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protesters. gadhafi's son went on state tv just this morning to say his father is vowing to fight to the last bullet. also, two libyan air force jets have landed in malta, officials say the pilots are asking for political asylum. a source indicating their libyan colonels ordered to fire on protesters and refused. more than 200 reported dead, but u.s. officials now say that number is certainly low. the state department has called officials in libya to condemn the use of lethal force. also ordering all u.s. embassy members to leave the country. ron allen joins me from cairo. we're hearing that libbia's u.n. ambassador is calling for gadhafi to step down. what updates are you hearing, regarding his whereabouts and the latest violence? >> reporter: well, we have no idea where he is, except for what his son said last night in the national television
broadcast saying that his father and the family was staying in tripoli and leave the fight against the uprising and fight until the last bullet, last man and women, and the last drop of blood. the protesters continued. it's a very defy an and very strong speech. we have not heard from the leader himself. but the images that are emerging from tripoli, the capital, else and where, show a society in complete deterioration. there are report office fires burning in the capital. reports of thousand of people gathering in the streets. there are reports from people who have been fleeing, evacuating the capital saying there are 1,000 people or more trying to get out at the airport. just utter chaos what we're trying -- what we're hearing. it's difficult to know exactly what's going on because phone lines are down now. the internet has been down for several days. it's all happening in something of a black hole. and it's just sketchy pieces of information that we're trying to
piece together from witnesses who are able to get a phone call out or able to get some image out or the inter-nenet through social media. every indication that gadhafi is losing control of his society. there have been defections by key government ministers. you mentioned two air force pilots who flew planes to malta and said they did not want to fire on their own citizens. reports of planes, helicopters fire on protesters. there's every indication that the death toll well above 200, the last time we heard from a human rights organization that tried to pin down a number, every indication the death toll is going to go much higher if it hasn't already. the protesters, so many we have spoken to over last couple of days there, and here in cairo, where there have been protesters joining in, saying it's now or never a fight to the finish, their one and only chance to get rid of gadhafi. >> joining me to talk about the events in libya, michael singh.
michael, thank you for joining us yet again. here we are, i'm sure you heard ron allen saying the people in libbia, protesters, believe this may be their one and only chance to fight to get gadhafi out of power. what do you believe or what is your thought on what we're seei seeing, especially violence? >> it's absolutely terrible. any time you have helicopters and warplanes firing on protesters, it's a terrible, terrible situation. we can see that it's a much messier situation than we had in egypt, for example. in egypt, remember that the army sort of held together and acted as a neutral institution throughout the chaos. now we have not only the regime using vae ery extreme measures against protesters but in libbia, people's primary loyalty is to their tribe or clan, not to the state. and the army itself is also ridden with tribal -- this sort of tribal splintering, as it were. you see different ambassadors,
members of the military going off in their own direction. the risk here is what we could see soon is simple chaos. >> we also heard this morning, as i mentioned, gadhafi's son, who by all accounts, wanted to follow in this father's if the steps there say that this would be a civil war and the government has pledged to fight, i think the words are frightening to the last bullet. that's what he told the country on state television. do you believe it will come to that? >> well, we certainly hope not. it's a very disappoint speech. a rambling speech from a man who was thought of previously and what we thought of anymore as a reform ant essentially in his nature and it really suggests the regime is trying to did in, though we don't know where colonel gadhafi is, trying to dig in and won't let go of power readily. the other side of that, though, this regime's power doesn't extend very deep. as i said, it's a tribal
society. there's a power vacuum under the authority and it's not clear whether they'll be able to, say, force the tribes and the army to follow their orders much among. >> michael singh, thank you for joining us. regarding the violence in libbia, causing oil prices to increase. libya belongs to opec, and is one of the big of the oil provider to europe. crowd oil jumped more than $3 to hit $90 a barrel, causing great concern in the uk. and the big question right now in washington, who will blink first? the nation is facing the possibility of the first government shutdown in 15 years and a showdown over $61 billion in budget cuts, approved by the republican-controlled house, over the weekend. athena jones joins us live from the white house. current funding for the government runs out march 4th. with the senate out this week, is there time to resolve this crisis? what time line are we looking at
