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legion criticized the report for supposedly saying that all returning vets are coming back from afghanistan and iraq were potential terrorists. >> mark potak, southern poverty law center. good to have you with us. tonight in our survey, i asked, does the anthony weiner episode make it harder for democrats to get their agenda passed? 43% of you said yes. 57% of you said no. that's the "ed show." i'm ed schultz. see you tomorrow on the radio. see you tomorrow night. too much. let's play "hardball." good evening, i'm chris matthews back home in philadelphia. our big story of the day couldn't be bigger, a very explicit photo of congressman
anthony weiner, use your worst imagination, has emerged. it is the photo that conservative blogger andrew breitbart said he had no plans to release, but now three democratic members of the congress, including top recruiter for the 2012 candidates, are calling for the congressman to resign. independent hall, where the declaration of independence was adopted in 1776, that's for you, sarah palin, and on the other side of independence hall is the national constitution center. a great place to learn all about our country's constitution. and that's also where education nation pavilion is based. we're going to get to all of
that later in the show. but first, new calls for congressman weiner to resign. ed rend he ell and chairman of the national committee, had all these jobs, he's now an msnbc political analyst, eugene robinson. gentlemen, i have two heavy weights, two mature men. let's talk about this crazy story. let's go through this list. senator mark prior, allison schwartz of the philadelphia area, michael michaud have all said weiner should resign. mr. mayor, governor, former chairman of the dnc, is there any way that weiner can survive as a public official with this picture out of him? it's of his -- let's talk about it like in clinical terms, his private parts. it's out there. he put it out there. use your worst imagination about what the picture looks like. he put it out on purpose to a total stranger, and perhaps many of them, let's them now he's a u.s. congressman and puts this
out online. is this the behavior of a person who has his head screwed on? >> yesterday on "dylan ratigan," i defended anthony weiner, said i want him to stay, to ride this out because he is one of the only voices who unabashedly speak outs for education, for the poor people in this country, for protecting the most vulnerable citizens, for the america that we would like to see. if he goes, we're losing a very important voice. yesterday, i said he hadn't done anything to hurt anybody but himself and perhaps his terrific wife. but i think this picture puts him over the limit. i think he has no choice now but resign. >> gene robinson, you write a column for "the washington post," you cover the way the federal government works. is there any future for a guy with the current position he is in, this picture now, anybody
interested in going online and looking at it? >> no future today. i don't think there was a future yesterday, actually. i think as soon as this started come outing last week, my first thought is that this is not going to end well for him. this is a compulsion apparently that he has. >> why does he want this -- well, it seems to me it is about a person. nobody understands another person's psychology perfectly, but seem likes a person, not just a risk taker, but is compelled to almost put his career at risk. these people -- without getting into the oddity of it. he is sending out damaging to people he doesn't know, never met, doesn't intend to meet. they have no bond with him. this material, distributed to anybody else, would kill his career. i'm not a clinician, but is this suicidal? >> i'm not a psychologist either, but it's a cry for help, he wants to get caught, whatever pop psychology cliche you want to use, it's valid here. it is applicable. it -- again, some sort of compulsion and my initial
reaction after his press conference was, he talked to six women, compulsions usually don't symptom at six, they're usually -- they usually go beyond that. so i feared all along that there's more and more and more that -- >> let's take a look at the front page newspapers in new york. the "new york post" says fall on your sword, weiner, why quit now? before this picture came out today the new york coverage says stick a fork in him, picture of him as a hot dog, the "new york daily news," which is, i guess, the irish newspaper, i guess a democratic paper now, putz's porn star, a nice yiddishism in there says weiner coached her to lie about sex. i mean, it just gets worse. look at this. the new york people, however, have a different sensibility, 51% say he shouldn't resign. is that new yorkers looking out for themselves on their own?
