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they were. wanted in russia after he was convicted of embezzlement and fraud. disturbing reports are emerging from a two perceived gadhafi strongholds witnesses claim the forces are attacking civilian homes as they try to take the cities at any cost one eyewitness who was in bani walid a day ago says revolutionary forces don't care about the safety of civilians. the red cross is a humanitarian disaster as the town runs out of medical supplies food and water. and my colleague marina josh will be here in about thirty minutes time with a full look at your news but right now it's time to go back to washington for part two of the alyona show stay with us for that.
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all right sam for you said it i read it might take time to respond to my brilliance and engaging viewer comments from facebook twitter and you tube because when you've got something to say i listen now first i want to respond to a viewer who commented on my interview with jeremy scahill on the u.s. killing of anwar a lockie keith sh said on facebook i cannot believe this you are attacking the u.s. for ridding itself of a viable and real threat to the us and the west let me tell you we received a number of comments from viewers questioning how we could possibly criticize the killing of anwar a lockie so let me just take a little moment to explain why i have questions for the administration about the sas nation first of all are a lot he is the first known american citizen to be placed on a cia hit list that should not be taken lightly the administration has taken it upon themselves to assassinate an american citizen without any due process whatsoever and as jeremy scahill said i mean president obama is playing judge jury and executioner all by himself and if they have something of the american people are they should be you know the administration has told us time and time again that
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he is a dangerous man who's plotted to kill americans but he's an imminent threat to the american people find great show us the evidence and make that case the administration is simply refused to do that they've used the state secrets privilege to keep all evidence against a secret they've also refused to show the american people the legal reasoning for why all of a sudden the president has the power to execute american citizens without due process so americans think it's fine this time because the government got a bad guy just ask yourself for a minute why will they show the evidence of why he was so bad and what's to stop them from doing the same thing in the future because it doesn't matter who this was done to it's had a very dangerous president and it's trampled all over the constitution and that should be a concern for all americans and i want to sponsor a commenter who watched my interview with r t correspondent lauren lister where we discussed. america announcing a five dollars monthly check in fee on all debit card users banshee eight nine eight nine set on you two i went to my local credit union two years ago and i will never look back they give me a debit card with no fees except for one i use other a.t.m.
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the big banks are making a fatal mistake they think we need them they are wrong now the new fee to be levied on millions of americans by bank of america definitely is a good thing but if you want to look at the silver lining if you will i think that this is a great opportunity for americans to look at their options is there a local credit union who they could bank with is there a smaller bank you could treat them more fairly you know i think it's high time that the american people stand up and the spirit of occupy wall street to the banks show them that they need us more than we need them now finally i want to respond to a viewer had an interesting proposition for atticus ferry in a night nine three three five three said on you tube i would give up all of my constitutional rights for one day in exchange for one night with a loan and now while i appreciate the call them and i would really encourage all of our viewers to keep her constitutional rights no matter what they're pretty important that's of my ranting today but i will be back later this week with more as usual. the last friday the reports came out that u.s.
