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that is a crime but if you use a copycat call made in mexico to blow your neighbors off well that's ok because it's a generic copy no no sane person would allow generic drug producers to have no liability for their product but that's just my opinion. to live on one hundred thirty three bucks a month for food i should try it because you know how fabulous i'd like i don't. i mean. i know that i'm still really messed up. and we're all very closely. at that. worst case for the food. fight out sick of a. radio guy for a minute from a click. what. we're about to give you never seen anything like this i'm telling.
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you. what's good for those looking to break in the set i mean all ruffle oh you know between all that coverage of shark nato and the news of that nasty he wave crawling up the east coast i'm glad the mainstream media did take some time to talk about this important news story. as american as baseball apple pie and celebrity gossip twinkies are returning new owners are heralding the sweetest comeback in the history of ever it's amazing day in american history one of the great tragedies a very good streak average several months ago would twiggy one out of business but they're back apparently they've got leaner operating costs so damned twinkies may also be a little aimed at the new boxes hitting sales lists that takes it as having two hundred seventy calories and a weight of seventy seven grams but see that's right folks everyone's favorite preserve. filled piece of americana is back some beef with the sugary piece of this
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knowledge of c. while the hostess company has returned will have as much smaller payroll having downsized from twenty five hundred to just eight hundred workers the fewer employees are the result of the company choosing to outsource delivery and the automation of many of the old jobs the company also used to have about six hundred outlet stores that served hostess products directly to consumers with those stores will be won't be reopened either so it's not really great news for hundreds of former hostess employees that might have been hopeful if that was in bad enough hostess union workers are also officially a thing of the past since the company basically declared bankruptcy last year in the midst of an ongoing conflict between unions and c.e.o.'s in the company plans on having zero unions this time around as you can imagine that affects salaries pensions and overall working conditions to me it sounds like hostess is following in the typical footsteps of american corporations outsource jobs replace employees with machines and kill worker unions but that's a side of the story you're not likely to hear in the corporate media which is
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exactly why we're breaking the set. i. i i. so guys i'm sure you've heard by now that secretary of homeland security janet napolitano has decided to resign to that end of it would be appropriate to reflect on some of the legacies she leaves behind first on the list drones the pulitzer has been one of the biggest proponents of drones most notably she's been instrumental in the program's expansion by piloting a platform to use drones as a means of patrolling the american canadian border and under her direction the d.h.s.s. actually considered mounting quote non-lethal weapons patrol drones but it's not just drones you can also think to pull a ton of was streamlining data collecting through fusion centers for homeland security and the department of justice can share what they learned from the perpetual monitoring of our communications see back in two thousand and nine the
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d.h.s.s. released reports detailing the criteria for surveillance targets as quote extremists the only problem being that the new definition of extremist is any person or group that's anti-government that's right any activist or dissident in this country anyone who is the least bit critical of u.s. policies is an extremist this is exactly why the occupy wall street movement had that you know disproportionate scrutiny with protesters being investigated as terrorist yes folks under janet napolitano this is the new face of extremism now seriously though what's perhaps most important to point out about his legacy is actually the outright denial that all of this is even going on you see following the revelations of the n.s.a. spying program pull a ton of defended the n.s.a. saying that quote i think people have gotten the idea that there's an orwellian state that's out there that somehow we're operating in that's far from the case no one should believe that we're simply going willy nilly and using any kind of data we can gather. well unfortunately that's exactly what the government is doing.
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seems to me that going willy nilly and spying on everyone is just standard operating procedure these days but even as we bid farewell to secretary napolitano the future still looks bleak considering that president obama president obama recently hinted that someone that the administration is considering as for replacement so that it is none other than mr ray kelly turn and white police commissioner and head of the largest counterterrorism force in the country kelly is also the guy behind the n.y.p.d. infamous stop and frisk program policy that allowed the police to stop and just about anyone they find suspicious keep in mind though the hundreds of thousands that were stopped each year the vast majority are black and latino but this trepidation toward minorities seems to be a hallmark of kelly's career case in point the n.y.p.d. has massive surveillance of muslim communities in new york and other parts of the country for six years then that after nine eleven the n.y.p.d.
