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roll the dice and get sick and use the emergency room as your primary for health care, the health care is going to get shifted to all of us. if you choose not to carry health insurance, you're going to pay a small penalty so we don't have to pay for you rolling the dice. that's what the health care reform law says and the republicans are engaging in deception if they say anything else. >> congresswoman, this is marine one. the president will be leaving on air force one here shortly to travel to colorado to get a view of the wildfires. back to what happened yesterday with the medication expansion and penalties for states that don't comply, chief roberts said, financial. >> no, because the law still says that states need to
implement a version of the health care law similar or comparable if they choose not to participate in the health care reform law across the board. so this is a law that is going to ensure that seniors no longer have to worry about having their drugs be too expensive, make sure that breast cancer survivors like me don't have to worry about being dropped or denied coverage for pre-existing conditions. a heavy burden was lifted off the shoulders of the 129 americans who leave the country with the pre-existing, making sure that young adults can stay on their insurance until they are 26 years old. those are the things that mitt romney and the republicans would deny and take away from americans if they push the full repeal. that's what this election is going to be about. >> congresswoman, we're watching the president get aboard.
>> now that you have brought it up as being a cancer survivor, you have been a fierce advocate of this law. what was your personal reaction, not just your professional one but the personal reaction to the high court ruling and for women that are like you in this country? >> you know, thomas, it's -- it was very emotional. my heart was full yesterday. when you are diagnosed with cancer, you feel like someone has thrown an anvil at you and you carry it around your whole life waiting for the other shoe to drop. when health care reform passed, that shoe was lifted because you're no longer one job loss away from being uninsured or uninsurable. but we carry a cloud above us wondering if it's going to get thrown atç us again until the supreme court ruled. knowing that my fellow breast cancer survivors, my sisters
have that burden lifted for myself is hard to describe. it really is. >> there is still work to be done. we appreciate you making time for us. dnc congresswoman debbie wasserman schultz. >> thank you. >> the romney campaign is seeing its own advantage on this ruling. >> we're going to get to michael steele -- first, rachel maddow did a little csi romney. i'm not sure if you saw the portrait that was done when mitt romney was governor of massachusetts. >> wait a second. nothing is done by accident. a little folder next to him that has the medical symbol with the snakes on it. that's what his official
portrait is. his portrait summed up his time in office as two things. being married to ann romney. remember, the massachusetts gay marriage problem happened under him and also that bill, passing health reform. >> the republican base is already suspect of mitt romney with his modern day messaging and his previous governing actions. there it is dried in oil on the wall there in the massachusetts statehouse. how does he go aheadç and convince them otherwise? >> i think he's already started to do that. look, you have to keep these things in context. the plan for the state of massachusetts is not the same for the plan of an entire country with 800 million people. so governors approach these problems and these situations very differently and so what the president did, and he likes to talk about having, you know, modeled our national health care system around what mitt romney did, there's not a wonderful correlation. there may be concepts that
translate. i think what mitt romney -- >> are the people of massachusetts not americans? >> come on. come on. stop it. don't go there. >> no. i just don't understand how it works for people who live within the confines of the border of that state but not work within the confines of country. >> because every state is different and the economic situation, the needs of the people are different. the folks at massachusetts are not the same as the folks at maryland. >> breast cancer in massachusetts is the same as massachusetts in maryland >> yes. that's true. but insurance programs, costs, all of those things are different, thomas. they are not the same. the cost of living, the cost of health insurance in south carolina is not the same as the cost in the northeast part of the country. so every governor looks at these situations and these economies within the context of their own
environment and contrary to what the chairman just said, what thç government gives, the government will take away with all of the tax hikes that got the $3,000 tax cut will be spending a whole lot more in health care costs as you look at paying for the cost of medicaid increase, the .9% that will go up, et cetera. and governors look at this based on their own communities. >> governor, mitt romney has seen a flood of donations, over $4 million so far. 43,000 coming online. he's promising this full repeal but do you think he really can repeal if easy elected? >> thomas, this is the situation.
