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i am so happy to get to be here this is the thrill of a lifetime, really. and alaska being so different from los angeles. here, when people have a frozen look on their face, i find out it's botox. it's so beautiful here, though. so warm and beautiful. back home, it was freezing. it was 5 degrees below congress' approval rating. shaun white on the show. what an amazing athlete. i watched him do a double mctwist 1260, and the only other people to do a double mctwist 1260 was last week, the white house, on health care. >> what about that sarah palin? she's not ready to be president, is she? >> she's terrific. she really is. she has passion, energy. be careful what you say about her. >> i've had my -- >> no, really. >> i've had my -- >> she has -- she has a rifle,
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you know. >> all right. very good. welcome to "morning joe." top of the hour and we have mitt romney on the show today. that should be good. as well as mort zuckerman is going to talk about his plans not to run. good morning, everyone. i'm mika brzezinski. along with mike barnicle and nicolle wallace. we have a lot going on. senator bunting. >> senator bunting. but before senator bunting, can i ask the both of you, especially you, nicolle. is she not a born performer? sarah palin? >> she's a hoot. >> she is a born performer. >> she's a hoot. >> she likes to have a good time. happy to make fun of herself. she's a born performer. i won't argue with that. >> that's her magnetism.
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the ability to stand there and lob some funnies out there. i don't think anyone questioned that ability. >> there is still part of this that's amazing. the mayor of wasilla, alaska. and there she is, running for vice president, doing standup. no nerves whatsoever. >> we'll talk more about that. we'll show more clips of sarah palin on jay leno, of course, back at 11:35. senator bunting did back down. we'll talk about that as well. we have a full story on that. and charlie rangel, i think he is now going to take a little time off. >> about time. >> to reflect. >> maybe to reflect. do you think if it were a republican it would have taken this long? >> republicans made these mistakes in '05 and '06, republicans made these sorts of
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lapses in acknowledging the perception that was being created and they paid the price. >> a lot going on. let's begin with our top story. senator bunting, billions of federal funding is set to flow back into federal programs this morning after senator jim bunting ended his one-man blockade of a spending bail on capitol hill. brian mooar reports that the kentucky republican may have relented, but not without a serious fight. >> we cannot keep adding the debt and keep passing the buck. >> reporter: under immense pressure from both parties, senator jim bunting dropped his one-man roadblock of a $10 million spending bill. >> the ayes are 78. >> reporter: the bill passed, but not before he made a point. >> we must get our debt under
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contr control. >> reporter: his blockade threatened to leave 400,000 without unemployment insurance and cast to leave republicans in an unsympathetic fight in a fight they didn't pick. bunting demanded that they find a way to pay for it before it passed. >> the senator from kentucky has decided after one week to accept exactly what was offered him last week. >> reporter: a senate showdown with consequences felt far beyond capitol hill. brian mooar, nbc news, washington. >> all right. well, there we go with that. i think people are frustrated that one man can do that. it is part of the process in washington. but it is getting tiring to watch the process, so stymied by -- whatever. >> people sitting up there, getting ready to go to work, no matter where you work, whether it's a public school, a
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mcdonald's, insurance office, a car dealership, the idea that one employee where you work could bring everything to a dead halt is unheard of. but yet they watch the news and see one cranky old guy, hall of famer jim bunting from kentucky, and they say how does this happen? >> i think people -- and people are confounded by just that. how this one guy has so much disregard for his colleagues and all of us. >> speaking of one guy, sources tell nbc news that new york congressman charlie rang level take a leave of absence of chair of the powerful ways and means committee. after the democrat was admonished by an ethics panel after going on a caribbean trip that was sponsored by corporations. he will step down temporarily. but rangel remains definality
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a and says he has no plans to step down. i was checking the papers, and did governor paterson step down? >> not yet. >> does he stay in this job? >> maybe until 8:00. >> an amazing story, is it not? >> at some point he has to resign, no? i don't mean to sound naive. one step. i thought that would be in the paper today. i guess it's just baby steps. >> governor paterson said yesterday afternoon in a brief encounter with the media that he was not going to resign. >> but that's what you say until four seconds before you do. so -- >> yep, yep, yep. >> it's early. >> this is a bad one. i don't know how you -- i don't know how you lead after a situation like this. i'll fully read the article in a minute. real estate and media tycoon
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mort zuckerman, a morning joe regular, will not run for u.s. senate seat in new york. he laid out his decision in this morning's "daily news," which he happens to own and publish. zuckerman writes, i believe that there is a great deal that needs to be achieved in washington, not only on behalf of the people of new york, but in trying to break some of the paralyzing deadlock that has gripped the political decision making process. it demands unhinders attention, which i'm unable to give at this time. now, that decision comes just a day after har alleged ford jr. stock h took his name out of the running on the democratic side. he said his decision had nothing to do with zuckerman's deep pockets. >> money wasn't an issue. >> it wasn't zuckerman. >> mort is a billionaire. i wish we could all be billionaires. that would have been part of my platform. >> everybody is a billionaire. >> you know, first of all it
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will be interesting to talk to mort this morning. he'll be on the show, what hour, pete? he's coming up in the next hour. and harold sounded great yesterday. like free. >> like a free man. >> i'm really impressed with him. i was really enjoying the "morning joe" primary, and i feel like i should come on and announce. >> perhaps you should. anything you would like to announce this morning, nicolle? >> it's early. >> i have breaking news for you, nicolle, mika, and the boys and girls at home. >> yeah. >> willie geist, after thinking about it, is not going to run. so he'll be back tomorrow. >> who does that lead? >> that would have been a good race, harold ford jr. don't you think? it's the money, the fund-raising that's the killer? >> harold has a point.
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mort and harold would have equalled out on the money side and it would have been a nonissue. money is only an issue when there is a disparity. they would have run equally. i think having more people in makes it more interesting, more interesting to watch. i'm curious afterward why everyone is stepping away and turning it down. is this cycle so daunting? is the climate so hostile right now? >> that's a very good question. >> people have personal issues. i'm sure mort and harold have personal reasons. is the climate so daunting that if you look at everyone across the country that looked at it and decided no, why? >> well, i think there is a little bit of disgust in those who go to washington in these positions, democrat or republicans, and there's a sense of what can i exactly get done? >> right. >> look at it right now. you want to join that group of goofs? seriously. >> you will be tainted by the
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brush of washington. who is free of it? scott brown is about it right now. >> about it. >> and before you get there, again, you would know far better than we would, don't you think part of the is -- the fund raising thing is part of it. but part of the -- when you really think about it, do you really want to sit there and envision the personal abuse that would be heaped upon you in the media. >> right. >> for six, seven, eight months as you run towards november. i mean -- >> but you look then at paterson and rangel, and why weren't they abused more? why did they get away with the things they've done in office? >> we've been asking for two years. >> i've asked a lot of those questions. >> and you've been a news person. >> i've been an abuser and i've been abused. and you look at these guys in office and the wild abuses. so maybe it's just right if we've got some people getting away with these kinds of things
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and some people saying the heat's too much. >> so let me ask you this. who on the republican side in new york are we left with? dan seymour? >> i don't know. >> pataki, does he jump in? >> i don't know. who can catapult what they next do with it. kristen gillibrand seems to be it. >> girl power, scaring off the guys. and we have another story that might surprise some. texas governor rick perry gearing up for the general election after cruising to an unprecedented third gop nomination. perry crushed senator kay bailey hutchison in the republican primary for governor by more than 20 points. the senator was considered a strong opponent. positivelister y st pollsters say she was unable to
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curb the anti washington sentiment. >> we must unite. we love texas. i had always do everything i can in whatever capacity to protect texas. our values, our principles, and the greatness and the uniqueness that we are. thank you, all, from the bottom of my heart. thank you. >> all right. perry will face former houston mayor bill white in november's mid-term elections. that's quite interesting. also, in his upcoming memoir, former bush adviser karl rove is -- let me just find it here. because pete is playing tricks on me. doesn't want to help me out here. he's defending the previous administration's decision to invade iraq. still, the republican strategist admits the failure to find wmds badly damaged the administration's credibility. yeah, it did that.
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rove defends the bush administration to hurricane katrina and blames state and local officials for the troubled recover efforts. and a federal investigation under way after an air traffic controller apparently -- >> this is great. this is great. this is an unbelievable story. >> i know. i'm not going to say what i think, because i think i'm going to get killed on this. but apparently allowed a child to give directions to pilots. just listen. just listen. the kennedy employee brought his school-aged kid into the tower, where he made a series of transmissions to departing passenger planes. this recording was obtained by live take a listen. >> jetblue 171, clear for takeoff. >> clear for takeoff, jetblue 171. >> this is what you get guys when the kids are out of school. >> good i didn't bring my kid to
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work. >> departure, jetblue 171, awesome job. >> 0-3 clear for takeoff. air mention 403, contact departure. adios. >> contact departure, air mexico. >> contact departure, adios amigos. >> that's what happens on a snow day. >> at some point, can air travel get worse? like, is he going to screw it up? >> no. i think he was doing a very good job, don't you? g giving very clear directions. pilots laughing. thought it was cute. but the faa didn't think it was too cute. both the controller and supervisor have been suspended as the investigation continues. i have a feeling they will be in really big trouble and they didn't use the best judgment. but i don't know. i'm just going to be quiet,
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because clearly that was wrong. ready to rumble, today, president obama lays his final plan out on health care. will republicans bite. plus, the capitol curse. why republicans might want to cut ties with washington. signs of a growing trend, next, in "the politico playbook." and "the tonight show" with sarah palin, she explains the notes on her hand and gives standup comedy a try. but first todd santos with the forecast. >> we may have something that could cause a few isolated airline delays. light snow at central park right now. temperatures, 34 degrees. we'll see this on and off throughout the day. light rain, light snow, boston, providence, light snow, d.c. reporting light rain. a closer-in look at the radar. a little bit of a mess. we'll measure the snow that does fall, likely in tenths of an
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inch. from d.c. to new york. temperatures really kind of borderline, mid to upper 30s across the area. and the rest of the east coast, clearing up through florida, where yesterday we had the thunderstorms and just over an inch of snow in atlanta. today, 46, and much of the southeast is warming up. there is a look at what you can expect as you head out the door at this hour. certainly cool numbers, especially back toward the great lakes. we'll be back with more. but for now, you're watching "morning joe," brewed by starbucks. national car rental? that's my choice. because with national, i roll past the counter... and choose any car in the aisle. choosing your own car? now that's a good call. go national. go like a pro.
