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claude's you are going to washington d.c. and here's what's coming up tonight on the big picture although women have made great strides toward equality in recent years we still have a long way to go to speak with maryland congresswoman donna edwards about her plan to create a fairer economy for all genders also massachusetts senator elizabeth warren is leading the charge to reinstate the glass steagall act and that time we made banking boring again and the process rejuvenated the middle class that and more into nights alone liberal rumble and the mainstream media has ignored a startling fact about the george zimmerman trial whether the public needs to know
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if it wants to understand the truth about the most controversial events in modern history tell you what that shocking shocking fact is in tonight's guilty state. it's one year you're ready to rumble joining me for tonight's long liberal are judson phillips attorney and founder of tea party nation and neil mccabe conservative commentator and editor of the guns and patriots news it on good to see you too neal and you to judge thomas good evening joining me again let's start out here with the attorney general eric holder he spoke to the twenty thirteen convention yesterday and yesterday and said he thinks it's time to reexamine the stand your ground shoot first laws in the wake of george zimmerman stand his ground shooting first and that the death of trayvon martin here's what he had to say we must confront the underlying attitudes. the mistaken beliefs and the unfortunate
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stereotypes that serve to often as the basis for police action and private judgments are separate and apart from the case that has drawn the nation's attention it's time to question laws that senselessly expand the concept of self-defense and so dangerous conflict in our neighborhoods senselessly expand self defense well according to the wall street journal quote justifiable homicides nearly doubled from two thousand to two thousand and ten according to the most recent data available when three hundred twenty six were reported the data provided by federal and state law enforcement agencies showed a sharp increase in justifiable homicides occurred after twenty two thousand and five when florida and sixteen other states passed the stand your ground shoot first laws a texas am an a and m. study quoted in that article found that quote the prospect of facing additional self-defense does not deter crime and thereby lowering the expected costs
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associated with the using lethal force castle doctrine was induce more of it it being crime and to quote actually i put it may be so stand your ground laws increase homicides don't actually protect anybody from violence is an attorney general holder right insane enough for this already it may be profitable for the people who fund wayne little peter and the la pierre and the national rifle association and it might be good politics i guess for the koch brothers and alec but it's not good for humanity judson first of all eric holder needs to come out with a surgeon general's warning taped to his forehead telling us all that his brain cells are on the endangered species list. and it's you know that's ad hominem of what you're you're right it is because i'm really fed up with eric holder but he here's why. it's a long litany that will leave me one policy well let's talk about those actual issues and the stand your ground. issue the trayvon are the george zimmerman case
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for starters it was never a quote stand your ground issue in fact there's no no yes it was it absolutely was in the jury's reaction martin is i mean i'm sure george zimmerman is lying on his back getting the crap beat out of him maybe maybe not that's what the physical proof shows no not necessarily you if you look at the video of him walking into the police station there's no blood on the back of his head his nose look spine he was just you know somehow maybe an hour later he had blood all over him but he you know when i look at that video that a.b.c. news played of what he was let out of that police car in handcuffs there was no blood there was nothing photos taken of him in the police car before he's transported the police station not only show his nose distorted blood those are not broken but that was not even suggest i said distorted i didn't say broken but they show his nose flattened out ok so years it's just. that head injury bed that george zimmerman had the right to stand his ground to the point of killing somebody would trayvon martin did not have the right to stand his ground even to the point of
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hitting somebody trayvon martin was the initial aggressor that's what all he's the one who got out of the car he's the one who initiated the confrontation trayvon martin was the one who initiated the confrontation according to the bible by walking out of the seven eleven no according to the trial testimony george zimmerman had gone out was following him the police dispatcher said go back to your car he was in the process of heading back to his car when trayvon martin he went back to his car drove around the block in quite trayvon martin coming around the next room our special entre. trayvon no evidence of that. his girlfriend said that maybe it was because he thought the zimmerman was a gay rapist there's. no yes that's really sad you know she said as you said you're talking crazy ass cracker means great gay races knowing that i mean gay rapist means gay rapist tom because that's what she said it said it's her disappears and she finished her in court know if it was the sperm appears more i didn't see the piers morgan interview i'm just going on what was said in court and what was said in court. you know was you know that and i don't get how both of you are defending
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your basically what you're saying is that george zimmerman had the right to stand his ground if there was a struggle going on if there was a struggle right of the gun dand his ground was there a struggle for the gun doesn't matter if there's a struggle to the death and while it was poured into the jury's instructions from the judge there did not have to be any gun there did not have to even be any violence there merely had to be the belief in the mind of george zimmerman that there could be violence that could lead to physical bodily and what's wrong with the standard that is used why does that not apply to trayvon martin well i think it does evolve martin was the initial aggressor and why are you married claim about him fighting back american jurisprudence has always said if you are the initial aggressor you may never use deadly force against the person you i agree and when that was brought up in court and don west said to the judge if you use that we will use this is the basis for appeal he said that would be an error on the part of the judge to say that that the incident began when george bar or george zimmerman got out of his car if you use that we will we will appeal based on that and she said ok
