tv Morning Joe MSNBC November 3, 2010 5:00am-8:00am EST
>> good morning. it is wednesday, november 3rd, the day after the big mid-term elections. welcome to a special edition of "morning joe," live in front of a great audience here at historic studio 8h at "30 rock." this morning, we're joined by the best political minds in the key election results including, we're going to have chris matthews on, tom brokaw, lawrence o'donnell, chuck todd, peggy noonan, governor ed rendell. i love him. michael steele will be on the show. >> really? we had problem getting him yesterday. >> we'll be joined by senator harry reid. >> that is a shock of the night. >> rand paul -- >> rand paul will be here. >> governor elect nikki haley from south carolina. a great cast. >> it is a great cast. you always go back to where you were on historic nights.
last night, we were up at williams college. the night before we were at harvard speaking about what these midterms would mean. as a republican -- >> you want to blend. >> i want to hang out with other republicans. a lot of times, you know, hanging out here i don't have a lot of conservatives. i went to williams last night. >> you went to the wrong place. >> mika interrupted me in the middle of the speech with breaking news, and it was shocking, that bret michaels had an affair with miley cyruses mom. my world view was shattered. you really did interrupt me. i wanted results -- >> that's where chris sent me. i always do what my producer says. don't i, chris? where is chris? >> he ran to the bathroom. it was an emergency. so let's talk about last night. >> mike barnicle, mark halperin, harold ford, junior, and the great pat buchanan is with us. >> happy birthday. >> it was his birthday
yesterday. i promised i would give him a republican wave. >> pat, let's start with you. you brought up 1948, talked about how your birthday was ruined in '48 when dewey was actually defeated by truman. speaking of 1948, last night was a historic night for the republicans who picked up more house seats than any party since 1948. all along, i had doubted it would be that high because they have a 26% approval rating. pat, what in the world happened? >> i think it's a repudiation of barack obama, joe. i think it is putting obama into a personal and political crisis. his agenda has been repudiated. now instead of being a transformational president, the greatest liberal since fdr to be elected, he's going to have to be an austerity president, a deficit hawk and at war with his own left wing of his own party.
>> mike barnicle, you started talking about this in february of 2009 yourks weren't doing it because you were bored waiting for the red sox season to start. >> well. >> but it seemed like a good time to pastime. you said these democrats need to focus on jobs. if they don't focus on jobs, they're going to get thrown out. you said it every day for the next year and a half. they didn't get the message until last night. >> the irony to me is, i don't know that it was a repudiation of barack obama so much as it was an indictment of his lack of communication skills. the guy who was the greatest communicator on a political stage that i've seen since john f. kennedy in 2008, john f. kennedy in 1960, couldn't communicate the fact that your job was more important than an elongated 18-month battle over health care, that your immediate economic future was more important than some health care bill that took 18 months to complete. and what happened last night i
think is a baseball metaphor, is the american people have now gone into free agency. they're going to hire these people for two years. they're going to take a look at the batting averages and see who is doing well a year from now. if you're not doing well, your contract supp. you're out. >> speaking of free agency, mark halperin, we had a change election in 2006, six years of a bloated republican establishment was tossed out. in '08, eight years of bush republicanism tossed out. in '10, last night, two years of obama liberalism tossed out. let me add something on top of that -- >> and there's more. >> what's so interesting is that barack obama paid in part for carrying on policies of george w. bush. the bailout was not barack obama's. the wall street bailout that was so unpopular was actually forced through when john boehner and other republicans in the establishment were passionately preaching the importance of
passing the wall street bailout. ironically a lot of those bush policies hurt barack obama last night. >> you can say the failure of the bush administration to deal with the fact that so many americans didn't have health care is something this administration had to deal with. the failure to deal with the auto industry, the failure to deal with the jobs crisis. i think the big story, both of the election and going forward is the obama coalitions are dead. he had an electoral coalition that got him elected president. independents swung away from him. young people didn't turn out to vote. he had a coalition in washington to get his agenda through congress. that's gone because people are no longer going to be in office, and he had a coalition of support of the media and business and other groups -- >> you mean the media supported barack obama? >> no, no. >> he said the media support. >> they were part of a coalition. now, at 1:00 today when he does this press conference, i think
job one for him is he's going to have to rebuild coalitions across the board or his administration is dead in the water. >> let's harold ford, junior, put this in perspective. i remember after 2008 i heard people talking about virginia has gone from red to purple and will move to blue, gone forever! we heard the gop was locked in the deep south with the great blue wall encircling it, a wall they would never break -- do you remember that, pat? >> the blue wall. >> the blue wall. this was like a year and a half ago, we were told republicans would never win in new england again, republicans would never win out west again, republicans would never win in the midwest again. let's not overread this, harold. listen, congratulations to republicans. it was historic -- i knew we could find one republican here. i am not for a second
underselling this for the republican party. but it really wasn't about the republican party. it was about people in the middle of america that said pay attention to us, we don't want extremities on the right or the left. if republicans mess up, they'll put the democrats right back in two years from now, won't they? >> no doubt about it. think about this, the massachusetts senate race, republican at the beginning of the year. last year about this time, new jersey elects a republican governor, virginia elects a republican governor. many people thought democrats might get the message around health care and jobs early january after the brown win. >> let me stop you. why didn't they? scott brown -- i remember e mailing all my friends at the white house, a very long list, and i actually said -- >> you make me hold most of that list. >> i know. i said a year ago, guys, don't be upset. this is a blessing. instead of getting pounded a year from now in the midterms like clinton did in '94, you can adjust now and save your party. they ignored me.
why? >> i think they genuinely believed what they were doing was going to create jobs. as hard as it is to understand why anybody would do that, it's incredulous. for them not to realize -- let me say, i think they believe honestly their policies will produce jobs. last night, put aside the senate losses. we lost ohio's governor's race, illinois, pennsylvania, michigan, all incredibly important states in terms of the coalition that halperin talked about. i think the focus for the president at 1:00 has to be on pushing a reset business, being con sill torry towards businesses. be open minded on tax cuts, be open minded on deficit reduction more so than they have been. >> when you say open minded on business, that will offend a lot of people on the left that. is the single most important thing that the white house needs to do. i've been hearing for a year from democratic business
leaders, from progressive ceos that never voted for a republican once in their life, desperately looking for republicans to support. the president's first job needs to be to reach out to the business community which grows jobs. >> okay. now you're talking about which way obama should go. that is the big choice. 1946 republicans won both houses of congress. truman came fighting back and defeated them. in 1966 we won 47 seats, but nixon went on to defeat lyndon johnson's party. obama has to decide which way he's going to go. you say go to business. that means basically going to the center and the center right dealing with these folks. he's got an angry, bitter, scorched left wing in the senate and in the house. and he starts moving to accommodate boehner and work with boehner, he's going to have rebellion on the left. you'll find out if barack obama is really a great president now. because can he build the kinds of coalitions that have already
broken up. >> let's get to elements from last night -- >> one more thing. >> no, no, no. >> let me say this really quick. the north carolina legislature is now republican for the first time since 1870. >> that's sort of like your district, what happened when you won. >> the alabama legislature is republican for the first time since 1876. the entire wisconsin and new hampshire legislatures have flipped to the gop by wide margins. the state houses in indiana, pennsylvania, michigan, ohio, iowa, montana and colorado flipped to the gop. listen to these two states that flipped to the gop. maine and minnesota flipped to the republican party on the state level in texas, tennessee, you can go on and on and on. this is by definition a tsunami on all levels except the u.s. senate. >> on the bottom of your screen, you can see the results. big picture, republicans picking
up in the house 60 seats, in the senate republicans picked up six seats including president obama's old seat. colorado and washington races are too close to call. alaska is unsettled. there's a whole issue with the write-in candidate and whether or not enough people wrote her name out correctly. they're looking into that. democrats projected to hold 49 seats with two independents who caucused. dems expected to control 51 of the senate seats. last night john boehner spoke and got a little bit emotional. take a look. >> i spent my whole life chasing the american dream. i put myself through school working every rotten job there was and every night shift i could find.