here? >> reporter: they're going to have to work fast. and yet even though both houses are out this week, we know the white house's point of view is neither party, the leaders, want to see a shutdown as we saw in the '90s under the clinton administration. they're confident two sides can come together and figure out a compromise. they talk about the december tax deal in which two parties defied all expectations and despite tough talk they came together, they were able to agree on something. the president wants to see a congress make sensible cuts, the cuts that won't put the economic recovery at risk. he said in his press conference last week the recovery is still fragile and this is something that his treasury secretary echoed in paris. he said the continuing resolution the republicans passed would hamper the ability to add jobs and grow. no one wants to see that. if there which shutdown, it
would be destabilizing, a real thing not an abstraction, the president said, last week. they're hopeful the two sides though it's a small window, can come together on something. over the weekend, my colleague on capitol hill reported that boehner was saying the next several weeks will be fascinating. we can all agree there will be a lot to look at and watch out for. >> a short window and a fascinating one. an interesting point. we'll see what happens. but time certainly not on their side when you look at that calendar. thank you, athena. later today, another big story, wisconsin's republican governor, scott walker, expected to hold a news conference as the budget battle rages on in its seventh day. thousands of public workers and supporters protesting at the state house in madison against a bill that would eliminate collective bargaining rights for most public employees. this morning on "the daily rundown" the governor made it clear he won't back down against
unions. >> we're going to turn the state around, balance the budget and the workers at state and local level six months from now will say, yeah, have to pay more for pension, more for health care but it's a lot less than what the average citizen's paying i'm not forced to be in a union, i'm going to have that choice. to me, that's the american way. >> nbc's scott newell is in wisconsin. we're waiting on the governor to speak here shortly, a couple of hours from now. any idea what he has to say? >> reporter: we do have an idea of what he plans to say but we're going to wait until he says it. we under stand it's a new strategy of dealing with this thing, perhaps separating part of the bill out so the people who are here, the republicans, who can pass many bills -- they can't pass spending bills without a core rum and that's why the democratic senators have stayed away, they cannot vote on anything that has anything to do with spending. if they were to take the measures out of the spending bill, they might be able to vote on them right now.
right now what's going on across -- actually on the other side of the capitol building, there's a huge rally. you know, the weather here is terrible. it's really cole. there are a lot of folks out there now. a lot have been bussed in from around the state and the reason that is today is a furlough day for state workers. a lot have come here to make their voices heard. also, i should mention, there are a lot of teachers from madison around the state here today as well. they are taking another day off today but they have said they will go back to work tomorrow. there was going to be a hearing this morning for a temporary injunction against the union but that's been ended after the teachers said they would go back to work tomorrow. >> scott, you have the story line that i think is getting a lot of buzz on the internet is the national impact, obviously, and that unions are worried if they appear to lose in wisconsin that this blow will be felt as a shockwave, as we like to say,
will be felt in other cities with strong union memberships. what feeling do you get from the people in the crowd there seven days into this? are they worried they might be losing this here? >> well, i think what they believe that is, indeed, this could be -- i know what somebody was referring to as a. the beginning, the nationwide movement here and whatever happens here could have a domino effect around the country. there are a lot of states considering similar bills to this. ohio's one state that is doing so. so whatever happens here may be a template for whatever happens in other states. local union organizers are saying they are expecting solidarity rallies in 38 states some time later this week. so we'll have to see how that plays out. >> thank you very much, scott. coming up -- bill clinton one of the most influential american presidents. chris matthews will join me live to talk about his special behind the scenes documentary a look at clinton's life called "president of the world." an alaska lawmaker chooses
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breaking news in the "news nation" right now. a north carolina grand jury has inindicted the stepmother of a 10-year-old disabled girl who vanished in october. alece 15 baker's charged with second-degree murder in the death of zahara baker. court documents show baker led police to various locations where zahara's remains were dumped. she claims her husband, adam, dismembers the child's body.