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we won't use it that in my opinion was the biggest mistake that was made the entire trial now the incident began the incident could have stopped all trayvon martin had to do was say hello and keep his hands in his pockets but trayvon martin that's how that's how men are supposed to behave around people who are stalking them with a gun that's crazy to say that but that's not that's crazy that is the that is the only is what i mean if you want to talk about holder you know one of the crazy things about that speech was that holder gave two incidents gave two sort of anecdotes about once when he was stopped in new jersey for speeding driving while black and then talked about when he was went to twice and then he was stopped in georgetown while he was actually driving while he was running down history and it's out and at the time he was a federal trial security but this was absolutely irresponsible of eric holder to speak to a predominantly african-american community audience that was highly sensitized to what had happen. with the jury always who are himself for
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a holder to associate himself with zimmerman and to give evidence to back up and he was associating himself with trayvon trayvon martin the point is that he was he was speaking to an audience probably everybody in that audience knew what they were knew what was gag xacto and what he did instead of talking about cooperation that was about peace and so talking about thanking the members of the white community who have done so much for civil rights in this country holder fed and animosities like like like like the assist of thousands of war dead in the civil war george zimmerman oh you know a lot about to talk about our civil war and thank white people for that no they did your good every she did before this happened a couple years before in sanford florida a white cop beat the crap out of a black homeless guy george zimmerman six hourly years waiting for those test was arrested for assaulting a police and the charge he had of restraint in order courses deads a judge you know there isn't there's a small town and he had
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a restraining order poised against him by as ex-girlfriends data shows a guy who had a history of violence and not just violence if he's willing to assault an armed police officer this guy's willing to do anything so it was dismissed. know the dismissal does not contest the fact that he assaulted the police are we talking about what is if i mean if there was a moment's pallies analogy it was not allowed in because of zimmerman's past is allowed let's talk about martin's past let's let's stipulate then that neither is passion very good so i was responding to what you knew that it was a perfect and we're going to leave ok today new york governor andrew cuomo announced the prices for premiums to be offered through his state's obamacare exchanges next year and gas suad there after fifty percent lower than current new york state health insurance premiums for example an individual now pays a grand a thousand dollars a month can expect to pay around three hundred eight dollars a month with the help of the obamacare exchanges and by the way if they make less than eighty thousand dollars you're going to pay less than that of the make less
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than forty thousand dollars a year it'll be free so now that we know obamacare is going to be a success at least the blue states that implemented it won't happen in the easy and i were bobby jindal is saying no or texas or any of what the g.o.p. plan but jan brewer is going to put in place what's the g.o.p. plan plan for residents of red states when they look around and go why do people in the state next to me get in good health care and we're getting screwed just because our republican governor is like an idiot for starters the new york health care is not going to be free somebody is going to be paying for it is just not the beneficiary class are the ones that are going to be paying for it because it's the old what's that you're talking about the people who take the most from our government the red states so i'm trying but the people who are receiving the benefit ok so you don't want people to take the most tax breaks from whatever part of it the rich billionaires the people who are receiving the health care as you're putting it the beneficiary class you're talking about the people the bankers on wall street who want to make over a billion dollars a year pay less than one percent income tom tom i'm talking about the people who are receiving this obamacare exchange they will not be paying anything you're
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talking about if you will you know wal-mart and we are subsidizing your daughter you read the article like i did and you read the part of the article where the reporter said an apples to. apples comparison year to year is impossible in judging whether or not force is. right so we don't know the price may be down but we're not sure that the benefits of the same so all benefits are already better right now your health insurance company article though you're not going to get insurance but the article is what else says it's impossible to make an apples to apples comparison year to year the other thing that happens in new york is that for years they were you were forced to give insurance to everyone but there was no individual mandate so with the women who was forced in the new york state law said that it was very difficult to deny insurance to people in new york state starting in one thousand four insurer assures right but what they slipped into a based on preexisting there was never there was never in india they could
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arbitrarily deny it there was it was more difficult than other places but it will do every time preexisting conditions they could still they still had lifetime maxes why wife just went through cancer treatment she had her life lifetime maximum three quarters of the way it was more difficult than other places tom and that but there was no individual mandate in new york now with an individual mandate you're going to take a bunch of young people who don't need as much insurance and you're going to flush them into the system so they're going to be so overjoyed i are not paying for it when they get a car accident show up in the air i'm not sure what that means i'm saying that there's a bunch of young people who tend to self insure would prefer. is a weird way of saying we all are insuring them they're not insuring themselves some twenty year old who's who's working at a nine dollars an hour job gets seriously sick or in a serious excess you and i are going to pay for we don't know that that's myself and give them that we're not allowed to give them a high deductible catastrophic plan that young people will refer to them a good plan so they'll go to the doctor they'll stay well i think if you look at
