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the brotherhood to run the concrete and then the united states will do deals with them as it has done in the past. in america china's vice president wasn't treated to the warmest of welcomes from u.s. officials vice president joe biden voiced a whole list of disappointments from beijing's economic policies to its stance on syria criticism was also level that china over its copyright in force made and human rights record but apart from the brief exchanges the day was largely ceremonial as american leaders signs up sieging pain may and the man why he took to lead beijing over the next decade artie's christine for sour reports now on the rocky relationship between the two economic giants. he loves me loves me now that age old question is one china at least has every right to ask regarding its relationship with the united states just in the last three years
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china has been wind you've done. praised and envy for its ability to do whatever it wants right now in china the government can disconnect parts of its internet in the case of war when you don't have to the chinese pretty easy row capital gains tax folks in congress are also going to get a chance to decide later. in the month whether our construction workers should sit around doing nothing while china builds the best railroads the best schools the best airports. in the world but it turns out those chocolate covered compliments seem to come just as frequently as those cold hearted criticisms and it's not just the president himself those hoping to take his job also tend to flip flop these guys are avarice and. looking for ways to. to work to harness china doesn't want to various they want to see is succeeded thrive so we could buy more chinese products ivan eland senior fellow at the independent
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institute says the paradox transcends the rhetoric we borrow a lot of money from china too so it's quite a curious thing that we're really borrowing money to pay for defending other countries from china right i mean that's what really doing in life and love there appears to be a fine line between resentment and respect i want to be china i want to go to war with china and make america the most attractive place in the world to do business if you look at china they're in a very different such a they say for their own retirement security they don't have a f t c they don't have the modern welfare state and china's growing it's that growth and the sharing is caring relationship that has bound these countries in this holy union this trade and economic interdependence with china is is really a defining factor and perhaps like most relationships there's nothing simple about the one between the u.s. and china there are disagreements about who gets to lead when how to spend the
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money and how to raise the children but the fact is this relationship is one that's going to be around for generations to come in washington christine prison r.t. . well paul craig roberts who served in president reagan's administration says that u.s. desperation to stall china's rapid rise could prove costly. the united states has is responding to china in two ways one it's trying to reduce china's independent access to oil iran accounts for twenty percent of john's oil so it doesn't make a lot of sense for washington to go to china and say. embargo yourself from iranian oil and let us put an american puppet in office in that country as well so we can prevent your economic development from catching up to us too quickly and the united states is responding to
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china also with increased military presence the united states says that the south china sea is an area of national interests to the united states and of course that doesn't make any sense it's like china saying the gulf of mexico is an area of national interest to china so i think these types of. militaristic statements that encourage china to build up its military and so the americans essentially may be trying to start another arms race. well look now at some other stories making headlines across the world first to a disaster and i'm doris at least two hundred seventy two prisoners have been killed by a fire which swept through a jail on tuesday night they were either burnt or suffocated to death some inmates managed to escape by breaking through the roof and jumping out of the building an
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electrical fault is thought to have caused the fire. nato has admitted its recent airstrike in afghanistan killed eight civilians the attack happened a week ago in a village northeast of kabul and has outraged afghan officials because in the wake of the latest u.n. report indicating that the number of civilian casualties in the decade long war rose last year compared to twenty ten. the villagers in romania have had to be rescued by emergency services after heavy snowfall trapped them inside their homes the country's winter death toll has now reached seventy nine with authorities using helicopters and army trucks to deliver food and medicine since the end of january hundreds have died across eastern europe and tens of thousands have been housebound by record snow levels with moldova and albania also badly affected. greene is here next with the latest business.
