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saudi prince. saying no to. the wrong doings of the ruling elite. there are bursting at the seams with political prisoners saudi arabia is. a broad. international condemnation. also it's a boycott gay rights activist whether the winter olympics should be the target of protests. homosexuality propaganda. america's staunchest allies and nuclear rivals. it's not about terrorism but rather
foreign policy and economic. it is just moments after ten pm on monday here in moscow it's. a pleasure to have you with us for the program tonight. mind what you say otherwise you could end up languishing in jail at best that's apparently the message the saudi authorities are . the country's prisons are packed with regime activists estimates suggest more than thirty thousand behind bars the crackdown has exposed a chasm also within the ruling family so i spoke exclusively to the saudi prince. who became a dissident himself taking a stand against the methods. the government is obviously scared of the arab
revolutions and they responded as they usually do by resorting to oppression violence arbitrary law and arrests the easiest thing they can do is deprive you of your salary or fire you altogether that the ruling regime is not guarded by justice and this is especially true of the ministry of interior there is no independent judiciary that has both police and the prosecutor's office are countable to the interior ministry the ministries officials investigate crimes they call them crimes related to freedom of speech so they fabricate evidence but don't allow people to have attorneys things like that happen all over the place they even put people under arrest for an indefinite amount of time even if a court rules to release such a criminal or the ministry of interior keeps him in prison even though there is a court order to release him and there have even been killings killings and as for the external opposition saudi intelligence forces buying these people abroad there
is no safety inside or outside the country could you describe these people who oppose the royal family and what are their goals opposition used to demand wider peoples representation in governing bodies more rights and freedom but the authorities reacted with violence and persecution instead of a dialogue and now the opposition wants this regime gone but we both know that despite the numerous human rights violations and saudi arabia your country seldom faces straight decision from the west and from the united states in particular when senior u.s. officials meet with their saudi counterparts they think they can be any critical comments from washington d.c. i mean. what the white house certainly does maintain a longstanding alliance with the leaders of saudi arabia that cemented by common interests in the middle east to that end there are classified contacts between riyadh in. the u.s. administration in recent time they've been employed to step up the government
administered reforms but those reforms are not driven by the least desire to empower the people of the kingdom that instead they are merely urged by reforms that the regime might fall unless it reforms itself oppression is widespread in saudi arabia there is no free speech no freedom of expression corruption is rampant in all areas from the level bureaucrats to hiring officials in every civil servant is very skillful in using bribes in their operations. despite saudi arabia's firm drive to tighten the noose around the necks of political activists at home it still freely preaching liberal ideas and tolerance to others lindsey france looks at why exactly this political line is being widely labeled as hypocritical. as saudi arabia violently squashes the voice of any opposition we see it sitting front and center in discussions of the democratic transition of power within other countries such as syria on the one hand it reportedly ships arms to the opposition in syria
on the other hand peaceful opposition in saudi arabia is answered with prison sentences torture even death for people whose voice their own opinion in fact in october two thousand and twelve amnesty international calls on the saudi authorities to stop using excessive force against pro-democracy protesters here are just a few examples from this year alone on june seventeenth me cliff mari was convicted of sowing discord and other offenses through writings and exposure of human rights abuses he got five years in prison june twenty fourth seven men were convicted of inciting protests illegal gatherings and breaking allegiance with the king mostly by joining facebook pages and posting messages they each got between five and ten years in prison then we've got editor rafe badawi convicted of insulting islam and authorities through his website and during television interviews he was sentenced to seven years in prison and six hundred lashes and these conditions anyone with something substantial to say about the government society or religion would be blamed for keeping a low profile and this is where the man being called the saudi of songe comes in no
one knows who he is what he looks like or where he lives his prolific tweets denouncing the ruling family as corrupt and enriching themselves from government coffers have earned him over a million followers he is known only as much to heat i spoke with him over google chat to find out why he stays in hiding because it's not for safety i asked him why you remains anonymous he said ironically and on anybody boost his credibility and the courage of people to follow him and talk about his stories without worrying i asked if this meant that people could pay less attention to his biography and more attention to his message he pointed out the regime can destroy your credibility easily. and deter people from dealing with you if your identity is public well to heat is forced underground a new monarchy backed religious type or city center has launched its own charm offensive in vienna according to its mission statement it encourages dialogue among
followers of different religions and cultures king abdullah has also announced a donation of one hundred million to set up a united nations center for fighting terrorism one of its four pillars is to prevent conditions conducive to the spread of terrorism and ensuring respect for human rights so while the king's clerics preach a hardline form of islam that often becomes a breeding ground for extremism saudi arabia is assuming a moral high ground in advising other nations in transitional democracy. and in the meantime germany is facing an avalanche of criticism over its hefty arms deals with saudi arabia and other gulf nations who can't exactly boast of having better human rights records than riyadh berlin's weapons exports to the gulf monarchies have almost tripled in just two years five hundred seventy million euros and twenty eleven so almost a billion and a half in twenty twelve. government has now approved weapons exports of more than eight hundred million euros for the first half of this year suggesting that level