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bottom line is people who wouldn't be in an insured in the pool have been forced into the pool and that's driving the cost down more of tonight's low rubble. as the last word after tomorrow. i would rather as questions for people in positions of power instead of speak on their behalf and that's why you can find my show larry king now right here on r.t. question more. you know how sometimes you see a story and it seems so for lengthly you think you understand it and then you glimpse something else and you hear or see some other part of it and realize
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everything you thought you knew you don't know i'm charming welcome to the big picture. here is mitt romney trying to figure out the name of that thing that we americans call a dollar. i'm sorry i'm just a guy who cares an awful lot about my country you sir are a fool you know what kind of mind a terrorist cells in your neighborhood all want to keep us safe to feature a sufi on the lip all the christian colleges. to secure the beliefs of others. to secure the support you need distracts us from what you and i should care about because their profit driven industry that sells us sensationalistic garbage because
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it breaking news i'm having martin and we're going to break that. disk. welcome back joining me for tonight's lone liberal miller judson phillips and neil mccabe guys let's get back to it yesterday the senate came to an agreement over president obama's executive appointments sort of i you know this strikes me as like you know the senate give it the center of the republicans give it the republicans take away. at least for now harry reid is not using the so-called limited nuclear option but as a result of the deal two of president obama's appointees for the n.l.r.b. are basically being kicked out of there but black and richard griffen and they're going to be replaced with nancy shaffer and can hear as but the point is that you
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know we're getting e.p.a. labor c.p.s. be richard cordray was appointed today or not could at least actually i think the vote to have a vote went through today did it or did that. because the final he was sworn into it ok but what what sticks in my craw about this is that the republicans you know their job is to say yes or no to a president's appointments not to cut a deal saying i will let you have some will and you have others we're not going to give you a reason we don't have any specific objection to the person we just want to be like hard ass about it i mean basically mitch mcconnell shove this down barack obama's throat in my opinion i think you know everybody saying oh the republicans lost the republicans got screwed i think connell or maternal whatever mitch mcconnell might have lost the war battle and won the war because i think that what he did was he took a bite out of presidential power here ridiculous why well first of all you know all you need to know is that when reid gave his press conference he said i was been
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told by one of my colleagues not to gloat have you ever ever in your life met a politician who didn't who didn't claim victory i mean i know i know john senior when he got the sequester is that i got ninety eight percent of everything i wanted now cordray one zero three. getting cordray was a disaster because the consumer financial protection bureau spun out of treasury only upon the confirmation of its first director so the care they were starting to average consumer and so the congress was and the republicans were unable to get reforms of this rogue agency which is now liberated the reforms of this row it's rogue agency it's always known as the roads were known for you has already has already taken a half a billion dollars the credit card companies and banks were stealing from you and judson and me and forced them to give it back to us it's on camera probably in dollars that what ended up in jail diamonds pocket other raz is a resident is radek for rezzes a monster and mccarthy is the one who is the battle captain for the war on coal the
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republican should have opposed them by any means necessary to oppose them on the basis of their of their qualifications no people were personnel are you know if you don't like the agency vote the agency out of existence they didn't do that they couldn't do that and one stone time to lock the appointments that is a violation because that's pretty in the face of george washington a couple things real quick number one turn about the consumer financial protection agency that things have disaster to begin with and we have because it's a massive bureaucracy we had a better eye as it is because it has saved a half a billion dollars for you know you are so far. at how much at what cost are there is a much better way to do it at a miniscule cost to fit what you want is it and there's always operated there was a much better way to do it in our founding fathers put it in the constitution it's called the seventh amendment all they had to do you know what the seventh amendment is yeah it's you have the right to a speedy trial no no no this is sixty seven things you have a right to a trial of judge jury your peers honor your mother and father. place the right to
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a civil jury trial. instead of bringing this in matters over rocker so for ten dollars it's i think it's fifty but yeah whatever but instead of creating this massive. all they had to do was authorize a private cause of action for plaintiffs and this is going to mean that our way the supreme court has already said you can't have class action lawsuits if you're going to have aggressive you're going to try a five dollar lawsuit because the way any lawyer is going to take it is a class action and john roberts took that away last year about exactly overruled the supreme our borders no he did and you know why congress what do you say because you have one employee said you couldn't extrapolate one employee make a class action out all this with this was the third third class action case of the supreme court is knocked out of the last decade i mean this is they're basically i mean a class action cases are increasingly a thing of the past and they're shifting everything to are forced arbitration the ok and we have a wider area that is where it's a rule and i think it's like just they take that and then take it out of business
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whether they're trying to do a little know they're not there they're saying we don't want this guy in charge of it out anybody in charge of this but the confirmation of the first director is what's on it from treasury to the federal reserve which is his duty it that the that the legislative branch what they're in tied in the dog frank law it says it doesn't spin out as rove until the first director is confirmed. line three page twenty two roadies twenty two fast pass the bill but let's go back to your words word rogue is not it go let i want to move along actually with regard to you'll find a similar scene last steidl messages to senator elizabeth warren to see n.b.c. where yeah i just you know i'm watching you see n.b.c. people who are interviewing elizabeth warren and the setups are so full of assumptions that are so stupid to begin i would just like i can't believe i actually did you decide to are like on the set really i mean you know elizabeth warren you know crosses you know but watch this. matter what we do there
