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[ laughter ] >> be sure the pizza has an old fly in it. >> i didn't spend money on robotic things. i spent money on video games. >> we played pole position and go beep. we'd go fast around the track. man, it was a good game. >> we got good evening, americans. welcome to "the ed show" from new york. the 99% movement is one month old and it is caused a massive shift in american politics.
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but it can't stop now. this "the ed show." let's get to work. >> i, for one, am increasingly concerned about the growing mobs occupying wall street. >> the 99% movement has republicans changing their tune. >> we agree that there is too much income disparity in this country. >> tonight, van jones, joan walsh, mike papantonia on the one-month anniversary of occupy wall street. >> the liberals will destroy this country. >> herman cain isn't buying off the claim that liberals are out to destroy america. steve kernaki and joe watkins are here. before there was wall street, there were the protests in madison. is scott walker the man who started the 99% movement? we'll ask the head of the wisconsin professional firefighters, maylon mitchell. hope you had a great weekend, folks. great to have you with us. the occupy wall street movement
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captured the attention of america one month ago tonight. now the global movement for economic justice has washington's full attention, i'd say. this weekend the 99% protesters filled the streets in over 800 american cities and over 82 different countries. the obama campaign says it will make the 99% platform a central tenant of this re-election strategy. and republicans are running scared. for the last month republicans have vilified the 99% movement. exactly ten days ago house majority leader eric cantor sounded the alarm at the value voters conference. >> i, for one, am increasingly concerned about the growing mobs occupying wall street and the other cities across the country. >> now is that what he's saying today? he has done a complete 180 on the middle class mob. and now claims to have a plan to
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solve the record income gap in america. >> we agree that the economy is woefully, woefully weak. we believe that everyone ought to be lifted up. >> you have heard any republicans talk about income disparity? i think that this wall street movement has got these folks on the run. for kantor to claim republicans want to lift everyone up is a joke. they've never offered any policy that would support that. in fact, the last ten years of republican economic policy is exactly why the rich have been richer and the other 99% demanding justice. the republican party's tax cut at all cost religion has destroyed the american dream for millions of americans. eric cantor's prescription to solve the income gap is just more of the same. >> we know in this country right now that there is a complaint about folks at the top end of the income scale.
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they don't make enough. we need to vote and encourage those at the top of the income scale to actually put their money to work to create more jobs so that we can see a closing of the gap. you know, we're about income mobility. and that's what we should be focused on to take care of the income disparity. >> you know, i thought the bush tax cuts took care of all of that mr. cantor. i thought if you don't raise taxes on the job creators, you don't have to worry about anything. he wants to encourage the job creators by lowering their taxes again. this time by 10%. tax hikes for the rich. been on the slide the last 50 years. the middle class is picking up the tab. eric cantor's income gap solution would make those numbers even worse. tonight kantor says he'll take an income gap, dog and pony show on the road. the majority leader is planning a major speech at a school in philadelphia this friday. president obama is already on the road pushing his jobs plan.
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the president is on a three-day bus tour which will put him in kantor's home state of virginia later this week. today president obama hammered the republicans, their plan down in north carolina. >> turns out the republican plan boils down to a few basic ideas. they want to gut regulations. they want to let wall street do whatever it wants. they want to drill more and repeal health care reform. >> president obama is still pressuring the republicans to pass portions of his jobs bill that was blocked by republicans in the senate last week. independent economists, not my economists, but independent economists have said this jobs bill would create nearly two million jobs. but apparently none of this matters to the republican
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in the senate. because last week they got together to block this bill. >> and on sunday, cantor made it clear republicans in the house won't compromise with the president's economic approach. >> since the president has taken office, there's been 1.6 million jobs lost in the private sector. and there are 4.5 million foreclosures. obviously his economic plans are not working. >> and that representative you just saw on the screen is completely intellectually dishonest about president obama's record on private sector job growth. the job loss happened in the first 12 months of president obama was digging us out of the ditch that bush created. president obama's stimulus led america to 19 straight months of private sector job growth. so, once again, i ask the question tonight here on "the ed show," how much more evidence do you need? the obstruction continues. we're seeing a shift i talked