and i pored my heart and soul into run ag small business. when i came to wash, i had the core values of this great nation. i put my name forward and ran for office. >> mike barnicle, even john boehner can't believe he's speaker. >> oh, come on. that was nice. >> that was pretty good. >> something about the stage. >> what you were touching upon, speaker boehner there, redistricting that's going to occur in all these states with newly republican legislation and newly republican gov nors. >> seriously, can you believe -- i am so glad this morning i'm not a democrat because i would be banging my head against the wall. okay, we have a historic victory in '08 where you redistrict nothing. but when you're going to shape the electoral map for the next decade, you decide to fumble the
ball on the 2-yard-line. bad timing for democrats. >> again, i come back to -- i forget the name of the movie. paul newman played a chain gang, road gang in florida. >> "cool hand luke." >> martin is the warden. he says, what we have here is a failure to communicate. this greatest communicator of our modern era as a politician, they failed to communicate so many things, so many essential ingredients. >> is it really about communication? because we talked about it time and time again. it was what they were fighting for for a year and a half. it wasn't that they couldn't communicate this health care bill. it was that they would even admit privately that the health care bill was garbage. >> as mark halperin would say, was a game-change kind of night last night. the white house has to be sensitive to not only the communications challenge, and i think there's something to be
said there, but there has to be a substantive change, a refocusing on jobs and the economy. it's all obvious. there's nothing here that should shock the heart or imagination. people want jobs and the economy to be foremost. they went a president willing to not only work with his own party -- i hear you pat, and i know how deeply concerned you are about democrats taking care of the left wing. >> i'm very concerned. >> the left wing has to understand that to govern effectively you have to be in office which means you have to reach out to both wings of your party. i stand on the moderate wing of my party. for democrats to govern effectively -- two years later, we could come back to the middle. >> if you want a deficit hawk, austerity president, is barack obama the guy to do that? whatever you say about him, he's a liberal, progressive, transformational president. is he the guy to lead us in that direction? i'm not sure he really is, mark halperin. >> unless john boehner is ready
to impeach him, he's going to have to be that man because he's got two more years. >> is that all he's got? >> he's got more than that. >> we found it with bill clinton. we will find it in this case, too. the days after elections people say, oh, washington is going to be more divided than ever. james madison created a government that requires democrats to work with republicans when they own different branches. it's going to happen. you can't pass a budget without compromise. we're going to see some things happen. >> we'll talk more about parallels with '94 in bill clinton, coming up, the politico playbook's unique inside take on election results. plus willie geist, what else do you have? >> we've got a packed show for that live studio audience in there. nicolle wallace is here. we'll talk to you at length. what's your big takeaway last night? >> i think the republican victories in ohio are pretty stunning considering where we were two years ago.
>> john halperin got done trashing the green room. >> i was outraged at the incredible repudiation of nancy pelosi. as bad as it was for the president and the white house, pelosi was the real loser last night. >> live interviews with rand paul, harry reid off his big win. dick blumenthal, three packed hours for you on this special edition of "morning joe" live from studio 8h at 30 rock. we'll be right back. ♪ ♪ [ growls ] ♪ ♪ [ polar bear grunting ] [ growls ] [ male announcer ] introducing the 100% electric nissan leaf.
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we believe that tonight these results are somehow an embrace of the republican party. what they are is a second chance, a second chance for republicans to be what they said they were going to be not so long ago. >> 20 past the hour. time now to take a look at the morning papers. >> i've got to say, marco rubio gave the message. last night he gave the message to republicans. >> and he stuck to it throughout the campaign. >> by saying we won, but this wasn't about us. we better follow through. these four senators, and i know i'm missing somebody, when you get marco rubio, pat toomey, rand paul and tom coburn together on fiscal issues, i promise you it will not be harry reid who will be pulling his hair out, because i worked with tom coburn and toomey. it's going to be mitch mcconnell because the old republican bolds
are going to expect to be able to spend money the way old republican and democratic bulls spend money. >> are we on the seven-second delay? >> yes, there was one. these guys together will not put up with any stuff. you put demint in there, too, you'll see the senate, big republican spenders and big democratic spenders are going to have all their big spending programs blocked by these five senators. >> let's take a look at that time morning papers. "miami herald," a power shift. marco rubio trounced charlie crist and kendrick meek for the senate seat there. meanwhile republican rick scott edging democrat alex sink in the high stakes florida gubernatorial race. the "san francisco chronicle," brown up, pelosi out. four years after she became the first female speaker in history. >> charleston, west virginia, it's manchin by a mile t. senate win is one of the few bright
spots for democrats. >> the kentucky inquirer, republican rachbd paul surged to a land side victory in tuesday's senate race. paul told the crowd, we've come to take our government back and we're bringing aqua buddha. hey, that commercial backfired. it was one of the sleaziest commercials in the campaign. >> that and a few other things. "chicago tribune," a special trophy for the gop claiming obama's old senate seat. republican mark kirk edged past democratic rival alexi giannoulias in illinois senate race. >> two of the surpriseses. we heard that it was going to happen, but illinois and pennsylvania, two really big surprises. >> that hurts. >> that really has to jar the democratic establishment. joining us now, national political writer for "new york magazine," john heilemann, the green room will be sending you the bill and from the politico newsroom, politico's chief
correspondent mike allen. starting in the politico playbook, the rise and faum of nancy pelosi. >> it was the tough choices that nancy pelosi made that led to last night's incredible blood bath including three chairmen, losses everywhere in the south, big losses in every single state in the old confederacy and those heavy, heavy losses through the industrial midwest that are going to be so tough for the party to recover from. nancy pelosi told me one time she's nails for breakfast, and that's why i think she's going to be regarded as a successful speaker despite this tough night. she took on these bills this tha she believed in, that the president wanted her to do even though the political consequences were clear even going back years. >> i take it from your freudian
slip talking about the old conspiracy, that your family didn't drive you around the southern battlefields going up. >> i went to university of lexington, virginia, grew up in california. >> okay. you're okay. john heilemann, when the past two years lead to the defeat of three gentlemen that survived 1994 and 1980, spratt, overstar and skelton, that's an earthquake. >> it is an earthquake. to speak to mike allen's point, a repudiation of nancy pelosi, she paid in a way and the whole house paid in a way for her effectiveness. she was really ineffective at what she was to dorks passing obama's legislative agenda. it all turned out to be very popular. had she been more of a failure, had she done what a lot on the senate side, for instance, where
a lot of that stuff got stalled and watered down, the senate did not get tarred with the obama agenda in the way the house did. therefore, nancy pelosi did. that's the difference in a lot of ways between the senate and the house last night. >> it happens, harold ford, all the time. i don't understand it. i don't understand why these house members don't understand that they're being pushed off a plank. it happened in 1994 where you'd have democrats being forced to vote for the btu tax. then it would go over to the senate and the democrats would say we're not touching that. the house members would always pay for the votes. when gingrich came in, gingrich would make randy tate in washington state in a swing district and other moderates vote for very conservative items and then be wiped out. when are these house members going to learn they've got to represent their district and not listen to speakers on both extremes. >> this happens. these things happen, i think this will certainly be a recent
lesson for many democrats, republicans. important to note. you mentioned the energy example. the energy bill was not voted on in the senate. a lot of house members had to do it. >> perriello had to vote for a cap and trade bill that was never voted on in the senate. >> think about west virginia. joe manchin won. he's against health care. he actually fired a gun at the cap and trade bill i guess as a metaphor he's opposed to it. he's for extending the bush tax cuts. you look at some of the democrats coming to washington and even the ones staying, their agenda will be markedly different than the presidents. the white house has to make big decisions about what legislative priorities they have and whether or not they're willing to extend the tax cuts. >> one of the great birn anies, pat buchanan, we're all talking about the house right now. it's the senate that's become more conservative by so many degrees when you look at manchin as the bright spot on the
democratic side and all these very conservative republicans who won. >> exactly. you know, john made a very good point. these democrats show a lot of -- nancy pelosi and these folks, tim kaine said yesterday, they came, they had their majority and they did it to make history. that's what they believe in. that's what they wanted to do. they did it. just like in 1965 lbj, the voting rights act and immigration reform, medicare, medicaid, they did it. then they were all wiped out. but do they go back home and say, okay, we lost but we made history or should we have done what we needed to do to get re-elected? that's a great question that all politicians have to ask them sglefls mike allen from politico, thank you very much. let's get a check with willie now. >> mika, we're going to class up this party. donny deutsch is here. you were watching late into the night. what was your big takeaway. >> republicans, tag, you're it. you can't be obstructionist, you
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we are 800 miles from any ocean, but a tsunami just hit the heartland. we saw dark days surrounding this senate seat. blagojevich tried to sell it. democrats had a -- democrats blocked a special election to fill it. washington partisans threw the kitchen sink at us to hold it. but tonight, the sun set on a
one-party corrupt state. >> all right. 36 past the hour. welcome back to "morning joe." joining us now, prize winning author and co-heft of pbs's "need to know," jon meacham. >> why do you say it that way? because you do need to know? why do you mock him? he's a pulitzer prize winner. >> i do not mock him. i need to know. >> does he have to win the nobel prize to get some respect. >> he has a pulitzer. that's good. >> also former communications aid visor for president george w. bush, nicolle wallace. >> just made the bestseller list. none of the power chicks won last night. maybe people will read about the fictional president. >> that's true. we'll talk about that. >> nicolle, what you candidly
described as one of the worst times of your life -- >> just wrapping up therapy. >> just wrapping up therapy. >> how is the medication? >> works great. >> looking calm right now. kind of flat. but things have changed. in two years gop shows strong house gains, a rebuke for obama. there is no way you could have ever believed this night would come two years ago. >> i write fiction because i was pretty sure i wouldn't find work in politics after '08. >> oh, you will. >> what's amazing is some of the states that determine the outcome of presidential elections went wholeheartedly for the republican candidates, ohio, florida, a republican senator in wisconsin. the statewide elections that went for republicans in big numbers are to me the most stunning results of last night. >> you look at the state houses, john heilemann, minnesota flips, wisconsin flips, new hampshire flips. it's stunning.
