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republicans and democrats had supported. if they had taken the steps i was pushing for, when so many people are pounding the pavement and sending out resumés, congress can't just sit on their hands, so my message is, let's get to work -- let's get to work. >> let's get to work, let's get affordable loans for students. that's hard to object to, right? >> wrong. gop leadership ask for president obama to cancel this event saying he should be in washington helping them get to work. >> once again, he will use students as props in yet another expertise calling on congress to act. >> they should be here working with us to ensure they won't double. >> oh, okay, he should be working with you, speaker boehner. what student loan jobs bill are you working on today?
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that's right, you're working on neither. the gop house just passed the 30th bill to dismantle the president's health care law. that makes sense because you know what they say, if at first you don't succeed, try 29 more times. their refusal to get serious about jobs is astounding, but guess who willard blames? >> three and a half years in as president, with people out of work, he has not put forward a plan to get us working again. >> has not put forth a plan? guess you weren't one of the over 31 million americans that listened to president obama sell his jobs plan before congress. i guess you also missed this. >> the purpose of the american jobs act is simple. to put more people back to work and more money in the pockets of those who are working.
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>> congress needs to pass this bill. >> congress should pass this bill knows that every proposal is fully paid for. this bill will keep cops on the beat and firefighters on call. >> joining me now is congressman emanuel cleaver. congressman cleaver, thank you for coming on the show tonight. >> good to be with you. >> let me ask you, calling for jobs, pushing for affordable student loans, why is there so much push back from the other side? >> he has been pushing for a job's bill since he got into office, and because of the partisan ship we see here in washington, and there has been no response on the heal to what he put forward. with the student loans it's the same thing. we're facing the doubling of the
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student loans, and at a time that everybody understands that by 2018, 63% of all of the jobs made available will be made available for those with posthigh school education. so the president is working hard, congress on the other hand is dealing in partisan games manship. and doing so in an election year at the expense of the american republic. millions of people are without jobs today simply because the people on the who have jobs are not working to create jobs. >> now speaking of that, speaker boehner they keep getting on the president for not being in washington. look at the hypocrisy of this. the house is preparing for their 9th long recess this year despite that nancy pelosi said she wanted them to keep the
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house in session. this is on the heels of politico wrote that cantor predicted 2012 is substantially over. so all of this president coming back to work with us is posturing and position. >> this is not serious about trying to get anything done. and on top of that, governor romney has said if he wins, and i don't think he will, but he says if he wins, he does not want congress to do anything in the lame duck session, which means from november to january, nothing should happen, he said, because he wants to be able to come in and deal with the issues in his own fashion. this is absolutely asinine. it's not like people are not being impacted. there are people hungry, walking
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the streets looking for jobs, and we're doing nothing. the legislation that's been approved from the house has been sent over to the senate. and everybody over here knows, the need media understands those pieces of news legislation are not going anywhere. they do nothing and they're not going anywhere. >> you used the term asinine, they passed a measure to prohibit light-bull standards. they were first signed into law by president bush. this is ridiculous. >> yeah, this is a war on ligh - bulbs. people are out in the world trying to field their families and we're fighting light bulbs and republican light bulbs at that.
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and i supported president bush when he put this forward. but you know, the reality is that we're not serious about doing anything here on this hill right now. it's a political season, and i think people are afraid that if anything moves that's positive, it may be a benefit to president barack obama. we know that is almost a sin on capitol hill. >> we're not against light bulbs, but a couple of million jobs with the light would not hurt. thank you for joining me tonight. joining me now is wes moore, best selling author of "the other wes moore" and karen finny. thank you both for being here this evening. i want to start with something that's getting a lot of attention lately. lately mitt romney is accusing the president of intentionally harming the economy in order to
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pursue the health care bill, take a listen to this. >> there was a discussion about the fact that obama care would slow down the economic recovery in this country. and they knew that before they passed it. the idea that they knowingly slowed down our recovery, in order to put in place balm care, which they wanted, and they considered historic, but the american people did not want our consider historic, is something they think deserves a lot of explaning. >> now romney says this argument is made in a book called "the escape artist." the author says, that is false, in a variety of ways i don't believe that is substantively true. karen, how long can romney keep going with these misquotes and fabrications? i mean he is quoting from a book, and the author says no, that's not what i'm saying.
