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they couldn't repeat them. they couldn't laugh at them. they couldn't call a doctor and tell them that a certain dose of this needed .500 ccs and here's why -- not their property, folks. when you realize that the only two realistic choices here are selling off america piece by piece or selling each other off in one giant ipo listing, you realize, hey, it's a good thing we have freedom of choice in this country. freedom. that's what this is all about. liberating the public's property. liberating the auction price of that property from the shackles of fair valley and totalitarian oversight, and if you can't see that, clearly, you need to step outside the box. >> mark, thank you so much. that does it for us. "hardball"'s up right now. twittered away. let's play "hardball."
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good evening. i'm chris matthews in los angeles. leading off tonight, exit stage left. congressman weiner gave way to the pressure on top of him. he's resignedin the end, the drip, drip drip of disclosure. too much. led to x-rated photographs and a major distraction for democrats. can they now get back to the message, pounding republicans for trying to kill medicare or will his hull louisiana lieu haunt them? congressman weiner lied about it at first only to confess with days and then dragged it out in hopes he could somehow survive even as just about everyone on top of him called for his resignation. we've got the story covered from you all the angles tonight including trying to discern what finally pushed the congressman over the toech resign. he did it today. throughout the day, some of the
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in your face comments that made him famous. let's get right to it. eugene robinson and politicos fred smith in that room of that big press conference this afternoon when weiner resigned. here's weiner making the announcement's his resignation with hecklers one from howard event turning the event into a freak show. let's listen. >> i have never forgotten my neighbors because they represent the same middle class story as mine. i went to public school it's my whole life. my mother was a schoolteacher for 32 years, my father went to law school on the gi bill. the middle class story of new york is my story, and i'm very proud of that. i had hoped to be able to continue the work that the citizens of my district elected me to do. to fight for the middle class and those struggling to make it. unfortunately, the distraction that i have created has made that impossible. so today i'm announcing my
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resignation from congress. >> man: yeah! pervert! >> so my colleagues can get back to work. >> man: yeah, thank you. >> my neighbors can choose a new representative, and most importantly, that my wife and i can continue to heal from the damage i have caused. >> man: the people want to know! >> you know, let me go to brad smith doing great reporting on a sleazy story. you did great. let me ask you, reminded me of the saddam hussein hanging. couldn't do it right. the grossness of at fair led to the growsness of the finale. who were the clowns making a disgusting situation even more disgusting? was that a howard stern guy? what was that like? something about seven inches? who was doing the yele? >> a crazy press conference. i've covered these for ten years. the biggest i've seen. 40 cameras. howard stern confirmed some kind of a stunt man from his show who didn't look like he was having any fun. there working.
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got up and started screaming obscenities. weiner brought in, a senior center, a lot of elderly around, weiner's supporters. you heard him yelling, no, no. don't resign. weren't hecklers, trying to support him packed with reporter. quite a scene. >> if you had to have a scan, i don't know how to say something sarcastic. certainly is strange one. the only one we've had that was viral, virtual, wasn't good old times sex. something strange. wasn't criminal, apparently. what was this thing? how would we write this in the history books? >> it was, first of all, a sex scandal without actual sex. it was, not our first kind of online sex scandal. representative chris lee, who -- who sent that shirtless photo to the woman he met on craigslist and that became public. he resigned in four hours and i
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actually thought from the beginning, as soon as the weiner stuff started coming out, this was not going to end well for him. in was going to be more revelations, and we going to have our second online sex scandal. >> here he is thanking a lot of people. more from his statement. amazing statement. not that long. a big chnk of it. let's listen. >> i want to thank, of course, the many people who have helped me. the people who have volunteered, the people who have given me advice. the many of my constituents who offered me good ideas and of course i want to express my gratitude to my family. to my mother and father who instilled in me the values that carried me this far, to my brother jason, and, of course, to my wife huma who has stood through me through this entire difficult period and to whom i owe so very much. >> you know, our colleague mike viqueira did a great job. a very good question that sow have popped out of this event. write a letter to the secretary of state of new york and issue his resignation?