>> some of those states, min associate tax wisconsin, those are blue states. that's aren't even purple states, they're blue states. they've lost at every level, the democrats got disseminated and all through out the midwest. >> how? pat buchanan -- pat buchanan is not here. >> you'll have to settle for us. >> pat bu clan nan's younger brother, jon meacham. speak in the original german. that's your joke. >> you confuse me with pat and you steal my joke. i'm having a morning like obama. >> i think maybe the narcissim of small choices. there it is. >> we know what america is against. so great question now is what are they for? >> what are they against? >> they're against what they believe to be an overreaching proto socialist government that they decided was, in fact, what happened in the last 24 months
oovps. on substantive grounds you can make a compelling argument that while the president was to the left on a lot of things, he was not in trotsky land. should i do this. >> joe, i was there in '68, chicago was on fire. he said pat, take some pictures. >> real quick. i said burn the tapes. >> i told him, burn the tapes! but jon meacham, i remember a cover that you did for "newsweek" back in, it must have been february or march of 2009. we're all socialists now. >> we're all socialists now. a play on, our character of the morning, richard nixon who said we're all keynesians now. we're all socialists. your former boss, the 43rd president took steps to increase the role of government in the
economy in a historic way. it was a crisis. he still i think is very touchy about it. if you go back and look at his last press conference. >> talking about george w. bush. >> who said a lot of people are mad at me because of the free market ideology. but if you're sitting there and somebody is telling you the world is about to end -- my view is left and right don't mean quite what they used to mean when you have a republican president who spent the money he spent, who did an unfunded prescription drug mandate, who really -- entitlement and drove up the deficit in a way that is still being dealt with. >> that's one of the great ironies of last night is barack obama did pay for expanding the government. i said it time and again, i'm a small government conservative. but how ironic that he paid in part for bailouts of the banks that began with bush, for bailouts of fannie and freddie that began with bush. for bailouts of the auto
industry that began with bush. a stimulus package that bush did a year earlier, one spring earlier. deficits increased, yes, they did. under bush they went from 5.7 to 11 trillion. i just wonder if this is not more of a rejection of both parties than it is the democratic party. >> i think the seeds of the tea party were certainly laid during the bush presidency. last night, what's devastating for the white house is independents and women sided with republicans, not that the tea party was borne of the spending that began of the bush years. >> women, catholics, independents, people making less than $40,000, all the big swing groups, mika, went republican. >> okay. so when you look at the results today, but when you look at the two parties, what makes them different right now or what makes them the same? >> mike barnicle, i'll tell you what makes the two parties different right now. i think we'll see it play out.
the republicans got elected. the ones that got elected are listening to marco rubio, and they're listening to the message, we're not here because they like us, we're here because they don't like them. oh, by the way, they didn't like us when bush was in office either. i'm talking about the house and senate members that spent so much money. i think there is going to be a very big difference on fiscal issues moving forward. >> first of all, marco rubio off of last night's performance is this year's republican version of barack obama, if you listen to his acceptance speech last night. secondly, to your point, joe, i would hope that the republicans who won last night at the congressional level and the state level, look at the results and realize that i think a lot of people went to the polls and voted for them, not thinking these people are really great, thinking, rather, these people are really different. that's i think accounting for a large part of the victory. the other aspect, and you raised
it, why should we be so surprised at what happened yesterday given the fact that in the fall of 2008 the bank bailout began under a republican president, continued under a democratic president. i think it was the ignition factor for sub blim nall class warfare in this country. the banks were bailed out. and then people began to look at the banks being bailed out as they were losing their homes, as they were losing their jobs thinking, wait a minute, you bailed out the big boys. my life is collapsing. >> right. let's, before we go to break here, because we have more democrats than republicans here. that's a shock being in midtown manhattan. >> we need a show of hands. >> certainly a lot of democrats at home. let's look for a silver lining, john heilemann. >> oh, there is one. >> you are the marxist correspondent for "new york magazin
magazine". >> i think she just got promoted to chief. >> chief marxist correspondent. >> that's a big job in manhattan. a lot of ground to cover. >> a huge job. is it really a sign of how bad things were for democrats last night, that their one bright spot was harry reid? >> yeah. >> you can laugh, by the way, because if harry reid is your good news, i don't want to hear your bad news. >> it was a bright spot. keeping the senate majority leader in place is obviously a victory for the party and one people didn't expect. but to be the marxist correspondent, let's just remember that all this devastation would have been different, might not have happened if we had 4.5 or 5% gdp growth and unemployment two points lower. the reason i make the point, obviously that's not the case. fwou mike's point, a lot of the spending seemed inefficient fektal to people. were they against spending or against inefficient fektal spending. two years from now if the
economy is starting to grow and starting to hum and unemployment starting to drop, this whole thing could look like a marriage. >> harry reid, that was a big save, that was a big save with the mood of this country. >> a huge save. >> i was surprised. >> we talked about it here on the show. i've seen it time and time again. i saw it with john ensign in 1998, harry reid figures out how to win close races. willie geist who is next on the big show here at studio 8h. >> out in the green room. harold ford has the most important thing, the studio audience is getting the book on the way out. mark halperin, you told me all along that harry reid was in the fight of his political life. >> i enjoyed that political cliche for several days. >> he won the fight. >> john ridley, dressed all in black, of course mourning the democratic losses today. >> it was more morning the loss of sharron angle. i really thought she was going to change things around. i don't know what we're going to do at this point. a sad day in politics. we'll recover, keep on moving.
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donny deutsch's hands. >> it's going to be okay. i'll get you some sauve for that. >> the rash is from drink yeager meister with pat buchanan. >> jon is here along with nicolle. >> you look at rand paul. you look at marco rubio and a lot of these people. you always say, what's the difference? what are they going to do? they're going to shake things up. they are small government conservatives, and they're going to challenge democrats, but also challenge old bulls in the republican party. is that good? >> i was kind of flinching when rand paul was talking. i flinched when john boehner was crying last night, telling his wonderful story. three out of ten americans have been affected directly by people losing their jobs. four out of ten americans in the polls say they are financially worse off than two years ago. eight out of ten americans say
it's the economy, stupid, we know that. what do republicans get up and say? all they say is less government, less government, less government. jobs. i still have not -- i don't know if i'll be here, somebody ask rand paul how are we going to create jobs? this is what i want from marco rubio. they can no longer be the party of no. it's been a great stand to go no, no, no. what are you going to do? show me the money. i don't have the answer. not to defend barack obama. i don't know other than tone what he could have done differently. obviously the health care mess is not great. we're in a cycle, a deleveraging cycle. this economy is where it is. until we come and cycle out of it -- >> donny, let me tell you. you actually know the answer. if you listen to business people on both sides of the aisle. i talked to democratic ceos and republican ceos all say the same thing. there are billions of dollars on the sidelines.
they want to invest, but there's too much indecision in washington. they don't know how obama changes the tax structure, the regulatory structure. they don't know about the debt levels. they know that now, even if there's gridlock in washington, ceos can say, all right, i know the next two years aren't going to be as tumultuous. >> you're saying gridlock is better than complete uncertainty? >> for people that own business that have billions of dollars, i trust you in the next quarter. you will see them start investing in the economy again because they don't have to worry about new over reaching legislation from washington. a big survey, pat of cfos just released by duke university said their number one concern was indecision out of washington, d.c. and that's why they weren't investing in the economy. even if there's gridlock, that's good news for people out of work. >> i think if they extend all the tax cuts, joe, and they get servitude there, that's the best
thing that can happen. donny has a point. it didn't work. the republican way is, what, how do you cut taxes further when you have a deficit that's 10% of your entire gross national product. >> when you go out drinking all night, it ruins. >> i'm too old for donny to convert me. >> donny, barack obama comes to you and says you're like an ad guy. boy, i really took winning hand and threw it away. what do i do, donny, moving forward? >> the great news is obama has a reset button. the worst thing that could happen to them, and it wasn't going to happen if the democrats sell the house. he has all the blame and no power going forward. >> the white house was saying that beforehand privately. >> basically he has to get up there and say, you know what? i was an agent of change and i believe in what i did. but the american people have spoken, and almost throw the ball to republicans. i want to work with you guys. make them the target.
right now there's a new target, what are you guys going to do? go tag, you're it. what are we going to do together? it's a great chance for him to reinvent himself. >> say we're going to cut spending and cut taxes. what does obama say then when the left wing of his party says we're not going there? >> he says what clinton said, show me where you're going to cut. and then he attacked us for the next two years and got re-elect re-elected. >> very interesting. as a guy who ran a business. when your business was in trouble as the government is and you had to cut, what i would do is bring my ten top people and say, guess what? 6% across the board cut. that takes all the politics out of it. if somebody had the courage to get up there and say, guess what, other than defense, everything gets cut 5%. >> i have to correct you. include defense.
