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and it's out tomorrow. >> she did sound sexy with that god stuff. it's a little sexy. >> breathy is the word. >> i was thinking sexy, but breathy is okay. >> have the last word on our blog, follow my tweets and watch my new weekend morning show on msnbc this fall. "the rachel maddow show" is up next. good evening, rachel. >> chris, i hope you will forgive me if i say away from defining the difference between breathy and sexy. all the other dwarves, however, i'm very good on. >> well done, well done. >> thank you, chris, see you later. >> thanks. >> and thanks to you at home for staying with us for the next hour. whether or not political campaigns have a natural life span, campaign websites do not have a natural life span. campaign websites do not just die on their own. if you want them to die, you have to overtly kill them, and somebody forgot to kill tim pawlenty's presidential website. after a third place showing at the ames, iowa, straw poll this
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weekend, former minnesota governor tim pawlenty quit the race for president, he quit during an appearance on an abc sunday morning show called "this week," but if any of the 300 million americans who don't watch that show on any given missed the announcement and were still interested in tim pawlenty, you would not have known from the website today that mr. pawlenty had left the race. this is what tim pawlenty's official website, timpawlenty.com looks like right now. pawlenty 2012 and the big slogan, tomorrow begins today. >> our morning in america, our new beginning, our road to tomorrow begins today. right here, right now. >> tomorrow begins today. technically speaking, tomorrow ended yesterday for governor pawlenty. today even ended yesterday, but
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somebody maybe forgot to inform the webmaster as well as whoever tweets in mr. pawlenty's name. "congratulations to representative bachmann on her win, our campaign needed to show progress and we did. i'm eager for the campaign ahead." and then he quit. there will, in the end, be no campaign ahead for tim pawlenty. he is out of the race but whether or not you think tim pawlenty was going to win the nomination, whether or not you think tim pawlenty was going to win the presidency, tim pawlenty is out of the race for a reason that statistically speaking makes no sense. first of all, tim pawlenty initially said if he finished anywhere better than sixth at the ames iowa straw poll, he would see that as a victory and stay in the race. he ended up finishing third and dropped out anyway. second of all, the decision point for him here was the ames, iowa, straw poll. basing a decision about whether or not to continue a presidential campaign on the
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results of the ames iowa straw poll is like basing that kind of decision on who's going to win a game of bingo. if you can afford to play only one bingo card and you're playing against somebody else who just bought 50 bingo cards, the 50 bingo cards person is more likely to win. yes, there is some chance and maybe some skill involved, but listen closely. basically you need a first grader's knowledge of math. that's how the ames straw poll works. it costs money to vote, costs $30 to cast a ballot. some of the candidates who really want to win the ames iowa straw poll buy the ballots for people and then hand them out so the people to whom they hand out the ballots will vote for them. that's how you win the straw poll in ames, iowa. you spend money to do it. michele bachmann who reportedly won purchased 6,000 $30 tickets. her campaign bought the ballots and gave them out to people, a strategy that resulted in her
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getting 4,823 votes, which was first place. the iowa republican party also sells essentially real estate inside the straw poll. they sell real estate, they sell locations inside the straw poll to the highest-bidding candidate. the highest-bidding candidate for real estate at the straw poll was ron paul of texas. his campaign paid $31,000 for the best, best-placed, largest, most desirable booth location at the straw poll, and ron paul in correlation with his willingness to spend that kind of money at ames came in second in ames. he was just 152 votes behind michele bachmann. now, do those votes represent organic statistical votes among iowan republicans broadly speaking? maybe. bingo. but they also might just represent the fact that those two campaigns are good at winning a racket like this. and it is a racket. and actually the sort of
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refreshing thing about the ames, iowa straw poll are the people making money off this racket fully admit it is a rack designed to just make them money. after the second-ever ames straw poll in 1987, the finance director said "the iowa straw poll was devised as a fund-raising gimmick for the state party and nothing more than that." the current chair of the iowa federation of college republicans says the straw poll is "primarily a fund-raiser." so good for iowa republicans that they admit it and that they have figured out the way to make this money, makes a ton of money for their state party, and, frankly, good for the local community in ames, iowa, this fundraiser pumps a lot of money into the local economy, but based on the way the beltway media handles the ames straw poll, you might surmise that the ames straw poll has some predictive power, but seeing how people do at this
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pay to vote rigged bing get game will tell you who is going to win the iowa caucuses and who wins the presidential nomination. that's a great story line and justifies exciting coverage, it does not, however, happen to be true. every once in awhile it does happen, in 1999, george w. bush won the ames straw poll, then the iowa caucus, then the republican nomination but other than that, if you were looking to the straw poll to see how things were going to go, well, the republican party would have nominated mitt romney last time for president around and phil gramm in 1995 and pat robertson the time before that and george h.w. bush the year they nominated ronald reagan. bob dole tied in 1995 but by the time iowa voted again, phil gramm off his awesome tie for first place performance finished at 9% in the caucuses.