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infiltrated muslim student groups put informants in mosques and catalog countless muslims without suspicion. here's the best part after all that spying and monitoring and invasion of privacy the program led to zero leads in terror cases and still mr kelly defends this program as a means to national security so there you have it a brief rundown of the man who may be our next secretary of homeland security because we have a lot to look forward to i still think drones will soon be king of the skies over america well news reports in florida have confirmed that drone crash confirmed a drone crash along florida highway today the second such crash in a week's time now it's no secret that spy drones keep a constant eye over the u.s. southern border but their use here domestically is really starting to grow just last month f.b.i. director robert mueller acknowledged before
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a senate hearing that domestic drones are being used for surveillance by local law enforcement once again raising concerns over the implications this has on the privacy of american citizens at the here in california senator dianne feinstein added that quote the greatest threat to the privacy of americans is the drone and the use of the drone and the very few regulations that are now opening their eyes i'm sorry it's a threat that many americans are now opening their eyes to some creating their own defense to the expansion of such surveillance and now some people mainly my next guest has created something called the drone shield a device that alerts you when one of these unmanned flying robots is overhead so joining me now to talk about this innovation and the effect of drones on your privacy is john franklin founder of the drone shield program john thank you so much for coming on the show a limited edition i haven't i haven't so i really want to get started here and ask you what made you want to create this product like what me how did the drone shield
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idea come to be well vollmann. dro didn't start off trying to detect them in fact i first want to use this guy right here to take a look at my roof and in the process of unpacking it by the way it's cheaper than a ladder and in the process of trying it out in a depression in my neighbor's yard so this is something that people can just purchase it's you told me earlier that these are very affordable just about anybody can do this this is less expensive than the latter would be and it comes with a high definition camera so you know i thought might be a lot more fun fun way to get to see my roof and a lot easier to store than a sixty foot ladder and what you brought you brought the actual device this is the drone shield right here can you and you brought the how does it how does it all work well so sort of to wrap up the story i know crashing my neighbor's yard and you know it was a big incident and you know combine that with the kind of ambient you know discussion the media of drones and privacy concerns it dawned on me that nobody was addressing drones from
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a technological perspective and we thought you know with cheap bottom processing power this is a raspberry pi right here for thirty five dollars you know linux computer basically as powerful as your i phone and you know other cheap components we can actually detect the audio signature of a drone so i actually have a demo set up here so you could by the way this is the feed from the so that is watching me right there and it is seeing myself right here you see the camera so if you're flying this in your neighbor's yard you are able to see this through yeah right there is pretty cool so how does the device work did it listens in to see what the we've got is a signature database we have to train it to work on different types of drones and we have to also inform about false alarms generators and basically once everything's calibrated correctly it should be able to alert the user by sending a text message or an email to their smartphone now got a quick question for you i want to play you this this this sound bite that i found
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earlier from general dynamics at the rate the technology is going right now it looks like this is really the future of drones i wonder if we have that clip. maybe these will be integrated into future force layered sensing systems these systems may be air dropped or handle launched depending on the mission requirements. the small size of them maybe allows them to be plain sight once in place and then they can enter a power to extended surveillance mode for missions lasting weeks all right can your device watch out for the terminator pigeon perched outside my house. it's fantastic. seems to me that that's where technology is going right now so i guess my question for you is in the future as more technology continues to develop drones become more sophisticated will devices like what you created here that's monitoring
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for for for drones be as ubiquitous as like a radar detector is right now do you think well yes even those little miniaturize devices would have to communicate with their sensing to someone who's interested in seeing that and you might be able pick up on that conceivably i can't say for sure i don't know how they work but you know that's the american thing going on so so that you had a campaign this is this is a startup company what kind of uses are our people fighting for right now we're kind of for those of you know folks out there that are kind of interested in what you're doing what kind of calls are you getting well during the campaign i was amazed by the level of interest we got from just citizens all over the country and citizens of other countries you know we have preorders from germany japan poland israel all over the place and fact i got an e-mail from a woman who was concerned her ex-husband was you know using a drone to monitor her children you know so i think there's that was the interest we got during the campaign and i was starting to see people who were interested in