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will be bank boom and bust cycles no matter what the laws and regulations you can't protect every now that is just wrong why look at the history i've read history will produce the damage that it was your idea that it does you know nice to meldrum's seventeen ninety seven to nine hundred thirty three the american banking system crashed about everything. in one thousand nine hundred thirty three we put good reforms in place for which glass steagall was kind of beat and from one thousand nine hundred thirty three to the early nineteen eighty that the fifty year period we didn't have any of them none yeah none of that and then we had three major do regulatory reforms during the reagan and clinton ministration that led to more and more deregulation of banks and we have more and more and worse and worse crashes of banks. isn't senator warren right shouldn't we be making banking for it
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again i think one of the problems with the with the eighty's is a increased saver deposit insurance from fifty from forty thousand to one hundred thousand and then basically the bankers then took this new government in short money and went crazy but they wouldn't they were all and actually that was not true in the eighty's because in the eighty's glass steagall was still in place so if you had eighty thousand dollars in a day in an insured deposit account the bank could not borrow money loan you without telling you and gamble it in a savings or own our prices they offer it was real estate this is the s. and l. crisis was before clinton and phil gramm and all those people program but it wasn't it wasn't based on derivatives and b. it wasn't using insured well we have no problem with the revenue because derivatives aren't sure you have a six hundred fifty trillion dollar market and true there's no problem to sixty five trillion dollars that's a problem it was nine hundred ninety nine derivatives are insurance the way they are is off they're not insurance they're a product no options are insured they are the. i there is boy that's where you are
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right premier that's what you sell that's what you sell and buy you know if you if you buy v x x which is betting that the stock market's going to go down that's i'm sure if there's somebody on the other side of this someone on the other side of that transaction there is but it's a bet it's like but back to your point and this is this is you know you're saying that that you know i'm assuming that you know that in one thousand nine hundred ninety two thousand with the consumer project with the blue graham leach bliley and the commodities futures modernization act yeah basically they blew a glass steagall they said ok the money that the deposit banks the old fashioned what they called commercial bank in savings banks not so estelle's but you know where you have your savings account you're trying to get those kind of banks didn't used to be able to take your checking account and my checking account and go out and gamble with it i was amazing what a memory was generated on the thousand yes i did but it was wonderful thank you very much but let me just after two thousand they were able and they are today
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they're able to take our money and gamble with it and less wrong it's always well let's just step back and i think a judge some would agree with me is that what if the government just stopped guaranteeing things as a national to see you know and they just said all right do what you want buyer beware if you want to put your money in a mattress put your money in a mattress you want to buy a government bond guy by a government bond and we're not going to backstop all this gambling very good reason why not to do what you're suggesting because when we did that in the one nine hundred twenty s. when we had the roaring twenties and everything was gone just wonderful it when was ailing wonderful when the banks failed as a consequence of all those excesses yes average middle class working people were the first to get wiped out because all their money in the bank was gone and that's what would happen again and so let's at least say if somebody has net worth is a quarter million dollars or less or one hundred thousand dollars in one thousand nine hundred eighty you know eight thousand dollars or less we're going to at least cover their butt and the develop different depression also created new generations of people who are more conservative with their money just. the deal is right about
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one thing the government guarantees everything and what happens when you get the government guaranteed everything you get bad behavior and see everything the government guarantees a myriad of banking services for example guaranteed student loans you get people who go to harvard who spent two hundred fifty thousand dollars to get a degree and should we don't have to our loans we should we should be we should be sending people to college for free but that's that's beyond the point that what it is about warren is talking about is that banks that take deposit money and have checking accounts should not without your knowledge and without your consent they should not be taking that money and investing it in bets on derivatives well on property in thailand will lead warn start that bank and then she can have that agreement with her depositors instead of imposing it on a on free market and so which brings us back to you're willing to have the average the average person who's just looking for a bank if they happen to walk into one of the corner and said like they're going to check you can have them lose everything because the banks are zero gambling on property and yes yes that's what i'm saying and that's and that's the i guess
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that's the fundamental difference between the two of us i think that that middle class people in this country deserve some protection from billionaire predators and if there was real you go and pay if there was a moral hazard and he would pay attention you want to cure the quote billionaire predators start sending some of them to jail when their banks fail one of their bills under way the other party with you on that ronald reagan did that it was something one of the reasons why you pulled over pay attention as closely as they should is what johnson was saying is because of this guarantee people assume that the government's just going to backstop it. you know the in terms of in terms of their deposits under forty million dollars should be private profits but night public. it's private losses problem with that he sounds very sick you very you know very high over there you know it's not now robbery is that you think in the past we've wiped out we've destroyed the lives of millions of people and you know where this is the standing broken family there's a lot of people who didn't make it through the thirty's really well a lot of that was created by the federal reserve which was started what nine hundred thirteen with nine hundred thirty s.
