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woman whose job has been outsourced by bain capital. she and 169 of her colleagues will soon be out of work. offshoring or outsourcing, either way she's without a job. that's romney's economy. profits over people. it's not what predent obama is offering. >> that's how he built this country, together. by making these kmcommon investments, everybody would have the capacity to do better. it would make us all richer. together it gave all of us opportunity. together we moved forward. together as one nation and as one people. and that is the right lesson for our future. that is why i'm running for a second term as president of the united states. because i want us all to move forward together. >> we can move forward together. but we can't with a candidate who doesn't offer solutions or
who only does when he's surrounded by the top 1%. we can't move forward with a president whose tax plan is so vague it can't be scored. romney hates specifics for the vast majority of americans. he reserves specifics for a special place. >> are there no fair questions about the distribution of wealth without it being seen as envy though? >> you know, i think it's fine to talk about those things in quiet rooms. >> in quiet rooms. romney talks. and i'm sure he talked in the quiet room he was in this weekend. donors who raised $100,000 got the chance to spend the weekend with romney. as well as people like karl rove. looking to spend millions of dollars to take down this president. that's romney's economic policies in a nutshell. short on details if you can pay up.
joining me now, congresswoman karen bass, democrat from california. and alicia menendez, host of "huffpost live." thanks for being here this evening. >> thanks for having us on. >> congresswoman, let me ask you. one of the men running for president profited from jobs that were sent overseas. are we on uncharted territory here? >> well, actually, i don't think we are. and i think romney has been pretty specific. he has said that he supports paul ryan's budget. he has said that the arizona immigration law was a model. so i think he has been clear. it's just that he doesn't like to be pinned down in interviews sometimes. but if he supports the paul ryan budget, he believes in ending medicare as we know it. >> that's very specific. >> yep. >> let me ask you something, alicia. the treasurer of a major super-pro romney super pac was
spotted in the lobby of the retreat this weekend. he just happened to be there. i guess he just happened to be in the neighborhood of utah. his name is charlie spies and he's treasurer of restore our future, the super pac that has raised $64 million for romney. the romney campaign released this statement. the restore our future staff was not invited. the campaign did not control that. we are fully aware of the law and comply with it completely. the campaign did nothing illegal, but this doesn't raise some red flags. the fact is super pacs are not supposed to be co-strategizing or planning with campaigns. i'm sure if this was the other way around, they'd be raising all kinds of issues about this. >> well, on the surface they didn't do anything illegal. that's not kudos to team romney. that's a major problem with our
flaw that these groups can be in public places together and potentially talk in those public places. it's a lack of transparency. it begins here. it ends with citizens united. and it's going to play a major role in november's outcomes. >> the congresswoman said that mr. romney's been specific with support of the ryan budget. politico had had a huge article this weekend i read on romney's unwillingness to take a stand on anything. it says and let me quote this. it says vague general or down right evasive policy descriptions on some of the most important issues facing the country are becoming the rule for romney. it goes on to say romney is remarkably candid as though he's reading the stage directions about why he won't offer up details. he thinks it will undermine his chance to win. what does that mean? >> it means this guy does not like specifics.
