tv Morning Joe MSNBC November 8, 2010 6:00am-9:00am EST
we asked you at the top of the show what you're doing awake at this hour. our producer rob gifford has answers. >> ryan says i had a fever and i was up all night. my fever broke and i'm celebrating by watching "way too early." >> rob, you should know that cold and flu season is good for this show, people up all night watching. >> good to know. ken says can you get savannah guthrie to interview the smoking toddler. >> matt lauer has his big interview with george w. bush. maybe the great savannah guthrie is working on an exclusive with this youngster. "morning joe" starts right now. we were so busy and so focused on getting a bunch of
stuff done that we stopped paying attention to the fact that leadership isn't just legislation, that it's a matter of persuading people and giving them confidence and bringing them together and setting a tone. we haven't always been successful in that. i take personal responsibility for that. >> that is president obama's first major interview since the midterms on "60 minutes." more on that coming up. good morning everyone. it is monday, november 8th. welcome to "morning joe." with us onset, msnbc and "time" magazine senior political analyst mark halperin and the president of the council on foreign relations, rich chard haass is back with us. good to have him on board. morning, joe. >> how are you doing? >> good. >> i'm going to be good this week. >> you are? really? >> we had a rough week last week. >> it was a good week. i thought it was a very good
week, very productive week. are you going to be good? >> so after the show friday, mika takes chris and myself in -- >> we don't need to -- >> i thought we were transparent. >> we're all for transparency at this network. that's a whole different story though. we don't need to go there. >> anyway, long story short, she told me that i talked way too much last week. >> no, it was fine. >> and told chris to man up. >> that was not what i said. >> she didn't say that. >> i said he had no -- >> my wife has gotten -- my wife who also was horrified by my performance last week. >> your performance were very good. >> i talked a lot. my wife decides when i get home to kick me around, too. i don't know if you two had this mind thing going. >> she sent me some signs. >> that was nice of her.
>> she can hold these signs up any time. >> i thought they were actually to swat you. i can hold them up as well. >> you can do that, too. so where should we go? >> a lot going on. we'll hear from the president. we'll start there. he's in india. we'll talk about his trip there. also nancy pelosi, why she's staying. we'll talk about that. and george w. bush's new book. >> what about nancy pelosi? >> i wanted to ask you. is it that sometimes in washington you hear so much about how impressive you are that you don't see -- is she in the same spot the president was before the midterms? >> i just think she doesn't want the republicans to -- >> giving her credit. >> she is not. mark, if she were more effective. "the new york times" editorial page editorialized this morning that if she's the best the democrats have, they're in big,
big trouble. she just got hammered. the buck does stop with the speaker. newt gingrich had a poor performance in '98 and he got pushed out. >> well, republicans are clearly happy about it. they're not just spinning it but emphatically happening. >> i think she's earned the right to stay. she's beaten republicans twice. if she thinks she's the best the party has to offer, if she thinks she can do it, i think she's earned the right to stay. she's not going to be the lightning rod. she's going to recede into the background now as minority leader. >> the question is, richard haass, if you're a republican in the south or the midwest and your opponent has to run with nancy pelosi as the house leader, you've got such a built-in advantage. i seriously don't see how democrats could ever take the house back over if americans thought that nancy pelosi would be the speaker. i'm saying this is great for
republicans. so liberal bloggers, save it. i'm not reading your crap anyway. it's just -- seriously. >> like it or not, she's become the face and the symbol, the proxy for what many republicans see as the excesses of democrats. i think mark has a point, not that many people remember the minority leader in the house. i think harry reid is much more likely to become the face of democrats in the congress. but in the short run for sure. you're 100% right. it's basically a boone, if you will, to republicans and republican candidates. >> it helps the republicans so much, mika. basically, the left wing of the democratic party that influenced barack obama and drove this party over the cliff, drove them straight over the cliff and gave republicans the biggest victory they've ever had, they are now pushing nancy pelosi to go back there again. and again, if they want to lose,
they can lose. republicans, this is a joyous day for republicans. i just don't understand why mainstream democrats would allow this to happen. >> we're hearing from some republicans on this. congressman eric cantor is saying it's a bad idea for nancy pelosi to run for house minority leader when the new congress convenes in january. kantor, who is poised to become house majority leader, pointed towards pelosi's decision to stay in the leadership last week as proof that democrats aren't listening to voters. >> well, democratic members in the house elect nancy pelosi as their leader. it's almost as if they didn't get the message from the voters in this election. the voters out right rejected the agenda she's been about. and here they're going to put her back in charge. she has refused leadership to talk about anyway forward together. this is a woman who really i think puts ideology first.
and there have been no results for the american people. that seems the direction they want to take again? it just doesn't make sense. >> however, democratic congressman chris van holland offered his fullbacking of pelosi. >> nancy pelosi has been fighting for middle class america for the last 24 months. look, on tuesday, this was a lot bigger than nancy pelosi. we lost over 607 state legislators, 19 state legislative bodies switched control from democrats to republicans. we lost a lot of governorships. what this was all about, and understandably so, was a referendum on .5% unemployment and a feeling that we had not made enough progress. >> let me see -- i underline this again, i'm only speaking as a political analyst. if i were john madden, i would be asking why do you put the quarterback back on the field the week after he loses 63-0 and
has 14 fumbles and the fans are booing him the entire time. i'm not knocking nancy personally. if i were a republican partisan, i would nancy pelosi to be speaker. i'm just saying, though, if nancy pelosi has been fighting hard for middle class americans for the past 24 months according to chris, they don't appreciate what she's been doing. she has historically low approval ratings. >> i think you could probably look at the outcomes of the elections as partially her doing. everyone blames it on the white house. but wasn't it nancy pelosi that the president went to for a lot of things that he rammed through. not all democrats are happy about pem lohse's decision. heath shuler, former nfl quarterback, north carolina congressman saying this, there has to be a viable alternative. we got swept away. i use the old football analogy. i've been in that situation, you know, when you lose games they
replace you. >> this administration, for example, is beginning to pivot on trade. for the first time you hear this white house talking about passing trade agreements. under nancy pelosi the democrats in the laos would not pass them. one of the questions now is whether the democrats begin to take a new policy on some of these big national, economic and foreign policy issues. >> and barack obama wanted last february to talk about social security reform, saving social security. nancy pelosi was specifically the one that said you're not going to touch entitlements, we oort not going to talk about it, he tookt it off the table. >> to me that's the biggest thing about her staying on. on trade, entitlement reform, energy, even education. if washington is going to work in the next two years, there has to be bipartisan compromise. the republicans, they're just not going to work with her and she's not going to work with them. that's a recipe for a lot of conflict that she's going to contribute to rather than help settle. >> again, my biggest issue would be, just looking at this from a
distance, would be for democratic candidates in the southeast and in the midwest, you look at the numbers, the bleeding. it's absolutely horrific. i know in a lot of those states nancy pelosi's approval rating doesn't break 20%. there's so many analogy, willie. >> to your point. all you need to know is michael steele's reaction when he was given the news. he said, quote, my breath is taken away. through a smile he said that, because you've just handed us exactly what we want. >> meanwhile in his first major interview since the midterms, president obama said one of his chief weaknesses all along was a failure to properly communicate his message. >> part of my promise to the american people when i was elected was to maintain the kind of tone that says we can disagree without being disagreeable. i think over the course of two years there have been times where i've slept on that commitment. he also talked about the
political hit he took in his approach to health care. take a listen. >> there's a reason why our health care system hasn't been le formed over the last several decades, why every president talks about it and it never happens, because it's hard. it's a huge, big, complicated system. i made the decision to go ahead and do it. it proved as costly politically as we expected, probably actually a little more costly than we expected politically. >> oh, come on? that's just not true. >> all along you said it. >> that's just not true. the president said we expected to be hit that bad. no. what we heard was, we have to pass the bill. and then the american people will learn to love it. they did not expect to take a political hit. so when the president says, oh, this was a courageous thing to do, we knew we were going to take a big hit. he had no idea that they would lose the house, that they would be swept away, richard haass, in almost record numbers on the state level. they didn't know this was
coming. they were warned. they were warned repeatedly. but left wing bloggers and a lot of people on the far left pushed this white house somewhere where they didn't want to go. >> i think that's exactly right. politicians are not suicidal. if people had known it was going to have those kinds of consequences, no way they would have pushed it. another point, whenever politicians talk about their problem is messaging rather than the substance, i think it's a first order of approximation that something is wrong. you're not going to learn from mistakes if you say we only got the message wrong or the pr wrong, but the substance was 100% right. if that's the lesson of the last two years, i think people are not going to learn some of the necessary lessons. >> i disagree with your first point. i think they knew they could lose the house over this and did it anyway. i think they did. >> i remember hearing that. >> the president said when we went to speak to the house of leaptives before the decisive vote. he said we can lose it. >> by that time, though, they were already invested -- they
had already invested over a year into it. he couldn't back off then. >> i think the president knew from the beginning. maybe nancy pelosi didn't buy it. >> you think he knew from the beginning he should have kept the focus more on the economy and jobs and other issues. >> no. he thought the only time to do health care was the first year in office. if he didn't do it, it would never get done. he didn't -- hoe he hoped it wouldn't happen and worked to stop it. i think he knew from the beginning. >> and health care in this way that would basically focus on coverage rather than cost or quality of health care. >> they think it deals with costs. >> and jobs. the message that didn't get through there. one more story to get to. on the third day of his ten-day swing through asia, president obama is seeking to strengthen diplomatic ties with india. speaking at a news conference with the indian prime minister, obama pledged to work more closely in the country to combat terrorism. obama also said he hopes india and pakistan can work out longstanding differences over the disputed region of cashmere.
