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they can raise money in iowa, we night not be fattening up our children quite so quickly. it's very profitable to get all that corn sugar. >> absolutely. high fructose corn syrup. >> good money though. you have fat kids and make money, what's the problem? >> the problem is that you end up with fat adults and they cost the health care system an enormous amount of money because they have heart disease and -- >> so what? you okay? i just made money selling corn because i gave a politician a couple dollars. >> there you go. >> you're looking to spoil the party. >> have a lovely weekend. >> thank you, sir, i hope you do, too. >> the show begins right now. well the big story this afternoon, manufacturing jobs as presented by our president, president obama, betting half a billion u.s. dollars, your dollars, in trying to capitalize
on a manufacturing renaissance. good afternoon from new york city. i'm dylan rat began. we have a fun show. crystal ball is here, we'll get foo gay marriage and the debt and all that. but first we start in pittsburgh. the president unveiled a new half a billion dollar program teaming up with companies, universities, and, of course, taxpayer money with the goal of fostering technological breakthroughs. that's how they're articulating it with the intention of creating manufacturing jobs here at home. most of the cash comes from existing government programs, obviously no way congress will support another stimulus. >> this partnership is about new cutting edge ideas to create new jobs, spark new breakthroughs, reinvague rate american manufacturing today, right now. not somewhere off in the future. we are america and we don't just keep up with changing times, we set the pace. >> well, of course, a lack of manufacturing jobs in america, a symptom of much larger problems that we've been talking about as
we and a nation said of a financial system that removes our money through the trade deficit and banking system it doesn't invest it. we simply rely on making money by, well, trading money. 40 years ago one in four u.s. jobs were in manufacturing. it is now less than 1 in 10. scott paul, rick mcauliffe who was in attendance for the president's speech today. you saw a lot of ideas manufactured into reality and then executed. what are your thoughts on this particular approach to turning ideas into reality and reality into jobs? >> i think it's a great idea. i mean here at the university, you know, we created something like 300 companies the last 15 years. most of them have been around manufacturing. and it's just great the government is stepping in to keep the jobs here and the usa. >> how will they decide what happens to the money?
was there a competition? how do you allocate that money? >> i think a lot of it will probably be through competition and government programs and allocations that really focus on specific ideas such as the president mentioned today, taking plastics and painting them everywhere to make solar electricity for the future. >> scott, a couple of things i want to show to you that seem to be real headwinds to investment. the first is the actual shift in how in the way we manufacture by virtue of robots, changing times. if you look at u.s. manufacturing output levels relative to jobs going back to january 1972, you can see that a rising line is the output data, continues to go up with a hiccup with the 2008. i should be so lucky to call that a hiccup, honestly. and then precipitous drop in the number of jobs. that really goes to not the financial crisis but the actual technology. layer on top of that, you do have a financing system that
is -- that rewards not manufacturing and investment but financial speculation and extraction. so if a kid comes out of school as a banker, the basic average starting salary is $65,000 which is more than 50% higher than manufacturing. so with a screwed up financial system paying 50% more for the new jobs and robots that are taking away jobs regardless of trade deficit, how do we begin to overcome that so we don't spit in the wind with this half a billion dollars? >> it's a good question is the right question to ask, dylan. i will say on productivity, we've made astounding productivity gains as you've shown for the last couple of decades. we actually held manufacturing jobs steady from 1982 to 1999. what's changed as you pointed out is not only the recession which caused an acute two million job drop in manufacturing but also globalization and the fact that china entered the world trade system and flaunts the rules of
the world trade system. and we have no response. we have no strategy. i do think that it will take more federal investment to create a single job, precisely because of this automation and technology. we shouldn't try to stand in the way of. this i think it's just the reality. the return on investment that you're going to get at the federal level for manufacturing in terms of jobs is going to be smaller than it once was which means we have an even bigger job to do in leveling the playing field and in providing other very reasonable incentives to make things here in this country, to encourage companies to reshore, before he work back, invest in our infrastructure. there is a lot of stuff we could be doing. this is one leg of it. it has to be a wholistic approach. >> i guess my concern is when you look at it, scott, the big picture you've got this vampire just sucking trillions of dollars out of america in the big trade that is china and in
the banking system that is subsidized by the taxpayer and is pulling money out of america and financing china among other places. it's admirable to throw half a billion dollars in government money at this problem. but i really get the feeling that if you don't deal with the trade relationship and if you don't deal with the banking system, you're really just burning this money as a political play but not actually dressing the structural problem. >> absolutely. the best thing that president obama could do right now for manufacturing is stop china's cheating, especially on currency manipulation. put as much effort into that as he is to other things. and it would have very immediate positive returns for the economy. it would create more jobs. we would see higher gdp. we would lower our trade deficit all at no cost to the treasury. that is step number one. we need a solid foundation for manufacturing. and research in advance manufacturing is a part of that. no single firm can do this on its own and we need that help.
