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let me play what she had to say. >> he put bain capital at the center of his campaign, his rationale for the presidency. well, it's only natural that people would look at what that business experience was to see if it does indeed qualify him. part of that is to see where he's invested his money. i think where romney invested his money, in offshore bank accounts -- >> they don't often do it, stay in line formation with this attack, no one is pulling a cory booker, no one is going off script, they are on it to a t. it's the republicans who are not surrounding mitt romney and giving him cover here. you've got ron paul, even danny saying among others that you've got to give more information, this is what according to ron paul the people want. >> yeah, well, i think the problem is, from within mitt romney's camp, they actually don't believe that it would be
that easy to put it behind them, for whatever reason, whether it's because of what's actually in there, or because they believe that the obama campaign would get so much mileage out of it as they have from the small amount of tax information that he has already put out, they're already talking about the swiss bank account, they're still talking about the accounts in bermuda and the caymans, so they believe it would not be sort of a ripping off a band-aid situation, if he were to release the taxes, we would spend months and months going line by line about everything that's in there, it wouldn't be something he could just turn the page on. >> let me respond to a republican of late to the question of should romney release more of his tax information. senator kay bailey was on and she actually brought up contributing to charities as a reason for not releasing tax
information. >> should romney release more than two years? >> i don't think so, and mitt romney, he saw what happened when he put his tax returns out there, people started parsing what he did and how much tax he paid. you take his charitable contributions and his taxes, it's way more than most people pay in taxes and it's surely more than 40%, i'm sure. because he gives so much in charity. >> if that's not pulling at straws, i don't know what is. mitt romney and ann gave 14% of their income, $4 million in 2011, 19% of their income that they brought in. but what does your charitable contributions have to do with anything? i think that's part of the problem, they're pulling at straws, the few republicans coming in trying to explain away this tax issue. >> they are grasping at straws, but i think it's a valid point that if we were to go over every
tiny detail in this tax return, we can point to things that he did that were virtuous as well, including charable giving and i don't think it's the same as the taxes that you were forced to give to the government. >> jimmy let me play, governor romney came out with some remarks, and he's come out swinging on what obama said on small businesses yesterday in idea idea, he said somebody invested in roads and bridges, and if you've got a bids, you didn't build that, somebody else made that happen. let me play what he said many response. >> he said this, if you've got a business, you didn't build that, somebody else made that happen. that somebody else is government in his view. to say that steve jobs didn't build apple, that henry ford didn't build ford motor, that
papa john didn't build papa john pizza that, bill gates didn't build microsoft, to say something like that is not just foolishness, it's insulting to every entrepreneur in america. >> the crowd loved the line. the president also said if you were successful, somebody along the way gave you help, it was a great teacher, he didn't point to the government as governor romney said. you see the crowd loving that remark there. >> governor romney only used part of what the president said, secondly what did mitt romney do? mitt romney just made up a whole bunch of billionaires and millionaires and that seems to be in his rationale and his way of thinking, what he doesn't get, okay, mr. gates, he may have started a company, so with
consumers, buying all those products, mr. gate's business could have done nothing. when they say job creators, you know what job creators are? job creators are people who walk into walmart and buy $12 t-shirts or fruits and vegetables. barack obaobam mitt romney likes to talk about million areas and billion airs and president obama likes to talk about the middle class zplchltd people that had an idea and had something for the consumers to buy that they wanted to invest in. >> but without those consumers they would never have made it. what romney is saying is that barack obama thinks that government is the reason that everything happens, and to say so is a misstatement of his
entire speech that he gave two days ago. is. >> is that the remarks that were taken out of at least part of -- isn't that enough to get him out of the hot seat as far as this tox issue? >> this was the grandmother of all faux pas. >> this is not out of context, it either is or isn't out of context. >> he said what he said and he said basically that those innovators, those folks who had taken an idea, the gem of an idea and createded large, successful companies is what made america great from an economic standpoint. it's the small businesses that make up 2/3 of the small businesses in our country, there was an informal contact between the public sector and the private sector and all the consumers out there that we have to put in place the basic infrastructure and the basic policies to allow the private sector to thrive and then get out of the way.
