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/ e >> we have inmate blanco who is a little upset. >> you have to use force? >> come on. >> they will take their food for hostage. take the shower hostage. >> you can stay right there. >> if it will get them the detention they want, they will take it hostage. >> shoot one more time and i'll come down.
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>> here at the penitentiary in new mexico, we have a level ii facility, level v facility. and we have a level vi facility. level ii is more after restrictive minimum inmate where, you know, we allow them to work outside and stuff with minimum super vision. level v is super vision all the time. obviously level vi is full-time observation of those inmates. >> this is the maximum security
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facility, level vi of the pen tent rif new mexico that houses the worst of the worse. these individuals are the worst within level vi and level vi is the worst within the whole state of new mexico. these individuals are housed one per cell. they are escorted and restrained everywhere they go. and handcuffs or leg irons and belly chains. bedo have two and three max individuals that are very violent. they like to assault our staff. >> today, we tag along with deputy warden joni brown on her way it deal with one of level vi's most notorious inmates. >> they have an inmate refusing to leave his cell. at this point they're going to go in and give him the directive to cuff up and come out. if not, then we're planning to use force for cell extraction. >> captain is here. turn around to be restrained.
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if you don't turn around to be restrained, we will have to have you removed from your cell. are you going to come out? okay, go ahead, sergeant. . bring your team in. >> the extraction team will come in and they will remove him from the cell. >> it's 5:24 p.m. we are in for inmate number 49418, who refused cell direction to be restrained and escorted ou of the cell. at this time a cell distraction team has been set up to remove the inmate from the cell. this time we will go to the cell. turn around and be restrained. he has the door covered with a blanket. he is giving no response.
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blanco, turn around and be restrained. a chemical agent is not to be put into your cell. >> come on out. come on out. >> okay. >> go ahead and back up, blanco.
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>> whaped? >> refuse my food. that's what this is all about. >> what did you decide to do? >> exactly what you seen right there. they're not just refusing my food. >> now what? >> what you mean? if they want to continue, i'll continue it. >> basically because of his behavior web had to be extracted from his cell. he was upset because some of the measures he is not allowed to have right now. there are certain things he is not allowed to have because of his behavior. he is serving disciplinary time. >> blanco is at a step where have not much more that we can do to him, far as discipline. he is already serving disciplinary time.
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we do a cell search. find anything that he might use to throw more feces out on other inmates and staff. clean the cell out. decontaminate it and he will be put back in there. >> what was this before b? >> blanco, you know -- you have to stop. s. >> go look at the camera. if i threw out -- when they first went up in there, if there was liquids on the floor -- >> there is a hole right here. it was actually spraying it out with the like a hose. >> see right there. he was actually shooting it out. if you come over here, you can see whatever is all over the walls and there are wet spots over here. that was all feces shooting at us. if you look at my pants, there's feces on my pants. fees owns my shirt.
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or fecal matter, whatever you want to call it. >> liquid out of the door. >> there is feces an urine all over yourself. >> why? >> in your cell. >> there is no feces in my cell. you go in there and tell me if there is feces in my cell. >> tell me what your point is. you say you didn't do what they say you did. >> exactly. >> what would i throw feces in my [ bleep ] cell for? that's a lie. where's the feces at? i don't see no [ bleep ] feces. >> already cleaned your cell. >> remember, i got -- come on.
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>> hey, can i talk to you? >> you need to put your arm in so we can close it. >> how about i talk to you? i want to make sure you guys understand what i'm saying. you guys want to say any more [ bleep ] lies and say -- come on. >> would you get to the point, kevin? what caused all this today in the beginning? did you start to throw something at them? did you discuss something with him? >> earlier today, yes, me and him did get into confrontation. >> so you had an issue earlier in the day then they were hesitant to open the food port, right? because of that. all right. so did did you have a conflict? okay. so are we all good then, for the time being? >> since y'all want to start this [ bleep ], since i want to -- no, tomorrow, i expect to be here. next week. until i get -- y'all want to
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play games, then we going to play. >> then you want to stand here and threaten to keep playing games. >> you're right. you are a hundred percent [ bleep ] right, and i am. i am going to continue lie plaiing games. >> let the games begin. but it doesn't have go this way. >> whatever. >> well, it doesn't. >> whatever. >> coming up, blanco versus staff, round two. [ female announcer ] ever wish vegetables didn't taste so vegetably? well, v8 v-fusion juice gives you a full serving of vegetables,
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right now we're at the level two. a minimum restriction facility. and basically what that means as opposed to level five or six, these are dorm settings. individuals here usually have a little bit more better behavior. in here for less violent crimes so they can somewhat be trusted.