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this race has been called, but the fight is far from over. the bell that just rang isn't the end of the fight, it's the start of the next round. >> i know you all to be gracious people. i am so proud to call you friends because we know how to win and we know how to lose. and we've done this graciously, and we will accept these things knowing that we have a future here. >> all right. two minutes past the top of the hour. welcome back to the special post election edition of "morning joe" live from historic studio 8h here at rockefeller center. msnbc and "time" magazine senior political analyst mark halperin still with us. and the host of msnbc's
"hardball" christmas thank you. the wall street journal's peggy noonan and author, screen writer and founder of the website thatminoritything.com, john ridley joining us this morning. a lot to talk about. >> so chris matthews, i think the takeaway last night is that in politics, even in wave years, good political candidates make a difference as do bad ones. sharron angle lost a race she should never have lost. christine o'donnell lost a race that mike castle would have won. i want to go to another race. ohio. any other years, kasich would have won that. ted strickland, a good candidate kept it close to the end. waves sometimes can't affect these races if you don't have a bad candidate. >> i believe in democracy a lot.
i think people are rational and almost all voting makes sense given the times. and i believe that people are romantic about it, like peggy and i. we have dreams. we love certain candidates. i don't think this was a particularly heartfelt election. i think it was a cold, ruthless, cleaning of the house in many ways. what struck me, if i were in the white house right now, i call it scranton oshkosh wipeout. i've been thinking about it for days, i've seen it coming. it was an absolute fact that from scranton all the way through wisconsin everybody lost. all the industrial center of the country. we've been hollowed out industrially marx was wrong about a lot of things, but he understood politics. these middle age guys in their 60s and 50s have lost their economic security because what they used to make for a living isn't being made in this country anymore. businesses are not hiring american workers on a permanent
basis anymore. it's very wind swept. let's hire someone freelance. we're not hiring anybody. what they do is out source. if you live anywhere in that area, the part of the country that makes things, you're in trouble. the guys who root for the bears and the browns, regular guys, tim russert kind of guys, regular guys across the country are really, really worried about the fact they can't provide for their families. this is serious business here. the president has got to get in with those people's heads and hearts and root for them and help them. he's not doing it. the elite on both coasts with the ivy league educations, the silicon valley, barbara boxer, jill leb brand, andrew cuomo, all those people up and down the cows. leahy had no race. in the part of the country that will matter this next election, they are in deep trouble. they better realize they lost strickland and these other people because they haven't
looked out for those people. that's a problem. >> peggy, this has been an ongoing problem with president obama. it was when he was running against hillary. he lost pennsylvania by double digits in the primary. he lost ohio. he lost so many states in the middle of america and you would think they'd learn what chris matthews was saying. the fact is he was at a boston fund-raiser a couple weeks ago and said these people are hard wired to be fearful and, for the most part, ignorant. who was going to go talk to to temperature of the united states. from scranton, pennsylvania, to oshkosh, wisconsin. >> well, somebody should. i think it's obvious that the president has problems with his policies. i do think this entire election was at the very least the american people saying, we don't
like what you've been doing for 18 months. >> so it's not a communication problem? >> it is in part. the president often seems to be analyzing the electorate as opposed to part of the electorate and he analyzes in an academic manner as president buchanan who just left, said, there's a lot of faculty lounge in what he just said. a lot of sitting around and extracting on the american people. something you said earlier about the feel of this election, one of the things we saw i think last night is that it is not only the message that counts in politics. it is the messenger. those who seem a little too unusual, a little too on the edge or in some cases a little nuts did not do well. >> exactly. they did not. >> you are new yorkers, you know what i'm saying. >> john ridley, what does the
president say at 1:00 today? >> i have no idea, but i would imagine. i think he has to acknowledge what happened. george bush came out and said we took a thumping. there's something plain about that. you realize that things didn't works out as well as you would hope. you're still in the game very much. you have the house. you have the senate, there are a bunch of people you're going to have to work with. a bunch of people coming in. you're going to have to work with each other. i think it's about recalibrating the message. the president has done pretty well over the last 20 months, $240 billion in tax cuts for the middle class. five consecutive quarters of growth. t.a.r.p. which is not totally his but will probably end up in the black for taxpayers, most people don't know that. they have no idea. they didn't run on it. they didn't explain it. the president should have been out in front of health care. he wasn't out in front of it. he wasn't out behind it. over the summer after it passed,
the numbers started goings up favorably. they left it out there. i think the problem is, certainly there are policies that people are not crazy about. if you're selling something and you're not out there getting behind it and saying this is why you should buy into this, this is what we're doing for you, then yeah, it's going to be left to the other people filling that that vacuum. >> chris matthews, you hear from top democratic senators, you're friends with most of them. i've been hearing from them for a year and a half saying we've got to get somebody the white house that understands what you've been talking about. we need an ed rendell. you could say a chris matthews or anybody that understands what it's like to campaign in the rust belt in pennsylvania or in ohio or in illinois or indiana. there's nobody -- there's nobody in there that can reach out to him and say we've got to get you in there.
weave got to get you to oshkosh, we've got to get you to cranston. >> i think of the gulf oil spill and the reaction to that, and that complete disconnect with the pain that a huge section of the country was feeling tonely. >> so much has to be done. there's competence. we understand our military chain of command. that's where we like it. the joint chiefs and secretary of defense. we know who has the power of the button and everything, the black box, the football. we know how it works. we like that. we understand the military. we know how the orders are given, it comes down and gets things done down at the platoon level. the problem with this white house, there's no sense of the chief of staff. i don't know who it is. there's no chief of staff who seems like a grownup. my dream chief of staff is jim baker. the president knew what he wanted to do, he told jim baker what he wanted done. and jim baker did it every day. i don't know who that person is today. >> somebody like tom daschle. >> i asked retired admiral allen during the oil spill?
well, i of course report to janet napolitano, homeland security, one of the worst-named injuries in history. they should have changed it to civil defense. this isn't god damned russia, not a father land. we're not a neocon country. >> it's nazi -- >> you know why they use the word homeland, they had other places they want to defend, not just this country. we're not the home islands. this is it. this is the only place we have a right to defend. this is civil defense. gets some language. they said they had -- first of all, stimulus is the worst word in history. i don't know what it mean. throw the money out the window, that's what most people think of stimulus. it's called peeing it away.
>> what did you use do with the money? stimulus. 95% of the money, 100% is going directly to recipients or you don't give them money. this is all administrative costs. no reality to it. david garth, the great political consultant, think he's still with us, said you have to replace the smell of decay with the smell of construction. people like shovels. they watch buildings going up. they love the golden gate bridge, they love the washington monument, they love things that go up and are real. what has this government done? does it ever build anything? nothing. the frogs are going 365 miles an hour in france. the chinese go 300 miles an hour. we've got amtrak. we're going to build monahan station. >> chris look, look. >> chris, bring this in for a landing. we'll go back to you.
>> with us now, hartford, connecticut and talk to senator elect richard blumenthal. senator, congratulations on a very big win last night. it was a tough race. it obviously started out very tough for you. but my gosh, at the end you pulled away. what was the key? >> the key really was that the people of connecticut know me, they know my record of getting results, standing up to big special interests and corporate powers. i fought the utilities when they raised electricity race and the pharmaceutical drug companies when they overcharged us, big tobacco and internet providers when they endangered our children and health insurers when they denied coverage. in all those fights people of connecticut know they got results, won for them, stood up for them. that record of getting results i think made a big difference at a time when people are angry and frustrated that washington isn't getting the job done or listening even to them. and i think that record carried
the day. >> mika, you said from the beginning of this race, even when things looked dark for the senator, you worked in connecticut for a long time. you said they know him. >> they do. >> they've known him for a long time. he's going to weather this storm. >> i covered him as a young budding reporter in connecticut over the past 20 years. of course, the dark days you're talking about are his statements about his service in vietnam and whether or not he actually went there. and senator elect blumenthal, i want to ask you, because this was one of your toughest races, if not your toughest. what have you learned during this campaign? >> i've learned that people are angry and frustrated and rightly so because washington isn't listening. they want someone in their corner who will fight for them. again, some of the special interests -- for example, the corporations that have loopholes in our tax laws to send jobs overseas and those loopholes cost us $200 billion over a period of years. the sweetheart deal that has
been agreed to by both republicans and democrats that provide that drug prices under medicare can't be negotiated. again, costing us $200 billion or more over a period of years. special energy interests that have giveaways and tax breaks. people are angry and frustrated by the size of the deficit and debt. i've learned a lot about the reasons people are angry and frustrated. >> all right. >> all right senator elect richard blumenthal, thank you so much. congratulations. >> thank you, congratulations. >> thank you. >> good luck with the great state of connecticut. >> peggy, i want to follow up on something chris matthews said to you. he talked about how you loved politics, you love politics. i do obviously. i don't care who is getting inaugurated. i was even excited when bill clinton got inaugurated and the guy drove me crazy. i feel your pain. i'm like, he's lying! but there are those of us who believe in america who don't
root against our president and i've been trying to tell republicans for the past two years, and i know you have, too, keep calm and carry on. if they go too far out this way, the voters will slap them back. you want to give that message to democrats this morning? don't worry, don't foam at the mouth, keep calm and carry on? james madison, pretty smart guy. >> yeah. we're about to enter a time of divided government. we've seen some real progress happen in divided government when one party has the house and another party has the presidency. look, we all love elections. we love what happened yesterday in terms of america seizing its future and saying we're going down this path, not that path. but one of the great things that happened in the election i think is the two great parties got chastened. the democrats, powerful democratic figures had to really
fight for their jobs and really were seriously challenged, the senate democratic head had to really fight. he had the scare of his life. all right. he goes back to washington, chastened and informed by the american public. he's not going to be so dreamy about oh, they'll love what i do and i'll make them love it. the republicans are chastened, also. they had a big victory, but the party establishment realized it was out of touch with the grassroots of its party. do you know what i mean? they got an education, too. everyone got a little educated here. that's a good thing. they'll go into washington maybe -- it says something that the republicans last night didn't go crazy and out doing fireworks and fire crackers. they were a little low key about it because they understand the american people are slapping us upside the head here. we have to listen. >> looking ahead to the president having a news conference at 1:00 eastern time. i want to hear your opinions coming up on what you think he should say and what the
opportunity is, chris matthews. >> don't bring the teleprompter. >> willie, what do you have coming up next? >> we're up here in the yellow seats where it's just now dawning on people that three hours is a long time for a television show. we're an hour and 15 minutes into it. max and ernest here from brooklyn. ernest very excited about republicans wearing the all-red suit. >> not at all, just to dispel any confusion, not republican red. this represents the democratic blood bath. that's what this red suit is about today. not a republican. >> fair enough, guys. up next on "morning joe," nikki haley, a big one win for her. she'll be moving into the governor's mansion in south carolina. harry reid will be with us and doris kearns goodwin from studio 8h at 30 rock.