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nate silver at "the new york times" crunched the numbers on this historically today and found that performance in iowa does actually have some predictive value of how you're going to do in the overall nominating process if you are a democrat, but if you are a republican, it really doesn't matter. that means the straw poll, that means the caucuses, that means iowa. one of the reasons for that, well, while iowa democrats seem to be kind of like the rest of democrats across the country, iowa republicans seem to not at all be like the rest of republicans across the country. all that their stated iowa preferences tell you is what their stated iowa preferences are. and they like folks like pat robertson and phil gramm and this year, michele bachmann, they also like people who pay for their votes and feed them and hire good entertainment for them at ames to buy the votes. don't tell the people who make magazine covers or book the sunday shows about this, but iowa, iowa is largely irrelevant to republican presidential politics.
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we know who the democratic nominee is going to be, the incumbent president. the whole contest this year is about who the republican nominee is going to be, and for that question and that con tech, iowa doesn't matter almost at all, which makes it both sad that tim pawlenty got out of the presidential race because of how he performed at something this pointless and irrelevant, but it also makes you think maybe mr. pawlenty is getting what he deserves, since he staked his whole campaign for the presidency on somebody that everybody knows in advance is irrelevant. in any case, no matter why pawlenty got out, none of the other candidates will have tim pawlenty to forget to kick around this year. what does matter on the democratic side and republican side in presidential politics is this -- >> we can't afford to lose up to a million jobs in this country. construction workers are lining up to find jobs. ultimately the private sector is
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going to be creating jobs. we can get this economy going again. get the economy moving. putting people back to work. we've got to focus on growing this economy. that creates a lot of jobs. >> president obama today on the first day of his three-day bus tour, a bus tour that looks very much like him campaigning, as you can see there, even though the white house swears he is not campaigning, president obama talking at every turn about the single thing that actually is the most predictive thing in almost any presidential election, and that is the state of the economy, and that is why personalities and style and hype and gimmicks aside, that is why the entry of texas governor rick perry into the presidential race deserves to get as much attention as it is getting, and it frankly deserves to obscure the nonsense in iowa. while democrats would love for rick perry to run on his michele bachmann-style, pat robertson-style, mike huckabee-style, social krm conservative,
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religious conservative credentials, which he would have had to run on to compete in iowa, what rick perry has decided to run on instead is this. >> hope is on the horizon, not the empty rhetoric of hope, but a record that gives us hope. that leader, rick perry. america's jobs governor. >> america's jobs governor. that was rick perry's first campaign ad now that he's announced he's running, calling himself a job's governor. the biggest question in presidential politics right now is can rick perry credibly call himself that? can he credibly base his campaign on that? does he have an economic message about the economy and job creation that's going to resonate? you might recall i sacrificed a giant baloney on this show to make the case i do not think rick perry's economic claims and jobs claims bare up to scrutiny, but will his rivals be able to
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do that? but if he goes far enough towards the nomination, will the white house be able to call bologna on that message? and beyond that, it's not just that we as a country are upset and worried about unemployment and our economy, but we are also upset and worried about our future and about what we can count on in tough times that we are pretty sure are sticking around for awhile. here's the next presidential politics question, how big a deal can democrats make of the fact that rick perry says social security and medicare are unconstitutional and thus must be abolished? howard dean joins us next. with olay challenge that. new regenerist wrinkle revolution... relaxes the look of wrinkles instantly, and the look of deep wrinkles in 14 days. ready, set, smooth... regenerist. from olay. energy is being produced to power our lives. while energy developement comes with some risk, north america's natural gas producers are committed to safely and responsibly providing decades of cleaner burning energy for our country,
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remember how the republican party developed sort of a paul ryan budget problem when they all overwhelmingly voted to kill medicare with the paul ryan budget? democrats could not wait to remind everybody about that. well, texas governor rick perry may have that same paul ryan problem in a really, really big way. that's next.