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muslim cleric anwar locky had been killed in a drone strike in yemen after the us government placed him on the sas nation list and without any due process whatsoever now the washington post is reporting that the justice department wrote a secret memorandum authorizing the legal targeting of the law and according to administration officials that leaked this story there was no dissent now lucky is cases where the legal debate for a long time for the second that was announced it had been placed on an assassination list by president obama to a lawsuit brought by a lot of his father and the a.c.l.u. which the administration blocked using the state secrets privilege and on friday the line that we kept hearing repeated was that a lot he had a chief operational role in al qaeda in the arabian peninsula and he was behind several foiled terrorist attacks except no direct evidence has ever been good. for that so now the administration has successfully assassinated a lot the something that they're allegedly confident they had the legal justification to do then why is the memorandum any of the evidence in fact still secret so much for the most transparent administration ever joins me from our
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studio in new york to discuss it is scott horton contributing editor on legal and national security matters for harper's magazine scott i'm just wondering if you know if you're with me here personally i find it incredibly scary incredibly dangerous to now this president has been set that an american citizen could be assassinated without a new process if the administration claims that they have the legal justification to do this then why are they still keeping it under wraps. well that's an excellent question and let's go back to the two thousand and eight election remember barack obama and many other politicians who were close to him sharply criticized the bush administration for its continual process of having secret legal opinions issued in the justice department to justify the way it was conducting war and handling national intelligence gathering matters in fact they
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took a categorical position that while you know individual facts that the authors of these memos learned that might legitimately be something that would have to be classified but the law the legal rationale the legal policies that were settled upon could not be secret this had to be they had to be published it had to be known and i think frankly most people who look at the assassination. it's not that they have sympathy for him i think the attitude of most people is good riddance with respect to him but i think there's a lot of concern about the precedent that's been established here and a lot of concern about what's the legal reasoning that stands behind this and why is the administration keeping it secret. why couldn't a very thing more there and i'm actually going to play you a clip of an interesting exchange exchange here from a.b.c.'s jake tapper and of course jay carney white house spokesperson it seems to me like they also have been
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completely unaware or unprepared that they might have to answer questions about this please take a listen. once for the american people or has a judge been shown. i'm just not going to. go any further than what i've said about about the circumstances of his death and. decay. case against them which again you're linking and i think you said that he's possible for these things yes but again is there going to be any evidence presented . i don't have anything for you on that. not see it all is in this region and so you know how a president asserting that he has the right to kill an american citizen without due process and that he's not going to even explain why he thinks he has that right
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. is troublesome to some people. i wasn't aware of any of those things that you said actually happening and if and again i'm not going to address the circumstances of a law he's down. right so i can say is thank you jake tapper for actually doing that that be how is jay carney so incredibly unprepared how does he think of this is just going to slide over no one's going to ask about it. jaw dropping isn't it that he's that he's was unaware of all these things as the lead story in the papers for three consecutive days hardly in significant matter but let's go back and look at the way the white house has been managing this question when the story first broke we saw unnamed figures in the white house on background telling people in the press that the president had decided to do this it was sort of a demonstration of how gutsy and bold the president was that he was willing even to target an american citizen and there was some description of the reasons why also
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on background without a lot of information and when people pressed to learn more about it and get the information presented the way so they could be really cross-examined in question what you see immediately is the veil of state secrecy thrown up around that this is a state secret we can't tell you anything and then did that they'll even put around legal policy what is the legal policy of this administration and let's cut them. a quick what's the big question here this this hour we was not wearing a uniform and fighting in a war zone he was in yemen so the facts that characterize him as effectively an enemy battling the united states and presenting a threat to the united states need to be put forward why is it did he present such a threat and then secondly the u.s. has got it because he was not in a war zone or certainly not what's called a hot theatre the united states has really got to come forward and explain why is
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it that he couldn't simply be indicted arrested and brought to trial somewhere there may very well be good reasons why you couldn't do it maybe because of the collapse yemen but this needs to be explained because otherwise if the u.s. can do this in. russia could do it with the chechen terrorists and the england or austria trying they could do it with the weaker terrorists in turkey or greece and so on and so on than we know of course iran and israel both are also working on drone systems right now so we're looking at what are the rules for this game going forward in anything the u.s. can do in the other power that possesses drones can do. and you know and i think that that's where it becomes much bigger than just anwar locky and the fact that he is a u.s. citizen you know calls into question the u.s. drone strikes and your own wars are waging all over the world in general no matter who it is that becomes the target of it but i want to play one more clip for you