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why have another circus? what do you think -- is he going to continue in politics at some later date? he ought to take a crack at it, if he cleans up this mess. he has talent. i've said for a week or so, resign and contest the special election. he's obviously not going to do that. is he trying to string out his career? more importantly, string out this scandal? >> two things. a guy who lived through the new york media and tv his entire political and public life. his whole life, and couldn't quite imagine going offstate of quietly, privately. that's not how he operates. it's part of his identity he had to do this in public. and i do think. you're right. probably he were come back. these things now on the internet toned burn. scandals burn hot but eventually burn themselves out. you see eliot spitzer is back. broke the law. a holier than thou prosecutor, he's back. talk about him running for mayor sometime. anthony weiner has almost $5 million in a political account
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in new york city probably could run for something at some point. >> is that feasible? given your perspective on this thing? >> i this difficult for him to come back into politics. i think there are a lot of things he can do. go into television, for example. or certainly political commentator. do politics in other ways. ed difference between him and spitzer is there are not pictures, naked pictures of spitzer out there. this stuff lives forever and i think it's going to live forever and haunt weiner forever. things could be hard. >> you're so genre to us our professional, gene. you're a britain guy at heart. you can't teach, can't lobby. so many things you can't do. not a lawyer, not a cpa. no a physician. you're seeing, at least be a television guy. >> or a print guy. i'll weigh in on that, chris. he can certainly comment on politics from a variety of circumstances from a variety of media. i do think it's going to be difficult for him center to run again for a national office.
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>> ben, wanted to jump in there, right? >> saying that the colleague of my suggest i'd would watch is weine weiner/huckabee. >> don't know how to make that. how weiner got into politics. a biographical day. this isn't a good-bye. this is an, i shall return speech. let's listen. >> i got into politics to help give voice to the many who simply did not have one. now i'll be looking for other ways to contribute my talents to make sure that we live up to that most new york and american of ideals. the idea that leaving a family, a community and ultimately a country is the one thing that all united states us. the one thing we're all focused on. with god's lep and with hard work, we will all be successful. thank you and good afternoon. >> that is the meeting today. you were there. i always ask people on public with me, what was at the crazy
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press conference you could smell, feel in the room that didn't show up on camera? >> the freak show quality produced a sympathy for wean thaer was lacking to this point. ed fact you have a guy, abusing him, produced a little reaction, a little sense of like, poor guy. let imexit with some dignity. as you say, that was a very political speech. like a totally political speech that looked forward to something next. >> that's what i think. gene in terms of purpose, will he try to take a break, a time-out as we say in grade school, but come back off the bench in some way? >> clearly, in some way, he will come off the bench. i'm not sure in what particular form, but he's not done with the political world. he's also, as you point out, he's not a lawyer. he's not -- you know, he doesn't have these other things to fall back on. politics is what he does. in some way, shape or form i think he's going to come back and try to do it again. >> maybe roger ailes over at
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fox, we'll have him play the liberal. wouldn't that be -- >> they referred me to cnn. >> perfect for rogers. here's your typical liberal with all the lifestyle qualities of typical liberal. talk to him about a scandal every night. second question, ben. you cover politics not just scandals. will this be a period or comma? were we hear steve israel, for example, tomorrow talking about the medicare problem for the republicans and the danger to medicare to older people they're posing with their budget plan? will they get back on mark fast enough? >> democrats hoping to get back on meg. remember with the scandal, the leadership what they'd done, how they'd handled it. because there's no criminal aspect to this, i'm not sure there are more questions to ask nancy pelosi. we'll see. they're going to try hard to stop talking about anthony weiner. >> sure beats a long ethics
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hearing. does it? >> yeah, it does. democrats are breathing a sigh of relief over that. i think democrats will banish the word weiner to the extent that they can from their vocabulary and go back to medicare. they'll be very happy to have this over and done with, and i think they'll declare it over and done with. >> let's check the word count from weiner. more weiner, by the way, a little more, those who missed the event today. it was, as i said, sort of like the hanging of saddam hussein. gross, even in its conclusion. interrupted by hecklers calling out obscene stuff. i'm sure you can hear it. let's listen. >> i want to thank my colleagues in the house of prep representatives. democrats and republicans alike. they come from different places around the country but they're all patriots and i will miss them all. >> man: are you more than seven inches? >> i also want to thank members of my staff.