>> i think poll was probably taken -- >> on monday. >> right. and look, chris, gene is absolutely right. a brilliant guy, dedicated guy, obviously has some form of emotional or mental illness. what i think anthony weiner should do, has a lot to offer, resign, get treatment, real treatment, maybe in-patient treatment and if he can rehabilitate himself, someday down the road in new york run for office some day? maybe. maybe. but he's got to resign. he owes it to the party, he owes it to the congress, and he owes it to the issues that he fought for. >> are you saying that as a democrat? >> i'm saying it as an american and someone who admired anthony weiner and admired what he did. >> but just as a person, imagine going if he stays and goes through an ethics committee investigation, would you like to have the ethics committee, you know, inside your deepest sexual fantasies? >> family, marriage. >> the women he was in touch with. all that comes into -- >> let ask this audience here, thank you for coming out on this sticky day. [ applause ] today we are going to get to more elevated discussions at
some point but at this point now, as american citizens and only citizens, please, just kidding, everybody can vote here, and democrats, republican, or independent, how many think that he should stick it out, remain a member of congress? okay, how many think his goose is cooked? [ applause ] okay. i want only the democrats to speak now, how many think he is good for the party if he sticks it out? how many think he should quit for the good of the party? [ cheers and applause ] i think we are hearing now, allison schwartz, a very respected member of congress, her job is to go to places like utah where it's hard to find democrats. wyoming, kansas, she's got to get them to join this party, and she is basically charged with finding winning members of congress for the next election so they can win back the house. gene, as an observer, is this a killer issue for her? that's why she put her hand up
and said she has got to go. >> makes her job harder. look, the republicans had a similar thing, frankly not as bad, with chris lee -- >> he quit that day. >> he quit in four hours. >> there's a difference, though. let's do the fine cutting here. he was apparently soliciting. >> well, yeah, okay, there's a distinction but there are other ways you can draw distinctions between the two. >> well, it's different. i think it goes more to your case. this isn't for sexual, whatever it was, it was a weird kind of virtual reality this guy was operating in. it wasn't for meeting people, at least in a normal way. >> cheating on his wife. >> it was a strange, strange thing. let me ask you this. does this compound the case that he knew he was under surveillance by the right wing, that they were calling out these women he was connecting with on the internet and using them to basically sting him and he still kept at it because he would -- what do they call it, befriend or defriend some of these
people? so he knew he was being surveyed upon, and he stuck at it. what's that tell you? >> again, it tells me it was a compulsion, it tells me he wasn't fully in control. he certainly wasn't asking in his own best self-interest. so on some level, he knew this would happen. he had to know this would happen. >> this is very similar to a very smart person who's addicted to crack cocaine. each time they take some crack cocaine, they know they're hurting themselves, they know it's bad for them, and yet they can't stop. and that's what this is. and can you get treatment? yeah, crack cocaine addicts get off of it and i think down the road, anthony can rehabilitate himself. >> we're going to talk more about this, we'll be back more from philadelphia in just a moment. [ manager ] you know 3q double shift... i need a break.
changing subjects for only a second, we'll be back to the other topic, weiner, in a second. but new top strategist, ed rollins, top strategist for michele bachmann, going after palin. let's listen. >> sarah has not been serious over the last couple years, and she -- she got the vice presidential thing handed to her. she didn't go to work in a sense of trying to gain more substance she gave up her governorship. >> so, we have two women on the christian right or the far right, tea party right, apparently contesting the presidential nomination of the republican party and the first thing michele bachmann did on the week she is entering the race apparently she's picked ed rollins to be her tough guy. he immediately went after sarah palin. here is sarah palin's tough guy responding, chief of staff to page, political action
committee, "beltway political strategist ed rollins has a long, long track record of taking high-profile jobs and promptly sticking his foot in his mouth to no one's surprise, he's done it again while also fuelling a contrived narrative about the presidential race by the mainstream media. one would ux suspect that his wood shed moment is coming and a retraction will be issued soon. for more on this war of words, let's turn to msnbc political analyst michelle bernard. and michael smerconish. let me ask you this question, weiner, is he done? >> it depends what happens i think with an ethics investigation. i think he can survive this. i really do. >> this picture out today, he can survive? >> had he come clean ten days ak, stood up and told us what we all know now, i believe he would have survived this.
