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nice friday voice, willie. i'm guessing 12 shots of tequila and two packs of smokes. >> what else have you got? >> james writes, i'm trying to sound like willie this morning so i can call out of work. >> it didn't work for me, i'm here. >> i'm up this early to advise willie on his laryngitis. gargle with vinegar and warm water. massage your voicebox gently between your thumbs. >> "morning joe" starts right now. ♪ >> we are here to talk about jobs, about protecting medicare and to protecting the middle class. if you are here to ask a question about congressman weiner, i won't be answering any. i have made the statements i'm going to make.
>> i think the fact anthony weiner went on national television day after day to present a wrong version of the story, you know, to try to fabricate an entire other reality only made his problems worse. >> all right, congressman. 8:19 p.m. of june 15th, the last word is officially moving on from the anthony weiner story. >> okay. good morning. it is friday, june 17th. welcome to "morning joe." with us on set, we have msnbc contributor, mike barnicle. we have the chairman for the republican national committee, michael steele and willie with no voice on his way. why won't you lose your voice? >> i know. wow, good morning. that would be great for everybody, wouldn't it? >> maybe a brief respite. >> just for a day. >> what's happened to willie?
>> i don't know. >> i want him to sit near you. maybe you'll catch it. >> smoking. >> oh, okay. a lot going on. >> i didn't think they were going to hold on, but they did. yankees keep winning. >> yeah. >> that's turned great. it's going to be a great one down the stretch. >> a big interleague weekend. >> yeah. >> you are all excited, aren't you? >> yes, i am. >> you have no idea what i'm talking about. >> can we -- >> yeah, let's get through this. >> do we have to read the story? >> there are a couple things. >> the whole thing was so sleazy, even the way it ended was sleazy. >> an aid says a special election to fill new york's vacant congressional seat will be held in october or november. the seat is open after anthony
weiner stepped down with a four minute speech. he announced his resignation a week and a half after admitting sending lewd photos of himself to women online. >> i'm here today to apologize for the personal mistakes i have made and the embarrassment i have caused. i make this apology to my neighbors and constituents. i make it to my wife, houma. to fight for the middle class and those struggling to make it. unfortunately, the distraction that i have created has made that impossible. so, today, i'm announcing my resignation from congress. >> pervert! >> a little known fact here. it's all i'm going to say. i didn't want to out him but i have to out him.
>> what are you doing? >> there's a good reason willie geist lost his voice. >> oh. oh. that's pretty good. >> you know what, we had an agreement. >> this scandal has shone. >> stop. it's funny, but stop. >> photos will surface and photos of you screaming out those questions. >> you outed me. >> stop. okay. >> unfortunately, i don't know what that word means. >> that's funny. now, let's move on. let's take the opportunity to be different. >> can i ask joe one question? >> no. >> would you have held that given the opportunity for a bigger circus? >> if i were a new york congressman or congresswoman, i would have checked for credentials at the door. it's different than being in northwest florida or iowa.
in new york, control that. >> i thought the whole thing was surreal from the beginning. more importantly, i thought yesterday shouldn't have happened. he should have issued a statement. save the public embarrassment. >> the people that supported you, that's what i was wondering. >> when you have stood in front of them and lied so boldly and forcibly for so long. owing them something, is gone. >> that's a good point. nancy pelosi welcomed his decision saying, congressman weiner exercised poor judgment in his actions and poor judgment in reak. today, he made the right decision resigning. president obama talked about weiner's future with abc news. >> i wish representative weiner
and his lovely wife well. it's been a tough incident for him. i'm confident they will refocus and he'll refocus and they will end up being able to bounce back. >> this congressional seat representing queens and brooklyn may not exist with new york slated to lose seats due to population shifts. they pick districts with no incumbent. >> you know, at the end mike barnicle, we didn't cover this an awful lot. made a lot of people on the right mad just like we have made a lot of people on the left mad for not wallowing in the vitter stuff. but, you can draw comparisons. the political import of this, forget the sleaziness is the fact democratic -- a lot of people are upset with nancy pelosi and the democrats for
doing what they did. but they have a chance to take the house back. the best parallel was mark foley when he got in trouble. they worked to throw him overboard. it was getting in the way of them controlling congress. that's what happened here. that's the political story here. the democrats had to move quickly on anthony weiner to get him out to keep the subject line as medicare and not sex pictures. >> well, i mean the democrats had a good story line going after new york 26. anthony weiner knocked it right off the trolly tracks for now going on two weeks. i have to tell you, just this morning, as you were doing the news, all i can think of is his wife. he's now off my screen. >> right. >> he's gone. but his poor wife. that phrase, try to understand
that. imagine what a nightmare her life must have been and must be. >> what it is this morning. >> i love the fact she did not stand by her man. she was nowhere to be found. you walked into this mess by yourself, you are walking out by yourself. she is focusing on herself and her baby. they will work through what they need to work through. it's where a lot of people's hearts and minds are. >> there's no excuse for what happened. there's no excuse for the way some members of p media and at the news conference acting the way they did. >> and willie screaming like he did. >> we were talking about what happens to men and women when they go to washington and they get in power. >> it's a rarefied air. if you breathe too deeply, you suffocate from it.
a lot of people forget these individuals are flawed. they are attracted and follow things they shouldn't and it gets them in trouble. the thing about washington is there's a mind set that says cover it up. fix it, don't tell anybody. if he would have come to the floor and said look, my bad. as opposed to saying, i don't know who that is. there you are. that's the washington mind set. >> all right. moving on, key candidates and gop members kicking off the leadership in new orleans. newt gingrich addressed the crowd to journey's, "don't stop believing." then he attacked president obama. >> this is the core of my argument with barack obama. he is a natural secular european
socialist. he believes in big government. he believes he knows more than we do and should help us redesign our lives. it is the opposite of freedom. >> do we need to discuss? okay, no. jon huntsman -- >> i will tell you. barack obama and the sort of mushy progressive but moderate extending bush tax cuts and tripling the number of troops in afghanistan is not left wing. it's not the opposite of freedom. the opposite of freedom would be oh, i don't know, gadhafi. that's the opposite of freedom. now that we have clarified that. >> thank you. you can finish your morning bun now. keep eating it. it's okay. >> calling kathleen sebelius
that and barack obama the opposite of freedom. you can go ahead. sir, why can't you just say, i disagree with his viewpoints instead of bringing up hitler and saying he's opposite of freedom. gadhafi is the opposite of freedom. al qaeda is the opposite. >> i think people are smart enough to know this. >> why does he keep saying stupid things like that? >> because that's who he is, clearly. to me, the interesting thing about that clip, it's one of many we have of newt gingrich sounding the same, he doesn't sound as if he's running for president so much as if he's trying to be sean handy's fill-in host. you know, during the summer months that sean takes off. >> someone's got to do it. >> that's what he sounds like. >> a good time slot for him. >> he's out of the box, wagging
his finger and lecturing the crowd. we have to win the special elections for the house and the senate elections. itis the way it works. people's eyes are glazing over. >> it's too easy. >> i think a lot of that has come out in the past. >> where was he a professor, by the way? >> in his mind. >> stop it. >> he was a friend. >> georgia. >> can we move on? >> georgia state. i don't know. >> it's too much. >> we have to work on that. jon huntsman was slated to speak at the event days before the official roll out of his official campaign. the former utah governor has to cancel due to a cold. instead, his wife and daughters are expected to attend and meet with supporters. two other 2012 runners were
absent. tim pawlenty faces questions about the obamney care comment. he was hesitant to address it at the gop debate on monday. yesterday, pawlenty admitted he made a mistake not confronting romney at the debate in a tweet. oh, boy. you know -- >> what did he tweet? >> it's not really confronting the issue. he wrote this on seizing debate opportunity re health care, me zoe row, mitt one. on doing health care reform the right way as a governor, me one, mitt zero. fine. >> he's a nice guy. it was one screw up and one debate. how many days do we want -- michael, how many days do we want to jump up and down?
>> you don't want to but it says how aggressive you are prepared to be in the primary and the president of the united states. i said as chairman of the rnc and i'll say it again, this is not going to be an easy walk for republicans. i don't care what the economy is, we need to understand this organization is deep, it is wide, it is ferocious and the democrats are hungry. we seem to have forgotten since november, 2010, what that hunger is about and what it's like. i think pawlenty lost a good moment there in that debate. >> i don't understand why he can only talk about this when talking to the fox audience. i joke about it. last night, he addressed dodging the obamney care issue on fox. >> i should have been more clear during the debate. i don't think we can have a nominee involved in the development and construction in obama care then continues to
defend it. that was the question. i should have answering it directly. instead, i was focused on obama. it leads to the contrast of romney. i should have been more clear. he was involved in developing it and laid the ground work. he continues to defend it. >> he's got 86 more chances. all right? is that okay? kicking him around like that makes me sad. >> please. newt gingrich, seriously, red meat on the set. ridiculous. >> willie? >> i feel good about it. >> do you need to go home? >> i'm okay. >> i feel bad we are talking pawlenty. i mean mitt romney, he's unemployed, right? >> i know. that way he can connect with america. >> because he's unemployed? >> yeah. >> he told americans he was unemployed. >> he did.