he went to naleo and gave a speech. to latinos who are the contentious element of our immigration debate. without tells us how he's going to offset all of those cuts. there's a report out today from senate democrats saying it will result in tax increases to middle class families. the guy knows that if those details come out, they become unsavory to the general electorate. >> so the strategy is that don't be specific because you'll lose votes. i mean, when you look how he's dodged on the obama immigration policy. he's promised to offer a long-term solution. what that solution is, who knows. there's no word if he supports the paycheck fairness act. all he said is he supports pay equity. whatever that means. we don't know what he'll cut to
balance the budget. he told the weekly standard that he's quote, not going to give you a list right now. and as far as foreign policy goes, he won't apologize for america. whatever that means. so he's really trying to visit both ways. taking broad positions that appeal to his base. as you said the ryan plan. but when you get specifics, even issues that come up daily, he kind of ducks, dodges, or hides. >> well, actually, i think it's kind of back to the etch a sketch moment. thank goodness for the primary. he was in a number of different debates. he took stances on plenty of issues. what this play is which we know because we've seen it before. as soon as the primary ends, he's trying to move back toward the center. back to the time when he made very clear positions. he called for resolving immigration by having the massive self-deportation of
people if you can imagine that. he was very clear in what he wanted to do when it was the primary. the day after the primary when everybody else dropped out. that's when you had that etch a sketch happen. now he's mr. vague. thank goodness for video. we can go back and capture his words anday this is what you said this day. have you changed your mind or what? to say on day one i'm going to introduce a new immigration policy is saying that he disagrees with what the president did and he's going to do everything he can to overturn that. >> but in the absence of his being specific, the president's been very specific and clear on what he's proposing whether it wins or loses support. watch this on his economic policy. >> first of all they promise to roll back all regulations on banks and polluters and oil companies. they also then want to add anher $5 trillion in tax cuts on top of that. including a 25% tax cut for
every millionaire in the country. unfortunately that is their entire economic plan. that's it. when mr. romney tells us he's some sort of financial wizard who can fix our economy, that's how he intends to do it. >> now, there you see the president specific about romney's plan and the republican plan. and he's very clear on where it will go. it'll go to the top 1%. >> and that is something that is very clear if you follow this as closely as you and i do. what the romney camp is clearly banking on is a lot of americans aren't checking in for another few months to this race. they are very concerned about this economy and they are desperate for leadership. and in the absence of real leadership, he's hoping to sell these platitudes. he's hoping to sell his experience as a businessman without anyone looking too specifically at what his experience in business is. >> but congresswoman, at the same time he's tried to play on the politics of envy and saying
it's class warfare. if we look at the facts, with all the talk the gop has about the president is stifling business, what we do know is corporate profits are high at an all-time high. so clearly whathe president has been doing has not hurt those that are at the top of these corporations. in fact, they're making more money than ever while he's saying but let us share and make sure that everyone is in a better place. >> and you correctly point out that corporate profits are high. they're at the highest. and wages are at their lowest. maybe romney's campaign slogan should be trust me because i'm rich. because basically that's the only thing he's bringing to the table. if we look at the track record of bain capital, if we look at the communities that have been hurt, the jobs that have been lost. if that's what he wants to offer for the american people, i would say we're going to be in a nation that's going to be in a great deal of pain should there be a romney presidency.
however, i'm convinced that won't be the case. >> congresswoman bass and alicia menendez, thank you both for joining me. >> thank you. >> thank you for having us on. ahead, shipping jobs overseas. tonight an exclusive interview with a worker at a bain capital owned company who's having her job outsourced to china right now. thanks a lot, mitt. plus speaker boehner, the republican leader, accuses the white house of a coverup. but wait until you hear which republican says he's wrong. and remember the 68-year-old bus monitor horribly bullied and abused by kids? now she's speaking out. >> it made me feel really terrible, but i will get over it. i've gotten over everything else. >> some of those kids are apologizing, but she has a lot to say about that. and she'll be here live to do just that.
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he would never give up on any of us. mitt romney probably wants you to think that bain capital is all ancient history. but the truth is companies owned by bain are still suffering. and romney is still making millions of dollars from the company he left 13 years ago. and politico reports his tax returns show he made $13 million from his bain investments over the last two years. meanwhile, factory workers at
companies like sinsada technologies which bain capital bought is closing. the illinois plant will close by the end of the year. about 170 employees will be laid off. and what's going to happen to their jobs? they're being outsourced to china. of course mitt romney's said he'll stop jobs from being outsourced to china. >> we will not let china continue to steal jobs from the united states of america. chinese are smiling all the way to the bank taking our currency and our jobs and taking a lot of our future. i'm not willing to let that happen. >> last week some employees from sensata held a protest in front of the plant asking romney to stand behind his words and stand up for the american worker. the romney campaign knows this is a problem. just listen to how they tried to spin the outsourcing story over the weekend. >> a lot of american companies
outsource -- they outsource domestically as well. the obama for america campaign outsources from its own campaign telemarketing services. >> to omaha or wherever. >> it's an economic model thattic mas sense. >> sure it makes sense. i have a news flash for the romney campaign. omaha is not china. and you can't send your candidate's history of sending jobs overseas. with me is lauren decker who manufacturers in the plant in illinois. and was one of the protesters last week. also joining me is david corn for mother jones and an msnbc political analyst. as well as author of "showdown." thanks to both of you for being here tonight. >> sure thing. >> let me start with you miss