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here this is former vice president dick cheney who is on t.v. yesterday and on state of the unit and so he was discussing that he candy crowley made him finally admit that he thinks that obama's policies in his mind are a success when it comes to terrorism policies but also that he wants him then to apologize for things that he said during the speech take a look. if you get the president of states out there saying we overreacted to nine eleven on our watch that's that's not good. if you like an apology it sounds like well i would i think that would be a not for me but i think for the bush administration and that he misspoke when he gave that speech in cairo two years ago. now i think the immediate reaction the lot of people have is to want to scoff at dick cheney and ask how he could possibly ask for an apology from somebody when the majority of us want an apology for the war in iraq for they for having torture on our record but by conducting many of these policies has obama opened the door to this even made people like dick cheney
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stronger. well i think you know it's opera the opportunistic dick cheney i think on this one you know even his even this party leader john mccain's calling him out for the nonsense of this claim but you know fair point there you know he can argue that as obama is pursuing ninety five percent the policies of the bush cheney white house it's very very difficult for obama to criticize that white house but we also have to note there were important distinctions you know torture was a distinction the black site prisons were a distinction and there are a number of other tactics that were adopted during that period they're different but still the core of the policies we're seeing straight line continuity. and you know adding of course extrajudicial killing on to the list i don't think really makes the case that much better for the obama administration well i really do think that this is a huge scandal we'll see if they end up putting any of that legal justification any
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of the evidence that they have out there for the public to see scott i want to thank you so much for joining us tonight. great to be with you. still to come tonight g.o.p. says that it's class warfare to raise taxes on the rich but of course in the past but that a different story we have more on that in our tool time segment and an unhappy hour rick perry's hunting camp spells trouble for his white house bid plus a chicken joint in china has a pretty interesting back and small. it's appropriate. we hear it because our. god. this is ilin belongs to. will if they are still going to be
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thinking. going chosen people will be believe that god is. focused on this for you guys and this guy is as we. understand the word this is a. recent martin then. got it out. right. move. from phones to.
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don't come. out it's time for ties to old time of war and tonight goes to the republican lawmakers across the board i know about the lot of people but please just give me a minute to explain the last month president obama released his deficit reduction
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plan which included the buffett rule which involves raising taxes on millionaires and closing tax loopholes now the money raised would be used to create jobs here in the u.s. by investing in things like infrastructure social services education what we need and the plan was deemed the buffett rule because billionaire investor warren buffett says that he pays a lower tax rate than his secretary and he realizes that that is just not right but g.o.p. lawmakers they were outraged they could not believe that obama wanted to tax the rich and make them pay their fair share in taxes so the g.o.p. lined up their talking points and hit the cable news channels with one simple message. i don't think i ever described class warfare it's leadership looks like the president wants to move down the class warfare path class warfare will simply divide this country more and when you pick one area of the economy and say we're going to tax those people because most people are not those people that's class warfare. yes obama is engaging in class warfare because he wants millionaires and
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billionaires to pay their fair share of taxes now keep in mind over the last few decades with the help of the g.o.p. the richer in the us have been getting richer while the middle and lower classes have all been getting squeezed but tonight a new slash old voice is joining the debate on class warfare this leader thinks the class warfare is going on here in the united states and in fact this man spoke out about the injustice of the rich not paying their fair share in taxes back in the one nine hundred eighty s. take a look we're going to close the i'm going to take the close up of it we will be there very. serious some of those rumors but it. may be a million years. at best right percent of its mysteries. that's right former republican president ronald reagan but a class war was taking place when he was in office twenty five years ago and he told the crowd in georgia that the rich should be paying more i just wonder what current members of the g.o.p. think about reagan's view on taxes after all they call him the greatest president
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ever he has a cult following by most republicans but just a few weeks ago g.o.p. candidates running for president for two thousand and twelve took part in a bait at the ronald reagan library and everybody on the stage invoked his name numerous times ronald reagan flew this plane i served during the reagan campaign with people like jack kemp on our last ronald reagan ronald reagan ronald reagan ronald reagan ronald reagan president reagan president reagan president reagan and ronald reagan and with president reagan president reagan were here president reagan were in the. reagan library ronald reagan ronald reagan ronald reagan president reagan stand in the reagan tradition under ronald reagan. ronald reagan so what does it say when ronald reagan has to be the voice of reason when it comes to taxing the rich and sort of calling his plan to tax the rich the buffett rule maybe obama should just call that the reagan rule it really shows you how far to the right the g.o.p. has moved in the last twenty years if their cult leader reagan one of the wealthy