the republicans are expressing outrage that a republican-dominated court approved a republican idea that came from the heritage foundation that was first implemented by a republican governor, mitt romney in massachusetts, who is now the republican nominee for president. they are trying to split hairs and find a reason between what mitt romney proposed. he is the father of the individual mandate and he's going to have a hard time criticizing what the president has done with the affordable care act and distinguishing -- i mean, he is tho inventor of the individual mandate and now he stands before the american people and says it was okay for massachusetts but it's not okay for ohio or for virginia or the rest of the country. it is simply ill logical. the american people understand that this is raw politics and
yesterday was a very good day not just for the president but for ohioans and americans. and i am celebrating imy heart today because the court did the right thing and we are finally, i think, seeing a situation where americans will no longer, no longer have to worry about going bankrupt simply because they get sick. >> i want to bring in politico's editor rachel. the president the escape artist after a rocky start to june. >> the president had a very good day yesterday. chief justice john roberts emerging as a bit of a surprise swing vote. the thinking was it would go 5-4 the other way or have discuss cities kennedy join him with the liberals. so justice roberts handed prident obama a huge victory
yesterday to have the law upheld was a surprise. i think a lot of people in washington weren't ready for that. i think president obama continued to seem optimistic until the end. it's a very good way for him to close out a rocky month and allow him toç talk about the me popular provisions of a law that is not popular as a whole. >> thanks to all three of you. appreciate your time this morning. >> all right. take care. >> absolutely. the unlikely champion of the affordable care act. reaction was fast and furious to news that roberts cast that deciding vote in one tweet causing roberts the snape of the supreme court, from harry potter. joining me is michael crawley. he made a promise to dial down within the high court. could that have been the driving
force in thinking about the legacy of the roberts court? >> it sure looks that way. roberts clearly sees himself of the legitimacy integrity standing of the court in the country. of course, he takes very seriously what's in the constitution and how you apply constitutional lens to the laws congress passes. he's also quite conscious in how the court has perceived the legitimacy. had you had a 5-4 decision striking down a very controversial, highly politicized law that congress passed, i think he understood that americans would have seen that as a partisan decision and the court standing and measured in the public opinion role and it looks like an almost political kind of act of concillation to kind of maintain the legitimacy and the stature of the court and to show that it's not just a version of the senate with-ját members where everybody votes according to
party. >> doesn't that call into claim the legitimacy of the court and the fact that people like senator rand paul want to come out and say that this is just because a couple of people on the court rule this way doesn't make it so, doesn't make it right. >> yeah. i mean, i think that the right's response -- the response from the right is not quite as intense that you would have seen from the left. i think many conservatives have taken a soft ir line against the court. the romney campaign is not going after the legitimacy and they white house may have been prepared to hit pretty hard on the court. so i do think the conservatives who are saying that look like outliars. i think what rand paul said sounded pretty fringy and did him no good there. are definitely conservatives who are upset. >> we came into this segment talking about tweet. i want to say what your tweet was yesterday, maybe roberts still feels guilty about
botching the inaugural oath and now they are even. sir, thanks again. good to have you here. >> thank you. >> check out the special health care ruling edition of "time." it's out now. back in court, the new developments as george zimmerman goes before a judge once again to ask for a second chance at freedom on bond. plus, vp power rankings. who is looking like who mitt romney will pick for his runninç mate? plus, your thoughts about today's story, the show in general, join us on twitter. tell us what you think about the music, too. [ music playing, indistinct conversations ] the charcoal went out already? [ sighs ] forget it. [ male announcer ] there's more barbeque time in every bag of kingsford charcoal. kingsford. slow down and grill.