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>> it's not just misquoting anymore, it's just flat out lies. it's not the first time we have seen it and it will not be the last. the reason we're seeing this is all of the things machinery doesn't want to talk about. a big story this week about his multiple choice answers regarding his service or nonservice in vietnam. our we're not supposed to talk about bohn and his time there, right? so we want to talk about his record in massachusetts and he doesn't want to talk about that, i suppose, because his strategy in massachusetts was self detor passion. people left and unemployment numbers went down. so i think we just need to be very clear about what this is. this is a smoke screen. they're a smoke screen so we won't be talking about him and examining his record. >> wes, karen saying it's just lies, is that term too strong? >> i don't think so.
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look at the base of what we're talking about. so say the president has no job plan could not be further from the truth. the president was the one that initiated start up america. one of the most innovative programs for this country. it negates the fact that he was behind the veteran's employment opportunity that put veterans coming back from iraq and afghanistan back to work, and the affordable care act that was passed, that wasn't just about health care, it was also about jobs. part of the reason that plan was put in place is so that small business owners don't have to take on the burden of additional health care costs fir their employees. this doesn't just have to do with health care. this was a job act as well. >> now, karen, romney called poverty this week, he said in this country, that poverty was "a moral failure" listen to
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this. >> ror numbers ecord number u.s americans are living in poverty. 46 million people below the poverty line. this is not a failure of policy, it's a moral failure of tragic proportion. our government has a moral commitment to help every american help himself. >> but poverty would be far worse under him giving the proposals that he is supporting. >> yeah. >> does me forget he supports the ryan plan. look at this. the romney ryan plan that cuts 3.3 trillion from low income programs, programs like medicaid, food stamps, pell grants, and job training. so one hand you're supporting the ryan plan that is your plan, and on the other hand, you talk about poverty is a moral failure. >> clearly that was a talking point that someone wrote for
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him. remember, mitt romney is also the person that said he wasn't very concerned the very poor because there are social safety net programs that cake care of those people. what he clearly doesn't understand, and if we're going to talk about a lack of understanding on how things with work, as you pointed out, the romney/ryan budget plan would slash all of those plans. so if you want to talk about the moral hob ligations, how about the obligations of the people that rely on those programs including our veterans and millions of american children. >> now wes, the republicans in congress and willard romney rail against stimulus every day, but the evidence keeps mounting more and more, the "washington post" says under questions from skeptical republicans, the director of the nonpartisan and widely respected congressional
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budget office was emphatic about the 2009 stimulus, and he said the fast majority of the economist agree. >> to include fed chairman bernanke. it includes the stimulus into the economy. what the president is trying to do, he is trying to make sure that our economy, which we still do have a stubbornly high unemployment rate. what the president is trying to do is make sure the policies we're putting together and putting forward cannot just repress that but make sure that true opportunities happen for people and particularly for people with generational poverty and rs of access. that is what he is trying to put forward. so the remarks that came out of mitt romney's mouth i completely agree with, but the policies you're backing up do not sync
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with those. >> and john cantor said today that they'll probably do another short-term extension which everyone in this country said that is a no starter, not going to help. it's a short-term solution. so they're blaming the president on the one hand, and not doing the work they could be doing to address the jobs issue on the other. >> wes moore and karen finney, thank you both for your time tonight. ahead, jeb bush exposes just how hijacked by extremism the party is. plus, republicans shoot down a bill saying men and women doing the same job should get paid equally. we'll talk exclusively with elizabeth warren about that and the ongoing fight for fairness,
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folks, have you heard the republican party has been hijacked by extremism? what? you don't believe me? fine, don't take it from me. just listen to jeb bush. >> are you worried about the direction of your party? >> i worry it's sort sighted because in the tone of the deit sends that we want your support but you can't join or team. that's the short-term implications of this. >> he worries about being shortsighted on policies. this is a major figure in republican politics. he just called out the republican party.
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it's rare to see a republican standing up to the rest of the party who pledged never to raise taxes, but he isn't alone. >> i signed this pledge, but what do we do when we get taxes down to where they need to be, at one point we cut taxes touch, what's the answer then? >> i didn't know i was signing a marriage agreement, and i think the majority of members of congress understand you need to have additional revenue. >> have we reached a point where one person's demand is paralyzing congress to the point that even a discussion of tax reform is viewed as breaking a no tax pledge? >> i'd logical purity is paralyzing congress. that's right. and it's hurting real americans and ignoring the majority. 72% of americans want to raise taxes on the rich. remember ronald reagan raised
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taxes 11 times. the american people want fairness. they want a fair shot. the republican party has been hijacked by extremism. maybe we're starting to see some cracks in the foundation. joining me now is dana milbank, and cynthia tucker, a visiting professor of journalism at the university of georgia thank you for being here tonight. let me start with you cynthia. does jeb bush's comments matter? is the republican fever, as the president says, about to break? >> i'm not so sure that they do matter. this is not the first time jeb bush has said something like this. back in february in the middle of the crazy and occasionally terrifying debates, he says i
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used to be a conservative, and i don't think i've changed, but i watch debates and wonder about people just appealing to people's fears and emotions. there's a good run he didn't run for president this year. he didn't the to pay the crazy tax of birthers, bashing immigrants. there are no signs that i see that the fever will break any time soon, certainly not in 2012. >> dana, the crazy tax. let me show you the gap between the right and the left. since 1987, republicans and democrats have moved further apart in their belief president difference in opinion in 1987 was 23 points. in 2012 was 41. labor unions were 20 points.