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thank you and he said hello and welcome to business here and as we've been reporting iran is denying reports it's cut supply to six european countries iran's state run press t.v. said the country was halting supplies of oil to spain italy france greece portugal and the netherlands this caused oil prices to jump to a six month high let's look at the figures now futures rallied to the best level of five weeks light sweet is currently trading below one hundred ten two dollars a barrel of brant burned is hovering at eight one hundred eighteen and one hundred nineteen dollars per barrel. the euro is gaining a bit against the dollar after seeing some losses on tuesday who is high against both the european and the u.s. currencies following gains on the russian market. stocks in the u.s. open mixed children between mild gains and losses certainty over greece come to better than expected economic reports from europe and on american manufacturing
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comcast climbed six percent after the cable provider reported profit. most european markets are trading higher this hour but britain's footsie slid into negative territory after trading in the black meanwhile greek politicians assure the country's european partners that they will implement an unpopular round of additional austerity measures. here in ma in russia markets closed in the black lifted by higher prices for oil we are t. has an m i six and the movement now let's check the index movers on the my six most of the blue chips were higher all majors were on the rice imported by stronger crude would look oil finishing up under a percent finished higher as well the company expected said it expects to finalize a deal to buy east european forks by international major and truck maker come august and bucked the trend it stocks fell over three percent after an unexpected thirteen percent jump onto. thank you. from our capitol wraps up today us.
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positive news today was the chinese pledge to hold denominated in europe so it's ruled a positive for the markets however it doesn't still solve the greek problem. as far as market movers are concerned. the rising by four percent today is rule the top story in local market today yesterday's movers like severstal. energy transmission companies are more or less flat. the latest short term drops of russian gas supply to europe spurred discussions on how to secure consumers from possible cuts in the future head of caspar's export branch alexander medvedev says that one of the ways is to increase storage capacity and the region. is a key element for security of supply for extreme situations like like to this winter so that's where we produce
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a program to the. capacity. experience . between two hundred to three hundred million euros in the next five years to secure their weapons. that's our business update for this hour but i'll be back with more in about fifteen minutes from now. but.
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the culture is the same of you i can go right you go on our journey home of the muslim world we're tempted to take your pick oh my one of them i'll be in britain and argentina again sparring over the legal status and future of these islands is this disputed. any match once made. is bound. to burn for ever more eternal fire is gone thinkable could possibly. do we all want to see the sun forever. feel.
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limited i've. i've. to. be a. bit
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. live from moscow worth seven thirty pm have bonds iran says it's been considering cutting off oil sales to six e.u. countries but one do so at the moment because a cold winter in europe. syria's president announces a vote on a new constitution which would effectively end nearly fifty years of single party rule in the country amid escalating turmoil. at rallies marking one year since the pro-democracy uprising in bahrain protesters face yet another harsh clamp down with
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police using tactics and weapons from the u.k. . next art used to talk and peter the value his guests discuss the strained relations between argentina and britain over the falkland islands. below and welcome to crossfire computer all about take your pick of the falkland islands with a mile venus britain and argentina are again sparring over the legal status and future of these islands is this dispute about self-determination and sovereignty or one of the last vestiges of british imperialism. and. cross-talk the endless dispute over these islands i'm joined by my guest in
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washington larry burns he is the director of the council on hemispheric affairs alex gibson he's a fulbright scholar specializing in contemporary argentinian politics and a research associate at the council on hemispheric affairs and luke coffey he's a fellow in the margaret thatcher center for freedom at heritage all right gentlemen crosstalk rules in effect it means you can jump in anytime you want larry i want to go to you first here over the last few weeks and months we've seen a ratcheting up of tensions between britain and argentina over these islands the islands that these two countries fought a war over thirty years ago what's in play here what what we should be worried about the tensions here or is this something of a function of domestic politics in both countries. well probably a combination of all of those things i think that the the real danger that lies at the bottom of this whole issue is is an accident or some kind of unplanned development that may deteriorate into. a shooting conflict