>> don't do that if you are worth hundreds of millions of dollars. >> that, i would call a gaffe. >> if you are worth $100 million and trying to -- are you going to call yourself unemployed? >> i'm taking a pass. >> he's telling a joke. >> maybe we weren't there. let's look. >> thank you godfather, we'll play it. >> maybe i should tell my story. i'm also unemployed. and i'm not working. >> what is the context of that? >> i's a joke. he's having fun. it's a joke. give him some slack. >> we'll give him some slack. we are going to give t.paw and romney some slack. no, i'm not going to give newt
slack. call barack obama the opposite of freedom, that's ridiculous. >> rhetorical -- >> rhetorical vomiting. come on, man. >> too easy. >> just talk. tell people in bux county, pennsylvania how they are going to get their jobs back. tell people in the i-4 corridor something they don't know. tell people how they are going to get back to work. these are cheap shots. it's the political version of a pie in the face. just stop and tell people how you are going to get them back to work. stop with the stupid stalin comparisons. >> okay, i think he's heard you. >> no, he's been doing it for 20 years! god, when is he going to stop and just tell people what they need to know about how we are going to get back.
you can get people back to work without bringing up hitler every three secular socialist machine that's going to chew up jesus and spit out the american flag. come on, dude! >> i think you are focused. you are listening on jon huntsman and mitt romney. >> we are so doomed. jon huntsman here on "morning joe." it's over. it's over. i tried to insult him. >> who told you? >> it's over. we've been too nice to him. he's done. >> coming up, senator mark warner of virginia will be on set also jeffrey sachs. moderator of "meet the press" david gregory will be with us. stories from the politico playbook. a mass exodus of young aids. first, a check on the weekend
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sxz the bruins beat the canucks 4-0. they did not take the loss well. they had riots. someone set a car on fire. it's a good idea. went down and caught the game, right now the car is on fire. look at that. look at that. that's an idiot. >> that's what happens when you have free national health care. you can take risks like that. >> okay. 23 past the hour. >> sign me up. >> stupid. >> sign me up. >> stupid. time to look at the morning papers. the powerful lobbying group is cutting social security benefits. it could rock washington's debate of how to revamp. >> it is fascinating. >> it is. >> fascinating. the military is asking the president to hold off on the afghanistan troop surge until
the fall of 2012. it's part of a proposal to keep a large portion of the 33,000 large forces in the country through the next warm weather fighting seasons. >> out of uniform means out of work for military veterans. according to the labor department, the jobless rate for 18 to 24-year-olds fresh out of the military is 34%. >> amazing. los angeles times has big news out of california. governor jerry brown issued a veto of the budget approved by the democratic lawmakers hours after they passed it. the move opens a rift within his own party and throws his state financial future into a vo toe. the first by a california governor in 90 years. he blamed the republicans. it certainly was, mike barnicle,
you know jerry brown. they weren't allowing a vote on tax increases. this is jerry brown being tough. >> two things, he's hold enough he does not care what opinion polls have to say. >> right. >> as you indicated the first governor in california in 90 years the first to issue a veto. you have to veto legislation. it's why the budget tear problems build up. >> if you read "the new york times" article art what's happening in greece and portugal, you have constituents blaming the government saying how have they put us in this position? they can't cut our benefits. voters are still detached. legislatures are still detached from the reality of this massive
debt crisis we are facing. it's gravity. they are feeling gravity's pull and -- >> and to be fair, just given the unemployment numbers for veterans alone, they are hurting, too. it's not just, usually we went through a fairly materialistic selfish age. i don't think we are there now. i think a lot of people are hurting and don't want more taken away from them. let's go to political. >> willie, can you do it this morning? >> no. i'm saving them, then he can go home. we'll get you a drink. with us now -- that's true. the chief white house correspondent for politico mike allen for morning playbook. we start with the west wing exodus of sorts. what's going on there? >> first, happy friday. >> happy friday! >> this is an amazing change in the culture of this white house.
a number of young people who have been around this president when he was senator are now heading off to make their fortunes. a dozen of them going to harvard alone. business school, law school. others heading out today. there's three young people, one leaving for law school, uc hastings. one going to the london school of economics. she's moving to london. nick, who was the president's personal assistant as a senator, we are told the only person ever to make barack obama drive a car with the university of michigan bumper sticker leaving. it's the people we didn't see, the guy behind the guy behind the guy are heading off. they know if they stay past the summer, they are in for the long haul past the election. this is the chance to head out. the president's personal
secretary, katie johnson did the same function in the campaign. not only did the president and the first lady have a toast for her, the vice president had a private dinner for her. they are young people with a very personal connection to the people who run our country. >> very nice. have a great weekend. >> a fascinating story in politico about george wills comments calling libya a debacle. >> yep. elizabeth warren and what's going on with the consumer protection bureau. it's a mess. coming up, david gregory. the mets find a creative way to lose in what should have been a dramatic extra inning finish. >> oh, that hurts. >> maybe it's why they are screaming. we'll be right back.
health? every time you turn around, something will kill you. have you noticed that? it's getting worse and worse and worse. now, according to a medical survey, sitting, leaving a sed tear life, sitting can be as deadly as smoking. >> get out. get out. >> can you as deadly as smoking. take a look at this announcement. you are going to be stunned. >> new research found that sitting for extended amounts of time presents the same health risks as smoking. in light of this information, new york city's mayor banned sitting outdoors. mayor bloomberg, the king of new york. >> wow. >> okay. did you hear that study, though? >> no. so, willie is watching pbs, as he does, and he stumbles across
newt's pbs station. >> it's called christy, i'm lying. a call-in show with the governor. >> steve is on, huh? >> steve is the host. >> that's nice. so, the governor gets to connect with people. >> it's an hour of e-mails and calls. >> you call the governor and he answers your questions? >> yeah. >> here is the example. >> one example last night on the show, a woman says with hostility in her voice, hey, governor you send your kids to private school, how come they don't go to public school. he turns and says hey, dawn, it's none of your business where my kids go to school. it might be the best show on television. >> oh, this is great. >> can we play it monday. find it, find it. >> christie on the line.
>> in this button down area of politics, there's a reason people like chris christie and jerry brown get elected and will probably survive. by the way, is he at 50%? no but he's in the 40s. it's better than a lot of other governors right now. >> that is funny. >> great stuff. it's a good show. >> none of your business. >> are you going to be okay? oh, power through. look at him. >> he is so strong. >> the u.s. open, a rough start for phil mickelson on his 41st birthday. opening tee shot of the day finds the drink. starts with a double bogey. a beautiful proshot gets him within five feet. he pushes the birdie.
he recovers a little bit to get to 74. afterward, it turned out to be a great day because i played horrific. masters champion, charles schwartzel, remember him? he sinks it here. he shot a three under 68. he is tied for second. the story of the day, though, a 22-year-old rebound after his epic meltdown on sunday at the masters? here is how he rebounded. bounced to the green. spins back within five feet. knocked in for a birdie. he is your first round leader. >> oh, good. >> shot a six under 65. a lot of people wondering if the last day would ruin him. doesn't look like it the way he performed yesterday. >> we'll see on sunday. >> certainly didn't ruin him on thursday. >> no. >> i like the thursday golfers. >> tim pawlenty of the pga. >> we are going to be nice. four days after defeating the
miami heat, fans jammed the streets of dallas. they celebrated the nba title. the players thanked the fans and showed off the trophy. the highlight when dirk left the crowd in singing "we are the champions." ♪ we are the champions ♪ we are the champions ♪ no time for losers ♪ cause we are the champions of the world ♪ >> thank you. >> oh, my. >> that's a tough audio mix. >> he was a tough one. no doubt. get all the music behind him. it went straight to the board. how about some baseball?