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that's a real picture of him at his dominican villa. everyone can fall asleep at their controversial dominican
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villa, but it takes a real pro to do it this amusingly. i always keep a dish of warm water by my desk. i just want to -- it worked! it worked! i can't believe it worked! oh, my god! >> that's awful. i didn't like that. >> i love -- what a picture. >> it's funny. >> no! it's terrible. >> it's like those celebrities in the paper out of swim suit shape. and let's take a look at the papers. charlie crist gives his final state of the state speech. he says extreme views rarely solve problems and frequently create them. he also said he had no regrets for accepting florida's share of federal stimulus money from the obama administration. >> "heart for the courant" the
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first republican debate for the senate on tuesday night. >> "the wall street journal" rangel loses support in house. dozens say they would support a republican resolution asking him to step down as the ways and means committee. "the seattle times" washington state added 12,000 new jobs in their payroll in january. it's the biggest one-month gain in three years. executive editor of politico, jim vandehei. the president is laying out his final plan for health care today. which apparently includes ideas for the where he public i had cans. are they going to respond? >> they are going to respond with an emphatic no. no way they will back the bill. the president is authentically taking days they raised at the
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summit, allowing people on the exchange to use health savings account. adding that into the larger bill and republicans are saying those ideas, while they are attractive on their own, aren't enough to entice us to vote for a much, much bigger bill that comes in at $1 trillion. the president will day down the marker, build the face that he is bipartisan, and they will try to jam through the bill under reconciliation in the senate. it's not clear they have the votes to do it in the house or senate. and senate republicans are making a preemptive hit at the parliamentarian. he's essentially the refuse re. they are saying that person cannot be trusted. >> let's talk about what's going on in texas. we were talking about anti-washington sentiment. it might have played out there a bit. rick perry crushing kay bailey
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hutchison. break down the race for us. >> this was a luge huge defeat the senator. she thought months ago she could win this race. she was well known in texas. it turns out she was well known and people don't want anything to do with anything attached to washington this is another wakeup call for all incumbents. you want bipartisanship. there is a bipartisan move to get rid of republicans and democrats from washington. >> there's a divide too, jim, about incumbents. they don't like incumbents from washington. but you look at 2008, the most unreported story as far as the death of the republican party is the fact that every single republican governor that sought re-election in 2008 won. >> right. >> again, and this happened again in the early '90s, where a lot of the energy, ideas, tend to come from governors. they have these little
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incubators where they can test new ideas. have more control often over their state and have a solid public identity in their state to work from. a lot of power for republicans outside of washington and the same is true for some democratic governors. but i think this race, again, just underscores if you are an incumbent in the house or senate, you need to be nervous. and we talk are democrats going to lose control? i don't think it's democrats that have to be worried about their seats when you talk to tea party activists, they are just as angry with republicans as democrats. they think both parties come to washington, get corrupt by the process, spend way too much money and do too little to change government. >> speaking of tea parties, eric eriksson said this was a huge victory for the tea party movement yesterday. this is after all, a governor, who urged or at least considered -- i'm sorry.
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i can't say it with a straight face. continu continu continued succeeding. i don't want to say this out loud. a lot of people outside of rick perry's orbit think that it's a stupid thing to do. >> they might think he's crazy. >> ask how does that happen in 2012? >> jim, how does that happen? >> on the tea party front, di d not think this necessary validates the theory that tea partyiers had a big day in texas. there was a tea party candidate that did not do tremendously well. >> yeah, but she started receiving -- hold on, you can't really count on her. the last part of the campaign, she admitted instead of reading the teleprompter, she was getting her signals from the
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fillings back here. i mean, she was just out there. >> but put that race aside. look at the down ballot races and jonathan martin looked at this piece today where tea parties were activist, they didn't have as much of an impact as people thought they would. you still have to sort through the results, but i don't think you can assume that just because rick perry did this well that it is because of the tea partyiers. i think it's people's disgust with washington. >> do you think we are going to have 49 states? >> got to have 50. >> barnicle, frthere are a coup of states i would like to see secede from the union. >> not texas. >> they are doing very well mechanicall
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economically. >> texas is south of manhattan. texas' economy is kicking it. >> there you go. and look who we have ahead, joe. former presidential candidate mitt romney will be here on the set. also, mort zuckerman joins us to explain his decision not to run for senate. and we'll show you one good reason you should never attempt a trampoline slam dunk, at least not in front of other people. you'll see why, right here on "morning joe," brewed by starbucks. >> on friday here in l.a., lakers hosted the philadelphia 76ers, watch kobe bryant foul here. >> 6:35 left in the game. iguodala, got the contact and gets the free throws. kobe wondering about the foul. you be the judge. >> left hand, that's a foul. >> that's a foul. he shoved the shooter in the air. >> right there. >> you should get a bunch of foul shots for that.
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death toll from saturday's massive earthquake is approaching 800. emergency aid is beginning flow into the disaster zone where an estimated 2 million people are affected. the strength of the magnitude 8.8 quake which caused the ground to shift six feet in some places. in her brief stop in santiago yesterday, secretary of state clinton met with chile's president offering the first installment of more american aid to come. and governor david paterson, back on the front pages "the new york times" this morning, but still in office. weird. okay. the paper digs deeper into what role the democrat played in a domestic abuse scandal involving a top aide. paterson admits he spoke with the aides's accuser the day she was due in court to press her case. a state worker was directed by paterson to contact that woman and convey a message that the governor wants her to "make this go away." >> i don't know how "the new
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york times," "the new york post," and "the new york daily news" doesn't editorialize that this man should leave office at once. and if he doesn't leave office, i don't know how the state legislature doesn't impeach him. he has used state troopers to intimidate a woman who was beaten to a pulp by one of his aides. state troopers. and then he used two officials in his office to go there and try to intimidate her, to try and make it go away. they -- they told her to lie, and then paterson calls her the day before she's going in for the domestic abuse hearing and she doesn't show up. this woman was intimidated, and you know what? this ain't the 1930s. seriously, this stuff doesn't go away. he -- >> you know, when they -- >> he needs to leave office, and every newspaper needs to start
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saying that every day. >> when this was coming out and it was supposed to be some piece on having affairs or whatever and there was this talk that "the new york times" had this article, everybody was sort of like, do we need another one? like the mccain one? this is different. >> this is worse. >> this is different. this is abuse of power. kind of some of the similar problems the state had with the previous governor. >> oh, not even the same. >> thank you, eliot spitzer, for david patterson. >> not even the same. she's wearing me out. >> there are problems, and both cases, abuse of power. >> mike, it time for him to leave? >> yes, it is. but do we have any cool segue to sports? >> no. just take it. >> seay us. just take it. we're getting into a big fight. >> bottom of the ninth for governor paterson. >> there we go! >> we do have a segue. >> what's that? >> tiger woods.
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he returned to his home in orlando on saturday, after a week of family counseling. something that governor paterson is undergoing right now. sources close to woods say he has resumed a golf and fitness routine. no timetable for his return yet. in hockey, there's tiger right there, boom. okay. this is great. in hockey, canadian hero sidney crosby returned to a fairly warm greeting to home fans in pittsburgh. but there was one other guy yesterday who got even louder cheers. listen to this. >> tournament mvp, ryan miller! >> all right. team usa mvp and buffalo sabers goalie ryan miller. ryan was given the night off, but a well-deserved ovation nonetheless.
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unbelievable goalie. in basketball, the 6-53 new jersey nets, on pace to become the worst team in nba history, have a new promotion. attend the game this friday, and they will file your taxes for free! >> come on. >> attend the game on sunday, they'll give you free open heart surgery. i'm not sure why hearing the nets and taxes would sound appealing to fans, but there you go. and, finally, during a time-out on monday's portland/memphis game, a fan tried his best michael jordan impersonation and ended up smashing his head. >> oh! >> that hurts! >> oh! >> dude! no! duck! >> oh! >> don't show it again. what's wrong with people? i don't want to see this. >> a little message from boys and girls. >> oh. >> we didn't want to show the real closeup. now you know why willie geist
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hasn't been in the past few days. that's willie, drunk, trying to slam dunk. >> is he okay? >> paterson resigns. >> it's funny. >> it's not funny. >> what is wrong with men? >> what's wrong with you. >> smashing their faces, i think that's ridiculous. >> you don't find that funny? >> there was some stupidity involved. >> last friday night, joe and i had a head bunting contest. >> only on fridays so you're better by monday, right? >> something -- >> seriously. >> we have to shape up. >> i know. >> he see him. >> coming up next, the president of the council on foreign relations, richard haass. we'll stop laughing, because when he says -- >> we'll give him a head butt. >> richard haass.
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how about that amazing closing ceremony? it was beautiful. the minute i saw the giant moose, i remember i hadn't cooked anything for the kids' dinner. the truth is, i am glad i'm not vice president. because i would not know what to do with all that free time. jay, thank you so much for inviting me. i saw wherist been a few weeks of unfair, nonstop criticism. people who don't know the real story, and, jay, welcome to my world. >> all right. sarah palin. thank you, sarah. >> looked pretty good. all right. sarah palin on "leno," doing
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standup last night. 42 past the hour. welcome back to "morning joe." here with us now, richard haass, president of council on foreign relations. where do you want to start with must-reads? >> let's do paterson first. >> since we're talking about david paterson. >> you said "the times" should editorialize. they did strongly. >> it is no small thing to talk about a major public official like the governor resigning, especially when new york lost mr. paterson's predecessor to scandal. still, the current situation is intolerable. new york state has serious problems, including a deep fiscal crisis and dysfunctional and frequently corrupt legislature it needs a strong and untainted governor, whom new york citizens can trust. i think the trust has been officially broken. are we there yet? >> it is intolerable, isn't it? david paterson should step down.
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>> however painful paying taxes normally, it is like on steroids. the system is broken. what we're seeing in texas and more broadly if people with responsibility will act irresponsibly, people will turn to pop lymulism or worse. >> that's how a governor talks about seceding from the union and gets 50% of the votes. it is an intolerable situation in new york. >> it is embarrassing, and i think that to -- to see something like this happen and for his colleagues to notarize up and demand that he resign for the health of the party, for the health of the state. women's groups not to make a louder statement it is mind boggling that new york, which leads the way in so many ways, is, you know -- our governor is
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this guy. >> are people just so used to this? >> i have a theory. i have long held a theory. 50 states in the union. only one state where people say new york and it means manhattan. it means new york. the capital, albany, very little media up there. the media concentration here in new york. albany, might as well have the capital in burlington, vermont. >> maybe why it's there. >> and they get away with just outrageous things. the money that you were talking about yesterday for the schools? with arne duncan that they don't get. >> they say no to $700 million. think they can get away with anything and i want to follow up with a point you made, nicolle. i am, every day i have been here off and on for five years. been working here for five years now. and every day i'm amazed by something new in new york. it is -- and i know you feel the same way. it is a remarkable city.
