tv The Rachel Maddow Show MSNBC September 28, 2012 9:00pm-10:00pm EDT
industry. now they want medicare. they want to control the medicare dollars. no way, no how, we're not going to let them do that. >> congressman, good to have you with us tonight. thanks so much. you bet. that's "the ed show." the "rachel maddow show starts right now. >> good evening, my friend. we have a lot to do next week. >> i'll be in colorado monday and tuesday and back for the big on wednesday night. >> thanks for staying with us. the latest swing state polls. mitt romney supporters, you might want to look away for this part. president obama is up by 2 points. in swing state new hampshire, it's president obama up by 5 points, in swing state up pennsylvania, it president obama up a by 7 points. do we still call michigan a swing state? mitt romney supporters, you can drop your hands from in front of your eyes here. the latest poll has mitt romney up by 4 in michigan, which is a
lot less than the 12 point and 14-point leads the president has also had in michigan in month. we also have national polls and mitt romney, it's time for the finger vision. the latest fox news national polls shows president obama up a by 5 points. that's the fox news poll. the gallup daily tracking poll had been close. now gallup shows president obama up a by 6. even the quite ostentatiously republican leaning rasmussen poll gives president obama a 1-point lead nationally. in the states that matter, the obama campaign is ahead. things could change. we've got the debate starting n next week, there's long way to go, it's politics, anything could happen. but right now the obama campaign is solidly and consistently ahead. tactically what that means is the obama campaign has to convert being ahead in people's preferences to actual votes. since they are clearly ahead, a
good time to get those votes cast is right now. because thanks to early voting, people are casting ballots right now. so this lead that they have now in the polls can be banked. it can be turned into actual votes while they're still ahead, even if they don't end up being this far ahead by election day. iowa became the first swing state in the nation where voters are actually voting early in person. iowa has interesting rules where if you get enough signatures from your area, you can ask to have a pop-up popping place, sort of like if food places offered voting. obama voters asked for a pop-up voting place at the university of northern iowa. they had the first lady at the go vote now event. they had the first lady speak and they had the university marching band lead people from the audience of the first lady's speech directly to the voting booth. don't you always wish voting was
like this? voting needs more drum majors, more cow bell, more skinny kid in the front wearing a xylophone and playing the keys off of it. i want voting to always have this happening. the obama folks are ahead in the polls. they are trying to reap tangible benefits from this. right now follow the marching bands to the polls. the romney folks are behind. they don't want america to vote right now. if america went and voted right now, nate silver says president obama would win by 138 electoral vote. there are no marching bands leading people to the polls from the romney side right now. that is not what they need. what the romney side needs is they'd still have to persuade people that mitt romney is the guy to vote for. they need to stop doing whatever it is that has turned so many people off to their candidate. when you ask voters whether they like this mitt romney guy, the
answer is a very, very plain answer. no. his favorable ratings are in the low 40s, almost 10 points lower than the ratings for president obama. lower even than the famously unpopular former president george w. bush right now. swing state voters say they do not think mitt romney cares about the needs of people like them. some of them are shockingly bad. look at the percentage of swing state voters who say mitt romney's policies will favor the middle class. in florida it's 8%. in ohio it's 9%, in pennsylvania it's 9%. whatever the romney campaign has done to gem themselves to this point, whether it's mr. romney's tax returns or lack there of or getting rich by laying off fact workers or that videotape that said half the country is lady bums and he doesn't care about them? in this reincarnation, thurston
is mean. whaef it is that has done that is just killing him in the polls,every state. if the romney campaign does nothing else, they must, must, must make sure that nobody anywhere near mitt romney does that rich guy can't relate to people like me thing again. here's the romney campaign last night. >> both mitt and i have summer places up in new hampshire on lake winnipesaukee. a few summers ago was taking my chin and grandchildren to the town in the boat for ice cream. i got to the doing, looked around, there was no place to dock, we pulled over and all jumped out and ran up the dock and i realized there was nobody left in the boat to help me tie up or anything, they left me at to sea. i pulled up and i said who is going to tie up the boat?