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but the both the auction time military and the british military are really in no shape to. fight a war that's thousands of miles separating the disputants. oh so it's very far and that much of the motivation behind this conflict is there to ration of domestic conditions in argentina which was the same explanation for why the war in one thousand nine hundred two broke out that is the military which ruled the country in argentina at the time was. gay gene corruption and deep cation of funds and the government needed some kind of great patriotic issue to. pull the nation together roughly speaking the same sort of thing is happening now and i think that is part of the explanation for
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what we're now seeing ok if i go to look i think it's very interesting here in britain most people don't really care much about the what they call the falkland islands and i mean of course that there was there was patriotic on the side of the the brits thirty years ago but it's not really a big issue and people aren't sitting in pubs talking about these islands but they are in argentina is that isn't that kind of a risk too and it seems odd if it people in britain don't care about it why does the british government care so much about it well i would have to say that your average person on the streets in great britain don't care much about the issues surrounding the falkland islands and tell it's made an issue by the argentinians. we saw that the front page of the sun newspaper today in britain had sean penn's remark. during his recent visit in the falklands so i think i think you're absolutely right about the political classes cared a great bit about the falkland islands and britain sovereignty over those islands and i think the reason is because no british government could ever survive losing
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the falkland islands ok alex that's rather peculiar too because i mean there's so much as it riskier i mean britain and argentina these are important countries and they should have good relations why is it isn't it with their risk for the british to put so much into this bad relationship over what three thousand people whose claim of self-determination is a bit dubious at best. if i can just quickly respond to mr burns point first and then get to luke and yourself we should be careful first about drawing parallels between the ninety two situation between argentina and britain and what we see today because as mr resolute two one thing that should ring very clear here is that no one's going to war in both countries know this so what's what's really really important question to get at here is what are the underlying motives why are we talking about this now rather than just the fact that it's the thirtieth anniversary of the conflict getting to this point about about the importance of the
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falklands to britain and well let me and let me add on that a bit to argentina i think the question of survival is a bit extreme i think anyone would acknowledge that and britain would be absolutely fine with out without the falklands under their sovereign control but what would pose an even greater problem is the is if argentina were to continue on the track with this relationship with the falklands now what i mean is without some sort of sovereignty or at the very least nick sovereignty very basic things like trade agreements between the falklands in argentina is just the effect of their geographical location is going to make it difficult to sustain a puzzle relationship not just for argentina but for those cultures which are what the falkland islanders are called and one for one final point here and quickly also . the main thing to remember about all of this is. this this isn't an issue that's going on like i said before it's going to escalate
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in into conflict it's a political issue but it's also something that's at the core of argentine identity these these islands have been under argentina's claim since before its independence this is not just something that came off as a whim argentina believe that these islands belong to them and has felt that for over a century so i think we have to look at the deeper issues underlying this rather than just the politically agree if we go larry i mean there's a need for the. ok ok look but for many in south america this is just a colonial and you two it's a colonial issue for a lot of people in south america right go ahead well well yeah. and so far as the argentinians would like to call it is the three thousand british citizens and her majesty's subjects currently living peacefully in these islands that want to go back to a point alex smith i think you misunderstood me slightly when i was saying that the issue about survival is not the great britain as a nation can survive with the loss of the falkland islands i was saying that the government of the day would fall if the falkland islands were ever taken now i do
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agree with you know there's not going to be a military there's not going to be military answer to this this is going to be resolved peacefully in the end i firmly believe ok look if i can stay with you it's been thirty years so why hasn't it been resolved and it looks like nobody on either side wants to resolve it well as far as the british government is concerned the situation is resolved they've made very clear that. it's a matter of self-determination is clearly a line in the un charter and that is so long as the people of the falkland islands want to remain british they shall remain british and this is a very simple the simple fact that people in the falklands want to be british ok i don't want to be arnold and i don't think it is that simple go to larry here i mean this is not an indigenous people to these islands are they and this is what the argentine position is ok what he's how strong is their claim to self-determination if they're not indigenous to the island and as