>> yes. >> braves at home against the new york mets. >> what a finish. >> chipper jones still getting it done. three-run home run. then in the ninth inning, atlanta down a couple runs. conrad goes deep off francisco. rodriguez comes in to close the door. he did not. extra innings. runner on third. wait, what happened? mets pitcher called for a bonk. the runner on third walks in to win the game before another pitch is thrown. >> that's a long walk from the clubhouse. >> rays beat the mets on a walk-off ball. >> no one is going to ask you for a drink after that. it is not good. >> giants playing the diamondbacks in arizona. this is lame. i hope we can find out who this is.
the ball is tossed to a nice woman sitting in the front row. watch the guy behind her. dives in and steals the ball from her. come on, man. apparently no shame. he wrestles the ball away from the woman and refuses to give it back, even as he was booed. someone in the dugout handed the woman another ball. we need to out that guy. >> a solo home run. d'backs win the game. >> you did a great job. >> yankees won. still a game and a half. >> it's going to be a great race. >> gonna be great. >> red sox are where no one thought they would be after their rough start. >> weiner, come on. >> coming up next, this mornings must read opinion pages, plus willie's weekend review. we'll be back with more "morning
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the white house says there are no hostilities taking place. yet, we have drone attacks under way. we are spending $10 million a day. we are part of an effort to drop bombs on gadhafi's compounds. it doesn't pass a straight face test in my view that we are not in the midst of hostilities. >> welcome back to "morning joe." 43 past the hour.
time for the must read opinion pages that we will tag off the sound byte with the speaker there. libya and the war powers act. this is the papers editorial. these are the same folks eager to play chicken with the debt limit. would they really cut off american support to nato mission. mr. obama doesn't have a choice. he needs to go to congress and make his case, congress then needs to authorize american support for nato's campaign over libya. >> let me read, this is politico. >> yeah. >> the exclusive on george will. the intervention in the civil war, the most -- it was supposed to last days, not weeks. in the fourth month, it's in the fourth month and nato is an increasingly fictitious organization.
nato is increasing strategy and boils down to this, kill gadhafi. then what? more improvieization. it's been described on and on and on. >> what are the other options, though. what should he have done? >> i think the biggest problem is that we never seem to have an end game whether we triple the number of troops in afghanistan or we jump into libya and we hear it's going to take days. this is -- we are about to get into our third full-scale war and it's the united states that always, mike, always thooz carry this on its shoulders. nato? there is no nato. it's the united states of america. it's our money. it's our troops. it's our men and women coming home dead.
there is no nato. >> that is this administration's biggest problem to libya. it's us. we are in the air. we are paying for this. we are trying to get a job done that hasn't been accomplished. it's a huge, huge burden this administration is carrying. i agree with the editorial. the president has to step up and tell us what's going on. we lose our attention span but four months now at a huge cost financially. >> michael, still? >> i go back to the question of what's wrong with the constitution? they say it clearly what the president should do. it states clearly what congress must do when the request is made to engage in military action. the fact that we have had administration after administration since the war powers act of '73 skirt around that reality, go before the american people, lay out your
case. you don't have to say in 60 days this is going to be the result. lay out why we are going, what the objective is and why this is so important in our national interest, whether afghanistan or libya. the realities are the same. you cannot get around the fact if you want to take our troops over seas, you have to get approval of congress. >> i wish the republican party had been as strong and articulate about iraq as they want to be about libya. >> we know the kind of soup i stepped in when i made references to afghanistan that this was a mindless endeavor. we do not have a clear mission here. we have no long or short term game plan. we are putting money down a dark hole and troops are suffering for it. a lot of people have come to that conclusion. peggy noonan hit it out of the
park. a soberness is falling over many in the party realizing we are writing checks. there is no nato. it's the u.s. the reality is, it's our men and women on the front line. we have to account for that. >> part of peggy's piece says this, the title is "republicans return to reality." the problem with afghanistan and iraq, for that matter, is not only after ten years the efforts were inconclusive. we are spending money we don't have for aims we cannot articulate. >> that's it. >> i'm sorry, that's the reality of it. that comes home to roost for everybody right now. at a time of massive weights of deficit and spending. people want to account for those dollars. >> you said where were republicans during iraq and you could say afghanistan as well. i would say things were
dramatically different then than they are now. we had a massive failure in 2002 leading up to the iraq war. the question as we set around this table, we found out there are no wmds there, why not bring the troops home? what's fascinating to me is to see where the republican party goes with foreign policy? does it go the way of lindsey graham and john mccain or the way those of us that believe as the republican party has long believed until the last ten years to show restraint in foreign policy. you don't go in unless you follow the advice of colin powe powell. >> these engagements raise the question. willie's weekend review. can you do it? >> it was tracked last night before that happened. >> that's next.
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>> at number three, is this thing on? >> dalai lama walks into a pizza shop. pizza. yes, pizza. >> the host of a morning show tried to tell a dalai lama joke to the dalai lama. >> with the crickets chirping, the dalai lama blessed the comedian with a mercy laugh. >> i knew it wouldn't work. >> yes, the tv host got a chuckle from his holiness. >> hey, how about a little something, you know, for the emperor. >> number two, chess under fire. with nato bombs falling around him, moammar gadhafi was the
picture of imbalanced cool this week inviting the president of the world chess federation to his compound for a quiet afternoon around the board. wearing dark sunglasses and an off-the-shoulder number for the match, he seemed oblivious to the barbarians at his gate. >> the number one story. >> today, i'm announcing the resignation to congress. >> the anthony weiner story. we cracked open the story of the 2012 presidential campaign. >> president obama is a one-term president. >> the republican field gathered in new hampshire to talk about the economy, the wars but mostly about their favorite bar foods and late night hosts.
>> leno or conan? >> neither, probably leno, but i don't watch either. >> deep dish or thin crust? >> deep dish. >> spicy or mild? >> spicy. >> a main challenger was less spicy when backing up an attack a day earlier. >> president obama said he designed health care over romney care, making it obamney care. >> your rival is standing there. if it was obamney care on fox news sunday, why is it not standing with the governor there? >> jon huntsman let slip that he will enter the race, then a video implying it's a motorcycle rally through monument valley. the next one in the republican pool might be this guy. >> it may work good for gym socks, but it don't work for
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i was wondering why you think it's fair to cut school funding to public schools. >> what is her name? >> gayle. talk to gayle. >> it's none of your business. i don't ask you where you send your kids to school. i pay $38,000 in taxes for public schools that we don't utilize. we believe, we have decided as parents we believe a religious education should be part of our children's education. third, i, as governor, am responsible for every child in this state, not just my own. the decisions i make are to improve the educational opportunities. with all due respect, it's none of your business. >> okay. all right. >> all righty, then. there you go, gayle. >> holy cow. >> wow. >> that's the way to do it. >> nice guy. nice guy.
>> i'm glad we found that. >> willie saw that on pbs. >> it's amazing. welcome back. mike barnicle and michael steele are still with us. joining the table, the director of the earth institute, jeffrey sachs. >> i have seen a lot of politicians take calls, i have never seen anything like that. >> yeah. no pretense. no fear. >> yeah. >> he wants to send his kids to parochial school, it's none of your business. none of your business. get off my lawn! >> i'm paying taxes. >> i don't like their fence. >> none of your business. >> we have so much to talk to you about. >> i know. >> i want to start, front page of the new york times. >> awe stairty and markets feel
the wrath. there's a connection. you can go from greece to california where jerry brown is saying the state assembly, you don't get it. you are still playing gimmicks. i read this story in the new york times and i understand people are hurting in greece. it's a terrible situation. you have people on the streets blaming the politicians. not understanding why they can't keep getting all the benefits they are getting. at some point, government is run out of money. at some point, they have to be fiscally responsible. whether it's people in greece or the legislatures in california, i don't think people have awakened to that reality. >> i think that's right. greece is what happens when you go on this way for a decade. we have been going on this way for many years now. we are going to run out of this any space we have of our credit worthiness and the crisis is
terrible. the whole world economy right now is slowing down because of crisis in the u.s. you have crisis in europe. you have inflation throughout the world. it's causing asia to slow down. i's a world without leadership and a world the second our debt is gdp, suddenly, it's a vicious cycle. we are spending money to pay off money we have already borrowed. from that point, you can get down to where greece is pretty quick. >> we are already in a slowdown because the stimulus approach was the wrong idea. it didn't work. it added massive debt to already
a bad situation. we don't have a way out right now because we don't have clear plans. we don't have the president coming forward with clear plans. we have unrealistic views throughout congress, in both parties, actually. >> that's the story of western government crumbling under the weight of debt. you just got back from china. a totally different story. >> china continues to boom. they really are going to be the worlds largest economy at this rate within a decade. >> tell us, your general overview. you said off air, it's remarkable. what's happening? >> i have been going to china for 30 years. the first time i went was basically bicycles in the streets and people wearing suits. now, you have 100 cities in china of a million people or more. the largest urban network in the world.