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. you know maybe the campaign got some legitimacy and maybe. we can target of the you know applications there are people commercial interests that want to know if they're being surveilled you can think of you have a prototype brand new car. you don't want someone to get a look at the brand new corvette or something you can that's far down the road right now we're focused on the community aspect to make this a real success we're going to have to replicate the success of the academics have had in the machine learning realm that means hosting a database that anybody can contribute to anybody can try their hand to developing algorithms or so you're hoping to build something larger something more community based where people can can jump in absolutely do you think that these will be more readily available in the future in the same way that drones are oh this is going to be. imminently available anybody can buy the components for this and amazon and build themselves and the software that we're going to ship in september is going to
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be available as well now i do want to ask a little bit more about this thing right here how much how much does does the drone one of these like personal commercially sold drones go for this is three hundred dollars at least last when i bought it was the real it so there is so the relatively inexpensive what i'm getting is that these you know you can go to sharper image or you can buy it on amazon or something like that do you see this type of drone technology being even more invasive than what the government's capable of the more commercial the private use of drones do you see that being a bigger problem in the future well just from a practical standpoint these one thing these can do that a predator reaper can do is get a horizontal perspective they're flying very low and they have very close your windows and you know they can actually see inside your house if it's you know it's night time. so potentially yeah i mean so john i want to ask you real quick for someone that's that's concerned about privacy right now someone that you know may have spotted a drone earlier today and wanted to know exactly what type of drone where can they go to find out a little bit more about about this product this is
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a drone she'll dot org we're going to host all the database and the code on that website. so all right john franklin founder of drone shield thank you so much for coming on the show thank you. are you guys still ahead on the show we'll look at the use of drones abroad and discuss how people in yemen have been protesting american drones with code pink spam bayley stay to. wealthy british style. market why not. come to. find out what's really happening to the global economy with mike stronger for a no holds barred look at the global financial headlines tune in to conjure reports
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. well there are going to be. a court of the bureau investigative journalists as many as two hundred eighty five civilians have been killed by covert u.s. military actions and yemen this number includes the sixty nine civilians who've been killed this year alone. keep in mind these statistics speak to the civilian casualty count just in yemen in
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a country that's rarely if ever spoken about in the corporate media yet the details that are given about the country paint a picture of a lawless landscape ruled by militants and terrorists he said on harming america a country so dangerous that the u.s. has to continuously conduct targeted assassinations using drones even if it means civilian casualties in the process now while some of you watching this program may object to the united states policy of extrajudicial assassinations recent polling shows that at a staggering sixty six percent of americans still support the use of unmanned drones to kill alleged terrorists. but when it comes to drones or america's other controversial issue on tommo perhaps no one has felt the hardships more than the people of yemen recently a delegation of american activists with code pink travel to yemen as a good as goodwill ambassadors hoping to raise awareness of the here in the united states about the need to end the policies that perpetuate both civilian deaths in
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yemen and the indefinite detention of yemeni citizens at guantanamo many of whom were cleared for release years ago so joining me now to talk about what is being done to reverse these policies i'm joined by writer and code pink activists pam bailey pam how are you how do you some i mean on the show thank you for having so you recently returned from yemen you were staying in the southern part of the country this is a this is an area of the country that's that's kind of. little is talked about in the mainstream media it's painted as this very hostile places a hub for terrorist activity but this is not the case now absolutely not. and then we also went in and it is very telling before i left most americans do think that you're taking your life in your hands if you even step foot in it which of course is not the case it's got a deep culture very welcoming people which is surprising given the disastrous impact u.s. foreign policy has had in their country and while you were there you were interviewing several people. remember reading your article where you interviewed