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>> we're getting ready for dinner. and skipping the wonderful chow hall food today. we try to avoid that as much as possible. we try to cook for ourselves with the things we get from the commissary. we've made the burritos from hell. the best thing of what we can do here. there's like beef stew, chili beans, beans, rice. and a bunch of spices and stuff like that. and some cheese, of course. my dad always asked me what will we eat for the evening and i tell them mystery meat, because you never know what you're eating in here. of course there's a menu but when you go, doesn't look like what's on the menu. >> you've got chef boy r.j. >> we've become micro masters after a while and no open flame or anything but after trial and error, here we are.
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>> i don't know but i'm smelling some chicken. >> that's black beans. >> i was hoping for watermelon, collard greens, something. >> the hazards of neighbors and short walls. >> well, i'm in the santa fe level two murph. which is just a minimum restrict unit, which is, you've got more movement than the level threes. with me it's kind of hard because i got two kids by myself. my kids will ask me what i do to get in here. and i don't know if they understood me but i tried to tell them the best i could. >> what did you tell them, literally? >> literally, i just told them like sometimes people die and i asked them you know how sometimes people die? and they said yeah. and i said okay you see tv a lot
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how people are shooting other people and stuff like that and they said yeah. and they said movies. and i said, yeah, just like the movies. that's what happened to me, i was being bad. i shot a guy and i came in here. i don't think they really understood when i left it at that. >> how do you maintain being a father? >> just through letters and phone calls really. that way i know i can talk to them and visit. since i got here i was pretty much the barber. i go in there cut hair pretty much all day and it would take up a lot of time. as long as i was staying busy or active, i was good to go. >> what are we going to do today? >> whatever. >> whatever. you know what happens when i get creative. anything we can do to make him look better. kind of got a little swirl or something in mind. i like putting little designs in it. that way i can keep my personality going.
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it's just something a little different because everyone else has their own little thing. >> ever since inmate kevin blanco arrived at the penitentiary of new mexico in 1997 he's made quite an impression on staff. >> kevin blanco can be unpredictable. you really don't know how he's going to behave from one day to the next. one day he kind of acts like your friend. the next day he's like the crazy animal behind the door. >> today, blanco continues to test the patience of pnm officers, refusing to return a prison razor after shaving. >> you have to extract him. gas him, put him back in medical. put him in medical for another 72 hours. >> are you going to give me the razor? >> i'm giving you a direct order, give me that razor. >> okay, no. >> it takes a toll on everybody.
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we're down here dealing with this guy every day when we could be doing other things. we have opportunities to relinquish the razor. if he doesn't do it and then we will set up the extractor team to go in there. >> luckily for everyone involved, blanco gives up the razor. >> hear me out though. >> listen. [ bleep ]. >> it's over [ bleep ]. >> i understand that, kevin. he claims it's all over and done with. he's going to start from scratch. it's okay. i believe medical will work at least for the rest of the night. next, the deputy warden tries talking some sense to blanco. >> do you have reason to be conscience? and davon's haircut has attracted the wrong attention.
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davon lymon's expression of individuality has started a trend among level two inmates but it has also raised concern with the staff. >> i did his hair a couple of days ago. the captain told him this morning if he doesn't take it off he's going to the hole and i'm not allowed to do it no more to my hair. >> okay. you guys wait here for a minute. i have a question. >> sure. on the barber. on the haircut. >> right. >> they're standing at my door saying that we're going to lock the guy up if he doesn't -- >> actually what happened with this inmate and it was inmate damon, he got an attitude is what he did and what i did was started challenging him concerning his customized haircut.