randecker. you've been working at the plant for 33 years, i understand. what made you and some of your coworkers stage this protest last week? >> well, it came to our attention it was done by bain capital. and he was only 55 miles away and decided not to come to freeport, illinois. we want to save our jobs from going overseas. >> now, give me exactly -- you started maybe going where i was going to ask you. you're trying to stop what? what has happened to your jobs and where are you at right now in terms of your employment and your immediate future? >> well, we have probably four to six months left in this factory. and everything will be gone. it will be very much like a ghost town 37 then we'll either go back to school, try to find other employment which in this
area is extremely hard to find. they move so much manufacturing away. and most of it is in china. it's up in the air. we're worrying how to make the month to month bills, mortgages, taxes, and keep everybody happy. >> and bain still owns sensata where you're presently working and looking at the fact many of these jobs are going to china? >> yes. yes. >> all right. david, mitt romney length of time the company 13 years ago, but he still has investments there and he's getting millions of dollars from bain. what can he do to help these workers if he wanted to? >> first, my sympathies to miss randecker and her colleagues. it must be tough working decades in a company and community and to be uprooted that way. what mitt romney could be doing if he can't -- if he doesn't have a hand in bain's current
management decisions is advocating policies that make it more difficult for companies to outsource overseas. i mean, the obama campaign and democrats in congress have been working on legislation the past few years to take away tax breaks and incentives to make it easier for outsourcing jobs to china. but goes back to the point we were talking about earlier in the show which is when it comes to economic policy, mitt romney doesn't have a loto show. he's keeping things vague and quite purposefully. when he talks about getting tough in china, what he's going to be doing in terms of creating industry or manufacturing jobs here in the united states, we really have no clue. which is why what he did years ago at bain and in massachusetts is so important. since he won't really give us a lot of details about how he wants to guide the country should he become president. then all you can do is look at what he did at bain and what his
priorities were in bain and what he did in massachusetts as a way of having any guidance for the type of president he might be. >> you know, miss randecker what strikes me with him saying we should not have jobs outsourced to china. with all his advocacy, if you look at this map showing countries that companies under bain capital like the one you work for were outsourced to china, india, taiwan, japan, singapore, malaysia, south korea, ireland, france. and they're continuing to do it. you after 33 years of work are facing unemployment with the continued policy after he's gone. but he's still making profit. you said stand with us if you have an interest. have you heard from mr. romney or his campaign? >> oh, no not at all.
>> 50 miles away, there was no response to your protests? >> not to my knowledge. >> what is it that you want him to say? if you could talk to mr. romney whab would you say to him as someone who worked 33 years at the company which means you were there when he was ceo of bain even before they bought it. after they bought it and he's gone on but still makes a profit from him. because of outsourcing from a company he's making a profit from. >> first of all i'd have to ask him if he had a job. and your policy, all you would have to do is stop sending the jobs out of the country. all of these holding companies and just keep them in the u.s. you wouldn't have to create any jobs if you just did that. >> now, if i show you the swing
states. obama is making gains with anti-bain ads against mr. romney. 47% agree private equity hurts workers. only 38% agree that private equity helps the economy. these firms are the firms you're talking about. so you would agree with the 48% in this poll? >> yes. they need to stop outsourcing all the -- >> do you talk to your friends and coworkers about this? >> about keeping our jobs? yes. everybody has to stay here. >> david, if these polls are correct, and it doesn't seem to be a small margin here, this bain issue and workers like this coming forward even know can be a real serious political problem to mr. romney going forward into this election.
>> i think the criticism of bain that we saw from rick perry and newt gingrich in the republican primaries we now see coming from the obama campaign, can be a very effective course of action for some running against mitt romney. really bain is his existence. that's what he brings to the table more than anything else. and if you look at bain, you not only get a sense of what he did as a businessman. you get a sense of his iorities. a lot of people on the right like to derive barack obama for having once been a community organizer. what does a community organizer do? he goes into a community. he works with people on the ground to try to get them a better deal. these are -- he was working communities that had been hurt by the removal or the fleeing of manufacturing industry. mitt romney -- everyone has the right to choose their own life -- went to a company that didn't create things the way steve jobs did but he bougt up companies. the key to things was making
profits. bill clinton ran years ago on a putting people first platform. mitt romney worries about putting profits first which shows you that's not always what a president is supposed to be doing. >> i'm going to have to leave it there. cheryl randecker, david corn thank you for your time. and cheryl best of luck to you and all of your colleagues. >> thank you. still ahead, the supreme court's big immigration ruling. what it means for so many americans. but first, speaker john boehner has been making some wild accusations against the white house. but doesn't have the facts to back him up. that's next. [ morgan ] right now when you use your visa card,
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republicans have done everything in their power to go after attorney general eric holder. and cast a shadow on the obama administration. they've held hearing after hearing on the so-called fast and furious program. they've set a contempt vote for this thursday. and they've even accused the white house itself of being involved in a coverup. >> the decision to invoke executor privilege is an admission that white house officials were involved in decisions that misled the congress and have covered up the truth. what is the obama administration hiding in fast and furious?