i looked up and there is mitt romney. he tied up the boat and rescued me. >> what america needs is more help parking our yachts. as hotel mogul bill marriott explained, toss me the line, biff. mitt romney is just the man to help america dock our yachts. seriously the romney campaign has been trying to stop stuff like this, they have been trying to turn mitt romney into a relatable guy. at romney events they have been playing that video from the rnc but then they bumped that in favor of the crazy clint eastwood thing. this video about his family, it very nice. nobody saw it but they're using it at their events now and they have young mitt romney on a beach in france with his love letter to ann written in the sand. you can understand why mitt
romney spent his draft eligible years writing love letters to ann in france. it might be worth a pound of questions about how he avoided serving during the war. they've even got him talking about health reform in that's again. conservatives are so scared of him losing as badly as he's losing, they are not even squawking about it as they did when he talked about romney care last month. they are trying to make people dislike their candidate less. and then thurston strikes again. >> he pulled me in, he tied up the boat for me, he rescued me just as he's going to rescue this great country. >> at the national level, fairly or not, voters say they regard mitt romney as somebody who doesn't care about working people, who doesn't care about them. it is a lot for the campaign to overcome and they have not got
much time. even if you ignore the early voting and give yourself a dead line of 39 days before the national election, they have to work on that. at the local level the romney campaign does not have the luxury of doing what the obama folks has now, working on turnout. the romney folks have to work on messaging locally, they still have to work on persuading people. the way they have decided to persuade people is by giving up messages about mitt romney or against president obama. they're going small, really small, the size of a sharpened tip of a pencil small. look at this flyer. this is apparently not made up. as best we can tell this is real. this is apparent lay real romney campaign flyer, identify romney-ryan, doing more to fight the spread of lyme disease.
this is first posted today by mother jones. another page of the flier "what can a president do about lyme disease"? is mitt romney running for president because of tick-borne illness or is somebody else down the campaign food chain making decisions now? it's when people are desperate and take matter into their own hands, then you get a campaign about tick-born diseases related to deer? or the yacht mogul helping park the yacht? >> y'all sound like y'all are senior citizens, right? yeah. we don't want -- you don't want baum. you really don't want obama. he'll get rid of your medicare.
you might as well say good-bye to it. yeah, and i don't know if you've done any research on obama or not, but he is a muslim. he is -- got a socialistic view on the, you know, the economy, the government, the whole nine yards. um, if he had his way, we would be a socialistic country. okay, really do. pay attention to fox news. >> a volunteer for the clay county republican party in florida made a series of calls on behalf of her preferred can't. one of those calls got caught on an answering machine and got played on a local radio station and that got into the st. augustine record and got picked up on gawker and now this is part of the romney campaign messaging, too, just like the yacht thing. the leader of the organization said the volunteer was off
script while making those remarks. you think? joining me is chris hayes. thank you for being here. i want to ask you about the obama care decision specifically. so romney decided to run as the most anti-obama care guy in the whole world for most of the primaries. starting last month he started to shift and say i'm glad to be known as the grandfather of this. this is one of the ways i want you to know i was a compassionate person because i did romney care in my state. >> a, the bill is not as toxic as it was. >> at the national level. >> at the national level. >> b, the underlying principle is popular. conservatives lost sight of the fact that people like the idea of folks having health insurance if they get hit by a stroke of bad luck or they happen to have a bad disease. it was like they didn't like the bill because the bill played out
in this very clujy way over 18 months but people liked the principle. so back about six weeks ago when andrea, the spokesperson, came out and praised the bill when they were responding to a priority usa ad about the guy who had been at bain factory and had died and they said if eshe had been in massachusetts, she'd have health insurance. somebody said what conservatives are doing is like house breaking a dog. we are saying do not do that. in some ways that is the story of the romney campaign. all the places they could have had political advantage, with when they started to drift towards it, the right said don't go there. on afghanistan, on housing, on distribution of the recovery, who is benefiting and who is not and they couldn't go to any of those places because they had to toe the kind of line that you heard on the answering machine in that phone call. >> so now, though, the right having exerted that kind of