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there are young people not paid very much. people that work very hard and very long hours. ultimately, those people define the notion of service. >> well i guess, ben, you were there. i want to close on this. that certainly is an example of keeping on meg, despite what we all heard on television. the gross comment by that howard stern guy. he kept talking. he did his job. i think weiner did ve very well today. i'll leave it at that. a good job. at his best, dignity, a measure of class, missing in all of this, and maybe for his good and the good of his wife and his family, hi parents who must be suffering through this, he'll be bag to being a human being after all this. anyway, thank you, gene robinson, "the washington post" and ben spinnimith of politico. great job of covering this mess. coming up, how not to handle a scandal. going in the books. maybe put it in my next edition of "hardball." you don't lie your way through it, say i want to call a lawyer, a doctor, waiting for my wife to
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today i'm announcing my resignation from congress. >> man: yeah, pervert! >> so my colleagues can get back to work. my neighbors can choose a new representedive, and most importantly, that my wife and i can continue to heal from the
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damage i have caused. >> man: the people want to know! >> what a crowd out there. anyway, welcome back to "hardball." congressman weiner, and the crowd lechaling him. ten days ago on june 6th weiner denied he would presign in another press conference. what was said on "hardball" that same day. >>ened he opens up new lines of inquiry. in two weeks if anthony weiner's still in congress, i'll be surprised. >> the same steve mccann joins us now along with msnbc's analyst, legal analyst, michelle bernard. what led you to believe besides your ingenious mind, did you have asem ambulance of what was coming? >> well, only because congressman weiner had spent so much time attacking the press and denying it vigorously yet unible to answer the questions at the same time. when he went ount and raise add bunch enough questions and you and i that evening, you're the first person to point it out, he actually raised new areas of
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inquiry and why didn't he give a short statement? nike questions and leave the stage? that's the big mistake. first lying. second, waiting for as long as he did to get it's facts out. third standing there answering all the questions for 40 minutes. i know he loves the media. that that case, that instinct is what destroyed him. >> michelle, take a look. i want you to comment. nbc's luke russert did a great job. he got the question that got the answer out of this guy that i think did exactly what steve said. teased us. here's luke with the question, and him with the answer. let's listen. >> the pick dhaer went over twitter to jennette from your account, is that you? >> well, let's keep in mind what happened. i was pranked, hacked, punked, whatever it is. someone sent out a picture. i'm an easy name to make fun of and i think that that's what happened again. >> but that's not a picture of you? >> i can't say with certitude. my system was hacked. pictures can be manipulated.
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pictures can be dropped in and inserted. one of the reasons i've asked the firm that includes an internet security firm is take a look at what happened to make sure it doesn't happen again. >> michelle bernard, when in history will politicians learn that when you dodge a question, a decent reporter asks it again. luke asked the exact question again. is that you? and finally came something like the truth in the teasesing manner he offered it i can't say without certainty. transition, okay, you got me. >> absolutely, chris. i was going to say. not just that luke asked a great question, every single human being who watched that interview had to be thinking in that instant that if he doesn't know without certitude whose body part that was, then obviously, he absolutely -- absolutely did it and it was him in that picture. he made a terrible, terrible, terrible mistake.