will continue to rise in the six countries in the region berlin sells weapons to a saudi arabia bahrain kuwait qatar and the u. a e several of which have seen government crackdowns on anti regime protesters of course since the arab spring now saudi arabia is the biggest by a by far the last year importing one point two four billion euros of military hardware and activists also claim that german made small firearms i mean military vehicles were commonly used by middle eastern and north african regimes to suppress peaceful demonstrations well i've been kugel from a human rights what she believes that foreign players should actually drop their business interests and perhaps think twice before supplying gulf monarchies with weapons. western countries in general should look at the widespread crackdown that's going on against human rights political and pro reform activists going on in the country when they make these deals they should these governments that have good
relationships with the saudis should make it clear that what they're doing. is it really goes against the pro reform agenda that king abdullah has been trumpeting since he came to power in two thousand and five what we've seen in the last at least i could say in twenty thirteen is an increasing crackdown we've seen many high profile convictions over the last few months women's rights activists are uni and was on the way there or got ten months in prison for merely trying to assist a woman who was in distress who claimed that she was she was not being provided enough food to live and they they went to her house to try to help her in the police arrested her so we're seeing a widespread campaign against anyone who speaks out against the policies of the. current government and any activist who calls for human rights reforms and political reforms and i think that these western countries that have military relationships or other relationships with saudi arabia should make clear that this
is unacceptable behavior. charges exactly ten minutes past the hour here in moscow more leaks documents obtained from edward snowden earlier this year now shedding further light on america's global surveillance network the latest papers are offering a tiered list of washington's top targets for spying but what is especially surprising is that the e.u. in america's eyes ranks just behind the likes of china russia and iran. are all over now reports on the tears of espionage are the latest information to come out about the n.s.a. spying scandal is being published in beagle news magazine here in germany now the. documents that were leaked. and dated from april of this year now those documents outlining just the extent of how the united states was spying on e.u. countries now the twenty eight member states it says were looked at in terms of foreign policy international trade and economic stability apparently security
related but those were the the areas in which the n.s.a. pursued the hardest now there is also spying taking place and information being gathered with regards to technology and energy as well. also revealed in these documents that have been put forward in news magazine show a breakdown of the countries which the n.s.a. targeted the most now the split into a couple of key is of importance now in the in the top to have countries like china russia iran pakistan and north korea but just underneath that you have countries like germany france and japan all nations that consider themselves allies in close allies of that of the united states now these revelations as they continue to come out from those huge bundles and bundles and bundles of information that edward snowden brought with them when he when he fled from the national security agency
from the contractors that he was working with continued to turn up a treasure trove of information about just what was going on and these most recent documents seem to back up the previous leaked documents that show the n.s.a. was spying on the e.u. e.u. offices both brussels as well as around the world now when those when that information was released in spiegel magazine a few months ago well that caused outrage across europe and we're seeing more of that now as these latest revelations come out that the e.u. was seen as a key target for spying by the united states. still to come here with stories of killings and kidnappings of syrian kurds are increasing almost daily and after a short break here on the program for the alliance between al qaeda linked groups and rebels in syria who have turned against the minority. plus a doing away with the international monetary fund hungary pays back its huge debt
foreigners. can still. be. a pleasure to have you with us here on. re sushi life in moscow thirteen more kurds have reportedly been abducted by syrian rebels who then handed them over to islamists jihadi groups are believed to be holding now more than four hundred people who were behind an alleged massacre of hundreds of kurdish women and children last week of yesterday when already groups are refused to side with either president assad all the opposition thereby earning them bloody retribution from
extremist rebels even the director of could watch an organization which reports on human rights violations against the kurds now joining us live here in r.t. and hello to you from moscow thank you for coming on the program today you understand you are keeping in touch with your fellow kurds in syria can you tell us what's happening what do you know so far because we've been getting outrageous reports here in moscow of kidnappings and widespread killings well it's indeed true we are in quantico with the kurds in syria for almost five years now that's when we started to work on the kurds of syria and you might be surprised but what people tell us is that they do not indeed confirm the high numbers of kurds. jihadist groups and by islamist groups but most of our of our contacts indeed say that there is some tightening between islamist groups and other parts of the f.s.a. and kurdish groups particularly the people defense units this is the militia of the
way the the syrian branch of the p.k. k. and our contacts say that there is mostly fighting between those two groups and of course civilians are killed but those civilians. primarily they are not primarily attacked them even if i mean it seems even it seems that the reports we're getting a quite different from what we're getting here in moscow and ultimately of the syrian rebels are finally bring down the fall of assad but now they're going off the kurds women and children killed and being kidnapped you're not getting the same facts. no no we're not getting the same facts the facts we get is that there is indeed fighting between rebel groups islamist rebels group groups nobody has really indeed sympathy for but it's not that those rebel groups attack the current because they are kurds they do attack the armed forces of the.