discipline on the romney campaign for all of this time, have they just stopped because they're so cowed by the prospect of him losing, it's okay, pee wherever you want, dog? >> that's right. the house breaking has failed. >> house breaking is over. do what you need to do. >> that is what it looks like. i was surprised. i was anticipating the same round of reprisalreprisals. you want to talk about empathy, kids have health care in massachusetts. that's a great thing. >> the right has to eventually decide if they are going to keep trying to help mitt romney win or if they are going to say that mitt romney is losing and it's because he's not conservative enough and we need to start saving people down ticket. at what point do they make an ideological decision there? >> there's two groups there. there's the kind of commentating class. they already want to get their -- it's like they're
purchasing an insurance premium. every column they write it's about putting it in the record so they can go back and say "i saw." the big money is where the big money starts to flow, the money karl rove controls and the national party controls. you're seeing real hemorrhaging in the down state races. the senate races are really surprising to me. you've seen real turn arounds. >> wisconsin? >> wisconsin. virginia. there's a bunch of places where they're not doing well. i think you are going to start to see the money flow after the first debate. >> i think the big debate is going to be a big deal. shall we cover it together? >> that would be great. >> excellent. >> up with chris hayes" airs at 8:00 in the morning. >> we'll talk about how the economy might be better than we had realized. the debate we're having about
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the son of the owner of the new england patriots is right now hosting a $75,000 a plate fund-raiser for mitt romney. mr. romney is also doing a reception tonight at the home of the guy who founded reebok. both of those events are tonight in the boston area and all tolled those two vents should put $7.5 million more in the pockets of the romney campaign. it means when i'm trying to stop thinking about politics by watching the patriots game on sunday, the freaking patriots ownership is forcing me to think about mitt romney while i'm trying to watch their stupid game without aaron hernandez, which is really annoying. these fund-raisers means mitt romney is spending another night that is not a swing state. there's no question he's going to lose his home state by something like 10, 20, maybe even 30 point.
but unlike other states, when mr. romney is in massachusetts, it's not a swing state but massachusetts does have a really contested senate race. republican senator scott brown is trying desperately, very desperately, to fend off a challenge from democratic candidate elizabeth warren. i use the word desperate on purpose. after releasing one ad attacking elizabeth warren on the basis of race, after his staffers were caught childishly mocking native americans with the whole tomahawk chop and after the cherokee nation asked scott brown to apologize for that and he refused to do so, after all that scott brown has put out another ad today again attacking elizabeth warren on the ground of race. they must have some poll numbers showing a race based campaign is working wonders for him. it's not a whisper campaign,
anonymous flyers on windshields like we used to expect. this comes straight from the campaign unapologetically. just to be clear as a bell about what the story is. it's not that scott brown has ever disproven or anybody has ever disproven that elizabeth warren has native american ancestry. it's not been disproven. it's not a lie. scott brown's whole beef with her, the whole basis for his u.s. senate campaign against her based on race is that he thinks she doesn't look native american to him. these eyeballs don't lie. >> professor warren claimed that she was a native american, a person of color. and as you can see, she's not. that being said she checked the box. she checked the box claiming she was a native american. and, you know, clearly she's not. >> look at her. look at her. native american? come on. look at her. one weird side effect for us as a show covering this story all week since scott brown decided to put race at the center of his campaign with that first debate last week, one weird side effect
for suss that just about every day now we have been getting contacted by people who watch the show or who have read about the story elsewhere who are all reacting to senator scott brown the same way. it does not seem to have been a coordinated thing, we can't find any evidence it was coordinated. it certainly wasn't coordinated by us. it just seems to be a lot of people who all are responding like this to scott brown and his magical ability to detect ethnic ancestry on sight with his magic dna goggles. one woman tweeted us this picture of herself and said "that's me. do you think scott brown can tem i'm almost half cree indian just by looking me? and this woman said fyi scott brown, i have alabaster skin and at burst red hair with a nod to my irish immigrant a maternal side. look elizabeth warren, i am proud to claim my indian roots.