the underlying conduct was not as bad to me as the coverup and the lying. >> releasing that picture of his private parts -- >> he didn't release it, he went on a radio show and opie and anthony took a picture and released it. >> what? what are you talking about? never mind. if you think michael smerconish has his head screwed on tonight? no response. no response. michelle bernard. >> if any of the women he e-mailed these pictures to are under 18, he's finished. absolutely. >> i never heard so many ifs, ands or puts. i think he is. ed rollins has been hired to be a top strategist for michele bachmann who apparently is going to enter the race and be at the first debate next week. immediately bites into the ankle of sarah palin and says she has no substance, is not serious. by the way, a pretty strong charge. and looks to me a pretty accurate one. her reaction comes back and says this guy has screwed up campaigns before. do you think that sarah palin secretly wants to have a big fight now with michele bachmann? because if she didn't, all she had to do was call her up today
and say get your guy off me, get your doings off my ankle. let's not do it this way. she didn't do it she unleashed her dog. >> i think ed rollins' statement, number one, most would argue it is a completely factual statement. >> that she is without substance? >> that she is without substance. she has done her reality television show, everything she has done is not enough to give people enough reason to believe she is a serious presidential candidate. what he said is a complete gift to her, it keeps her relevant. not talking about mitt romney, not talking about tim pawlenty, we're talking about michele bachmann versus sarah palin. this is the most relative thing sarah palin has done since the 2008 campaign. >> first thing they do when they get in a race is unleash the dogs. i've never seen a campaign start this fast. >> and the mail dogs. maybe serving notice to keep her out of the race, this thing's going to get ugly in a hurry if the two of them are in together. >> during 2008 everybody talked about hillary clinton, it was snow white and the seven dwarfs. what's fascinating, you've got the two men going at the candidates and people are sort of taken aback, it was two female candidates who have these
guys fighting it out for them. >> it's not like the press cooked up this fight. >> no, ed rollins cooked up this fight. >> by the way, check out what ed rollins said about sarah palin last night on "hardball," right here. let's listen. >> she doesn't run she doesn't matter. >> she doesn't matter. doesn't matterf she doesn't run. >> ed rollins says she doesn't matter, she doesn't run. he also told politico that bachmann would be so much more substantive and said people are going to say, i've got to make a choice and go with the intelligent woman who's every bit as attractive. what do you think of that? does that cross a line? >> that crossed a lot of lines for me. >> we don't say that about men. isn't attractive one of those general words you can use these days? >> it's a general word you can use by why use it at all. when the male candidate is running, nobody talks about the
combover or the tummy that hangs over the belt. >> but it's on everybody's mind. >> say mr. romney looks just perfect, his hair never blows in the wind, the same cosmetic number on him. >> that's the way they went offer chris christie because of his girth. jon corzine made that an issue >> what is wrong with chris christie's girth? how would you describe his girth? >> angelic. >> good for him. >> angelic. >> what? angelic? >> angelic. >> oh, my god. politico about palin, the view in iowa is that she is unstable. there's a good line. when she resigned her position as governor, the whole event seemed odd and people in iowa saw that. i think the word unstable is one of those words like, don't get so defensive. immediately you get defensive. >> if i'm mitt romney -- >> if somebody calls you
unstable, what would you be saying? >> they do, and i try not to -- listen. if i'm mitt romney, i'm loving it. the more the merrier to the right. doesn't matter if they're attractive, unattractive, they're all fighting for the same piece of the pie. to the extent there are any moderates left in the gop, that's how he wins the nomination. >> another example of dishonest polling, this about the mormon faith. are you comfortable with someone being a mormon, just views on mormon runs as president. 60% of voters say they're comfortable with it, gop voters. would they ask these questions, do they expect people to be honest? >> it's underreported. whatever that number is, it's higher than that. >> let's put the projection on this. 36% of all voters say they're uncomfortable with it. what would you add to that? >> i would say it's probably five or ten points higher. and who they are is important because those folks tend to be