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i want you to know, i'm going there and i intend to work with everyone who is willing to put their country first. if you put the country first, i don't care whether you're a democrat, republican, liberal, conservative, business or labor. that's how we do it and it works well. the country will be much better off because of that. >> welcome back to "morning joe," 22 past the hour. live in studio 8h, joining us now pulitzer prize-winning author and presidential
historian doris kearns goodwin. doris, welcome. looking fabulous. >> thank you. >> doris, in 1994 you could look at the republican landslide and say this is a continuation of 1980. it moved the reagan revolution into the house. last night, though, was less about party and more about a total rejection i think of both parties. they rejected republicans in '08. they rejected democrats last night. we're in a new era, aren't we? >> i could greent with you more. in the old days people really belonged to a party, you were democrat, catholic, republican, protestant. you would sing songs. ♪ happy days are here again or n. get on a raft with taft ♪ which was a problem because he weighed 300 pounds. >> the biggest bathtub in history. >> the point was, that was your life. when you had a big
transformative election, it was because whole generations changed. i don't think we can say what's going to happen two years from now because were hangry yesterday. they're upset and understandably. it's probably 16% unemployment which means everybody knows somebody who is anxious, who has lost their pension. so they said to both parties, you're not dealing with our problems. they could flip on a dime two years from now in the same way. >> chris, a remarkable moment in doris's extraordinary brooklyn con johnson where this powerful president has been badgering her to go to texas and write his book. and she goes in the night of january 19th, 1969. they've stripped everything out of the oval office. there's lyndon johnson, this giant of american politics tearing um, a broken man saying, i've got no power.
all i can do is beg you to come to texas and help me. and i've got to say, that's why i love america. i love america because anybody that believes that they own this country, that they own these voters will always, always be taught a lesson. republicans were taught the lesson in '08. democrats were taught it last night. you listen to the voters or the voters send you home. >> i've never seen it happen this quickly, a presidential hold on the public. i think something -- i don't know whether -- it's easy to look backwards and say how brilliant we all are. but the economic decline that was in progress when he came into office and continued with velocity after he got in, the growth in the unemployment rate to the fact it's up in the teens in reality, and something -- he didn't seem to deal with that. i'm not sure -- lincoln had to
explain the war all the time. roosevelt had to explain the war and certainly churchill did. all the way you have to explain what you're doing. you have to explain costs. lincoln had to say, the bible, slavery is what we're paying for here. the public has never understood why we're in this decline. what is going on? this is not an economic cycle. this is not the normal recession. nobody is explaining what's going on. >> chris matthews, you're exactly right. >> really serious. >> both parties are so blind to this fact. democrats are engaginging in keynesian reductionism. let's throw money at the problem and it will take care of it. republicans say tax cuts, tax cuts. we can't spend our way our cut taxes out of this cycle. it's a reset, mika. we are at a new stage in not only american politics, but with our economy. >> the scenario you describe has led to our next guest. joining us now from bowling green, kentucky, senator elect
rand paul. welcome to the show. congratulations. >> you know, rand, we have you and bloom that back-to-back. both have kind of rough springs. we asked senator blumenthal how he got through it. i'll ask you the same question. how do you get through a very rocky start to your general election campaign and what lessons did you learn? >> i don't remember the rocky start part. basically i remember smooth sailing the whole time. >> you are an optimist, aren't you? all right. >> sort of like giving birth. you forget the pain. trust me. >> were you surprised last night by the margin of your victory? >> well, we think it had been solidifying really in the last week or two. we kind of felt like it was going to be a big sweep. we were pretty happy about it. >> was the turning point -- do you believe the turning point in
this campaign when your faith was questioned by your opponent? >> yeah, and i think what's good about this is i hope it sends a signal that really in politics there's no place for attacking someone's faith, and really the personal attacks don't work and they backfire. maybe we'll get less of that in the future. >> rand, let me ask you this, i know it's been a very long night. i want you to touch on something marco rubio touched on. to be blunt, what i've been talking about for the past five years. that is, the republican party had nobody to blame but themselves for the blood bath they experienced two years ago. are you going to go to washington, d.c. and talk to old republican bulls in the senate and tell them we're not going to make the same mistakes we made during the bush era? >> well, do you think they're going to listen to me, joe? we'll see. i think what i would say is that the tea party has always been
equal parts chastisement to both parties over the debt. i ran in the pry care claim that the republicans doubled the debt and the democrats are tripling the debt. i think there's blame to go around. but we need to acknowledge it's a spending problem, not a revenue problem. >> and finally, let me ask you to assess what happened with the tea party last night. obviously you won. rubio won. sharron angle wasn't as fortunate. christine o'donnell wasn't as fortunate. what do you take away from the results coast to coast for the tea party? what did it mean? >> i think it's an argument still for term limits. it's very difficult to beat an incumbent. incumbents run by saying that they bring home the bacon. but what i've been telling people is that, you know, we've picked the pig clean. there's no bacon to bring home
unless we borrow it from china. they need to acknowledge there really is no money to bring home. we're not spending from our savings. we're borrowing it from china or japan or simply printing the money up which is not good for the country. >> you just gave me my bummer sticker tore my next campaign "just say no to chinese bacon." rand paul, congratulations. >> we'll be right back. >> i want to say something really quickly. peggy, one of the things that angered me the most -- you know i try to stay calm. one of the things that angered me the most is when i saw republicans in 2008 saying send me to washington, i will cut spending, i will cut taxes, i will balance the budget. and it would drive me crazy. rand paul, whether you love him or don't love his politics, rand paul is going to go to washington and he's going to force republicans to do what they claim they support, cut spending. >> because he means it.
he means it. it's why he won. it's why he was elected. he is a serious guy about policy. he's not going to go along to get along. he's not a partisan. he wants the right thing to happen. >> we'll be right back with chuck todd and david gregory on a special edition of "morning joe" live from studio 8h at 30 rock. - i was drafted.
all right. welcome back to a special edition of "morning joe" live in studio 8h. we'll give you a rundown of some of the races not called yet. we'll start with washington. the senate race there, patty murray at 50%. dino rossi, 50%. alaska, the write-in candidate lisa murkowski at 40%. miller at 35, scott mcadams at 24. colorado, neck and neck right now. the florida gubernatorial race is not called yet as well with rick scott at 49% and alex sink at 48%. we'll keep watching those. willie, what do you have? >> we have a little family feud right in the audience, all the way from winston salem, north carolina. tell us about the shirts. >> my mom and i watch "morning joe" every morning and get together every night and debate. we're here and my mom said let's get shirts.
>> the red shirts are happy today and the blue states? >> sad. >> thank you so much for tlav elg all the way from winston salem, north carolina. up next on "morning joe," live from inside studio 8h at 30 rock, senate majority leader harry reid wins the big fight in nevada. we'll talk to him next on "morning joe." in times like these, you need an experienced partner to look out for you. heads up! and after 300 years we have gotten pretty good at that. lord of the carry-on. sovereign of the security line. you never take an upgrade for granted. and you rent from national.
>> welcome back to "morning joe." a special edition live in studio 8h, joining us live, the moderator of "meet the press" david gregory. also with us, nbc news chief white house correspondent, political director and co-host of "the daily rundown" chuck todd. doris kearns goodwin and chris matthews also still with us. >> russ feingold. on to 2012. wow. >> chuck has been talking about this for weeks. that was pretty forward leaning i must say. what's interesting about that, when i heard that, remember that the ground that he could carve -- if you look at the exit polling. afghanistan didn't loom large in this election on election day, but this is a big issue for the base of the democratic party, and this is a voice that could emerge as a real anti-war voice at a time, as we get pressing
the next summer when you start to get a withdrawal, maybe you don't have as many troops coming out of there. it could be an animating issue for those on the left for obama. >> we'll get chuck todd's reaction to that as well as chris matthews and doris kearns goodwin. but first -- >> a big save. >> -- a big save. the silver lining for the democratic party. with us now from las vegas, still nat senator and still champion of nevada, harry reid. senator reid, i remember back in i think it was 1988 somebody called connie mack laz russ. i don't know if we could call you laz ras, but last night was a big surprise for a lot of people. what made the difference in nevada for you? >> joe, first let me say it wasn't a surprise to you. you indicated i would win. next time you talk to chuck, you should rub that in a little bit.