>> misleading congress. covering up the truth. these are serious accusations especially coming from the speaker of the house. one of the most powerful men in america. you'd hope speaker boehner would say this only if he had some kind of evidence. but he doesn't. check out this admission from congressman darrell issa who is leading the witch hunt against attorney general eric holder. >> do you have any evidence that white house officials were involved in these decisions, that they knowingly misled congress and are involved in a coverup? >> no, we don't. >> no evidence. none. congressman issa was asked about it again and again. he didn't have an answer. >> i want to be clear. no evidence at this point that the white house is involved in a coverup. >> and i hope they don't get involved. >> the facts are clear.
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we're back on "politicsnation" with the pivotal decision handed down by the supreme court today striking down most of arizona's harsh anti-immigrant law. the decision coming two years after arizona officials rushed sb-1070 into law claiming the state had as much right to enforce immigration laws as the federal government. >> we have state laws that i am for. the federal government should be thanking me and everybody else in arizona for doing their job working with them instead of filing lawsuits to try to do everything they can to stop this illegal immigration law enforcement.
>> arizona did not ask for this ght with the federal government. to secure our border and to enforce our immigration laws. we did not want this fight. we did not start this fight. >> the supreme court ended that fight today. the court knocked down all doumgts making it a crime to apply for jobs. and allowing officers so search without warrants. this is a victory for the federal government and the president. and it was a huge setback for those on the right who have tried to push their radical agenda under the guise of state's rights. but the court allowed the most to stand. requires police to check the immigration status of detained
people who they suspect are in the country illegally. although democrats worry this portion of the law could lead to racial profiling, they're not losing sight of today's partial victory. the president said quote, i am pleessed the supreme court has struck down key provisions of arizona's immigration law. a patchwork of state laws is not a solution to our broken immigration system. it's part of the problem. joining me n is congress woman loretta sanchez, a democrat from california. and telemundo anchor jose diaz-belart. >> hello. how are you? >> fine. let me start with you, congresswoman. what's your reaction to the ruling today? >> well, for the most part it upholds what many of us have been saying nap is that we shouldn't have to carry around a
national i.d. that it's wrong to stop somebody with sort of a profiling instance to try to deport them. to a large extent, i think the ruling is pretty good. >> now, jose, the governor of arizona claimed a victory, yet some feel that she's trying to save face. clearly those that had rallied around sb-1070 as a state's rights were defeated. but it does leave the door open for possible racial profiling. is that not right? >> well, it's certain lay possibility, reverend. let me tell you something. i don't think we could minimize what section 2-b represents. for 180,000 undocumented immigrants that live and make arizona their home. many have children there. have roots there. have established homes and participated in the local schools and their communities and have been an integral part of that society for many years.