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i have to tell you, one of the things most women i have talked to about what happened with anthony weiner have been more grateful than anything else that the american public didn't have to stand by and see hit, watch his wife stand by his side as if to say that all of this is okay, and i will be with you no matter what. you know -- >> as a woman, and i think it's a great question. what should be the prprotocol f who get trouble in the general area of sex that doesn't involve the innocent wife? what should be the role of the innocent spouse? you say to be off-camera? >> first of all, the protocol should be, dote ghent into sex problems, if you are a married man, but going past that and assuming that that comes up as an issue, you know it really depends on the spouse, but over the last few years whether it was jim mcgreevy, the former governor from new jersey, or to other people, when you sit and watch the spouse looking up, you
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know, like a deer in the headlights and not knowing really what to do, most american women, and you have to remember, it's american women who vote more than the american men. women are looking at that. they're watching it on television saying, i can't possibly suffer through this. i feel sorry for her. how could he do this to his wife? i think that from now on we will probably see wives not stand there and deal with the hue humiliation we've seen time and time again over the last couple of years. >> as a guy, the only classy about the whole spitzer mess, the classiness of her wife, came out with that tasteful scarf, like a real gentle lady putting up with her embarrassing husband, i thought at least all's right with her world, even if it isn't with him. your thoughts, steve. >> i was going to say the same thing. his wife may have changed the rules. people have given anthony weiner a lot of credit for not drags his wife out there. anybody who knows his wife, i
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don't know her well. anybody who's met his wife he wasn't going to drag her somewhere she didn't want to go. she's a woman of her own mind and probably told anthony weiner what he was going to do. he doesn't -- >> that's my exact experience. here's weiner on his june 6th press conference when he admitted what he did. let's listen. >> made very clear i did not send pictures of my twitter account, that it had been hacked and apparently successful, but after hours almost 11 hours of answering questions ended to today i'm going to have to get back to work doing the job that i'm paid to do. i appreciate your patience and understanding. >> you know, stephen, and michelle, seems there's a couple of things we're learn about politics. we've already learned and are discovering again. rolling disclosure. a phrase i'm been experienced with. when politicians finally tell you the truth after they're
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forced it. roll it out slowly. what do you tell your clients when involved in something, they can survive, if they deal with it the right way? >> well, i tell them the only way to survive if you're going to have a, a sort of roving disclosure situation is to get everything out as quickly as possible, and then to basically answer whatever questions you're willing to answer and draw a curtain on it. you don't go out then, if you're anthony wiener, three weiner, a orange to talk to reporters. you basically try to bring the curtain down on the scandal and wait it out. i'm not sure he could have made it through this, because this is going to be a rolling disclosure unless he told everything and i presume he didn't want to tell everything because he was protecting his wife and maybe other people, but in a case like this, the only chance that you ever have is to get all the facts out, get them out quickly, answer the questions and try to move on. >> here's more of weiner's press conference today. michelle, you responded.
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ten days ago, the earlier press conference, put a of this rollout of the truth which took two weeks. here the first part. let's listen. >> i don't know the exact ages of the women, and i don't know if you do. i'm going to respect their privacy, but they were all adults, at least to the best of my knowledge they were all aults and they were engaging, and engaging in these conversations, consensually. >> this is -- change the gender here, michelle. gypsy rose lee stuff. this is teasing. i can't say without cert tooud it's not me. i can't say exactly how old they were. leaving each press conference like you do on television. you tease the next item. he was like teasing the next episode. >> he was literally giving people a reason to go out and do more investigations and i believe it was, know, a week ago tomorrow we found out wan one of the people he involved in online communication was actually a 17-year-old young woman in delaware.
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>> i'm not going to defend him generally, that was apparently just politics they were talking. that's what i heard. >> yeah. and i'm not going to dispute that, but the bottom line is he handle this so horribly from day one. he should have either done what was discussed earlier, which was come out with all of it, right in the very beginning or should have said, absolutely nothing. but -- either way -- >> 30 seconds. to the political adviser, if he ever want to run for politics what should he do in the next six months? >> i think he gave his first campaign speech today. i'll be back but i'm not going to be back tomorrow. i think he's already planning his comeback. what he needs to do show contrition. probably do something for the community that's seems self-less and then he needs to basically wait until the time is right. he's got $5 million and can pop up at any time. he's a very talentsed guy. >> that's the advice i gave spitzer before he signed with cnn. he ignored me completely. you're right, and i was right, the other guys are are wrong,
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but it's billient advice. take your time. do something good that's not just for you and eventually people lp say, hey, everybody's human. thank you. and solve that problem he's got about twittering. get off the twitter. don't ever twitter again. once again, anthony weiner's resignation. we're learning a lot. later in the hour, mitt romney tries to bond with out of work voters saying he's unemployed. one of the richest guys ever to run for president. you don't chuckle about being unemployed when you're a multi-millionaire. this guy has the wrong foot out there. you're watching "hardball" on msnbc.