that's what's made america great. that's what allowed those innovators to take the free market and do what we have all right done in america. >> also not outsourcing the jobs that americans need and i think the land mine that follows when you name some of these great american companies, some of them which have sent investment and business to china from the iphone and others that we can discuss, but to hit home to romney specifically, "the washington post" and others saying that olympic uniforms were -- when you talk about the greatness of the country and the american worker when something like a uniform, which is a hot topic right now, and we saw the heat come down on raffle lolph less than. >> this year's uniforms were not
going to be made in america either before we had this great controversy about it. it seems to have been something that happened in 2008, something pretty consistently done and is only now becoming controversial. so i don't think either party has clean hands when it comes to the issue of outsourcing, it's something that the obama administration has not exactly managed to cracked down on and stop. it's a -- it's a very effective political attack, it hits a hot button and especially in all of these swing states where manufacturing and suffering and those factories have gone overseas, it really hits people where they live and there's political science research that shows that it works on a political level. neither party has clean hands with it. >> and it works with a specific audience that both of these men need and that is white, working class, particularly men who wen you start talking about outsourcing jobs, that's going
to capture attention. molly, thank you, danny, it's a great pleasure and jimmy, i see you way too much. thank you very much. it's been a great pleasure. next hillary clinton responds to the romney campaign ads that use her image and voice from the 2008 campaign. >> i haven't seen any of the ads that you're talking about, but i have to say, i think it's a waste of money. plus new comments about president obama from romney, jo john. >> i wish this president would learn how to be an american. >> how governor sununu is trying to clear up those remarks. you know, those farmers, those foragers, those fishermen....
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governor sununu was asked to clear fi seconds later. here's how he tried to clarify the remarks. >> what i thought i said but what i didn't say is that the president has to learn the american formula for creating business, the american formula for creating business is not to have government create business, the american formula for creating business that i wish he would get comfortable with is to create a client in which entrepreneurs can thrive. if i didn't give all that detail i apologize. >> jimmy, is that enough? >> i think it is. it was a faux pas just like the president made a faux pas with entrepreneurs, but we have spent so much time talking about grammatical errors and so forth. what we really need to talk about is the important issues, the fact that we're borrowing $3 billion a day to keep this
government going. we have got to talk about jobs and the economy, not just as democrats and republicans but as americans to find -- the more time we spend on these side issues, i think that's more of a distraction and frankly the obama campaign in 2008 was about hope and change, this year bits about distract and change. we have got to focus like a laser on what the issues is and from the republican standpoint is obama's failed policies over the last three years. >> the romney campaign has officially gone off the deep end, the question is what else they'll put up -- this meltdown in over the top rhetoric won't make things better, it only calls attention to how desperate they are to change the conversation. and again, i bring up the point when our governor sununu starts
talking about the american way, it seems like such an easy opening for democrats to say is the american way to put money in offshore accounts? >> governor sununu, this is not the first time he has let his mouth overload his butt, but here's the biggest problem with that. this feeds into that whole double speak, which is that if barack obama is not an american, that barack obama doesn't get business, that he's a community organizers, that he's a muslim, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera, that's a bunch of crap. i think that governor sununu apologized and said that was not what i meant and i did not meepd to offend. but it does fit into the narrative that you just talked about. the line about offshoring accounts, cayman islands, bermuda, switzerland, et cetera, et cetera. it is whether or not governor romney is going to be able to have a conversation with average working class americans who
don't have any of those things. who bounce checks, who shop at walmart, when you say those kinds of things, it feeds into racial stereotypes, it's not a good idea, it's debasing of the office of the presidency, i can tell you this, i know that al gore, during the campaign called george w. bush un-american and it was wrong then and it's wrong now for governor sununu to suggest exactly the same thing about barack obama. this is the president of the united states, the leader of the free world, we request have a civilized discourse saying that obama is not american, is completely wrong. >> the vast majority of republicans are not of the ilk that would question the president's americanism or patriotism or anything along those lines, i believe he's a country loving patriotic american, i just think he happens to be wrong, i think his policies have failed. the vast majority of americans