also, this is chris. chris says he would like scott brown to know that even though he has blond hair and blue eyes he's half indian. rick and patty sent this. patty's dad was cherokee. rick asked would scott brown say my wife is not indian? i mean, look at her, right? we got sent about a dozen of these pictures. we do not usually get people sending us pictures of themselves. all of these folks unsolicited by us are saying pretty much the same thing. this is me, since scott browns claims to almost be able to detect ethnicity on site, let test it. prove it. when he says he knows elizabeth warren isn't really native american because he said he could tell that just by looking at her, that is what he volunteered as a major issue in
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congress. i'll admit to be fired up about this on last night's show but i still find it unbelievable. here's an simple idea. an american soldier gets killed in the war. that soldier's payment gets a payment, dependency and indemnity compensation, we're sorry, your husband, father, mother or wife was killed. you'd think this would be one of the less partisan inflicted thing wees we do as the governm. from time to time that payment gets adjusted to reflect increases in the cost of living. right? that makes sense. one of the least controversial things you could possibly imagine the united states government agreeing to. well, a bill to adjust that payment for the cost of living was brought to the senate floor last thursday. it was expected to go ahead, no mus, no fuss. who is going to argue with that? but it was blocked by someone in governor romney's party.
an unnamed republican senator has put a hold on the cost of living adjustment to the surviving children and spouse's. the same bill is holding up the wounded in the war. governor romney, i realize you're having a hard time getting the training wheels off but here's an easy one, should someone from your own party lift that hold from those people, should the republican senator holding this up keep that hold in place or drop it. you're the leader of that party. do you have anything to say on this? 24 hours later it turns out governor romney does not have anything to say on this. but since that angry little report on this show last night, today whoever the republican senator was who was holding up
that payment to veterans and their family, today that senator has decided not to do that anymore. it was not technical clay formal hold, it was the republican side in the senate refusing to give unanimous consent. but today a top republican senate aide told us that now they have found time to get unanimous consent that they didn't have before. now they have. the office of veterans committee chair patty murray told us in response "it's good to see that at least they say the secret hold has been lifted and that's a testament to veterans learning about these back room games and standing up to demand accountability. we won't know for sure until november when we now have to try this over again. my hope is that they have learned their lesson. the vote on this payment, the vote on the veterans payment will now happen in november after the election. it will be really tight. they've got to pass it quickly in order not to affect those checks. but presumably when they bring that up in november it is going to pass. in the meantime we are all hoarding exclamation points just in case it gets hung up again. [ ross ] the streets of monaco,
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tied. they both have 44% democrats dropped a new ad hitting republican george allen for his own voting record on women's rights issue, tying him to the anti-abortion record of virginia's governor this year. personhood and ultrasound bills advance in house. democrats think it's a good strategy in campaigning against any republican in virginia to just remind everyone that that's the kind of stuff virginia republicans have been up to lately. personhood rights for fertilized eggs and banning contraception. you will see republicans are facing a real problem with women voters. the latest polling in virginia in the presidential rate shows president obama up by 2 points. but check out the numbers for
women voters. 18. president obama up by 18. a new suffolk university poll out this week asked about the forced ultrasound law passed by republicans in the legislature in virginia this year, signed into law by the republican governor in the state, bob mcdonald. virginia voters opposed that law by 17 points. the anti-abortion crusade that has been undertaken this year by republican-led state government in virginia is not popular in virginia. and now virginia women are prepared to take it out on the presidency, right? they're planning to vote against the republicans' candidate for president in their state by 18 points. and that was the context for a really important move made by virginia's republican attorney general this week, a move that could be important for the presidential race in virginia. this week the attorney general certified a new set of regulations targeted only at abortion clinics in the united states. the rules are just targeting
abortion providers. it red tape specifically designed is to make it economically impossible to operate an abortion clinic in virginia. that's what's expected to happen in the state. most clinics are in danger of being closed once the rules go into effect. they initially voted to exempt existing clinics from the red tape. b and now these new rules are expected to cause most of virginia's 20 abortion clinics to close their doors. bob mcdonald this week denied that the regulations are designed to shut down clinics. he said that the new rules are just going to contribute to the expense of operating an abortion clinic calling it, quote, a cost issue. he wants you to know he's not just shutting down the clinics.