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i said if we start allowing that, what's going to happen is all the other inmates will be expecting that. >> right. i figured that was what your concern was. we have to establish what we're going to allow. i guess we just need to establish what we are going to allow and what we're not and so if we're going to allow basic haircuts, you know fades, you know -- >> and i think that's what we need to stick to is just the basic haircut. i'll do that. >> all right, thank you. the most important thing is to keep problems from happening in prison or business or whatever is that you're consistent but if you allow one person do it and then you target somebody else, then we run into situations like this. all right. this is the deal. i've talked to the chief security and him and i decided together that we're not going to allow the tailored haircuts. would you turn around and let me
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see your haircut. it can be interpreted in several different ways. it could be interpreted as a tribal sign. it can be interpreted as a gang sign. you, i believe, questioned the captain when he started talking to you about your haircut. now, that's not your place as a level two inmate. you guys initially approached me, you'll get locked up if you don't go change your haircut. my understanding is that it was the way that you spoke to the captains that almost got you locked up, okay? so we have the haircut thing solved. all of the inmates are going to be advised but you need to be careful on how you address the staff here. okay? >> do we just let them grow out then? >> just let them grow out. that needs to be fixed. okay? because that was the directive of the captain. all right? >> all right. >> all right, thank you very much. >> all right.
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>> oh, man. >> don't even touch that part. >> all right, turn around. let me see. i don't see any difference. my biggest life and death decision of today. whether to let you have your hair that way. all right. let it stay. just don't do it again and you two, all right?
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>> back at level six we caught up with kevin blanco, who seemed in much better spirits since we last saw him. >> do you want to stand here and threaten to keep playing game? >> you're right. because you all -- you're 100% [ bleep ] right and i am. >> what is the situation with you? >> i don't think i have an anger problem. i just don't like to be lied to. for any individual who is going to push my buttons. instead of leaving me alone and let me do my time, that's my way of letting them know, leave me alone and let me do my time. >> talk me about what you've done. how you acted out. >> by -- >> what's that? >> which is throwing urine on
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them. just your way of letting them know to leave you alone. >> i mean we're behind the door 24/7. we've got officers to go around antagonizing. so, you know, we're only limited to certain things that we can do. is it something i'm proud of? no. if is something i'm ashamed of, yes. i always live a negative lifestyle. i always wanted things fast. which resulted in me selling drugs and robbing and things like that. but as i got older i started realizing a lot of different things. i mean endured a lot of losses. which was my son. >> who has your son? >> some people in colorado. >> he's adopted? >> yeah. >> told him i was in prison.
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they made me sit down here. reflect on a lot of things in life. i still get angry sometimes and want to resort to violence but at the same time i've got to hold myself back because i know that's not the right thing to do. but i guess i'm in a struggle within myself. so until i reach that stage, mastered that, do i have reason to be cautious? yeah. >> after our interview we followed blanco to the yard where he took the opportunity to disrupt prison functions yet again. >> i will let you just say what you want to say because i know that's not how you go. >> i'm on lock-term discipline. it goes back to the same thing. >> i already gave you guys 18 days over from the amount that you're talking about. >> okay. >> so my 20 days is up.
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can i go back to another cell? >> no. >> you got another report, kevin. >> i got another report -- >> before the 60 days were up. did you not? >> yeah. >> so you didn't have 60 days. because you got another report within that 60-day time frame. so are we going to have any issues until this -- >> whatever y'all say. you all have it chosen -- so you're right. >> talk to you later, thank you. coming up, the situation between c.e.r.t. and blanco escalates at about ten feet. >> plus, devon is in trouble again. >> it seems we have a bunch of snitches. >> they still going to get you.