>> both pakistan and india have an interest in reducing tensions between the two countries. the united states cannot impose a solution to these problems, but i've indicated to the prime minister saying we are happy to play any role that the parties think is appropriate in reducing these tensions. >> richard haass, i have been talking about left wing bloggers this morning. right wing bloggers ginned up a phony controversy about the president going to india. there's been a lot of noise on the far right about him going to india. that's exactly where he should be. i would send my president to india like once a month if i could, for long weekends. could you explain why india, a country we don't think about very much, is one of our most critical allies on the world stage? and why it's important that the president is there? >> it's important for so many reasons.
strategically, the 800-pound gorilla in the room no one is talking about is china. one of the ways you ultimately manage or help steer the rise of china is through a close strategic relationship with india, the baseline. secondly, india has 1.2 billion people, politically the world's largest democracy. >> militarily. afghanistan, pakistan. >> for so many reasons, economically, strategically, china. india ought to be at the center of american foreign policy. it was one of the real breakthroughs of the previous administration to create a relationship with india. this administration has been slow to do it. finally they are doing it. this whole trip, this emphasis on asia at a time when china is throwing its weight around is very, very healthy. >> any right wring bloggers out there who are critical of the president being in india, anybody, is an idiot. i don't mean to be that blunt. it is the truth.
they have their head in the sand, intellectually feeble. they have no idea how important, mark halperin, how important india is to the united states. as richard said, economically, politically, militarily, tra teaming cli. >> and national security. >> the balance against china in that region, it is critical that the president of the united states is there right now. >> i'll add one more thing to the list. this is a country where the people actually want closer ties with united states, where there's no real tension. you a lot of indian americans, a lot of people in india who would like to come here and trade with the united states, indian companies and people talk about outsourcing and want to invest in the united states. it's upside for us. it's important for the president. that's why spending three days there, which is a lot of time. >> he really needs to do that. also historically and we'll talk to richard more about this, because the president is speaking before the indian parliament at 7:00 east earn.
but also we had good relationships with india. september 11th came and our shift dramatically went over to pakistan, adversary for a very long time. this is important. as richard said, george w. bush quietly built relations up there. we need to keep pushing. >> we're going to have more on george w. bush's book that's come out. that's all over the press today. coming up, also, all eyes on the youth vote during last week's midterms. it may have been seniors that actually made the difference for the gop. that story is next in the politico playbook. plus, what does michael bloomberg think of d.c. lawmakers? apparently not too much. >> not much. >> the mayor's take on congress m . first let's go to bill karins. >> new england is not pretty this morning. we had snow reports from providence, hartford and boston,
as much as an inch or two covering the grounds outside hartford. look at the radar, umbrella weather, raining from portland, to providence to boston. winds gusting 20 to 30 miles per hour all through new england. the windchill is what gets your attention. in the 20s over much of new england today. from new york city northwards, it's cold. middle of winter type weather. not too bad by d.c., baltimore and fimly. the rest of the country looks nice, especially in the middle of the nation. chalk to dallas, miami, new orleans and orlando, you're in for a very nice monday. just new england that we veal to watch the airport delayless as the morning commute gets going. you're watching "morning joe" brewed by starbucks.
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let's take a look at the morning papers. "the new york times," upcoming vacancies at key pentagon posts will give president obama a chance to reshape defense department leadership. the tennesseean, republican midterm gains at the state level can decide the fate of president obama's health care overhaul. republican governors and legislators are in a position to put pressure ton white house to scale back parts of the plan. mika, after elections republicans have complete monopolies in 20 states. they have the ledge tours and the governors. >> question for you later. do they do this? do they take on this fight or focus on jobs? are we going to do this all over again? the "wall street journal" at the ge 20 summit, the mantra is global rebalancing as leaders look to change the world economy so it relies less on american consumers and more on shoppers with countries with big trade surplus surpluses. >> the "usa today," get ready to pay more for airline tickets this holiday season. analysts show that domestic
fares are up an average of 17% from a year ago for travel later this month. >> the service is so good. that must be it. >> that's really sort of the offset. >> such a great experience and you always get there right on time. >> it's great. >> and you get to pay for your bags, all kinds of fun things. with us, the chief white house correspondent from politico mr. mike allen with a look at the playbook. good morning, mike. >> talking a lot about the coalition of voters that left democrats on tuesday. one of them, americans 65 and older favoring republicans by a 21-point margin in the midterms. why did this block turn away from democrats? >> this is the most surprising stat i've seen come out of the elections. in the last midterms in 2006 older americans split 50/50. now, as you say, a 21-point gap, 33 points in new hampshire, 22
points in illinois. a couple reasons. one is that they just did not respond to the concerns about social security. as one conservative told us, the third rail has been unplugged. but the really worrisome stat, as you look ahead to 2012, this one gives democrats nightmares. a big part of it was concern about health care, concern about the effects on medicare. so this is a big, big, big education job, with a critical block that tended to vote democrat and tended to vote. they came out in higher numbers than they did before. >> mike, gees. i'm just curious, do you think those lies about death panels actually stuck? do you think those lies -- you had republicans, some republicans, not a lot. but sarah palin and others, do you think that actually got older americans out to vote? >> no, i don't. but i think that broader concerns about the health reform
plan clearly sunk in. and broader concerns about the economy. americans -- this shows there's not any block that democrats can now take for granted. >> mark halperin, i'm ask you the same thing. do you think -- because this is the first time we've heard these stats. do you think the lies about death panels may have driven the senior vote away from democrats? >> i think it's part of a broader painting of the health care law that older americans didn't understand and are worried about impacting their coverage, sure. >> mike, we've all been talking about nancy pelosi returning as house minority leader. there's also an interesting battle for the minority whip spot with jim clyburn and steny hoyer. talk about. >> you were talking about how delighted republicans are by this. here is another reason. she wasn't able to work out her undercard before she made this announcement. you have congressman clyburn of south carolina who would be
pushed out of one of the top leadership jobs. he said, wait, i'm not going. now he's challenging steny hoyer of maryland. it's a really dirty battle. both sides calling up to tell us, steny hoyer saying he's locked down california, he has hispanics. congressman clyburn, of course, has the congressional black caucus. we have overheated rhetoric, one of them saying we've really boxed him out. this is just like another problem democrats don't need, they don't have the fresh start that they desperately need now. >> jim clyburn wants the job, joe. >> yeah, he does. >> and insulted by adding another slot which they should have done in the first place and avoided this. >> make up a position. just go to management and make up a position. we can't do that. yes, you can. let me tell you something. you create positions. that works very well. >> reinvent yourself. >> mike allen, thanks a lot. we will talk to congressman
clyburn about his campaign for house leadership a little later. we'll also bring in former adviser to president george w. bush, mark mckinnon. lots to talk to mark about. they call him the old gung slinger. >> why do they call him that? >> he throw sos many interceptions. he pushes a chip to the middle of the table. these are some of the cliches. >> sends inappropriate texts. there are a thousand of those cliches. he did stage a big comeback and had a career day hoping the revive the vikings' season. that and the rest of the day in the nfl next on "morning joe." tdd# 1-800-345-2550 what if every atm was free?
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you look at the u.s., you look at who we're electing to congress, to the senate, they can't read. i'll bet you a bunch of these people don't have passports. we're about to start a trade war with china if we're not careful here only because nobody knows where china is, nobody knows what china is. >> richard haass, michael bloomberg is not holding a reception for new members of congress. >> wait a minute. does he have a point? >> for sure she has a point. even if china let its currency float and had it adjust to the dollar, the impact on our trade relationship and our economy would be minuscule. to scapegoat china so many are going in the congress, it's just that. >> michael bloomberg said, let's stop blaming others and look at the fact that we've put ourselves in a terrible position. >> exactly. you ought not to go to war with your banker, just as a rule of thumb. china is supporting the american economy. >> especially if you'll need more money in the future. you think michael bloomberg is politically astute.
you've said some very positive things about him. i tell you, when he did that quote about people not being able to read in congress, my wife said, i guess he's not running for president. i said, wait a second, congress has 11% approval rating. if i were running as an independent, that would be where i'd start. >> the same thing about china and the republicans in congress. we have all these new members coming in, are people going to know anything about the world. mitch mcconnell, the republican leader, his major event speaking at the heritage foundation. he's asked a general question, what do you think the administration's policy towards china. he says with regard to china policy i don't have any observation about that. that was his response. >> and bloomberg's point. >> unbelievable when "the new york times" about a month back talked about how democrats at the time, but republicans have done it, too. democrats were running anti china commercials against republican candidates.
both sides were demagoguing china. i do wonder how the most important leader in the united states senate -- i don't mean to go on a mitch mcconnell tear here. i don't know him -- i wouldn't vote for him to run my caucus. i don't know him. so it's not personal. but if you tell me your top priority if you run the republican caucus in the senate is the next election and then you're asked a question about the most important country on the planet outside of the united states and you have no opinion, no opinion. >> no observations. >> michael bloomberg just may have a point, richard haass. mitch mcconnell -- mitch mcconnell, you need to go back in your house. you need to close the door and you need to study up. i'm going to give you the same advice i gave sarah palin, okay? i understand this may not help with interviews moving forward. you need to stop talking until
you have your act together. richard, it's stunning. it is stunning that he would say i've got no opinion on china. >> this is the defining relationship of the 21st century. it's the defining theme underneath the president's trip to asia. the rise of china is going to be one of the two or three things that's going to determine the personality, the character of 21st century history. we've got to understand china. we've got to get this relationship right. >> all right, mitch mcconnell. sports, sorry. we went long. new york giants blowing out seattle yesterday, looking pretty good. the competition in the nfc might be the green bay packers. it's not going to be the dallas cowboys. sunday night on nbc last night. wow. that was taking on the pammers at lambeau. green bay is up 21-0. the hapless cowboys fumbled a
kick return, falls into the hands of nick collins. green bay is up 38-7. this just isn't good. the backup quarterback in for the injured tony romo. this is a lost season in dallas. right into the hands of clay matthews. goes 62 yards for a touchdown. packers beat the cowboys by the score of 45-7. green bay is 6-3. the cowboys lost five straight. they're 1-7. >> afterwards the dallas cowboys actually blamed jessica simpson who was in the stands for this loss. >> a couple years, but they're still going with that. >> still blaming her two years later. tony romo went to mexico with her back in 2004. joets at wood said there would be consequences. >> wade phillips may not make it to this afternoon. can't be 1-7. >> brett favre and the vikings taking on the cardinals in minnesota.
a big comeback. they were down by 14 late in the fourth quarter. but they come back. this ties the game. the bullet, 25-yard touchdown, sends the gang into overtime. favre threw for a career high 446 yards. then in overtime, ryan longwell is going to seal up this comeback with a game-winning field goal, 35 yards out. vikings come back to win. >> when they decide to move forward an ad campaign, they go to you first with a sports figure possibly taking pictures of his test curveballs and sent them to a friend, are you surprised they're still showing brett favre's levi jean commercial? because i am. >> no. because football fans don't care about that controversy. i'm telling you there's a love affair with brett favre that transcends crotch photos. >> middle aged men, they love him. i'm surprised.