evangelical christians. and in a state like south carolina they hold the cards in the nomination process. that's why it's a big process for romney. >> they really have a problem with him because he's mormon? this is the way they're thinking, it's the way they want to have an impact. >> the other problem romney is going to have if you look at the quinnipiac quinnipiac poll, if you separate african-americans and women, the number of people in those demographics uncomfortable with him being mormon, it skyrockets. >> explain the history of african-americans. >> the african-americans were shunned by the church of latter day saints and the whole polygamy thing with women, yeah, the polygamy thing with mormons has been -- it has not been the case for a long time, but there are a lot of people that believe so many women have a problem with mormonism. for romney he is quite right now the most normal centrist
running. if he makes it past the primary he's going to have to reach out to african-americans and the women. >> do you think the performance of anthony weiner on one end of the cultural scale has made the idea of a straight arrow president pretty attractive? >> no pun intended? >> he's so boring. he's so boring. >> i'm not sure i would say straight arrow, by the way. >> about romney? >> no, not about romney, about weiner. i thought we were talking about weiner. >> i think we've just conducted a rorschach test. let's listen to this flip-flop. >> ronald reagan was also pro-choice and then became pro-life and george herbert walk you are bush was pro-choice and then became pro-life and they became pro-life with the responsibility of leaving. the issue of great significance that everybody tells me i should just change my mind on and do
the politically expedient thing which is to say my health care plan was a terrible mistake, i'm not willing to do. >> what do you make of him? do you think romney, they pull their skin down they're going to be another form of life? that they're not really completely what they seem? >> i think the mitt romney. >> somebody once said that of gephardt. like i said of michele bachmann, are you hypnotized here? do you think he's for real when he talks or is he like mr. wizard. >> i think the mitt romney that governed massachusetts is a formidable opponent to barack obama. but the more he attacks to appease evangelical christians the more he's sealing his fate in a general election if he survives. >> i wonder if people have a real problem with politicians these days. >> absolutely. >> they deny, deny, deny, then come outcrying and saying
everything you thought about me is true. they say they're pro-choice to get elected and the minute they go west, they're pro-life and it's the same exact person. kennedy use the to say this about nixon. i feel sorry for him because he doesn't know which nixon do be. what suit do they put on? which tie do i wear? >> if we were to take a poll here and say do you want to get rid of everybody, they'd say yes. look at these signs. prisons growing while schools are closing, that's important, instead of we've got politicians that change their mind depending on what state they're in. it's a horrible state of affairs for the entire country. >> i think they'd like "hardball." thank you very much for joining us. up next, sarah palin's version of history according to conan o'brien. [ male announcer ] this
[ laughter ] >> congressman weiner confessed that the penis in question was, in fact, his own. he did show at a press conference at 4:30 in the afternoon. we tape our program at 6:00 p.m. i made the decision -- to do a couple of weiner jokes, but mostly stick to the script we'd already written. this was my decision. my decision alone. i recognize how wrong i was. unlike the congressman, i have decided to step down. i will turn the program over now to someone whose accent falsely makes you believe you can trust him, john oliver. john? >> you have a chance to draw your eyes, turn off your soul and give this audience the prepubescent jokes they waited [ bleep ] outside in 90-degree
temperatures for. you failed, jon! well, no more. no more, jon. no longer. rub yourself down. >> that thing stewart did with the drinking water, he is making up for lost time. next up, the sarah palin history channel. my god, conan o'brien used the palin method to come up with his retelling of what happened in the building right behind me, independence hall, back in 1776. god help us, here it is. >> the sarah palin history channel. tonight, the signing of the declaration of independence. >> when in the course of human events, it becomes necessary for one -- >> and then george jefferson read this wonderful little piece of paper about how we can have our own guns and such. >> oh, come on, that's not in there. >> and that's when paul revere and fdr walked right in, rode
right into that office and delivered the hog's blood and the feathers so everyone could put down their herby hancock. they celebrated by hooting and holler hollering. and gosh, it's good thing they had those when pops because hitler did not want that document signed at all. but hitler didn't know our boy also been working hard in a lab to come one the secret weapon. >> the sarah palin history channel. >> well, let's face it it's impossible to lampoon sarah palin. she beats you to it. coming up, president obama needs to do well in that strained oshkosh corridor if he wants to win re-election. with the economy on edge, how could he turn things around in those manufacturing states from pennsylvania? "hardball" from philadelphia, education nation.