but, dylan, right now if we want manufacturing jobs, stop china's cheating. provide other incentives to reshore jobs so we can compete against other countries and build that solid foundation. let's do the advanced manufacturing. let's do the skills and training. it shouldn't stop us from doing something with china right now. as you point out, getting wall street money out of this. >> or get wall street to actually invest as opposed to -- wall street is great with money. we just want them to be incentivized to invest it in solving our problems. when you look at the incredible ecosystems like yours represent and how valuable having capital like this coming in and half a billion dollars in this context is a tremendous amount of money. it's great for all of the students and all of these schools. how much more output could schools like yours generate if the bigger issue scott and i were being reconciled so you were getting foreign capital and
billions of dollars as opposed to the half a billion which, again, we don't want to complain b but how much more horsepower can you generate if we ended this trade? >> a tremendous amount. it's unbelievable. the technologies coming out of universities today are just -- they're just engines of growth for our economy. the ideas are tremendous. and being able to pair universities together with our industries here and the united states, that's what has made the united states and america great. the innovation is still here in our country. and we're able to, you know, to transfer that technology into the sector such as manufacturing is really where we need to make that investment. if you look at china and europe in particular, the investments in the large manufacturing centers that partner with universities, partner with industry and really lead to the scaleup of the new technologies, i mean the company that i started here, we're printing electronics for the future. so the manufacturing is a
different style of manufacturing. but learning to scale that, the disruptive technologies and really move them into innovative technology that's keep jobs in the united states are really, really vital. and that's where the government can play a tremendous role. we've seen that in other countries. >> we have, indeed. we've seen it in germany. ronald reagan did it in america with the plaza accord in 1985. there's lots of precedent for dealing with rigged trade to create flows into our country. rick, do you a great job of informing all of us of what the potential in our own nation is if only we can basically give it sunshine and water which is all that money ultimately is. scott, it's always a pleasure to see you. rick, congratulates on getting what you got today. please show us what comes of it. have a good weekend. >> thanks for having us on. >> thanks, guys. coming up here, christy's challenge. i'm talking about the new jersey governor. calling out our own congress and the president saying if i can get a deal done in jersey on
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through a secondary person. and with all due respect to the vice president, the president's got to show up. and i spent hours and hours and hours, matt, with the senate and the speaker personally in my office over weeks. we got it to the ring ourselves. we battled it out. we came to compromise. we convinced our colleagues and did it. >> chris christy telling president obama to take his lead and personally get into these budget negotiations as the deal maker. i'm not sure if the white house is listening to the republican rising star. but president obama will take over the stalled talks monday when he meets separately with both senate leaders, the invite went out this morning. already republican leader mitch mcconnell is warning the president you can't have it both ways. obama stepping in at vice president biden's talks collapsed yesterday. eric cantor and john kyl walking out. the friday mega panel at your service. democratic strategist crystal
ball, msnbc contributor tore. pleasure to see the three of you. >> and you. >> how did you get up on that side of the table? >> i just climbed up over here. >> i see. >> i wanted a different view. >> you usually seg mate over here. >> we try to keep the black man separate. you have now sprung the coop and i like this. >> can you trust me in a nice tan suit. you can trust me next to the lady. >> i think i was making ari uncomfortable. >> that's the issue. >> really, was it ari? has nothing to do with him. he's the pawn in the whole thing. >> yes, he's just trying to be nice. >> haven't you taught us that? >> i find it interesting to evaluate your relative level of threat based on the color of the suit that you are wearing. i did not know that. >> it is like national security. >> exactly. let's talk about chris christy calling out the president and more importantly calling out the process, if you will, of deal making on the budget. do you agree with him, crystal, that basically whoever the deal maker is, whether it's the
governor or president or whoever the principle is, there is no deal if you don't have the man, so to speak, in the room. >> republicans say we have to a bipartisan deal and then absolute floi tax increases k you imagine if democrats were saying we want a bipartisan deal with no spending cuts? it would be laughable. it's a ridiculous position. >> it's not imaginable. the democrats don't actually stand up and fight first for what they want. and then negotiate from there. so i completely agree. i think the problem -- >> you agree with what? >> i agree with the point that we don't have two parties fighting strongly for what they believe. we have the democrats negotiating with themselves in advance. bide sen a very senior person. i think governor christy is off base to suggest putting your number, two the guy in line for the presidency and -- >> is he? >> is inadequate. so i think that is wrong. >> so your bigger criticism has nothing to do with who's in the room than the overall strategy that they're engaging in the negotiation which is your point as well. >> and it also has a deeper