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about at the top. president obama is ready to really embrace the occupy wall street crowd and make that the central part of his re-election campaign. that's all good news. off track is eric cantor. he is saying i guess we have to get the wealthy people and encourage them to create jobs. after we've given them all the breaks. they just haven't done it. which just goes to show that their trickle down economic theory, it's never worked and it never will. get your cell phones out. i want to know what you think. which movement is stronger, the 99% movement on the tea party? text a for 99%, text b for the tea party. we'll bring you the results later on. joining me now is van jones, president and co-founder of
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rebuild the van, good to have you with us tonight. does eric cantor have a clue how close the income gap is? >> he does. first of all, you said what's bigger than the tea party or occupy wall street 99% of the tea party base should be on occupy wall street as well. that sound you hear is the ice cracking all around the republican party. it is completely redrawing the boundaries. it has broken through in a big way in one month's time. >> what should the reaction of the obama re-election campaign mean? >> i think what you're seeing right now, you now have two big fights in the country. you have this big peaceful nonviolent movement, that is challenging wall street saying you would get your boot off the
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neck of the american people? wall street was responsible for the recession. now they're holding up the recovery. they won't give students a break with their loans. they won't give homeowners a break. they won't give small businesses and farmers loans. wall street is the main culprit. you got a mass movement in the streets trying to deal with. that and now the president opened up a fight in congress over jobs. the two big issues in america, you have a mass movement in the streets trying to deal with the banks. you've got the president leading the charge in congress over jobs. and the republicans are on the wrong side of both. this is a big deal. a big deal. i hope that the campaign pays attention to the fact that the most popular thing in america is a bunch of young folks and struggling folks in sleeping bags out there and they speak for millions. they do represent the 99%. >> there the ones staying overnight. the ones i saw out there, it crosses all demographics and it's pretty amazing all the professions as well. but how does the obama campaign in your opinion capture, recapture this emotion and turn
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this into a political victory? and do you think the 99% people are going to vote? >> listen, i think what's happening right now is that for so long progressives, liberals, we built the movement trying to chase the white house, trying to chase washington, d.c. please listen to us. we got called retards. we got called all kinds of stuff. this movement is a movement that d.c. has to chase. we all have to chase this movement. if the white house says we hear the students. they are not getting their graduating $100,000 worth of debt, no jobs, praying to get an unpaid internship. we hear you. we hear you, homeowners. if the administration starts taking on this cost, not just rhetorically but putting forward real ideas, i think you could completely redraw the map. i don't think it's about, you know, democrats trying to co-op this movement. we should let the spirit of the
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movement co-op the republican party and the democratic party. it's the best thing in america right now. >> van jones, appreciate your time. let's turn to joan walsh. editor at large of and mike papantonio. joan, it would seem to me that this really sets the table for walsh to run against congress. i mean there are so many avenues he can follow right here. the angst in the country and he's the one out there advocating the simple thing of jobs. what do you make of it. >> i want to point to the president taking a much more populous line even before occupy wall street. so he deserves credit on that front for sure. at the same time, ed, occupy wall street has done what we have not as the rest have been able to do for generations. i love hearing van say that, you know, occupy wall street should co-op the democrats.
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i know there is a lot of fear about just becoming another appendage of a democratic party. so i think that role for a lot of us right now should be listening and paying attention and dialogue rather than saying you guys have to vote. you have to vote for obama. i'm taking a kind of curious wait and see posture. i think the things that happened is in ten days really is that eric cantor now sees that occupy wall street is more popular with the american people than the tea party. this man who is mr. tea party is running away from the tea party and running to occupy wall street. you cannot call them an angry mob anymore. >> what does this mean? everybody's going to get thrown out in november? everybody has problems. democrats, republicans. >> you know the good thing for the democrats though is when you take republicans and equate with wall street more than it does the democrats equating to wall
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street, that's a huge advantage for the democrats. they need to play that out. obama has been given a free shot here, ed. he's been given a free shot to rail against the republicans. and every time an irrelevant light weight republican type like eric cantor starts talking stupid talk, it failed us for two decades now. americans are gagging on this republican talking point that billionaires or patriots who care about job creation. if we let them get away with their tax scams, if we let them get away with the tax shelter, they're going to take that money and give it to the american working public. we've seen it to the point that there are 14 million americans out of work under the old republican program. the old bush cut the tax, cut the regulation program. we've seen it. but eric cantor is such a car toon character but he can't help prepare the stupid talking points while we speak.
