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next though our team puts the spotlight on one of the most prominent photographers of the twentieth century whose work in the prague spring tracked a man's changes in check history step by step. oh yeah and welcome to talk like the into the crowd and i think i'll bring our friend today my guest on the show is you also could tell. more than four decades ago in czechoslovakia the so-called prague spring kicked it was a period of political liberalization which ended up with a massive invasion of the war so bad time east into the country besides being in according to history the prague spring was also a breakthrough for one of the most renowned for powerful friends of the twentieth century yourself goodell photographed the invasion at the resistance and today he's
here to share his experience. as a kook is considered one of the most you commercial photographer is a modern times started his career by turning his lands on the gypsies in slovakia and romania and later focused on landscape photography but he's best known work on the song invasion of czechoslovakia nine hundred sixty eight it was published in the british army times magazine under the pen name peepee plays out regular popular an award winning photographer. welcome to the show good my very much for being with us. that's out now so i'm just going to check it but there's a tell all the time in france they say. in english so you can call whatever. it's very hard for me being a russian to talk to
a czech national about the events of nine hundred sixty and even after all these years well. you know you all right with the russian. after forty years of you know it's very hard for me to. in fact. before going to moscow it's not my first time in moscow. before going to moscow but they have been here for eight years so before going to moscow i was the thing which i was most afraid not to get emotional. because still. it is very close to my heart. because because the official the official word was that this invasion in prague in trucks like you was about but by the socialist countries by the countries of the of the was the period but actually it was led by the soviet army and most of the soldiers were russians of course there's little reason i would like you to excuse me because in the past all the time saying russians russian so i would like to
apologize to all the viewers if i say russian what they really mean soviet union soldiers who were though it was a different country and yours was a different country and ours was a different country as a matter of fact today when the face of europe has changed and there is no more socialist countries on the face of year could we say that actually your country czechoslovakia was and your people were the first to spark this change to start the crisis is a true. i can't talk about that you know i was never interested in the politics. and i was living in czechoslovakia and it was similar in their show. before sixty eight nothing was possible and suddenly in sixty eight everything's will be possible even even people who are
not interesting suddenly you know of so i can talk about these what was really happening it doesn't interest me much but i was so happy to bring happen because suddenly i could say what they wanted to say it was stricken russia years later thirty years later with garbage yes i can tell you that i in one thousand eight hundred nine i couldn't go. but i was innovative to come to russia. so when i was in front of the law. people are saying i was walking around moscow quite a few being arrested because they photographed something or they didn't some pasta photograph but exactly i would say it was probably something since i said so you did find things things in common even even being just a photographer. well actually more than forty years ago russian plants and tanks
and other socialist countries rolled into czechoslovakia to put an end to the country's reforms this is why. the need for. three nineteen sixty eight was exceptional in the history of what was known as chakra sort of a care though the country was dominated by the soviet union a period of liberalization was taking place the czechs and the slovaks were anticipating a milder more democratic version of the soviet regime the reformist alexander dubcek had just come to power huge the communist party's grip on the country granting citizens greeted freedom of expression the reforms however not received well by the soviet union a series of negotiations for the road but you were ceasars leader of their new britain if it wasn't satisfied with the results eventually on the twenty first of
august troops from five warsaw pact countries and to czechoslovakia so their tanks were deployed in the streets of the capital prague during the uprising seventy two czech and slovak civilians were killed later on a group of moscow citizens held a protest on red square against the invasion demonstrators were arrested then lead of carnage to the soviet invasion put an end to this short period of liberalization in czechoslovakia which had to wait a further twenty years to be read of this some of the intrusion. you graduated from university back in one thousand nine hundred sixty one and the us are you going to declare war will end the same year when you graduated you you actually organized your first is a vision of your photographic works doesn't mean that that then when you were