thinks that the country is going in the wrong direction. that's what it should be about, not about missteps and quotes that are taken out of context, it should be about those fundamental issues and where this country is going. >> those polls still show governor romney leading with the -- at least in your opinion he is not handling in the right way, but with that said, i want to play this new ad from the romney campaign featuring of all people hillary clinton, she's taken issue of the ad, let me play a little bit of the ad and what secretary clinton has said in response. >> when a president doesn't tell the truth how can we trust him to lead. the obama -- candidate obama lied about hillary clinton. >> so shame on you, barack obama. >> i think it's a waste of money, i mean everybody knows i
ran against president obama in 2008, that's hardly news, everybody knows we ran a hard fought campaign and he won and i have been honored to serve as his secretary of state. >> dede is that even smart to put her in that ad? >> it sort of feeds into the narrative that president obama will do or say anything to get elected because he can't talk about his record over the last 2 1/2 years, it's about bringing up the side issue about bain and character and so forth. what we need to be able to focus on is president obama's record and the fact that his policies have failed. using hillary clinton's own words in 2008 saying that he will say or do anything to get elected. is it the best use of our time and money as a campaign, i don't know, but it is part of that narrative. >> so will the next ads feature former president clinton saying that mitt romney needs to
release those taxes, that mitt romney's tax plan will hurt the middle class, if you're going to pick and choose, why not open up the whole vault. >> no i asked if romney will use the critical words from bill clinton last week. >> what you can get from former president clinton during the 2008 campaign was that the obama campaign did -- he played the race card against bill clinton. you know, some people used to call him the first black president. he was upset about that, you might see some of that coming out in the romney campaign. >> you would say it was a distraction and not talking about the issues that matter, which is what you said earlier. >> listen, danny just said that the president is not running on his record, i hate to break the news to you, danny, but you may not want obama when he goes out on the political stump and makes his speeches every day, guess what, he does talk about his record, every single day and he
has for the last six months. he talks about the -- the jobs that have been created under his watch. he's talking about 28 months of straight growth and gdp guess what, that's his record and he is running on it. for republicans to say that he's not running on his record, he is running on his record and he's bringing into question mitt romney's right to leave this country. >> but he's not talking about the 41 straight months of unemployment over 8%, he did not talk about the $26 trillion national debt in the next 20 years. >> to counter that, is governor romney saying how he would repair those other than providing tax breaks to the wealthiest americans, what specifically has governor romney laid out as a plan? what would he do immediately to help these people get back to
work? is his first day on the job ads have been i might say quite vague will. >> he does have a 59 point plan that does talk about these details. let me talk about what's going to create jobs immediately. providing some level of certainty with regard to taxes. looking to the next five or ten years as to what those small businesses can kpt, frankly the private sector, there's many corporations that are flush with cash, they don't know what the future will hold and particularly with the affordable care act, there are still thousands and thousands of pages to be written by bureaucrats and we have no idea what that will be. >> i'm glad danny brought up the 59-point plan that's on governor romney's website. if you go to the website, one piece of that is that governor
romney talks about going to a territorial tax increase. u.s. companies would have absolutely no taxes collected if they ship jobs overseas. that is a plain, absolute unadulterated, you can't dispute it fact andive governor romney thinks that part of his economic plan to help this country is to watch american corporations ship jobs overseas ever single day to the tune of almost 1 million jobs per year. guaranteed it will happen. >> talking about taxes, governor romney is saying they're going to hold -- hostage. the reality is that that's going to affect a lot of small businesses. >> the s corporations might be affected. >> according to a new poll, people were asked two to one if they support rasing taxes above $250,000 because those people believe that it would help the economy rather than hurting.