>> is it the button fly? >> the open fly. >> again, these are allegations. >> i saw the commercial this weekend and i was surprised they might put him on the sideline until he learns to zip up his pants, allegedly. >> wild overtime finish in detroit, already getting out the hatchets for the jets in new york. they found a way. time ticking in the third quarter. nick fulton, 36-yard field goal sends the game into overtime. mark sanchez sends san antonio holmes up the middle. 52 yards before he's dragged down. that set up fulton one more time. come back from ten points in the fourth quarter to win 23-20. >> i love knew york. if they had lost by three points, it would be "jets suck,"
instead it's "lion tamers". michael vick getting it done for the eagles against peyton manning and the colts. vick getting his started job back after an injury. scary moment for the colts here. colts receiver austin collie sandwiched by a couple defenders. he got knocked out for a minute. >> that helmet to helmet, that guy should be out for three weeks. if the nfl -- how many people are going to have to be paralyzed and killed before the nfl starts stops talking. that guy should be out of football without pay for three weeks. >> that was kurt coleman lowering his helmet before the tackle. look at this, michael vick, still has wheels. he takes it to the open field. 32 yards. that set up a touchdown. eagles beat the colts 26-24.
they are 5-3. >> you said he just seems so appreciative out there. >> looks grateful to have a second chance. you can save your e-mails. i'm note defending what he did. >> i'm happy for him. two years ago this guy is in jail and bankrupt. now he's back out there. >> don't be happy for him. >> why? >> i'm excited. i believe in redemption. i believe in redemption. i know there are haters on the far left and far right that don't. i'm a redemption guy. >> he went to jail. >> what do you want? went to jail for two years. child rapists have lesser sentences than michael vick. >> but we don't cheer for them. >> we can never cheer for a guy that made mistakes. >> and paid for it? >> not for this. >> you have to understand -- >> does president george w. bush regret going into iraq? you'll hear his answer. new details from his memoir
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>> it's interesting. i really stopped and read that part of the book three or four times president bush because you're saying logically speaking, why would this guy go to a war he knew he would lose if he wasn't trying to hide something. >> exactly. >> it's the logically speaking part that gets me. you already told the world he was a madman. how can you attach logical thinking the a madman. >> because he was a madman that loved power. the idea of him risking power was -- it was hard to believe. nobody believed it, by the way. it was -- not only did i believe he had weapons of mass destruction. it turns out that people who were later critics of the war believed he had weapons of mass destruction. >> i've got to say, can we just commend matt lauer for coming out and admitting that he's got reading comprehension problems. that's not easy to do on national television before a president, having to read a section three orr four times. >> for emphasis.
>> oh, i get it. >> i don't think the president's answer is going to be helpful to convincing his critics he did the right thing in iraq. >> it's going to be a big interview tonight on nbc. >> we didn't show some of the clips. there are amazing clips in there, though, where the president goes after cheney and talks about cheney going after him and what he said about mccain. >> the katrina picture. >> the katrina picture. richard haass, getting back to iraq, all these years later does george w. bush get it yet? >> this is one of those debates that's going to be going on for years and years and years, people like the president going to be sending, even though -- he'll say it was a war of necessity. people like me will say it was a war of choice. people like me will say it was the wrong thing to do and we did it the wrong way. >> does he still think it's a war of necessity, even though when we didn't know there were
wmds? >> he will go to his grave thinking it was the right thing to do. he will say in the fullness of time history will thank him. even though saddam was not involved in 9/11. >> you were around there at the time. would george w. bush have gone to war if he knew that saddam did not have wmds? >> that's the big question. i hi he would have wanted to after 9/11. people wanted to send a message to the world that the united states was back, that we could shape history rather than just be a target. i don't know whether he would have prevailed. i don't know whether blair would have supported him. clearly people in the administration wanted to go to war regardless. >> the narrative moving forward right now is cheney bullied bush into war. >> no. >> you don't believe that? >> i think that examining rates the role of vice president cheney. the president knew exactly who cheney was and where he was coming from. knew the same thing about rumsfeld and colin powell. >> these are strong personalities though. >> the idea that cheneys or
others manipulated the president underestimates him. >> are you surprised at the friction between bush and cheney where in the scooter libby episode where he says you left a man behind on the battlefield and bush in '04 left cheney twisting in the wind for a few weeks. >> a little bit. there was a lot of friction over the scooter libby thing. what i don't know and i didn't really ask him is whether there's any resentment there, any lingering issues. not just cheney's view about bush, but vice versa, whether the president has any regrets about the role dick cheney flad or some of the influence he followed from dick cheney. >> mark halperin, the day after they lost, rumsfeld was out. rumsfeld was cheney's guy. foreign policy shifted almost immediately. bush brought in, of course, the new secretary of defense gates who has done an extraordinary
job and condi rice whose influence grew exponentially. i would guess there's resentment from cheney towards bush. cheney got pushed aside. >> don't forget cheney's book is coming and he has time to adjust to what's here. matt's special will lay down a huge marker tonight. then bush has a lot of other interviews coming up. some of the other stuff that's going to be out there -- >> fascinating to watch that interview tonight, interview by matt lauer. willie, what do you have next? >> president bush known for his dancing while in office. president obama was literally dragged onto the dance floor in mumbai. we'll show you how he did when we come back. ♪my country, tis of thee, sweet land of liberty, of thee i sing;
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oh, yes. it's time, isn't it. >> oh, willie. >> we kept richard haass around, this could have implications for our relationship with india. president obama dancing with the kids. it happens to every president. you're on a foreign trip. it's a question of when it will happen. for the president it happened yesterday in mumbai at a high school. you see this at weddings, guys get physically dragged out by the brides maids. a lot of people critiqued him. he's going with the traditional
dance here. maybe should take the cues from the first lady on the right. she seems to have the moves down a little better than the president himself. whatever you want to say, a fast upgrade from the previous administration's dancing. president george w. bush here. you knew it was coming. we had to show it to you. i'm excited about the special at 8:00 eastern. here he is with a west african dance troop. can we show him tap dancing? >> that's good stuff. >> a little soft shoe from president bush as he waited for john mccain. very exciting. "wheel of fortune" fans. >> this is quiz show right here. >> there must have been cheating. >> this is a scandal of the first order. >> everyone has made this up. there's no way this could have happened. >> "wheel of fortune" you can't solve a clue this long with only one letter. friday, just watch and let's figure out what happened here.
>> l! >> one l. >> can i solve? >> what's that? >> can i solve? >> okay. >> it is a prize puzzle. >> i've got a good feeling about this. >> that's right. >> come on. that's a scene from "groundhog day." further in the clip, pat sajak was visibly shocked. >> did she win more or less? >> you want more letters to build it up. >> more money. it's a puzzle of choice or puzzle of necessity, she should have let it go. richard haass, arthur of "war of choice, war of necessity." thank you for being with us. >> thank you richard. thank you for helping me with my book. up next, former adviser to president george w. bush, mark
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but i'm absolutely convinced that the country that has the biggest stake in pakistan's success the india. i think that if pakistan is unstable, that's bad for india. if pakistan is stable and prosperous, that's good for india. >> live pictures of the president arriving at the indian parliament in new delhi that you're seeing right now. that was president obama addressing a group of students in india yesterday. the president is on the third day of his ten-day swing through asia. speaking at a news conference earlier with tindian prime minister, the president pledged to work more closely with the country to combat terrorism. he's expected to deliver a speech to india's parliament in just a moment. we're looking at live pictures out of new delhi. we'll bring you a portion of that speech live.
>> the president is in a difficult position. of course, mumbai lapped a few years ago, 170 indians died there. so when the president commemorated the victims of that attack, he didn't mention pakistan and that according to "the washington post" infuriated a lot of indians. but the president is walking a very, very fine line here between one of our most important allies and somebody who is one of the key players in the war on tir record. >> as we watch the process, mark halperin is still with us. joining us, the former adviser to president george w. bush and contributor to "the daily beast" mark mckinnon. good to have you with us. >> we were talking the last hour about how right wing bloggers attacked this president seizing on an incorrect story on how much this tlip cost but attacked
this president for going to india. i would want my president in india once a month on long weekends. this is a key partner. >> god bless him. this is a key strategic partner. you look at the things richard haass was talking about in terms of the strategic alliance and the fact he's spending three days there is huge. you look at the geopolitical consequences and imperatives of that region, it's great he's going. >> at the arrival ceremony moments ago the president said this. we are the two largest democracies in the world. most importantly we share a core set of values. >> it's not always been a smooth ride with india, mark halperin. george bush has been knocked around for many things on the international stage. but if you talk to richard haass, if you talk to foreign policy experts on either side of the ideological divide, they'll tell you that one of bush's
great accomplishments on the international stage was india. we move closer to india over the past eight years. and now president obama is picking up that mission. >> it was a particular challenge for president bush because after 9/11 and pakistan and afghanistan became such important strategic concerns for the country as well. the last two presidents and president clinton as well has spent a lot of time trying to elevate india. this trip is probably as high profile a thing as any president has done and the united states, getting people to understand that india is more than about just outsourcing with all the national security implications of the relationship. >> when the president begins speaking, we'll go to that. we have mark mckinnon here, you're obviously close to president george w. bush for some time. what do you think about his book? he's obviously going to have a very extensive book tour. what are your thoughts? >> i appreciate the fact that he
stayed off the radar screen for the last couple years and honored that notion of staying out of the president's business. i'm glad he's having an opportunity to reflect and talk about his presidency. i think anybody that reads it may disagree with the policies. i think at the end of it, they'll recognize he's a good and decent man who made tough decisions with pure motives. in other words, you look at the decision -- i love the architecture, the idea of decisions. when you read about step cell in iraq, it's fascinating to get behind the scenes and think about the human story and the real decision that is a president has to make and why. >> are you surprised he went there when it came to, say, john mccain, saying mccain was ill prepared for a meeting he called on the bailouts and with dick cheney, talking about very open conflicts with the vice president that has been characterized as the darth vader that controlled george w. bush. >> very candid and that's why it's fascinating. you get real insights into the cheney relationship and the mccain relationship.