syrian branch of the p.k. k. because this group is indeed a party in the conflict and test for quite a long time supported the regime of bashar al assad but we have indeed no evidence that there is. going on against the kurdish people inside syria well we're certainly getting reports of a genocide ongoing in fact to such an extent that the members of the e.u. and even the un have now been appealed to to have some sort of intervention we're getting reports that al-qaeda linked factions want to establish an emirate in syria is north where the kurds are mainly live and last night twenty four hours ago i spoke to a syrian a top syrian army representative and he said this is true that al qaeda linked militants do want to establish emirate in syria's north are your thoughts on that. well we have from totally different information for example of context living near a cut-n. you told us that it indeed wasn't the job which was attacking the kurdish rebels there but it was rather the way do you would see it and there is some logic
in this you may know that at the end of june the way the and its armed forces did take the courage of activists in a mood and they lost a lot of sympathy which they had before when they attacked these groups just because they were differently thinking in many ways than they did and so i believe that the fact that just now all those fights broke out between the islamists and the idea and it's militia it's quite good for the for the pure idea because it's not what they can pretend that they that they support the kurdish people against islamist threats that's why that's what we believe why these attacks now started we believe that indeed the islamists don't really have an interest in starting to i think you've got i think one of the events here is that when you when it's going on during the war it's terribly difficult to verify the facts i suppose that are
coming straight out of a war zone but even then axelrod on the director of the code watcher joining us live from berlin thank you for joining us here on r.t. thank you thank you. for joining us here on r.t. r russia's interior ministry has said there will be no discrimination against gay people coming to want to shore participate in the sochi winter olympics the latest response to pressure now being put on the country by the western l g b t community which is calling for a boycott of the games they're protesting at a new law or against nontraditional sexual relations propaganda to minors earlier here on out so we invited a panel of guests for an in-depth discussion of this or rather heated issue. still community bonded by the homophobia that affects all of us and what we have to do is take a stand against the fact that the government is actually preventing education rather than propaganda that is desperately needed feel people who are growing up lesbian
and gay growing up with prejudice this causes death it causes distress anti gay bullying is terrific but it also is deep in issues because of course it is starting to silence the liberals the good people in russia who would normally be allies of lesbian and gay people because of course they don't speak out so it's not just the bigots that homophobes that it's giving more power to it's siling think it's good allies so i think we need to take an international stand when it could talk about a political commentator alexander classified there in london as well as the recent levada a lot of the live on a poll recently saying that more than half of russian support the law and conservative traditions alexander your thoughts are not well i've heard that there was two thirds who were supporting the law but that me tell you something about the liberal lobby here and the gay it will be as well we've heard. none none existing debate about gay marriage same sex marriage the debate was suppressed by the
liberal elite nobody was allowed to say anything the moment you questioned you know whether it's a wise thing to do you were immediately accused of being a comma for i think it's time for the gay community to realize you cannot prevent other people from having their own views and in london you know of what else no one can hear and i think it's total intelligence total intolerance by the good by the liberal elites that not allow this political correctness has turned into censorship in your proxy from l.g. bt sport is it right to boycott the olympics now it's not trying to completely control of sochi olympics because i live in peaks. it's. treatment in the motor he's through of the movement we had to boycotts. and in the early one nine hundred ninety four. couldn't compete in
a highly competitive atmosphere for twelve years it's no the food to be having to get legislation in russia let's be very clear brother this is being used as a cliche across the world calling this an anti gaylord russia it is actually an amendment prohibiting gay propaganda to minors the way the law is being portrayed in the west i just want to go through some of the things and also the delayed reaction to the law it went into effect june thirtieth the first big headlines we started to hear was on july twenty first in the new york times putin declares war on homosexuals is that the case know the independent homophobic laws lead to attacks on gay young men russes war on gays and the list goes on it's not being represented for the law as it is whether or not the law is good or bad we can debate ultimately at the end of the day we're talking a live picture of the sport of the winter olympics and all of the countries and i think this gets forgotten have signed in the limbic charter which states that there is no kind of demonstration or political religious or racial propaganda allowed any
