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night and saying what had to be said. >> it is a privilege to serve and privilege to speak out for american women. >> you can have the last word online at our blog. you can also follow us on facebook and follow me at lawrence on twitter. that's tonight's last word. "rachel maddow show" is up next. good evening, rachel. >> good evening. that interview with the congresswoman was incredible. >> thanks. thanks do you at home for joining us this hour. the team that won the super bowl is a team that doesn't have an own owner. it is a team collectively owned by 112,000 people, people that are fans of the team and who own it together. the team is a nonprofit. that team, of course, is from wisconsin, from green bay, wisconsin. it is hard to imagine them being from anywhere else. this is what wisconsin looks
like. this right here is the town of union, wisconsin. yes, i should have specified which one i meant, because actually there are seven towns in the state of wisconsin that are called union. not north union and west union and east union, no, they're all called union, wisconsin. there is one in pierce county, in burnett county, in door county. there are seven towns called union, and they are all over the state. you know the whole concept of unemployment insurance, that while you're employed you pay a small part of your paycheck for unemployment insurance, and if you get laid off, that system pays you unemployment benefits. you know where we got that from? wisconsin. they enacted the first unemployment compensation law in 1932. you know the idea of worker's
compensation, know where we got that from? wisconsin. in 1911, wisconsin passed the nation's first statewide worker's compensation law. it eventually made it so employers had to provide payment, compensation to their employees if the employee got hurt on the job. it made it so employers would pay compensation for loss of life or limb if it occurred on the job. if you get killed on the job, lose an arm on the job, you and your family get compensation for that. everything we think of now as worker's compensation, thank you, wisconsin. when most of us think of wisconsin now, we think about the packers, cheeseheads, cheese curds, happy days, the fonz. hello, mr. winkler. that's what we think of when we think about wisconsin. when americans thought about wisconsin, about what wisconsin means to the rest of america, we have had to think about the
rights of people who work for a living. you know how today is friday? oh, how i love friday. today was a particularly beautiful friday in new york city. but even the worst day in the world is a good day if it is a friday. and why is that? because after friday is the weekend, and for most people working most kinds of jobs in america, weekends are days off. the whole concept of the weekend, again, thank you, wisconsin! the eight-hour workday and 40 hour work week was a wisconsin movement. some died 24 years ago fighting for those rights. the governor ordered state militia to shoot to kill to any that entered the mill for marching. the militia opened fire. seven protesters were killed. those lives were lost to that cause, but that cause prevailed,
and in all likelihood, you get tomorrow off. in 1954, about 35% of wage and salary employees in america were in unions. about 35%. by 2000, down to 13%. by 2010, less than 12%. here's one thing to understand about what's going on in wisconsin right now. the national figure right now for belonging to a union is 11.9%. that is the percentage of people who have full-time jobs in america in a union, that's it. but if you divide that, willing to look closely at that, divide into public and private sector, among those that work in private sector, only 7% are in unions. in the public sector, that number still pretty healthy. that's about the same proportion of the whole country that was in a union in 1954. remember those days, commonly referred to as the happy days. more than one in three fonz ies
were in a union. that is still true today of those in public sector. 36% of public sector employees in this country are in a union. the biggest public sector in the union in the country was founded where? wisconsin. afscme was founded in 1935 in madison, wisconsin. wisconsin became one of the first states to establish collective bargaining rights. this is where this stuff comes from. this is why even as the middle east is blowing up right now and congress has been in session until after midnight three nights this week, and russia has undertaken a fake mission to mars, that they admit is fake. even while there's all of this amazing stuff going on elsewhere in the world and in our own country and even in our own politics, this is why the eyes of the country are firmly fixed on wisconsin. this is why if the republicans win in wisconsin, if they beat
the unions and break the unions in wisconsin, they run the table in the rest of the country. this is why if you can bust public unions in wisconsin, you can bust them anywhere. wisconsin is where it started in our country. wisconsin is the alpha and the omega of the rights of people that work for a living in this country. wisconsin people are the ones that set the standard. they are the ones that died for it in some cases. you want to know why they are fighting? we discussed on last night's show, the republican party has every reason in the world to try to break up unions now. republican party has corporate america on their side, and corporate america always wanted to break up unions. that's why it was hard to get the rights in the first place. that's why the business versus labor things still apply. but the corporate split in american politics right now makes the incentives here so direct for the republican party. we talked about this last night
on the show, and from the reaction we got last night and today, we seem to have touched a nerve here. this is what big money in american politics looks like. in 2008, the groups that spent the most money on elections were chamber of commerce, freedom's watch and nra on the right, and to the left, two unions. service employees international union, which you may have heard described on fox news as, you know, the root of all evil in the world, and the wisconsin founded public sector union that we talked about earlier, afscme. the only top five big spenders for democrats in 2008, only top five big spenders were unions. look what happened in the next election, look what happened in 2010. after the citizen united ruling, the big money on the right skyrocketed. of the top ten outside spending groups in last year's elections, seven of them right wing groups like chamber of commerce, karl