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this, anthony weiner pressured from nearly all sides. what pushed him to resign today adviser to bill and hillary clinton and mark, thanks for coming on. tell us what you can. we were hearing for a while that secretary clinton i think was standing behind her top aide huma. the wife of anthony weiner, and obviously in solidarity of the innocent. and the question then is, did they urge them to stick it out or did they urge him to cut his losses? what was the message coming from the clintons? do you know? 2u if you don't, you don't. >> i don't know the message comesing from the clintoning. clear what the message was coming from everyone eggs and fr else and the endire democratic establishment. it was a congressman not a president. you know, the democrats themselves really neemded to get back to their message and he was in a safe seat.
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so the democrats couldn't afford this kind of distraction. there was no gain's in it and a miracle he lasted even two weeks given how this was going. >> is that how you followed it, david? did you sense any kind of dispute with the factions around this couple? was there a, an argument about what the right course was? >> i think there was probably some hesitation with the democratic caucus to jump on him too fast, too quickly, just out of the general sense of solidarity and loyalty. but as mark said, this was a guy who they didn't really need, they didn't -- he was a fellow without a lot of friends. i talked to someone connected to the white house. listen, he takes a lot of shots at us. we can live with that. he's arrogant. we don't like tham much and not a lot of goodwill around town even though he married into the clinton clan. so all that being equal,
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political calculations rule the day, and the democrats decided that it wasn't worth sticking out their necks for this guy that back in the clinton days all of these people who called on anthony weiner to resign all stood by president clinton and didn't want him to leave, because they still thought that his remaining in office was a good thing for them politically. >> take a look at thick. the "chicago sun-times" reported june 9th, bill and hillary clinton had numerous long conversations with the two spouses in this case. talks with the new york congressman very ice e and tough to say the least and said another source close to both, the secretary of state and to huma, her assistant. let me go to this question. what do you think was -- to me, i kept asking myself, mark, of course, i've advocated he should resign and run in a special election. maybe too expeditious in the return to public life. leave it up to the people while they're red not that district, brooklyn, standing by their man
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against any component. come back in in a marginal race against a couple challengers, come back in and be certified add, okay, vote of no confidence. i went to the people, they said, come on back in. why did he avoid going that route when he has opportunity? mark? >> i just think that's an unrealistic snare glow terms of the way things are going here. >> why? >> because he's going to need, as your previous guest said. he's going to need a time here to go back and kind of regroup. to do some things for the community. if he's going to come back into politics, it certainly isn't going to be in a special election. besides that would have kept the story going. you know, democrats need to get back to their message. that would have been months more of the anthony weiner story. that would have been a continued distraction, that would have benefited no one. i don't think anyone would have welcomed him in a that race with that scenario. it's not reasonable. >> my guess, the democrats, would have sent a strong signal.