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shame on you. shame on you. >> what is happening on the floor of the house is a misuse of power. it is an abuse of power. >> more than 100 democrats angrily walked off the floor and that walkout didn't really matter when it came down ultimately to the vote. the house voting 255-67 to hold the attorney in criminal contempt with 17 democrats voting yes to that vote. after the walkout, democratic said they were disgusted by this vote. >> there is something evil about using the house, especially something as severe as holding someone in contempt of congress to further political aims. >> attorney general eric holder said shortly after that republicans put politics before
now, i've got to tell you, i think that even though they may not have liked this vote, this is the process and the rules of the house being put into action. and bear in mind, chairman issa and the committee have been hard at work on this investigation for many, many, many months. this is something that has drug on over a year. they are trying to get the bottom of what happened and why there was a change of position with the justice department after the whistle blower allegations were made. >> congresswoman, this goes on to the attorney in washington, d.c. and the fight could take a very long time. there are people and analysts on the left that say because the obama administration has been basically scandal-free for his first term in office, that is the reasoning why this is happening now at this pointç ia re-election campaign and that's why the right is gunning for
eric holder. how do you refute that. >> no. this is something that -- they could have kept this from happening. this is happening because there were documents subpoenaed and that subpoena has not been addressed and, thomas, whether it's fast and furious or whether it is the solyndra investigation that is going on in energy and commerce committee, the reason these are coming to fruition right now is because this administration has refused to turn over the information that congress, the representative of the people, the u.s. house of representatives has been requesting. now, if they wanted to keep this from transpiring during the fall of 2012 during a re-election campaign, quite frankly, they have had that option. they could have participated and said, you know what, this is a questionable process. they could have done that with fast and furious. they could have said, we agree with the terry family.
we want to get to the bottom of this. they could have said, we agree with the american taxpayers that the solyndra loan program, the doe loan program, all of that was questionable. let's get to the bottom of it. congress, let's let us work with you. but, thomas, that is not what we have heard from this administration. what we have seen is blocking, not releasing, changing their be and furious case, delaying getting e-mails and documents to us in the department of energy solyndra investigation. that is what you see happening. so in my opinion, it is a choice that this administration has made. i think they thought they could put it off and what they are finding is that chairman issa is putting it on the agenda and he's going to get to the bottom of it. >> congresswoman marsha
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welcome back, everybody. george zimmerman is back in court. he's asking to be released on jail after a judge revoked it when his wife was arrested on perjury charges earlier this month. joining me is kendall, a legal analyst. let's get into this. it's been an interesting morning so far. it's all about bond but it seems as though it's a mini trial.
a forensic financial specialist was brought in to testify the man evaluating the zimmerman accounts, the pay pal accounts that were set up for the donations. i want to go ahead and play a bit of everything going on in the court where the prosecutor asked him if zimmerman may have been hiding money because there was a lot of money being transferred back and forth. take aç listen. >> hiding is actually done by cash. you don't hide money by transferring money to banking. >> so is the money that's the big question here, basically calling into account what the zimmerman's knew when they brought the financials to the court the first time, correct? >> yeah. the money is critical in a lot of respects. there is a perjury case against shley zimmerman for lying about it. and how much of a bond can he justify and that's going to be very relevant to the amount that is available. if the prosecutor can portray the picture of zimmerman hiding
money, discreting it somewhere, that could be consistent with a man who will be a flight risk. that may be one of the risks that the prosecution is trying to explore to try to keep zimmerman behind bars. normally florida makes it very tough in a case like this to deny any kind of bond to somebody who is still presumed innocent. >> it was just over the last couple of weeks that that tape, the re-enactment tape of trayvon martin was killed. what's the legal reason for showing that? what does that have to do with anything in regards to what the zimmermans knew about their financial accounting and how that plays out in today's bond hearing? >> a judge may consider how strong is the evidence of zimmerman's guilt? and you notice the lawyer was trying to get in a lot of information about injuries and stuff like this to build a case for self-defense. we don't know what the prosecution is goingç to say about that, but along with finances and the evidence of zimmerman's defense, the defense is also trying to talk about the
fact that zimmerman, according to the probation officer, was effectively a model citizen in terms of the conditions of his probation. >> we are all waiting to find out if george zimmerman will take a stand. there's a 50/50? >> that's a big question. the defense lawyer may not have decided. sometimes you make game time decisions. >> okay. we will be watching. thank you. who do you think mitt romney will pick as his running mate? the crew from the cycle are going to be joining me. look at them. all nice and shiny on a friday morning. plus, he was there when history was made. later, hear from the young man who stood by the president's side when he made the affordable health care act a law. you're going to get his take on the supreme court's ruling. we charge everything else... maybe it's time to recharge the human battery.