adam baker denies that accusation. a dangerous winter storm creating nightmare conditions for people in the midwest. snow and freezing rain have made for treacherous travel on roads and forced cancellation of hundred of flights in and out of airports around the country. winter weather caused problems in new york city. several inches of snow fell in central park before turning into slush on the ground. mike seidel live in minneapolis, minnesota, where, mike, i understand you're under a winter weather advisory there, right? >> reporter: we are until 6:00. you can see the snow is back. it's not snowing as hard as last night but redusting the roadway. what they've done today is dug out nicely. a series, convoy of bobcats, tamron, street sweepers. they have been taking the snow out of here about a big storm and it's adding up. last check over a foot of snow, 12.3. biggest february snowstorm on record in the twin cities. not only northeast gets hammered
but the midwest. right now, as we stand it's the third snowiest season on record in minneapolis st. paul. we only need four more inches and that's it. you know it snows into march. it can snow in april here. it has snowed in may in the twin cities. no doubt we will break that record some time in the next few weeks. go right ahead, sir. go right ahead. the snow will end later today and another shot of arctic air comes in friday and saturday. tamron, as my father used to say eloquently, mike, you make a better door than a window. back to you. >> got to love dad for the honesty and great weather reporting and the traffic control. on presidents' day an exclusive look at bill clinton's life after leaving office. chris matthews spent a week with the former president. tonight, chris hosts a special documentary called "president of the world" the bill clinton phenomenon.
here's preview. >> reporter: bill clinton renowned for the breadth and depth of his knowledge. just name the subject. >> while president, the last term, we went up to the u.s. open in new york, the tennis tournament. john mcenroe came over, sat with the president for a bit of time. all of a sudden i see the president over there using his hands talking to john mcenroe about how he should grip the tennis racket. so, mcenroe and his daughters leave. i say, mr. president, why were you giving john mcenroe tips on how to hold -- you don't play tennis. here you are telling one of the greatest stars of all time of tennis how to hold the racket. without missing a beat, mac, i thought i could help him. >> reporter: intellectual curiosity has blossomed. >> i'll still learning things. i hope i can finally understanden physics before i leave the earth. i have more time now.
i still spend an hour a day thinking about the economy. i think that your supposed to keep learning until you don't have any more time left. >> chris matthews joins me now. chris, i'm -- you make me laugh -- terry mcauliffe's story about the president talking to john mcenroe about his ert sport what does that tell us about bill clinton? he thinks that he knows a lot. giving john mcenroe about grip on the tennis racket. >> incredible. >> he does study. i was on the plane with him. he has this satchel he carries around with his books in it. he starts pulling out all of the books showing me what he's reading. a lot of guys do, you probably finish the book you start. a lot of guys have three or four books. he has yates, quoting to me. >> he has range. -- >> he's a learner. >> he's a learner. >> he taught himself how to learn, which everybody has to learn how to learn. >> there are many things i that
people would say about bill clinton, some good, obviously, some bad. why do you believe he has this rock star status even now? i hate when people say rock star, it seems cliche, but the president did and does. >> walks into a room, the room come as live. i've seen this since he was running for president. it's magic. it's wide awake. it's gung ho, it's never he go to sleep goes until midnight. >> he is fascinating, you can't figure him out. >> to you, you get in the head of someone. >> well, yeah, i keep thinking, what's going on in that head because he's a multithinker. he has bad habits, when president he would talk to people while read, which drive me crazy. you go in see somebody and they are reading something. some people like to work on their blackberry while talking to you now. that's what gets you into trouble. you just can't slow down. right now i think he's doing a lot of good work around the