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the one nine hundred thirteen they created a good reserve because they were allies by hoover's policies when he came into office one hundred twenty on the pop on the campaign leaning over enemy of less business in government more more more business in government as you know every business a tradition reply chicken in every part deficit spending ship it canoe and. we will not have you turn a great typical. great photograph but i just said phillips. joseph thank you both of you to talk. after the break we'll talk with congresswoman debbie donna edwards of maryland's fourth district about what we can do to make our economy fair for all americans regardless of gender.
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plus time of the new alert and. scared me a little bit. there is breaking news tonight and we are continuing to follow the breaking news. alexander's family cry tears of joy and even greater things out there that there had to be adequately rendered in a court of law. is the story. playing out in real life. a
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little worse if you're going to. the white house or the. radio guy for a minute. because you've never seen anything like this. is it possible to navigate the economy with all the details to stick from misinformation and media hype will keep you up to date by decoding the mainstream status it's in your right.
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back women are playing an unprecedented role in the american economy and workforce right now nearly half of all workers in the u.s. are women and close to forty percent of women are the primary breadwinners for their families all these new system statistics are very encouraging women are still finding it tough to make enough to provide for their families women earn on average only seventy seven cents on the dollar compared to their male counterparts and the poverty rate for women in the united states which stands at sixteen point three percent is the highest it's been in nearly two decades fortunately democrats in washington are working hard to both address the current obstacles that women face and to ensure their continued success in the workforce joining me now to discuss more about her plan to create an equal economy and more equal economy is congresswoman donna edwards representative from maryland's fourth congressional
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district congresswoman welcome back thank you tom good to be. great to have you what exactly is the women's economic agenda i understand you're laying it out tonight for the publicly for the first time what we are and i mean you you know said some of the most important things and it is true that there are more women in the workforce now but you know it's a real challenge to earn a decent living start a business take care of child care take off when you need to take care of your children in your your family members and so women need an economic agenda for the twenty first century and the fact is that when women succeed america succeeds and so that means two thirds of women who make minimum wage increasing the minimum wage for that pay gap that you talked about seventy seven cents on a dime on the dollar closing that pay gap so that families actually earn more money and then making sure that women have the capacity to create the kinds of small businesses that are a stalemate you know stalemate for this this economy and so that's part of the
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women's economic agenda and i know that when i was a young mom what was really important to me because two thirds of the women in this country do work and they have school age children making sure this quality in affordable child care and universal pre-kindergarten things that president obama has called for and it's time for all of us to be on board for that kind of agenda so for your women's economic agenda do you have you know sort of like newt gingrich's contract with america given what a ten point plan or do you are there is or or are they the more broad strokes that you just talked about is there a specific piece of legislation well so let's look at pay when you think about pay it's both about wages so increasing the minimum wage and making sure that that covers tipped workers because a lot of women are working. for tips and they need to be able to take care of themselves and their family closing that pay gap with fair pay legislation each of these things that are tied to a legislative agenda making sure that women entrepreneur is real. can exist in this
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economy and you know expanding child care child care is a really big deal for american women we want to know that when we go to work which we're doing and we're primary breadwinners in forty forty percent of our families we want to make sure that our children have quality affordable child care and that's about an economic agenda but it requires a legislative agenda on the part of members of congress but we have you know we live in a time right now were republicans in the house of representatives just passed a farm bill that provided billions of dollars in welfare for giant corporations like archers daniel midline and monsanto and whatnot i don't know specifically which the companies are but i'm assuming you know the largest ag companies but not literally not one penny for poor people or for working people and particularly for working people i mean you know the the wal-mart employees are among the largest single group of people in the united states who are taking food stamps if we can't
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even get food stamps passed through this congress how can we get something like a good program for for child care in the united states well let me just say that women make the asli more than half of this of the country and of our electorate and i think that it's important for us to lay out a neck of economic agenda that really does work for women so that we can galvanize them for the kind of support that you talk about i mean it is wretched that the congress that the house of representatives passed a farm bill without nutrition without meals on wheels and food stamps and school nutrition programs these are things that are important to women important to working women and working families as well and so i'm not saying it's going to be easy tom you know a lot of the things that we've worked on haven't been easy but it's important for us to articulate an agenda for working women an agenda for an economic agenda that
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really responds to what women are experiencing in their. lives experiencing their lives as workers and as breadwinner winners and taking care of themselves and their family and i think when that happens we'll have the kind of congress the kind of elected officials who actually are responsible responsive to that agenda i think i think you're right congresswoman edwards only congresswoman donna edwards and. the food stamp part of the farm bill at a certain level i don't want to say it makes sense but it's kind of republican predictable you know it's like anything that has to do with poor people or the working poor they're going to trash and that's why they try so hard to means test social security for example because if they can turn into a welfare program they know they can trash it and they by and large have over the years been successful and in trashing poor people what you're talking about with regard to women in this larger umbrella is you know women being fifty percent fifty fifty one percent of the american population representing the entire spectrum from