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now it's 37. the split between the left and the right in 87 was 17 points. now it's 33. this gap has gotten wider, dana. >> and it's not surprising given that the politicians are polarizing in such a way. that's what the cancer is in this political system now, and you have a lie like jeb bush, that was a brave thing he said. his party will seek to begin deportation against him. it is chargely a republican party right now, the crazy tax, but don't be fooled. if the democrats were out of power, the same thing could happen on that side as well. there is a polarization problem on both sides there. >> don't get away from the point that you think he had courage.
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let me show you what he said this morning. for every dollar in spending they were giveen $10 in tax cuts, listen to this. >> but if you're asked a hypothetical question, which i was. >> and which they were. >> and they were. >> and only you had the courage to say -- >> i wouldn't go there. >> it was living proof i'm not running for anything more than anything else. >> so they would have said something different if they weren't run something. >> i hope so. >> he sames he can do this because he's not running, they can't because they're not running, which is your point about the crazy tax. have they so hijacked this party that people are saying extreme things even if they don't believe or it doesn't help the country.
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how do we breakthrough this and make progress in this country? >> are they saying anything they think they knee to say to get elected absolutely. i certainly hope that mitt romney does not believe half the things that come out of his mouth. however, i also believe that were he to be elected, he would not back away from that. you know, ultraconservatives already suspect mitt romney of not being conservative enough. so i don't think that being in office would moderate him at all. i think he would feel pressure to prove to arch conservatives, that he is their guy, not a republican in name only. how do you break the fever? i think the republicans would have to suffer shattering defeat, not just lose the white house, but perhaps lose the house as well and be in the wilderness for a few years before the fever breaks.
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>> dana, do you think this fever breaks or will we keep going like this for awhile? >> i wish i could give you good news on that, reverend, but i don't think so. ironically if the republicans were to win the white house, they would be in a position where they can't say no, we will not take 99%, we want 100% or nothing. which is what you're getting on this tax verses spending position here. they have to make compromises, then their own base goes crazy again, it's a cycle over and over again. >> does this help president obama? >> well, it -- the things hurting president obama now are not the polarization so much as things he can't control in the economy here and around the world. certainly to have a figure like jeb bush coming out and saying you guys are just flying off the deep end here, that is certainly for people paying attention to that should be a warning sign.
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>> thanks for coming on tonight. >> thanks. >> still ahead, a fighter for the 99%. elizabeth warren joins me to talk about fairness, equal pay, and why remembers don't have a clean when it comes to wall street. turns out some of willard's neighbors don't like what he's doing to the hood. i have tips on how he can improve those relations. [ male announcer ] hey, isn't that the girl
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see how much you could save with allstate. are you in good hands? welcome back to "politicsnation." we talked a lot about hour fairness is the issue in this election. and this week we saw a stunning vote by senate republicans. 47 republicans, every single one present, filibustered the equal pay act. they blocked the basic injustice that women make 77 cents for every dollar a man makes. fixing this would seem like a no brainer, right? that's now how republicans see it. massachusetts gop senator scott browne voted against it and also the buffet rule, and the
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american jobs act, to help the country's working class. senator, strange way to fight for hairness. joining me now is one of the leading voices for fair nts in politics today, elizabeth warn. she helped set up the consumer financial protection bureau and is running for senate against scott brown. i'm pleased to welcome her. congratulations own officially becoming the democratic nominee in this race. you're a first time candidate, how does it feel, how is it going? >> it's harder and easier than i thought at the same time. >> it is. >> in politics it's easy. >> the part easiest about this is just getting out and talking to people. it's really having a chance to sit down, visit with folks, and
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to know what's going on in their lives and feel like maybe i can be part of making that better. >> what is not easy about it? >> the parts that are not easy is when we're not talking about the things happening to real people. it just -- foreclosure rates are up in the commonwealth of massachusetts, there are people without jobs right now. in the last month the republicans voted twice to let the interest rate on student loans double. do you know how many people in massachusetts that clobbers? we have a lot of colleges and fairways trying to send their kids on to cool. those are the things that are really just hammering families. they're the reason i'm in this race. >> your opponent tries to come off to a moderate guy, but he voted against the equal pay this week. he voted against the jobs act. i mean, he has better manners