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it is, believe it or not, for those of you who don't spend a lot of time here it is one of the most convenient cities to live in. i mean, the subway system is remarkable. even with cuts, the transit is remarkable. everything about new york to me is remarkable. >> the snow disappears. >> the snow disappears. >> the mayor does a good job. >> bloomberg, my god. >> amazing. >> the plows, going by every 10, 15 minutes. that's what i don't understand. this city has gotten it right with a couple of mayors. ungovernable city. lindsey was dead wrong. but i never understood why they have such jack asses and clowns nuptial banny. richard haass, the disconnect is stunning this is the world-class city, this is the world-class state. i lived in upstate new york. it's a great place. why do they keep electing clowns to albany? >> in part the city is doing so
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well because it has a degree of what we used to call home rule. can i say one thing about new york? this is the next shoe to drop in this country. we've so focused on the economic crisis. you look at new york, california. states can't print money. we have a real crisis coming down. the next phase, when a lot of states can't function. they get bailed out at the federal level or you know what. this is the major next step of the crisis. >> wow. going under. >> a downer. >> that's why i'm here. >> let's read from "newsweek." richard haass' article "the weakest link." in the 21st century, the principal threat to the global order will not be a push for dominance by any great power. instead, the central power will deposed by weak states, afghanistan, pakistan, yemen, somalia, haiti, mexico, congo, and others. buttressing post-saddam iraq
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cost a great deal, and much should be gleaned from this experience, but we should be careful not to leash the wrong lesson and rule out helping weak states. shoring them up may not be cheap, but it is less expensive than the al ternives of occupying them or ignoring them. an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure. >> richard, how do we draw back? we are so spread out across the globe, and it's not being an isolation ist to say we can't be the world's 911 anymore. >> exactly. it has to be a choice of doing what we did in iraq and afghanistan, going in whole hog and being ani isolationist. life takes place in between. what we can't do is force ourselves to do everything or nothing. the kinds of things we're doing in places like yemen now may be more of a model. we do a little bit. we do a little bit of training.
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shoot in drones when necessary. we don't go in like an old-fashioned imperial power. >> there are two sides to this also. everybody focuses on the bush years and how we went in with military force and tried to reshape the country, rebuild the country. in the 1990s, the clintons did it themselves. they would go into countries and decide they would rebuild. and that -- that famous debate between colin powell who said we won't send our troops in, and madeline albright who said we should always go in. powell is always to stay out. could it be after 16 years of this we could be pulling back to colin powell's position? >> we are certainly pulling back a bit, given how economically stretched we are. there is something else to be done other than staying out completely. we have to find ways to intervene on behalf of interests that are not vital but still matter. there has to be a gray area in american foreign policy and in
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the public policy debate. >> the days of the united states rebuilding civilization's over. done. >> we have to get more moderate. >> i have to ask really quickly, the cover of "newsweek," stirring up a lot of trouble. victory at last in iraq. >> too positive. >> it is too positive? >> for sure. we will take months to see a new government formed. we don't know how it will operate. too soon to take out the champagne. >> the point was to create a democracy and a lot of people feel like that mission was accomplished. >> premature. >> reemergence of the democratic iraq. that debate goes on. >> premature. >> it is fragile, but a lot of people who spent time five years ago do think it as a fragile democracy. >> but not one where we won't be there operating in five years. >> controversy. >> and he's kicking meacham's magazine around.
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>> that's what it's about. i'll stand with richard. all right. in a few minutes, a big shakeup. mort zuckerman will be here on "morning joe" to explain why he is not running. up next, perhaps an ironic choice for a lecture on ethics. we're going to show you where students gathered to hear words of wisdom offered by blaggo. we'll be right back. ♪ ♪ ♪ [ male announcer ] the cadillac cts sports sedan. one of car and driver's 10 best for the third year in a row. ♪
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well, call him professor blago. i can't. i can't. >> with great hair. >> okay. last night at northwestern university -- that's like a journalism school. former governor rod blagojevich, hot rod, was featured at a special meeting on ethic in politics. as marion brooks reports, he did not disappoint. >> the former governor of illinois, rod blagojevich. >> reporter: ironic, audacious, compelling, awkward, amazing it all fits when you have rod blagojevich talking ethics.
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tonight, he said a lot of what he always says. >> i am innocent of all charges. >> reporter: northwestern's college democrats invited blagojevich about six weeks ago, and though here he may not have expected all he got. >> how do you explain to the students here your association with so many people in the end were corrupt? >> that's a valid question. that's a fair question. but it's not a lot of people. it's not a lot of people. you mentioned tony resco. i misread him, but so did president obama. >> reporter: the students were hard on him. repeatedly challenging him. >> multiple cash payments made to your wife in return for -- >> that is not true, that is not an allegation. i'm not supposed to talk about the case, but -- >> reporter: he diverted many questions to his innocence talking points. he may not have won much support. >> he said he was innocent many
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times. been on the news for the last several months, saying he's innocent repeatedly. i think saying that tonight again doesn't help him. >> reporter: blagojevich was paid for his appearance tonight, but the college democrats won't say how much. whether this publicity is worth that paycheck will likely be determined at his trial this summer. marion brooks, nbc 5 news. >> my alma mater. >> i got rejected from there. >> i only got in for grad school and am still paying for it. don't be sad. and coming up, mort zuckerman with his reasons for not running for senate. mort! client's come in, they're anxious. scared. they don't know where to begin. so we start to talk about what have they done and what are their goals. and then we plan.
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we could have raised a lot of money. money wasn't an issue. mort will spend his own money. mort is a billionaire. i wish we were all billionaires. in fact, that would have been my platform. we all should be billionaires. >> that is a good platform. i like that. we have copublisher of "the new york daily news." mort zuckerman. >> the billionaire in anything. i don't care. the billionaire in a pig pen. the billionaire. that has a nice ring to it. >> must be nice. also with us again, editor in
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chief of, joan walsh back on the set. good to have you back. >> the mighty have fallen. "morning joe," do we have a helpful chart at home? here we have harold ford jr., okay? and then you, mort zuckerman. why? why? mort, why? >> let me just say it was very, very tempting, even exhilarating to think about the possibility of running for the senate, never mind serving to the senate. when it gets down to it, you have to make tough choices. i have two young children whom i adore and the absence from their lives would have meant a great deal to me and i hope to them. i have a business that i started 41 years ago with a wonderful partner, and the last -- he passed away about seven weeks ago and if the two of us left at the same time, it really would have been kind of difficult for all the other folks who have
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worked with us for so many years on this wonderful enterprise. and finally, i have a lot of other public service activities. it wouldn't have been frankly anything like the thrill of being in the senate. particularly -- i mean, i would have run as an independent and this was a moment where independents really had a very good chance to win. >> but these reasons that you're putting on the table, extremely legitimate, but all were existing before you were contemplating joining the race. >> yes. >> so what -- what made you decide not to do it? >> well, the way this whole thing happened wasn't exactly that i had this plan that i was going to run for the senate. several people came to me and talked to me about it. not the first time that people asked me to run for office for years. and i have an unblemished record in response. but in this particular case, what happened was it got into a newspaper. and some people came to me, talked to me about it, and i said you really got to think about it. and i said, all right, i'll
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think about it. and the next thing i know, zuckerman mulling running for office. i'll tell you what did happen and what really did affect me. i never had this in any way like this in my life. there is such an anxiety and discomfort with the quality of people in public office and the disappointment with public office. i've been inundated with telephone calls and e-mails with people i haven't spoken to for ten years, we'll work for your campaign, raise money for your campaign there is a desire for somebody out of political system to go in and somehow or other act -- i'll take this as a compliment, like a grownup. there is a sense that politicians and politics have gone so far from what is necessary policy there, say real hunger. you saw it in texas now. the incumbents are not highly regarded and for good reason. they really have failed so dramatically in terms of addressing our problems. >> mika and i went to an
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unveiling in the state department of colin powell. i saw hillary clinton stands up and talk and introduce colin powell and i said, gosh, grownups. i don't want to sound like an old man here. i remember when. you don't have to go that far back, whether republican or democrat, to find a dozen or so senators in the senate at any time that you have great respect for. it's not the case. >> it's really true. it really has changed. there is a clamor for people outside the system to come in i'm not sure how much good they can do. you do caucus with one party or the other there is so little common ground, so little attempt at making common ground. >> i thought about that. i had a slightly different view of it in this sense. there are a couple of issues in which i feel very strongly. for example, just sort of how to get our economy in some kind of decent shape. an area i feel i have some
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background in. i don't think you have to persuade 30 people. you have to persuade 4 or 5 people. that can shift the balance in the senate and if you speak out and frankly speak out publicly on these issues with some kind of persuasive rationality, you can make a difference. that's what meant a lot to me, the possibility of really making a difference although a time when the country is really in trouble. the country is driving into a ditch at this stage of the game. >> i don't want to sound oversimplistic, but i think you really put your finger on it. i thought, what if mort runs, he's an independent. the first thing, who are you going to caucus with? some independent is going to have to figure out a way to go up to washington and say i'm not going to caucus with anybody. >> bernie sanders and joe liberman. >> they both caucus with the democratic party. these party affiliations breed
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such stupidity on the hill. where you have to blindly fall behind like, for instance, charlie rangel, you can't say something obvious. okay, that guy shouldn't be there anymore, because you're a member of the democratic team if you're a member of the republican team, you can't say obvious things about -- i don't know, mark foley or delay or -- >> it's a little bit easier with scandal. what's happening now that concerns me and you guys may disagree with me, i think it is harder -- the republican party made a decision not to help obama in any way, shape, or form there are a couple of instances where they literally back away from things they support. i don't know where you pick up your two or three wise men or women who would come. -- >> you may be right. i feel uncomfortable about trying that. i think one of the reasons why
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president obama's support has dropped so precipitously, he comes across as a politician rather than a leader. that is something he had coming into office. this whole year, frankly, has really diminished that dimension. and that's critical to his ability to lead this country. >> mort, a couple of stories play into this conversation. let's get a look at some of our top stories. starting with the senator bunting backing down. billions of dollars in federal funding is set to flow back into federal programs after senator jim bunning ended his one-man blockade. he was calling for spending cuts elsewhere to funding for highway projects and unemployment benefits. after a fiery showdown, he relented, but not without a fight. >> we want a country that don't owe everybody in the world for our existence.