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that's next.6 texas governor rick perry announced this weekend he's doing what everybody assumed he was doing anyway, he is running for president. beginning with the race for the republican nomination, rick perry not just tiptoeing around about running, now he is officially campaigning for president the old-fashioned way by actually running. if you want to find the real start of rick perry's presidential campaign, you might want to look here to his big book of big ideas, which was released in november 2010, just after the congressional elections. the book is called "fed up!" exclamation point because he's not just fed up
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with an m dash period or fed up space, he is fed, all caps, all caps, exclamation point. from page 49 of governor perry's book where he talks about the new deal, "certain programs massively altered the relationships with americans and their government, violently using aside any respect for our federal i federalism and unified government -- excuse me, limited government." the best example, he says, is social security. social security as a molotov cocktail bar barian throwing at the gate tossing aside the principles of our nation, at least before he officially became a presidential contender, rick perry was frank about his opinions on programs such as social security and medicare. last week, "the daily beast" dredged up the out-takes from a "newsweek" interview done with rick perry last fall, things that didn't seem interesting enough to make the first cut of the interview before he was running for president, that's how these things go, context is
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everything. but in the new context he is in of him running for president, here's what he had to say, "i don't think our founding fathers, when they were putting the term of general welfare in the constitution he means, i don't think they were thinking about a thinking about a federally operated program of mentions, nor a federally operated program of health care. they said those were issues that the states needed to address, not the federal government. i stand very clear on that." very clear in rick perry land, so we're doing this state by state. alabama, you can hand out vouchers for cat food and human portions, massachusetts, you can continue on with pensions for seniors and universal health care, as long as you can afford it, even though it's always been a national safety net before now, today we got a hint of the rick perry who wants to live in the white house has begun to realize that his ideas on these things might not be all that popular. at the iowa state fair, ben smith from politico.com asked
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perry about his not that old insistence that social security should be abolished federally so the states can take it over. any other delusion is unconstitutional exclamation point. that's his position as of less than a year ago in his all-caps titled book. but when asked about it today all of a sudden governor rick perry did not sound so rick perry about it anymore. >> there's time for having a conversation with the country about how we find some solutions to have programs that are going to be sustainable, and i think having the states doing it is one of the ways. i'm not saying it's the only way. >> the old rick perry wants to talk social security as a violent overthrow of the constitution. the new lick perry who's running for president wants to talk about stainability and many ideas, not just the ones he demanded last year when no one was listening, exclamation point.