world. the reason i gave it the title "president of the world" when he walks into ireland, he's bigger than the prime minister. if he walks into england, he's bigger than the prime minister. he's bigger than the prime minister than most any african country he goes into, probably asia. once he leaves the united states, he's bigger than anybody in the world where he goes. nobody's ever been like that, nobody. >> combined with the technology. >> without a portfolio, he just is because his charisma, his record in the '90s, his personal relationship with people like nelson mandela and tony blair. they're all alive, these relationships, and he uses them. >> what people who say we know everything about bill clinton or think we do? >> i don't. i know i don't know everything about him. i focused on the part that's doing good. i have no idea about his private life. >> i believe we know so much about him publicly, what drives him what makes him to your point a phenomenon? >> i don't know what his
religion is, what his beliefs are. i know when he does, what he does is an amazing amount of good. his motives are positive. it's to get people to do good and to be part of that. i think he likes being in the loop. he likes meeting with celebrities who doesn't? he likes being with the world leaders. who doesn't? he likes getting people engaged and being the boss. he puts this together, the clinton golobal initiative. he goes into a country -- my son works for one of his organizations in five years ago in rwanda. he was in charge of making sure the aids drugs didn't get into the hand of the black marketers. his job was to make sure drugs got to the recipients, people who needed the cocktails if you will, and clinton made that happen member made sure the donors knew the country wasn't going to steal from him, they weren't going to have black market, corruption. therefore the contributors willing to make the contribution.
>> can't wait to see the special. >> it's fun. it's an hour of popcorn. if you're a progressive or liberal, you'll love it. if you're a republican, you'll be amazed how much you like this guy and what's he's doing. >> "president of the world." ho meowners , rates have been going up, but you can still refinance to a fixed rate as low as 4.5% at lendingtree.com, where customers save an average of $293 a month. call lendingtree today.
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prosecutors, sick over this is a scene that lifetime now has reportedly, at last minute, deleted. but graphic murder scene showing amanda stabbing her screaming roommate which she insists never happened. >> reporter: look, strikingly alike. hayden pan na terrace amanda knox. the real amanda, though, lately, has been feeling and showing the strain of three years in a cold italian prison in the medieval towns. >> foxy knoxy swept into court -- >> reporter: but a lifetime movie pur pourting to show what happens that night in amman's apartment and highlight what questions remain. >> we want the aud dwroens formulate their own opinion and in many cases i'm sure they'll walk away going, so they'll know. >> reporter: is just too much. the sex scenes, graphic violence -- >> last visitation, i sat down
with her and she mentioned that she had seen a little bit of it, and she was absolutely horrified by the clips. >> reporter: too much for her family and prosecutors and her then-boyfriend convicted along with amanda, and another man. even the family victim meredith kercher calls the film absolutely horrific. originally, lifetime had a clip on the website, since removed, that showed a scene with amanda viciously attacking her british roommate meredith with a knife while the two young men convicted are seen holding her down, that some of what prosecutors have said happened but the defense vehemently denies. they say amanda and boyfriend weren't even there, and dna that prosecutors claim shows they were, is fiercely distributed, now being re-examined. while amman's appeal slowly moves along, her attorneys have threatened to take lifetime to court to block the production from airing at all.
now, according to britain's sunday telegraph newspaper, the network removed the murder scene. people have left comments arguing the points of the case and the movie. >> what happened with the police? >> reporter: a film that adds controversy to the lingering mystery of what did happen, and the real people still living it. lifetime hasn't mad any comment about the movie or this scene in particular. so it really remains to be seen tonight, once it finally airs, how that portion is handled. what exactly happened that night. back to you. >> michelle, thank you. still ahead -- nightmare at sea. four americans held hostage by somali pirates. we've gotten word the fbi is working to get them released. plus -- who is the greatest american president ever? a new poll reveals which commander in chief americans ♪ [ male announcer ] when the food we eat has nutritional gaps...