he says really great things about both those men and admires and respects both of them. you get the human elements of these relationships and it's a fascinating read. >> let's talk about nancy pelosi, mika, as we wait for the president to speak in india. last hour we talked about speaker pelosi deciding -- >> she's staying. she wants to stay. >> yahoo. go, nancy. >> you actually should be quite happy about that maybe. >> we are. >> the rate things are going. >> what's so funny is nobody has ever accused the national republican party of having great sense of humor or whit. but they had a sign up at their headquarters for a year now "fire pelosi." right after they won and nancy pelosi announced she was going to run for minority leader, they took that down and put up "hire pelosi." >> do you think that's more puggish or cheeky? >> a little cheek there.
that car that's in the ditch, now they put on the license plate, it says pelosi. >> it's stunning to me, and if i were a centrist democrat, if i were a southern democrat or a midwest democrat that wanted to run for the house, mark, i would be horrified. >> i think people like heath shuler are and they're saying as much. >> we have heath shuler's statements. congressman eric cantor is saying it's bad idea for nancy pelosi to run for house minority leader when the new congress convenes in january. kantor, who is poised to become house minority leader pointed towards pelosi's decision to stay in the leadership last week as proof that democrats simply aren't listening to voters. >> democratic members in the house elect nancy pelosi as their leader. it's almost as if they just didn't get the message from the voters this election. i mean the voters outright rejected the agenda she's been
about. here they're going to put her back in charge. she has refused to even meet with republican leadership to talk about anyway forward together. i mean this is a woman who really i think puts ideology first. there have been no results for the american people, and that seems the direct they want to take again? it just doesn't make sense. >> marc, help me strategically. i'm serious. let's try to sort through this. why would one of the least popular speakers in modern history who absorbed one of the largest losses in history stay on? how does that help the democratic party? in '98 i think newt lost four seats and we threw him overboard. kind of rough on the republican side on our own. she loses 60-plus seats. >> she's not ready to quick. she doesn't want to be the scapegoat for this. the president is saying. harry reid is staying. she has a record of beating republicans. she's done it twice, is the best
fund-raiser the republican party has. she'll be hot for a couple days. as minority leader, she wants to be part of the comeback for herself and the party. >> what about the democratic establishment in washington? >> i think they need to be and should be more focused on the president and what he's going to do to lead the party back rather than her. i haven't talked to anybody who thinks this is a great idea. there are a few people who thought she's entitled to do this. >> it's about entitlement. it's not strategic. it's selfish. the american people saw this election and they turn on the tv and say we have this change election, we see harry reid, president obama and nancy pelosi. >> two of the three are staying. why should she be the only one? >> you brought up three good points as to why she might need to stay, mark halperin. >> it would be smart politically, that's why. >> a comeback for michael vick and not nancy pelosi? >> michael vick doesn't have to
have a group of dogs voting for him two years from now. >> political instability with the conservative democrats. >> is there some sexism going on here? why can a man stay and the woman is done? >> seriously drop me in any congressional district in the south or in the midwest, and if my democratic opponent is running close to me, i take out ads on nancy pelosi and say she is going -- >> it's two years away. to me the bigger thing is what eric cantor said. >> seriously, you're living in an alternate universe. >> it's what eric cantor said. we talked about how president obama has not reached out and met with republicans like mitch mcconnell. she doesn't meet with republicans. that to me is why she should go. the most compelling argument is about governance, not about the next -- >> this is the biggest gift republicans could get after an
already bountiful season, to have nancy pelosi stay on board, it's -- you know what? it's selfish. there are a lot of times i went after newt and i'm still going after him when he says really stupid things, mark. but i went after newt and i went after dick army and delay and my leadership and clinton. i always tell people on my side, this is not personal. if my mother were running the republican party, if she decided to step in -- and i mean this. i'm not saying this to be funny. if my mother were running the republican party and did things that hurt the republican party, i would say mom, i love you and the kids will be over for thanksgiving, but you're hurting the party, you need to step aside. this is not personal. >> the biggest problem is it makes it harder for the democratic party to do a reset. and after an election you get an opportunity to do that. they're making it harder on themselves to say, we actually got the message and we're going to do things differently. >> let's go back to new delhi, president obama speaking before
the indian parliament. let's listen in. mr. prime minister and members, and most of all, the people of india, i thank you for the great honor of addressing the representatives of more than one billion indians in the world's largest democracy. i bring the greetings and friendship of the world's oldest democracy, the united states of america, including nearly three million proud and patriotic indian americans. over the past three days, my wife michelle and i have experienced the beauty and die
familiarism of india and its people, from the madge industry of hugh my yoon's tomb to the advanced technologies empowering farmers and women who are the backbone of indian society, from the celebrations with schoolchildren to the innovators who are fueling india's economic rise, from the university students who will chart india's future to you, leaders who helped to bring india to this moment of extraordinary promise. at every stop we have been welcomed be the hospitality for which indians have always been known. so to you and the people of india, on behalf of me, michelle and the american people, please accept my deepest thanks.
[ speaking foreign language ] i am not the first american president to visit india, nor will i be the last, but i am proud to visit india so early in my presidency. it's no coincidence that india is my first stop on a visit to asia or that this has been my longest visit to another country since becoming president. for in asia and around the world, india is not simply emerging, india has emerged. and it is my firm belief that the relationship between the united states and india bound by
our shared interests and our shared values will be one of the defining partnerships of the 21st century. this is the partnership that i've come here to build. this is the vision that our nations can realize together. my confidence in our shared future is grounded in my respect for india's treasured past, a civilization that's been shaping the world for thousands of years. indians unlock the intricacies of the human body and the vastness of our universe. it's no exaggeration to say that our information age is rooted in indian innovations including the number zero. india -- of course, india not only opened our minds, she expanded our moral imaginations
with religious texts that sill summon the faithful to lives of dig any and discipline with poets who imagine a future where the mind is without fear and the head is held high. and with a man whose message of love and justice endures, the father of your nation, mow h mahatma gandhi. for me and michelle, this visit has held special meaning. you see, throughout my life, including my work as a young man on behalf of the urban poor, i've always found inspiration in his life and the simple and profound lesson to be the change we seek in the world. and just as he summoned indians to seek their destiny, he
influenced champions of equality in my own country including a young preacher named martin luther king. after making his pilgrimage to india a half century ago, dr. king called gandhi's philosophy of nonviolent resistance, the only logical and moral approach in the struggle for justice and progress. so we were honored to visit the residents of gandhi -- we're humble to pay our respects at rajgat. i'm humble that i might not be standing before you today as president of the united states had it not been for gandhi for the message he shared and inspired in the world.
>> an an ancient civilization of science and innovation, a fundamental faith in human progress, this is the foundation upon which you have built ever since that stroke of midnight when the tri color was raced over a free and independent india. and despite the skeptics who said this country was simply too poor or too vast or too diverse to succeed, you sur mounted overwhelming odds and became a model to the world. instead of slipping into starvation, you launched a green revolution that fed millions. instead of becoming dependent on commodities and exports, you invested in science and technology and in your greatest
resource, the indian people. the world sees the results from the super computers you build to the indian flag you put on the moon. instead of resisting the global economy, you became one of its engines, reforming the licensing raj and unleashing an economic marvel that has lifted tens of millions of people from poverty and created one of the world's largest middle classes. instead of succumbing to division, the idea of india, all colors, all casts, all creeds. it's the diversity represented in this chamber today. it's the richness of faiths celebrated by a visitor to my hometown of chicago more than a century ago, the renowned swaum
me, vivicon uny. he said wholeness, purity and charity are not the exclusive possessions of any church in the world and every system has produced men and women of the most exalted character. instead of being lured by the false notion that progress must come at the expense of freedom, you build the institutions upon which true democracy depends. free and fair elections which enable zints to choose their own leaders without recourse to arms. an independent judiciary and the rule of law which allows people to address their grievances and a dlooifing free press and vibrant civil society which allows every voice to be heard. this year as india marks 60
years with a strong and democratic constitution, the lesson is clear, india succeeded not in spite of democracy. india has succeeded because of democracy. just as india has changed, so, too, has the relationship between our two nations. in the decades after independence, india advanced its interests as a proud leader in an online movement. yet too often the united states and india found ourselves on opposite signed of a north-south divide. estranged by a long cold war. those days are over. here in india, two successive governments led by different parties have recognized that deeper partnership with america is both natural and necessary.