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people in a neighborhood that was routinely targeted for drone strikes how exactly do you know what's the criteria for you know who's going to get struck because. the civilian death toll is so high that i have to ask you know essentially how do you spot the terrorist you know no one knows when you when you said how do you know what areas would be targeted if the thing became very clear from all the stories no one had any idea you know they didn't know when to what to expect when who was behind it why they were targeted. i think it was sort of clear is that. very often that the people who are harmed you know what we call collateral damage one pattern that pic that was sort of common to almost all the stories we've heard that have been called double tap strikes when basically but that involved there's a first drone hit and then when all of the community members will go out and try to rescue the people who are hurt is the second one and that they're there to the
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people who are hurt people who are just trying to rescue their neighbors and we heard we heard a number of stories like that but it's very common you have to ask what's the what's the philosophy for that but what can the powerful rationale be right you know we're just talking about the civilian just tools this year so far as many as sixty nine when the united states is touting the drone strikes are accurate and precise and that they have such a high success rate. why do we still see such a high civilian death toll is it because of the doubles double tap strategy or is it just indiscriminate bombing well it's a number of factors the fact of the matter is that very often. the people there may be targets but if there are very low level. people the al qaeda there is like joining a gang here and so one thing you start to realize right away is that a lot of times the drone strikes are not precise like we're hearing as most
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americans do believe it's a very precise technology and very often the intelligence is bad so we may think that we're targeting terrorists but we're not and then there's also collateral damage no matter how precise it is you're still have situations where civilians are just in the area and they're getting killed as well and if they are played with al qaida it's very often very low level people you know people maybe joining because they needed a job and one very telling comment i heard from one person there is that if you're really trying to stabilize the country you can do it the easy way which means easy for us to be at this killing people but you're going to do it again and again and again because you're not getting at the root causes which is poverty for instance or you do it the hard way which means you really try to invest in the country and get at the reasons why somebody might might join al qaeda. some of the people that you talked to in the neighborhood said that some of these folks that are getting going down by drones or by by aircraft could have just as easily been
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apprehended if that's the case and why is that not not the policy because it's not easy because actually from an american point of view it's much easier for us to sit in some control room and push a little lever you know and in a way that's best from all that's from the u.s. is not right but then you also see that the yemeni government is complicit in these drone strikes how does that work is about to just allow one of the also. inductees some of these strikes well. currently that's actually not really a noun i mean it from the people's perspective it's very confusing they never really quite sure it is clear that when president sadat was in power he played it both ways sometimes he cooperated with the u.s. sometimes he didn't do it all depended he played a game to try to get more aid but then when heidi took power who is the return current interim president he is clearly authorized in giving giving permission for their own strike because he's afraid but that the people the vast majority are
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against the drone strikes in fact there's something going on right now called the national dialogue conference that you may have heard about it's a real experiment in democracy where they're trying to get all sides of the table to talk and they actually just passed by a wide margin resolution that said no more expeditious just killings including drone strikes you know i want to ask you something that you mentioned earlier what it what it means like to be affiliated with al qaida and you kind of make the comparison that it's a lonely joint again united states and when we're talking about guantanamo. fifty six of the eighty six prisoners that have been cleared for release a kuantan of them are yemeni why is that why is the why are so many of them from yemen well you know there's a number of factors there too but like in most cases what we heard from a lot of the people they were they were happened to be in afghanistan or pakistan and they would go there for employment or try to in try to find a job teaching and they would just get picked up off the streets they could be that they did have some low level involvement or oftentimes this poor intelligence