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philadelphia, around northeast, also in bucks county. he is running for attorney general of pennsylvania this time. [ applause ] support of all here. my brother, jim, is a republican. he is chairman of the montgomery county commissioners. there he is. you're allowed to applaud my freakin' brother, you know. it's all right. it's permitted. [ applause ] >> i'm for philadelphia, too, all right? >> talk about the president trying to do to bring down unemployment, a huge issue in this country every part of the country, but especially, i think, when i call from scranton to oshkosh, the industrial states, where we have long had the great tradition of employment, real jobs, well paying jobs, where a young married person can support a family, even if only one person was working in the old days. those days aren't here anymore and how to replace them. i first have to ask you about the hot story of the day this embarrassing development with regards to the united states congress, one of the most well-known members of congress, on television constantly, anthony weiner, now comes out today that he put out on one of
these twitters or whatever, his accounts, put out a picture of had his private part notice strangest, most grotesque way and god knows why he did it and part of an unfolding story. does he have to leave the congress or the democrats have to carry him like a dead weight? >> i think he has to leave, chris. and this is why people hate politicians they say one thing and do another. and he lied. my heart goes out to his wife and family, but the bottom line is he should exit gracefully. >> jim, i got word that the "new york times" is reporting for tomorrow's papers that huma, the wife of anthony weiner, is now pregnant. so that's another fact of life that shows the human quality of this story. it affects real people. and there they are. >> so many people liked his credentials, an adversary for me, i'm a morning joe person, a "hardball" person, i like listening to his position. he made a lot of sense half the time. he was cutting, he was ascerbic, but, boy, brutal when he it goes the other way.
>> should he leave? >> i agree with harry reid. i've never agreed with harry reid on anything except for this. he said, what would you say if he called you for advice? he says, tell him to call somebody else. that's how i feel about it. harry reid was right on. >> talk about the serious problem. i believe the american voter, the prejudices voters have some more than others on both sides, barack obama's fate depends on the economics of this state and the other part of the country. what's your view about what he should be doing about training. he is out there every time i watch the news at night, he's been out at some fact friday, some startup. he's trying to identify with training, he's trying to identify with enterprise, with sun rise industries. is that enough or does he have to have a policy to create new jobs and everything in the works to get people competing with the chinese and everything else? >> he is doing everything he can and not happy and do all we can as a country to come together as
republicans and democrats to get people back to work. >> can he get re-elected if the unemployment rate is 9%? >> i think the economy will be hurtful to both parties, every incumbent up. >> what about the president? only incumbent president up. >> i think people see that he is doing his best and that he is working it. >> what about a number? is there a number he has to reach? if it's 8% unemployment, can he get credit for bringing it down from double digits? >> he does need something, he went after the middle class today. that was not a partisan speech. he mentioned the middle class four times today, three times preserving the middle class and something i've never heard a president say, moving up into the middle class for those who have not had that opportunity. and using a tremendous vehicle for it at community colleges and what they offer right now. and the whole idea of changing that dynamic and that is the idea that college is telling you what you're essentially going to
be. no. it's going to manufacturers, getting skill sets and putting them into the curriculum and also making ruthless decisions, in his own words today, on getting rid of those curricula that don't work, don't get people the jobs. >> so you're telling a kid that might have the drug business, all horrible things around him, kids who are dropping out and saying, no, if you stick at school, there's something on your horizon you can get involved with. right? >> that's right. >> not in 20 years, not as a college professor, but something that's real that makes you a decent income and makes you a proud person. >> that's right. it's about winning the future and jobs of future, not the jobs of the past. that's why today was remarkable. he talked about this public/private partnership, making sure that getting private industry and he listened to them to say what do you need to get these folks, these young americans engaged to get them back in the workforce. about half a million jobs just in the manufacturing sector, which is important. >> good point. let's tack a look at the
president today making the very points you two are making. northern virginia college, let's listen. >> we are in a tough fight. we've been in a tough fight over the last 2 1/2 years to get past a crippling recession, but also to deal with the problems that happened before this recession of the fact that manufacturing had weakened, the middle class was treading water. i don't think the answer is for us to turn back. i think the answer is to stand up for what this country is capable of achieving. >> how many people here think the government, both parties, are doing enough to create jobs? how many people think it's the number one issue? [ applause ] >> education! >> chris, the part about that speech today, it brought in occupational credentials, not just traditional educational, postgraduate degrees, et cetera. occupational credentials, giving that traction, what the country
has to do. we're not going to have a full recovery without occupational recovery as well. >> is this a federal responsibility to or local? >> no been doing it locally for several years in our community college. >> you and jill biden there. >> dr. biden was there, i was speaking with her to my right soulder and i think the president was today at northern virginia. >> i know the president was bucks county six weeks ago, talking about the green jobs academy, again this is a private venture, working with academia, to make sure we are training the students of the future about wing the future and getting people back to work, period. >> i want to thank both of you for your service, jim was a naval officer, you were -- >> army versus navy. >> i want to thank you. i don't know your stance on this but i want to thank you for what you did to get rid of don't ask, don't tell. open service is a great thing. people should be allowed to serve their country if they are capable of performing the service of a soldier. i was there with you that night, i think that will be a big part of your retire. >> i'm barry goldwater, shoot straight. that's all i care about. >> thank you, patrick murphy. thank you, my brother, beloved brother, jim matthews, republican. see, i'm well rounded. up next, talk to philadelphia mayor michael nutter, talk about how they are turning around.