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i don't -- and the question i've been asked mostly is why now? well, why not now? >> during this one-week period of time, while the senator from kentucky, could have offered an amendment, he didn't. and as a result, on sunday night, unemployment benefits were cut off for thousands of people across america. he knows and i know that if we don't pass this bill, as it passed the house of representatives, if we make a change in it,destined to send it to the house to wait for several days or even longer for a conference committee to resolve his amendment. >> you know, if he had -- and i think if jim had taken out the part -- the unemployment benefits part and just said, okay, we're going to -- the road projects and all these other things and stood up there, he would have actually gotten his message across, which is a good,
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compelling message, that i wish republicans would have gotten across eight years ago. we can't keep spending money. no pay-go, no nothing. nicolle, i think it was a good idea. i think he picked a horrific provision, the unemployment benefits to take a stand. >> i watched this, and it makes me think of people who light matches and through them in a house and say why is the house on fire? people hate politicians, because they always seem to be resorting to stunts. what i kept thinki ining when y were talking about your decision not to run, obama came in and promised an end to childish things. that resonated with every man, woman, republican. >> everyone was rooting for him. >> everyone was rooting for an end to childish things. it's so depressing that all they
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can do is resort to tactics that seem so childish. >> i agree with that. he is tying into a major issue, which is the unbelievable amount of deficit spending. >> of course he is. >> he said he was going to end politics as usual, right? if you see what happened to the health care bill, it has been politics as usual. he didn't make it better, he made it worse. this diminishes the whole level of confidence. >> it diminished obama. he was diminished out of the gate with the stimulus bill. the most petty and childish that washington can be. ramming through a partisan, political bill. and that set the tone. he paid the price. could you say republicans decided to object. the american people reject. they represent people. >> the stimulus -- the american people -- he put tax cuts and the stimulus, which many democrats didn't want to see,
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liberal economists didn't want to see, did he come on mize on the stimulus. a decision was made to be the party of no. boehner announced i oppose this bill. >> joan, at the same time, and i always bring this up for some reason. i -- we talked about this all the time and i don't think the press ever really picks this up. barack obama actually put together a bipartisan stimulus plan, and he sent summers and axelrod up to the hill to sell it up on the hill and it was a bipartisan stimulus bill. six, seven, eight, republican senators said that's pretty good. and i remember reading outlines, saying, hey, this is pretty good. maybe this guy is going to be different. and then -- and then they went into the caucus and the democrats on the hill said no. we're not going to be bipartisan, we're going to write this bill. we're in charge. >> because we won. >> because we won and then larry summers and axelrod marched out and they said message received,
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and nancy pelosi is going to write the bill and opie. >> what should have been in the bill? >> it was a total -- it was a conglomeration of pork barrel projects. it's just like the -- >> no, what was in the bill that republicans would have signed on to? what did they toss from the bill that was appealing to republicans? >> it's more what they added on. it tripled in size. what the general public perceived to have happened is obama chose partisanship. and people believed that this was generational -- >> let me say this too. this was a huge time for democrats to rise to the occasion. >> be different. >> september 11th. of course, look at the bill republicans drew up on capitol hill in response to september 11th, remember, we're going to
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put a bill together that will keep america safe and they are like off-ramps to nowhere in the middle of cornfields. this is a bigger problem with washington, d.c. so i'm not saying that this democratic congress has been more corrupt than the republicans. >> i think the big problem, they are very similar. we are stuck in the middle of nowhere. >> it's the nature of the congress, that the congress people generally react to local, political issues and their own political survival, rather than the national interests. and i don't know how you change that. >> you could have -- >> speaking of politics as usual -- >> believe me, i would have tried. i would not have been a conventional senator if i had been elected. >> if you'll let mika borrow a million dollars, maybe she can run. >> it's in the mail. a dollar a year from me. >> we were talking about how you know the subways. that's the first step. >> subway primary. >> i could use your money.
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i could -- >> get in line. >> figure it out. >> we need to talk about charlie rangel coming up as well. didn't get to that story. >> does charlie know his day is done? >> well, just as committee chairmanship so far right now. but i wonder. i wonder if people are going to actually speak out and be strong. coming up in a few minutes, former presidential candidate mitt romney joins us right here on the set of "morning joe." and we'll get this morning's headlines out of the white house. with savannah guthrie, live from the northern lawn. plus, was a child really directing air traffic at one of the nation's busiest airports? >> contact departure, adios. >> contact departure, aeromexico, adios. >> adios amigos. >> no, it's not take your child to work day. it's no joke. it's now a federal investigation. >> only in america. >> first todd santos, with a
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thank you, i am so happy to get to be here. this is the thrill of a lifetime. in alaska, it's so different from los angeles. here, when people have a frozen look on their face, i find out it's botox. it is so beautiful here, though. so warm, beautiful. back home, it was freezing. it was 5 degrees below congress' approval rating. shaun white on the show. what an amazing athlete. i watched him do a double mctwist 1260. the only other people to do a double mctwist 1260 was last week, the white house, on health care. >> oh, yeah. >> she's been beating -- >> joan, what do you think? sarah palin? >> she was magnificent. she really was. >> oh, my god. >> did you see her grit her teeth when she said that? >> i think she's going to be with jay every night. i think he needs her. it could be the end of the day
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equivalent of you guys. >> you want her to be the republican nominee in 2012. >> very much so. i'm sorry. >> all right. here with us now, nbc news white house correspondent and co-host of msnbc's "the daily rundown." >> do you think show can do it? >> do your standup routine, go. >> oh, i can't. stage fright. i can't perform on cue like that. >> what's happening at the white house today? i understand the president is putting in some pro-republican provisions to the health care bill. he's going to break out in washington. >> i don't think so. in fact, i think republicans have already responded pretty luke warmly to the president's ideas. but, look, i think that we're trying to, again, cleanse this process. give it the sheen of bipartisanship, because frankly what is being set up here and what the president will make clear, although not using it in so many words, democrats have to proceed on a democrats-only
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basis in the senate to get this finally done. the president's speech will lay out that path forward. as i say, not going to use the "r" word, reconciliation. >> why is he going to stay away from that? >> two ways to look at that. number one, could you say it's not a particularly accessible word to most folks outside of washington and that's the audience he cares about. number two, i think they have rebranded reconciliation. i said that a couple weeks ago on this show. what you'll hear, the formulation will be closer to health care deserves an up-or-down vote. the tone we'll hear from the president is very much to democrats and republicans, look this is do or die time. if we don't do it now, health care is not going to get done. this is the last gasp. >> and the white house has to know, mort zucker man, this is such a gamble. they are using reconciliation that has 35%, 40% of approval
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from the american people. >> it's not liked by people. very complicated, very difficult. nobody feels this will resolve our problems. this has become sort of an issue for the democrats. they fought so hard for this. so much invested in it. they want to get something done. i can understand that. i think the whole issue of this government should be focused on the economy. this is where the country is concerned. where the country is focused. it's jobs, jobs, jobs. the country still in very weak shape. this is going to be an immense political diversion, as well as other things. i think we do need health care reform, but this is the wrong time for it. >> savannah, the white house understand what mort is saying, all about the economy at this point. they just want to bury this issue once and for all, don't they? get it off the table. >> they do. and they want to have something to show for it. like after the massachusetts election, i think there was a real moment of reflection inside this white house about what do we do? do we let it just fizzle out,
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peter out, do something much, much smaller, or do we double down and decide let's get this through? the calculation was made, and the president came forward with his own proposal. that was as much to get democrats off the dime than for republicans, because there was this stalemate between the house and senate as to who would go first. there is so much stress between the house and senate right now historically and right at this moment. these democrats, a large degree of them, have already voted for health care, so the calculus is we might as well have something to show for it, because we'll have to answer for it when elections come around in november anyway. >> you know, quick question, savannah, and we'll take it to the table. i'm wondering if the white house and if the president would weigh in on this. we have cases of -- simmering cases of serious corruption brewing here in new york. charlie rangel. as well as david paterson on the front page of "the new york
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times" in a case of corruption that goes beyond the pale, that has a lot of people, including major newspapers, thinking maybe he should -- and hoping he resigns. will the president weigh in on either of these? and shouldn't somebody? >> well, i doubt very much he will. certainly the posture of this white house has been to say that's kind of a matter for the congress in the case of rangel, a matter of new york state politics in the case of paterson. however, they recognize that this is not helping their cause. and to the extent that voters are already infuriated at washington and the texas election yesterday is just evidence of that, as though we needed it, the corruption just adds to the problem. so i think it's very interesting what's happening on the hill with rangel. he seems defiant, and yet losing democrats and recognizing that if there was a vote that the republicans are trying to force on the house floor that democrats may not be able to stand with rangel, it's just evidence of the fact that folks are tired of corruption, and
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it's harder and harder for these guys to stand by rangel under this cloud. >> joan, should nancy pelosi step out and ask rangel to step down as chair until the ethics investigation is over? >> yes, she should. >> and why hefasn't she? >> she may. i don't believe the president should step in here. >> not even with patherson? >> especially with paterson. it's a stateme matter. let's not distract him and hang these semi-local, state issues, around his neck. he has to be presidential. >> let's talk really quickly about health care reform. you agreed with savannah and said something has got to be passed. got to have something to show for it. i wonder, though. this is such a miserable bill. in the end is passing is really -- we think about glen
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greenwald from he hates the bill, because he says the big winners are health insurance companies. >> there's a lot wrong with the bill, but i think they have to pass it at this point there are good things in the bill that will get done, down the road they can fix it, but they have to have something to show for this year, and the only way to move on is to pass the bill. >> it just makes me sad. she's anti-choice, just like melissa yesterday. >> i know. i thought they were on the front lines. >> don't you think women should have the right to do with their bodies what they want? harold ford calls this the most anti-choice bill in the history of america. are you anti-choice? >> i am pro-choice. i am, as you know, ardently pro-choice. there is a lot i don't know. >> is this where we are? you hate it, but you want your
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party to pass it? >> i don't hate it. i don't hate the bill. >> but you don't like it very much. >> the big winners are health insurance companies and it's anti-choice. there's no public option, despite the fact that 55% of americans -- >> stinky -- >> are you going to get on the bandwagon for public option? >> no. it's horrific. i don't think the federal government equals competition. i believe competition equals competition. >> we don't have competition right now. how do we restore competition? >> you force health insurance companies to actually xweet. they can't price fix and yes there are 1,300 health care companies. we get them competing across state lines. people say you can't do that? oh, really? give me the keys for two weeks and we'll have competition across state lines. this is what i never really got with the public option. have you these monopolies in states. maybe one or two health insurance companies. >> for a lot of places.