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the race for the white house is now in full swing. now that the presidt has the momentum, will mitt romney try to change the conversation by revealing his vp pick early and who will it be? joining me now is the hosts of "the cycle." it's great to have all four of you together, assembled. begins your night early. >> we're power rangers one day, avengers the next day. >> i asked all of you to come up with your best list of who you think is going to be at the top for ourç v-stakes power rankin. who do you think will be the top three contenders on mitt romney's short list? >> okay. i'm looking at paul ryan and rob portman and i like pat toomey. i don't know why he's not being talked about. he's from a swing state,
pennsylvania, he's a real economic wonk. i think he would be god and i am not sure they are not looking at him. >> crystal, your top three? >> i also have rob portman but instead of paul ryan, because i think he's too contentious with his budget, i would throw in tim pawlenty because he's boring and he won't overshadow mitt romney and he doesn't have any skeletons in the closet. the further shot one i think is bobby jindal. he had that disastrous state of the union response but i think he would be a little interesting, a different face for the republican party. so maybe. >> how about you? rob portman seems to be a theme. >> everybody has got to say rob portman but i also like t. paw. if he is picked it's like, i
have to serve my country so i have to go with mitt romney. yes, eve van gel cal christian. the other one i want to throw is is susana martinez would help mitt romney with hispanics and women. >> steve, be how about you? you have a name that i thought was very interesting. you have someone out there that said, i wouldç be great at thi >> i will say i have portman on the list, too, but my number one right now i have is john thune, senator from south dakota, he has this balance, this sort of perfect balance from being boring but being marketable at the same tie. i think the romney campaign is so risk averse, they are not lookingi looking for the bold sarah palin. he wants the subordinate, lieutenant governor of massachusetts. i think thune fits in there and
the other one is kelly from new hampshire. she's only been in the senate since 2010. i think that's a real long shot. >> the two from new england. >> there's that but, let's be honest, if you're looking at a potential gender gap, that would be the reason for going with her and that's the reason he went with a woman for lieutenant governor of massachusetts. there are not that many women to choose from. there is susana martinez. >> they all say we're not going to do it. susana martinez says that she cares for a family member and really couldn't go to d.c., which seems pretty credible to me. >> the one thing with rob portman being on everybody's list here is the fact that he's been helping presidential candidates train for debates since 1996. >> yeah. he's been around. >> a formidable debate trainer here. could then be on the ticket, potentially. >> sure. >> and he's got bushç admin
experience. i think the thinking is that he's a good, do no harm candidate. because we've been speculating about him for what seems like a year, we've sort of gotten used to the idea whereas if he was just introduced tomorrow and we hadn't been talking about it, everyone is like, who the heck is that? >> a republican can't win the white house without ohio. so putting rob portman on the ticket makes some sense for that. >> that's the reason thedon't have number one. bush administration experience. because the obama message in this is, hey, you elect mitt romney and you're going back to the policies of 2008 and you're going to put the guy doing the budget for the administration on the ticket? >> is that why kond leez za
condoleezza rice is not on your ticket in. >> if i were him, i said this earlier this week, i would seriously consider her but i don't think she wants it and i think she would have problem with the base ultimately because she has said some things in the direction of pro choice. >> if you don't want to get up early in the morning and shake hands in whatever state, then it's not for you. >> podunk? >> i love america and all of those small cornfields and all that good stuff. it's a colin powell thing. the fire in the belly and -- >> eat the corn dogs. >> exactly. >> that takes a political -- the fire in the belly that's going to travel around and commit themselves to be a part of this, to be the winning ticket putting you in the white house against the economy. >> and that's not whoç condoleezza rice has been historically. >> thank you. it's been great. we'll see you this afternoon 3:00 on the cycle. your first week. everybody is still getting along. into here's a look at some other
stories topping the news right now. president obama is on his way to colorado at this hour. we showed you the video of him leaving from andrews air force base. he's going there to survey the devastation caused by the massive wildfires raging across the state. the waldo canyon fire in colorado springs has claimed at least one life and has forced more than 30,000 people to evacuate. at last check, the fast moving flames have destroyed more than 350 homes. >> i was talking to my husband and sort of getting ourselves back together again. >> this comes as a nation as a whole grapples with a heatwave. take a look at this heat map. in the triple digits. congress is expected to vote on legislation that could lock in lower interest rates on millions of new student loans. those rates are set to double on sunday. the last-minute deals part of a package that would also save millions on highway construction jobs. bernie madoff's brother
peter is under arrest. he's expected to plead guilty on charges stemming from his brother's multibillion dollar ponzi scheme. bernie madoff is currently serving a 150-year sentence. a vancouver youth hockey coach is being investigated after he was caught on camera apparently tripping a 13-year-old player. take a look. the video was shot during a post handshake lineup. he's accused of tripping a member of theç opposing team. the boy reportedly broke a wrist in the fall. 200-meter dash competitors took the stage in oregon. both allyson felix and tarmoh finish for the prelims. justin beat out gatlin. he's making a comeback from a four-year doping ban.