relationship with the senators and the members of congress. he's been there a long time. >> and not to get too hokie, but he is also president pro temperature of the senate. he had az role in the constitution in breaking ties in the senate. he has all the reasons to be involved. >> understood. >> way, way wonky. a good ploy. >> and he announced pro tem. it just rolled off his tongue. >> it felt natural. i want to back it up to the horse's mouth. why are we even listening to chris christy? he sort of pissed on his chances to be president. he said i absolutely don't want. this i'm going to take a helicopter to my son's little league game and say i was right o do it. why do we even listen to him? he backed himself off of the chance to be a rising star. >> i would say in fairness with, that criticism may have certain basis, but at the same time, matt, you're talking about a state governor who is still looked at as a leader within the party who actually cut a debt
deal. what i find interesting is that the deal that he cut had a lot to do with cutting pensions and not a lot to do with restructuring either the tax code for that matter or dealing with the underlying dysfunction in the real estate and financing markets that caused the revenue short fall that we're now looking to cut teachers' salaries to replace wall street, housing and finance boondoggles. >> the original deal was draconian that it was ruled unconstitutional by the state of new jersey, the cuts to the education system were so dramatic. so he is a level self congratulatory for my taste. >> i think we know why the revenue is down. and we're watching the make good for the revenue come at the expense of teachers, judges and the least politically represented which i guess is the american way to surely piss you off. >> we're trying to do the things that will help the american people and help his own coming campaign and the republicans will stonewall and not allow him to do anything. and that's going to be at the expense of the american people.
that's good for their electoral chances. >> what i want to see is the president come out and watch, you have seen what is going on in new jersey? have you been watching what's going on in wisconsin? their solutions, their party here is -- >> is to take out your retirement plan. that's what it looks like. that's why nurses and teachers are protesting. that's not liberal activists, that's not move on. those are people who work all day. had a 20 or 50-year deal being reneged on. >> i think the temper tantrum that eric cantor threw this week, i thought that was disgusting. we're weeks away from hitting the debt ceiling. we vaul to come to the negotiating table and make the tough choices. >> let's switch to something that is equally controversial and that is a subject of marriage equality, gay marriage, marriage rights, civil unions. you hit the state of new york claiming to be on the verge of
legalizing it. unfortunately, it appears there is a stack of extraordinarily pressing business that has come up in albany that is pushing the vote on gay marriage down. john stewart offering coverage of new york state's legislative priorities just last night. >> we're getting word that there has been a vote in the new york senate extended session. let's go right to it. >> summer time favorite is now the official state vegetable. lawmakers in albany voted to give sweet corn a green thumbs up. tuesday and over the other top contender, onions. ♪ it's raining men >> wait, what? wait. what did you vote for? really? i state vegetable. >> awful take care of the important things there are things left over for a basic civil right for a large group of people. >> they obviously have different priorities in new york state's legislative process than john stewart might like. i as a lover of sweet corn in
the summer, you know, think that maybe this should be acknowledged as a more significant event than it's being treated. but at the end of the day, how much longer can new york state postpone a marriage vote with things like state vegetables? >> look, you don't want to get on the wrong side of the sweet corn issue here. >> the corn lobby is a real thing. >> very comical. >> listen, i will eat corn all weekend. >> that's right. >> picnics in the summer. i'm pro picnic as well. i think what stewart is getting at always in his great way of seizing the quote is how ridiculous the new york state legislature starts to sound. of course, to be fair to them, there are a lot of different bills you juggle at the end. they said they don't want this to drag into the weekend. i do think you're going to look at this over the next several days at most and get this vote. >> this is a basic issue of civil rights. and we're joking because we care about the issue. this is an extraordinarily serious issue. this is basically marriage
segregation. >> sure. >> there's two separate lines. and your love with another man is less valuable and important and interesting and real and serious to us so you can maybe have a civil union. but you can't get married. and i know in my life i think you probably seen in your life that when you get married, people look at you differently. right? you're better person. you're a more serious person. >> so that's my problem. >> and we're saying, you can't have a family. you can't get committed because you choose gay love over heterosexual love. that is wrong. and it's a stain on this time and in years to come people will be asked by their grandchildren why were you against gay marriage? just the same way you might ask our parents. >> literally, as you're offering your beautiful and rather effective opis on the subject, crystal, i'm here to inform you as john stewart might that there is a headline crossing from "the new york times" that a vote is scheduled or approved? what was it, betsy?