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>> democrats say we'll infuse competition and keep them honest. how are you going to do that? federal bureaucracy. >> it doesn't have to do a new bureaucra bureaucracy. there are other ways of doing it. >> i want health insurance companies to have to compete like everybody else. >> and they are going to. >> i don't want them to price fix. >> they are going to. they can cross state lines, but there will be a baseline of federal regulation to keep people protected. >> that say weak provision. you watch, and, by the way, again, they still have an anti-trust exemption, and now forcing every american to buy their product. they are -- by the way, a quick tip. buy health insurance. the stocks are going to go through the roof. thanks to democrats. >> there is that. >> on "the daily rundown," 9:00 eastern time. >> is savannah still here? >> i'm thanking her. thank you, savannah.
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>> and it's raining. >> savannah -- >> she does stand out. >> my mom taught me a long time ago, brevity is the soul of wit, okay? >> oh, she did. >> i wasn't listening that day. >> coming up -- thank you, savannah. >> you never got that. >> seriously. mom -- oh, there's governor mitt romney. stay with us. he's next. made an appearance on late-night tv as well. here on the set of "morning joe," in just a moment. and coming up on friday. tom and tom. tom hanks, tom brokaw, and tom friedman. all on "morning joe." you don't want to miss that. we'll be right back. let's hear it for saving on the good stuff.
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some places. in her brief stop in santiago yesterday, hillary clinton met with the chilean president, offering the first step of aid. satellite phones to get communicate up and running. rick perry cruising to an unprecedented third gop nomination. he crushed senator kay bailey hutchison by more than 20 points. the senator was considered a strong opponent, pollsters say she was unable to counter the current wave of anti-washington sentiment. perry will face former houston governor bill white in mid-term elections. and former bush adviser karl rove is defendanting the decision to invade iraq. he says the failure to find wmds badly damaged the administration's credibility. yeah. rove also defends the bush administration's response to hurricane careka trina and blam
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state and local officials for the problems. we want to thank joan walsh, and you brought your daughter, norra. are you the future? >> i guess so. >> future of tv news? >> she hosts the fordham nightly news. >> so clearly that means i'm the future of news. >> will you take me with you, nora? >> i will absolutely take you with her. >> thank you so much. coming up next, no apologies. former governor mitt romney when we come back. >> rather than apologizing for who we are or what we've accomplished, we'll celebrate our strength and goodness. america has been a force for good like no other in the world, and for that, we make no apology. ñ everything about you is unique.
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what about that sarah palin? she's not ready to be president, is she? >> she's terrific. she really is she's got energy, passion. by the way, be careful what you say about her, by the way. >> i have my -- >> no, she -- >> i've had my -- >> she has a rifle, you know. >> i know. >> be careful. >> very good. >> so david listened to you. >> absolutely. >> you got to be careful. you get in trouble. >> this is the first time governor romney has been in studio with us. >> isn't that weird?
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>> apparently i get to go riding with ann again. we worked it out. i'm sorry. >> poor ann. >> no, we'll be fine. i did a good job last time. mitt romney, author of a new book "no apology: the case for american greatness." th thank you for joining us in the studio right now. aren't we apologizing right now for washington? >> that's one reason to stop apologizi apologizing. look, if we don't get america on the right track, you'll find america declining over time and be passed by other nations. let's stop apologizing to ours for having lousy schools, for spending too much money, we have to stop apologizing to the world for supposed mistakes that we made relative to the extraordinary contributions we made, like america has nothing to be apologizing for to the
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entire world. >> you take the president to task for going around and apologizing for mistakes america has made in the past. first of all, haven't we made mistakes in the past? >> absolutely. >> and can't we be realistic? >> in the balance sheet of mistakes we've made and the extraordinary contributions we've made, think about it. our system of economic vitality, has helped lift billions out of poverty around the world. the sacrifice of fighting men and women has freed people around the world. we don't need to go around and talk about our mistakes and draw attention to them. the president said we were dismissive. that we were divisive. that america has been arrogant. he indicated that america doesn't pay attention to the concerns of others. even said we dictate to other nations. look, america doesn't dictate to other nations. america has freed other nations from dictators. let's not go around and apologize to everybody. let's instead talk about what's good about america and promote
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american values, free enterpr e enterprise. freedom, democracy, human rights. >> you said in the book, foreign policy strategies provided "kindling for the anti-american fires burning across the globe." that's tough rhetoric, isn't it? >> absolutely. i think it was terribly -- >> is he promoting anti-americanism. >> look, not on purpose, of course. he says if i draw closer to our enemies or the people who don't like us, and, thereby, establish distance with our friends that will make me more of a neutral arbiter. that's the wrong way to go. america has always been a very strong player, promoting the things we believe in. he goes to the united nations and gives an address there, and he chastises our best friend in the middle east, israel, for building settlements. that's the sort of thing have you in a private room, that kind of conversation. nothing about the palestinians launching 7,000 rockets from the gaza strip into israel. so this drawing closer to our
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enemies, and establishing distance with our friends has been very troubling and not made the world a safer place. >> mort zuckerman? >> i share some of your concerns. i do think there was a previous sense that the united states was acting with a level of arrogance rather than just compassion and understanding. i don't think there's any easy way of doing it. what he's talking about is engagement. any level in which you think engagement works? you have to at least talk with other people who don't agree with us before you sort of take a hard line with them. >> of course you talk to other people. i don't know if there has ever been a time when we haven't been willing to talk to other nations and express views and hear what our views are. in some cases, other nations like iran, you try and use the carrot of negotiations to encourage them to account. the president said during his presidential campaign, as you recall, that he was going to meet with ahmadinejad and chavez and kim jong-il, castro, all of these people in the first year.
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fortunately, he didn't follow through with that promise. doing that, and holding out an open hand when your opponent has a clenched fist isn'ted w ethe o get them to move. >> there is a danger in holding the arsonist in the same place as the firefighter. he is pulling back from that, isn't he? >> he is recognizing that the apology tour is not in the best interest of the united states. >> wait, wait, wait, governor. it's helped in iran. he's been engaging iran. look over the past year -- oh, wait a second. mike barnicle. my bad. >> let's say on the global stage. what do we do about china? they own us. what do we do? >> we have to stop using their credit card. every time we'd like to buy something, we can't say, china, will you please loan us $100 billion. enough is enough. we can't keep borrowing, borrowing, borrowing.
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we can't keep owing them for our children's future. that's number one. number two, they need access to our market. we have one thing they really need. they have 20 million people coming off the farms every year that need jobs. they will only get jobs if they have access to our market. we can say, look, guys, we have to work more collaboratively on issues like iran and we have to hold their feet to the fire, because china is the keystone in getting iran to act in a more responsible way. >> speaking of working more collaboratively, you and the late senator kennedy worked collaboratively in establishing a health plan in massachusetts that basically encompassed in a state-wide level universal coverage. do you believe in universal coverage? >> yeah. it doesn't make lots of sense to have millions and millions of people who don't have coverage, but who can go to the emergency room who can for free.
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let's take all of the money that we've been spending to pay for free care and use those same dollars to help people who can't afford it buy some portion of their insurance premium. the right way to go about this issue is on a bipartisan basis, we worked together, got everybody ensured, but there were big differences between what we did and what's going on in washington. what we did, we said, look, it has to be done on a bipartisan basis or we'll never change anything as big as health care. number two, it's best done state by state. getting everybody suinsured is very different to do in massachusetts than it is in texas. number three, we said we're not going to raise taxes. we have to do this within our current budget and finally, we're not going to cut medicare as a means to do it. all those things i think make the president's plan unacceptable to the american people. >> let me ask you, though. you say you're not going to cut
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medicare, and republicans have been critical of the proposed cuts in medicare. but you said off the top, we have to face our entitlement crisis. there is no greater crisis than the threat to medicare. will you admit right now to america that if medicare is going to exist after 2019, we're going to have to cut medicare? >> make tough choices. >> no question about that the way the president's health care plan works, he says we'll take $500 billion out of medicare advantage. wait a second. let's talk about a better approach than just slashing a portion of the program. >> isn't that a private program? if you had to go after medicare costs, wouldn't the private program be the way to go after medicare costs? >> the best way is to help perform our entire health care system by changing our incentive system. right now in health care, the individual consumer has virtually no stake in how much something costs, because the doctor, the hospital, they get -- >> that's a huge problem. >> that's the problem. >> the incentive in our system
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is an incentive for profit and not an incentive for wellness. >> changing that is the right way to change medicare. and unless we deal with the entitlement burden which is $60 trillion, unfunded liability, america's future could be very bleak for our grandkids. we're kicking it down the road. that's unacceptable. >> let's play word association. >> oh, word association. >> george w. bush. you are defending this guy at cpac. was he a great president? >> kept us safe. helped our schools take a major step forward. did he do everything perfectly? no. did he make a positive contribution to safety? took on the war on terror. >> doubled our national debt. >> i told you. >> talk about the credit card with china. he took out five more credit cards with china and maxed them all. >> sort of why we have this problem in washington today is both sides are guilty. >> both sides are guilty. look, republicans and democrats
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have been overspending for decades. president bush is one of them. but the levels of borrowing now are beyond anything we've seen before. >> sarah palin, qualified to be president? >> energetic, enthusiastic and qualified to be president. yes. >> he just said yes. mike huckabee, a true said yes. mike huckabee, is he a true conservative? >> sure. we don't agree on every issue, but of course he's a conservative. what do you think he's a liberal? >> one more. word association, your hair, is it real? >> let me tell you -- >> i'm so jealous! >> mike, i glued this on this morning, it ain't going to move. i assure you. >> governor romney, are you a contender for 2012? >> not yet, because i haven't decided what i'm going to do. >> your sure? >> why would i make a decision like that before i had a chance to talk to mort zuckerman. >> he's paying for breakfast. >> we'll let you both pay. governor romney, thank you so much. sy hi to ann.