we know 11 years of bush tax cuts certainly don't have us with money falling from trees as last i checked. danny, i'm out of town, and danny you bring the 59-point plan for governor romney we'll go through it point by point if you would like. the fbi is investigating how sewing needless ended up inside the food. and zuckerberg get a sweet deal on his mortgage. he refinanced for a rate just over 1%, that's his refinance rate on his home. what do you think about that? but first today's money minute, here's a look at wall stwreet. [ female announcer ] e-trade was founded on the simple belief that bringing you better technology helps make you a better investor. with our revolutionary e-trade 360 dashboard
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story, an investigation is under way right now as to who put sewing needless in the food on an international flight. it appears the needless were placed inside the food on purpose. one passenger was actually injured after biting into one of the needles in the sandwich. i understand the fbi has it's anti-office opening up this criminal investigation. >> they're formally in charge of it because one of these flights were in atlanta. because the actual work was being done in amsterdam which is where the flight was delivered from. they provide services to airlines all over the world. this is a picture of one of the sand wishes with the needle in it. two passengers on the flight to minneapolis found these, another passenger on a flight to atlanta, an air marshal on another flight to atlanta found
them, and by the time the word got out, delta was looking for them. all of these on sunday, all of them from the amsterdam airport, no other airlines have been involved and no other flights have been involved other than those four on sunday. the question is obviously who did this and why. and other than the dutch police saying at this early stage, they believe it was done intentionally, it wasn't some accidental factor of the preparation of these sandishes, nobody really has any idea. delta says it's very serious, that it's gone to prepackaged food out of that airport in amsterdam and is working very closely, the company gay gourmet is doing its own investigation, what everybody wants to know is who did this and what was the reason? when sports and politics collide, the arizona cardinals donated $5,000 to jan brewer's pac making the arizona cardinals
the first football club to contribute to a superpac. plus is taxing a wealthy a popular idea? nbc's deputy political director mark murray has the results of a new poll, we're going to chat with that after a break. little dancing tonight, you and me? dr. scholl's pro inserts relieve different types of lower body pain by treating at the source so you're a whole new you. go pro with dr. scholl's.
if this flood of outside money continues t day after the election, 17 angry old white men will wake up and realize they just bought the country. >> that of course was senator harry reid charging a group of, quote, as you heard him say, angry old white men, bankrolling consumer groups who are spending millions to influence this fall's elections. his rhetoric came yesterday just before republicans blocked a bill that allowed outside groups that bankroll political ads. that leads us to another ad to
politics and money. the nfl's arizona cardinals donated $5,000 to republican governor jan brewer's super pac. a team's spokesperson says the decision had to do with job creation, he said, quote, i do think the job creation getting arizona back to work is consistent with what the team blaebs, they also say that michael bidwell serves with brewer's request on the arizona national authority. brian frederick, executive director of the sports fan coalition. it's interesting the cardinals talk about job creation, but with the superpack with jan brewer, they talk about repealing what they refer to as obama care and more controversial things tied to that governor. what is happening here? this is the first nfl team to
pony up some cash. >> there has been a long relationship between sports owners and politicians, but this obviously is the first time that anybody has stepped out and used these new superpac tools. but for decades, there's been this sort of cozy relationship between -- >> a lot of these rich people are accused of wanting something in return, whether it's adelson, that if you put out that kind of cash, you want something in return. what could the arizona cardinals want, what sort of influence could they be, i don't want to say buying, but what are they looking for? >> it never hurts to have a close governor if you're a sports team. you know, there's always new ways to sort of enhance that stadium. nfl and professional shorts is
all about these lavish new stadiums that really drive the revenue for these sports owners, so i think that they're looking down the road here and thinking, you know, if we need to maybe renovate the stadium, add additional things here to the stadium, to the team, it's auld good to have the legislature and the governor with you. >> joe rickets, for example, the owner of the chicago cubs, there was a huge front page article accusing him of working behind the scenes to accuse him of, for lack of a better description, they were putting together some ads to go after him. his daughter t only democrat in their family has put her money behind this superpac for gays and lesbians, specifically lesbians, they say they don't care if you're republican or democrat, they just want people who are concerned about their causes and just want to back those people. >> a lot of sports fans say they don't want to mix sports and
politics, they see sports as somehow being separate from politics, but the problem is the owners, the leagues, the families of the owners, they have no problem mixing sports and politics, so that's all the more reason why people should actually pay attention to some of this stuff, because there is big money being thrown around at these levels by sports owners. >> you have these individuals who can -- everyone's not a casino mogul. if you're looking to bring in some cash to these superpacs, the wealthiest and many of these own these teams. >> all 32, actually of the nfl teams are ranked as among the top 50 sports franchises in the world. this is a billionaire's club. so any time you have these wealthy elites, they're looking out for their own interests first, and it's usually coming at the expense of taxpayers and