he's just making it prohibitively to operate one. same diff, right? and if the clinic shotdown because mcdonald made it too expensive to operate in his state, i guess abortion access wasn't meant to be in virginia. we've seen the same thing in mississippi, the governor there targeting the one remaining single abortion clinic in mississippi for special regular laegs. here what's he said about that. >> i think it's historic that today you see the first step in a movement i believe to do what we campaigned on, to say we're going to try to end abortion in mississippi. we're going to try to continue to work to try to end abortion in mississippi and this is an historic day to begin that process. >> abortion is legal. you can't ban it. it is a constitutionally protected right in this country. phil bryant and bob mcdonald do not have the power to change
that. what they and republican lawmakers all over the country do have the power to do is cut off access to abortion. they can't make abortion illegal on paper, they can't strike down roe v. wade except by electing mitt romney, right, who will then pick supreme court judges who do that. but they can't make it so hard to get an abortion that it might as well be illegal. they can make the right to access abortion a right in name only. after republicans won big majorities in 2010, they've enacted restrictions not seen. we're seeing a reality in america that is looking more and more like the days before roe. "business week" published an article about a woman running a nonprofit program running a program in arizona to help women find ways to access abortion.
you many women are forced to travel hundreds of miles and then pay to stay overnight in one of those two cities. one abortion rights advocate says she making connections in other states outside arizona where she might have to start sending women who need abortions across state lines. abortion is like but when you have to -- in texas where women also face a forced ultrasound, women are crossing the border into mexico to buy drugs they hope will end their pregnancies from unlicensed pharmacists and unregulated pharmacies. one mexican pharmacist who has been selling a drug over the counter says he's heard of girls hemorrhaging after using that drug saying, quote, i try my best to explain the consequences but there's only so much i can do. another pharmacist saying it
sells, that's the problem. i just say you might have problems later. in texas, in other words, the back alley abortions of the days before roe v. wade are back. they just happen to involved unregulated pharmaceuticals instead of coat hangers. and in arizona women are mobilizing to shuttle patients out of state to get access to abortion. and in mississippi and virginia, abortion clinics are in danger of shutting down all together. mississippi only had one left before these targeted regulations. abortion access in this country is on the decline. there are 25% fewer abortion providers in the u.s. than there were 20 years ago and fewer american counties have abortion providers now than in 1973 when roe v. wade was decided. in wichita, kansas, there has not been an abortion provider since dr. george tiller was assassinated in one of his former employees has purchased his old clinic and plans to bring abortion services back to
wichita, if they can. that new clinic will face not only new restrictions on abortion that have been enacted by republican politicians, they'll also be facing picketts and protests and pressure from anti-abortion groups in wichita. the leaders of those groups are already vowing to shut the clinic down before it has even opened its doors. hold on, there's more ahead.
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i think it's historic that today you see the first step in a movement i believe to do what we campaigned on, to say we're going to try to end abortion in mississippi. we're going to continue to try to work to end abortion in mississippi, and this is an historic day to begin that process. >> mississippi governor phil bryant was not announcing his one-man gubernatorial overturn of roe v. wade just then. he was announcing new targeted red tape aimed at the one and only abortion clinic in his state, which is, after all, the other way of outlawing abortion. joining us is the author of "when abortion was a crime." professor regan, thank you for being with us tonight. >> thank you, it's nice to be here. >> do you see the wave of abortion restrictions we've had, particularly over the last couple of years, as a means of undermining what is real about
roe v. wade, a way of making something that is supposed to be legal essentially illegal by default? >> yeah, i do. it's amazing to watch the things you've been bringing up that really show that a movement with the new right and a very active, very conservative republican party can perhaps make abortion a crime in certain areas, in certain states without overturning roe v. wade, and for a long time i think the country, the abortion rights movement has been focused on roe v. wade. and really we should perhaps be thinking about the conditions of abortion and think about, since i've studied that, the conditions of abortion when it was illegal. and much of this is what you were just describing is exactly the way it was before roe. having to travel hundreds of miles into other states, flying into other states and other countries, going to mexico for
abortion, which by the way when this group in san francisco was sending people to mexico for abortions, they were sending them to superb providers. they were getting excellent care and they were actually kind of the model of what the people who were trying to overturn these laws, the illegal -- the laws that made abortion a crime, that was what they wanted was to make it accessible to everyone, available to everybody no matter whether they were wealthy or poor, moe matter who they were, what their age, their race, their religion and they would be able to get safe abortions and where the women were treated with respect and humanity. and this is what the providers in mexico that they were working with, they were considered very humane abortions. they always had this reputation as being a very dangerous and bad place but actually the program that they set up was the opposite. so much of what we're seeing is
very similar. but we don't have the good underground yet. >> do you see people who are concerned about the erosion of abortion rights and the way that access has been winnowed away? it doesn't even feel like win w winnowed away. sooms like it's bei seems like it's become hacked up. do you see people trying to pool resources in terms of where it right still is accessible in a legal and safe way and those becoming sort of hubs for the country and other women trying to women try to get to those places? >> there are abortion funds where people raise money to provide for low-income women who live in states where there's no funding for abortions, there's no insurance since the hyde amendment in 1977.