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than some of those in his party, but he is followed the republican orthodoxy pretty much all the way down the line. >> when it counts, he has been standing on the side of his republican buddies and on the side of wall street. he has been standing against families, and that has been clear vote after vote after vote. >> how can someone rationalize women continuing to make 77 cents to a dollar for men. >> i have to tell you reverend, that's what i don't get about this one. it's called equal pay for equal work, which just seems to me not only to be right, it's like the corner stone of who we are as a people and the kin of country we build. if you get out there and do the job, you ought to be paid the same whether you're a man or woman. that just ought to be how it works. and the idea that my republican
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opponent and all of his republican friends line up against that -- you know, that's really not just wrong, it's deeply worrisome. what's wrong with these guys? i get that argument maybe 50, 60, 80 years ago, but today? it's like the argument around access to birth control. today, in 2012, we're going to have a fight about if insurance companies should cover birth control? it's just the wrong direction if our country and they just keep pushing it further and further. >> you fought for fairness all of your life in academia and government, let's talk about dodd frank. house republicans unveiled a new bill to cut funning for the financial reforms. >> i think that's right, the
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picture is becoming more clear every day. they fought and fought and fought against regulation in the first place after the big crash of 2008. they just fought it tooth and nail. and scott brown, my republican opponent here, held the bill hostage until the reforms in it were weakened so that the financial institutions could take up more risk and they would not have to pay a lot of money. and then what happened is once the bill went through and passed, it now turns out they just moved over to gorilla warfare instead of fighting out in the open. they have been pushing lawmakers to create more loopholes in the bill. in other words, to contribute business as usual on wall street and real families are getting hurt. >> mitt romney wasn't even going
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gorilla warfare, he was open and said i'm for the repeal of dodd frank. >> the dodd frank law is another example of the president's attack on economic freedom. >> we have to repeal dodd frank. >> if i'm president we're going to reign back these regulations. >> how is regulating wall street an attack on economic freedom? >> the bottom line is it is not. what it's really about is saying look, we have to have a level playing field and a cop on the beat to make sure everybody follows the same set of rules. you know what machinery is talking about repeal? let me just add the extra piece. the consumer financial protection. the bureau that says you don't get to cheat people on mortgages. you don't get to fool them with fine print on credit cards or trick them on student loans.
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his notion of free is you ought to be able to do all of those things, that's not freedom, that's a world in which the biggest guys just come along and beat on the rest of us, and say we're taking your money. >> i have to ask you this before i let you go. your opponent publicly said he was for dodd frank, but the boston globe came up with private communications that he was really writing about things supporting the banks in this matter. what is your view of this rev laugs by the boston globe? >> i have to say, isn't this what people hate most about washington? somebody who stands up and pretends to be on the side of the people and pretens to be doing the right thing, and then under the table is out there making it work for the rich and for the powerful? i think that is what turns people off and they say what a phoney, this just doesn't work. >> elizabeth warren, thank you
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for your time tonight. >> thank you. one final know, we reached out to senator brown to come on this show, senator we hope we'll be seeing you here soon. ahead, rick scott's going right after the justice department. he is refusing to back down on the voter purge. we're live in florida with someone ready to fight back. and we are talking about activia. i've been eating activia and i feel great! i'm used to having irregularity. i feel like that's normal. if you are not feeling like trying this on, that's not normal. activia helps with occasional irregularity when eaten 3 times a day. feeling regular to me was a new feeling... i came to find my 'new normal' and i love it! ♪ activia and try new silky, fruity activia harvest picks. another way to enjoy activia.
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so they matter most to us. massmutual. we'll help you get there. we're back on "politicsnation" with theest ka lating crisis over that voter purge in florida. ericholder must now disease what to do about the outrageous act of defiance from the administration of rick scott. his secretary of state sent this letter to the justice department defending their attempt to take away the right to vote from shows of people. but this list is retiled with errors. more than 1600 voters have been targeted by the purge, just 13
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of those people have admitted they're not citizens. but 500 people, that's 30%, have proved there are citizens. that's why the justice department my need to intervene. they blocked voter id laws in texas, south carolina, and they expect to intervene in mississippi. florida could be next on their lust. joining me now is congressman ted deutsche, a democrat from florida, and rod smith, thanks to both of you for being here tonight. congressman, the governor of your state is refusing to back down. what do you say to him tonight ? >> even for governor scott this is a new low.