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welcome back to "news nation." former white house chief of staff rahm emanuel faces off in the chicago mayoral election tomorrow. will he get enough votes to avoid a run-off? that's the big question. twitter battle of the mayors. minneapolis mayor looks to one-up newark's mayor when it comes to cleaning up snow. being called, quote, the blackest name in america. more african-americans have this presidential last name than any other. it is not lincoln. we'll tell you what name it is. plus -- today's "news nation" gut economic. a nonprofit program is launched to help rich kids learn how to spend their money. wow. right now, fbi hostage negotiators are trying to talk to a band of some mallian pirates, trying to talk to them releasing four americans held captive off the coast of africa. the u.s. navy has been tracking
for days. if the boat reaches land could this put the prisoners in greater danger? george lewis live in los angeles with more on the situation. and, george, too, the couples, two from of oregon, two from california, i understand a vigil at one of the churches that these people attended? >> reporter: yeah. scott and jean adam from southern california, they attended st. monica's church and there was a mass praying for their safety with the safe of the other couple from seattle. the seattle couple joined the adams in mumbai, india. they were off the coast of amman intercepted by pirates headed toward somalia. three u.s. navy ships are shadowing the boat, and as you said the hostage negotiation teams trying to talk the pirates into releasing four americans pipe did have a chance to talk
to scott stolnitz, a sailor, i asked him if they are the kind of people who would take chances. >> they are athoughtful people. jean's a tough gal. boy, my heart goes out to them. i wouldn't want to change places with them. >> reporter: now, they were part of a boat rally, a group of about 100 boats, heading through that area, but on february 15th they decided to break away from the rally. i talked to rally organizers who said they don't know exactly why scott decided to go it on his own, but that he may have felt that he wanted to get across that area faster than the other boats in the rally were going, going faster hoping to avoid pirates and obviously he ran into trouble. we await to see what happens next. the experts are telling us that, if the four americans are taken to somalia, they could be in for
a long period of captivity. a british couple was held there for 388 days. >> thank you for the update on the americans being held. voters in chicago go to the polls to choose a new mayor. four major candidates, including former white house chief of staff rahm emanuel who has a huge lead, according to polling in the area. joining me now, nick bogart. the big question will rahm emanuel get enough votes to avoid a run-off? what are indications that he will? >> well, it's going to be very tight but that is more than who's going to finish first or second. really is the major question. i mean, rahm emanuel is saying now, it may take one bite or two bites of the apple, i'm okay with that, but there's a high expectation, a lot of the polls have had him over 50 percent, taking a majority of african-american of white votes and a plurality of hispanic votes. endorsement of mayor dally's. he's well situated to get in
without a run-off which would take place in april. gary chico might get into a run-off, if anybody does, a former almost everything at city hall, mayor daly's chief of staff. he's put together 16 municipal budgets he's making a strong case and some commentators are saying you should not vote for rahm emanuel we should have a run-off to discuss the issues more. >> carol moseley braun, the former senator. by all accounts, her campaign imploded. >> yeah. i would have to say that's pretty accurate. she was the unity condition of african-american ministers, a couple of other african-american candidates dropped out and endorsed her. since then she's had a series of missteps. early on when asked if show wul release her tax returns she said no. the reporter asked why, she said, i don't want to.