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to pay their fair share in taxes who wasn't considered some sort of radical socialist pollution position these days maybe it's because it comes from a democrat either way the republicans intransigence on taxes is truly dangerous or becoming a society that is completely unequal and that's something that even ronald reagan knew and that's why we're giving g.o.p. lawmakers tonight still time award. ok guys it's time for happy hour and joining me tonight is our two producer jenny churchill and david packman the host of the david packman show thanks for joining me guys david nice to have you in studio usually it's just over skype always always happy to have you know people in studio here with us so let's talk about rick perry
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and a little problem that just just maybe kind of a big problem when it comes to his campaigning. the washington post is reporting at one point perry and his family we still honey camp in his home state that went by the name niggerhead. so this is a big deal out there claiming that when rick perry's bother bought the ranch they change the name immediately but in fact that really isn't true i think of they held on to the name even into his term as governor his first term and that's i mean that's just kind of a big deal right. yeah. i mean now we get to sit here and knock really talk about it while saying the n. word over and over again without saying the n. word because that's awkward we can't pronounce it that's why we had to don lemon it was funny because i mean so there are certain things you just have to explain them away it's a problem like when michele bachmann twice had to clarify she's actually not for slavery like she's really sure slavery was bad but. whatever so there's certain things that just tossing of i'm going to get
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a good right wasn't michelle obama said it was arguing that it was i did that because was better for the nuclear family which is a total culture of his were more likely to have both parents around if they were sleeves apparently so i guess they weren't auction off in different places that never happened and you know it is a different thing that's going to disappear or is this really going to you know crush the rick perry campaign i'm afraid that when it comes to his base they're not really going to care well i think this was definitely ridiculous and they should have changed their name the second that it came to the president. and if they didn't that's a shame however i don't think that this necessarily reflects on his policies i don't think that it necessarily for sure means that he is a racist and going to k.k.k. meetings doesn't mean that for sure i agree and the thing is just maybe it's an agent around her supporters are going to support him anyway right i mean he's done things that in terms of affecting people if he were elected are much bigger the deal than having the rock with this with this on it but again it's just yet another thing that he has to explain which just doesn't really make sense it's like the
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gaffe where he just couldn't get the word jumble from the before he ran for the board before we were going to not start but it's not good for hire but i think it's just one of those things that these days you know if you want to be a politician in the future you have to think about what pictures you put up on facebook for rick perry were to the governor maybe just think about you know the name of your ranch if it happens to include derogatory terms with move on to the next big this is just really cracking me up so first of all maybe maybe china just has a thing for obama because earlier this year a kentucky fried chicken they used to know one of the commercials take a look. i am. not only for america. not only for your home what were you for your stomach i don't. know but i'll get me going. to that clearly was an obama impersonator of the. hong kong kentucky fried chicken that was using him but now there's a new thing it's in beijing and
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a restaurant is actually calling itself obama fried chicken and he looks suspiciously just like colonel sanders where the exact same outfit with the with the bow tie and everything this is really cracked me up but there could be something political behind this so apparently people are saying this could be a response to the u.s. filing a complaint with the world trade organization about chinese tariffs on american chicken exports because they are having to pay so much more money for american chicken i think that's i honestly think that is absolutely ridiculous so you think that this restaurant was like oh we're paying more for chicken let's call it. if they notice i do not go for any second now i think they're capitalizing because they want to use obama's and midge they want to also use colonel sanders image and he makes them and it just becomes awkward lee kind of we also know that he's really good at you know copying things like the fake i apple stores they have all over the stuff we have i think you'd be an interesting study to actually ask the average
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would do a poll in china how many people actually know between know about the stereotype in the u.s. about african-americans and fried chicken and actually see i think it be lower than than any of us think i don't even really just think that americans like fried chicken i don't know i don't know i'm torn on that because it's such an obvious thing to us so it's hard for me to even imagine that they wouldn't know that it's i think you would be lucky to get one in five. or whatever really whatever maybe the person who owns the store knows that person i know that i guess that's the one that matters because that's where the implication is for. whatever i like fried. fried chicken kentucky fried lot of fried chicken i was going to be sitting in marietta. so this is i guess kind of obvious but the u.n. has said that by twenty forty newspapers are going to disappear and are all going to be replaced by digital versions and this was the un intellectual property agency's chief who said that in an interview but he says that in the u.s.
