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coming up on our t.v. and get ready for the next chapter of international trade negotiators from twelve nations are gathering for talks on the tepee trade deal but they're not the only ones protesters are voicing opinions to the far reaching kept warm the protests that law enforcement officials throughout the u.s. are collecting the d.n.a. of arrestees even if those people were naturally never try hard or convicted is that a good way to solve crime or is it a violation of individual privacy will collect the evidence ahead and on capitol hill victims of u.s. drone strikes testified at a hearing on tuesday yemeni families told lawmakers about the horrors of drone strikes and the loved ones that they have lost we'll bring you one of those tragic stories later at today show.
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it's wednesday november twentieth eight pm in washington d.c. and they're going lopez and you are watching r t well chief negotiators and all twelve countries participating in talks from the trans pacific partnership are in salt lake city utah today now the goal is to resolve differences between the countries and to come up with a formal agreement by the end of the year if it succeeds it would be the biggest trade agreement in world history australia overnight chile canada japan malaysia mexico new zealand peru singapore the united states and vietnam are all taking part in the talks talks which have been mostly conducted in secret even congress says it's being left out and they aren't alone where there is a gathering of world leaders there is likely to be a group of protesters and this meeting was no exception many of them are afraid
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that they will lose digital freedom jobs i am not the. vironment will be negatively impacted. as more. are trans-pacific partnership. is an ambitious free trade agreement the us is currently negotiating with eleven other countries including canada australia and japan negotiators from around the world have gathered here in salt lake city to hash out the legal details of the agreement it could have wide ranging effects on major industries including energy in the internet and pharmaceuticals demonstrators from around the country have come here to meet the negotiators demanding more transparency fully loved american jobs go overseas and american wages go down you'll love the. documents that have been leaked it appears they're going to open the floodgates for more fracking which compose environmental and health problems for people in this country. not only is it an eye democratic it's against our interests in our health
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in our democracy. our economy and workers' rights far mental protections many americans don't know anything about the t.p. the obama administration and powerful parties involved have kept it a secret however we can least release the draft of one of the chapters in the agreement dealing with intellectual property critics fear that it could fundamentally change the state of the internet as we know it and restrict access to affordable medicines it is an agreement that will dramatically restrict trade in exchange in a way that will crush generic production of pharmaceuticals and raise the medical cost to the point that the world's poor will not be able to access lifesaving medicines and people are likely to die. i didn't have to be pretty negotiations will continue here in utah throughout the
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week and as you can see the protests will continue as well ministration would like to have an agreement done by the end of this year however pushed back from congress and vocal critics could put those plans on hold in salt lake city utah. well if you've ever watched a crime movie or had the misfortune of being arrested yourself then you know how the booking process goes you have your picture taken you are fingerprinted and then you are putting your cell to await the next phase of your case but an increasing number of states are adding yet another step to that process by collecting amounts of d.n.a. samples now these d.n.a. samples can help local and federal law enforcement agencies solve old and future crimes however the american civil liberties union says the process is a violation of an individual's privacy and they're willing to go to court to end the practice northern california a.c.l.u. group filed a lawsuit back in two thousand and nine on behalf of lily haskell the woman you are
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looking at who was arrested while attending a peace rally in san francisco she was released without being charged but her d.n.a. is now in california's system permanently the case will be taken up by the once u.s. circuit court of appeals in december meanwhile pennsylvania is on its way to becoming the twenty ninth state to allow d.n.a. collection upon arrest to talk more in-depth about this case and the broader implications of d.n.a. collection i was joined earlier by tracy macklin a professor of law at boston university and he first weighed in on the a.c.l.u. says case in california well i wish the a.c.l.u. look i think they have a. tough road to hoe in the sense that this supreme court decision which you referenced earlier versus today is going to make it very difficult for them to succeed in the war right now the a.c.l.u. said that their appeal case is very different from that maryland versus king ruling
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that happened in the supreme court can you go into a little bit more detail about that ruling and why it matters in this case. sure certainly maryland versus king held that the police can take d.n.a. samples of individuals who are arrested for serious or violent crimes and those samples can then be tested for forensic analysis and then of course if they are it's or matches from the d.n.a. of prior crimes they can be used in court to help convict the individual now yes the california situation is different because california law allows the testino any person arrested for a crime was a be a misdemeanor or or a major felony at the end of the day however i'm not sure that's really going to matter under the logic of maryland versus king because the king decision was based on the premise that the da searches are not the done to develop evidence to investigate but rather are done to help adana fi the arrest now if you're going to
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get a fiber whereas with respect to a violent crime you can certainly go to the state certainly has an interest in identifying the arrest the with respect to a minor crime or misdemeanor and i'm sure what the california prosecutors are going to say is that well we're taking the d.a. to elp a den of by someone arrested for a minor crime now during a ruling from maryland versus king supreme court justice anthony kennedy issued the majority opinion saying quote taking and analyzing a cheek swab of the arrestees santa is like fingerprinting and photographing a legitimate police booking procedure that is response that is reasonable under the fourth amendment now won't legally speaking what is the difference between saying that this material is being used for booking rather than saying that it is being used for solving crimes well because you're not allowed to conduct searches in order to help solve crimes unless you have probable cause or you have judicial authorization now when they take d.n.a.