olympic sites venues or other areas which in the course of their london it was mentioning how this was compared to the holocaust of the jews and lots of andrews's here you are a cultural correspond if you hear it it's not a fair comparison do you think well first of all not just the arts and culture correspondent i mean out gay man living in russia have been for years so i understand the differences between living in london and living in moscow and first of all i always bring up to two comments regarding this entire situation first of all i think the law is wrong the law is bad and it should be cherry and so i think the timing for the russian government with such coming up is terrible however there's a little thing called section twenty eight which margaret thatcher brought in in one thousand nine hundred which was a similar law for the protection of children which. went all the way up until two thousand and three so first of all even though that was in place in the u.k. the gay community went along with the lifestyle to the gay marriage that we have today which is a great thing so that if therefore does not prove that even though it was a law that was put in the wrong place actually culture actually nurtured itself as
as a way to get scouts journalists here i know the reality of life that i just wanted to put to stop the exterior you know it doesn't snow all year round there's a simmering active thriving gay community in russia and indeed in sochi where i was filming the last week and there is one that. i could have you with us or an r.t. today tired of the international monetary fund's meddling the hungarian government has paid off its twenty billion euro debt ahead of shuttle lawmakers and are calling on the i.m.f. to pack up and leave budapest has been at odds with the global financial body for years over what the government termed quote undue interference. chefs can now report on how hungry managed to cut itself loose this family can now enjoy being a brand for their soon to be born child when the global recession reached the country they struggled to repay their mortgage with thanks to a government support program there are now belongs to them and they've saved at least ten thousand euro. to their. critical situation.
is now quite strong. but look at hungary's economy of late and you'll be hard pressed to find much to be optimistic about the economy is now fading better than during the recession but still most of the important development figures are in their goods of territory while inflation is even higher than in the crisis years the country's opposition firmly believes hungry would stagnate without a good reason that the recipient of e.u. funds and this is very important ninety seven percent. of the new developments today finance from money however seeing what's happening in greece and spain budapest is not keen on grabbing the hands of the international lenders and in this case it goes beyond merely the bravado rhetoric often voiced by the country's prime minister. thirty steps between the building of the national bank of hungary and the
head office of the international monetary fund in budapest but that is as close as they get a letter from one building to another at the end of july said that hungary no longer required the services of the i.m.f. and that its employees must leave the country as soon as possible the country's deputy economics minister on any kind of open has still a t towards brussels but acknowledges that what the e.u. bureaucrats are offering is not suited to the past his message is we can handle it on our own but a greece that. according to g.d.p. after two hundred structuring and averaging is hundred sixty percent in hungary below eighty percent the european average is no about eighty five per cent we are not able to finance the public. on the market it will have to introduce the reference which make a country more competitive and that is what we have done in the last couple of years and i think there are good basis to have an independent economic policy
next year hungary will host parliamentary elections and some say the hardline stance with the e.u. may be part of a political campaign by the right wing leadership but analysts are not ruling out that should government be reelected the prime minister may take his standoff with brussels to a completely new level by initiating a referendum on leaving the european union altogether and. reporting from budapest in hungary are now to iraq where al qaeda has claimed responsibility for saturday's massive string of bombings that battered iraq killing more than ninety people as a. at the beginning of the month more than three hundred in the country have died in the violence it's a figure that's fast approaching the total for the entirety of august last year also this july was the deadliest since two thousand and eight with monthly losses on a level not seen in years a marketing go investigate of the consequences of the u.s.
led military campaign in iraq things this the war made the country ultimately fertile grounds for that of terrorists kind of ironic that the us now is to chase al qaeda in iraq while before the war al-qaeda was almost totally absent from the country so i do think it says something about the details of the military interventions brought about it says something about the fact that when you destroy a country obviously all kinds of terrorist groups armed groups will be free to act in any way they like let's be honest i mean there's no way just a bounty will solve the problem of terrorism in iraq terrorism is not for just by repression it's followed by giving basic services by giving health care to the iraqis by giving a decent education system those things should be guaranteed the destruction brought about by war has. totally destroyed any form of health care i mean at a decent level at least. well i thank you for joining us here on r.t. today i'm wrong re sushi and in just a moment it is so fico i want to heat it in
a few programs. the u.s. government project arrow marty has been in place for twenty years this project was designed to break the media monopoly of cuban television by putting u.s. government propaganda up to t.v. screens this injection of american t.v. works with a blimp and a c one thirty military plane working in tandem you know this would actually be a major achievement in the history of technology if it actually worked this program which over the years has built up a billion taxpayer dollars simply does not work but continues to exist despite the cuban government completely blocking the transmission the official logic of continuing the program is that it would see.