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in joining the race, governor perry brings serious baggage from seceding from the union. but if rick perry does well as many are expecting him to do, if rick perry is still in this several months from now, you will know that democrats are winning against him if the race is not about religious convictions or social conservatism, but instead about rick perry's belief that social security and medicare are unconstitutional and must be taken apart. joining us now, howard dean, former governor of vermont and former chairman of the democratic national committee, governor dean, thanks very much for your time tonight. >> thanks, rachel. thanks for having me on. >> governor perry suggesting that social security and medicare are unconstitutional in addition to what i quoted in the intro, he also called them a ponzi scheme. this sounds to me the same sort of republican argument that's been a gift for democrats all year. do you see it that way? >> this is going to be interesting. although the interesting thing
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is you'd think this might appeal to the tea party, the problem is he's got some other problems, for example, he talks a lot about the jobs that were created in texas since he was governor. there have been a lot of jobs created, but texas created three out of four of all the jobs increased in the state work force, state workforce up 18% under rick perry, the supposed tea party candidate, it's really extraordinary, and the business of allowing the states to do whatever they please and if the state wants to get rid of social security, that's fine, but here's the record in texas, 22% of all children in texas have no health insurance, 22%, one of the worst in the country, so, you know, he's got a lot to answer for us, not just the stuff he said he's going to get in trouble for about social security and medicare, which actually most tea party people do not think should be cut. he's got some fundamental problems with whether he really understands what the federal government is supposed to do. >> i think back, though, on bill clinton running for the presidency in the early '90s, and the criticism of him from
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the right being, okay, you seem to be an interesting guy, a charismatic young governor that has a lot to offer in terms of the way he talks about the country, but look at arkansas, at the bottom of the list on so many national indicators, never never really seemed like that stuck as a complaint against bill clinton as a charismatic governor. can the complaints about texas, both in terms of its economy and its lifestyle and the way it fits into the country really do rick perry any harm? >> i think it can. i think if people -- the worst thing you can do in politics is be a hypocrite, and if you're talking about cutting the size of government and government's too big and we don't like social security and medicare and you find your workforce has gone up 18%, twice the rate private sector jobs went up, there's a lot of explaining to do, as they say in politics, so i do think that matters, jobs are going to be a big issue in this campaign, and if people think he created jobs by expanding the state work force, by the way, they have a $9 billion deficit, which is
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bigger than all but four states in texas. so they've got a lot of explaining to do. he's got a management problem on his hands. most governors don't have a management problem but it turns out texas is the weakest governorship in the country, the lieutenant governor presents the budget in texas and rick perry really has very little management experience. he's not really running texas. the governor of texas doesn't really run texas, the only state in the country that's true of. >> there's been two sort of schools of thought alt least in the pundit world about rick perry's entry into this race, one is he poses potentially the starkest threat to president obama, he offers a stark contrast and a style that's going to appeal to the republican electorate in a way that will provide a real challenge for the white house, the other school of thought is he's fred thompson. he seems really exciting because he's had no scrutiny. there's no reason that he sees a path to the nomination. do you ascribe yourself to either of those schools of thought? >> well, look, i think he could
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be a good candidate. he's a good politician, i think, he had terrible numbers the last time he ran, before this, when he beat bill white, and he still managed to escape if a four-way race with something like 38% of the vote. this time he came back and beat a, you know, good democrat or democratic candidate, mayor of houston, to win, although it was a right-wing year. so look, i've said, and i'll say it again, anyone who gets a nomination for their party, and i think he certainly koko certainly be president so i wouldn't write him off, but he has a lot of as they say explaining to do because of his inconsistencies and budget deficits in texas that haven't been dealt with. and because of the enormous workforce problems. >> governor dean, as a former dnc chairman, how do you feel democrats in the white house are doing so far in terms of positioning the president for his run and trying to turn around the people that will be most important for the success of the president's campaign?
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>> well, that depends on what happens in this debt deal which has got a time bock in it for everyone. if we raise the age limit, the democrats might as well mail it in. you have to stand up for core democratic programs. this ought to be fought on three things, this race, jobs is the biggest one and social security and medicare are the other two, and we should win on all of those. the leading republican candidates haven't really created any jobs, except in the state government in the case of governor perry. michele bachmann has certainly never created any jobs and has taken a whole lot of federal money in some of her husband and s she, her business stuff. mitt romney, with his experience, probably caused more jobs to be lost that what he did in bain capital than was gained. that will come out, depending on the nominee, so jobs, medicare, and the social security, we win. those are important issues to the american people,
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and i think we have a great shot to the election, you can't cut the daylights out of social security and medicare and expect the democrats to rally around you. >> howard dean, former governor of vermont. former chairman of the dnc. governor, thanks very much for your time tonight. always good to have you here. >> thanks for having me on. so actually restarting the economy is simple it turns out. all we need, everybody agrees, is one lousy alien invasion like from outer space. sci-fi economics may be our last hope, the evidence coming up. si. in here, the planned combination of at&t and t-mobile would deliver our next generation mobile broadband experience to 55 million more americans, many in small towns and rural communies, giving them a new choice. we'll deliver better service, with thousands of new cell sites... for greater access to all the things you want, whenever you want them. it's the at&t network... and what's possible in here is almost impossible to say.