we're talking about 380,000 people who right now are being told that as of today, officers have the legal right to -- if you're stopped because you're going five miles over the speed limit or have a busted taillight they can ask for your papers. and if you don't have opportunity to show and prove that you are legal, you are on your way out. that we cannot minimize. and you know what? it's important to talk about the political ramifications of this. let's remember that what happens in arizona could very well be what was going to happen in alabama and in georgia and in utah. and in so many other states that are looking at 1070 and what the supreme court says about 1070 and deciding how to kind of tailor make their laws to be within the boundaries of what the supreme court says is legal. >> i think that's clearly right. congresswoman, many of us that protested, i among them, 1070 in arizona -- >> and i appreciate that,
reverend. i appreciate you went out and you said that it was wrong. i want to remind people that for awhile we've had programs at the federal level that say if you are stopped for something else and taken in to be booked at local jails, we usually have an immigration agent there, a part of the federal government, that does take a look at whether you are here with the right paperwork or not. so that piece has existed. what was really scary about arizona was people could be stopped at any point. people who -- i don't sometimes carry around identification that would prove i'm an american citizen. and more importantly what we have seen from some people in arizona who are in law enforcement is that they purposely target people who look, if you will, mexican. and they know they don't have paperwork on them. i mean, again, people don't necessarily carry around -- we don't have a national i.d. card. it's part of really what it is
to be erican. and they have taken them and deported them. in some cases, people who have been deported have been legal residents. they've been citizens. so the scariest pieces of that law have been deemed unconstitutional. but it still says to what extent and how minor is somebody going to be looking at your taillight broken, et cetera. what is the minor offense that some of these overzealous people do and at thsame time target you for papers, target you for deportation nap is still a scary piece. >> jose, let me ask you this. i was a little taken back by justice scalia. he had a scathing decent. and he hammered away at the president of the united states
on his immigration policy. he says if securing its territory in this fashion is not within the power of arizona, we should cease referring to it as a sovereign state. very strong language. then he goes on to say the president said in a news conference that the new program is the right thing to do in light of congress' failure to pass the administration's proposal provision of immigration act. perhaps it is. though arizona may not think so. but to say as the court does that arizona contradicts federal law by unforcing of the act that the president declines to enforce boggles the mind. which is really startling. because he's addressing things that have nothing to do with the decision. it's almost unheard of for a justice to go after a president of the united states by name as well as the fact that he says that we should cease referring
to arizona as a sovereign state if this is the case. real strong language. >> yeah. i agree, reverend. aye got to tell you. i'm not an attorney, but i've got to tell you. i don't recall in recent years when the supreme court uses their statements on law to include political statements of one stripe or the other. i will say this, reverend. separate from the issue of what the magistrate said, i think that the lack of political will in washington by both republicans and democrats to put forth a serious proposal on immigration reform, one that could be bipartisan, one that could be at least discussed in an open manner without using harsh language, the lack of leadership -- that vacuum that has existed for many years now in washington, d.c. is what permits the sb-1070s of the world to arise.
and if democrats and republicans and the congresswoman that you have on your show tonight is a perfect example of someone who is willing to reach across the aisle to talk to republicans and to try to get something done on immigration reform. but unfortunately these people are in the minority both in the republican and democratic party. you know why? because when they could do it, they didn't do it. and the republicans have been stone walling this issue for years. >> congresswoman sanchez and jose diaz-belart, i've got to go. thank you so much for your time tonight. >> thank you. >> thank you. she's been bullied, mocked, and abused. and tonight bus monitor karen klein is here live to tell us how she's doing and what she makes of the apologies from some of the boys who bullied her. eat good fats. avoid bad. don't go over 2000... 1200 calories a day. carbs are bad. carbs are good. the story keeps changing. so i'm not listening... to anyone but myself. i know better nutrition when i see it:
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it was the story that got america talking. a 68-year-old grandmother heartlessly bullied on a bus by middle school kids. now people across the country are showing their support. more than $650,000 sent to her. karen klein joins us live in the studio to talk about it next. with arthritis pain. and two pills. afternoon's overhaul starts with more pain. more pills. triple checking hydraulics. the evening brings more pain. so, back to more pills. almost done, when... hang on. stan's doctor recommended aleve.