in the united states, both of my predecessors, one a democrat, one a republican, worked to bring us closer leading to increased trade and a landmark civil nuclear agreement. so since that time people in both our countries have asked what's next. how can we build on this progress and realize the full potential of our partnership? that's what i want to address today, the future that the united states seeks in an interconnected world and why i believe that india is indispensable to this vision, how we can forge a truly global partnership, jot must in one or two areas, but across many, not just for our mutual benefit, but for the benefit of the world. of course, only indians can
determine india's national interests and how to advance them on the world stage. but i stand before you today because i am convinced that the interest of the united states and the interests we share with india are best advanced in partnership. i believe that. the united states seeks security, the security of our country, our allies and partners. we seek prosperity, a strong and growing economy in an open international economic system. we seek respect for universal values, and we seek a just and sustainable international order that promotes peace and security by meeting global challenges through stronger global cooperation. to advance these interests, i have committed the united states to comprehensive engagement with the world based on mutual
interest and mutual respect. a central pillar of this engagement is forging deeper cooperation with 21st century centers of influence, and that must necessarily include india. now, india is not the only emerging power in the world, but relationships between our countries is unique. for we are two strong democracies whose constitutions begin with the same words, the same revolutionary words, "we the people." we are two great republics dedicated to liberty, justice and equality of all people. we are two free market economies where people have the freedom to pursue ideas and innovation that can change the world. that's why i believe india and
america are indisspendable partners in meeting the challenges of our time. since taking office, i, therefore, made our relationship a priority. i was proud to welcome prime minister singh for the first official state visit of my presidency. for the first time ever, our governments are working together across the whole range of common challenges that we face. let me say it as clearly as i can, the united states not only welcomes india as a rising global power, we fur vently support it and have worked to help make it a reality. together with our partners we have made the g-to the premier form for international economic cooperation, bringing more voices to the table of global economic decision making, and that has included india. we've increased the role of emerging economies like india at
international financial institutions. we valued india's important role at copenhagen where for the first time major economies took action to combat climate change and to stand by those actions. we salute india's long history as a leading contributor to united nations peacekeeping missions, and we welcome india as it prepares to take its seat on the united nations security council. all right. that is president obama live in new delhi delivering statements to the parliament there and saluting india as a partner on many levels. we're going to continue to monitor that, but we've got other things to get do here on "morning joe." coming up, who will make up the new democratic leadership in the house? we'll talk to one of the men vying to be house minority whip, representative james clyburn. >> we hear that race is getting ugly.
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for story you put in the book about the last portion of your presidency when you had a decision to make concerning scooter libby. he had been convicted of perjury and obstruction of justice and sentenced to 30 years in prison. you had a choice. you could have done nothing. >> right. >> you have commuted his sentence or issued a full pardon and you thought long and hard about it. >> i did. scooter is a loyal american who worked for vice president cheney who got caught up in this valerie plame case and was indicted and convicted. i chose to commute his sentence. i felt he had paid enough of a penalty. >> critics immediately said, if you're loyal to bush, you don't have to go to prison. it didn't come without a price. >> that's right. >> vice president cheney wanted more? >> he did. he wanted me to pardon him. this is a decision that lies with the presidency really. and i chose to let the jury veshlth stand after some serious
deliberation. and the vice president was angry. >> when you went to him and told him, you said he was furious. has your relationship with dick cheney ever recovered from failing to give a pardon? >> it has. i'm pleased to report it has. we are friends today. he gave a very gracious speech on the way out of town at andrews air force base. we are friends. i went by to see him. i've seen him since. it's a hard decision. that's what you do when you're president. you make hard decisions. >> what was the biggest surprise of this book? what story did he tell that surprised you? >> i don't want to violate the embargo here. i think it's till tonight. >> are there more surprises? >> sure, a bunch of them. let me talk about that one for just a second. i don't think i'm going to cross the line here. that's a very fascinating story about the whole cheney
relationship and the libby pardon. but one thing he talks about is how corrupt the pardon process is. that's one he tried to deliberately fix and create a new process. that's one of the things he talked to president obama about, saying something i really think you ought to think about is reforming this process and making sure that you don't have people coming over the walls as they do on these pardons. we saw it happen with president clinton and that whole mark rich situation. but it's something that the president took very seriously, and i think that's something that he and president obama came together on and really agree on. >> so when people read this book, they're going to be stunned at some of the stories. >> there's interesting stories, fun stories, funny stories. i think they'll also realize that they're very human stories tochlt see the human element behind a presidency is fascinating. >> i'd say that the former president and definitely his wife don't open up when you interview them.
you don't hear a truly raw personal side. that's what i think will be surprising about this book. there will be really raw personal stories. >> yeah. his father was a president, they understand the formality of the office. i think there is a decorum. behind that they're really fun and interesting people, too. >> and flawed. >> and flawed, admittedly so. >> we heard a lot of people say it's time to re-evaluate president bush over the last couple years and you have his critics trying to blunt this narrative. maybe he's a nice guy in the book and all that. look at the disaster that was his presidency. do you think today or a couple years from now we'll look at him differently? >> i think we're already looking at him differently. >> why? >> because i think first of all time takes care of itself. with some distance people look at history differently. they also look at president obama and realize a guy who had -- people who thought had all the tools for the presidency is having a really tough time.
i think also they recognize that they were really tough decisions that president bush made not for any other motive, not for political motive, because he thought it was the right thing to do regard lsz of how it came out, his motives were pure. >> you know, mika, some of the decisions that bush made after 9/11 are the decisions that enraged the far left more than any others. and on most of those -- not to say i told you so. you know i hate doing that. >> no, you don't do that. >> as i said even before obama went into office, gitmo, nsa wiretapping, a lot of these issues were not going to be pulled back because obama would say things on the campaign trail that were just -- they were unrealistic. the second he got his first briefing, i knew the second he got his first briefing, he'd go, okay, we'll have to walk that one back. so all the hatred and animosity
and all the stories about george bush hating the constitution and undermining the constitution, all of those things that were said about him now -- >> are being said about obama. >> -- being said about obama. it's not easy. it's a lot easier to campaign than it is to govern. >> absolutely. these two presidents have very different world views. that hasn't changed. reality has hit this president, obama, as he has hit office. but i like the world view that he came from. the gitmo stuff, you were absolutely right about in terms of howe it transpired and how it played out. >> you're talking about spending. there's been a big difference. i criticized bush for spending so much. and obama has reigned it -- oh, wait, it's not different there either. up next representative james clyburn joins the conversation. >> not really a big difference between the two. keep it here on "morning joe." tdd# 1-800-345-2550 what if every atm was free?
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who do you support? >> i don't think so. we'll look for a way to make sure both those members can stay in the democratic leadership. >> like a deal somehow, to get one of them to stand down? >> they're both going to be at the tail. it's not a preference over one person's leadership abilities over the other. these are very difficult decisions for the caucus. i'm confident that the members of the congress recognize that both gentlemen bring an enormous amount to the job and we will work it out. >> okay. we will work it out. >> they need to create a new position. >> that's what we do here on the show. >> we make up titles. >> make off stuff. joining us now democratic congressman from south carolina majority whip james clyburn. very good to have you back on the show. >> jim, how are you feeling? >> before we get to jim. >> i feel great, thank you so much. >> you're looking great. >> you look good. >> thank you so much. >> before we get to you and the issue with you, let's ask him about nancy pelosi. >> that's a good question. >> do you want to do it? >> yeah.
let's say that clemson went 0-11 and then they t next year they went 0-11 and the next year the coach said, you know what, i think i want to do this again, i'm feeling good. i think this is my time. >> stop, joe. >> would you rehire that coach at clemson or say it's time to move on. >> the coach made a lot of money for the school. >> let me thank you so much for going to a football analogy. >> he loves this because south carolina whipped alabama. but that's going around these days. >> nancy pelosi has been our quarterback, she's been a very good quarterback, we've been winning with her in three or four consecutive cycles. >> wu wade phillips had his day, too. they even fired tom landry at some point. i'm time to move on, buddy. >> sometimes it's the quarterback. sometimes it's the play selection and the quarterback doesn't always call the plays.
sometimes you have to deal with how the plays were executed. so all of that -- >> hold on, jim. are you telling me that the role of jerry jouns is being played by barack obama? is this barack obama's fault? >> sometimes we made collective decisions. look, we knew going on that health care was going to be big. you know, i do believe that we got in the place that we're in because of health care reform. but you know what? congress got in the play it was in over social security. a lot of people lost their seats over social security. but that was the right thing to do. a lot of people, in fact, democrats in the south, we lost the south because of civil rights back in the 1960s. that was the right thing to do. and so i do believe that health care was the right thing to do. >> it would have been good to hear that -- i'm feeling a sense of whiplash. where was that during the run-up to the midterms, health care was
the right thing to do? >> that's the thing. nobody talked about health care. they were afraid of health care. >> well, i talked about it a whole lot. >> but you don't have the toughest district you know. >> when you've got almost 10% unemployment and people want to get back to work and they are not getting there quickly enough, that's a problem for us. that was the backdrop to all of this. so you don't worry a whole lot about whether or not you're sick if you can't go to work. so that was a problem. >> congressman, nancy pelosi decided to stay on for the leadership job. the number two job is being contested between you and steny hoyer. are you the favorite and the underdog? >> i suspect i've been the underdog most of my political life and i probably am the underdog in this race. i've only been here 18 years. steny has been here around 30. i have my friends. he's got his friends. and the two of us are friends.
we are talking constantly. everybody is doing this in the open, nothing -- steny and i have talked daily throughout the contest and we're not going to leave this contest angry with each other. we'll be in a good place irrespective of the outcome. >> congressman, you made reference to how long you've been there. pelosi has been there a long time. what do you say to democrats who are worried after being repudiated and lose sog many seats that you should make some change and not have a bunch of leadership officials stay on? >> we're very intro speculative about this. we're having discussions as to how we should go forward. i think my party feels that this had nothing to do with nancy pelosi's leadership. it had everything to do with an economy that was close to collapse.
it has everything to do with an environment that we found ourselves in that had nothing to do with nancy pelosi or the people that we had on the field. so we're going to look at this and make some mid course corrections. we'll get this thing right. i'm confident that we'll come back strong sgler you really mean nothing, nothing to do with nancy pelosi, zero? >> i'll answer that. no. jim, thank you so much for being with us. we greatly appreciate it. good to see you. good luck. >> thank you so much. >> i don't think he heard us. >> no, he didn't. the secret service may have met its match in india. >> i was going to say it had a lot to do with nancy. newt gingrich, we couldn't get anything after three or four years, couldn't put anything on
the floor without him wrapping it up. he still passed some. at some point the costs became too high for the republican party to have him carry on as speaker. i think that's where the democrats are, mark. >> nancy pelosi is one of the most powerful speakers in history, and she is and has been and therefore takes the sglonlt she is so powerful she was able to have the election take place and have nothing to do with her. that's powerful. >> more on the president's tlip to india when we come back.