the largest internet users in the world. you have fancy shops everywhere. each visit i take, every few months, new subway systems, new inner city rapid rail. they are building infrastructure. the airport i went through yesterday, unbelievable. you come back to kennedy airport from china, it's 15 years out of date. >> i cannot believe you just said that. we came back from l.a. and sat on that, what is that? it's been there 20 or 30 years. >> you are sitting in traffic. you look around. it is -- >> saturday afternoon. >> it is crumbling infrastructure. saturday afternoon, nobody on long island moving. i said to mika, we are cutting infrastructure. china is so far ahead of us in infrastructure. what they are doing with
airports, roads, trains. >> i was going to the gate, my colleague said i'll meet you there. i have to look at the airport. it's a tourist attraction in and among itself. the infrastructure, everywhere the train that is going to the airport from shang high or what's about to hope this month which is four and a half hours from beijing to shanghai. we can't get this in the northeast quarter of the united states. >> we were just talking, also, about to get from jfk into new york city. a lot of times on a weekend is an hour and a half. you are sitting in a parking lot. you can't get a fast train from a terminal to midtown manhattan. they are not small things. we are not talking bells and
whistles. we are talking the arteries of a country's business. whether high speed internet and we are slower than most developed countries. whether talking roads. whether talking trains. whether you are talking infrastructure. we say it here every day, you can talk about cutting the budget deficit, that's fine. we have to do that. you don't cut infrastructure or education. it's what we have been doing for years. >> the maximum attention span we have in this country is two years to the next election. generally, it's less than that. you can't go on this way, if the plans have a maximum length of a few months. when the stimulus was done, what was the mantra. you don't build a 20th century infrastructure with shovels. this is what we failed to
understand in the beginning. it's why the similar lus was gimmicks, not a plan for recovery. >> i want to say, michael steele, i'm a government conservative. as dr. sachs and i said, there are people on the right saying you are spending too much money and people on the left saying you are not spending enough. nobody focused on the bigger question, what were we spending the money on? there are investments where you get dwight eisenhower in the '50s invested in infrastructure. it paid us back a billion times over. >> you have to look at the way our economy is structured. it's not just one piece of it. there are a lot of subparts. there's a reason why that construction sight on the jfk has been sitting there for 100 years. >> why? >> you have unions, the government, other institutions. you have invested interests who
want a piece of that. the question to you, doc, that's great at the macro level, but what is the private economy? after all, this is still a communist country, a government centralized economy, effectively. what is that private economy looking like as you look at gdp and the private consumption to that? how is that fair? >> china is a booming economy. it's the world's largest trading economy now. it's the largest trading partner of every country we used to be. the largest partner. i met with the chairman of one of china's largest banks yesterday. he came back from chile. i was in chile a couple months ago. chile has china as the largest trading partner. unbelievable. you think of america as our part
of the world, not that we own it, but we are the natural trading partner, no more. this fellow who is head of a giant bank is doing huge investments in chile, connecting the economy. we are out of the game right now. >> while we fight wars. china has been investing. we are spending $2 billion a week in afghanistan. >> you don't find an american business person in china. it's unbelievable. there are some europeans. asians, it's booming there. it's the weird part for me. >> mike. >> the chinese have a huge advantage here. they can do what chris christie did to gayle. we are going to put high speed rail through your property and you say nothing. >> good point. >> since we know that, we have to take that seriously and
create a new way to do things. >> we can't. >> it's what leadership would be about. >> we talk about it. in our political/economic system compared to a methadone. we are addicts. >> i agree with that. i don't think it has to be that way. >> how do you get that addict off that government crack? how do you do that? >> my advice was in the first weeks of an administration that had the public backing, both houses of congress don't do another quick fix of a stimulus bill that was throwing lots of money in a haphazard way in shovel ready projects. that was the time to leave. don't waste a crisis. really get out of the mess. >> what is the monthly bill for afghanistan? >> the weekly bill is $2 billion a week. $10 billion a month. add iraq on to it.
ad lib ya on to it. there's no such thing as nato. it's all on our shoulders. but, let's talk about this stimulus plan because a lot of times people, dr. sachs will say america is ungovernable. yet, you were saying from the first week of this administration you said let's not create another bubble. let's go about this systematically and in an intelligent way where we are investing in america's future. the president could have done that. he could have stepped back and said we are not going to do it this week. instead, it was a comedy. they threw it to nancy pelosi in congress. they cobbled together pet bills from individual congressmen and senators, then voted on it. this is surreal. they voted on it without even reading it. no member of the house or senate
read this stimulus package that was supposed to bring america into the 21st century, get america going. biggest spending bill ever. you don't have to take them out back and shoot them, if they don't agree with you. you can make a bill members of congress read before passing it. they didn't do it. it was a lack of leadership on their part in january, 2009 and we are still paying for it. >> the president got lousy economic advice. larry somers and others panicked. they said we are going to go into a depression. i think it was a wrong diagnosis. they said we have to throw $1 trillion at the problem. i said if you do that, it's going to be the last money you spend systematically because you are going to give the impression
you are throwing money anywhere without taking it seriously. the political fall out, sadly, that we suffer today, i'm in favor of more government spending in certain areas, but not in a reckless and haphazard way and systematically. >> we could spend another trillion dollars until after the elections. then the president gets together. they spend another $1 trillion in tax cuts. again, generalized tax cuts. they took it on the supply side two years later. again, nothing systematic. it was about panicking. the white house panicked as well. some people are telling us behind the scenes we have to do this and get the economy started again. >> it's four years. >> now, they are on an election cycle. the opportunity. yeah. missed.
>> i'm wondering, is anybody thinking longer term in this country right now? >> no. >> anybody? >> no. >> short $15 trillion economy. you can't compete and make it in the 21st century, if you don't think ahead. >> one of the most shocking things you have said in this disturbing 15 minutes, international business conference with world leaders and there's not an american businessman or woman at the table. >> i can't say there wasn't one, but they are making no presence. in general. >> this is a general matter that our presence isn't felt. most of the time, people are saying what's going on in america. it's a major topic of discussion. >> coming up, mark warner will join us as well as eugene robinson. up next, the top political stories. david gregory, we'll be right back.
i should have been much more clear during the debate, sean. i don't think we can have a nominee that was involved in the development and construction of obama care and continues to defend it. that was the question. i should have answered it directly. instead, i stay focused on obama. the question related to the contrast with governor romney. i should have been more clear. i should have made the point of being involved in developing it. he continues to this day to defend it. >> it's interesting. he was talking china. >> sure. >> look at the republican debate. everybody is obsessed with obama care. it's what they talk about. this is the big test. the fact is, i'm not saying it's a nonissue, but everybody knows we have to reform health care again. the cost exploded.
you talk about wasting a president's political capital. the president wasted it, forget ideology. it didn't do anything. it didn't curb costs. >> we have the most expensive system in the world. it's what the president went along with. we are stuck with it. >> yeah, it's a picture of where we are now. it could explain the latest gallop poll. the moderator of "meet the press" is with us, david gregory. good morning. >> good morning. the president against an unnamed republican. the unnamed republican at 44%. >> the only problem, you attach a name and the numbers shift. >> thank god for that. >> that's what our poll found. put mitt romney in there and president obama comes ahead.
ultimately, these are choices not just referendums. what struck me is the other night's debate was making it a referendum about obama. they were focused on attacking obama, then they reserve fox news air space for going after the other candidate. it's striking. >> i don't get that. this pawlenty thing, i know you want to let go a little bit. my god. >> it's the first debate. there are so many of these debates, david gregory. what was your take on the republican field? >> you know, mitt romney came out of the first debate looking good. unscathed. warrants the top polling. michele bachmann used the forum well, made headlines and came across as more reasonable than perhaps her other views she's talked about before like the president having anti-american
views and being part of a gangster environment. i think pawlenty, with a misstep is still raising questions about how closely he can draft romney. how close can he stay? how much money can he raise? the kind of range he's going to have to show. >> we are heading toward a showdown over the war in libya. how is the president going to respond to the challenges from john boehner and republicans saying if you want to go to war, come to us and we'll give you approval? >> it's interesting. it's not just the republicans, as you know. some democrats are saying the same thing in much more polite terms. we agree with your approach to the war, but we want say. it's an age-old fight about what the president can do. there's a kind of warfare waged in libya and pakistan that this administration wants to keep
within the executive branch. i think this is much more a fight, honestly, about the president's view of foreign policy and where republicans disagree. where you can be kind of sort of at war in a kind of keeping it in the bleachers posture for the united states. >> jeffry sachs, we are exhausting ourselves in afghanistan, in iraq. two wars we began because we believed that american security was at risk. when one of those, we were as wrong as we could be. now, we are fighting wars in libya because we don't want a bad guy to retake control of this country. >> and in yemen. we have a not secret war in yemen. >> and pakistan. it goes back. it is connected to the fact that china is making allies across the world economically, preparing to dominate and we are dropping bombs, fighting wars
and spending trillions. >> the libyan thing was a bad miscalculation. the bad idea is when tunisia has their democratic ref pollutions that gadhafi was going to fall when the rebellion started. it was nothing like that. we are in a full-scale air war and their approach right now, which is pretty shocking is to try to drop a bomb on his head. they are trying to murder him, if they could do that. they don't have a strategy. to do it without ground troops isn't going to work. they thought what happened in egypt was going to happen in libya so it would be a very small step. instead, as usual, regime change in an arab country, again.