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>> we'll also be talking on our radio show. >> oh, good. i don't know if he knows that. up next, child's play. what was this kid doing directing air traffic at one of the nation's busiest airports. that story is next on "morning joe." hey! increase in 6 months. pete, back it up! ( marker squeaking ) when business travel leaves you drained, re-charge with comfort suites. spacious rooms, free hi-speed internet,
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an investigation is under way at jfk airport in new york city. the faa want s to know why a child was allowed to direct flights from the control tower. as nbc's tom costello, a total of five transmissions were made from the corral tower at jfk by a kid and now federal investigators are trying to figure out how it was allowed to happen. here's tom. >> reporter: at new york city's jfk airport, air traffic controllers handle more than 1,000 flights every day. two weeks ago on february 17th, a new voice in the control tower. a child was directing the planes. jet blue 171, clear for takeoff. >> clear for takeoff. >> this is what you get, guys, when the kids are out of school. >> reporter: one of the air traffic controllers brought a
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child to work that day. the child can be learn directing two flights on tape from liveaa cnet. >> jet blue 171, contact departure. >> departure jet blue 171, awesome job. >> if the pilots were upset, they didn't let on. >> reporter: listen as the child handles a second flight. >> 0-3 clear for takeoff. >> 403, clear for takeoff. thank you very much. you have a great day. >> reporter: at one point, the child had a little fun with one of the pilots from aeromexico. >> air mex 403, contact departure. adios. >> adios, amigo. >> adios, amigo, over departure, jet blue 195. >> that's what happens on a snow day. >> careful before you close those schools. >> my gosh. all right, well, coming up next, with will charlie rangel keep his chairmanship.
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hey, welcome back to "morning joe." joe scarborough, mika brzezinski with you, and boy, what an all-star lineup this morning.
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mort zuckerman, the man who would be king, deciding not to serve in the united states senate. i'll ask him why in a minute. also, mike barnicle, a man who has decided that he will serve out the remainder of his days at a halfway house just north of central park. the angle bracelet stays on him, so women of gotham, you can feel free to walk in the park today. you're going to be safe. also, nicole wallace is with us. maybe we'll ask her again just how glorious those days with the mccain campaign was -- were last summer. and mika brzezinski here. mika, we've got a great hour. >> i just talked to governor romney about that rapper that hit him. he's okay. the rapper now, his name is sky blue. remember that happened on the plane? >> i remember it. i felt badly for the rapper, the rapper hit him in the back of the head, the brill cream had solidified and he broke a couple of knuckles on the hair.
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>> he said that the guy broke his hair. that they shook hands and sky blue now calls mitt romney his homeboy. >> yeah. sky blue, god bless him. >> i'm sure you all wanted to know that. >> well, he's picking up votes everywhere he goes. the guy's got the mojo this time. >> no doubt about it. he is going to have some problems, though, on health care. no doubt he's going to have problems on health care, running in a republican primary, the year of obamacare. >> yeah, the health care costs in the massachusetts program have cost health care costs in massachusetts to soar. mike knows a lot more about it, what is it, 20% a year for -- >> private plans. >> that's one of the reasons why they were so angry and supported brown in that primary, because they didn't want to have federal health care costs soaring on top of state health care costs. >> but, nicole, right now, mitt romney's the guy, isn't he? as far as in the republican nominating process, there's really not anyone out there -- >> i can't think of anyone. >> he's like that bottle of wine
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that got opened up in the right cycle and it's going to be just right for the next president -- >> oh, god! >> i'm serious. he was a guy who was talking about things people didn't want to talk about last time. he was talking about taking on the entitlements. no one wanted to deal with that last time. we don't have a choice this time. he's got a message on foreign policy that's tough and i think he has a confidence and record on management. i think this is going to be a competence election. >> and if you use a metaphor, a 4-year-old opened bottle of wine is not what you want to be -- >> i meant the wine is on the counter for like an hour -- he was the guy who during the financial crisis was, you know, the lone champion of the, you know, i mean, as someone who was on the mccain campaign, we didn't have a lot of great days, but he was on the morning show, he's a great guy and a good campaigner. he knew what he was talking about. >> let's put it this way.
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unlike the two remaining presidential candidates when it came to the economy, he knew what he was talking about. >> he knew what he was talking about. he knows what he's talking about. and i think he's calm enough and steady enough and almost dispassionate about -- it's not going to be an emotional discussion about whether we take on entitlement reform. the next president will have to deal with social security or it will go away. >> and he's also not going to be trying to paint himself as something he's not. as a right-wing social conservative. >> yeah. he seems, you know, comfortable in his skin. >> if i talk that way and i start foaming at the mouth, people believe it. >> just the foam. >> just the foam. all right. let's get to the top stories. we have a lot going on. governor david paterson is back on the front page of "the new york times" this morning as the paper digs deeper into what role the democrat played in a domestic abuse scandal involving a top aide. paterson admits he spoke with the aide's accuser the day
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before he wshe was due in court press her case. according to the times, a state worker was directed by paterson to contact that woman and convey a message that the governor, quote, wants her to make this go away. despite that controversy, a new poll shows 61% of voters think paterson should serve out his full term. >> now, that poll just came out. it was taken a couple of days ago. this story is moving very quickly. you watch those numbers collapse. there is a very able and competent lieutenant governor who can actually do a very good job running this state. i would say andrew cuomo doesn't probably want him to step in, because that could be a challenger for the election next time, but -- >> i don't think the lieutenant governor wants to run for governor, but dick ravitch, very mr. fix it in all of the problems of new york city for a decade, but the problem is we are facing in new york a $10
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billion deficit. and this governor is simply going to be incapable of dealing with the legislature on that given all the problems he has. so it's a huge problem. the "daily news," frankly, called for his resignation right from the very beginning, because this just disqualifies him from being able to be effective. >> and "the new york times" went after him today. let's hope -- and i guess "the post" called for the resignation as well. hopefully "the new york times" will continue jumping up and down on this. >> they did a great job of this in this investigation. and it's really shocking that he allowed -- i mean, the head of the state troopers resigned already as a result of his role in this. >> should have. >> the governor, in a sense, sent him, he cannot legitimately stay in office. >> there's another interesting story line there involving the state police and its relationship with state governors across the country. and perhaps it not being a good one. >> no, it's not. >> maybe there should be a separate security detail. sources tell nbc news that new york congressman charlie rangel will take a leave of absence as chairman of the
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powerful ways and means committee. it comes after the democrat was admonished by an ethics panel for going on caribbean trips that were sponsored in part by corporations. sources say the congressman will step down temporarily as an ethics probe continues. rangel, however, remains defiant and says he has no plans the to relinquish his chair. >> let's bring in right now the democratic representative of south carolina, majority whip, and also the man who represents lizard's thick thicket in south carolina, we're talking about columbia's own congressman, jim clyburn. good to see you. >> thank you so much for having me. good morning. >> jim, do you think it's a good thing, should charlie step down until all of these ethics investigations are over? >> well, i think this issue will resolve itself in a matter of hours. i think -- i heard that charlie and the speaker met last evening and i suspect that they're coming up with a resolution that
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all of us can live with. >> and is it a resolution that will have charlie step down until the ethic investigation's over? >> well, i was not in the meeting, but i think that everybody in the congress will be pleased with the resolution. >> well, when you say it's a resolution everyone can live with, what is it people are having trouble living with right now? >> well, i think that all of us agree, including charlie, that the results of that ethics inquiry have been troubling for him and for everybody. i think charlie is a great guy, a good friend, a consummate legislator, but charlie is also a lover of the institution of his fellow members and i think that he has been meeting with the speaker to have the proper discussions. >> i agree with you, charlie's a
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great guy. i served with him for several years, i like him an awful lot. he's a great american, a patriot, served in the war effectively, but at the same time, congressman, you and i both know you don't go on trips without knowing who's paying for those trips, do you? >> well, we all know what the rules are. and of course, there was a little twist to this one that caught some of us by surprise, and that is the fact that it seemed to impugn to charlie something that he says he was not aware of and had no part in. but because his staff was aware of and participated in it, ultimately, he was responsible. so that's sort of a new twist here that all of us in the congress are going to have to be very aware of going forward, because i think that this adds to the dimension that none of us have dealt with before. >> but congressman, if you got in trouble with the ethics committee, you wouldn't blame your staff members.
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and if you went on a trip, i know you, like me, would with ask before you even walked out the door of your office who's paying for this trip, where are we going? what do they expect from me? does this -- because every time -- and i know you did what i did, every time i went on a trip, i made sure that all the ts were crossed, all the is were dotted. and it was ethical. >> yes, that's quite true. and i think that the ethics -- >> i mean, this is, after all, a couple of years after abramoff's golf trips that got people sent to jail. how could he blame this on his staff? >> he isn't blaming this on his staff -- >> but he is. >> the ethics committee is saying his staff took activities that he was not aware of, but he should have been. so if they investigated and came to the conclusion that charlie was not aware, i'm assuming that they found out something that most of us may not know about.