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>> here's what's happening. jury deliberations in the casey anthony murder trial wrapped up just about a half an hour ago. they will resume deliberating
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tomorrow morning. anthony is charged with first degree murder in the death of her 2-year-old daughter, caylee. the crew of the shuttle atlantis arrived in florida for nasa's very last shuttle mission. the four astronauts will bring supplies to the international space station after lift off this friday. now, let's go back to "lockup." so this is my crib. it is 414. got a big 13-inch tv. go ahead and get a pan of that. this is my living room/bedroom/studio. we've got the tunes. that's not eight-track but cassette tape. might as well be. we don't have refrigerators in here. however, we do got food lockers. soup, soda, beans. some kool-aid.
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get some kool-aid and that's about it. >> well we have inmate kevin blanco who was a little upset. issued three disciplinary reports. he has his own way of thinking. he portrays his own outcome but it's actually there and he implies whatever he feels is appropriate. so it's one of those things that kevin blanco wants this and he wants it now. well, he's not going to get it now and the officers are concerned that they may have to extract him from this rather large rec pen. if he chooses to go that route, that's what we'll do. kevin blanco, i need you to come and cough it up. blanco? he's ignoring the issues.
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>> they want to sit there and play their little [ bleep ] games. keep me in the cell. you all want to keep me in the cell, here's y'all's reason. get your squad. go get your guys and come on. kevin blanco. i'm giving you a directive to come out. >> i'm refusing. >> anytime inmates refuse to peacefully exit their cells entrance, officers must move forward with standard extraction protocol. >> what's going on, blanco? >> man, come on. y'all can go. >> no, i'm not coming out. y'all want a reason to [ bleep ]. >> branch on the 19 yard. 1510, blanco's refusing to come out. gave him his first directive. time now is 4:50. >> blanco is taking his -- basically he's taking his rec pen hostage and he's refusing to
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come out. this happens they'll take their food for hostage. they'll take a shower hostage. if it will get the attention they want they will take it hostage. we start by getting the rest of the inmates out of the yard. >> that's it. that's it. >> once we got them out of yard bring them back in, bring my team in and give them the last and final directive. if he refuses to be cuffed, we'll extract him using whatever is necessary. >> we'll have do an extraction in the big yard. >> as c.e.r.t. is told to get ready for a possible extraction, blanco is given his last chance to peacefully leave the recreational pen. >> kevin, it is 5:17. i'm giving you the third and final directive. come out and be cuffed. 8:09. i just gave blanco has third
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directive to be restrained. he refused. >> now we're going to do whatever we need to do to get him out of there safely for everybody, him included. >> you know this is what's going to happen. we're going to go in. give him some directives. they're bringing canine down. if the directives don't work, we'll deploy with the o.c. if the o.c. doesn't work from the corner that you're at, then you need to get back in the stack. okay? so you're going to go to one corner and i'll be at the door and we'll try on crisscross in and see if we can get in. if the wind's too bad and then we will drop a cs grenade. see what effect that has. from that, if that doesn't work we'll elevate to the shotgun. i don't want the shotgun entering. gerald, you'll take the shot. okay? the shotgun doesn't go in once you take your shots you back out. my name is sergeant --
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the time is approximately -- >> 7:08. >> 7:08 p.m. the inmate we're extracting is kevin blanco, he's refusing to come out of the recreation pen. at this time we're going to proceed. >> coming out, blanco? this is your last directive to come out. >> all right. >> no, i'm not. i understand that. >> not working. >> he's too far. blanco, one more directive, you coming out, we're going to drop o.c. in the cage. everybody up.
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>> coming out, blanco? >> blanco still refuses to comply. forcing c.e.r.t. to escalate to nonlethal shotgun rounds. >> get down. take a shot. >> come on down, blanco. >> rerack. give him another one. >> coming down, blanco. >> nice shot. >> i'll come down if you shoot me one more time.
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>> all right. >> medical? >> hold up. >> i refuse. i'm all right. i'm 100% all right. >> hold on, blanco. >> check this out. >> yeah. >> we'll just take our photographs. after that if you want to refuse medical, give your clothes back and then we'll take you back. we'll get our pictures, give your clothes back and you sign the medical refusal and you're on your way back home. >> still got the camera.