rove's organizations funded by billionaires. conservative groups like the american future fund. the only nonconservative groups that cracked the top ten in the last election were the public employees union and the seiu, and the teachers union, that's it, in terms of large scale money spent in elections, unions are the only competition republicans have. the only one on the union side. essentially all of corporate america is on the republican side. the only institutions of any size with any heft at all on the liberal side are the unions. after the citizens united ruling came out, the ruling that allows corporations to spend endlessly on elections, you know, the defensive explanation given on the right about why the ruling wasn't just stacking every election in the republicans' favor, the defensive explanation was hey, unions can spend endlessly, too. that's why it was supposedly a
fair ruling for both sides. but okay, if you crush the unions, say you get the public sectors down from 30% down to 7% like they are for private sector, say you do that, then the only remaining institutions spending endlessly on elections will be corporations. the only institutions that will benefit from citizens united to be able to spend endlessly on elections, who can spend endlessly will be corporations, corporations that donate money disproportionately to right wing groups and spend on republican candidates. the chamber of commerce donations were 93% republican. 93%. nobody spent more than they did. in terms of substantial game changing money players in politics, unions are it. they are the only big players on the liberal side. they are the only fish of any real size on the liberal side. and so they must be destroyed. the republican party now has the
most direct incentive you can possible imagine to use public policy to destroy unions. 36% of public employees are unionized? oh, no, that cannot stand. >> where the public unions all together, get rid of them. >> personally, i can't see this guy walker, yes. >> you would like to get rid of the unions. you don't believe in collective bargaining for employees, period? >> no, i don't think public employees need collective bargaining, that's correct. >> that's correct. public employees should not be in unions, says the republican state senator from wisconsin. democrats do not tend to think like this. but republicans influenced by conservative movement, they are pretty good at taking the long view, about using public policy for partisan purposes. this is one thing they actually do like government for. using public policy to dismantle the institutions that make it possible for democrats to win
elections. so what's happening now in wisconsin with this effort to dismantle, get rid of public sector unions, that's going to happen in ohio, going to happen in new jersey, in indiana, going to happen all over the country wherever there are republican governors. it is to make public sector unions go away, in terms of high level money, not a romantic idea, but decides who wins election in terms of high level unions, they are the only competition they have, so they are under assault by public policy and under assault by republican governors. it is the same reasoning that explains why republicans in states all over the country this year like many years are also making it harder to register to vote. is there a voter fraud epidemic in this country? no, almost no serious evidence of voter fraud anywhere in the country. but if you make it harder to register to vote, then you make it harder to register new voters, and that is something the democratic party has long relied on for its electoral strength. first time voters, young voters, immigrant citizen voters, they
tend to vote democratic. the process to get them signed up must be stopped. last time legislators did what these senators have done, last time they fled the state to block legislature from doing something it was over again republicans using public policy for partisan purposes. using public policy to try to institutionally disadvantage the democratic party so democrats can't win elections. it was in the great state of texas that relates to the thing tom delay is going to jail for. he took corporate money, laundered it through the national republican party to engineer restructuring of the texas congressional delegation, so that four fewer democrats and four more republicans would go to the u.s. congress from texas, to stop the legislature from doing that. democrats in texas fled the state. they went to oklahoma first, then later went to new mexico. but you know how that one ended? it ended when one of the democrats that fled the state
gave into the pressure from republicans and came back, which is all that republicans needed. they only needed one. they passed their plan. ultimately, texas congressional delegation lost four democrats and gained four republicans. institutional balance of power shifted. when the democrats fled the state to stop republicans from using public policy to institutionally shift the balance of power in the state, to institutionalize republican rule, texas republicans needed to peel off one of those democrats to win the standoff. only needed one and they got it. you know how many democrats the republicans need to peel off in wisconsin to win the standoff there? one. all 14 state democratic senators left wisconsin to deny republicans the quorum they need to vote on that union stripping bill. they only need one to get a quorum. republicans get one of them to come back, it is over. the democrats do not hold together in wisconsin, then the place that gave us the weekend,
the place that gave us unemployment benefits and worker's compensation and the eight hour workday and the 40-hour work week, and the nation's biggest public workers union and one of the first collective bargaining agreements for public workers, the state with 7 townvii towns union, the where the super bowl champs are clekively owned, it will be the start of the end of all of those rights for workers that wisconsin earned for the country. and it is going to be the start of the end of the democratic party's electoral chances in not just the next election but every election the rest of our life times. it is all hinging on the wisconsin 14. these 14 democrats who for the moment have stopped this radical anti-union bill. one of those democrats joins us from somewhere outside wisconsin next.