they have reached a deal on gay marriage. the terms of which are not disclosed in details are currently coming in. >> interesting. interesting. well, and to his point, it's not the societal representation of marriage. it's getting the things from the state, the tax breaks, all the rights that come with marriage of which there are many. and to broaden this to a national perspective, this is an issue on which the american people really moved. the past several polls have shown at least a plurality in favor of gay marriage. some a majority. and one of my great frustrations with president obama is that he won't come out and directly support marriage equality. i think a lot of people are becoming very frustrated. >> isn't this the ultimate intersection of the breech of the separation of church and state? >> yeah. >> ultimately what the state should ought to do is offer a basically a certification of a bureaucratic arrangement on assets, liabilities, rights, insurance, proxy rights, this sort of thing. and the religious expression of
marriage should be left to the private environment in general. that's my two cents. we're running the clock. straight ahead, however, the panel sticks around. we're going to try to keep the money a little closer to home. you heard eating local, how about investing local? our specialists with a plan to save the country's economic community, one small business, one community at a time. she calls it locavesting and whatever is developing on the gay marriage vote when we return. i'm jon haber of alto music. my business is all about getting music into people's hands. and the plum card from american express open helps me do that. you name it, i can buy it. and the savings that we get from the early pay discount has given us money to reinvest back into our business and help quadruple our floor space. how can the plum card's trade terms get your business booming? booming is putting more music in more people's hands.
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"the new york times" is reporting that a deal has been reached between the legislative body to define which religious institutions would be exempted from being forced to perform same sex marriages. this language was a point of great contest over the week. the news the deal on defining those exemptions paves the way
for the new york legislator to hold a vote, potentially as soon as this afternoon on the subject. crystal, you were saying you don't think those sorts of exemptions are that big of a deal. >> i think that's fine. if churches, religious institutions not comfortable to perform them, i don't think they should be forced to. you have moderate republicans that felt comfortable signing on to gay marriage. that's great. it's great news. >> ari? >> i completely agree. i think the whole issue is whether you have uniform, fair, and equal rights before your government where we all pay taxes and we all have sacrifices. i think religious institutions should get to do what they want and have as few ties to the government as possible. >> i totally agree. i'm not looking to get churches to be forced to do things they don't want to do. i just want to see all sorts of marriages be equal. >> all right. listen, again, the news this afternoon late friday the road paved for a vote on gay marriage in the state of new york. this on news of a deal for exemptions on religious institution that's would not be forced to perform the ceremonies
in the event this piece of legislation passes. msnbc, i am certain, will have extended coverage of this into the evening if and as it develops. in the meantime here, we turn our attention to the development of our own communities and their businesses and their economies. you have heard of the local people who eat local cucumber, blueberry, whatever it is. well, how about locavesting? keeping the money that you spend and more importantly that you invest close to home? both americans have put $26 trillion into the stock market through our 401(k)s, xeet ceter. most goes to large business that's lobby our government, export jobs and extract capital. they purchased both parties at least the leadership of both parties. our next guest says shifting even a small portion of our own money into investing in local business development and local consumption in terms of the business interaction would have
a big impact. so can we turn away from the wall street economic machine which we have a tax incentive to put it in there through the government rulings? we have all the insebtives to take the money away from our own communities and give it to the financial institutions when, in fact, we would want to have our money being put into our communities speaks to the power of the financial lobby. and a woman on the case and author of locavesting, amy ortiz. >> yes, that's fine. glad to be here. >> that's ari. that's torre and that's crystal. >> welcome. >> thank you. >> by the way folks at home, amy was enjoying the gay marriage conversation. thank you for doing that. in a nutshell, tell us what your witnessing in terms of the barriers to this type of behavior economically and the benefits when it happens. >> well, i wrote the book to describe the groundswell of activity going on in this area across the country.