>> why don't we do that right now. >> senator, i've got good news for you, the second bit of good news because i know you always win these close races, and a lot of people say that the union doesn't pack the punch they used to pack. but i have seen it time and time again. they come out for you and they're loyal, and chuck todd is to my left and so you can rub it in on him right now. but what was it, though. a five-point gap. even i didn't see that coming. i thought you would win by 1%. what happened? >> the people of nevada know who i am. they always understand that i don't try to be somebody i'm not. and there was a choice to be made. it was a clear choice. and the people of nevada responded very well for me. for me, winning by five points is really a big race. i won difficult 41,000 votes. i carried 3 of the 17 counties but i carried the two most pop laos counties, and the one i
carried in 1986, mineral county. i feel very good about what happened last night. i know that my feeling good is not the answer to the question. as i said last night, it's not about me. it's about us. and we have to work together. we have so many problems in this country that we can't have people saying no to everything. we've got to be able to understand the way the senate operates. the senate operates different than the house. i'm looking forward to talking
to mitch mcconnell later on. >> what's the reason for hope? so many people look at a divided government and they think that's going to spell bad news, it's going to spell gridlock. sometimes our politicians surprise us. what can you look forward to with a democratic president and senate and a republican house? what can you guys accomplish? >> first of all, we need to look at history. you can go back to where we have a presidency that has found itself in a deep, deep hole as roosevelt did, as obama did. and during the first congress of that first term, different things happen than in the second term. we're now in the second term. history dictates that we have to work together. gridlock will not do the trick. and i am overwhelmingly impressed with our ability to work together. that's what history is, and i am confident we can do that. >> chuck todd? >> thanks forgiving me grief there. appreciate that. what is your advice to claire mccaskill, john tester, jim webb, sherrod brown. these are guys elected in 2006
and are going to be running for re-election, i think you hope in 2012. i'm sure you don't want them retiring at this point. what's your advice to them on surviving? what will you tell them, if they come to you and say, okay, senator reid, you're our leader, you want to stay our leader. tell me how you're going to lead us so i can survive re-election in 2012? >> the only way we're going to work together, as i've indicated is just do that. these are all experienced politicians. all the five that you named are experienced. they're good people. and they'll try to do the right thing for their states. if we continue down that road and they continue down that road, just do what they think is right for their state and the country, they're going to be just fine. i think what i have found that doesn't work for people is try to be somebody you're not. i've never done that. people never have to guess where i stand on an issue. i would recommend that to everybody, not only those five, but everybody else. be who you are.
>> senator harry reid, you did it again. congratulations and good luck over the next two years. >> thanks, you guys. >> thank you. >> david, chuck just named a list of democratic senators from pretty red states. they're going to have to adjust, aren't they? >> well, this is not a static moment. the influence of the tea party, the influence of conservatives who want smaller government is now really going to be felt in congress. those who are up for re-election are going to have to adjust. i'd like to hear senator read respond to the fact that the voters were repudiating government intervention in the economy at a time of great economic upheaval, stimulus, bailouts, health care. the voters have spoken. he's going to have to have accountability for all of that as he talks about working with the other side. >> so, too, are the republicans. >> chris, we talked about the republican conservatives. on the democratic side, you've got joe manchin and you better believe jim webw is going to be right next to him along with claire mccaskill.
>> there's going to be moderate conservative democrats out there or there won't with a democratic party. simple as that. >> willie, what's next? >> mike barnicle taking full advantage of the full baked goods. gene robinson has been up for about 24, 48 hours? >> yeah. we were in the chair for eight hours plus. >> ready for some more punditry then? >> oh, yeah. i have plenty more to say. >> what was your big takeaway last night? >> ouch for the dems. ouch. talk about a message election, it was a message. it was comprehensive, and people better listen. >> more with gene robinson and lawrence o'donnell. more baked goods with mike barnicle when "morning joe" comes back in studio 8h at 30 rock. ♪
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those were great. >> do you really question that -- hold on a second. do you really question that rand paul is going to have any problems talking about cutting things? >> absolutely. >> you don't understand rand paul. >> i understand him. >> you don't understand marco rubio. >> tell me. this man who said last night we're enslaved by debt. tell me what he's going to do when he's asked to filibuster by the tea party the increase in the debt ceiling which as you know is now $14.3 trillion. has to be raised this year. he will not do it because he's a politician now. >> if you want me to answer the question, i'll answer the question. do you know what he's going to do? the first thing he's going to do is something that republicans haven't done that republicans need to do. he's going to start questioning why we're in afghanistan. he's going to start questioning why we as a country are spending
$2.7 billion a week on an unwinnable war and talk about social security and talk about medicare. he's going to be pushing -- >> what's he going to advocate we do with social security? >> you are really wired. >> you could have asked him. he was here. he's never coming back. he's never going to do my show because i'm going to ask him what he would actually do after he takes the oath of office. >> old on a second, lawrence. i understand you haven't gotten a lot of sleep. i understand you are a hollywood guy and you are used to working two hours a day and going in your trailer and getting drunk but please, let me tell you that we already heard from some of these candidates and how they're going to be different from old establishment republicans. marco rubio from florida -- >> what is he going to cut?
>> please let me finish a sentence. marco rubio in a florida debate with charlie crist when his political future was on the line suggested raising the social security age to 70. anybody that has ever run for office in florida understands or in america by the way how dramatic but especially in an ageing florida. mitch mcconnell's biggest problem is not going to be harry reid. mitch mcconnell's biggest problem is going to be rand paul, tom coburn, jim demint, marco rubio, it's going to be a new -- >> rand paul's biggest problem is going to be rand paul because he's not going to be able to do he told people he's going to do. i want to invite to you gloat, joe. how many times did you sit here in the last two years and hear people say to you democrats have to pass health care. they have to pass this bill that has a majority unpopularity
response in the united states. they have to pass it in order to win their re-elections. how many times did people sit here and say that and you just had to roll your eyes and, go, when have they ever succeeded by passing something america didn't want? gloat. please take your time. >> i'm not going to gloat. i will say this though. i am excited once again that the theory that there are pendulum swings in america was blown up. there are not pendulum swings in america. america is already right. when they go too far right, they elect bill clinton. when bill clinton goes too far left, they elect people like newt gingrich to run congress. when president obama gets elected because of george bush's mistakes and he goes too far left and they bring him back. this is the good news. i get so sick and tired of
republicans -- when democrats get elected to president, they act like the world is coming to an end. the great thing about america, even in the '60s, the center always holds. it always holds and that's great news. >> maybe we have to stop talking about earthquakes and tsunamis. there are little rolls that are happening as we move back to the center. >> we're back in the center again. >> i spoke to a republican this week who said the cultural test to your point is whether they will deal with earmarks or pet projects for the budget and there will be a lot of debates within the republican caucus about this. it's a big story to be played out. are they going to manage this within the party? >> following up on what lawrence said, how do we know republicans are going to be different this time? the most important election of 2010 for the republican caucus
did not happen last night. it happened in utah where a message was sent to a senator who by most respects was considered a good senator. republicans threw him out because they wanted more spending cuts. >> i have to say this. i think there's too much focus on republicans in the senate. the fact is john boehner gets to be on his own. and there is no check and so that's going to make mcconnell's job harder. boehner will be able to pass stuff he knows that won't pass but he can feed the base and then mcconnell and reid are going to have to deal with tea party guys in the senate going we want to deal with that. gridlock happens and ends up being boehner who will get to blame reid and the president. this is the worst outcome for the white house was this split decision. >> the angry questions about rand paul or anyone else we also have to ask, why they won last night. back in a moment with tom brokaw, andrea mitchell and eugene robinson.
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and when i saw how out of touch washington had become with core values of this great nation, i put my name forward and ran for office. >> top of the hour. welcome back to a special post-election edition of "morning joe" live from historic studio 8-h at rockefeller center. joining the table, nbc news's tom brokaw, nbc news chief foreign affairs correspondent and host of msnbc's "andrea mitchell reports," andrea mitchell, it gets better. you can believe it. columnist for "the washington post" and msnbc political analyst, eugene robinson. and also, yes, can you say infrastructure. we have the democratic governor of pennsylvania, governor ed rendell. ain't he cute? >> you know, you guys when you
get together really, really make me uncomfortable. historic night. tom brokaw, you were here back in 1980 from this studio when ronald reagan had that landslide, which was really more about electing republicans, electing conservatives, than last night. was last night a rejection not only of the democratic establishment but the republican establishment as well? i'm just talking over the last two, four, six years. >> the ronald reagan election and people forget this that in the polls going right to the final moment, we didn't know how it was going to turn out for sure. we knew there was a big undercurrent building for ronald reagan but people were not stepping up saying i'm going for the guy from california. it was an electrifying moment that night not just because of the election of ronald reagan which he swept the country. in those days, by the way, we colored republican states pblue
and democratic states red. that makes sense in terms of the historic association of color with political parties. david came on and looked at the map and john chancellor said what do you think, david. he said it reminds me of a california swimming pool. one big mass of blue. it was not just ronald reagan that was elected. george mcgovern was defeated. frank church was defeated in the senate. g gaylord nelson was defeated. the 12 who came in with ronald reagan as senators were gone. nine of them were gone six years later. they didn't survive the first term. that's a kind of cautionary tale i suppose for what we're going through now. last night was something different in part because of the tea party factor and also i don't know whether the governor agrees with this or not, but the internet is game changer in american politics. with a key stroke you can reach so many people and a lot of
people don't really vet what they're reading or seeing across the political spectrum. if they see it they are inclined to believe it, democrats and republicans alike. as a result of the rise of the independents and factor of the internet, i think we'll have more elections like we saw last night. people will be moving around a lot more. >> the independents have been moving in '06 and moved away from republicans in '08 and they continued moving toward democrats with barack obama and then in '10 they swung right back. we haven't seen this time of movement of independents in u.s. history. >> the fickle character of independents and the fact that was a firing election. fire nancy pelosi. fire the house democrats. it was not a hiring election. it wasn't hire the republicans. there's no more confidence in them. >> mitch mcconnell will say it's not about us. >> there's a grassroots anger angst if you will. people are united in their
feelings of being threatened. it's the economy. it's unemployment. it's their homes underwater. their 401(k)s gone. >> chris matthews spoke earlier about democrats being wiped out from scranton to oshkosh. that's a complete rejection in a certain region of the democratic party. we've been saying for some time the white house needed to let you run it. if barack obama asked you to be chief of staff, what would you tell him? >> it would be a horrible moment because i would have to say yes. it's the one job i don't think any red blooded american could turn down. let me again say i would be the last person that president rendell would pick for chief of staff would be ed rendell. i've been my own boss for 32 years. you know a bit about that, joe.