that didn't sit well. when returns came out it showed personal finances were not in good shape. there have been other problems that she's misstepped the other day where she told a joke about rahm emanuel and the punch line had to do with the movie producers and said, hitler's likable, and people thought that joke fell flat as well. accused another candidate of having been high on crack which she had to apologize later for. she's had a lot of problems staying on message and some loose cannon statements that hurt her. >> thank you for the update. we'll see how this plays out. tennessee mom suspended from her job for using her cell phone at work. listen to the details. theresa knew there was a no-cell phone policy but answers her phone because it was her son who is a marine serving in afghanistan who was reaching out to his mom on the cell. he only has access to a satellite phone, once a month. and joining me now, nationally
syndicated host, michael smerconish. her boss has apologized, she getting paid for the work lost. that is enough? what lesson there to learn? >> the lepsssson is if you're o the job and you have a son or daughter in harm's way you ought to talk to them. tamron, maybe it speaks to a bigger issue because coance dentally, today in politico, pls a lengthy for story, admiral mike mullen talking about this growing divide between civilians and those who are in harm's way. and i company thinking about the tennessee story as maybe being indicative that, after ten years of war, ten years since september 11, you know, there's a huge divide. we're disassociated from those who and serving the nation. >> my dad, as you know, is in the army, a master sergeant, and there are military families who believe there's a cavalier attitude toward the young men
and women who are serving this country and really the sacrifice. we say it simply when they give up so much. i've got a statement from the employer who says, we have several retired military personnel that currently work for us and their service along with miss danford's son service to the great country is appreciated within, within the crane indoentirinteriors family. i've got wonder, if this didn't make headlines if they would have issues the apology. i don't want to second guess anyone. you know, it does make you wonder. >> they came to the right conclusion, i think that's what we're both saying in this case. but it's of concern that maybe it speaks to something that's simmering out there about how we all pay lip service, we say we want to honor troops, thank the troops. we have the flyovers at the super bowl, they had medal of honor recipient sal guinta, but there's no sacrifice asked of the two of us by way of example. maybe your case more because you have a military dad.
but we read about it, and then we go on with our lives. >> great point. thank you very much. good to see you. >> happy presidents' day. signed, sealed, delivered. the royal wedding invites are officially in the mail. who is? who is out? which celebrities made the cut for the guest list this year. interesting name that's popped up on the list. a lot going on today. here are some things we thought you should know. an alaska state lawmaker returning home from seattle by ferry after refusing a pat-down search. the representative underwent a body scan and required to undergo a pat-down. the chief of staff described the search as intrusive. the tsa called for the pat-down because it showed she had a mastectomy. the tsa would not comment on the situation. george washington was born 279 years ago but his name is more prevalent than ever. in fact, the name washington is being called the blackest name
in america. in 2000, the u.s. census counted more than 163,000 people with the sir name washington. 90% of them were african-american. a higher percentage than any other common name. and as the midwest gets poundeby major snowstorm, minneapolis mayor is in a twitter battle with mayor cory booker of newark, new jersey. mayor booker helped new york residents dig out of the blizzard that devastated the northeast earlier this winner. today mayor rybak, sick of at corey booker showing me up during snowstorms. those are things we thought you should know. ♪ [ folk pop ]
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americans feel right now about president obama's goal of winning future when it's hard to even find a job in the economy? a closer look at who's feeling the pain. the pirates are holding americans hostage. will the u.s. military step? a live update from the pentagon. all of this and more. stay right here. i'm going to see you at the top of the hour. just in time for presidents' day, a new gallup poll out showing who americans think is the greatest leader of our country. number five, first president, george washington. john f. kennedy is fourth. bill clinton, third. abraham lincoln took second spot. topping the list, according to the polling, ronald reagan, presidential historian and author doris concernss kearns goodwin is live. reagan at number one? >> i think there's a gap between the popular polls and histori historians' polls because the presidents that come in on top
of the popular polls are in recent history, because people know who they are, things have been in the news about them, lately the 100th birthday of reagan and a lot of people talking about his presidency. i think catapulted him to the top. if i were to predict what's going to happen in historians' polls generations from now, washington, lincoln, fdr, i bet, will there for many years to come, and these other people may float in and out. >> you have an interesting obama about how we celebrate presidents' day. we may be losing something in the way we handle looking back at history. >> yeah. once upon a time, we celebrated washington's birthday on february 22nd, which meant that we looked to his leadership for inspiration. a lot of states celebrated lincoln's birthday february 12th. but once they merged them together, so we could have a three-day weekend, people want a vacation and it's a good thing to have a three-day weekend but it becomes presidents' days and we're selling cars and talking
about presidents' days sales. you looked at washington, people talked about what was so great about him. you remember the man could have been a king, he had all of the trappings of monarchy people wanted to put on him, even calling him his excellency, they wanted him to come in on a golden suit but wanted to be called the president and left voluntarily at the end of two terms. had he stayed any longer we would have had a different system of government where the guy gets in there and doesn't leave until he dies. king george iii was said to say he must have been the greatest man of the world to turn down the trappings of tingesh kingsh. >> that is a great point. you have, of course, an incredible range insight on the presidents. you can learn lessons from any human being but we looked to the presidents. fdr's struggle with polio.