watched that disturbing video of a school bus monitor being brutally bullied by seventh grade students. the students relentlessly attack 68-year-old karen klein on their way home from school. >> karen, you're fat. you're so fat. you take up, like, the whole entire seat. put those back on. >> oh, my god your glasses are foggy from your freaking sweat you fat [ bleep ]. >> put your glasses on. i can't stand looking at your face. >> look at the blubber over here. >> unless you have something nice to say, don't say anything at all. >> how about you shut the [ bleep ] up? >> are you sweating? you're not sweating? >> no. >> why is there water on your face? >> i'm crying. >> i'm going to stab you in the stomach and the knife would go through you like butter. >> it's still tough to watch. but her story is bringing out
the best in others. an online fund raiser to send karen on a vacation has raised more than $650,000. joining me now is karen klein, the bus monitor in that video. first of all, thank you so much for coming on the show tonight. >> hi, how are you? >> all right. i'm fine. tell me. what's the reaction to all the donations that's come in that started as an idea to send you on a vacation. >> it's unbelievable. i feel like it's not me this is happening to. you know? it's, like -- it's how do you say? out of body experience. yeah. >> what are you going to do with all the money? >> different things. yeah. i need to pay off my bills. so then i can retire. you know, because then there will be enough money. i'll probably -- well, i've been given some vacations too. and my younger granddaughter has
down syndrome and i have a grandson that has autism. so probably donate to those causes. >> to autism and down syndrome causes. now, take me back to that morning. what exactly happened? we saw the video, but what started this? >> i don't know. and it wasn't the morning. it was the afternoon. >> okay. >> let me think. maybe it was in the morning. i thought it was the afternoon. >> no, all right. >> now i don't know when it happened. >> but i mean they just started -- >> i was in the back of the bus like i had been. and to make sure that they're not jumping up and down and whatever they like to do. they have not been that bad. i mean, they've been insulting a few times. >> but nothing like this before? >> no. and i don't even know what got them started. i don't know if they planned it
ahead of time or what. >> now, you seemed stunned. you even started crying at one point. >> well, i hate to disappoint everybody, but i wasn't crying. >> what were you doing? >> i was crying. i take my glasses off. >> you told them they were crying to help make them stop? what were you saying there? >> well, i said a few things that weren't that bad because, you know, i didn't think anything would help what they were doing. so i didn't even tell my driver. i mean, it's not his fault. he can't hear. >> right. because you're in the back. well, i can see your shock. what do you make of these apologies? two of them have apologized. what do you think of the apologies? >> i would like to see them eventually. >> you see -- i'm showing the letters that two of them sent. >> yeah. i mean -- actually, i didn't see the letters themselves.
i saw it printed on paper. but i don't know if they're truly sorry. i hope they are. but i'm not sure. >> what kind of apology would you have wanted to see or hear from them to make you feel they really are truly sorry? >> i would like them to tell me why. why? what did i do? you know? why don't -- why so nasty? >> do you think they should be punished? >> yes. they have to have something otherwise all kids will think oh, i can do that. and there's too much bullying. too much. >> we threw it out to our facebook fans what kind of punishment they thought the kids deserved. mya said make them do community service in a nursing home for at least a year. jewel said they should be banned from riding the bus. what do you think of these?
>> that's what i said. the bus banning and no sports because that's what some of them like. >> so take away something they like. make them feel a penalty for doing something. well, if nothing, i certainly feel it is encouraging to see these people come through with the donations. and i think it has brought about a real discussion of civility in the country. all of us were touched by it. sorry it had to happen to you. i'm glad there are good people in the country. karen klein, thank you so much for your time tonight. and enjoy your vacation. >> you're welcome. okay. take care. coming up, more than 2,000 people convicted as juveniles are behind bars for life. but there's a n way forward today. and it's a big step for justice. that's next. ♪ spread a little love today ♪
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ruling today from the supreme court that we haven't talked about yet and we need to. the court ruled that states may not issue mandatory sentences of life in prison without parole for juvenile offenders. in a 5-4 ruling, the justices said mandatory sentences violated the constitution's ban on cruel and unusual punishment. in her majority opinion, justice elena kagan argued that children can't always be tried as adults because they often lack maturity and a sense of responsibility. four justices dissented who wrote the dissenting opinion. the court shouldn't be making exceptions based on someone's age. and i respectfully disagree. in no way am i condoning what
these children did. they should all be punished, but you must consider outside factors when making these decisions. children are not the same as adults and shouldn't always be treated as if they are. tlas difference between punishing someone for their acts and an understanding that some do not understand the gravity of their acts and some are not mature enough for us to say they cannot be reformed or transformed. i think the court's decision was close in the vote, but it was nowhere near close to being wrong. i think that we cannot have children treated at the same level that we treat mature adults who know clearly what they're doing. thanks for watching. i'm al sharpton. "hardball" starts right now. playing half-court. let's play "hardball."
good evening. i'm chris matthews down in washington. let me start tonight with this hot issue of immigration. the supreme court today took a whack at the arizona law declaring part of it unconstitutional. it left standing the requirement that police check on the immigration sta stus of someone they stop for a possible violation who the police officer suspects is in the country illegally. will this drive people to the polls this november? will it ignite fury that the republican packed high court is in league with the pro-self-deporting mitt romney? joining me now is the mayor of los angeles, chairman of the upcoming democratic national convention and john heilemann of new york magazine and top msnbc political analyst. gentlemen, i want you to look at this bit now. it's a quote from harry reid. he had strong words about the provision the court left standing today