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the president today started his three-day bus tour with the town hall event in minnesota, followed by one in iowa, and although these are not technically campaign events, you can hear him start to address not just the citizenry as a whole, which is almost always the implied audience for any remarks he makes as president, you can hear the president today also start to try to engage the people he needs to enthuse most about his campaign. you can hear him at these town halls today addressing not just the overall electorate that wants to see the president as reasonable and willing to talk and willing to be the adult in the room who wants to compromise, you can also hear him start to engage democrats, frankly, people who want to see the president take the fight to the republicans, who want to see a democratic president standing up and fighting for what he believes in and winning. listen. >> the point is something's
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happened in washington where we think that kind of compromise that we do every day in our own families with our neighbors, co-workers, friends, somehow that's become a dirty word, and that's got to change. that's got to stop. so -- [ applause ] >> we're going to choose country over party, we're going to choose the next generation over the next election. if we are willing to do that, then i have absolutely no doubt that we can get this economy going again, we can put people to work back again, small businesses can start growing again, but i'm going to need your help to make it happen. you've got to send a message to washington that it's time for the games to stop. it's time to put country first. but i want everybody to understand here that i'm not here just to enjoy the nice weather, i'm here to enlist you in a fight, we are fighting for the future of our country, and that is a fight that we are going to win.
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that is a promise that i make with your help. thank you very much, everybody. >> we are going to win, he says, we are going to win because i'm going to fight and you're going to fight with me, and also compromise is too much of a dirty word. it is tough to do both of those messages at once, right? just as it is tough to use the campaign slogan the republicans used against you in the last election, country first, as this year's rallying cry against the republicans. i don't say that's tough to do, because i mean ha it is wrong-headed or wrong, i literally mean the president's re-election campaign strategy appears to be to try to do something that is difficult, naming republican hypocrisy, calling them out for not going or acting in accordance with their stated ideals, also calling republicans out for blocking action to help the economy while also not trying to sound harshly partisan. this is hard, what the president appears to be trying to do. is the president rounding up all the allies he has available to
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okay, bear with me here, it has an excellent political point, but we have to go through
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a bad movie and a good book and a really old tv show until we get there but trust me, the arc is perfect. okay, in 2009, a movie was released that was based on the graphic novel "watchmen," it was an action movie, directed by the man who directed the movie "300," i don't mean it to be rude, but it was not a very good movie. do not, however, let it distract you from the fact the book on which the movie was based is a really good book, considered to be one of the first of the great full-length complicated dark graphic novels period. the backdrop of "the watchmen" is the nuclear threat of the cold war era, and one of our heros decides to save the world from nuclear war by convincing everybody that earth is under attack from aliens. his thinking is that all the people of earth are
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going to have to put aside the stupid things we fight about and unit to face down the alien threat. the editor of the graphic novel has talked about wanting to done that plot point entirely, the ending for the whole book. the author of "watchmen," the brilliant allen moore told "entertainment weekly" that while he was in the middle of writing "watchmen," he found out the same idea had been done and done very well in a 1963 episode of a tv show called "the outer limits." >> gentlemen, monday's near miss was a incident since the nuclear age began, so much as the nations on this earth are armedd against each other we're bound to have more such accidents, and eventually, soon, one must prove fatal. these nations must unite. we, we must make them unite. and. gentlemen, we can make them unite. >> and their idea for making the