and in my view, it's the financial -- the type of financial enovation that we really need in this country. you mentioned 26 trillion there are -- $26 trillion that americans invested but very little go to small business that's create two out of every three jobs. >> that is new businesses? >> yeah. that's debatable. >> more or less we're with you. >> yeah. and also small businesses benefit. >> but isn't the problem that ari makes a paycheck. torre makes a paycheck. i make a paycheck. and the system says we'll give you a tax deduction if you take some of that money and invest it in the global financial system and then can you retire and become a happy old man and play golf and enjoy your time on the boat. but if you want to take the money and not push it out of the system overseas to the corporations and you want to invest it in a small business, if you want to invest it in your
own community, well on that, we're going to tax the living day lights out of you and make it much less profitable for you to do that. how big of a barrier to this type of local investing is the actual corporate investment complex and the tax code? >> well, the biggest barrier, actually, to local invest willingiing is our securities laws. they have not kept up with modern times. so there is essentially two tirz of investors. if you have a net worth of $1 million, not including your primary residence, can you invest in anything you want. if you're like most americans and you don't meet that standard, you're very limited in what can you do. so it's two tiers of investors. it makes it very difficult for small businesses to raise money -- >> from small investors. >> yes. it's cutting off a huge pull of capital when we desperately need it. >> you have examples in the book of people that had tremendous success by pulling that capital. >> can you get a little more into the book. another piece of this is it's so
easy to invest on wall street. can you go to e-trade and talk to a stockbroker, all the financials are listed. can you find out information about the company. do you also give advice in the book if you're interested in investing locally how to pick a good investment and how to evaluate the opportunities? >> yes, i do. i broken the book up into chapters that look at different investment models that are established and emerging. i give practical advice and resources and kind of a how-to guide. >> the concern is that it's a less transparent marketplace, easier to get ripped off and confused. at the same time, i know there is a one reference to a bunch of police officers who actual lly invested in the local bakery. they named it cops and donuts. they all put their own money in and now it has 19 people that work there and it's become a real anchor in the community. en that is just some guys who are some cops who put together a few thousand bucks in order to move this bakery into a business
and then built the business. you wrote in the book, long before the goal of financial crisis exposed the flaws of our complex intertwined profit and system, a profound movement is building that is set on building resilie resilient, sustainable and healthy communities that can be sneen farmer's markets and local businesses and consider this to be the next step which is the internalization of actual money into the development of those businesses. torre, go ahead. >> you do want to know a lot about the company you're investing in, right? i mean i read some of jim kramer's books. he is one of our friends. he talks about you should know everything about the company you're investing in, whether it's a google app or what have you. so the companies you're talking about with locavesting, should it be something that the new bar that is coming in down the street that is looking for people or something in new york city, new york state for those of us who are here? how local do you mean? what is the demand of finding out everything you can about the company? he's writing books about it and
there is not easy findable financials about the new bar coming in down the street. >> it's going to be good. >> two things i would say about that, one, we talk about local companies, we think about the mom and pop shops, the local bar, the dry cleaner. and, yeah, that's the quintessential local business. but, you know, they can also be companies that employ hundreds of people or high gross start-ups. the defining characteristic here and the distinction i'm making is that they're locally owned and rooted in their community so they're a stake holder. >> quickly. >> secondly, yes, you have to do your due diligence. no one's suggesting throw that out the window. but i would argue that there is less risk thanks to the proximity and familiar aerat you may have with the companies. and the stake they have in the community and the accountability that comes with that. >> you can answer my question with a number. and that is if someone is actually thinking about doing this and money to work with, what per cent of their portfolio
are you talking about here? >> that varies. you know, i've talked to some people who put as much as 10%, 20% of their portfolios into these sort of investments. but 5%, 1% would make an enormous difference. 1% of $26 trillion is $206 billion going to the main street economy. >> the interesting thing, the barrier is information and liquidity and the rest of that. but at the same time, if you update the securities laws which allow that vetting of that type of thing and the internet comes into the mix, if we're renting out people's cars and houses and all the rest of this, there is clearly a way to create a much better capital market that actually provides capital to the businesses as opposed to the capital market we have now which harvests our capital to take it overseas. a pleasure to meet you. congratulations on the book. >> thank you. >> nice to see you, too. and torre, we'll see you at the end of the program. i'll see both of you guys friday of next week. next up here, happy friday to