madison police department. 40,000 people. conservative groups say they want to start staging counter protests tomorrow. more on that later in the show. fourteen people at the heart of the fight were not at the state capitol today. they are wisconsin's 14 state senators that are democrats. they have left the state so republicans can't get a quorum to reconvene the senate so they can't vote to strip union rights. democrats are dug in for the standoff, say they will not be the first to flinch. we will hear from one of those senate democrats next. [ male announcer ] surprisingly priced at $15,995, the all-new 2011 jetta has arrived.
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from wisconsin state patrol. state troopers at the house of the democratic leader of the wisconsin state senate today. minority leader senator mark miller wasn't home when police arrived. had he been, state constitution says the state patrol could have compelled him to return to senate chamber, even if he did not want to go. that's why wisconsin senate democrats have all left the state. if they don't go back into the state, the senate can't get a quorum, can't reconvene, and the republicans therefore can't pass the governor's bill to break up the states' unions. according to our next guest, the democrats are prepared to stay away from the state for weeks, for as long as it takes. joining us again tonight from not wisconsin is state senator jon erpenbach. thank you for coming back on the show. nice to see you. >> nice to see you, too. >> any change in this standoff today? are you seeing any progress? >> not at all, not really. in fact, the governor has kind
of upped the rhetoric with harsh words towards us, and the labor movement in wisconsin, which is kind of disappointing. you know, he's the governor. his job is to bring us together when there's disagreement and move us forward. like i told you last night, the state is ripped apart now, divided over this issue. really concerned about the outcome of this. you know, as you said, rachel, 40,000 people showed up in madison today, more showing up tomorrow. and we really need to come to consensus and move on. >> why do you think the protests are getting bigger rather than smaller at this point? >> because it is not just union people showing up any more, it is their friends, their neighbors, their family members, people that are going to be directly or indirectly affected by anti-union legislation that the governor is trying to push. people are very, very concerned, not only in madison as we discussed last night, but all over the state of wisconsin, people are protesting. >> this afternoon i know the head of the largest state employees union in wisconsin said his union would be willing to pay more for health insurance
benefits, would be willing to contribute more to their pensions, be able to make actual financial concessions if governor walker would essentially stop trying to break up the unions. if he would stop trying to take away collective bargaining rights. the governor rejected those terms. does that mean there's no room to negotiate at all? >> well, it means this isn't about the money for the governor, this is all about busting the union. that's all it has ever been for governor walker. the employees say the money isn't the issue. the money isn't the issue. the governor will get his money, will be able to balance the budget, the budget deficit, but at the same time this -- the union movement, and a lot of us in wisconsin don't want labor to have to give up the right to collectively bargain. the governor is dead set against that. just the fact that governor walker said i don't care about the money, i am not giving this up, what he is not giving up is his ability to bust every single public union in wisconsin and that's just wrong. >> one of the things people
across the country who are paying attention to the story are learning is about the history that wisconsin has of being a pioneer in labor rights. so many things we think of as a given in terms of things that workers deserve, things like weekends, eight hour day, 40-hour week, we have wisconsin to thank. the rest of us are looking at wisconsin from somewhere else understand what the political impact would be, help us understand what the political impact would be. how important to the state's self conception and politics? >> some people that agree and i tend to agree, if you can bust the public unions in wisconsin, you can do it anywhere. we talked last night about some sort of play book the republican governors had when they got together. scott walker pulled out a tough play on the state of wisconsin, ripping the state apart, and trying to bust the public unions. obviously ohio, california, new jersey are all keeping an eye on