>> again. >> how many times. >> third war in the past decade against a muslim country. >> also explicitly for regime change. the first was to protect civilians. then they said that means gadhafi is gone. i have no brief for gadhafi, but we have learned again and again this open-ended nonstrategy is unbelievably costly. >> and dangerous. george wills said this morning, politico's reporting, we don't know what's next. what's next after gadhafi? gadhafi may be right. we may be siding with al qaeda. >> we have no idea. we have no idea about the sustainability of libyan rebels or how they organize. as many questions as we have and what it looks like, it's much
more tribal still within the throws of revolution. i have talked to republicans who say look at the president's brief on foreign policy. if afghanistan doesn't look better, he goes into an election year with that problem. if gadhafi stays in power, he's going to have to be accountable for it. the longer he stays in power. we have major contributions. this ongoing fight about what is our foreign policy, exactly. who calls the shots and how without congress' approval. >> that should be an interesting debate as the republicans vie for the nomination. >> david raises an interesting question. david, who plays -- how does this get played out? what is the dominant issue? weiner is off the front page of
the papers. is it the economy? where are the american people going to land now? unemployment is a major concern. all of a sudden this bubble emerges with respect to what we are doing in the middle east. how do you see it being played out in the short term, at least. >> if you look at how republicans are positioning themselves, it's about the role of government here at home. yes, there's an extension to the role of government overseas. what's interesting about this fight in the future of afghanistan, aside of lindsey graham and john mccain and joe lieberman, an independent, there is deep anxiety about how much of a commitment we have overseas. focus on unemployment, housing, american's pessimism. in republicans minds, a referendum on obama.
a different vision of government. that's where the focus has to be. >> off david's answer, no matter where you go, prince gorge's keown si or boston, whatever. the lingering questions have less to do with the candidates than the questions people ask themselves every day. what are we doing and where are we going? those are the two big issues. >> david thank you very much. who do you have on "meet the press" sunday? >> senators graham and durbin on the political round table. >> senator graham. all right. see if he wants to invade lexingburg. >> coming up, mark warner will be with us. the secret spy war with china. a new book reveals how chinese agents have the higher government.
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for you. u.s. counterterrorism officials are reacting to al qaeda's new number one. as "the new york times" reports, some of the officials are now indicating the selection of him may weaken the terrorist organization. during his final press briefing as defense secretary, robert gates said the al qaeda chief serves as a sign the al qaeda group is still a big threat. >> be mindful this announcement by al qaeda reminds us having suffered a huge loss with the killing of bin laden and the number of others, al qaeda seeks to perpetuate itself, seeks to find replacements for those who have been killed and remains committed to the agenda that bin laden put before them. >> your take on what this means? >> he is brilliant.
he is ruthless. but he's not beloved in al qaeda. i suspect it's not going help him out. jeffrey sachs, the truth is the world passed al qaeda by. if you look at him, he got into terrorist business at 15 because he wanted to overthrow egypt. he thought terrorism was the only way to do it. young people in the streets did what his bombs and terror networks could never do. >> the revolution is in egypt. tunisia had nothing to do with al qaeda and nothing to do with this. whether we find a different foreign policy or this is our question. the return on investment of our global war on terror after $3 trillion and being meshed in wars all across north africa
into central asia. this has been a disaster for us. we had the wrong strategy. what's amazing is the continuity between the bush mistakes and obama mistakes. i's not about one party or another. it's continuity of blunders. >> this will be shocking to the people that hear these words. i guarantee you, 50 years from now, people are going to look at bush's and obama's foreign policy and they are going to look at bush and obama's fiscal policy and they are going to see an overlay. they are going to ask now why is it the right hated obama and the left hated bush so much? because, again, the transition has been seamless on spending, on warfare, on the war on terror. it is stunning. i promise you, decades will
show, there are huge stylistic differences. when it comes to actual policy, very little difference. >> that's because the vested interests in the lobbies are the same. both political parties are drawing from the same campaign contributions. the underlying structure is unchanged no matter who is in policy. >> look at the policies and spending programs and the tax cuts. look at the bailouts. look at the wars. this is a bush-obama decade. >> you just talked through my story on soda. >> i'm so sorry. >> congratulations. >> i would have never done that purposely. >> he calls the senate's gang of six the hope to reduce the nation's deficit. it's the gang of five now. senator mark warner. [ male announcer ] this...is the network --
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where is the realization that we have to create an environment where small business people and entrepreneurs are going to take risk? economic growth is not a government program. it's time this administration realizes they should join us. >> 41 past the hour. joining us now, democratic senator from virginia and member of the senate budget committee, senator mark warner. >> we are not talking top chef. >> no, we are not. one thing you do, we'll forgive you for that, is you tell the truth about the debt. i have been shocked that you and some republicans and democrats are obsessed on trying to bring
about a deal. how are you doing? >> otherwise, we are like thelma and louise in the car, foot on the accelerator, racing to the cliff. we have used monetary policy. we have used bail out. we are headed to the most predictable crash ever. it costs more for the united states. higher chance of the united states defaulting than mexico, the philippines, panama. we are the worst credit risk at this point. not only folks in washington but folks in the business community are saying they are going to get through it. >> exactly. that's international hope at this point, isn't it? >> it is. i wish the vice president all the luck in the world. if it comes up with a $1 trillion or $2 trillion in
discretionary spending, it's not going to get us through this. >> when did tom coburn leave? >> i was disappointed he left. we have a plan, it's not perfect. reduces the gdp to below 2.5%. it says you have to do it on both sides. you have to take on entitlements and revenues. >> talking revenues, i thought maybe he backed down because he was getting too much heat. but just a couple days ago, he said that was the past? it's not like he's saying things ruffling the feathers. >> he's saying the right things. i would rather have him inside the tent than outside the tent. we have been talking to 25 other senators who said hey, guys. that a boy. hang in there. the problem is, we have to get our plan out.
we have to let you all take a shot at it and let opponents take a shot at it. the alternative is we are looking at an august deadline with a spike that would completely halt in its tracks. >> inside the gang of six or five, what are the biggest points of contention. what leads to the longest conversation that brings you into the night without a solution? >> we are down to the last few points. there's ways we talk about revenues, the way we are dealing with revenues are not raising taxes. we are going back to the reagan approach, lowering tax rates and getting rid of the tax exemptions. 70% of americans don't itemize at all. >> you are talking lowering tax rates. because we talk about it all the time, ge pays zero percent. warren buffett pays 14%. the average millionaire pays
18%. >> the goal is to end up with corporate and individual top rates in the high 20s. that's great -- >> more revenue to the government. >> absolutely. >> you have to bring in more revenue to the government. >> it doesn't take a bright guy to realize when you are spending at all time high, revenues are at a 60-year low, it can't be maintained. >> jeffrey sachs, shaking his head. >> tax rates could be 95% and if warren buffett is paying 14% and ge zero and millionaires 18%, that number you attach is just a feel good number. it doesn't mean anything. >> i'm worried about two things. why is it done behind closed doors? if you are talking something
fundmental for the country, why is it open. where is the open debate? that's my first concern. second, there's no way we are going to raise enough revenues by cutting tax rates no matter what you do on the loophole side. i'm in favor of eliminating loob holes, you know that. the idea that that's going to lower top tax rates at a time we have the greatest inequality of income in this country's history strikes me as wrong and explosive. >> put out a frame. roughly $3 in cuts. $1 of the cuts is savings at $1 revenue. it's what we are looking at. at $4.5 trillion, the greatest job we can do is get that on america's corporate balance sheets. you are the doc, you are the economist. any analysis i have seen, 70% of
americans don't identityize. if you lower rates and you take on -- we are taking on. >> we cannot afford to lower rates at the top. it's outrageous. these billionaires and multimillionaires have gotten away with the biggest increase in wealth in the history of this country, in the history of the world since 1980. what are we talking about? are they so fragile, so desperate we need to get the billionaires top rates down? it's outrageous. >> we are making sure they are paying. >> make sure? go after them. that's what's ridiculous. we have to beg them to pay their taxes? >> and we are looking at phase one right now of why a deal, which will get attacked from the left because it won't be 50/50 revenues to cuts. at the same time, other folks say, i can't believe they are talking revenues at all. you can't deal with the problem at all. >> wow. >> what is the ratio you believe
will draw in enough? is it three to one, two to one? >> three to one. a dollar of that three is mostly savings from interest. call it three to one, two to one. i think the framework they laid out can actually get bipartisan support. what we have put into place to make sure if there is -- we put the caps in place. they actually get enforced. you were in congress. people make broad statements about budgets. they never get enforced. >> never. >> michael. >> i want to bring it closer to home. the reality right now, this is a nice conversation about deficits, budgets and cuts. people don't have jobs. the bottom line is jobs. when you look at the states and the what individual states are prepared to do to create the jobs, that's where the action is. how do you see this thing evolving, given what you are doing and what you know, how does this begin to play out in
terms of creating a manufacturing base to begin to put people back to work in michigan, maryland and virginia. you have taken the lead in virginia to bringing manufacturing back to your state in a powerful way. we watched in maryland manufacturing go from 34% to 7% in the economy. how do we turn it around for people to go out and get to work? people are going to generate enough real cash out there -- >> i think there are things we can do around infrastructure investment bank. that used to be competitive for this country. now, it's a competitive disadvantage. whether road, water, energy products. i have a little bill. it's not going to be a huge silver bullet that incentivizes jobs that have gone abroad. i'm doing it for a congressman from northern virginia.
it would add a federal match on top to state and local efforts. if you are bringing back more than 50 technology or manufacturing jobs. i can compete against new york. korea is different. at the end of the used fiscal stimulus, we've used driving down interest rates of monetary policy. unless we can get that $2.5 trillion in cash sitting on corporate balance sheets, back invested in this country, everything else we're doing is around the edges. the only way we're going to do that is give predictability that we've got a nation's balance sheet that's actually in the plaque. >> all right. senator mark warner. >> that last part i definitely agree with. but get this plan out so that we can look at it. >> amen. amen. >> simpson-bowles is filled with gimmicks. i've read that top to bottom, done the numbers. it is absolutely not what you're saying. you can't invest with simpson-bowles. you cut infrastructure, you cut research and development, you cut science, you cut education. that doesn't work. let's get your plan out there, then we'll take a look at it.