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back in philadelphia for education nation. by the way, right behind me is one of the great spots in the world, independence hall where this whole country started. we are here with two great people, philadelphia mayor michael nutter. [ applause ] and the equally important and significant on this program, lisa nutter. thank you so much for joining, lisa. you know, both of you are involved very much in this city and we all know this is a great old city of the country this is where it all began, it's where we learned civics and where civics began. i want lisa to start. >> absolutely. >> young kids and how do you get a community to care about what everybody knows is important, is educating kids to compete in the world. >> well, i think what we've learned in the organization that i run, philadelphia academy is three things kids talk about that are important to them.
the fact that adults need to have high expectations for them, because they'll meet us at those high expectations. they need to have real life and relevant experiences. even though they are in school, they need to learn in some context and finally, that they thrive when they are around positive adults and that these relationships are really critical. i think these aren't things that necessarily academic in nature, it's about how community organizers are around them. >> businesses in this city, a chamber of commerce here, a business. i know it's challenging, those old industrial jobs when i was growing up. how do you get -- business people listening right now, republicans, democrats, how do you get them to say if you don't create an environment for the kids growing up in the rowhouses rowhouses, they're going do they do? >> i will start. you want to finish? the way it happens at home. >> okay. >> so the way we talk about it because we actually do use a lot of volunteers from the corporate sector is this is an investment and very clear it is an investment. for them, they need us to produce an 18-year-old that's career ready or ready for
postsecondary education. there's sort of no option for them. so i think they get that it has a financial impact for them and they come to the table because of that. >> so when can a kid go to work here? when i grow up, i talked many times, you could get a job out of bud, father judge, for boeing, coming out of bonner, i'm talking the catholic schools here. same with public schools. >> or out of prep. >> out of prep. one of the more elite schools. but in those days you could provide for a family in a real semi skilled job, they're not here, are they? >> well, a lot of the industrial economy has gone away, now, increasingly being replace in philadelphia by the green economy. there are new job opportunities in green economy that you can go and get a job. we need to talk about k-16. you can go into weatherization, you can go into sustainability. can you go work in a place that's now making solar panels or be on the other side. >> give me an example of
philadelphia school institution where you know right now there are young men and women in their later teens moving up through this, to having real careers. >> maxwell education group, young people came in, eight weeks later they're graduating. all of them then had jobs. the moment they came out of that institution. because there's so much demand, again, over in the green economy and the sustainability space, and philadelphia, increasingly becoming known as the clean tech and green economy sector in the united states of america. our philadelphia navy yard, now there are 10,000 people working at the navy yard, 110 businesses with a very different economic outlook right here in the city of philadelphia. >> let's talk about parents. bill cosby talk, he can be very tough about parental responsibility. the need to get married, basics, raise the kids, take responsibility for being a father. he's very good at this.