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called collaborate the classroom. it is an online platform that allows students and teachers and other students to be in a dynamic and on going exchange of ideas and expand discussion and it's latest development now allows teachers across the globe to swap ideas, lesson plans and give feedback. think of it as an ecosystem for the learning process and to learn about the learning process and continue to apply better and better practices along the way. joining us now is the ceo of the creator of collaborate rise the classroom and a man that should be proud, i suspect you are, richard, of what you've accomplished so far. wonderful idea. well executed up to this point. before we get into how it works, describe to me how what you're doing helps actual human beings in a learning environment anywhere? >> okay, so we know that real learning doesn't happen through
rope mem orization. it happens in conversation. and in typically inside of a classroom, they run out of time. teachs have so much time. the other thing that happens is you have the same four, five students that are always raising their hand. and the kids that are shy just don't get a chance to participate. so what we do is it extends the in class discussion after school into the home online, on a safe, secure website where the kids go home. they log on to their private website and prompted by the teacher who takes whatever subjects they were discussing in class and launches little discussions, little mini lessons on that website. so, for instance, they'll x. you know, what were some of the mainlior factors of the civil war and then give the instructions to the students. they can imbed a video or text or something. then this is got part, the kids get all the time they need to respond. so they start collaborating, right? one will answer. another responds to the first
student's question or comment. and, you know, they have a vibrant discussion going where everyone is engaged. and that's where the learning really happens. >> how do we end up in a situation where whether it's coming out of the academy or the crew out of mit or people like yourself and there are so many other, suzy buffet dealing with early childhood, it's clear that human beings learn in a collaborative environment. and, yet, we've gotten a national educational system that is predicated on teaching memorization and funding which is useful for the grownups. it's easier to manage, perhaps. but it is so far from our potential in learning. how do you explain the gap in terms of what we have and what we know? >> well, i think a lot of it just has to do with what i was saying befor there is limited time. and teachers tend to have not
enough resources, too many kids to take care of. you know, some of the kids take more attention than others. and so being able to move it out of the classroom and online, that's when suddenly there is all the time in the world and kids can take the time to consider their responses before they respond. now the other thing that is cool about this is that the kids already like being online. right? they like facebook, they like all that. so they're prepped for. this the only thing does is gives them something specific toint act and interrelate around. and they like that a lot. and the teacher gets to watch them and see all right, how are they responding in this particular case? and from that knowledge launch the next topic. and know how to guide that learning just by being observer and picking the right questions to prompt the conversations. so we've had teachers report, for instance, that for the first time one teacher said for the first time in nine years of teaching when she came back to the class the next day, the kids aurn the topic that they were
discussing the night before were so engaged in the conversation that when the bell rang, the hands were still up. she had to tell them, hey, class is overment you got to go now. and they were still talking about it. that sever teacher's dream there. >> what do you think of people that propose the learning and teaching may be best done outside of the classroom online and that the classroom itself should be used as a place for the problem solvers? the script should be flipped? >> will is some merit to. that for instance, a teacher can spend half of a period doing a lecture and kids get home and forget what happened this can flip it. it is called blended learning. you get online. and now the teacher's lecture or something like that can be there on video for the kids to watch and this he can rewind if they missed something, pause it, think about it. and so when they come back to the class, instead of taking the time, taking notes, they take the time actually revealing what they've learned for the teacher's benefit. >> what do you see as the greatest barrier to all of us
that are invested in making the transition to this type of learning in america, whether it's me, you, or the string of other people? what can we collectively do to raise the volume around this learning model so that we can really come up against -- really get an updated system? >> you know, traditionally the barrier is perceived as one that's financial. in this case, the platform is free. and to go one step further, the teachers that are participating in this network of teachers, they are connected. so teachers can share individual topics that have been successful in their own classrooms and as other teachers download those with a couple of clicks, literally in like three minutes they can populate a -- an online classroom with topics that other teachers around the country, around the world have said, hey, this worked for me. i did it. you know, it was appropriate for this grade level. maybe not so much for the other grade level. but here's why it worked. and so it's peer reviewed in real time.