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anthony weiner went on national television day after day to present the wrong version of the story -- you know, to tell -- to try and fabricate an entire other reality, only made his problems a lot worse. >> all right, congressman. on 8:19 p.m. of june 16th, the last word is officially moving on from the anthony weiner story. good morning, it's 8:00 on the east coast, as you take a live look at new york city. happy friday, everybody. >> happy friday. >> back with us on set, mike barnicle and michael steele. >> so can we -- >> yeah, let's get through this. >> do we have to read this story? >> there are a couple things. >> the whole thing was so sleazy, even the way it ended was so sleazy. >> it was. an aide to andrew co-mow says an election to fill the seat of
anthony weiner after he stepped down yesterday with a bizarre four-minute news conference fighting off a heckler from the howard stern show. the new york congressman announced his resignation a week and a half after admitting he sent lewd messages and photos of himself to women online. >> i'm here today to apologize for the personal mistakes i have made and the embarrassment i have caused. i make this apology to my neighbors and my constituents, but i make it particularly to my wife huma. i had hoped to be able to continue the work that the citizens of my district elected me to do, to fight for the middle class and those struggling to make it. unfortunately, the distraction that i have created has made that impossible. so today i am announcing my resignation from congress. >> a little known fact here -- all i'm going to say -- i didn't want to out him -- but i've got
to out him. >> what are you doing? >> there's a good reason willie geist lost his voice. >> oh. oh. that's pretty good. >> you know what? we had an agreement. >> as this scandal has shown -- >> stop. that's funny, but stop. >> photos will surface, willie. and photos of you screaming out those questions -- >> i told you that on the condition of anonymity. you outed me. >> stop. okay. >> unfortunately -- unfortunately, i don't know what that word means. >> that's funny. but now let's move on. now let's take the opportunity to be different. >> i can ask joe one question? >> no. >> would you have held that press conference in the first place and given the opportunity for a bigger circus? >> certainly if i were a new york congressman or congresswoman and would have seen what a madhouse the last statement was, i sure as hell would have check for credentials at the door. no doubt. i mean it's different than being in northwest florida, or in
iowa. but when you're in new york, you better -- mr. chairman, you better control that. >> well, i thought the whole thing was surreal from the very beginning but more importantly i thought yesterday shouldn't have happened. he should have just issued a statement, saved himself the embarrassment. >> but doesn't he owe it to the people that supported you? that's what i was wondering. >> when you have stood before them and lied so boldly and so forcefully for so long, at that point, owing them something, you've already thrown that away. so the reality of it is, issue the statement, close your office down, and sneak into that goodnight as a soldier should. >> that's a very good point. house leader nancy pelosi welcome weiner's decision in a statement saying, "congressman weiner exercised poor judgment in his actions and poor judgment in his reaction to the revelations. today he made the right judgment in resigning." meanwhile, president obama expressed optimism about weiner's future in an interview with abc news. >> i wish representative weiner
and his lovely wife well. you know, obviously it's been a tough incident for him, but i'm confident that they'll refocus and he'll refocus and they'll end up being able to bounce back. >> this congressional seat representing queens and brooklyn may actually not exist in 19 months with new york slated to lose two house seats in 2013 due to population shifts. lawmakers usually pick districts that have no incumbent to carve up. >> you know, at the end mike barnicle, the parallel here -- because we didn't cover this an awful lot. made a lot of people on the right mad. just like we've made a lot of people on the left mad for not wallowing in the ensign or vitter stuff. but you can draw comparisons. and the political import of this -- forget all the sleaziness, it is a fact that democratic -- a lot of people are upset with nabcy pelosi and
the democrats for doing what they did. but they've got a chance to take the house back. and the best parallel of this was mark foley, when mark got in trouble. the republican party, after botching it terribly, worked aggressively to throw him overboard because it was getting in the way of them controlling congress. that's what happened here. that's the political story here. the democrats had to move quickly on anthony weiner to get him out so they could keep this subject line as medicare as not sex pictures. >> well, i mean the democrats had a pretty good story line going after new york 26 and anthony wiener knocked it right off the trolley tracks for now going on two weeks. but i have to tell you, just this morning as you were doing the news, all i can think of is his wife. he's now off my screen. he's gone. but his poor wife.
i know that phrase is trite, i understand that, but imagine what a nightmare her life must have been and must be. >> what it is this morning. >> i love the fact that she did not stand by her man, that she was nowhere to be found. you walked into this mess by yourself, you're walking out of it by yourself. and she's focusing now on herself and her baby and i'm sure that they'll work through what they need to work through but i think you're exactly right, that's where a lot of people's hearts and minds are. >> there's no excuse obviously for what happened. i obviously think there's no excuse for the way some members in the media were at the news conference. >> screaming from the back -- it was mass chaos. >> but we were talking before the show, michael, just about what happens to men and women when they go to washington and they get immediate power. >> joe can tell you, it is a rarefied air. if you breathe too deeply, you will suffocate from it. i think you see that.
a lot of people forget that these individuals are flawed. they're like the rest of us. they are attracted and follow things that sometimes maybe they shouldn't. and it gets them into trouble. but the thing about washington is, there is this cultural mindset that says cover it up, fix it, hide it, don't tell anybody. if he had just come to the fore and said, look, my bad, i did this. and moved from there as opposed to saying i don't know who that is, there's no controlling authority, you know, there you are. but that's the washington mindset. >> all right, moving on. some key candidates and gop members kicking off the republican leadership conference last night in new orleans. newt gingrich was the first presidential candidate to address the crowd coming out to the sounds of journey's "don't stop believing." gingrich then used his speech to attack president obama. >> this is the core of my argument with barack obama. he is a natural secular european
socialist. he believes in big government, he believes in centralized power, he believes he is a politician, knows more than we do and he should help us redesign our lives by letting him and his bureaucrats live the force. it is the opposite of freedom. >> do we need to discuss? okay, no. jon huntsman -- >> i will tell you, just if you scored at home, kids, barack obama -- and this sort of mushy progressive but moderate extending bush tax cuts and tripling the number of troops in afghanistan, that is not left wing marxism or socialism. that is not the opposite of freedom. the opposite of freedom would be -- oh, i don't know -- gadhafi. that's the opposite of freedom. now that we clarified that. >> thank you! you can finish your morning bun now. here, just keep eating it. >> calling kathleen sebelius
"darling," saying barack obama is the opposite of freedom, you can go ahead. i think we've clarified. why can't you just say, i disagree with his viewpoints! instead of bringing up stallen and hitler and saying he's the opposite of freedom. gadhafi is the opposite of freedom. al qaeda is the opposite of freedom. >> i think people are smart enough to know this. why does he keep saying stupid things like that? >> because that's who he is, clearly. to me though, the interesting thing about that clip -- and it's one of many that we have of newt gingrich souning pr insoun much the same. he doesn't sound as if he's running for president as much as he sounds like he's trying to be sean hannity's fill-in host during the summer months that sean takes off.
in new hampshire right out of the box he's wagging his finger and lecturing the crowd in new hampshire at the debate about we have to win the special elections for the house and we have to win the senate elections, that's the way it works, we get the majorities -- people eyes are glazing over. >> but that's the professor in newt. i think a lot of that has come out in the past. >> where is he a professor, by the way? >> in his mind? >> was it tulane? >> yes. georgia. >> georgia state? i don't know. >> this is too much. just you eat, you're good. >> it is the opposite of freedom. jon huntsman was also slated to speak at the event just days before the official roll-out his presidential campaign but sources close to huntsman say the former utah govern ler to cancel due to a cold. instead, his wife and daughters are expected to attend and meet with supporters. two other notable 2012 contenders, tim pawlenty and mitt romney. also no-show at the conference.