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>> put him in the cage. >> with the extraction a success, deputy warden jaramillo debriefs with his teams. >> we need to document it very clearly about putting him in a time frame, taking it from one extreme to the next. >> yeah. once the team was put together and we entered the direct entrance, we approached the rec pen he was in. i gave him verbal directions to come out and he refused my directives and advised him that we're going to introduce o.c. we attempted to hit him with the o.c. but it didn't reach him. after that we elevated to cs. the cs didn't have any effect. we elevated with a shotgun. after the sixth round he complied. he came to the cuffing port. and he was restrained and removed from the area. >> what was his persona at the time when this was happening? was he immediately responding to it? >> no, it didn't seem like he
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had any immediate effects at all from any of the rounds. >> all right, if he was stabbing somebody they will not stop him. >> he just climbed off the basketball goal and surrendered. next, staff may have won the battle but to blanco, this means war. >> he was being disruptive in his cell. so bring him over here to the medical and to the crisis cell. >> strip down and stay right there. the debate is over. ♪ lexus hybrid drive technology is designed to optimize any fuel source on the planet. even those we don't use yet. because when you pursue perfection, you don't just engineer a future-proof hybrid system. you engineer amazing. ♪
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searches are routinely conducted throughout pnm.
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based on information from level two informants, officers find two homemade syringes in the dorm. >> captain. >> no. >> whenever we find something on that extent, obviously there's got to be -- there's got to be some type of narcotics around. >> right. >> i do have a list of inmates that are notorious for involving themselves in illegal drug activity over here. so maybe they'll be a good team. >> a good place to start. >> good job. >> i'm sure there are some inmates that will be hurting tonight. >> yep. >> if we have inmates that have priors, what we'll do is go and select them randomly so where they don't have any time to clean themselves up. >> we'll need 106 pena. >> bring them to the gym. we'll centralize them here. we'll give them the one hour, as per policy that is required of them. >> gentlemen, you have one hour to submit a urine. >> yes, sir.
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>> watch grown men pee in a cup isn't a fun job. it takes up to about five minutes before the test actually proves positive or negative. actually you can probably see that one is really, really dark. that one is pretty light. >> wait for the full five minutes. >> it's been a good five minutes. >> let him go. >> yes. >> you're good to go. >> thank you. >> this inmate's test came up clean but unfortunately for davon lymon, his came up dirty. >> just seems we've got a bunch of snitches. they get in trouble and they -- instead of taking the consequences like they should you know what i'm saying, they start to get everybody else involved. writing notes saying you're doing this, doing that. you don't got to be doing nothing but they're still going to get you. i got a dirty --
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i've been trying to fight it. so i don't know. >> what does that mean? >> they messed up on it. i will see if they will follow their policy and get rid of it. >> that means he's a dope fiend. >> you. >> davon may be laughing now but if found guilty he could lose his family visit. >> it's been less than one month since kevin blanco was extracted from his cell. >> go turn around, be restrained. chemical agents must be deployed into your cell. >> and only two days since the incident in the rec yard. >> give him another one.
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>> today he's acting out yet again. leaving prison staff no choice but to keep him in a 72-hour medical observation cell. >> put me in -- we had to take him out of his cell. took him down. go ahead strip down. when we approached his cell we will take inmate kevin blanco to the shower about 10:00. we opened the food port. he stuck his arm out of the food port and held it hostage until he said, please go get your goon squad. i'm not coming out until you get your goon squad and tried to reverse the role and try to break the system. and switch it back on us, you know? go ahead and strip down. >> i'm not going through this again. >> i know. but i'm going to stay if i knew i was going to come over here. y'all just going to do that [ bleep ]. >> you've done it before. i need you to strip.