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nations of the world unite is fake alien attack. earthlings need the threat of a fake alien attack in order to get us to do the right thing on earth. the comic's alliance blog wrote about this today and noted that the way allen moore got around this problem in "watchmen," that this plot point had been done before on "the outer limits" in 1963, the way allen moore got around it in "watchmen" is he put in a little hat tip in the book, randomly one of the characters happens to be watching the tv show, allen moore's way of saying he's not stealing from the tv show. he is paying homage to it. my favorite part about the idea that fake aliens can make real humans do the right thing, my favorite part is not just the bad movie in 2009 or the great graphic novel or the "outer limits" episode, my favorite thing about the idea is ronald reagan talked
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about it all the time. he raised the idea of a fake alien attack on earth frequently as president, i think, without ever knowing that he was being kind of cartoony in doing it. >> i couldn't help but in one point in our discussions privately with general secretary gorbachev when you stop to think that we're all god's children wherever we may live in the world, i couldn't help but think how easy his task and mine might be in the meetings we held if suddenly there was a threat to this world if some other species from another planet outside in the universe. we'd forget all the little local differences that we have between our countries, and we would find out once and for all that we are really all human beings here on this earth together. perhaps we need some outside universal threat to make us
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recognize this common bond. i occasionally think how quickly our differences worldwide would vanish if we were facing an alien threat from outside this world. >> imagine all the people in the u.n. there listening to that, like waiting for it to get translated into whatever language they're listen -- did he really -- could you retranslate -- did he say that in your language too? if only we were afraid of alien invasion, then we'd do the right thing. noble prize winning economist and "new york times" columnist paul krugman made a related argument this weekend for economic policy. krugman rarguing that the u.s. government needs to spend some money doing some stuff to employ people in order to stave off a double-dip recession, in order to get the economy going, we have to do it soon. he said, he argued on cnn this weekend, that if we had to invent a fake invasion of space aliens in order to get the government to do that, in order to motivate us to do some
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economically stimulative government activity, then fine, frankly, fake space aliens have been used for worse in the past. >> if we discovered that, you know, space aliens were planning to attack and we needed a massive buildup to counter the space alien threat and really inflation and budget deficits took secondary place to that, this slump would be over in 18 months. >> the fake aliens will save us. president obama for his part is out doing campaign-style bus tour events in the midwest today, tomorrow, and wednesday, talking about what everybody wants to talk about, which is the economy. so far he's making two essential points, neither about aliens, arguing republicans are trying to block any economic process and he is arguing that in order to get any economic progress, we are going to have to overtly do stuff as a government. >> congress right now could start putting people to work rebuilding america. at a time where interest rates are low, contractors are begging for work, construction workers are lining up to find jobs,
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let's rebuild america. we could be rebuilding roads and bridges and schools and parks all across america right now. could put hundreds of thousands of folks to work right now. there's a bill sitting in congress right now that would set up an infrastructure bank to get that moving, attracting private sector dollars, not just public dollars. congress needs to move. >> it's not men from mars, but does it take men from mars? or is the actual economic crisis that we are in motivation enough for some of the stuff to actually get done? joining us once again, ed rendell, our second former governor of the show tonight and our second former national democratic chairman, also an nbc contributor. thanks for being here. >> i'm absolutely stunned listening to that, rachel. my mind is boggled. >> you are being very, very
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diplomatic. you remind me of somebody confronted with a hideous child who says, madam, that's quite a baby. let me ask you, though, about this overall idea we need some sort of sense of political extremist, circumstantial extremist in order to justify doing something right now to create jobs. do you think that's true? >> i don't, and the reason i don't, rachel, is i think the american people want very much cutting across most ideological lines, they want to see common sense things that will increase jobs in america, put people back to work, put investment into our economy, and i don't think it's a stretch, i don't think we need outside aliens to attack us for that to be motivated. i think there's self-motivation here, they just want to see a commonsense approach and an approach that's likely to work. >> i think that you're right that the infrastructure stuff in particular that we heard the president talking about is popular, the polling bears that out.