what we are doing, all legislators are and governors are. again, i want to make it clear. the governor obviously doesn't care about the money he's trying to capture, he only cares about busting the unions. these are people that clear our streets. these are people that police our streets, teach our kids, guard prisoners and so forth. these are our friends, neighbors, in some cases family members. these are people that buy houses that those in the private sector build. and the governor for whatever reason sees unions as a threat. if anything, he should see them as an ally because all the public workers in the state of wisconsin actually make him look good. >> because of those stakes, because of the stakes you just described, people around the country worrying if the unions get broken in wisconsin by this brute political force, they can get broken across the country. because people are worried about that, people are very focused on how unified you 14 state democratic senators are. we talked about it last night. if one of you peels off and goes back, they get a quorum and this
bill passes. how much contact do you have with each other. do you still have a sense of u and independent and resolve that's unanimous? >> we do. we talked quite a bit through the day, we do feel strong, and do still feel we are right in what we are doing. we are standing up for people that haven't been heard yet. that's our job. our job is to stand up for people who believe what the governor is doing is a wrong thing and that's a great majority of the people of wisconsin. so we feel strong about what we are doing. >> jon erpenbach, joining us from not wisconsin. once again, senator erpenbach, thank you for your time tonight. hang in there. >> thanks, rachel. >> thank you. >> it may appear the political standoff in wisconsin pits anti-union conservative governor against the rights of the states' employees. turns out that is all an illusion. actually, what's happening is it's the end of the world, and it has to do with egypt and
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but hey, just saying, the anti-christ is a say tan cli empowered man holly merge as a powerful world leader. he will first emerge as a man of peace with a populous message and large and popular following before he is revealed as the anti-christ. ahh, one whose may rooim with shmarak shmobama. the author of that is now being booked by fox news as an expert to explain to viewers what has happened in wisconsin and how it connects to egypt, because the muslim brotherhood is organizing the madison protest to turn wisconsin into part of a caliphate so labor unions will destroy israel, so you should store food and buy gold or something. honestly, after a full week of broadcasts on an hour hosted by glenn beck, after full week of coverage on the egypt protests
where he explained to fox news that protests in egypt meant china was going to take over new zealand and we should all start storing food because of a conspiracy to turn america into an islamic state, after fox news explained to its viewers for a solid week that's how they should understand what's happening in egypt, now, especially if you don't watch fox news, so you are inoculated to what you will hear the next time a fox news viewer tells you what's going on in wisconsin, it is important to know what fox is telling the viewers about what's going on with the protests in wisconsin. what they are telling the viewers involves the anti-christ. >> this is really to see how the people like ahmadinejad and the leader of the muslim brotherhood view the end of times or the way the world is -- where it's headed. kind of spooky. the story that everybody should be focused on today is not the
kardashians or anything else. the one that should be on their mind is happening in wisconsin today. the unions claim the cuts will affect teachers, but it is not the everyday teacher this story is really all about. it is about the people looking to create chaos on the backs of the worker, when the world's focus is on egypt. the financial pressure that's coming will mean that demonstrations, protests, god forbid riots, maybe worse, are coming. motivation. that is vital to understand when you're dealing with people who thrive on chaos or want a new world order. how do you know when you're entering the last days? well, quite honestly, it's almost like how do you know when jesus is coming back? it's seven years of nightmare and it's just growing problems. it's chaos, it's war. i want to introduce you to joel
richardson, the author of "the islamic anti-christ." america, it will blow your mind. tonight is not an episode you watch and take out of context. tonight you must consider the unthinkable. this is the jesus side. this is what's in the book of revelation of the anti-christ. this is a general story, in case you don't know anything about christianity. end of the world, jesus comes back. i did this story about five years ago, about wet my pants when i finished the research on it. we will take a break, come back, get to the mark of the beast next. back with joel richardson, going through the end of times. who is the beast, the anti-christ? >> that, i have to in terms of pure -- i mean, wait until you get to the mark of the beast next. i mean, anyway, anti-christ.