reagan after iran-contra, shifted his attitude toward russia. when we teach students today, especially the youngest, what do you wish we would change change how we represent them to our lives? >> we think about them at peak of the power of but so many had to withstand adversity and come through trials of fire. when you learn what lincoln had to go through, a near suicidal depression where he almost took his life and people had to take scissors and knives from his room, losing twice for the senate, being unable to go back to the house of representatives but persevering, keep going on and on until he wins the presidency. when you think, as you mentioned, polio that attacked fdr when he was 39 years old, and he had been so active before that but somehow the crippling of his body expanded his mind and sensibilities and became
more empathetic to other people who had a tough time in life which made hip the perfect president, in a sense to get us through the depression. all of those things. think about teddy roosevelt who had an extraordinary ability to laugh at himself, which something all of us need to do better, take criticism. a wonderful story one time where he had been written about the san juan war as if he had gone up the hill by himself. he said, come see me, you guy, you cartoonist. i like what you're saying. i need to listen to you. doris, always a pleasure to have you on. we love you so much. thank you so much for your time. >> we're welcome. a veteran music executive blasts the grammys. a rookie daytona 500 speeds into fame and royal invitations are out. who's? who made the cut. courtney hazlett is on assignment. we love have you on as well. >> thank you. love being here.
>> you've got your list here. steve stout, a pretty big person in the music industry. >> he represented naz, the rap artist and takes up a page in "the new york times," a all right saying that the grammys does not care about pop music or hip-h hip-hop. this was not a surprise at the a.p. we wrote about this the day after the grammys because eminem was snubbed. when he didn't win album of the year and arcade of fire thought, what is going on here? i think they do care about pop music. last year taylor swift had a huge year. he's saying because justin bieber didn't win best new artist, he's saying, what happens going on? >> he was upset justin beeber didn't win. >> he was upset, as all of the bieber fans about. the voting body looks at longevity and esperanza will have a long career. >> justin bieber, you will, too, i'm not saying that.
>> twevrevor bayne, 20, making history. >> someone like me a couple of days ago had no idea who this guy was. now, come monday morning he's like one of most searched guys on msnbc.com, 20, from tennessee, second professional nascar sprint race, wins the daytona 500, amazing. >> started out go-kart racing and savannah guthrie quoted he couldn't celebrate with s champagne. >> royal wedding invite. who made the list? >> the pal lace is not saying who but the daily telegraph, the uk newspapers are saying victoria beckham, david beckham, elton john, and some are saying kanye west. >> why would kanye west get an invite? >> he and will did a concert together in '07, will is a -- we don't know for sure. fergie is not coming, there's word put out. and victoria and david beckham's camp are saying no comment.
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heir media management. he told a partner last week, quote, why are we targeting high net worth families? it's not because we're snobs, it's because these are the people that have the resources to make big changes in the world. camp will accept 20 privileged children. what does your gut tell you about this one? should there be a class to teach rich kids about being rich and give to charit charity? that does it for this edition of "news nation." i'm tamron hall. thanks for joining us on monday. thomas roberts will pick up thomas roberts will pick up coverage.ng up? i thought i'd take a drive before work. want to come? [ female announcer ] or make his day. yeah. [ female announcer ] maxwell house gives you a rich, full-flavored cup of coffee, so you can be good to the last drop. i know what works differently than many other allergy medications. omnaris.
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