it's hard when you've been your own boss to work for anybody as much as you might admire them? >> would you do it? >> no question. i have a better suggestion. i think we need a chief of staff where we are at a moment for the country when the deficit commission report comes in, we have to use sarah palin's term to man up and do difficult things. democrats have to agree to cut entitlement programs. republicans have to agree to cut defense. i think all of us have to be honest with the american people. we can't have tax cuts for the next ten years and reduce the deficit. all of the cuts to domestic discretionary spending are a miniscule fraction that the tax cuts would add. we have to man up and do tough things and the only way douwe d that is together and the person who has the stature to do that would be colin powell. >> before we get to gene, i want
to try you out for the job. the president speaks at 1:00 eastern time today. what should he say? what tone should he take and where should he go from here? >> i think essentially just say what i just said. this is a time for all good men and women to come to the aid of their country and we have to start telling the truth to the american people. we're going to have gut wrenching tough decisions to make. they can't be put on hold for two years while we fight the next election battle. let's do it for the good of the country. stand together, republican and democrat, and take the heat. there will be be heat. >> gene robinson, two years ago was an historic night. two years ago on election night there were so many democrats, independents, a lot of republicans, that really stopped and said this feels good. we did something good as a country electing barack obama. what went wrong? >> how much time we got? you know, in china they have this concept of mandate of
heaven. the ruler has the mandate of heaven and at least i guess we could call it mojo instead. the obama administration doesn't really have that right now. i think it's clear that it was not just a rejection of democratic politics as usual. you have to look at policies and you have to look at priorities. >> it wasn't communication. >> it wasn't just communication. >> we keep hearing that. >> communication was a problem but better communication of policies that people believe were in the wrong order or whatever wouldn't have solved the problem. and, you know, it's not just actually if you look at the map, scranton to oshkosh is a problem but it's out to spokane.
it's really pretty comprehensive the loss in the house in terms of geographic distribution and i saw polling that "the washington post" had that seemed to indicate that younger voters, those first-time voters, came out in lower than usual numbers opposed to higher than usual numbers. >> one quick point about what the governor said about manning up. the problem i think that is going to confront these new members is these activists are coming to washington saying we want tax cuts to be extended and we don't want more government spending. so they've got two totally conflicting mandates that they are bringing to washington. and any realistic approach to this is going to be that this is a train wreck. there has to be some way of coordinating the impulse against -- >> i think it's leadership. >> they're going to compromise.
that's what happens when you have divided government. >> these are bedrock principles with rand paul. >> and barack obama has bedrock principles and james madison formed a government along with other founding fathers where people -- jefferson and adams had to figure out a way to work together. i want to ask you about state legislatures as well. tennessee, north carolina, alabama went republican for the first time. that's news enough. it's a deep south. minnesota, the legislature there went republican. wisconsin went republican. michigan elected a republican governor. ohio a total sweep. pat toomey, who was the head of club for growth, senator in pennsylvania, the new hampshire legislature went republican. nobody would have believed this two years ago. >> that's one more manifestation
of where the country is. the large independent mass is moving around and they're going to vote not all party lines or what bosses or precinct chairman told them to do but vote their interests. i've been all over the country in the last couple years and the country is divided in two parts. half is half cocked in the ticked off position is the phrase i'll use. the other half of the country gets up every morning, opens a bank, gets on backhoe, opens a car dealership, opens a hardware store, goes to work on the factory line and try to keep their family and community together and they don't believe anything that they're hearing from washington or from the financial institutions or too much of what they're hearing from us because this country has never been through this kind of a trial before. everything has been downpour ended end upended with what they believe. we know with china and india on
the rise and cost of education. people have reason to be terrified. baby boomers are not in the spending part of their live and taking part of their lives and look at 401(k) saying i don't want to be old and poor. what do i do? you saw older, white voters saying get this straightened out. we're dealing with fundamental changes. you can't look at the country the way we might have even just two years ago, joe. times have changed. >> how does the president cut through all of the noise though that's led us to this. ed and joe. >> governor rendell it seems to me that the president and mitch mcconnell and john boehner have no choice but to ignore the extremes in the blogosphere and ignore the extremes in new media and talk radio and sit down and discuss how we go forward.
i am not being polly anna here. it will happen. they have to work together. >> there are three things we can do together that are important. education bill, no child left behind reenacted. not cap and trade but a new energy bill to create mandates for energy growth and green energy jobs and thirdly infrastructure. >> here we go. >> gentlemen, thank you. andrea, thank you. great conversation. what's coming up next? >> just a few moments away interest this man, the great elvis costello. 1977 you were thrown out of this building. >> you see that corridor down there? it was that corridor i ran down. they were chasing me with a hatchet. they didn't let me back for a while. >> lauren michaels was not pleased with that. >> we get along fine. >> here's the deal, you can do whatever you want on "morning
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>> 19 past the hour. welcome back to "morning joe." we're live here in studio 8-h with mike barnicle back at the table. lawrence o'donnell is here. are you going it behave? >> we'll see. tom brokaw is here so it's a new act. >> i'm thinking also because elvis is in the building. sing eer songwriter elvis costello. we'll hear a song live from your new album in just a bit. >> and tom brokaw is here. this new album is great. you hope there was a middle part whether it was band on the run or whether it was born to run or you're album. this is nice. >> it's a double lp.
i managed to sneak that past people who want to put a big sticker on it. a rising amount of currency on this thing. it's called "national ransom." have something that's worth going back to. others it disappears. >> we'll talk politics. at 20 past the hour we'll go to mike allen, chief political correspondent for politico. you have inside information about what the president is going to say during his 1:00 address, mike? >> i just talked to a white house official who had the beginnings of an i get it message. a little touch of humor. we were swept in by a big wave so we get what waves are and we recognize that they have messages that have to be heeded. this person said that the voters clearly want the two sides to work together cooperatively on the economy and the deficit. they say that they will do that.
they said that senate was a little better than they thought it would be. the house was a little worse than they thought it would be. they saw it coming but it didn't make it any better. there are lessons for us and we will take them but there were also lessons for the other side that this was not a vote for more obstruction, more partisanship. >> mike allen, thanks very much. >> lawrence, do you think they really do get it? does the president understand he needs to turn on -- you don't think so. >> no. >> such a wet blanket. >> very important numbers in the exit poll which bear out what we talked about on this set for a year. the question is how wise is it to legislate something that a majority of the country is opposed to. 53% opposed to the health care bill saying democrats have to pass something. exit polls, government doing too much. 56%. government should do more, which is liberal argument obama wasn't liberal enough. he didn't do enough.
government should do more. 39%. the big problem on the issue of repeal. repeal has been talked about as something that republicans won't dare do. 65 and over voters, 58% of them want repeal. they are the group that want repeal. the average for the country is 48%. that's all voters. 48% want repeal. 58% over 65. i wonder why? $500 bhl billion came from their program, medicare. let's take it out of health care for 65 -- other things also. let's take it out of health care for people 65 and over and they're looking at that saying the pie is only so big. and who are the most reliable turnout vote every time? 65 and over. this is a very dangerous situation. >> the other piece of that and you are quite right, the other piece of that is that we're
coming up against what is left with medicare and what we're going to do about that. >> exactly. >> about indexing it and means testing for it and changing it. when you talk to the tea party members they say we're going after everything except seniors, veterans, and defense budgets. guess what? that's where the federal budget is, 65% and discretionary spending moves it up to 80% when you talk about roads and national parks and so on. >> by the way, mike barnicle, lawrence and i were talking about health care. we knew this would end -- we've seen this story before. we knew it was going to end badly. we also understand where medicare and social security is going end up. politicians on both sides can demigog it all they want. there are three people working for one person on social security. when baby boomers retire, two people working for one person on social security.