a young graduate you already wanted to be a professional photographer or it was never like a hobby i still don't consider myself to be a professional killer. but it's you know i think i'm a much offer that you make money. yes moving from the. professional. i think it depends on how you look at ok so let's say i live from the victorian era but i still consider myself i have the same life all these feel. full of so so would you consider yourself making money by photography but the thought that they can still see an amateur look for thermal agatha christie's. or paul they weren't professional detectives they were amateurs. you know what in fact what they want to say that. when i was engine
in a study or in engineering. it all made for us. who made photographs of it because something was interesting give or great love to the front of you know me which is likely enough last things though today so that's what i want to say that in fact i am still the same man who started for the love infinity and sable with an he you were an amateur photographer ok in the sixty's and when when these reforms with this period story in czechoslovakia started what were you interested in photographing these events you said you were not political i was not i was not. really interesting in the political cause but i can tell you hold it happened i never photographed as a photographer before or any news i never thought of any newspaper. i never thought of you have any story but it happened something that one day
i came back from a room and the other. and next night my girlfriend called me and they said the russians are here. she called me three times because i thought i didn't believe she was drunk that was at four o'clock in the morning you know and finally when she said open the window and listen i don't even know i could hear the plane flying very i don't know five minutes so i realize something was happening. any has inflation because of thinking about politic result think just pick my camera pick my films and i get on the streets. and i started to africa and i thought that it was important. because i was czech because my country. and it concerned me directly. and suddenly because of what was
happening you know there were photographs everywhere there were so many things happening it was so easy for. me you turn around and picture was there i have two pictures i'm not sure if these pictures are here there's one picture of the north beach original man against the pound opening and the second picture which is very good picture two young men it is the flame which is but every thirty seconds that one. after one after second. so it was incredible and i think you know for me and for me the biggest the most interesting thing is that i was not the man who from the news but suddenly this what i did become classic example of the report that this consider this would be a lot of people with cameras on the streets. that there were not to many people is
becoming less. and of course the russian soldiers they have the order to prevent they quit telling us. to destroy to come at us or take umm or a survey and the shooter after for the late probably didn't shoot him if you hear shooting behind you you don't bother much he was a preacher you were away so their version but. you know i think. like my pictures might be better than some other ones and definitely more complete and by that different that the pictures of all these professional photographers came that you know. i think because i was it was my problem it was my country. i i realize that says photographer yourself called the spotlight will be back shortly after the break so stay with us.
hello again and welcome to spotlight. and here in the studio with me today i have a target for just could duncan just as you said that your pictures the pictures that you took in the crying spring in the back nine hundred sixty eight probably were then pictures taken by professionals from the from the agency what a lot of people the courage to get into. for from a professional agency yes but they probably they didn't have adequate me because i was the first on the spot. and in in fact the first day was the most interesting. eighty seven bitterness in fact my picture has. been published in . my getting. look russian soldiers look on what was
going on in the streets because i was standing just next to the soldiers he said that the russian soldiers even could shoot in the direction of people taking pictures so it could have been very dangerous was it. a lesson i saw people being killed but i know that the russian soldiers they can i think. you know they could of course when you learn your tank is burned and you are the only is the gun you can start it is clear and then i disappear and learn a lot of shooting but of course people are shot you you are talking of. burning soviet tanks world does that mean that the resistance against invasion world was very strong i mean the czechs and slovaks were very serious about fighting back.
you know. they didn't have a chance there they understood that they didn't have any trials you know i can talk to your only about. the really. and off the because the product is not czechoslovakia it's not my skull i can call tell you and my pictures are shot i publish this book in eleven countries and my book if the regime is published also in the russian and it show what was happening in the center of the conservative base. how did you manage to smuggle your pictures abroad because after going after the invasion the regime was were was a very strict soviet regime no war period troika no more liberals so it probably was hard for you to to to to get your pictures and look at so you know. all these events in sixty eight. there was really like it.