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people who are very poor to people who are very very wealthy do you think that by putting forward a women's agenda that is not limited to poor women but that that represents the needs and concerns of that broad cross section you have a greater chance of getting electoral victory and and actually moving the whole political process well it isn't just women across the economic spectrum it's actually across that red blue spectrum republican and democratic women unmarried women are women who are really experiencing this economy in a different way sixteen point three percent of women are in poverty now that's the highest that it's been in seventeen years and so this experience of the economy is real and i think that when women here across this country that we're talking about a full spectrum economic agenda that covers both their pay and their wages covers their experience they need paid sick leave for example to be able to take care of
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both their. or family members who are sick you know children parents in that kind of sandwich generation and of course they need to make sure that their children have the kind of educational opportunity with universal pre-k. and quality affordable childcare i think when you cover those three elements of pay work and family life balance and child care you're responsive to women across that spectrum republicans democrats wealthy women and women who are really working and struggling. congresswoman edwards as an african-american woman and a parent i'm curious your thoughts on the zimmerman verdict well it's interesting you mention that i've been in a lot of conversation frankly with my son who's now soon to be twenty five years old and we were recalling the time since he was a a teenager growing up
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a young man speaking to him about the rules of the road when it came to going outside and and and being out where you might be stopped or you might be bothered and it really struck home with me as a mother and so i think there are number of things that we have to do with our children to protect our children but also really protecting our children and our communities from gun violence and i think that that is a large conversation that still looms in this country and that is true in rural communities and it's certainly true in our urban communities as well. on another network chris matthews was speaking with an after american reporter for the washington post who told him of you know stories about not being able to get a cab and things and chris come out a boy i had no idea i've known people for years and years and they've never told me these stories or really shocked me that you know a white guy in his sixty's would would say what about i had no idea although you
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know as as a white guy myself. i have to say i was probably in my forty's when i really started to have an understanding of what white privilege meant from the point of view of an african-american from from from you know looking at it is there and i think that this juror number thirty seven or whatever i think she really illustrates how ignorant so many white people are about the african-american experience is there a way to communicate that to the larger white population that's not you know confrontational in your face but is informative well you need to be doing that i think we do and i have to tell you i wasn't really surprised by chris's comments and i've known chris for some time i mean i think that it's time for people to walk in my son shoes to have the experience of being on an elevator and have people step away from you to be on a subway and have people sit someplace else because they don't want to sit by you because they make assumptions about who you are that is my child's experience that
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is my son's experience and experience of so many young african-american kids all across this country and it's wrong i mean it really is wrong and so i think it's time for so many for other people to step in my son shoes to step in trayvon martin's shoes because i think will help them understand the kinds of behaviors and attitudes that we have in so many communities that really put these young people in jeopardy i think you're as there right now as brilliantly said congresswoman donna edwards thanks so much for joining us tonight thank you. is the good the bad of the very very high marrow straight. heroes straight to the ugly good new york daily news the monday edition of the paper featured. powerful
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cover which features an empty hoodie covered by a list of names of young african-american men killed because of their race it's encouraging to see any mainstream publication let alone a tabloid like the daily news so directly confront the racial issues at the heart of the death of trayvon martin good work daily news the bad reuters if you thought the u.k. based wire service was the standard for all news than think again according to x. reuters employee david fogarty his editors told him that climate environment stories are no longer a top priority for reuters and that he should look for at other areas his property also revealed a few higher ups in the company told him that they were literally that they personally were climate change skeptics his revelations are especially troubling because the wire service has published a slew of stories in recent months minimizing the impact of anthropogenic human
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made climate change on reuters is supposed to give us the facts not flat earth society propaganda and a very very ugly michael cutler during monday's edition of your world with neil cavuto the conservative pundit lamented the fact that the pending gang of eight immigration bill might make it more difficult to exploit workers seriously take a look. you know we sort of one nine hundred eighty six i was an agent for thirty years i had a front row seat to the eighty six amnesty if you give lawful status to a bunch of illegal aliens who are being exploited guess what they will no longer be willing to be exploited they will demand to be paid on the books they will have the right to expect that they will be treated equally as americans but more actually michael as it's currently structured the immigration bill will give you and your corporate buddies thirteen more years to exploit cheap labor but in all honesty your comments are pretty revealing about the real reason the republicans oppose
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immigration reform and that is. is fairly clearly. talking about the same story doesn't make it news. snow possibly says to me tough question thank you. i mean. you know sometimes you see a story and it seems so for lengthly you think you understand it and then you
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glimpse something else and you hear or see some other part of it and realize everything you thought you knew you don't know i'm sorry welcome to the big picture . i would rather as questions to people in positions of power instead of speaking on their behalf and that's why you can find my show larry king now right here on r.g.p. question more. looking