they called in an anti-christ expert to explain protests in wisconsin over union rights. just to be clear, what are this young man's qualifications, the anti-christ expert to be fox news' consultive expert on this subject? >> just before my wife and i met, there was a prophet that prayed over my life. she said you will marry someone that has significant in sight. he will release his new understanding. >> he will release his understanding about the end times. he is a prophet, a self proclaimed end times prophet who fox news is calling onto explain the wisconsin protests to america's conservatives. i say this not just to point and scream, but because what happens
on fox influences how americans think. even when it is so unbelievably out there you can't believe it, anybody would believe it. remember the whole what obama and the anti-christ have in common guy? crazy, yes, that's crazy. but you can't understand right wing politics in america without understanding that the obama and the anti-christ guy is being booked this week as an expert on fox news. and without understanding even when the craziest reaches of right wing media talk about this stuff, conservatives listen to it. in 2009 a polling firm asks self identified conservatives in new jersey do you think barack obama is the anti-christ. 35% of conservatives in new jersey said either yes or they were not sure, and they were willing to consider the possibility. 35%. and that was before fox news opened their eyes as to how the anti-christ was the key link between hosni mubarak and collective bargaining rights for dentists in wisconsin. i am not just pointing this out because it is amazing, that what you used to be only able to hear
on predawn radio shows about ufo visitations, you can get at 5 p.m. on television. i am pointing it out because someone will come to you and tell you that the anti-christ is why hosni mubarak was a good guy and the anti-christ is why firefighters in your town should not have blue cross/blue shield. it is going to happen and you should know why when it does.
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scene, pearl square, now circled by the bahraini military. when the protesters arrive, they opened fire. they shot into and above the crowd. there were reports of snipers opening fire from nearby buildings. the times of london reporting from the scene it was essentially an ambush by the military against the unarmed protesters. quote, it was a trap. security forces waiting until they turned on to the boulevard towards the square. there was a huge volume of gunfire. >> they shoot us. bullets, not tear gas, no way. bullets, live. >> we had volley after volley of shots. at first, we thought the army was firing over the protesters' heads. but it is now clear they were shooting into people.
>> a gunshot here, one in the chest. one here. >> this was live bullets as far as you know. >> the government of bahrain is continuing to crackdown violently clearing dozens of protesters from outside the city's main hospital. even though the crown prince of bahrain said it was time for talking, not violence. and 50 people died over the past two days of demonstrations. thousands continue to protest in the country's second city. others were caught on camera, destroying a statue of ka dove ee's green book that sums up his political philosophy. ga daf ee had a prome rally.
he kept a news blackout in place, shut down internet and electricity in protest areas. in yemen on the eighth day of protests there, at least four people were killed as the government continued its crackdown on protesters. there were pro-government rallies, some admitted to britain's guardian newspaper they were paid to show up. in jordan, the seventh week in a row, 2000 protesters took to the streets of aman. they were attacked. eight people were reportedly injured. in syria. hundreds spontaneously started to protest in da mass cuss. opposition groups say syrian interior minister showed up to talk to them. in iraq, more protests across the country, from basra in the south where iraqis demanded better jobs and resignation of regional governor to curdish
region in the north where two were killed and others hurt today. further south in kuwait, the arab group that doesn't have citizenship in kuwait took to the streets demanding more rights. police used smoke bombs and water canons to clear the crowd, and arrested dozens of protesters. they were even protests in a small nation where 6,000 rallied to demand the president there step down. security forces used batons and tear gas on them. opposition groups there now deciding whether to rally again tomorrow. protests are planned this weekend also in bahrain, more objecting oh, and algeria. as richard engel told us from bahrain last night, remember, nothing like this has ever happened in the middle east before. nobody knows where this ends, and it is not ending any time soon. on the 2011 dodge journey controls the radio, media player, heated seats,
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with an i where the e is, which would make it another word. >> paralepsis. special lady to lives in the computer that proannounces things at dictionary.com. that's a term from rhetoric that means you make a point about something by explicitly saying you are not going to talk about that thing. so i don't want to talk about david vitter and all the hookers, i want to talk about whether he is a good family values candidate. >> paralepsis. >> thank you, nice lady. this is also paralepsis. >> the only people cheering for government shutdown around here are democrats led by harry reid and chuck schumer. there's no business of shutting the government down on our side. our goal is to reduce spending,
it isn't to shut down the government. >> no talk about no budget no government shut down. who is talking about government shutdown. we are not talking about a government shutdown. yes, you are talking about it all the time, while always saying how much you are not talking about government shutdown. >> nobody is talking about a government shutdown. >> we are not talking about shutting down the government. >> i don't think any of the republicans want a government shutdown. >> not only have republicans been talking day and night about the government shutting down, not only have they been salivating over that prospect for months, but they now seem to have devised a process to achieve this. keep insisting on budget amendments like defunding planned parent hood and other things you know democrats will reject. they will take as long as possible until current funding runs out, that starts happening march 4, and refuse to budge on