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you come back this way you will not be welcomed here and that won't go over well back in your district. i also think there was a constituency of one that had a lot of influence here. probably his wife. if she urged him to do something, maybe whoa have taken that seriously. if you recall, some sincerity when he wanted to wait for a return, sit down and have a long talk. so you can't overestimate, you know, the fact that he was playing to an audience of one person at the very end of this, because there was nobody else standing by him except for a few people back home. >> look at the "new york times" reported on saturday june 11th. "pelosi and the campaign committee chair are frustrated. according to one lie-ranking democratic official when mr. weiner repeatedly told him he could not resign now because his wife huma abedin was traveling with her boss, secretary of state hillary clinton and
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unpersuaded pretext. i don't want to get into family issues. we value family, spouses, issues at home. most argue about things occasionally. the question, was this guy playing out his strength all along and finally ran out of strengths. first i want to hire a lawyer. everybody chuckled. then i'm going in for treatment and apparently nancy pelosi leader of the democratic house laughed that one off. then said i have to wait for my wife to get home. is it reasonable to assume he was simply playing for time? >> i think he was playing for time to see if there was a way for him to keep his seat. he tried more or less every trick in the book. in terms of trying to keep his seat and none was working because he'd had no political support. knop leadership. no support, really, of any kind. so i think it left him no choice, and i think that he had to come to grips with the fact that he no choice. i think he'd be sitting there saying, look, i didn't do anything illegal, but this didn't morph into the kind of thing that happened with
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president clinton. republicans trying to unseat the government and the democrats rallied to the notion his private life was separate from his private life. quite the opposite happened here. >> you made a good point. that this is a safe district for the ds. right? >> a safe district. may not even exist. >> they have to get rid of a sdplict redistricting. this may be an easy way out because they don't have to bounce anybody who they really care about. it won't be a competition amongst the incumbents. >> look what the democrats said -- >> kd. >> two words. the democrats saying two words. anthony weiner, thank you. >> i think he did 2 well today's dp the right thing for the party clearly and handled himself well even with the howard stern person and bad people in the room. let's look at what i think was a move by the president that may have been the dealmaker for his departure on monday. the president did something so unusual. he went on the "today" show with ann curry and said weiner should quit. a good question by ann that got it going. of course.
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let's listen. >> i can tell you that if it was me, i would resign. because public service is exactly that. it's a service to the public. and when you get to the point where because of various personal distractions you can't serve as effectively as you need to, at a time when people are worrying about jobs and their mortgages and paying the bills, then you should probably step back. >> well, i think the president didn't get hurt by this. a clean lifestyle. not touched at all. clearly, not able to get the message out. probably thrilled they can start tomorrow doing that. thank you for joining us. thank you as always. up next, congressman weiner, was it right to the resign or should he have stayed with it? those believe he should have fought this had something to say in politics and should have been allowed to keep saying it. this is "hardball" on msnbc.
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more of anthony weiner's greatest hits of last year. here se he is going ballistic for voting down a bill that would have provided health care for 9/11 responders using proposal grounds against him. >> and then we stand up and say, oh, well, we had a different classes you vote yes. you vote yes if you believe yes. you vote in something you believe it's the right thing. if you believen the rot thing you vote no. i will not yield to the gentleman and the gentleman will observe regular order. the gentleman will observe regular order! >> wow. anthony weiner, back in july of 2010. we'll be right back. [ jane ] here's me. and here's my depression.
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you know, i want to any other vice people watching at home playing that now popular drinking game when you take a shot every time the republican say something that's not true. please, assign a designated driver. this going to about long afternoon. >> wow. that quote from january of this year shows the kind of passion former congressman anthony weiner brought to the job. he was right to resign, or was he? my guests disagree. reverend al sharpton heads the national -- >> gentlemen, never now how it's going to go. whether it's partisan or not. josh marshall. should he have quit? >> i wish he wouldn't have quit. if he wanted to, i have no problem with that. the key is, i don't like how his party ganged up on him and forced him out. the next thing they were going to do, say they weren't going to
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have electricity in his office anymore. couldn't have lights on or something. the kind of universal demand from the leader of his party in congress, the head the democratic party, everyone, demanding that he resign, when other people who've done infantly worse things have never been treated like that and all while this is happening, his voters, the people who he actually works for, polls showed clearly, they didn't want him to resign. so it's not that i think that, you know, the republicans are going to say whether anthony weiner is in office, fall or not, the intensity of demands seemed off to me. because of that, i wish he wouldn't have had finally buckled, although i can only imagine the pressure was overpowering. >> one point of view. he should have stuck. reverend sharpton what should he have done? the right thing to do, to walk? >> he put himself in a very precarious tour with hid media tour denying everything when he
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knew think was something personally he to know that he his denials were wrong. i think where my concern, where i agree with him is that, my concern is where is the precedent now, where are we drawing the line? we have people, as just stated, that have done far worse, that have not had pictures and didn't have sex but had sex with no pictures. did not leave congress but supported with republican dollars for reelection. so i think the question that now we are left with is where is the precedent? where is the line going to be drawn now? i think that that is a real, real concern for a lot of us because will they now try to use the weiner example every time someone is accused of something or does it have to be proven or do you have to lie about it? i mean, where do we go from here? i don't know that that's clear. >> well you know what, gentlemen, i started this discussion about two weeks ago with our producers arguing we
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should look at this for what it is, public service abused or not. not circle the wagons eye ideal ojically. josh, would you make the same, i don't want to impun anyone, but if someone else was lying, would you say they should stick? >> i would. i run a news website. we have been all over this story. we have published all sort of embarrassing details about anthony weiner. so it is not that i have any particular brief for him as an individual or what he did. i'm not even really trying to defend him. my sense is, a public servant works for the voters who elected him or her. and i just -- it seemed unseemly to me that people who he doesn't work for, he doesn't work for nancy pelosi. he doesn't work for schultz or israel. those people ganging up on him and forcing him out.