pawlenty's absent comes as the former minnesota governor faces questions about his obamney care comment, the one on sunday in which he lumped mitt romney with president obama for their health care plans. he was hesitant to address the issue at the gop debate on monday, but yesterday pawlenty admitted he made a mistake by not confronting romney at the debate. in a tweet. oh, boy. you know? >> what did he tweet? >> this is just not -- it's not really confronting the issue, but he wrote this -- on seizing debate opportunity re health care, me 0, mitt 1. on doing health care reform the right way as governor, me 1, mitt 0. >> all right, that works. i like tim pawlenty. >> no, that doesn't work. >> let's just cut him some slack. it was one screw-up in one debate. how many days -- >> but joe, you don't want to
jump up and down about it but it fundamentally says something about how aggressive you're prepared to be to run for this office, both in the primary and most especially against the president of the united states. i said as chairman of the rnc and i'll say it again, that this is not going to be an easy walk for republicans. i don't care what the economy is a year from now. we need to fundamentally understand that this organization is deep, it is wide, it is ferocious, and the democrats are hungry and we've seem to have forgotten since november of 2010 what that hunger is about and what it's like. i think pawlenty lost a good moment there in that debate. >> i just don't understand why he can only talk about this when he's talking to his fox audience. i mean i'm serious. it just -- i joked about it the other day. >> when is this? >> last night pawlenty continued to address dodging the obamney care issue on fox. >> i should have been much more clear during the debate, sean. i don't think we can have a nominee that was involved in the development and construction of
obama care. the question really related to the contrats with govest with g romney and i should have been more clear and made the point he was involved in developing it, he really laid the groundwork for obama care and continues to this day to defend it. >> mika, there are going to be 87 debates. he's got 86 more chances. >> okay. >> all right? is that okay? >> i'm good. >> quit kicking him around. >> oh, please! you and newt gingrich. seriously? that was like red meat on the set. ridiculous. >> willie? do you need to go home? >> no, i'm good. >> you know who i'm feeling sorry for this morning? we talk about pawlenty. i mean mitt romney. >> why? >> well, the guy is unemployed. right? he's got a campaign -- >> but that way he can connect with america. >> he's unemployed? >> yeah. >> he told americans he was
unemployed. >> he did. he did. >> don't do that if you're worth hundreds of millions of dollars. don't do it. >> that i would call a gaffe. >> willie, if you're worth $100 million and you're trying to relate to -- >> don't do that. >> -- the kids, are you going to call yourself unemployed? >> i'm giving him a pass. he's telling a joke. >> all right. maybe we weren't there. let's look and -- okay. dl thank you, godfather. >> well, maybe i should tell my story. i'm also unemployed. and i'm networking. >> what's the context of that? >> it's a joke. he was joking. he was having fun. >> as a joke. >> yeah. give him some slack. >> okay, we'll give him some slack. we'll give t. paw some slack. >> t. paw? >> t. paw and romney some slack.
newt -- no, i'm not going to give newt. he called barack obama the opposite of freedom, i'm going to have to call you on it because that's just stupid. >> rhetorical flourish. that's all. >> rhetorical vomiting. and kathleen sebelius is stalin. islam is naziism. just talk! tell people in bucks county, pennsylvania how they're going to get their jobs back. tell people in the i-4 corridor something they don't know. come on. tell people how they're going to get back to work. these are cheap shots. these are -- it's like -- it's the political version of a pie in the face. just stop and tell people how you're going to get them back to work. stop with the stupid stalin comparisons. >> okay. you think he's heard you. >> no, he's been doing it for 20 years! god, when is he going to stop! >> some people can't be fixed. >> just tell people what to know
about how we're going to get back -- you can get people back to work without like bringing up hitler every three -- socialist machine that's going to chew up jesus and suck it up the american flag. >> i think you should focus your listening on jon huntsman and mitt romney. you'll feel better. >> we have so doomed jon huntsman here on "morning joe." it's over. it's over. >> no, he's going -- >> it's over. we've been too nice to him. he's done. ahead this morning, "the washington post" eugene robinson joins us. also for decades, americans obsessed over the threat of soviet espionage. but little is known about our secret spy war with china. now a new book reveals how chinese agents penetrated our highest levels of government. that's just ahead. but first, let's go to bill karins with a check on the weekend forecast. bill. >> good morning, mika.
let's get to your weekend forecast. today we're going to start off with some showers and thunderstorms through new england, also in tennessee. this afternoon, typical afternoon showers. don't think we're going to get rain out anywhere. from kansas city to st. louis, chicago, minneapolis, that's where you could see a strong storm. as we go into your weekend forecast, those strong storms are going to be in the ohio valley, back up through areas of minnesota, wisconsin, also a new system comes through the northwest just with light rain. florida, you'll have typical afternoon showers an storms. father's day, some strong storms likely once again in the ohio valley, also unfortunately again some rain likely, maybe some thunderstorms in the mid-atlantic around d.c. and philadelphia especially. you're watching "morning joe." have a great weekend, everyone. we're brewed by starbucks. ♪ ♪ hey, dad, you think i could drive?
you don't send your children to public schools, you send them to private schools, so i was wondering why you think it's fair to be cutting school funding to public schools. >> what's her name? >> gail. talk to gail. >> gail, first off, it's none of your business. i don't ask you where you send your kids to school. don't bother me about where i send mine. secondly, i pay $38,000 a year in property taxes for a public school system predominantly that my wife and i don't choose to utilize because we believe, we've decided, as parents, that we believe a religious education should be part of our children's every day education. so we send our children to parochial school. third, i as governor am responsible for every child in this state. not just my own.
and the decisions that i make are to try to improve the educational opportunities of every child in this state. so with all due respect, gail, it is none of your business. >> well now! welcome back to "morning joe." joining us now from washington, pulitzer prize winning columnist and associate editor of the washingt"washington post" and m political analyst, eugene robinson. >> not exactly your standard call-in question an answer deal. >> no. no, no, no. i could tell you what i think of it, joe, but it's none of your business, frankly. >> amazing! >> love it! >> i have never heard that. never heard it. there are other ways to not answer the question, but that's -- that's an interesting approach. >> and it was so smart the way he we have had in exactly where his kids are going, why they chose the school that they chose. you have a problem with religion? >> exactly. so what did you write about today in the "washington post"?
>> oh, no, i think i know. >> oh, you know. it's mika's favorite story! it's anthony weiner. and his departure and how it was kind of preordained from the beginning, i think, when that first underwear shot came out. and there's a moral to the story which is that if you are a congressman and if you're going to exchange racy e-mails with a porn star, then you will end up as the subject of a press conference called by gloria allred, it is going to happen. >> my goodness. is there a follow-up there? is there anything else you'd like to say about this story, gene? >> you know, i think we've said it. >> so you can catch gene robinson in the washingtonpost.com, his article on anthony. that's where we'll leave it. we've been talking today about wars. we've got a war obviously raging on a decade later in afghanistan. and iraq.
we're spending so much money while the chinese are lapping us on intreesing the infrastructure. now the question of libya. that's front and center in washington, d.c. it's fascinating, gene, isn't it? that now republicans are starting to ask tough questions about war and democrats are blindly saluting generals. the roles have reversed. >> well, the roles have rever d reversed. it is very interesting. there's a dove caucus in the republican party now. it's not just the tea partiers either. it's the kind of isolationist right is newly empowered. and i think just a lot of establishment republicans as well are perhaps no longer enthralled to the sort of neocon strain of "we've got to be everywhere with our troops at all times." and i think this is really going to complicate the president's plans insofar as there are plans. i'm not sure we have plans in libya, and that's what's really
upsetting. i mean the white house reaction is like, well, what war? well, that war. that's the one we're talking about. and people are really asking questions about it. >> this is what john bain her to say yesterday. he was asking questions as well. >> the white house says there are no hostilities taking place. yet we've got drone attacks under way, we're spending $10 million a day. part of an effort to drop bombs on gadhafi's compounds. i don't know -- it just doesn't pass a straight face test in my view that we're not in the midst of hostilities. >> that is surprising to see john boehner there talking that way because john boehner was one of the guys, even back in the '90s, that supported a lot of bill clinton's interventions that congressmen like myself opposed. what's happening here?
do you think, dr. sax, that actually some republicans are starting to understand that we just don't have the money to do this anymore, that we're exhausting our economy and setting ourself up for a terrible fall? >> isn't it amazing that obama's being tagged with a neocon foreign policy right now? you know, the real story here is the continuity between bush and obama. of course it's pentagon-led. >> why is that? why is it that there is such a continuity between bush and obama? >> when you read woodward on afghanistan, for example, and obama's war, what you really learn is that the pentagon drove the strategy. the civilians did not. the vice president was just about the only one that asked questions really, hard questions of the generals. so the generals are pushing for troops. they're pushing for troops everywhere. they're pushing to keep the troops in iraq after the deadline. that's probably going to -- >> that's what generals do. that's their job. >> exactly.