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so refuse to uphold the law and blame the administration for a plan that he hatched that will purge the voter rolls of tens and thousands of voters is a shock. thankfully we have an attorney general that will stan up to prek the laws and give voters the opportunity to participate because we have a governor that wants to strip those rights away. >> your colleague of florida released a statement and letter to attorney general holder who you just referred to say the attorney general is acting to enable fraud and allow them to cast votes in the state of florida. the doj is more concerned about the protection prospects of the president than with outholding justice and enforcing the rule of law. your response? >> the attorney general made it clear that what he is doing is
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upholding the law. it's you ray jous for my colleague or anyone to suggest that there is an electoral strategy that keeping people on the voter rolls is somehow, at a time when there was 16 cases of fraud, that somehow that's a strategy when the strategy that would work is a strategy that the governor has employed. one that puts at risk tens of thousands of voters. there are hispanics throughout the state being targeted, that's the purge, that's the efforts this governor has engaged in. if wants a show down, they will stand up for the justicitizens. >> we invited congressman rooney on, and he has an open invitation.
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can the governor with stopped in this. i talked about the hundreds that have proven there were citizens targeted. for those being disenfranchised that are real citizens, how do we top this? >> number one, i think that you're going to see the attorney general, if the gauntlet is thrown down, the attorney general will not back down on this. it goes to the core of democracy. sec, i was proud of supervisors of elections. that's where the rubber meets the road, and that tells me this will come to a halt. it suggest me that there governor and the tea party support, and this is a strategy aimed at trying to eliminate
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voters they believe are more likely to vote for the democratic party and the candidates. there is no fraud. i'm a prosecutor, and the first thing i ask is what are we really about here. they're worried about a close election in florida, and they want to eliminate people they feel are more likely to be with the democrats. i would have more respect if they say what they're doing instead of hiding behind a idea that we're fighting for a safe democracy. all of the outside groups said we don't have any fraud of any kind in florida. this is about driving down numbers because they realize that for the last four months in florida we outregistered them, the people are energized, and they want to discourage them fp. >> the president won with 236450 votes, and they say there are
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180,000 potential noncitizens. if they can knock some people off, this could alter where the state goes if it's tight. is this tight? has it tipped their way or is it tipping the democrats way in how do you read it, rob? >> i think it will be a tight election. florida always is a tight election. i remember my first assignment on the florida senate was on the recount committee. i know what 1200 votes can mee, it can be the difference between a democratic and republican president. there were people not allowed to vote that should have been allowed to vote. we're not going to sit back and allow people in politics to do the very opposite of what we should do and that is drive down voter participation. the system is richer, the
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government is stronger, the tradition is enriched when people participate rather than feeling they have to prove they way to vote. and those that have to prove their way will be disproportionately targeted. you watch the numbers, those will be the targets. >> congressman ted deutsche, thank you for your time tonight, we will keep following this. i am very committed to protecting voter rights no matter who you vote for and where it goes, people gave their everything to get us the right to vote and no one should be allowed to in any way undermine that. willard as trouble with his neighbors, i have him covered. reverend al's pot luck advice is next. ugh! all work and no food is making lorenzo very snippy.
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>> i want to close tonight by talking about why willard mitt romney should hold a pot luck. you might be wondering what's the special occasion. some of willard's california neighbors are not happy about him leaving near by and plans for his renovation of his home. one local says she's worried about the nightmare of instruction. others don't like the giant suv parked and blocking all incoming traffic. so i think willard should host a pot luck. first, willard, be sure to talk about the trees. >> it seems right here. the trees are the right height. >> next, don't brag about your
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plans for an underground mansion and elevator for your car. >> tell you what, $10,000 bet? >> be careful not to ask personal questions. >> hi, how are you,ly shake your hand away anyway. you don't have your make up on yet, good to see you. >> and we know you don't have the best track record with dogs. if a neighbor's dog gets loose, don't let it get in front of a car or on top of one. and lastly, don't insult what people bring to the pot luck. >> i'm not sure about these cookies. they don't look like you made them. >> no. >> no, they came from the local 7-11, bakery, whatever.
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>> willard, i hope you take this advice seriously. we really want you to get along with your neighbors, and we definitely don't want you moving east to washington after november. you see, willard, even i want what's best for you because it's best for the country. thanks for watching, i'm al sharpton, "hardball" starts right now. anti-democratic shenanigans, let's play "hardball." >> i'm chris matthews in washington, let's start with the purging of voter rolls in florida. i have deep suspicions. why is the secretary of state removing people this summer before the presidential election. is he looking for suspected aliens or


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