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every guy up in the field the block. you won't find it here if you're looking for relevant stories unique perspective from tom my skin's start. to the rest of the news in the wake of saturday's not guilty verdict in the george zimmerman trial americans across the country are reacting and speaking out in a wide variety of ways from staging nonviolent protests to peaceful vigils some are also calling for boycotts in response to that zimmerman verdict at a concert in quebec canada on sunday fame musician stevie wonder pledged not to perform in florida and told that state repeals its stand your ground should first law take a look. at. least. is
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this. now the institute of the black world twenty first century is encouraging a boycott of their own civil rights and racial justice organization announced today that they're calling for an economic boycott of florida as a way of seeking justice for trayvon martin joining me now to talk more about the proposed boycott is dr rein ron daniels president of the institute of the black world twenty first century i could daniels welcome. good to be with you tom thanks for joining us to first of all tell us a little bit about the i.b.e.w. in the work that you're going to as well instead of the black will twenty first century is a progressive resource center which works on a number of projects most recently a day of direct action about the war on drugs which were opposed to and were opposed to mass incarceration and we are encouraging the president to invest in what i call it what we call america's dog ghettos that's an important part of the work that we do we also do training for young servant leaders we have
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a black bag. some of the black professional organizations that are the come together to talk about how to preserve and maintain and build sustainable black families so that's the heart of what we do building collaboration's networking in order to try to build stronger black communities in this period that's sounds like you know god's work i mean the good stuff i'm curious also curious to what extent you you may be able to or may even be thinking about oppression doing in large in the frame a little bit too to bring in a larger coalition for example you mention nixon's war on drugs i call it nixon's war on drugs the war on drugs. tea partiers are opposed to the war on drugs i mean there's a broad cross-section young people in america older people in america think it's absurd or are you are you really calling more on the black community in the after american community united states to focus on one that we want everybody to focus
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not about our particular concern is the war on drugs has a disproportionate impact on the african-american community this is one of the reasons why we join the struggle we're not the only organization doing this work certainly the drug policy alliance ethan nadelmann has been one of the great leaders on this issue open societies foundation. law enforcement against prohibition there are many many organizations but app my concern is that there is a state of emergency in black america and that's really a part of what's this trayvon martin case of the bottom of the zimmerman verdict is all about with this tremendous you know unemployment under-employment joblessness joblessness crime fratricide bias mass incarceration and it's an issue that almost nobody is paying attention to and we keep screaming there is a state of emergency in black america and particularly among those who've been left out the civil rights human rights movement obviously produce large numbers of black people who have gone into the middle class who are doing quite well we've got
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mayors we have has a corporate. corporate executives but for those people in the urban areas there's been no or been policy for many many years tremendous disinvestment right in the end decimalization is william julius wilson this work as distant disappeared and what's been left behind is this combustible calm a cauldron of dysfunction which again these need some attention so for us it's not just a matter of ending the war on drugs in an hour but in and of itself and for itself we want to do that but it is agreed that the war on drugs is a war on us and certainly michelle alexander's book the new jim crow demonstrates that we have to be opposed to it and find safe humane and just alternatives like that if i have the head of absa got it dr di daniels and then thank you for that i'm curious how your. boycott of florida is this just of airing and economic effort with regard to florida the trayvon trayvon martin or
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they george zimmerman verdict i guess tell us about that we have about a minute and a half larger tell us about that and what you hope to accomplish and how it's going to work what is tremendous anger and outrage all across the country but the point is they are and our race has to have a focus and that focuses things to me and to ask those two things number one in florida and indeed across the country those who are angry need to register and vote we can change the complection potentially of the legislator in florida because my estimate is probably twenty twenty five percent of black people particularly young people in florida are not registered or do not vote beyond that black people spent a tremendous amount of money and florida as was dr martin luther king said to us the night before he was killed in a not too well often not often quoted part of a speech we can inflict pain on those who in fact are inflicting pain on us and so that means that the stand your ground law needs to be changed one of the way the other ways to do that is for us to withdraw our patronage and we can do that simply
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by having our people doing conversions not to those can. and are you doing this just in florida or in all states that have none of this is that we have to have one target at the time we start with florida and when we went in florida we can go to the next state and the idea is to create some psychological momentum this can work because we spend billions of dollars and not just black people our allies women labor lives we they a gay groups can be involved in this effort as well and progressives all across this got an absolute with a duck to run daniels thank you very much thank you so much i really appreciate it . why is it the trayvon martin and george zimmerman were judged by different standards ever says a seminole county florida jury found george zimmerman not guilty of murdering trayvon martin the mainstream media has made
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a special effort to point out the florida's stand your ground shoot first laws played no role in zimmerman's acquittal here for example is a clip of cnn's chris kabuto from sunday dismissing dismissing the stand your ground impact on the trial. stand your ground we all talk about it it did not play a role in this jury's verdict areas they didn't need to use that law wasn't even argued at trial chris is just wrong respectfully stand your ground isn't just some stand alone law it's a complete modification of florida's rules governing the use of deadly force for self defense as a result it played an essential role in the zimmerman trial in fact it created two different standards by which the six jurors judged both george zimmerman and trayvon martin as former florida state senator dan gelber as pointed out pre jeb bush pre-college brothers pre alec florida law would have required the following instructions to be read to a jury in a self defense murder trial like the one we just saw the defendant if it had been