fans at the vicinity that they're at. mitt room any has come under fire recently by members of his own fire saying that republicans are allowing the obama campaign to define him instead of defining himself. given his campaign's ample financial resources the decision not to run biographical or technical ads has left him open to the inevitable attack on bain capital, on outsourcing and his investments. for more on it let's bring in nbc senior editor mark murray, it was not a very sexy remark but the bottom line here is that if you don't define yourself in any measure of life, someone else can define you. >> you and i have had this conversation in the past about how the obama campaign ads hitting mitt romney might be having more of an impact than
all the republican ads hitting barack obama. the reason is that barack obama is more defined, you actually love him or you don't, there are very few in between, but mitt romney, if you don't watch cable tv, maybe the most you know about him is that he's a wealthy successful businessman. so you end up having that two dimensional dynamic at play, and all of a sudden if people are saying what kind of business were you, bringing up the bain stuff, bringing up the outsourcing, all of a sudden you're having the obama campaign letting voters know who romney is. >> the investor made money investing in companies that have been called pioneers of outsourcing. i don't want pioneers of outsourcing in the white house. i want somebody who believes in
insourcing. let's bring those jobs back home. that's why i'm running for a second term as president of the united states. >> so mark, what's holding governor romney back from creating his own, i guess, image for, i don't want to quote the bible there, but what's holding him back here? >> i don't know if there's anything really holding him back, and he does have some opportunities where he can define himself, my colleague mark o'brien ended up on first street noted this morning, he has his upcoming convention where he can actually lay out, i'm a family man, i've done all of these things, as well as an overseas trip where people can get to know a little bit more about him. i think it does raise a question that the convention is six weeks from now and if president obama keeps trying to define mitt romney, people might already have their impression of him and bain capital. >> but are people asking him if he's a family man?
he's sold that part fairly well, people can look at his biography and see that about him, but isn't it about how he made his millions of dollars that are in question here? >> they want to talk about the business background about how he understands the economy. we haven't really heard much about that, romney became a bigger part of the campaign and in fact there's only the romney superpac has been running an ad about mitt romney using his perch at bain capital to find a colleague's daughter who went missing in new york city. that's actually a story that makes romney look very good. >> it's also a story that was played before when he ran for office last time. so it's not a new story to be fair. but let's talk about the new poll about increasing taxes on people who make over $250,000. 44% say it will help the
economy, 22% say it will help the economy, what do think of the numbers. >> the polls weigh on president obama's side in this measure. the politics in the u.s. senate are something totally different. >> mark murray, we'll see you tomorrow. i'll talk with the author about "the weather of the future" get some information on the drought we're facing. this is an historic drought affecting 80% of the county terrorism here's some things we just thought you should know. politico reports oprah winfrey did not just interview mitt romney and ann last night, she also went to the white house. and former president dick cheney arrived on capitol hill just a few hours ago, he was scheduled to attend the weekly leadership meeting, the former vice president was expected to
discuss the dangers of automatic defense cuts due to take effect in january. and a date night for the president and first lady, got the crowd all excited at last night's usa basketball team exhibition. the pair were minding their own business when her daughter malia spotted her parents on the kids cam. the first lady looked shocked, the two smiled and waved and then the crowd reacted. >> and the first couple got a second chance when the kiss cam found them again, this time the president you saw there deliver it. the crowd went wild to see a little pda. those are things we just thought you should know. for purple mountains majesty, above the fruited plain, america,
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saw this really sharp transition. >> was there no weather trend that indicated that we would be in this situation? >> we had a la nina in place's generally indicative of a drought. is conditions were in place, and farmers were really hopeful back in the spring. but when june and july rolled around, 55% of the lower 48 in a moderate to extreme drought. >> your book is title "the weather of the future" i imagine people come to you all the time and say what is the future here? what is the answer. >> it death means more extremes, we're talking heat exstreams, wildfire extremes. >> obviously you know there are still people who are not convinced of the science of climate change, even people who
run for office who want to lead this country. when you see those extremes, what is the most effective argument other than science to show what's happening here, why we have this situation? >> first of all, i think it's so terrific to be able to give the broader climate contrast to these weather events because we have really compartmentalized the weather. that really helps folks connect the dots on this issue, because most americans still think of global warming or climate change affecting polar bears or the arctic and not affecting us here in our own country. >> and we were just talking about the weather in london, they are also experiencing extreme weather, one of the coolest, wettest summers they have seen. >> very, very different than in the u.s. >> we're thoughts and prayers are certainly with those farms and people in this economy may
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