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>> everything? >> you have to strip. if you're in there all day, i don't care. >> leave him in. he's not going anywhere. until you strip down you are going to stay right there. i'm not doing anything different than what we've done before. come out of the cell, you do your strip search. that's policy. that's what we always do. just do your strip search and it's over and done with. are you going to strip or not? >> after a 20-minute standoff blanco finally complies with the
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strip search but not without expressing his displeasure with the procedure. >> [ bleep ]. so if you guys want to come and do this, then let's get this [ bleep ] over with. [ bleep ] from this cell man. if now the guys come. let's do it. [ bleep ]. i'm done playing with you guys. >> got a little hurt there with his hands. throwing a tantrum. hitting the cage, but he'll be all right. next, blanco gets out of medical only to hold his cell hostage again. >> we're down to 14 now. >> and davon gets the verdict on his dirty drug test. >> the best-case scenario is they drop it. the worst-case scenario is they
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inmate davon lymon anxiously awaits to see if his dirty ua will be dismissed or not. a decision that will affect his pending family visit. >> i feel like i got in trouble. like i'm waiting for the principal. i really have no idea what's going on. >> what do you think is going on? >> a billion and one things. i'm in trouble. i'm not in trouble. when i went to do the ua, it came up positive. and i got upset and they took me to the cage and they let me out and i've been waiting for the report for almost a month. the best-case scenario would be to drop it. the worst-case scenario is they find me guilty and send me to
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the hole. i won't see my kids for how long i'm in the hole. >> you are waiting to see me? >> yes, ma'am. >> i have something important to tell you. that you need to go pack your stuff. you're found guilty of that report. i have a bed for you. >> all right. >> not really. >> they dismissed the report. >> okay. >> but i have my eye on you. you understand? >> yes, ma'am. >> i don't want to hear your name. i don't want to see your name on a piece of paper coming across my desk. i don't want to see you on a dirty ua, you understand me? >> yes, ma'am. >> all right. >> that wasn't, funny, though. i really thought i was going to go to the hole. i'm telling you i started sweating when she said i'm going to the hole. i'm going to sleep. i'm going to hide under my bunk they don't have to worry about me. no ticket this, no ticket that. i'm hiding. >> this is his one and only chance to straighten up or he needs to move.
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>> cleared of the dirty ua charge davon is granted his family visit. >> i got a little present for them for the fathers with readers. with a cd, a book and a picture. i read a story to him on the cd. so it'll give him something to listen to. and something to have fun with? i see my kids usually once every other week. and we'll just play, color, and just come see me. >> hi, daddy. >> what are you all doing? can i have a hug? that's their little present they have to look at. >> yes. that's book, tape. >> yeah, but you get another one. >> oh, cool. >> i'm supposed to get out hopefully around september of next year. i'll be getting ready to hit 30 years old. 29, 30 years old when i get out of the penitentiary. >> come on. >> how come you don't smile in the picture? >> you told me not to, remember? >> oh.
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>> i got some kids i got to raise. i've got make sure that they don't have to go through some the stuff that i went through. >> after blanco successfully completes 72 hours of medical, deputy warden jaramillo must decide whether he'll be returned to his cell. >> well, inmate blanco is still in medical. we're going to move him now to a different pod. i talked to him yesterday and he says he's going to conduct himself in a more appropriate level of behavior so we're going to move him to a different cell. i think he's done with his disruptive behavior, at least for the meantime. he's kevin blanco and next week it will be a different story but for this week i believe he's done. >> i get to be transported back to my cell. a cell is a cell. it's still going to be a box.
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i got like water and a sink and a toilet. >> how's it going today, kevin? >> it's going all right. >> you know what's going to happen today, right? >> not necessarily, no. >> we'll put you back in the cell. your 60 days will start. step two, do you understand that? >> yes. >> so based on our conversation yesterday should we expect any further problems from you? >> probably not. >> probably not? come on, give me a little bit more than that. >> i don't know. >> you don't know? do you have any questions about where you're going to be placed at? >> no. >> are you concerned with it? all right. well, just so that you're clear your time starts yesterday. >> all right. >> all right? that's it.
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>> that's it. >> all right. >> 15 minutes of fame. >> we're down to 14 now. >> giving direct orders. pull your hand back in the food port. back in a few minutes, i will let you think about it. i hope you decide to put your hands back in, okay? let's go for a few. >> gerald, i knew that you were right there. i knew you wouldn't leave.


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