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problems don't have to do with nancy pelosi. the democrats still look like a party in denial. >> the other thing in president bush's book, the one real difference about these presidents, george bush never complained, never wi whined abo circumstances and always tried to take responsibility for what he did and what was on his watch. and i think president obama would be better served to recognize that, you know, he asked for the big chair and acted like he's got it. >> mika? you've got -- like this expression on your face. you get every time anybody says anything that's not overtly negative toward george w. bush. >> no. >> like you ate a lemon. >> no, i just think that no matter what this president does, there's loud criticisms in the media. >> wow, i'm impressed. >> that's what i'm saying about modern presidents in america. it's impossible for any modern american president, really, to -- to apiece a appease all o
the forces out there. >> well, in the modern presidency, you really need a president that understands the media world. and understands what to filter out. we've all been doing this long enough that guess what? this weekend, i was watching football, and soccer. by the way, liverpool is on their way back. >> yes. >> you know, you always hear those athletes going, well, i don't read the papers. well, guess what? they don't. you've got to be able to filter it out. >> and focus. >> and focus on the job at hand. >> up next, chris hayes. we'll be right back. the most powerful half ton crew in america has a powertrain backed for 100,000 miles. that's forty thousand more than ford. chevy silverado. the most dependable, longest-lasting full- size pickup on the road. use your all-star edition discount for... a total value of six thousand dollars on a 2011 silverado.
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i will say that when it comes to some of my supporters, part of it, i think, is the belief that if i just communicated things better, that i would be able to persuade that half of the country that voters for john mccain, that we were right, and they were wrong. you know, one of the things that i think is important for people to remember is that, you know, this country doesn't just agree with the "new york times" editorial page. and, you know, i can make some really good arguments defending the democratic position, and there are going to be some people who just don't agree with me. and that's okay. >> welcome back to "morning joe," just past the top of the hour. a live look at new york city. we have mark halprin with us,
and washington editor of "the nation" magazine, and editor, chris hayes. there is so much going on. >> have you seen that, chris hayes? >> yes, we are in the "new york times" this morning, that is correct. >> so bad is good, and good is bad, and good bad news for democrats is good for the nation. >> i'm sure if you put in a call to the weekly standard, you'll hear good business is booming right now. >> what about rush limbaugh exploded in the age of clinton? that's a reality of media that when you're in opposition -- >> opposition sells. >> opposition sells, exactly. so what do you think, chris, that in the president last night on "60 minutes" seemed to be suggesting that some on the left and understand that there needed to be compromise? what was your take? not only on that answer that we just showed, but also on the president's performance overall?
>> well, i thought the point he made wasn't necessarily people on the left didn't understand there needed to be compromise so much as it's important to remember that there are, you know -- you can lose sight of the fact that the recaliper swaysive pours of any president are the unlimited objective conditions of the country now which continue to be bad, and two the fact that people have their own politics. so if you look at the democratic house losses, for instance, john sites, a political analyst, ran the numbers, 85% of the results can be predicted just based on whether mccann won the district or not. a lot of seats democrats lost were seats that frankly, they probably shouldn't have been representing anyway. >> and chris, just to back that up. >> yeah. >> just so people don't -- here are the realities of it. a lot of extremists on both sides don't like political realities. here are the realities. like 46, 47, 48 seats that mccain won. mccain! >> right.
>> in 2008. >> right. >> and if mccain is winning your district in 2008, that is a republican-leaning district that democrats owned. on top of that, '06 and 'oh 8 for the democrats, back-to-back. you don't have two years like the democrats had often in '06 and '08, and all combined together, they naturally have 45 seats up for grabs. and i'm not knocking the republicans. they had a huge night. but even if unemployment were at 5%, republicans still would have picked up 30 seats, at least. >> i think that's right. and i think the other thing to think about in terms of, you know -- i heard you guys talking about pelosi and the record. look, there's a few things here. one is that it's -- it's undeniable that the signature legislative accomplishment, which was health care, the bill itself, the provisions of it is another story. the bill itself wasn't a popular bill, it continues to not be a popular bill. it most likely hurt democrats. jim clyburn just said that. i think that's the reality anybody who looks at the data
comes away thinking. it's going to turn out in the long run, it was still the right thing to do. one of the things i admire about nancy pelosi, i think she approached her job thinking we have a window of opportunity to pass legislation that will improve the country. and our job is not perpetual re-election. our job is actually to get some stuff done. and is they took some hits for it. and in the long run, i think she is going to sleep fine at night. >> let me say, if they believed that, if they really believed they could lose the house, and mark you suggested they could. >> i think so -- >> if i were speaker and had a two-year window, and i knew i had only two years to end the war in afghanistan, save entitlements by going after social security and making it solvent, raising the retirement age, enacting means testing, i mean, you would do that, wouldn't you? >> there is the opportunity. and you made a great point about those seats, joe. and my hope, and i have seen some evidence the republicans
don't see this as a mandate for the republican party. >> right. and the body language and the leadership and marco rubio's speech. >> great speech. >> they've got a lot of rebuilding to do on their side. we would have lost most of the seats anyway. >> can you explain, mark, because a lot of republicans watching would be very angry but us seeming to downplay what the republicans did. but this is just the reality. that a lot of these seats were republican seats and democratic hands, anyway. and mitch mcconnell even said -- i will credit him with saying, this isn't about us. >> yeah, yeah. and as did a lot of the other republicans. so i think there is a real opportunity here that i hope the republicans won't waste. we have seen eric cantor lay out a 22-page plan and boehner with his pledge. so i think in the next month or two and i think it's a short window, by the way, the partisan paralysis sets in. there's an opportunity for the republican leadership and president to both do themselves some good here. >> what's great is we will know
by the spring. if it by the spring republicans have cut spending in a meaningful way, they'll have fulfilled their promise. if they don't, they got elected to get elected. >> and chris, you wanted to chime in. >> yeah, i just wanted to say in terms of this mandate issue, a., it's worth remembering that, you know, the democrats still control the white house, and one of the houses of congress. >> what? >> so there's -- you know, this is divided government, a. b., i thought it was interesting, the first thing -- and i watched election night coverage on this network and other networks, and the one talking point from every republican, from eric cantor to john boehner to mitch mcconnell to michele bachmann was the number one priority of the new and improved republican party, the republican majority in the house is the bush tax cuts. it's the signature policy. the signature policy of the bush administration from the year 2003. the first and only thing they wanted to discuss was maintaining the tax cuts for the richest 1%, 10% of americans. that to me signaled that there isn't a lot of new stuff here. i mean, this is essentially the
same policies that we have been seeing. they could have -- >> yeah, but there is, though -- this is how republicans are going to be judged. they lost in 2008, because they would talk about what republicans talk about. less spending, less taxes, less regulation. less government. they didn't do any of that. of so we will see, the real challenge is, you say you're going to balance a budget, you say you're going to cut spending, guess what, that means you have to take on entitleme s entitlements, the pentagon. if i hear another republican saying we're going to cut spending but the pentagon is off the table, i think i'm going to scream. you can't take entitlements off the table. >> which the by the way -- >> you have can't take the pentagon off the table. $2.7 billion a week -- >> marco rubio, tim pawlenty on your show the other day, mitch daniels, they're talking about entitlemen entitlements. marco rubio from florida is talking about raising the retirement age. >> whether or not marco rubio is
talking about entitlements now, the ads he ran against his opponent was attacking kendrick meek for supporting the health care bill, and the one line knock on it was it cut $500 billion from medicare. that's true of republicans across the country. the one line attack on the affordable care act was that it cut money from medicare. to then turn around and pivot and say no, now we're going to cut on entipthsmentes having cut on the other guys, strikes me as hypocritical. >> it's shameless, democrats attacking republicans on social security and the back and forth. my biggest problems with the cuts on medicare, the 500 billion cuts in medicare, is instead of taking that money and putting it to the side to make medicare solve for a few more years, they created a new entitlement system. it just -- both sides have been so reckless. >> chris, you brought up the bush tax cuts, and alex, go to a. for our must-reads.
this is what frank rich wrote yesterday. obama has a huge opening here. should he take it? he could call the republicans' bluff by forcing them to fill in their own blanks. he could start offering them what they want. the full bush tax cuts in exchange for a single caveat. gop leaders would be required to stand before big glenn beck style caulk board on c-span or fox news and list with dollar amounts exactly which budget cuts would pay for them. once they hit the first trillion or even $100 billion, step back and let the adult conversation begin. of joe. >> that's exactly what i would do. >> if i were barack obama, i would say you know what, i want to balance the budget, form entitlements, i'm just a guy from chicago. why don't you smart guys lead the way? and show -- would you not force them to show their cards? >> absolutely. >> this is why they took over congress. >> yeah. >> so show us. >> yeah, i agree with that. >> and it's not a trivial amount of money. at the top end, right, the difference between the democratic proposal on the table and the full extension of the bush tax cuts, is if i'm not
mistaken, $70 billion a year, right? that's a lot of money. >> if you were going to reform social security and medicare and balance the budget and do all these things, you are going to have to do so many unpopular things. no extinctiension of the bush t cuts. pentagon spending not off the table. social security will have to be raised. medicare is going to have to be completely reformed. that is if you want to save this country. if if you want to just get elected two years from now, then you can keep lying to the american people. >> the good news -- >> you don't have cancer, you know what, we opened you up and you know we just closed it, and you go play golf, knowing that the patient is going to die. >> that's exactly right. the good news is the adult conversation has begun and people like tim pawlenty on your show the other day talking about means testing, rubio in a very brave speech a couple weeks ago, so we cracked the door and are having a discussion. i'm encouraged by that. >> can i inject -- i would like to inject a note of sunny
reaganistic optimism here. we're not on the road to the path of destruction. it's important to keep -- to distinguish social security for medicare, and to look at what the underlying problems are. social security is solvent through around 2020, 2025. there's going to have to be some changes in the margin at some point. medicare is driven by health care costs and a huge part of what this bill was about was bringing down the cost structure, changing the curve and changing the incentives so the cost structure comes down. maybe it will be a total failure, but it's not like they haven't addressed it at considerable political cost. the number one thing they talked about in selling this health care bill was precisely the issue that everybody, quote, in the serious conversation is now obsessed with, which is dealing with the long term actuarial problems presented by medicare. >> and now really the republicans are going to be working on pulling this back and is that going to be the next battle and should it be, or are we going to say the same thing all over again, jobs.