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while that's going on, his job creators, ed, are sitting there with three trillion dollars in cash that they're refusing to give to the american economy to put people back to work. they have billions off shore that they now want to negotiate with the american taxpayer. >> there's no doubt they're all into it. but this seems to be territory, joe, where politicians aren't welcome no matter who they are. you could find democrats in congress who are for universal health care and who didn't want the wall street bailout and want jobs. yet i don't see any of the democrats down there embracing this crowd other than doing interviews every now and then. what about that? >> i would like to see more democrats approaching as they would have to approach in the spirit of humility really and spirit of learning and curiosity. as mike says, there's a lot more commonality between what at least progressive democrats want
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and what occupy wall street wants. there are areas of overlap. i think there are a lot of people down there who feel burned. we had a lot of young people come out and vote in 2008 who really voted for change. they didn't see change. instead, they have unbelievable debt. so i think -- i'd like to see more politicians down there. i love what the unions have been doing. they're going down there and asking questions. they're helping. they're not giving orders. that's what's going to happen in the next few months. they have to figure out how to work with this movement and begin to champion some of the causes like student debt relief and homeowner relief. there are really practical things we can do, ed, that will stimulate the economy and also liberate the 99% of the debt. and that's what this is about. >> quickly, mike, if 4.5% unemployment, does that mean this protest isn't taking place? everything changes when you got a job. >> i think this takes place for a lot of different reasons.
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they want money out of politics. that's what it comes down to. money out of politics is number one on their list. >> joan welch and mike papantonio, always a pleasure. answer tonight's question there at the bottom of your screen. we want to know what you think. coming up, the explosion of the occupy wall street movement around the country and around the world. we'll also go back to madison, wisconsin, where many believe the 99% movement started. and later, herman cain destroys a john lennon song but he says liberals are out to destroy america. you're watching "the ed show." [ junior ] i played professional basketball for 12 years. today i own 165 wendy's restaurants. and i get my financing from ge capital. but i also get stuff that goes way beyond banking. we not only lend people money, we help them save it. [ junior ] ge engineers found ways to cut my energy use. [ cheryl ] more efficient lighting helps junior stay open later... [ junior ] and serve more customers. so you're not just getting financial capital... [ cheryl ] you're also getting human capital. not just money. knowledge.
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senator john mccain, today on the senate floor, he said that president unfairly criticized the republicans job plan. but what bothered mccain the most was the bus the president was riding in.
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>> the president's made these remarks on a taxpayer paid for riding in a canadian bus. and i must say again, i've never seen an uglier bus than a canadian one. he's traveling around on a canadian bus touting american jobs. >> senator mccain, you're a little late to the party. your fellow republicans were whining about the canadian bus two months ago. as we said then, the secret service chooses the manufacturer, not the president of the united states. president bush was on a bus made by the same canadian manufacturer in 2004 on a tour called, yes, america can. senator mccain, it must be tough defending the party so incredibly lacking in good ideas. get an idea, dude, will you? it ain't the bus. when we come back, occupy the world. the movement goes global next. c.
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occupy wall street has already dwarfed the tea party. the 99% movement now spans 82 countries over five continents. protesters in london are settling in after the third day. there are demonstrations in france, italy and germany and we over here, what does all this mean? in sidney, the banners look very familiar. we are the 99%. there were protests in asia and latin america this weekend. here in new york, thousands of
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protesters flooded times square. and in washington, at the dedication of dr. martin luther king monument, king's daughter said her father stood for racial and economic justice. >> when he was galvanizing poor people from all walks of life to converge on this nation's capital and stay here and occupy this place until there was change in the economic system and a better distribution of wealth. we should never adjust to the 1% controlling more than 40% of the wealth. >> let's bring in the editor and publisher of "the nation" magazine. they take a special look at the movement. tell us about that. >> i was in bloomington, indiana this past weekend and to sit there and watch what was happening around the globe and around this country gives a sense of the scale and scope of what's going on. we are no longer the tea party nation. we're no longer a tea party world. i was reminded of something that in -- on the eve of the run up
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to the war in iraq, there was a sense of the other superpower. millions of people in this country and around the world saying they wanted a different world. and occupy wall street across this country, across the world captured the imagination. and in coalition with other groups, it is super charging. what you know, what you think has been happening in this last year from madison to ohio to washington to spain, we're seeing a world that understands there is a real deficit is not with the austerity class is telling us. it's a democracy deficit. it's a deficit of jobs. it's a deficit of dignity for working people and it's a deficit when 99% of the people in this world in this country are not getting what they rightly work for and need. >> it's been a month. how long will it go? is this going to go through the election? is this going to go until there's real change?