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there's a lot of situations where somebody would turn in some of these names to either settle in old school or to get a bounty you know there's a lot of stories like that and you talk to their families you talk to the families a lot of several of these detainees what did he tell you about the sort of the tactics of how they were captured or how they came to find out that they were that they were going on and that's the thing that was most disturbing to me no matter what the story. behind that particular individual the one common thread i remember thinking to myself that this is because i could be listening to stories about pinochet or some third world despot instead of as the us these people were disappeared you know they've gone to another country to look for a job in most cases or to go to school and they just disappeared one day off the streets and the families had no idea what happened to them in most cases for over a year until they got a call usually from the red cross and then if they found out where they are with their loved one was no no trace they just disappeared no trialled family nothing
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and that to me is the hallmark of one of these countries that we consider you know the countries of that we label as third world us but this is the united states and there is my understanding if you look at the people who are cleared for release they fall in a couple different categories there's one group i think around twenty two we have no evidence for we basically have made a huge mistake as another group that we just had suspicions evidence again nothing nothing strong enough to even take the trial other group maybe has been kind of at their very low level like i said these are these are people who maybe affiliated with them for a job they were they were masterminds they weren't planning anything and so this might have been cleared for release in two thousand and eight and it would have been what happens to them when when they do get if they do get released right that's the operative term is but even before president obama set up that moratorium there were twenty three detainees yemeni detainees that were released before the moratorium what happened to those detainees i don't have there's at most the
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majority of them i think integrated back into their communities there are a couple i don't member the statistics right now who may be and ended up refilling it was a group that we consider a terrorist group and i guess you would also have to question that and that's reason why by the way obama then stopped release of the yemen because he considered the country too unstable what would happen to be you seem to be sucked back into terrorism now course you know in his speech in may he letter that on. tori m. but he said there has to be a rehabilitation center and we're going to go to and is that actually going to happen well there us seems very reluctant to for any money into the program i mean you have a very committed they want their people back they are looking for money to establish a rehabilitation center in my mind the u.s. should fund it completely because they've basically would have ruined these people's lives and all these people have been cleared for release which means we do not have enough evidence on them to justify holding them they've been there for twelve years they've been tortured and it's
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a speaking of torture guantanamo does this latest hunger strike people it's the month of ramadan a lot of them are protesting the force feeding that are going on during the day there is some kind of light being shown right now do you think that that might be a game changer in putting pressure on the obama absolutely i think that the hunger strike is very effective at refocusing public attention and i think it's a shame that that's what is required because you know obama talked about closing guantanamo when it's when he was first you know when he was when he was elected and then that's what happens when attention gets pulled away from that doesn't happen so you need something like this where you have people going through terrible pain and force feeding is is. because they're tantamount to torture and it takes that to get his attention back to what he should have done and then we would have a few seconds left but there's still a lot of support for drones a lot of support for one time a look to going to take to change the hearts and minds of american people it takes a lot of education that's why we went to yemen the first place because americans we need to put a human face on the other end of our foreign policy and take this constant activism
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. i do see a big change before i before i went to yemen they went to pakistan october was code pink and you didn't see drones in the news at all and now you do now there's a lot of debate so let's hope the debate keeps going hambali code pink and freelance writer thank you so much for coming in thank you really appreciate it. that's it for today's show goes if you like which is what you see check it out or who page it through dot com so. breaking the set you can watch the latest episode of breaking the set like friday's show which featured abby's interview with doug kaufman about the upcoming police brutality march scheduled for july twenty first in anaheim california you can also scroll through and watch every show since the middle of december so favored us and comment on what we're doing at hulu dot com slash breaking the set well guys that's it for tonight's show have a great evening we'll see you right back here tomorrow.
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exactly what happened that day i don't know. if years later is when i got arrested for. for a crime i did not do. we have numerous cases where police officers lie about polygraph results. innocent people to confess the police officers don't beat people anymore i mean it just doesn't happen really. in the course of interrogation why because there's been this is like men know because the psychological techniques are more effective in obtaining confessions than physical abuse they were taking they could do what they wanted they can say what they wanted and there was no evidence of what they did or what they said.
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