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>> no question. >> even republicans like to talk about infrastructure in a popular way. but do you think the president and congressional democrats have a plan for turning the popularity of those things into political feasibility? >> well, the infrastructure bank is a great idea and the president deserves credit and he's funding it at the $30 billion level. that's very important, but that's going to take time to set up, to play out. it's important, and, you know, just last monday, building america's future, echoing what you've been saying on the air for a long time, said we've got to invest in our infrastructure for the long run, a ten-year program like almost every other developed nation in the world has done to really do big things and leave our infrastructure in great shape for future generations, but having said that, we can take infrastructure and do things that would put people to work in the next four months. if we passed the bill on october 1st, we could have people working when the march construction season starts on roads and bridges. we have 70,000 structurally
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deficient bridges in this country, the states and local governments don't have enough money to work on all them, half of them, or a quarter of them. we could do it and the president, all he has to do, is put in something that he liked during the transition when 50 governors met with him in philadelphia on december 1st, 2008, and that's lose it -- use it or lose it. meaning you give the states a certain time to have work underway. if they don't have work underway, the money is taken away and given to states who do. have work under way, so we've got to use infrastructure for the short-term impact and for the long-term impact, and there's other things we could do that would have a short-term impact as well, rachel. there are a lot of good ideas out there. >> do you think that what the president is doing on this bus tour, asking people to pressure congress, for example, we heard him today i'm trying to enlist you in a fight, he said, is that the sort of thing that's going to get that bill you were talking about passed? does that create pressure on republicans to pass something
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like that, particularly in the house? >> i think it can help, but it's not going to do it by itself. i think the program has to speak for itself and have commonsense things that don't cost a lot of money. let me give you another idea, americorps and vista. there are seven applications from high school graduates for every spot. for less than $1 billion we could create 60,000 jobs for high school kids, that's the demographic that needs jobs the most, by just filling up those slots, and by the way, our americorps and vista kids do great things in our neighborhoods. we have in fha and fannie mae and freddie mac, we have 300,000 foreclosured homes that belong to those three federal agencies, sitting there waiting for someone to buy them. it's not going to happen in this market. fix them up, spend money fixing them up, it will put a lot of construction workers to work and rent them to families and use the rental income to offset the cost of the money to fix them up. you know that part of the most successful part of the stimulus
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was, of course, cash for clunkers, but there was also a great rebate for buying energy efficiency appliances and weatherizing your homes, that was sold out. let's put it back into place right now, october 1st, it will create a lot of new activity and jobs and do good for the country, so there are a lot of good ideas out there, and if he spells it out and shows the price tag, people are going to look up and say you mean we could create those decent jobs for "x"? let's do it. and i think the momentum -- the republicans then would have a choice, rachel, do it and get the country moving again or explain why not. and i think jobs, explaining why you're not for a jobs bill is going to be harder than debt limit and deficit reduction. >> i'll tell you, the more people i talk to about what's economically feasible right now, the more people are zeroing in on what you're saying which is getting granular, get specific, talk about specific programs here.
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makes them harder to say no to. >> think about that, 60,000 high school students, the biggest unemployed demographic we have in the country put to work doing good things for the country. >> ed rendell, former pennsylvania governor, former dnc chairman, former msnbc contributor, thanks for joining us tonight, sir, appreciate it. >> fan of aliens. >> fan of aliens, see, he's on their side. prepare for the mail, sir, it's going to be overwhelming, trust me. all right, thank you. the billionaire coke brothers have grown famous in the past couple of years for throwing freeshgishly large amounts of money for conservative causes. reportedly they're hip deep in the resegregation of public schools or at least the deintegration of public schools. ed schultz has the details after this show on "msnbc tonight," and heres there is the best new thing in the world which involves ruining the day of a bunch of neo-nazis. that's what happened to t-shirts since they started putting rings around the sleeves.
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now that tim pawlenty quilt, they're seek his endorsement. so it wasn't that big of a surprise that governor rick perry placed a personal calm to
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the former governor and called him permanently even though we're probably never look back in awe at the great tea paw endorsement bump of 2012. he was widely anticipated to be a top tier candidate and he set up his campaign staff early. that early start and high hopes helped him attract high professional staff. what happens to those now that there's no campaign? what happens to those staffers? who are really some political spoils that might mean something in a republican campaign, well, we'll have to see. if you were a top pawlenty staffer where would you go now? tim paw len city's top staffer in the first in the nation primary has decided to sign up with jon huntsman.
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pigeonhole, ron paul. after a shockingly strong showing when he ran in 2008 a lot of elements of his political message got co-opted over the past four years by other republican candidates this time around criticizing the federal reserve, arcane and elaborate ideas about policy and leave me alone rhetoric while being big government when it comes to abortion. a lot of others have developed ron paulisms. but what he has been getting cheers for and what he seems to be connecting on is bring the troops home. bring the troops home, end the wars now, isolationism that's always part of his message. jon huntsman who picked up a top pawlenty staffer from new hampshire is the only other candidate other than ron paul
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