that i wake up early there was the first look at all these pictures that i know what if my feelings but i really i didn't this is the aim to publish. i developed my films only one month or two months later. then i started to make those little prince i was showing them my friends and i left some of them is my friend then came czechoslovakia came somebody one curator of the photography from washington smithsonian institute. and he saw them. and he asked if he can take six with them so my friend called me as to give it to him in the beginning. and then he was friend of all your part of it who in that time was president of the long for god of. and he saw these pictures he was very
interested then in these beaches so he send a message to. ask him to photograph as mahdi's pictures and if i would be willing to send the negatives i said no no i don't. want to have them i don't. sell them finally they convince me that magnum is the it was from my own. agency sirus organisation. which means that i don't need to be afraid. so that somebody else came for some different these in which i don't know whether he was the doctor for medical con congress and he took it to get its own smuggling anyway yeah but what was the reaction in prague your reaction your friends when your photographs your pictures started to be published all around the world the whole of all the world publications no. nobody saw them really so you know he's got to go now in fact the only thing the whole way you. and about my bitterness the gov
use. free. of voice of america somebody here then you then i'm only was checked for. received the call and nail. for his picture. and by chance therefore first anniversary in august. i was in this group my theory group which i photographed they play many chicle and they came to play call and. what happened van sunday i get on and everybody was looking in the magazine so i looked to the magazine was full of my photographs but of course i couldn't tell them never my focus so so so so so all the time when your pictures were probably anonymous check for doug and only not only all of. my pictures of our not publish his online for
sixteen years mainly for the reason that i still have good family in czechoslovakia and of course they could have problems when when you decided to immigrate to leave it wasn't for political reasons what did you get a good job offer for a month. i didn't know anything about money except with a new they they got done it happens so there's no not at all and i don't know it was not for political reasons the policy the main reason the us and probably you can understand it because you are younger than me but i was afraid. i was afraid they're going to learn who is this proud of her who would take all these pictures from pakistan and. if they knew i went to jail really and as good as the jail that he provided. for much simpler things
here and the charge would have been smuggling pictures use i thinks no ill child no legal photography no a child should be. saying something bad their particular slogan and yes well in fact very happy that for sixteen years i didn't say in the speech or by my you name it had become i became known by some differences of each other mainly gypsy pictures and not by these pictures was that a difficult decision for you and it was a difficult actually to get out from czechoslovakia so it was a very difficult but under difference what you said how did you manage what you said the regime didn't change s. quickly as they wanted you know one day russian came and but all these people in the ministry of culture in the gypsy groups which you needed to get
a direct commendation they stay there. so the story is a little longer but maybe they don't have a time and truth to tell it. but you left your family back interest and i can gather for the first couple of years the later during you know know your family. my thought my my parents. and i was not able to see through them. you know when you come to prague these days do you see it from a different angle it was what we were leaving the city the people the country i'm after after so many years you spent abroad here you know. exile it gives you. can be back for something. i have written a book which is called exile. which is not a boat in people who are in the exam but people it'll outside of the society. and
czeslaw milosz. who is the not prize or a. polish. jew. he said exile kill but if doesn't kill you makes you stronger and exert gives you one possibility to start your life from scratch you live in moscow you come every day here they know who you are influence you can change from one day you suddenly you are you get in somewhere and nobody knows anything you have your house burned on and you have to start your life you ask about the crowd going around the others by the present which gives you it gives you possibly if you are lucky enough i was like enough then after twenty years could go back that you get back. and you are able to
look on everything what you knew all these different and different mine and then i get to play out every day i took three four five streets alone i walk alone and i was looking for the first on the contrary they train you perfectly. do you have a home in prague. apartment in prague i had i have two apartments no. money in the fact that in the common. in parents we have still have study on when they got in and then. i can say that i love liking place both are beautiful and very different and proud of this place that i look on these good people. very different like then i can tell you i have this new place
but if i come there if i open the doors in the back i think it's fantastic but if a leaf i'm not sorry to leave it. but have it anyway when you come here not a visitor you coming home when you come to prague is a trip. i would call it you know what there is no home for me the whole valley ever. thank you thank you very much for being with us and i hope moscow will be your home for the next couple of days later mike but just a reminder that my guest today was your so called out to protrude graph the soviet invasion into czech try to get back in ninety six to be there so for now from all of us here if you were out of your sales force my friend someone who might try me interview next time to drop me a line of al green of party t.v. dot are you let's keep the spotlight interactive will be back with more personal
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