why aren't they focusing on jobs? >> if republicans focus laser-like on health care and attacking health care, they're going to find themselves in the same position, obsessively, that barack obama found himself in. obsessing about health care. it's about the jobs, it's about getting people back to work. and as you step back, it's mark halprin, making the united states of america a solvent nation for the next 50 years. and i don't know. will there be the political courage on both sides to do this? >> as a matter of just pure cynical politics, i'm not sure that attacking health care can't be made into a jobs issue. >> that's what i was wondering. >> i think it's going to take strong leaders, like the people mark referenced, to say to the republicans, you can't just attack health care. because that will keep gridlock for two years. they say businesses are laying people off. you have seen, and the white house is very worried about this, premiums going up in a lot of big companies, a lot of states people aren't signing up for some of the new programs.
so they have not just a selling job to do on health care, but they need to get the thing to start working, or i think republicans can just run against -- >> social security, medicare, let's talk about defense cuts, let's talk about domestic spending cuts. is there the political will to do that? >> there isn't right now. the president is going to have to balance, trying to embarrass republicans starting in december when the deficit commission reports, trying to embarrass them and call them out with actually trying to get a deal, trying to get them in a room and saying we need trust and cooperation to have not just adult conversation, but strike an adult deal. i'm more optimistic than most people, because i think the president is going to put an extra order amount of capital on that, but it's going to be very tempting for republicans not to make any deal, because it has to involve revenue increases. it has to involve defense, it has to involve doing a lot of things they have taken off the table and have been politically advantageous for them. >> it's got to be put back on the table. chris? >> ronald reagan raised taxes, and he raised taxes in a way that any republican who voted for that tax raise in 2008 or
2009, if it was a democratic plan, would find themselves primaried by a tea party can't dad faster than -- you know, it would happen right away. so the -- right now, all of the political incentives on the right are complete implaquable opposition to any kind of -- >> and chris, the reallity on the other side of that is, any democrat that agreed to raising the retirement age for social security are cuts with medicare would find himself or herself primaried, correct? >> i don't know about that. >> i do. let me help you with that chris hayes of "the nation," yes, they would. implackable opposition. barack obama tried to be responsible in february of 2009 on social security and medicare and make that part of the fiscal responsibility summit, a laughably named is up summit, right after the stimulus. nancy pelosi wouldn't let him do it, saying no, we're not talking about social security, not
talking about medicare, not talking about being responsible. and i think therein lies your problem. tax cuts on the left, it's entitlements. >> but the democratic party just -- wait a second. it cannot be the following two things. it cannot be that there was, quote, $500 billion cut from -- from medicare on one hand and b., that the democratic party is wimpy when it comes to dealing with the -- they spent a year political capital -- >> $5 billion that was moved from a -- a bloated system that is going under, to create a new system that most americans is suspect will be just as bloated and inefficient down the road. you didn't cut $500 billion to save the existing entitlement program. you cut $500 billion to have the money to create a new entitlement program. >> my point is that the argument for it, and the argument they made and whether it bears out or not, just put that aside for a second. i'm talking for the -- in terms of political courage -- >> right but that gave them the
cover to say we gave you universal health care by almost 18, 19 million people who are still off the rolls. >> right. but the whole point is they spent a year of political capital dealing with this issue, so i'm just saying you cannot say that the democratic party has just -- >> but going back to our point, though, chris, when you're talking about primary opposition, the democrats were given cover cutting medicare. because they created a new entitlement program that democratic primary voters loved even more than medicare. >> well, a., i don't know if that's true, and b., it's not an entitlement. >> okay. >> so in the end, chris, do you think republicans and democrats can come together on entitlement reform, on cutting the pentagon budget, on cutting domestic spending? >> wait a second. here's what i think. i think that right now, the recession and the nature of the liquidity trap we're in, and the collapse of demand is such that we should really be thinking
about that. to say that the richest country in the history of human civilization is insolvent is a tremendous overstatement. right now, we have an unbelievable underutilization of the human capacity, productive capacity in the american economy. that's what they should be coming together to deal with right now. >> you may be right. he's talking -- he's talking about the supply side. he really is. we can grow ourselves out of this problem. >> yeah. >> and i love you for that. >> chris hayes, it's good to have you on the show. >> come around, chris. >> and tell katrina congratulations on the article, it's in the "new york times" talking about the nation. >> i will. >> so cute. >> talking about it's high cotton, baby. >> we're still here, 1865 and still ticking. >> that's great. >> coming up, tension. >> that is a long run for -- >> that's a long run. that's a long run. tensions boil over in india as robert gibbs threatens to pull president obama from the meeting due to a press dispute, next in
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>> that's awful. >> no, that's cheap. let's take a look at the morning paper. we're going to start with "the new yorker", a magazine. the new issue is out this morning. the cover image is titled "bumped". the cartoonist, the same artist who gave us the fist jab cover back during the 2008 campaign. remember that? interesting. >> "new york times," upcoming vacancies in the pentagon post. president obama a chance to reshape the defense department leadership. "usa today." get ready to pay more for airline tickets this holiday season. analysis shows domestic fares are up an average of 17%. from a year ago for travel later this month. and in late december and also in early january. >> well -- >> a lot of good. >> we'll go to michael less than allen. but first this airfare increase. at least you get great service. and they take care of you. >> right. >> they take care of you, take care of your bags for 50 bucks. >> 50 bucks a pop.
>> yep. make you wait for hours on the runway. >> and the great thing is -- >> circle, and maybe land somewhere else. like if you're planning on going to jfk. >> you're talking about american airlines now. >> only so much food on board, because you wouldn't want to waste money. money that you're taking from your customers. you know what, albany is nice this time of year, too. you could stop there and just sit. >> and rochester. >> and watch them fuel up. but you can watch them drive very, very slowly across the tarmac. >> okay, we're getting really -- >> you wouldn't want to gas up too quickly. no, no rush. albany is beautiful. >> okay, give me one of those signs. quit, stop, okay? >> good stuff -- >> she has been diverted three times upstate new york. >> seriously, i think you do it to me, you tell them to divert my plane. >> i'm trying to explain this, okay? will you please tell the blue pill to take a seat in the back and let me just finish? okay? i'm just trying to explain this to people. geez, anyway, it's a long story.
forget it. let's go to politica. i tried to explain it, help her out. >> michael less than is, of course, the chief white house correspondent for politico. a look at the playbook. you have something juicy for us. a new picture hot of the press. a photograph showing robert gibbs arguing with security in india. according to reports, gibbs threatened to pull president obama out of a bilateral meeting with the president from india. >> he did. apparently the indian security has been a headache the whole time. they even tried to stop our own press corps from taking photographs of the president under the wing of air force one, so everybody was hot under the collar. then before this one-on-one meeting with the indian prime minister, they tried to take the white house press pool of eight, and, of course, that's all carefully worked out, and negotiated, everybody has got their spot. they tried to cut it down to five. robert gibbs said you're not doing it. he started shouting with the
indian security. they just wouldn't listen. so then he wedged his foot in the door, and he said, "i'm going to pull the president from this meeting." they didn't budge. and so he said "are you going to break my foot?" and when he said that he would go ahead and give his fit foot for the press, they finally listened to him. and the pool which is now call themselves the white house eight got to come in and see the whole meeting. >> what a story. >> standing up for the reporters. >> i think when we peel back the layers on this, it's all going to get back to savannah guthrie. >> i can't', but they -- >> tantrum -- >> she's kind of like keith richards in toronto. no, seriously. she packs so much heroin when she goes on trips. >> it's going to catch up to her. >> we're going to have to send a thank you note for standing fou up for savannah. >> his foot. >> first amendment. >> they love him over there. >> all right, mike, thanks so much. >> thank you, mike. coming up next, a check on
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>> yes, i can see. >> just want to report that joe did not embarrass. >> try not to. >> all alma mater. he did just fine. >> we went up to williams election night. >> i heard about this. that's amazing. >> no, not really. i wouldn't say it's amazing. >> what do you mean -- >> no, it was amazing. >> it was amazing. >> so you open up the williams record. and here's "morning joe" on the record. >> oh, no. >> here's what she says. >> why would you do that? this is a good segment. >> i get into williams by the skin of my teeth, i worked like hell for a c plus, because you are all really smart. i was happy to be here, and sometimes when you surround yourself with excellence, you rise up. >> now what am i doing? >> this is what i said. stop that. >> oh. >> this is what i said to the williams kids. this is the first time i've been away from tv in a very long time, but the reason i came up is because i was told you were all good loyal, republicans and i thought for one night i would
love to preach to the choir. >> it wasn't a single republican in the audience. >> it was a handful. >> did you have a show of hands? >> we did. we did a show of hands. and there were -- >> there were three. >> it was a smattering. >> read that headline at the bottom of the front page there. turn that over. bottom right. >> students cope with unwelcome rodents. >> side bar. you know, they were very -- >> better than bedbugs. >> they were very, very gracious. >> weren't they wonderful? seriously. you're never let down by a williams kid. >> they don't let a lot of conservatives in at that school. >> they had a handle. it's like a small school. >> we were at harvard the night before. >> erin, we're taking your time. >> not a lot of republicans. so anyway. >> yes, erin, a check of business before the bell. >> okay, so coming off a big week as you know, 3% gain for the dow, 326 points. so that was the celebration. that was ben bernanke's
money-printing party. and now we are -- people are a little nervous. and so basically the big focus this week is going to be what's going to happen to the u.s. dollar, can ben bernanke make the case for why putting $600 billion into the system on top of the $1.5 trillion he has already put in is smart and not an absolutely insane policy that will hurt the country. that's his job. he's going to work on that all week. and, of course, president obama is going to also be defending it at the g-20 meeting in korea. so this is going to be really center of the entire debate. i ran some numbers, guys, i thought you would find interesting. because we talk about this qe2 and you talk about what does it mean for me? basically, we took somebody who made $75,000 a year, which is well above the average in the united states. so far didn't quantitative easing was announced, that person is worse off than they were before, because even if they were able to refinance their mortgage -- >> you told me that quantitative easing might cause this. >> i told you so, guy. we had this conversation. >> when it comes to quantitative
easing, really nice, one of the best in the business. >> so it's pretty simple. the goal is to try to make prices for things go up, right? like stocks. and also to make interest rates go down. so for the average person, if they're able to refinance, and i put a big if around that, because as we know, one in four americans cannot do so. so if you were able to do that, your mortgage costs have gone down, and an adjustable rate mortgage, maybe your 401(k) has gone up in value. so that's the good side. the bad side overwhelms it, the fact that prices are up nearly 3% since august when we first heard about this quantitative easing. so food and fuel prices have gone up on a dollar value by more than the money you're saving on your mortgage. so as of now for the regular person, they're worse off. but if i add zeros, so $750,000, $7.5 million, that person weiay way, way better off because they have more investments. >> so quantitative easing. >> so the big guy. >> on another subject, williams amhertz, who wins? >> i always am going to say
williams. although i know they have kind of had a struggle this year. >> oh. >> undefeated. >> number one in sports and academics. >> yes. >> number one. >> struggled at all. >> the sears cup. sort of the best of athletics and academics, joe wins it a lot. >> okay. >> erin, thank you so much. coming up -- thank you for not embarrassing us. >> no. i love it. a great place. very nice community up there. >> centrally located, too. >> in the berkshires, yes. >> northwest corner of massachusetts. it's beautiful. >> it is beautiful. >> have you ever run up bee hill? >> yes, i have. >> have you ever run up stone hill? >> you are so seriously -- you're so in the weeds this morning, i don't know what medication you took last night, but i would ask that you sort of -- >> it was -- >> colorado calibrate it a little differently. >> i wonder if i mixed? >> you mixed. next, potential proof that a fortune may be rigged. and a look at live football scores from across the pond.