he would never give up on any of us. i kind of feel like i'm watching that old movie "the godfather" and looks him in the face and says, i'm going to make you an offer you can't refuse and that offer is, you're going to buy my insurance. if you don't, i'm going to tax you. >> well, you might have heard -- >> that is just unconscience nabl. >> that was the governor perry talking about the controversial health care law. now it's unclear how texas will react to this ruling going forward. it has 6.1 million uninsured residents. that's 25% of the state's population. the highest rate of people
without health insurance in the country. greg abbott was in the supreme court ruling when it was issued and who will play a key role in what happens next. sir, first of all, i want to remind everybody that you say texas will plan further legal action to stop this care law and you also posted on your facebook page that you've only begun to fight on this issue. why is it that you still feel that there is a necessary need to go against what the supreme koirt hanow ruled to be constitutional ofç president obama's health care act? >> well, for several reasons. first of all, what the court did as justice kennedy made clear in his descent, the court saved a provision that congress never passed and that was the tax increase. president obama himself said that this was not a tax increase but yet the court out of nowhere agreed that it was a tax increase. and so we think the decision is wrong, is bad for america, and so we will continue our fight.
first, we already have a lawsuit on file challenging different mandates that were issued by the health and human services department of the united states. second, the only person who really knew what was going on to begin with was nancy pelosi when she said they had to pass the law to know what was in it. those are some of the issues that we'll be looking at. but ultimately, thomas, the issue -- this is going to be a mandate for the american people to vote on this november. obama care may be stricken down altogether. >> the fact that there are so many uninsured americans, what are you doing that is a better action than what the president put forth? what is your plan that you see to have people in texas, which is your purview, your concern to be insured? >> sure. we made clear when we filed this
lawsuit two years ago that this lawsuit was not about health care and not about health insurance.ç instead, our lawsuit was about the rule of law. we believed congress was exceeding its authority under the commerce clause. we won on that point. we thought congress was exceeding its authority by forcing the med came program. we one on that one. unfortunately the court ruled on that by upholding the tax. this is about the rule of law, not about health care. now we're going to be dealing with the health care challenges and we believe all along that texans can do a better job of cominging up with innovating solutions for texans than can bureaucrats from washington, d.c. >> if that was the case, texas would be number one in providing health care for its people instead of dead last. >> the truth is, texas is number one in creating jobs. >> but this conversation is about health care, sir. so if texas could be in charge of its own health care, then it
would be number one. if we leave it in the hands of texans to figure out, which it's been in the hands to figure it out yet you still come in dead last. >> well, you made the mistake that people sometimes make that don't understand the two are intertwined and that is, by texas creating more jobs, those jobs will provide access for insurance to people who go to work for those jobs. it's going to be in states where jobs are being crushed in part because of these mandates that will make it more challenging for people to gain access to health care insurance. >> texas attorney general greg abbott, great to have you on with me this morning. >> thank you, thomas. it's time now for the poli-sidebar. you all remember this, right? >> ladies and gentlemen, the president of the united çstate barack obama. [ applause ] >> the obama campaign now selling these t-shirts that read, it's still a bfd.