but, you know, they're always on a shoestring. it's very hard to raise the kind of funds that they need for that. and, you know, even if these things are organized and i know there's also people who are trying to reinvent some of these things and planning to do that if need be but in the 60s even with that they never could reach everybody. they never were able to provide for everybody who needed abortion. even if it was pretty open in the late 60s and all the underground women's lib newspapers and all, not everyone would hear about it. so in chicago where jane was providing abortions, very well known underground feminist organization, there were also women who never knew about it who flew to chicago -- i mean flew to new york or puerto rico and cases of very, very poor
black women who couldn't afford an abortion, couldn't raise the money to go to somebody illegal and a provider and did it herself and ended up dying. shedying. she lived nearby but never knew about it. so this kind of trying to reproduce that is not -- you know, that's not going to provide for everybody who's going to need abortions. >> they should not be seen as glory days. >> no. >> but the fact that people are studying it now tells you about the desperation and worry about protecting this. >> it's extremely worry some. >> university history professor thank you for joining us. we've got your book and we've be looking at it, and a lot of people are talking to us about your work on this subject. so you're in the ziet g gieft
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democratic. you go from toss-up to leaning to likely to solid. and as people readjust their ratings over time, the adjustment is basically always that the race just shifts one column over. from a toss-up to a lean or from a lean to a likely. but in one race, he jumps all the way, he takes an incumbent republican congressman and he jumps his race from leaning republican all the way over to leaning democrat. he says this guy, who was essentially predicting to win, he's now predicting to lose. this is a dramatic shift. what is going on here in this race to earn that dramatic shift? >> michael putney with channel 10. >> we reporters can be he got splashed with water for.
>> the woman who threw the water is married to a democrat who ran for congress in the august primary. he came in third for the right to run against return david rivera who now appears to be in a heap of trouble. who exactly is in trouble? >> well, i think we could start with congressman rivera. he certainly is in trouble. we are told he's singing at the top of his lungs. >> i'm sorry to bother you i'm michael putney with channel 10 -- >> and when mrs. stern ed opened the toor door, i got drenched. >> justin lamar star nad is not talking. his wife threw the water on me.
we do know however that mr. sternad is talking to the fbi. and he's saying that david rivera paid for the democrat's campaign. if true that would be conspiracy. >> he tries to figure out whether congressman david rivera is in trouble for the fbi, for this, too. he has already been under the investigation by the fbi, the irs, the miami-dade state attorneys office and the florida department of law enforcement over financial disclosure issues and allegations that he abused the powers of his office back when he was just a state legislature. now he is a member of congress and the investigation is into republican are getting way more interesting. something kind of weird happens in south florida when it came
time for the democrats to pick somebody in their primary to run against congressman david riv a rivera. there was the candidate who everybody expected who had run against him in the past. that was this guy, joe garcia. but in addition, there was another candidate in the primary, and that was this guy. who reported almost no fund raising and who personally had only $100 in the bank. but he managed to put out professionally done campaign mailers. lots of different ones to the tune of thousands and thousands of dollars in campaign spending. thousands and thousands of dollars in cash, it turns out. in crisp hundred dollar bills. where was it coming from? during one call, rivera directed an employee to walk outside dhek the office mailbox. the envelope was stuffed with
cash. $7800. the story that's now reportedly being told to the fbi is that congressman david rivera used not just 7800 in cash, but tens of thousands to create this fake candidate. the fake candidate who is cooperating with the fbi is facing an indictment. and david rivera's seat is now leans democrat. and in the course of all the reporting on this incredibly sordid story from miami, we learn the one detail of this story that will stick forever no matter what happens in this race and no matter who goes to prison. the alleged conduit between