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>> let's talk about health care reform. of course, the senate is going to try to push through fixes for the health care bill through reconciliation in the senate. in the house, do you -- you're the guy that has to count the votes. do you have 218 yet? >> i think we're in good shape on this bill. i think that all of us in the house know that 220 people have voted for it, 219 democrats. now, three of those democrats have voted for it no longer apply to the body, which takes us down to 216. but we've got four vacancies, so it mean what is we need is 216 and not 218. >> but you don't have the stupak provision in this final bill, do you? i mean, you'll lose a lot of pro-life democrats, right? >> well, we've been living with the hyatt amendment for how long, since you've been there? >> i'm not there. you have to explain this to southern democrats, right? >> yes. and those southern democrats are
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quite aware that the hyatt amendment still lives. and it outlawed any federal funds for abortion and there won't be. now, the stupak amendment went a couple of steps further, and that's what's got a few people uncomfortable. but the hyatt amendment is live and well and this bill honors that amendment. >> so are you -- what are you at right now? give us a number. your private, top-secret, in the safe, count for health care? 200, 203, 204? what do you have right now? >> i'm in very good shape. i think we'll do well with this bill and we'll have health care reform that all of us can build upon in years going forward. this is not going to be the last time we visit this. how many times we revisited medicare to get it right? how many times we visited -- >> i know! i know, jim, but it was the
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president himself when he launched this who said, this is the last time congress is going to have to ever address health care reform. >> no. this is the last time we'll have to begin health care reform. we are going to be doing this a second and a third time. we're going to get it right, but it won't be all that we want the first time out. you know how this works. my lord, we go back and talk about the civil rights act as if it was done in one fell swoop. we did something in '64, didn't have voting in it. did voting in '65, didn't have housing in it. did housing in '68, came back in '72. took us eight years to get it right. hopefully we can get this done sooner than that. >> i've got another story i want you to weigh in on. billions of dollars of federal funding are set to flow back into government programs this morning after senator jim bunning ended his one-man bla
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blockade of spending on capitol hill. after a fiery showdown, the key republican relented, but listen to this, not without a fight. here he is. >> we want a country that don't owe everybody in the world for our existence. and the question i've been asked mostly is, why now? well, why not now? >> why not now? at what point do we start living by this pay-go rule that democrats promised to pass in '06, but then sort of pushed it to the side and now the president's pushing for it again. when does washington, congressman, start paying for the bills that they write? >> well, i think that we are doing that now. this is an emergency. and we have always dealt with
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emergencies as they appear. we've got a problem in people's families, people who are out of work, not because they want to be out of work. people who find themselves with health care problems, stopping corporate payments so that people can continue their health care. this is absolutely ridiculous. we need to be sure that as we carry out our duties and responsibilities to the country as a whole, we do not lead the vulnerable on the sideline. we took emergency measures to save the financial centers in this country, our institutions, and this is an emergency for individual families. and we will do pay-go in regular order. >> mort zuckerman? >> congressman, you are touching on a really important subject, it seems to me, in terms of the unemployment numbers in this country, which are much worse than the top line unemployment numbers. people estimate anywhere from
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17% to 20% of people are either unemployed or underemployed. this is not going to address that issue. what do you think ought to be done next to focus in on that very critical issue that is probably the overwhelming issue for most americans? >> well, i think that we've got to get people back to work. i think that's why you'll see the house and senate coming together on this jobs bill. now, the house did $175 or 80 billion jobs bill. the senate has decided to break that up and do it a couple small pieces at a time. i don't object to that, but i think what we ought to do is recognize when people are out of work, they're not paying taxes, they don't have health care, they have real serious emergencies in their homes. we have to make sure that whatever we do, we do not leave these vulnerable people on the sidelines. so we are going to have a jobs bill and we are going to have a second and third jobs bill going forward, but we are going to
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start this week with about a $15 billion to $20 billion bill. also in this bill, people aren't focusing on the fact that we are funding the infrastructure programs for another year. that is, the highways, bridges, and all those kinds of things that will put people back to work with right away. so there's a lot in this bill that people are not focusing on. >> congressman clyburn, always good to have you on the show. thank you very much. >> thank you, jim! >> thank you so much for having me. come on down to columbia, south carolina, and get some mrs. thickets. >> we will be there! >> look forward to it. coming up, the capitol curse, why politicians running for election might want to cut ties with washington. signs of a growing trend next in the politico playbook. good-bye, mort. >> bye-bye, mort. >> nice to see you. >> so busy. he's just got to run. also, the palin phenomenon. is she becoming more celebrity and less politician? that's coming up in the politico
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roundtable. but first, here's todd santos with a check on the forecast. todd? >> looks like kind of a messy day travel wise across much of the northeast. want to kind of look at least the entire country. beautiful from chicago back through kansas city and denver, but the west coast, the bay area dealing with some of these showers and of course up near new york, dealing with some light snow at laguardia. we did have a little bit of light snow back towards central park a little while ago. there's a like at the radar at this hour, dealing with some of those slight, light showers up near boston. the issue will be the winds and the low clouds. the combination already causing some delays at philadelphia, coming in right around an hour. there are some of the current conditions right now. temperatures really borderline to produce much in the way of snow. and some of those airline delays likely to compound on into later on this afternoon. you're watching "morning joe" brewed by starbucks.
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we will make this the most honest, ethical, and open congress in history. >> boom! nancy pelosi raising the bar on ethical standards. look out, rangel, here it comes. you're going down. >> it was a violation of the rule of the house. it was not something that jeopardized our country in any way. >> what?! so violations of the house ethics rules do not jeopardize our country in any way? does botox also paralyze your moral compass? i think i know why pelosi went easy on him. let's go back to that picture of rangel on a lounge chair. can we widen out? son of a bitch! ♪
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i got it right here. it is the result of president obama's first physical since taking office. in it, the president's physician, dr. jeffrey coleman, recommends moderation in alcohol intake. folks -- yeah, yeah, oh, yeah. he's probably drinking to forget he bowls like this. you are a conservative. true? yes, you are. >> i am. >> but you go on pbs. that's the enemy camp. you cannot be friends with these people, okay?
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we can't play tennis with these guys. there is a conservative news channel and there is a liberal news channel. there's a conservative paper and a liberal paper. there's a conservative puffed corn chip and a liberal puffed corn chip. how can you possibly be in the enemy camp? >> self-loathing. i've made a career of self-loathing. my joke is that being at a conservative like "the new york times" is like being chief rabbi in mecca, sometimes a little lonely. >> pretty good. >> that is -- and by the way, we've showed a lot of clips and shown some jon stewart clips. we had expressed the belief that when obama came in that jon stewart wouldn't go after democrats and i think it took "the daily show" maybe a couple of months to find its footing, but he's going. listen, tip your hat to him, he's going after democrats as well as republicans. >> charlie rangel stuff was very funny. >> unbelievable. >> and he's going after obama and pelosi. so a follow-up a year later. >> can't say that anymore.
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>> what i like about him is he treats his audience like they're very intelligent. and i think that no matter who you're poking fun at, no matter what the comedy's directed, that always works. >> just needs to spread the wealth fairly. let's take a look at the morning papers. "miami herald," charlie crist delivers his final state of the state speech. >> and "the hartford courant," peter schiff, linda mcmahon, and rob simmons faced off tuesday night for their first debate. >> "wall street journal," rangel loses support in house. dozens of democrats say they would support a republican resolution urging him to step down as chairman of the house tax writing committee. >> and "the seattle times," a dash of good news in the state's job market. washington state added more than 12,000 new payroll jobs in january. that's the first increase since november of 2008, one of the biggest one-month gains in nearly three years. let's bring in right now the
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executive editor for politico, jim vandehei. he's here with this morning's political playbook. before we get into the playbook, i wonder, we read that story out of "the miami herald" about the headline about charlie crist. i wonder if charlie cristxd is little more nervous this morning with the results in texas, where a conservative republican running in a primary absolutely thrashed a more moderate republican. texas and florida, different states, but still, charlie's got to be concerned this morning about that, right? >> well, he had to be concerned long before that, though, because he's getting clobbered in a lot of the most recent polling in that race. but there's no doubt if he looks over at texas and what happened, there is a big correlation there. because i think one thing that people are forgetting. people are frustrated both, often with washington, but also just sort of politics as usual in some of the states. again, like we talk about this all the time, but there is so much unhappiness, more bitterness in the electorate that i can remember in my 15
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years of covering politics. and that leads to a lot of unpredictable for any incumbent. i think the fact that senator kay bailey hutchison gets beat as badly as she did in texas, in a race where many people felt months ago she had a good chance of winning just shows that any attachment to washington, any attachment to corporate america, any attachment to politics as usual or the lobbying community, it is a curse, curse, curse this year. >> and it's not, jim, like kay bailey hutchison has been seen as a failure in the senate. she has been a popular texas senator for some time, since she won her special election back, my gosh, i guess in the '80s, '90s. >> and during her campaign, she kept talking about that. look at all i've done for texas, look at all i've brought home to you. what people seem to focus on, yeah, you brought it home from washington. we don't even like the good stuff you're bringing from washington right now because we don't like washington. there are other factors why she lost. she did not run a great campaign.
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she clearly did not have a good read on the electorate and therefore her campaign strategy didn't match the mood of the state. but the fact that she lost as badly as she did sends another signal to all incumbents. there's been so much focus on what a bad environment it is for democrats, it's a bad environment for democrats and for republicans. anybody attached to washington right now is in trouble. and you see it in every single poll now. we saw what happened in virginia, new jersey, massachusetts, texas. and it's the same thing in every single district of polling that we're looking at too. independents ticked off, moving away from democrats. >> nicole can wallace is here. nicole? >> hey, jim. how you doing? >> good. >> i'm curious in a normal year, how often does a senator take down a governor in a primary. and have you looked at whether this year is extraordinary in that regard? >> that's a good question. i don't know the answer to that. what i can tell you is that what we've seen now, if you go into virtually any one of these races
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and you look at the polling data afterwards, what it does show is that attachment to with washington is killing them. there was a lot of polling done in new york recently by people close to harold ford. and they took a look at what's happening in new york. and the results are just depressing, for any candidate who has any attachment to washington. and i think this is going to play out not just in the races that we all pay attention to, sort of the high-profile, big state senate races, i think it will play out in races for the state legislature. i think you're going to see it all the way down the ballot. until people have a sense that government at some level is getting it right, and i think getting it right means somehow getting deficits under control and getting unemployment under control. and that's why this health care debate is so interesting if you look at it just through a political lens. because everything that the president knows and everything that he hears about the polling data that's being shared with him says, focus on jobs. two months ago they said, all we're going to do is focus on
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jobs. all they're focusing on is health care, health care, health care. and the polls show it's very unpopular. come november, if they lose, this focus on health care is probably going to be a big, big contributor. focus on health care being unpopular, but also because they're not focusing on jobs. >> hey, jim, do you think guys like mitch mcconnell and eric cantor are underestimating the anger out there, thinking it's all just directed at democrats? >> i think a little bit. there's definitely -- you know, when you talk to republicans, they feel like they finally have their footing. there are some republicans who have a more realistic view. they know that republican brand is still very, very popular, in many cases, more unpopular than the democratic brand. but what they'll tell you is, like, listen, we have a strategy that we think is working. we're going to bring down health care. there's nothing that the president can do to get republicans on for this health care bill. nothing. and they're proud to sort of be the party of no right now, because they feel like no is resonating with independents and it's validated by the fact if you go through the top seven issues that people care about in elections, independents seem to favor republicans on virtually
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every issue, except for terrorism. >> all right, jim vandehei, thank you very much. >> take care. >> thanks, jim. coming up next, maybe it was take your child to work day. >> i'm sure it was. >> i brought my daughter to work on take your daughter to work day. it must have happened at jfk airport. >> air mex 403, contact departure, adios. >> adios amigoamigos. >> the faa not laughing. details next on "morning joe." let's hear it for saving on the good stuff.
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just after 8:30 on the east coast, time for a quick look at some of today's top stories. officials in chile say the death toll from saturday's massive earthquake is approaching 800. emergency aid is beginning to flow into the disaster zone, where an estimated 2 million people are affected.