if you want one, they run about 30 bucks apiece. actor george clooney will be joining the president for a fund-raiser in geneva in august. he hosted a high-profile fund-raiser for the president back in may. texas republican ron paul is still hanging on to his presidential hopes. he will hold a major rally in florida at the university of southern florida 11,000 seat stadium. the daily show had a little bit of fun with paul's former rival herman cain. including a search for a certain missing actor and missing constitution. check this out. >> he didn't have the constitution, sir. he didn't have it. >> he didn't have the constitution? >> no, he didn't have it. so you now have to address
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i'm signing it for an 11-year-old marcellis owens who is also here. he lost his mom to an illness. she didn't have insurance and couldn't afford the care that she needed, so in her memory, he has told her story across america so that no other children have to go through what his family's experienced. >> when president obama signed the affordable care act into law, he honored a young boy, that young man right there, from seattle, who stood on the front lines of history. marcellis owens has been sharing his mom's story since he was 7 years old. he bravely fought on just a week after her death, speaking publicly about health care reform and his work reached all
the way to the white house. joining me today is now 13-year-old health care activist, marcellis owens. great to have you here today. given all that you've been through and all that you've see in your young years, how does yesterday's ruling make you feel? >> it makes me feel really proud that all of the work that i myself and everyone else that's helped work on it, knowing that their work and my work has paid off after all these years. >> it's hard to believe that almost for half your life now, you spent your time being a health care activist in respect and honor of your mom. there are many people out there who are watching this right now who might be upset with this ruling. how do you try to convince people in this country that this is a good thing? >> well, i just say by telling them about how the bill has helped people, including people in my family and people that i
know and just telling them that people like a woman named tessie who was in her 20s, she was -- had cancer and was able to get treatment for it and now she's on her way to getting better. >> with the time that you spent out there talking around the country and we have seen you at different places sharing your story, what have been some of the best reactions you've gotten from people who have met you, who have been inspired by the work you're trying to do at such a young age? >> well, i've gotten a lot ofç different reactions, some of them aren't really talking but some of them are how it inspired them to go out and start working on health care or immigration or whatever issue that is close to them, and they say that people like me and all of the other people helped them to go out and help. >> certainly a passion project
for you. we continue to watch you grow up. thank you for joining us today. we appreciate it, not just only a witness to history but someone who helped make it happen. thanks so much. that's going to wrap things up for me. thank you for your time. see you back here on monday at 11:00 a.m. eastern time. hope you have a good weekend. don't go anywhere. "now with alex wagner" is coming up right now. we're goingto wrap this week up with a bow. t.g.i.f. a day after the landmark ruling on health care, president obama has the ball. can he carry it through to november? republicans say they will repeal and replace the affordable care act but perhaps they should be focused on rebooting and retooling. academy award winner aaron sorkin is here to talk about "the newsroom" and give us his thoughts on the real west wing. all that in 180 seconds.
court upheld president obama's landmark legislation on health care, the questions have begun. what are the implications for medicaid coverage, will americans balk at the word tax and what exactly happened inside the mind of chief justice john roberts? it's friday, june 29th and this is "now." joining me today, msnbc policy analyst, ez klein of "washington post," nbc news political analyst, former pennsylvania çgovernor, ed rendell, the host of msnbc's "up with chris hayes," chris hayes, also author of "twilight of the elites" and "usa today" politics reporter, the lovely jackie kucinich is on set with us. fresh off his health care victory, president obama is back in the mode of commander in chief today. the president is flying to colorado right now, where firefighters are battling the
largest fire in state history. when he returns to washington, there will still be burning embers as republicans characterize the supreme court's ruling on the affordable care act as a new tax and vow to repeal it. after the ruling yesterday, there was no spiking of the football or victory dance from the president, but our friends over at the "tonight" show gave us a look at what that might look like. ♪ >> i think he's feeling pretty good about it. >> joining us now from washington is "time" magazine and msnbc senior political analyst who does a mean moonwalk, i hear, mark halperin, whose magazine is putting out a special edition on the high court's decision titled "roberts