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dl are things coming up. >> absolutely. >> you've got the tax issue in new york which is going to be in front of the assembly on december. what is this? >> occupy wall street, a protest is powerful because of the moral demands, the moral issues. not this specifics of the agenda. but what it's doing as i said, super charging the work. whether it's fighting for mortgage relief or student debt, medicare for all, other groups in arduous turmoil in this country doing this for months if not years. it's giving them the lift. it's that coalition, ed. occupy wall street may not issue demands. i believe that power does not conceive without demands. other groups, and now entering the political gravity of the landscape is an issue. we were talking about president
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obama. elizabeth warren, i mean in massachusetts, is channeling in ways this language. >> was she the model right now on how to capture on this? >> as a candidate. >> yeah. but i mean okay, let's take someone who wants to lead. who wants to be in public service. someone who wants to do the work of the people, the populous. how do you gather these folks to say you're the one we want? >> you know, change in this country, ed, has come back through energized people from below. fused with people inside like an elizabeth warren, those in the caucus who have a people's budget. that is when change comes about. but it's also when you have a country in desperate need. you need to find ways to channel the issues that you know have been consumed to talk of deficits and debt, manufacture crisis.
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i think the political space is now open. the media is finally paying attention to other movements. it is all tea party until now. it did a disservice to people in this country. you travel this country. there are good, decent people trying to find a way in this country and are getting represented. working america is the afl affiliate which organizes nonunion workers in more places. it recruited 25,000 people in the last week because of the visibility of occupy wall street. it's interesting. it's white working class. why are people in ohio, wisconsin, they're looking at the issues. and the right-wing is going to focus the backlash will be ferocious. they're going to fix on people's clothes and music. what we need to focus on is the real deficit in this country of jobs and democracy. and stay focused. fuse it. this is where my colleagues will disagree. you have to have the movement energy. you have to have the electoral energy. you have to have the short term and you have to have the long term. and the short term you need to
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do deep reform. in the long term, what's really broken in this country is the system but not in the way the media tells us. >> i bet in bloomington, indiana, you ran into the attitude of it's about time. >> it's about time. that's what i'm hearing. it's about time somebody stand up and do something. and people are amazed that this is continuing to grow. it's exciting times. i was 14, 15 years old when all the demonstrations were going on with the vietnam war. you think okay, they're over with. and then there is another one next week. and it shaped policy. >> that's right. >> it shaped policy in this country. >> and what has shaped our history. but it's movements to find their time and their place. and how it evolved will be -- it's unknown. it is reshaping the country. >> look forward to your work in the future. thank you for joining us tonight.
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mike huckabee thinks it's hilarious to deceive voters. during a speech in ohio, he offered advice on how to prevent the repeal of the senate bill five. >> make a list of ten family members, ten friends, ten neighbors, ten folks you work with or have in the past and ask are you going to vote on issue two and are you going to vote for it? if they say no, well, you just make sure that they don't go vote. let the air out of their wings. tell them the election has been moved to a different location. >> they think voter suppression is a joke. a lot of republicans are serious about it. this year the ohio legislature passed a law reducing the number of days for early voting.
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the pro issue 2 group, building a better ohio, deceptively edited a television commercial of a great mother distorting her position. fair election groups have fought back preventing the early voting law from taking effect this year and forcing the anti-union folks to pull the commercial. but ohio isn't the only place where republicans are playing dirty. 21 other states have introduced or passed legislation making it harder for people to vote.d the disproportionately target democratic voters. republicans aren't confident about the issues. so they're trying to suppress the voters. huckabee talked about voter suppression had what thinks party to prevent people from voting is sleazy psycho talk. herman cain says liberals are on a mission to destroy america. two guests weigh in on that. and months before the 99% occupied wall street, there was a thing that happened in wisconsin that was surrounding governor scott walker's
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hmmm [ male announcer ] for half the calories -- plus veggie nutrition. could've had a v8. they're trying to destroy this country. >> that was herman cain. he needs toint duction. toss it out, red meat out of a crowd of right-wingers in february. but now that cain is a gop front-runner, i'm sure he's adopting a more reasonable and responsible tone. here he is on "meet the press." >> you think liberals seek to do that. that is their mission to destroy the economy? >> that's the conclusion i have drawn. >> not mismanagement. it is their mission. >> it is their mission. they do not believe in a stronger america in pi opinion. yes. >> yep. the gop front-runner believes that liberals are purposely destroying the economy because we do not believe any stronger america. and it just doesn't end there. according to an op-ed he wrote last december, liberals are to
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blame for the death of jesus christ. until recently, his polling numbers allow him to get a pass on all of his positions and opinions. here's cain talking immigration last summer. >> there would be a 20 foot wall, barbed wire, electrified on top. and on this side of the fence i'd have a mote. and i would put alligators in that mote. >> cain later claimed that using alligators to protect america was just a joke. well, over the weekend cain proved he has a bunch more serious plan for border security. no alligators this time around. >> part of it will have a real fence. it will be 20 feet high with barbed wire. electrified with a sign on the
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other side that says it can kill you. it will be in english and spanish. >> joining me now is steve kernaki from good to have both of you with us. i want to play this. once again, cain claimed he was just joking. here's his response. >> that's a joke, david. it's a joke. that's a joke. >> that's not a serious plan? >> no, it's not. >> and today cain met with sheriff joe arpaio. steve, is this a joke or is it not a joke? will the real herman cain stand up on how to protect the country's borders. >> when you get to the core, it's a really shrewd campaign strategy. whether he's joking deep inside or getting at underlying truth about what he really thinks, it's a really good strategy. i'll tell you why.