>> but it is the president's job to push back. >> and he did push back and he's not pushing back on any of these. i think our military expansion in the region is just continuing. it's in yemen now in a not-secret secret war. now it seems like the pentagon is asking, of course, we got to stay on bases after what was supposed to be the deadline for withdrawal. the delay in troop draw-downs from afghanistan. this is basically pentagon-driven agenda, but where is the president on this? >> and gene, how surprising is it that there is such continuity between george w. bush's neocon foreign policy and barack obama's, i guess we can call it a neo con -- >> whatever you want to call it, there is continuity. i think jeffrey's absolutely right that it's generals-driven, pentagon-driven. there's a certain sort of momentum to this interventionist
philosophy and practice. that is hard to stop. it's hard for a president to stop and joe biden did what he could. he asked the right questions, but in the end, here we are. we're still in iraq, we're still in afghanistan, we're doing hostilities in libya, and watch out for yemen. i really think yemen is the next war that is -- that could be a real war. >> mike, we don't have the money. will somebody please send a memo to washington, to the president, to congress? we don't have the money to fight these wars. >> we can't win them. >> and we can't win them! >> joe, first of all, god bless the pentagon. that's what they do. >> and we understand that. general petraeus is a national hero. we do believe that. >> take that out of the equation, no one should be surprised when you have less than 1% of our population fighting these wars, that the
wars go on. because people sit back there and bitch about cost per gallon of gas and sneakers don't fit and i lost my ipod and a very few small percentage of people are fighting these wars for us. >> ex >> exactly. >> take a look at jon huntsman's evolving position on o afghanistan and foreign policy. should be interesting as the debate moves forward. eugene, thank you very much. >> and for not talking too much about your column. we greatly appreciate that. up next -- >> that's quite all right. we're done with that subject. talk to you guys later. developing news on greece debt that could have a big impact on wall street this morning. business before the bell is next. this past year alone there was a 93% increase in cyber attacks. in financial transactions...
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welcome back to "morning joe." we've been talking all morning about the debt crisis that's sweeping across greece, europe and actually to california and spreading across america. let's talk about that. going to wall street and get a check on business before the bell. with cnbc's simon hobbs is live at the new york stock exchange. simon, you look at the headlines today, front page of the "new
york times" a1 talking about european problems with austerity and the markets. you look at the front page of the business section, debt fears, same thing with the "wall street journal," "financial times." >> but that's old news, joe. we've got good news today! we are likely to bounce 90 points easy with the opening of the dow. in the news conference france and germany are explaining the way it will be, basically it opens the way for a $170 billion bail-out of greece which means it won't have to come to the market the way they're structuring it. there won't even be a technical default. this is perhaps huge news for us. >> this is such great news! because now the greek government, they don't have to make any tough choices. >> oh, they do. >> no, no. they can just keep spending.
they won't get the $170 billion unless they make tough choices -- >> can we whip up "happy days are here again"? >> they still have to make tough choices. we've had a cabinet reshuffle in greece overnight. at least you could say to the greeks, look, there's light at the end of the tunnel. it is $170 billion. maybe they will go through the cuts. maybe that makes it more politically flees abeasible. >> simon, there's -- being a bit more serious about it, there is also that argument that you can make a lot of people saying why are we going to take austerity cuts when things are so bad for us now. to hell with the government, full steam ahead. this at least gives them the light at the end of the tunnel. >> you have to explain to them, if you don't do this, your country will be destroyed. if you don't do this in greece, your banking system is going to be completely liquidated and
your pensions liquidated, you'll have a huge wealth transfer from the old people to the young people who will have no debts. >> mike barnicle, mike bawarner said it perfectly, we have no more bullets in our fiscal gun. we've tried monetary easing, deficit spending. this is coming at such a horrific time. these economies are stagnant and we're implementing austerity programs. it is just a nightmare. >> sarkozy and merkel are pulling off this miracle, can we get them to go to sacramento, california? >> simon, we want to thank you. it's friday. have a good weekend. giving us a reason to be happy. let's everybody join together and sing the song. ♪ happy days are here again >> no, no, that would be like "we are the champions." a new book exposes america's secret spy war with china.
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it is 40 past the hour. joining us how to, best selling author of the new book "tiger trap, america's secret spy war with china," david wise. david, thanks for being with us. >> david, we've obsessed for years on spying, spy games between russia and the united states. but what you reveal in here is shocking information about the spy wars between america and china. >> yeah. well while everybody was watching the kgb and russians, china also rising as a global power was also increasing its spy ability. they've acquired some incredible secrets about this country. i'm not just talking about small stuff. i'm talking about, for example,
the wada, our most advanced, sophisticated warhead which sits on the trident submarines. also details about the neutrons bomb. >> how are they getting this? >> well, the fbi and the cia would like to know that. in the case of the neutrons bomb, they had a suspect that they though. but in the case of the wada they first suspected wen ho lee. as i reveal in the book, there was a four-year investigation and the code name was sago palm. after four years, 300 people and 11 agencies of the government, massive investigation, they came up with zero. so it's still a mystery. >> this is far more than just intellectual property theft. this is far more than chinese scholars coming to stanford or m.i.t., then turning to china.
this is the tentacles of this operation are fairly deeply ep bedded within our society. >> yeah. no, this is big stuff. how our submarines, for example run silently so they're harding to detect? one of the chinese spies was able to get that, the quiet electric drive. and they got it. a lot of these cases -- and one will lead you to the next one. when i was researching "tiger trap," i was amazed to see how many of these cases were intertwined. you know. >> and this book has sex and intrigue in it as well. i'm thinking of the case involving the parlor maid. a double agent. tell us her story. >> parlor maid was a prominent member of the chinese-american community in los angeles. and she was working for the fbi as an asset but she was also having a romantic dalliance with
the two fbi men on the west coast who were in charge of chinese counterintelligence. they were supposed to be watching chinese spies. but somewhere along the line when she worked for the fbi for 20 years, about half-way along the line she started working for china. and they paid her $100,000. she did much better working for the fbi. she got $1.7 million in expenses and salary. and she was constantly going over there. so she was collecting from both side. but she was passing secrets of the fbi to china. and where did she get the secrets? well, during her terroririf trye money -- men when he would come to her home, she'd copy them. >> we talked about this this morning, we are consumed with worry over the economic threat
china poses to us. yet in this book, in your past works, should not we be more worried about a potential military threat? this is military secrets that they're going after. >> yes, it is. i done think china is a military threat. >> why do they want this? >> they've been flexing their muscles. to build up, modernize. the big thing with china, they were set back by the cultural revolution, the great leap forward and all of these things which took a tremendous step -- the great leap forward was a great leap backward, of course. so they're struggling to modernize and they want these things, like the nuclear weapons, like the wada, is a small warhead. small warheads you can place more of them on a single missile. maybe up to ten on a single trident missile. so they wanted that capacity. they didn't have it. by getting the wada, they can short-cut research and
development time. it is more modernizing and catching up. >> it is interesting your view that they're not a threat. maybe you could just elaborate on that a little bit. i tend to agree with that, but interesting that given what you've been writing about, you feel that way. >> well, i think what i just said, that they're trying to play catch-up more than get ahead. but they have been flexing their muscles in the south china sea, fighting over those islands, which goes back for years. they're still fussing over these islands. there's nothing on them. you know? maybe a little oil. and they basically are playing catch-up and that's about it, i think. >> well, the book is "the tiger trap -- america's secret spy war with china." david wise, thank you very much. good to have you on the show. >> thank you for being with us. >> thank you, joe. up next -- willie's week in review. if congress really wants to balance the budget...
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welcome back to "morning joe." this sunday is father's day. and of course, we all remember that tim russert passed away three years ago this week, if you can believe it. his son, luke russert, has written the cover piece for this sunday's "parade" magazine, entitled "what i learned from my dad." mike, tell us about it. >> well, the piece is a compelling piece about a terrific father. i mean tim had a big job. right? host of "meet the press," washington bureau chief, "the" guy at nbc news, and yet the biggest, most important job that he had, he would tell you, was being luke's father. and what a father he was. he was always there for luke and that's what luke writes about, whether luke is talking about his fear of flying when he was going back and forth to b.c. and tim buying a ticket at
washington national, at reagan airport, just to walk luke through security, to the gate, to be with him. stuff like that. timmy was -- i mean, our kids, my kids, and luke grew up together. we shared a summer home together for years. and to see tim in that role as a father was to realize that that's the role, that's the job, that he treasured most. he had fun as a father. and i think luke obviously had a great deal of fun being his son. >> you talked to people in the d.c. bureau who knew and loved tim best and those terrible, terrible months after his death. when you talk to them, they didn't talk about tim, the washington bureau chief. >> oh, no. they talked about tim, the dad. >> they all did. to a person. >> you know that there's a young fellow still at the washington bureau of nbc news whose dad got quite ill and was slowly dying,
and tim took care of that young man who work for him in washington the way he would take care of his own son. you know, how's your dad doing today, do you need anything, take some time off. and after the boys' father died -- the young man's father died. tim wanted to reward him. take a week off, go home, you want to go see a red sox game? i can get you tickets. he got him tickets. that's the kind of guy he was, and that's the kind of guy luke is now. >> mika and willie, we're looking at a picture of tim came on the set so many times in 2007, 2008. it's just so hard to believe that he's gone. i still can't -- looking at that, i cannot believe he is not with us. >> no, i know. and he really was -- with his support, he really built everything that we have here and blessed this show. this piece is so beautiful.