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george zimmerman cannot justify the use of force likely to cause death or great bodily harm unless he has used every reasonable means within his power and consistent with his own safety to of more of the danger before resorting to that force the fact that the defendant if it was george zimmerman who was wrongfully attacked cannot justify his use of force likely to cause death or great bodily harm if by retreating he could have avoided the need to use that force note that those instructions. note that according to these jury instructions that i just shared with you the defendant must do everything possible including retreating before attempting to use deadly force when confronted with a threat in two thousand and five and before two thousand and five where there was a deadly threat or simply the threat of violence or even when confronted with actual violence like being punched in the face or not to bateman the legal
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obligation was to work yourself free and run. all that changed in florida in two thousand and six when that state's brand spanking new and alec promoted stand your ground and shoot first law came into effect since two thousand and six the stand your ground to shoot first concept has become fully integrated into florida's law regarding self-defense and the use of deadly force that is why the jury instructions for the zimmerman jury included stand your ground language because that language is now part of florida's law about self-defense listen carefully to the difference between the you must retreat language that i just read you a second ago from the pretty two thousand and six jury instructions and the instructions used in the zimmerman trial remember before two thousand and six florida laws said that even if the other guy started the fight you still had an obligation to run again the old rule or read as follows the fact that the defendant
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was wrongfully attacked can not justify his use of force likely to cause death or great bodily harm if by retreating he could have avoided the need to use that force by comparison here are the stand your ground instructions that actually were read by the judge to the zimmerman jury. the danger facing george zimmerman need not have been actual however according to justify the use of deadly force the up parents of danger must have been so real that a reasonably cautious and prudent person under the same circumstances would have known leaved that the danger could be avoided only through the use of that force based upon appearances george zimmerman must have actually believed that the danger was real george zimmerman had no duty to retreat and had the right to stand his ground and meet force with force including deadly force if he reasonably
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believed that it was necessary to do so to prevent death or great bodily harm to himself in the resume or bruhn didn't even have to have a threat of deadly force used against him all he had to do was imagine and believe that there was such a threat and instead of running he could stand his ground and shoot first to kill which he did even more interesting is that this is both in the actual zimmerman trial and in the trial conducted in the american media were both trayvon martin and george zimmerman were both essentially on trial in the courtroom proceedings trayvon martin was being judged as part of zimmerman's self-defense argument why didn't he run away from zero on the defense asked because martin didn't run away zimmerman's lawyers suggested that zimmerman was justified in killing him this was so explicit in the trial the defense attorney mark o'mara even asked for four minutes of silence during his closing argument as if to demonstrate that trayvon
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martin had plenty of time to turn and run. and in the public trial of trayvon martin commentators have repeatedly asked why didn't the seventeen year old just run away from the armed man who was chasing him as one of florida's most famous white pastors bill keller argued in a recent op ed the facts were clear that trayvon martin had more than enough time to get back to his father's house but chose instead to confront zimmerman break his nose and continue to violate its ak. for the record his nose wasn't broken you know other words trayvon martin should have run away so the question why was trayvon martin judged both in the trial and in the media on the basis of the pre two thousand and six florida's self-defense law that requires a person to do everything they can to avoid violence and to include running away why was martin judge judged by that and perhaps more importantly why is nobody in the media pointing this out if there is astounding by this is i am you may want to contact your local media outlet and ask them that very question and that's the way
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it is that i wednesday july seventeenth two thousand and thirteen and don't forget democracy begins with you your at. some of these traditional chili lines they've been bred and developed and passed down from generation to. this is a total destruction of the culture of mexico by telling them i mean this this is not going to impact asylum in mexico whatever happens here we're going to have to hope we're all now we're eating antibiotics in the in the you know in the you know all the organs that work for. genetically engineered crops why do you think this country is full of obese and sick people because we have a crappy food system. let
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me let me are going to let me ask you a question. here on this network is what we have in the bank we have our knives out. but the truth is this really just a bad thing never get here in a situation where b. and i don't agree to talk about the surveillance. what drives american foreign policy values are merely interests washington claims it supports democracy as a universal value but makes glaring exceptions when it suits its shield political purposes and what about the neo conservative agenda is it the genetic code the pax americana.
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coming up on our t.v. n.s.a. whistleblower edward snowden stay in the moscow airport may be coming to an end so will he be staying in russia or headed elsewhere an update on the case ahead and it's not only members of capitol hill who have a bone to pick with the n.s.a. over a dozen organizations are now filing a lawsuit against the n.s.a.'s expanding surveillance program more on this developing story coming up also protests continue still days after george zimmerman received a not guilty verdict efforts are also being made on capitol hill to repeal stand your ground laws and to limit racial profiling this story later in the show. it's wednesday july seventeenth eight p. .


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