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>> that's right. >> whew! >> okay, that is a total scandal. >> yes, it is. >> somebody is lying. >> yeah. >> well, we question why she would go for the solve at that point. i've been told by one of our leading experts on "wheel of fortune" in-house here that it was a prize puzzle, and "wheel of fortune," as soon as you know it, you need to solve it, because then you get the vacation immediately. >> yeah, but there is no way she could have known that. >> the deeper question is how could she have known. >> there's no way. >> being a soccer analyst, also the coauthor of "everything you need to know is pong," how tennis shapes our world, and roger, you have seen me suffering with liverpool. >> you have enjoyed it. >> you have enjoyed it for a while now. >> yesterday about halfway through the match, i tweeted that liverpool woke up, a sleeping giant awakened and it wasn't just the scores. this team looked great.
>> yeah, liverpool -- the revolution continues. three straight wins, jay. who is the governor? >> who is the governor? is . >> wellington and montgomery. john henry -- >> look at this, by the way. >> unbelievable. >> unbelievable goal. >> second coming of torres, a shadow -- his mojo is back. >> look at this again. look at this. torres, who has been vilified. he's had a very, very sad -- >> world cup. and he's now got a mullet again. and he celebrated by playing the dire straits, the sultons of swing, in the changing room afterwards. jim, you could be in the top four within a couple weeks. >> listen, we're going to. liverpool plays. they went from being in last place -- >> good times. >> the relegated. >> happy days. >> the red sox pick them up. after the next three matches, they play three of the four lowest teams.
they're going to be near the top. >> the amazing thing is john henry, the red sox owner, so vocal, compared the english soccer to the wild west, but turned the team into a bunch of gun slingers very quickly. the chelsea machine. and a title challenge. we do have a title challenge, because manchester united, they did what champions do, played terribly and got a result. >> but they won in fergie time afterwards. >> they did. they won in the 94th minute. this is the equalizer, having a draw. alex ferguson said my expire team were playing with diarrhea. >> oh. >> don't try that at home, am i correct america, but in the 94th minute, skipped through. that's what manchester united do. and on wednesday, they play manchester city in a clash so heated, that the police have banned alcohol in the entire city. >> oh, my goodness. >> they know. >> so man city is a team, obviously they have bought a lot
of players, spent a lot of money. >> a lot of money. >> on saturday -- >> yes. >> man city was in dire straits, speaking of dire straits, on sunday. the skies opened up. >> this whole league is topsy-turvey. they've got this player, balatelli which i think means petula petulant. he stood in the corner with a pair of headphones on. has two powerful goals. managed to get him sent off in the 60th minute, just when the manchester city fans are warming to him. >> i think by the end, we're going to have man city, liverpool, everybody fighting for fourth place. >> everyone. everton, that's a team you lost. now seven points between the re
relygations. >> so the red sox, you have been stunned by how well john henry has done. >> he's not vocal with the red sox, leading the charge, tweets only about the team. his wife has become the queen of england. they are quite charmed by her beauty and intelligence. he tweeted to the fans, what song should i sing? local fans want her there every sunday. >> who else was there? >> larry. >> larry was there. >> larry was over there, and he caught the magic of liverpool soccer. barnacle is now isolated in boston, the only nonliverpool fan. >> barnacle has got the football fever, he and pat buchanan watched the game together, no doubt about it. >> so how is your book on pong changing western civilization. >> we're changing from football frenzy to ping-pong pandemonium. we have a very big week. on wednesday night at the lincoln center. >> look at this.
>> the tournaments of champions. the host of unbelievable pongers will be battling to the death. >> unlike in your book, will people be dressed at this event? >> you have a lot -- >> i'll be wearing pants. i'll be wearing pants. other than that, i can't tell. >> okay. >> 7:00 on wednesday, new york city. >> here's something, upper west siders, you don't hear often. ping-pong at the lincoln center. it's our neighborhood. >> ping upon is hot. there is a place on 100th street. >> i live right above it. lincoln center was made for table tennis. >> well, next, our political round table. we'll be right back. ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪
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so i would like the president to make it abundantly clear that all options are on the table. and we all know what that means. and if this day ever came, my advice to the president in open session here, if you take military action against iran as the last effort to stop their nuclear ambitions, you do open up pandora's box, but if you let them acquire nuclear weapons, you empty pandora's box so my view of military force to be not to just neutralize their military program, by you're probably dispersed in, but to sink their navy, destroy their air force and deliver a decisive blow to the guard. in other words, neutralize the
regime. >> okay, that would be one approach. to neuter them. all right. let's try and -- let's look at some other options, i'm thinking. like -- >> well -- >> and i don't want to be -- >> i -- i -- i don't know, i like lindsay. i think lindsay likes me. i don't get this -- this -- this neo conservativism on crack. >> it doesn't seem very constructive. >> if you -- if you look at a map of the globe, we own iraq. >> yeah. >> and then you've got iran in the middle. and we own afghanistan. are we going to -- >> neuter. >> 2,000 miles, 3,000 -- i mean, how many miles of terrain does the united states have to occupy? >> oh. as much as we could go into debt for. joining us now is the editor of "tablin and pen" on an thol gee
dedicated to the people of iran. >> yeah, it's a collection of contemporary poetry, fiction, short stories, nonfiction, transferred from arabic put together in a way to tell the story of the middle east, not through the words of invaders and could longialists but through writers. it's to reframe the perception we have. >> the perception of the middle east. like, for instance, with iran, most americans see it as a regressive reactionary radical regi regime. and have no idea what an extraordinary culture. >> and people. >> the persians have. >> the modern young iran. >> culture, incredible music. one of the greatest literary traditions in the world. and these are really the only ways we can get to know each other. we're at a time right now we have all talked about this a million times before in which
anti muslim sentiment, anti middle eastern sentiment is at unprecedented levels. islam and people of the middle east are being seen increasingly as other, foreign, exotic, not us. and the only way to break through those walls and barriers is through the arts. that's the universal language that helps us get to know each other. >> to better understand the culture underlying the politics. >> what would you say are some of the conventional myths about the region? >> well, i guess the biggest is that the region defines itself solely through the lens of religion. we look at it as sort of this theo accuratic state when we found out last year it's an incredibly complex, diverse, eclectic society, and one thing i can tell you and you would find this out if you just read their poetry and their fiction, is that they are deeply nationalistic, which is why when we're laughing at what lindsey graham was saying, i mean, he actually believes that if we are going to deal with iran's
nuclear ambitions through military outlet then we're going to have to neuter the entire country. listen, the iranians, as we know, hate their own government. they absolutely do. they would like nothing more than to change the regime. >> this is important for people to understand. >> they are also -- the possible exception of americans, the most patriotic, most nationalistic people on earth. this isn't iraq. this isn't afghanistan. these are sort of fake countries put together. and if you attack iran, it's the best way to ensure that this government goes absolutely nowhere. >> you would unify iran and the iranians, unlike our so-called allies, the majority likes america. >> what's the best case, if the goal is to have iran be peaceful in the community of nations, what's the best case as you see it playing out? >> you've got to address concerns. iran is a threat to america's national security. but from the iranian perspective, we're kind of a threat to their national security. you were talking about pakistan
and afghanistan. don't forget turkey, kuwait, we have drawn a circle of american troops around the country. so if they're a little bit paranoid, they've kind of got a right. >> well, they were paranoid long before then. >> you were talking about the government of ahmadinejad. >> and that's just it. you're talking about a fractured government. even amongst ahmadinejad's own supporters, they're going after each other. >> by the way, who is running iran right now? it's not ahmadinejad. is it the clerics? >> we have no idea, is it the military, the religious leadership, the president. >> what's your best guess. >> i think the revolutionary guard are increasingly taking control. >> reza, thank you so much. the book, once again, is "tablet and pen," literally landscapes from the modern middle east. thank you so much. a great perspective. up next. what, if anything, did we learn today?