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a matter of fact i mean i read somewhere was that only forty percent of the population there is lived there for ten years what kind of self-determination is that. well trace of paternity of a lot of countries a lot of civilizations you may find kind of a murky antecedents but the interesting thing is of course the british had no difficulty in liquidating a vast empire its empire today consists of christian to. other falklands bermuda and a couple of other islands here and there so this is not exactly a country that's dedicated to colonialism or can you find an explanation of why this is happening in such a simplistic explanation as clueless and i think really what it is is that. in both countries the issue has become wrapped in symbolism
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and there also is another issue here and that is what really brought argentina into the falkland war in one nine hundred eighty two and why is it posturing again right now i think the beginning of a discussion is we don't really know all the facts of the matter for example i would like to know why in general vernon walters was in the argentine military club when the issue of being of invading the falklands was discussed the being discussed and everyone turned to general walters who was raked president reagan's emissary from the united states and he simply shrugged this was taken interpreted by the argentine military as an ascent to archaeology and terence or were about to do and we also had ambassador jean kirkpatrick that evening the evening of the invasion which at the arjun khan embassy in washington she knew the invasion was
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going to take place why was she there. i think that the argentine government has a point. body called the rotten back commission which is looking into these matters but this war this conflict this issue has an extraordinary potential for being explosive not because of richard herring important but because of the emotionality you catch the issue on both sides ok alex what about the issue of self-determination i mean how strong do you think the case is for the people who live on the island for self-determination well i think. argentina has a very long history of angle argentine relations and not just that but english heritage within argentina there's no reason why the islanders the people who live on the island can't live peacefully independently within the sovereignty of argentina i mean if you look at argentina today has had
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a gun in your house or so give me about well because that they want to be british subjects ok well look you bring up a good point why you want to be british such as it can be why can't they just be british subjects within the sovereignty of argentina. what's wrong with that well as if they were under the siren control of argentina they wouldn't be british subjects. like it's very clear that some determination is based around the idea that these people are living in the falkland islands today and want to be british now this argument that they're not indigenous population well there's never been an indigenous population on the falkland islands ever in fact the closest thing we have to an indigenous population is what we have there today you're correct in saying that you know roughly forty percent of these people may have lived in the falklands for less than ten years i'm not sure those facts but that sounds about right but i mean sixty person have lived there longer and some of them have been there for generations so quite clearly this is a matter of self-determination for the people of the falkland islands wanting to
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remain british now large and tina needs to do is if they if they think they have a solution to this problem they need to say what they would do with the three thousand people living on these islands who wish to remain british if these islands were to go back on or go back into argentine control all right let me jump in guys we're going to go to a break and after that short break we'll continue our discussion of the future of the south atlantic island state party. do. you
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if. leave to. anything. illegal i want to. welcome back to crossfire and peter lavelle remind you we're talking about
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what the british called the fall when i was. in egypt. ok alex and i we were talking about the issue of self-determination and and researching this program here i'm going to i'm not an international lawyer but you know it it seems like the they are sometimes have a pretty strong case for the sovereignty over the falkland islands i mean in many many ways i mean it was that they were themselves a colony of the spanish so i mean you know it is this this is not helping either side because either side is very rigid on that but they do have still a very strong case. yes i believe they do and i want to make it clear i'm not a nut rallying for the falkland cause either i like to look at this of the perspective of a journalist but i'd be very happy to outline the arguments in argentina's favor and i think the biggest one just to respond to what luke was saying a moment ago the three thousand islanders that want to become british we should certainly respect that we should hear them and respect their their desires but also
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recognise that the basic facts twelve million argentines to three thousand people who live on a colonial vest each is not exactly equal in terms of of what they're both of the weight of both causes what we have right now is a falkland fortress and the question is do we want to continue that you can you know cameron can keep sending out as many elite destroyers as he like but it seems a bit counterproductive and what we should really be looking at here again are the velvety of argentina's claims which as you alluded to go far back both historically and also the importance of the geographic claims the resources surrounding the falkland ok i want to i want to get to the one i want to get to the way only shoot i want to tell you i should a second look i'll jump in go ahead you yes i do firstly that they don't want to become british that they are british in terms of the history of who is.

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