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security video shows the strength of the magnitude 8.8 quake which caused the ground to shift six feet in some places. amazing. real estate and media tycoon mort zuckerman says he will not run for the republican nomination for a u.s. senate seat in new york. that decision comes just a day after harold ford jr. took his name out of the running on the democrat side. although he decided against a run for office, zuckerman told us the current state of politics in washington compelled him to weigh the idea. >> i was -- i've just been inundated with e-mails and telephone calls of people whom i haven't even spoken to for ten years saying, we'll work for your campaign, raise money for your campaign, whatever. there's really a desire someone out of the political system and go in and act -- i'll take this as a compliment -- like a grown-up. because there's a sense that the p politics and the politicians have dpon so far from what is
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the necessary policy, there's a real hunger -- you saw it in texas. the incumbents are not highly regarded, for good reason, because they've failed so dramatically in terms of addressing our problems. and there is a federal investigation under way after an air traffic controller apparently allowed a child to give directions to pilots. officials say the kennedy airport employee brought his school-aged kid into the tower where that child made a series of transmissions to departing passenger planes. this recording was obtained by liveatc .net. >> cleared for takeoff. >> this is what you get, guys, when the kids are out of school. >> i wish i could bring my kid to work. >> jet blue 171, contact departure. >> departure, jet blue 171, awesome job. >> 0-3, clear for takeoff. >> air mex 403, contact
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departure, adios. >> contact departure, adios, amigos. >> adios, amigos. over departure, jet blue 195. >> while the pilots may have been laughing, the faa is not. both the controller and a supervisor have been suspended. do you feel bad for the dad? >> i do. you know, i hope they don't get fired. hey, the kid speaks too languages. >> the kid did a good job. might have been an upgrade, you never know. coming up next, can palin, the celebrity, become palin the politician? we'll talk with filmmaker john ziegler who interviewed sarah palin for his documentary. that's next on "morning joe." ]
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all right. we have breaking news on a story we've been talking about all morning here on "morning joe." that is at 9:00 eastern time, in just about 19 minutes, congressman charlie rangel will be holding a news conference. now, sources tell nbc news that he is planning to take a leave of absence as chairman of the powerful ways and means committee. this comes after -- this comes, of course, after the democrat was admonished by an ethics panel for going on caribbean trips that were sponsored in part by corporations. now, he had said he remains defiant and that he is going to be holding on to his chair, he has no plans to relinquish it, that could be changing, we will see in about 18 minutes. charlie rangel will be holding a news conference, which, of course, we will be carrying live right here on msnbc. so that is potentially -- i mean, i would think, barnicle, we expect to see him perhaps
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make some changes. >> step down. >> all right. we'll cover that. with us now from burbank, john ziegler, the creator of the documentary film on the 2008 election "media malpractice: how obama got elected and palin was targeted," which featured an exclusive news making interview with governor palin from her home. sarah palin, of course, was on leno last night. >> john, we're going to talk about a lot of things. but first, let's talk about sarah palin last night. critics knock her down, but, my gosh, this woman, when she is comfortable in front of a camera, can hold an audience better than anybody. >> no question about that, joe. and it's especially positive for her when she's not being edited by people who are dead set on her destruction because of either political or financial agendas. and obviously, when she's essentially live on "the tonight show" in front of jay leno, who's pretty fair to her, she's going to come across pretty well. i thought she was outstanding, if she hadn't already been destroyed by the news media, she
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would be in great shape. >> what is about sarah palin, she goes on "saturday night live," have the highest ratings in 14 years. at the convention were her speech was seen by more americans than any other speech in convention history. she goes on leno, she's such a success. what is about sarah palin that draws viewers? >> well, first of all, obviously, we live in a television age, how photogenic someone is dictates everything. she's obviously beautiful. she's obviously also a lightning rod for both sides of the political spectrum. and now she is a celebrity. she's one of the biggest celebrities in the country, if not the world. and celebrity sells. it's really not that difficult an equation to figure out. it's whether or not this celebrity can be translated into some sort of a political future that i guess people are concerned about. >> and that's the question. has she stepped over -- and of course, ronald reagan was a celebrity who became president. has she stepped, though, a bit further over that line and is she closer to being a celebrity
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now than being a public figure that might be president one day? >> well, joe, it's a great question. if you give me a moment, i think i can give you some insight into this. it's important to understand that the sarah palin of 2008 doesn't exist anymore. that person was brutally assassinated by a media that had a financial and political agenda against her. this is sarah palin 2.0. she had very limited options about what she was going to do with her future because she was unfairly destroyed, as my documentary proves in the 2008 election. so in order to survive, she has played the cards dealt to her. she has played those cards extraordinarily well, but that meant becoming this unique, and i do mean unique, celebrity politician. and i was one of those who believed after the success of the book that there was a great opportunity to potentially translate this celebrity into a presidential run in 2012. since the book came out, basically since january of this year, when she decided to become
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a fox commentator, i believe she has gone down a path that makes that absolutely, positively impossible in 2012, to beat barack obama. >> why is that, john? as one of sarah palin's staunchest defenders from the beginning, what is she doing that makes her taking on barack obama impossible in 2012? >> for her or anybody else from the republican side to beat barack obama, you're going to have to appeal, obviously, to nonconservatives or at the very least to moderate conservatives. and she has chosen a path, going on fox, cozying up to people like glenn beck and elements of the tea party that i think she's already naive about. there are great elements of the tea party, there are other elements that are rather corrupt. because she has taken this path -- and by the way, if she's not running for president is brilliant and she has played you guys in the media for all your worth and has used your negativity for her favor. but the reality is, that is not a path towards winning moderate, open-minded independent voters
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in 2012 against the messiah, your network's favorite candidate, barack obama. >> okay. >> you apparently don't wake up early on the west coast and watch what i say about him. >> your network. your network. your network. >> there, you have the gratuitous knock at msnbc, and john ziegler, if you didn't have that in there at least one time, it wouldn't be a john ziegler hit on msnbc. thanks for waking up early in burbank. >> very early. take care. >> thanks. >> thank you. >> you know, that's fascinating that he said -- and i agree with him, that he said, not about msnbc, no, i'll never say that, but i agree with him that she's making some choices that will help her sell books and will connect her with certain elements that will go out and buy those books, but may not help her get elected in 2012. nicole wallace just sat there on her hands and didn't say
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welcome back now for an incredible story from iraq. six years ago, former nbc news correspondent don teague forged a unique friendship with his translator, so it was only natural when he learned her life was in danger, he helped her escape and don teague is here with us now. he's joined by the young woman he helped flee from her home country. the amazing story is chronicled in their new book, "saved by her enemy: an iraqi woman's journey from the heart of war to the heartland of america." welcome to you both, to the show. i guess, first of all, don, if you could lay the background of the story, how you two met, were working together? >> you saw kerry sanders there in the picture with her. she was run of the translators from shortly after the fall of baghdad for 18 months through the first part of the war and the encourainsurgency. so all of us who went and did time in baghdad, particularly
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richard engel knew rafraf. and we all found her to be an intelligent woman who had something to offer. >> working with richard engel in america causes you to want to escape iraq, but in this case, works with the likes of you all actually put her life seriously in danger. >> she was being actively targeted by insurgents. it wasn't safe for her to go home. she was living in an nbc hotel or with other friends and family and moving iraq. >> and this was during the chaos of '05 and '06? >> it was earlier than that, '04, when i was there in february of '04, we were hit by an ied while covering a storying together. it sort of galvanized our friendship and convinced he we should do something to help her. >> what a unique position to take on a job as a translator and work with americans and with nbc. what drove you? >> oh, well, my family, like after the war, everyone had lost their jobs and i knew english
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and i thought -- >> needed a job? >> yeah, i thought i could put it to good use -- >> perfect english, by the way, we can tell. >> thank you. i appreciate it. >> when did you start taking english? because you saw americans as enemies, you'd been told americans were enemies? why did you learn the enemy's language? >> they do teach us english in baghdad schools since we are 10 years old, the basic english, but i did go to the college of arts in baghdad university and learned my english there. >> family still there? >> yes. >> what family? >> everyone. >> are you going to go back some day? >> of course, i miss them. >> is it working? >> they say it's getting better, so maybe one day when it gets really better and safer, i feel that i can go home. >> could you stay with us right here. we have some breaking news. charlie rangel on capitol hill -- >> speaking right now. >> we'll get to the rest of the interview after this. here's charlie rangel. >> thank you so much.
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have a great day. i'll see you at the press conference. >> okay. so he's getting ready for his press conference and the cameras caught him live right there. he was just getting some questions in but wasn't saying anything. >> i want to go back, though. so your parents, your family say things are getting better, but still not good enough for you to go back? >> well, i did speak to my mother and she was telling me that it's getting better and things are getting, you know, they are working, they are slower, you know, in the progress, but they are getting better. >> talking about the adjustment. going from iraq to the united states, what's been the hardest adjustment for you? >> a lot. everything. it's a totally different place. it's a different culture, different rules, different -- i mean, the least thing that i could remember when i first got here is i got in don's car to drive me from the airport to his family house and i got in and i didn't know how to put the seat
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belt on. it's a lot of adjustment to do. >> well, you can read in "saved by her enemy: an iraqi woman's journey from the heart of war to the heartland of america," how rafraf was brought to this country, how she was saved when her life was in danger, an amazing story by two amazing people. don teague, nbc news correspondent. >> i want to talk more about this. obviously, the charlie rangel press conference is messing things up. but i want to you get you guys back to talk about this and also get you on the radio if that's okay. >> that would be great. >> sign me up. >> we'll be right back. coming up, we're expecting a news conference from charlie rangel. and the startup-capital- for-barbers business. and the this-won't- hurt-a-bit business. because we don't just work here. we live here. these are our families. and our neighbors. and by changing lives we're in more than the energy business we're in the human energy business. chevron.
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until such time as the ethics committee completes its work. now, i know that all of you have a professional obligation to ask questions, but i'm afraid if i went down that road that it would distract me from what i have to do in terms of completion of the president's health bill as well as making certain that our committee gets
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a good jobs bill. so that i will not consider it rude if you insist on answering questions when i told you i won't answer and i hope that you understand that. i don't intend to be rude to you as i leave. so thank you this morning and i've got to get back to work. >> as you said at the outset, it's not because of press attention that you're stepping down, is it? >> i don't recall saying it's your fault? >> it's not press attention, it's not really bad, is it? >> no questions, please. >> yeah, that's subjective. >> mr. rangel, who's going to take over? >> like i said, i hope you don't mind if i don't take questions, okay? thank you. i want you to have a great day. >> why the change from last night, sir? >> i also would like to say, from the very, very beginning, i had offered this to speaker pelosi. >> thank you, guys. nost


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