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the actually be gone by two thousand and seventeen that's not that far from now you think that by twenty seventy we're not going to have a new york times or you know washington post people decide to still pick up there with their you know hands be able to feel and get the ink smudge all over their fingers i think all of the sunday new york times but i actually think it's possible that the monday through friday it could be gone pretty soon i mean how many people roughly our age do you know that read a newspaper regularly i read one if i pick one up at the airport with i'm traveling maybe otherwise i'm on line looking at the paper you know but here in d.c. today there's kind of a resurgence of the newspaper because you've got all these free papers that they hand out when you get on the metro so i think that's kind of the needs of people are we all have signs i mean i mean there are there any paper that's made you know by the homeless in the hallway just because you can get out will you screw it was you know just because you can get something for free from someone on the street doesn't mean it's a sustainable business model i think no i completely agree but can we please just note seriously the important part about this why is the u.n. doing a study about newspapers and whether or not they're going to be around if it's
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a waste of their time people have been saying this for five years it's like guess what god if it was have been down he was there in the back room it was like your property is a big deal they're just measuring progress through our last story here. what are they called again i just forgot what they're called g.p.s. navigator. they could bring you closer to the future take a look at a garmin ad. thank. that is ridiculous by the way that but now we're going to switch over to i.b.m. and apparently they have a couple ideas to do things that basically to earn fees by monitoring driving activity and so one thing is they're going to have navigators take drivers down
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certain routes that are more retail heavy where there are stores but if the stores actually decide to pay a fee for it or by charging bad drivers a toll thing what do you think of that. i'm not surprised at all by this i'm surprised it hasn't happened already i think if if public interests were played here the g.p.s. would actually redirect you for example if it's midnight and it's a high drunk driving accident area it would redirect you away from instead of directing you towards the jack in the box or what are you going to say i mean just how are you shopping i was going to say maybe first they could you know get the bypass ghetto button but david had to go haul now the hearse and i mean you know where they're going to play upon our weaknesses and people like me they can't help it shop they're going to really get me are you got a record i guess thanks so much for joining us today and that's it for tonight's show thanks for tuning in make sure the come back tomorrow they have a day in from firedoglake can be on the show and meantime got to get to a fan of the live show on facebook follow us on twitter if you missed anything at all you got a lot of sales and coming up next. it
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was created to serve public interests to inform and to entertain. these days there's nothing easier than opening a new media outlet but there is nothing then revoking its license in case of corruption. just. saying. you can involve a community where you want large corporation control me. they'll be newspaper radio stations stations the cable but you told me that that's what democracy public opinion versus f.c.c. broadcast blues march.
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uproar spreads across the united states as thousands of angry americans demand the corporate lobby held accountable for the economic downturn. greece's future hangs by a thread as you were a zone minister is delayed the next release of bailout funds desperately needed to keep the country clear of bankruptcy. plus human rights groups and blow the whistle on the cod ministry is that the stance which they claim are of the government a fortune thanks to abusive child labor. and am in the russian capital you're watching r t a marina joshie welcome to the program from new york to boston to los angeles.

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