this is a shared topic library that we just announced this week. >> if a school wants to learn more about this, what do they do? >> the easiest thing is go to our website, colaborizedclassroom.com. but we're present in all the places we can be. that's a good starting point. >> listen, claborizedclassroom. i advocate checking it out. i think it is worthy of drawing to their attention. it's a real pleasure to make the acquaintance. >> thank you for your time. >> congratulations on what you got here. it's wonderful stuff. >> thank you. >> richard lang. coming up on "hard ball," if he wants to run for president, rick perry may want to lay off the tequila jokes. the speech that left his latino audience speechless. first torre with his take on the tabbing of the notorious irish mobster.
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as can you you can see, torre is here with a daily rant on a friday afternoon. >> the boston i grew up is no more. the red sox are perennial winners, the kennedys are out of power. and never again will the streets tremble beneath the feet of whitey bulger. he was practically a folk hero in boston. the most feared criminal and the man with the fbi in his pocket. bulger was someone all americans could point to as evidence that even the fbi is corruptible. it was a decade and a half ago
when his closest contact at the fbi let him know he was about to be arrested and bulger went on the lamb to be found this week in santa monica hiding in a retirement community. wait, his closest contact at the fbi let him know he was about to be arrested? yep. bulger was a paid fbi informant for years helping the bureau attack the italian mob in boston while continuing to murder people and yafrpg out their teeth in the predna era so their bodies couldn't be identified. doesn't it seem wrong that pull bulger was a paid informant that was continuing to run a homicidal criminal enterprise? yes, it does. but that's normal when we go through the looking glass and into the world of the professional informant industry. criminals who are paid by the government to inform often continue to commit crimes and they often snitch down, ie, inform on lesser criminals and they often make their police handlers fall in love with them or fall in love with their money. and do things like warn them that the caps are coming. just yesterday i saw a woman wearing a t-shirt that said stop
snitching. that's a saying started by criminals. it's become a cause celebrity and idea carried forward by law abigd stenz. and that's insane. but citizens don't trust government, can you see where they might take a criminal side against the cops. but the hypocrisy is that snitching is part of a good criminal tool set. like many big criminals, whitey bulger used the cops to eliminate his competition and stay out of jail. bulger is now in jail because he violated one of the cardinal rules of being on the lamb. the fbi couldn't find bulger until they started focusing on his girlfriend who was with him. so, ladies and gentlemen, remember this -- if you absolutely, positively have to go on the lamb, go alone. dylan, the postscript, one of my favorite parts of the whole story is that in 2006, bulger went to a theater and saw the departed which was jack
nicholson stars as whitey bulger. wouldn't you love to just hear his little review? >> sure. >> we'll probably get -- now that they've caught him, he may offer up a little something on twitter at some point. >> yeah, bulger will be twittering from the can. nicholson was good. >> what else they going to do? put this in the context of the bin laden capture. in other words, how much do you buy into this sort of conspiracy theory suspicion of the absurdity of not catching this guy? >> i mean i think that it's incredibly difficult to figure out where is he? i mean it's a whole nation. he had incredible plastic surgery, unlike bin laden. i know it's a huge egg on the face of the fbi that the guy was gone so long. they wanted to capture him as soon as they caould. and the golden rule if i have to go to mexico? >> go alone. >> advice for the weekend, people. free advice, in fact.