things you say you want that you know you will never get. then bingo, you have a government shutdown, not that you want to talk about that. joining us now, eugene robinson, columnist for the "the washington post." thanks for being here. >> great to be here. >> what is the likelihood likel actual government shutdown not that anybody is talking about it? >> if you asked me a week ago i would have said unlike lee i'm starting to think it could happen actually. the house keeps passing these frankly extreme amendments and that aren't going to get through the senate and as you said it's going to draw out-and-out and march 4th comes faster than anybody thinks. i think faster than a lot of people would like so it could happen. >> what is the political appeal of this for republicans? this is something that they talked about in the campaign season long before it was ever clear that this continuing resolution was going to go like
this, long before it was clear that they were even going to have any specific fights to shut down the government over. i'm not exactly sure. you know that disclaimer on investment ads. past results do not guarantee future performance so we can't say that the result would be exactly like the 1995 but we know what happened in 1995 and in fact it was awful for the republicans. shut down the government and it was very good for the white house and the clinton administration so i'm not sure that it is such a great idea for the republicans to take it to that point and indeed i am not sure the republican leadership is convinced they want to go that far. however, there are a lot of republican rank and file who are just going to say, charge, and just head right for that press miss and see what happens. >> because of that history it seems like all of the benefit to a government shutdown would ring
down to the democrats but is it possible as republicans seem to be steaming toward this, even guys as senior as eric canter, as of last november were saying i don't want to rule out this government shutdown is it possible they have figured out some way to turn this in terms of political advantage on its head that there is some other way to approach this that means they come out on top? >> i'm sure they're trying to come up with a way to spin this. look, you know, the political pressures here are interesting. the democrats have a whole lot more maneuvering room because after all they can give in to some budget cuts here, budget cuts there and the democratic base is going to grumble and be annoyed but not really going to freak out. however, the republicans are under a lot of pressure to be inflectionible from their base and so they actually, even though they're in charge in a way they have less room to maneuver and so they be on the set of train tracks without a
way to veer the train at the last minute. >> when we look right now at the house right currently, the house is in session and planning on working through the night, they have not -- they have been open past midnight three days already this week working on these amendments to the spending bill. none of them are going to become law. i mean, is there anything -- is it poetry? is this interpretive dance? is there any lawmakering reason to do this? >> well, some of these are items that republican members promised their constituents. they're voting to do this and that. i frankly believe at this point john boehner may rue the day he ever said we'll have a much more open process and allow all these amendments and i'm not sure how much of this open democracy he is going to be able to stand for his caucus. they're just going to drop. >> he will never rue it more than he rued saying "read my lips" this week.
>> read my lips is never a good thing to say. that we know. >> eugene robinson msnbc political analyst, pulitzer prize winning columnist for "the washington post", thank you. normally on friday about this time our network's live news coverage is winding down for the night but not tonight. the center of american politics tonight is madison, wisconsin. that's where ed schultz is as we speak right in the middle of it. his coverage continues with a live hour as soon as ur show is done. [ male announcer ] if you have type 2 diabetes, you struggle to control your blood sugar. you exercise and eat right, but your blood sugar may still be high, and you need extra help. ask your doctor about onglyza, a once daily medicine used with diet and exercise to control high blood sugar
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this was what monday looked like in madison, wisconsin. this was tuesday in madison, wisconsin. this was wednesday in madison, wisconsin. this was yesterday in madison, wisconsin. and this was today in madison, wisconsin. in the state capitol building. this is getting bigger not smaller. madison police say 40,000 people at the state capitol today. the ongoing protests in wisconsin against the governor's effort to strip union rights from public workers is a story that is growing and that is not going away. usually at 10:00 p.m. eastern on a friday night here on msnbc after me there is stuff about prisons. hey, no judgment. but tonight after me 10:00 eastern there will instead be a live edition of the ed show direct from the heart of these protests in wisconsin. the so-called wisconsin 14, the 14 democratic state senators including our guest earlier tonight who have fled the state to deny the republicans a quorum
there by preventing them from passing the union stripping bill those senators are out of the state and out of the reach of state law enforcement which could compel them to return to the capitol if they were in the state. union leaders, and employees say as they have been all along they are twoilg negotiate about all sorts of financial concessions but they are not willing to give up being a union to give up the right to be organized as employees regarding the conditions in which they work. in conservative media they're being described as rioters and thugs which is hard to square with kids holding signs saying things like hands off our teachers. one of the conservative groups that organized the really raucous town hall meetings against health care is calling for conservative counterprotesters to come to madison tomorrow. you know who else is going to be showing up according to his latest tweet? the man who i