talk about that in general terms. >> in general terms, of course. it's a no-brainer. parents need to be engaged. but we do have circumstances where parents aren't. so what do we do? we don't say there's no way to support these young people. so i mean, i think this is back to the community issue, right? so if you don't have a parent that can play the role that a parent needs to play, you know, what's the safety net? and the safety net is us. and so i think that it's not -- it's not -- it just can't be an excuse the community. >> give me an example of a single parent family where you can help? >> where you can help? >> where you're helping? >> there's plenty of examples of that. >> on the city government side, the mayor's office we created graduation coaches. graduate coach is that person who's going to work with that young person up through middle school. up through high school and on to
college. goes back to something that was said earlier. when young people know there's an adult that cares about them. an elected official, a business person, when we invest in these young people. we have a great discussion going on right now all across this country about funding. we have to invest in your young people just like you would invest in a business. that's why you need to have kindergarten. that's why you need to have smaller class size. you need to make sure those who have dropped out or aged out needs a place to come back to. that's what we know works. we need to invest in that. >> i'm going to give you a chance to brag about that a little bit. we were talking at lunchtime about the scores. everybody wants to know how phil lee is doing with the -- philly is doing with the scores. >> eight years gains in scores.
there's no other big city school system that has made the kind of gains that philadelphia has made. there's no other state that's had some of those gains. i know you had on earlier the education governor of the united states of america ed ranel. this is very simple. when you invest in young people, set high standards they will meet that challenge. public school is free for young people, adults need to pay for it and we need to make those decisions. >> what major league baseball team right now has the most wins and the fewest losses? i'm just wondering, lisa, what team in all the leagues in all the divisions, american and national league, expansion teams who i don't like. i like real baseball teams. i don't like tampa bay. i only like cities i've heard of when i've grown up. what's the team with the best win record right now? >> i hope it's the phillys. >> it is. >> correct. this year the phillys have to win the championship. they've got to go all the way.
you've got to go -- posey. tall way. >> we want not only the phillys to win the world series. we want to be the education world series winner right here in philadelphia. >> i have one last question. why are philadelphia sports fans without that the most charming sports fans in the world? i am just kidding. >> we're well educated. >> it doesn't show in the parking lot. thank you. thank you very much, lisa. thank you, mr. mayor. thank you both. [ doctor ] here's some health information for people over 50.
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we're back with "hardball." we're here at 100 degrees not in the shade. it's 100 in philadelphia. when philadelphia gets hot, it's sticky with high humidity. over there behind me is the liberty bell. one of the great realities of american life. which i always love walking by. i want to ask some questions of these people. our theme here is education. what do you think is important? >> i think that education, the direct effect of unemployment rate has to do with education. >> how so? what's the connection? >> i think the fact that nobody has a great education is why unemployment is so high. and we represent some of the most powerful students of our city and our nation. if we took a look and actually decided to invest in education, i feel like unemployment and all the other dire situations in our country would not be as serious as they are. >> what's going on with violence
in schools. >> i have an answer to that. i go to west philadelphia high school. i'm a senior. violence has drastically decreased through the implementation of restorative justice and counsel horse. >> what's restorive justice? >> restorative justice are practices that are used instead of pushing students out into the criminal justice system where they're not educated, challenging zunts to take a look at the situations that are current and negative situations that occur in the schools. >> it seems like it's working. thank you. sir, what do you think about this scandal that is going on now? >> it's crazy. if anthony weiner cannot earn the trust of his own wife, he cannot represent his own people. the guy should resign. >> thank you. what do you think about education or the education of anthony weiner? >> i think moving forward from anthony weiner it's important that we mobilize the youth voet
between 18 and 35. >> last time in pennsylvania you had four million voet here in 2010. the democrats got creamed. not that i'm partisan on this one. in 2008 it was six million voters. obama can't win by the way. the democrats aren't going to win. >> we need to rally the 18 to 35, when they come out democrats win and we need to put elected officials in there to invest in education and not build more prisons. >> yonge lady you can pick anthony weiner or something high toned about snegs. >> i think students are constantly left out of the discussion when it comes to education. and harrisburg everyone's talking about salaries. they're not talking about students. it effects students. >> what do you want to say? you have a chance? >> university tuition cannot go up by $4,000. temple university is philadelphia's university. it does not make it possible for students. >> i gave the commencement, it's a great university. i hope it's affordable. >> i'm first generation nigerian for my family. >> welcome. >> they came here to get an education. >> you've got a total american accent? >> you think so. very much for coming aboard.