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frankly, our website covers all sorts of scandals. we cover them all aggressive. you know, i don't call for people to resign. that's not part of my -- that's not -- >> wait a minute, here. i want to get reverend sharpton in here. joe mccarthy was sense ordered by the entire senate. he probably could have been re-elected in wisconsin. is it always up to the people? >> the house can expel a member -- >> i don't know about your particular site, but to say republicans and right wingers don't call for people to resign, no, they just call for people to be impeached. we are talking about a situation here where i think that mr. weiner, i do a syndicated radio show aside from the network, a lot of people wanted him to resign. it is up to his constituents and people that vote for him. he also has a responsibility to say to them that if i've not going to be able to effectively
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work with the leadership of my party that assign committees that makes it possible for me to deliver goods and services, to you, can i effectively represent you? you can't discount pelosi and democratic leadership because if there's not an effective relationship with them, can he deliver for those constituent? >> i think that's a certain point. again it got to the point if he was stripped of his committee assignments and stuff like that, i just don't think they frankly should have done that. to go to chris's point, you're right, chris, that that was the case. and there is a role. but look, the house can expel a member. if they thought that was necessary, then they could have gone that route. again, i don't think the idea of seeing, someone whose made a fool of themselves, but not committing a crime, getting the bum's rush. it seemed as of the last poll, his constituents wanted him to
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stay in. >> think is a healthy argument. who makes the call, the people at home, members of congress. does he get to serve out a term no matter what he does? or the house as a whole? i think we will have this pressure back and forth. i think you did it right by calling it a bum's rush. there wasn't a tribunal. there wasn't a vote even on the house floor. there wasn't a vote of the caucus. thank you, josh. thank you reverend. now that weiner thing is behind us, let's get back it business. you're watching "hardball."
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>> let me finish with a simple statement of hope, we are back it business. that business is the two kinds of countries you want to live in. do you want it live in a country where 40 or 50 million americans and climbing won't have health care. they go without a doctor, without medicine were without help for their health when they need it or do you want it live in a country where people have health protection. nothing is perfect but make your choice. what kind of country do you want did live in? one in which gay and bisexual are rel relegated to second class or we are all god's children and we have it that way. your choice. these two political parties disagree. do you want to have a country where they run under the neohawkishness, and someone we
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might not always like but finds a way to bring our troops home, not ideological ways to find new countries to invade and occupy. there is a choice. care clinton and obama with the bushes. iraq, ma panama and somalia. compare that to obama. what kind of presidents do you want in those that lean into war or those that lean against it. do you want to protect the environment, that believes in science, or the other? those that mean man inherited the earth and to pig out on what we were given. these are good choices. not at all hard to make. so stick with us. anthony weiner's got some time-out and some growing up to do. maybe we all do. as i said, we're back to business. and that's "hardball." nor now, thanks


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