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the whole story of the republican race has come down to can the conservatives find that one candidate who they can rally behind? a conservative activist and base to go after mitt romney. one of the things that distinguishes the mitt romney running this year from the mitt romney that ran four years ago is this year's mitt romney is taking a front-runner strategy. very conservative on paper still. but he's refusing to throw all the red meat out there like he was four years ago. he's afraid it's going to haunt him in the general election. there is an opening for that conservative that is willing to say all the things romney said four years ago times 100. >> joe watkins, do you agree with republican front-runner when he says that liberals are on a mission to destroy this country? i mean i know a lot of elected officials. and they are absolutely in a gut wrenching position right now with our unemployment the way it
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is trying to create jobs. and then here comes this guy on a platform on national television quite often saying that liberals want to destroy the economy. where are the republicans on this comment? >> i think herman cain is a very smart candidate. no mistake that he is leading the field right now or at least tied for first place. he realizes where he is. he's in a republican primary. most of the primaries around the country are closed primaries. only republicans get those primaries. he has really carved out a place for himself with his plain speaking. some of what he says is very controversial, of course. clearly i have friends who are both liberals and democrats and conservatives and republicans and people who are everything in between. i have love in my heart for everybody. i know a lot of the elected officials who are democrats along with republicans care about the country and want to move the country forward. they have indeed very, very difficult decisions to make in the weeks going forward. my heart goes out to them all and my hope is that they'll do the right thing. >> liberals on a mission to destroy the country? the country's economy?
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isn't that over the top rhetoric? >> well, it's strong rhetoric coming from a plain spoken man who doesn't shy away from controversial statements. he doesn't want to offend people. he went so far to say he was sorry he offended some people by defense. and that he really is sensitive to that. he knows what it is to have people speak in an unflattering way toward him. but at the same time, he is very plain spoken. he realizes that not everything he says is popular. >> i mean he's throwing raw meat out. there he knows it's going to play well. he knows what's going to poll well. gentlemen, there is a new study out that shows under cain's 9-9-9 plan, warren buffett wouldn't play any taxes. >> what's interesting with this plan is first of all if he ever got the nomination, if he was ever a republican nominee running at all, can't believe they would rather run against what herman cain put on the table. this thing is really the
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definition of regressive. you talk about 9% sales tax and telling every working class person in the country, you know, you're now responsible for paying a brand new tax. the other thing that i'm picking up on is even i think some republicans or conservatives get the political danger here. when i noticed is even on the right there is a lot of talk here that maybe we shouldn't go quite this quar. >> you have to consider this is a plan. plans can be unchanged. most plans are not perfect. this one is not perfect. but it's a good idea to think about having a flat tax, a simplified tax code. others thought about simplifying the tax code. >> i mean he's trying to say that math works out. he's trying to sat math works out and it simply doesn't. >> you need work on the plan to make the math work the way you want it to for everybody. it's a federal plan. it would impact different states differently.