why don't politicians say they will have to do means testing for wealthy americans. that's the reality whether they admit it or not. >> the simple answer is they don't have the courage to do that. this is larger number hovering over those exit poll numbers and larger number and more significant number is 401(k). millions of people have seen their retirement income disappear. now you have a whole group of people. you're talking about the age factor in there. measure it from 55 to 65 or 68 people who were planning to retire. they cannot retire. they're going to have to stay in the workforce if they have a job and they'll cling to that job. no one younger is going to get that be job. for the first time in their lifetimes, they now either have been laid off, know people who have been laid off and loss their home. >> we talked how there's a change.
we were pushing the reset button. 1977 elvis, you burst onto the scene. >> it's not going to be about medicare. >> it is. >> i hope it is. >> you look at what happened whether sex pistols in '76 or what did you. there was pent-uppin anger in britain and an old empire was getting older and tired. do you think america in 2010 is where britain was in the mid '70s? >> i'm just a man with a bladder on a stick. that's not my role to say that. >> that's a great image. i will carry that with me the rest of the day. >> that's what i do. i have american born sons and i'm told that you come over here and express your opinions and you have no entitlement. i pay my taxes in america and have done for 30 years. i guess i don't get to vote but i can sing about things that
matter to me. of course i grew up in a very different society. we did have, you know, public health care. i'm here because of it. i am always a little bit -- i find it a bit bewilderring as an outsider to this society, that people don't have a philosophical objection to this national parks as a resource owned by everybody and if it was properly managed i think it could be properly explained people would see the benefit in taking care of people in society. unfortunately it turns into a point scoring game of this formula and that formula and these experts over here and we get to the point where we have -- it's like lawyers. you need a lawyer to explain to you the problem that you have so you can sue somebody and then they can come up with a bunch of complicated points to explain why that isn't going to happen.
as an outsider i think it's a failure to explain whatever the political position. >> joe, we come back to what we were talking about in the 6:00 hour. what we have here is failure to communicate. the greatest political communicator of our generation, never communicated. never explained how health care reform could truly benefit the american people. >> if that were possible, if it was a thing that could be explained, it would have been explained. whenever you get into political analysis and start saying it's a failure of communication, then the choice, the thing you've chosen to communicate, if it cannot be communicated was a mistake. they legislated something that no one understood. i believe they should have gone farther left and be willing to lose. meaning say what we want to do is expand medicare. now, you could lose that vote but what you won't do with that is confuse people. if you don't know what medicare is, you're related to someone who does. you can ask your mother, you can
ask your grandmother. they'll explain it to you. it will scare you or it won't and then the whole intexercise l oev wi be over with a vote. >> barack obama tried to make the argument. we'll put more people on the role and it will cost us less money. he would have been better off to say we, as americans, have a moral responsibility to put 31 million americans on the health care roles. period. >> you can't say it. when do you that you leave 20 million off. so explain to me the moral responsibility that allows you to leave 20 million people out? >> coming up, rnc chairman will be with us but first elvis costello will perform for us live. that's next on "morning joe."
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>> we know that tonight the power of the united states house of representatives will change hands. we know tonight that a growing number of republicans will now serve in the senate as well. and we make a grave mistake if we believe that tonight these results are somehow an embrace of the republican party. what they are is a second
chance. a second chance for republicans to be what they said they were going to be not so long ago. >> marco rubio on his big win last night. welcome back to a special edition of "morning joe" live in studio 8-h in rockefeller plaza. chris matthews is still with us. >> i think it's great that your party has one minority group. >> that's great. you are about as gracious this morning as lawrence o'donnell. were you guys just pent up all night trying to figure out nasty things to say to me when you get on the set. i'm being gracious. i'm not gloating. what i was going to say is do you think, chris matthews, that lawrence o'donnell is skeptical -- do you think that people like rubio and rand paul will not repeat the mistake of bush republicans where they talk
about small government and do nothing. >> rand paul is the real thing. i think his mistakes were that he had an open discussion of the kind of conversations we had in college in the dorms talking about whether the interstate commerce clause was the right way to go with civil rights and discussions that made him look like he was against civil right. he had intellectual conversations out loud. i think he's for real. that speech last night was all the way. he didn't thank his kids and campaign workers, he said i'm going to do this stuff. he's the raw seat of the hurricane that guy. he's the actual essence of goldwaterism. >> i associate myself completely with your remarks despite the fact i have no idea what that means. >> it's part of the effort that you are somehow part of the people. >> joining us now from washington --
>> republicans pretend not to know foreign language because they'll be foreign if they know a foreign language. >> you guys are on edge. i'm sorry i don't know a fourth language. you guys are so upset. you know spanish? >> seriously, you and lawrence are caricatures of yourself this morning. >> what languages are you allowed to know if you're a republican? >> english, southern and pig latin. >> chris says we have to get to the chairman of the national republican committee, michael ste steele. it's been a long road. last night quite a victory. do you agree with marco rubio that this wasn't so much about the republican party as it was a rejection of the democrats and you guys still have a lot to prove?
>> absolutely. i've been saying it for 18 months. it's been part of the message that was received certainly by myself and others who were out there on the road for the last six weeks that this was the country saying to us one more chance. and if you get this wrong, there will be no more chances and there's an expectation and i agree with chris that i don't know what that french word means that -- >> it means french fries. >> rand paul set the bar in terms of what the expectation is going to be by those coming in to congress and into the senate and even into our state legislatures where last night some 21 state chambers changed hands. >> mr. chairman, let me ask you this. rand paul gets what you've been saying for the past two years. you have been saying it for the past two years. you said we republicans had a chance and we blew it. we know rand paul gets it.
does mitch mcconnell get? do other republican establishment figures in the senate and house get it? does john boehner get it? >> i hope they do. i think that's a question that's more direct to them particularly as they lay out the agenda be on the policy side for the next two years. i hope they do because i think they're going to have a new invigorated base out there. you'll have combination of tea party being at play and those members who have come into congress who grew up out of those grassroots are going to have a lot to say and i think rand paul, alan west, tim scott, marco rubio and others will play a significant role in not only shaping the agenda for the nation's future but really firmly anchoring our party to its grassroots and to its base in the constitution again. >> mr. chairman, congratulations on all your wins. you and the party had quite a
few of them. i want your analysis for purpose of looking forward for why you weren't able to beat harry reid. unpopular. you spent a lot of money there. why didn't you win that race as a way of looking forward for the party? >> that's an excellent question. i tell you, that's a surprise not just for republicans but for democrats as well. i think that what i intend to do over the next 24 hours is to drill down into the numbers and look at the exit polling to see what the voters in nevada were saying because you would think that what they were indicating prior to the election would lead to a change in leadership given that the state of economy there and the difficulty that harry reid having to convince people that he really needed another term. >> what's your gut about why he was able to win? >> you know, i don't think -- i guess in some cases you can look at it and say we just didn't make the case completely to the people. we didn't give them enough confidence that we were going to get it right this time. i really don't want to speculate too much on that because i don't
know what the numbers are. i think that there was some doubt as we were talking just before about we're going to give you this but we're not sure if we want to. >> peggy, you know, sometimes it just comes down to the quality of the candidate even in a wave year. rand paul, we talked about it on this show surprisingly enough looked the most senatorial during his debate separating him from his opponent. marco rubio, a lot of doubts. a lot of people throwing him in with christine o'donnells of the world. he's a player. he knows what he's doing. in nevada, i remember when the first time i heard sharron angle talk about a second amendment solution to reforming congress, which means shooting members of congress, i said -- i said -- >> what did she mean? >> i don't want to get into this debate because i said, peggy, that race is over. my first instinct was right. sometimes it comes down to a
great or bad candidate. >> it does. one of the warnings i would say for people going into politics now is you have to go into politics as a full person, as a professional as somebody who has lived some years. someone who met a payroll. someone who has had a life they are now bringing to politics. we have too many people sort of starting out their lives in politics. they know nothing. and people can tell. voters can tell. so those people, the empty bags will not do well long-term. back to basics. not just the message but the messenger. candidates who are not fully grounded, not firmly grounded, are not going to do as wewell. voters want people who are full grown-ups. >> today the president will come out in front of the press at 1:00. there are a lot of things the republicans want the president to compromise on.
things they want him to give up to make thing work going forward. what are a couple big republican items that you guys are ready to compromise on and give up in order to make this bipartisan future work as we go forward? >> that's a good question. i think again from the policy standpoint we're going to look now to the new leadership in the house and the senate to begin to lay that out. we have some indicators of the direction the leadership would like to go on the big questions of taxes and jobs and certainly health care and questions of war and peace, the work that paul ryan has done and kevin mcarthyh. a year ago this was the headline. we were endangered species. last night we became an active party. >> it's remarkable turnaround. >> congratulations.
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>> i thought he would be on a stool. what did you learn? >> i know now what studio 8-h is. chris matthews, what did you learn today? >> i learned that jerry brown has proven that you're never out of this game. >> in a democratic year or republican year, elvis costello rocks. >> i love that these people got up in the middle of the night for us. big round of applause. >> no difference doing the show with or without a studio audience as long as you imagine the studio audience without any clothes on. >> i learn ed infrastructure. >> i have as much rhythm as gene