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some states have no sales tax and other states do. this is a plan that could be amended and put together to work for america. it needs some work. no plan introduced by a president goes forward as it is. it's submitted by members of congress who add and detract from it. >> mission accomplished for his campaign. he has people talking about 9-9-9. that's what it's all about. >> he does. >> i think his relationship with the koch brothers is something we have to bring you back and talk about. good to have you with us tonight. mitt romney claims he's looking out for the middle class. wall street millionaires think he's looking out for them and are rewarding him for it. i'll have that next. ♪ [ female announcer ] have you ever seen a glacier while sunbathing? why not? have you ever climbed a rock wall in the middle of the ocean? or tried something really wild? why not? it's all possible in the nation of why not. royal caribbean's floating nation
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for months mitt romney has tried to convince campaign crowds he's an average american. >> i don't worry about the top 1%. i don't stay up worrying that we have to help them. i'm not worried about that. they're doing just fine by themselves. i worry about the 99% in america. it's not those at the low end or those in the high end. it's for the great middle class, the 80% or 90% of us in this country.
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>> well, maybe i should also tell my story. i'm also unemployed. >> us. did he say us? yes, middle class mitt. just your regular unemployed worker. he likes to take pictures of himself with subway sandwiches like the regular folk do. and he poses with flight crews of discount airlines like southwest where everyone flies coach. but this is the photo romney probably regrets taking. here's millionaire mitt with his buddies at bane capital in the early 90s. they would buy companies like american pad and pen and then pocket more than $100 million from the investment to turn a profit. they would put hundreds out of work and drove the stock price so low the company went bankrupt. this is one reason why wall street donors gave romney five times as much campaign money as president obama since this spring. wall streeters know a guy who looks out for them when they see one. even if the guy pretends he's just an average joe with a net worth of $250 million.
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tonight the question i asked you, which movement is stronger, the 99% or the tea party? 90% of you say the 99% are stronger movement. 10% say the tea party. now how -- come on, you 10%ers out there. there are protests around the globe! coming up, before occupy wall street, protesters took to the streets of wisconsin to fight for the middle class. now wisconsin unions are using the momentum to recall the man occupying their state capital. stay with us. give me voice co. applications up. check my email and text messages. hands in position.
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dividing wisconsin and ordered to advance the corporate agenda and pay back his wealthy friends who can't afford to continue to put the super rich among the 99%. and the president and service employees union health care wisconsin said walker's policies add to the real cause of our revenue problem. joining me now is maylon mitchell, president of the professional firefighters in wisconsin. mr. mitchell, good to have you with us tonight. do you see a connection between the 99% move and the anti-walker movement to recall him? is there going to be some energy captured there? what do you think? >> well, ed, thanks for having me on again. there is a definite connection. what we saw in between february and still current to this day in state of wisconsin is basically 50 years, 55 years of labor
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peace being taken away with one effect. and here in wisconsin, we said, no. we said hell no. we're not going to sit by and let this happen to us. the middle class are standing up. and what you're seeing if you relate that with occupy wall street, people are not going to sit by and let this happen to us. the middle class has to stabbed up. we're rising again. right now we're seeing the communism of millionaires. we can't take it. i mean you're seeing corporate greed outweigh decent american values. all we ask for, a decent wage, decent hours, decent working conditions and a living wage that people can live. right now you have wall street sitting at $1.4 million. that is not acceptable to the american people. >> governor walker says the union busing bill will create jobs. the unemployment rate in wisconsin has gone up to 6% in the last six months z that prove he is way off base and will it fuel the recall? >> way off base.
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the measures we have in february showed that. he promised 250,000 jobs in his four-year tenure. we haven't had any job increase. we didn't need jobs in january i guess. now we immediate jobs. and this is just wrong. and you talk about occupy wall street. we live in the united states of america. everybody should have a decent chance at the american dream. it doesn't feel like the united states of america. it feels like united corporations of america and that's what we have to change it. people are speaking out. we didn't start this fight. that's what they're sig right now. >> i mean it just continues to follow this guy. he promised to pay for a state pension as soon as he took office. since he wanted workers, of course, to do the same.
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it turns out he didn't start paying it until august after the law went into effect. what does it tell you about this guy? >> that's another campaign promise that has gone by the way side. there are many campaign prices that people voted for. i have to tell you, unfortunately 39.6 members of our union members voted for governor walker. we have to look in the mirror as well. it's our fault. but now we woke up. it took him to reinforce our membership. >> you have 39% of the folk in wisconsin voted for this guy. i hope the light bulb has gone on with him. he has a lot of money. when are the commercials going to start showing up in wisconsin? >> we'll see. with the recall elections, he can garnish an insurmountable amount of money. we can't really out fundraise him. but we have the people. that's one thing we have. we have the people. people right now are united. people are ready to take back their government in our state. >> maylon mitchell, thank you so much. always a pleasure. good to have you with us tonight.


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