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samples from arrestees there is neither judicial authorization nor probable cause for this. searchin the kennedy earlier in his opinion conceded that when the state d.n.a. sample they are conducting a search of the problem is that when police and state officials take d.n.a. samples they don't have any probable cause for those searches now what about fingerprints break this down for us and they are also used in the booking process and also sometimes it can be run against a federal database in order to solve some crimes so it ends up fingerprinting potentially a violation of a person's fourth amendment rights as well doesn't fall under the realm of privacy probably not because the court has not yet decided it probably won't happen that fingerprints constitute searches now if fingerprinting if fingerprinting did constitute a search within the meaning of the constitution we'd have a similar concern my guess would be that the court would say into those circumstances that fingerprinting albeit a search all right again is done for identification purposes and that was the point
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that justice scalia made in his dissent so fingerprinting is different from d.n.a. sampling in the sense that fingerprinting is not considered research d.n.a. sampling is a search but according to the supreme court the purpose behind the d.n.a. sample is not to investigate possible criminal activity but rather to develop a den of five the individual who's been arrested so this is just the wave of the future when it comes to law enforcement tactics i mean years ago we didn't know about fingerprinting and then we didn't know about d.n.a. and now we are. oh i see yes this is the future of law enforcement and i don't think it's going to be good to arrest certainly there is the potential no in fear it is the supreme court didn't discuss it in maryland versus king but there is the potential for the police just like they now take fingerprints from persons who have been arrested but they have been detained for investigation there's certainly the potential for the police to take a d.n.a.
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sample from an individual who isn't been formally arrested but is being detained by the police in fact it's probably quicker to take a d.n.a. sample that is to take a fingerprint very interesting and right now even in maryland i do nine point nine six of the people that they do take those d.n.a. swabs from are innocent they did catch thirteen potential murderers and rapists so some would argue that it might and might be worth it but that was tracy at maclin a professor of law at boston university with an article on maryland versus king coming out in the forthcoming issue of the supreme court or avail thank you so much you're welcome. still ahead here on r t on capitol hill again many victims of u.s. drone strikes testified at a hearing they told lawmakers their heart wrenching stories of their horrific experience and in-depth look at one of those stories right after the break.
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welcome back members of congress heard testimony this week from people that have experienced the horrors of drone strikes firsthand representative barbara lee alan grayson and jan schakowsky hosted a congressional briefing tuesday where and number of humanity's told their stories
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there were terrors and questions and a demand for an end to the drone campaign are to correspondent liz wahl brings us a story of one of those people who witnessed the horrors and lived to tell the tale well you had no home for fight film then al egypt there a time of celebration quickly turned into a time of mourning we got there and we saw those loved ones who ones last night would dancing with us and joy of the wedding being cut to pieces by dismissals in august of two thousand and twelve he returned here to his home village of hashmi here in eastern yemen first on the wedding the next day a u.s. drone fired four missiles in the village killing five men among them to bear his brother in law salim ben ali to bare an outspoken anti al-qaeda cleric also killed his cousin while he'd been a leader there a local policeman my brother in law my my wife's brother my last brother salim
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ahmed an who was an anti. speaker and he was expecting to be killed he expected that he might be targeted and he would be targets but al qaida instead he was killed by an american drone feisal is now part of a yemeni delegation that is bringing their personal story directly to members of congress and the market of the queen was even on the day. i came. here with you my my my my my story of what has happened to my my family through a translator this yemeni politician talks about the psychological effects drones have on people on the ground. the entire village keeps living in constant fear waiting for the moment when when it will strike the death of innocent civilians has some u.s. lawmakers reevaluating the u.s. drone campaign over fears that the strikes are creating more enemies than allies
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and one of our own diplomats who used to serve in yemen says that every time we kill someone with one of these drone strikes we create fifty or sixty more members of al qaeda this hearing is organized by activist group code pink and hosted by representatives alan grayson barbara lee and jan schakowsky i think that these joint hearings have been fascinating to those of us who took an interest in them and i've learned a lot personally but i think that many members still ignore the issue we have yet to have any member of the republican majority show up for either of these two hearings president obama has insisted that drone strikes are a critical tool in america's counterterrorism strategy we are at war with an organization that right now would kill as many americans as they could if we did not stop them first the drone program has been shrouded in secrecy and the number of civilian deaths is unclear so much of this is classified and so we need to
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really have some form of public awareness the delegation is calling for an end to drone strikes in yemen but until that happens they're calling for more transparency and at the very least a recognition that the deadly strikes happened here at the capital is wall r.t. now on the same day congress members were listening to those testimonies of those people another drawn strike was reported in yemen when it says told associated press reporters that three alleged al qaeda operatives were killed in the attack our correspondent liz wahl brought us the latest on the drone strikes. well unfortunately we don't know too much because of the nature of the secrecy of this drone campaign and the drone strikes the administration rarely acknowledges or never really acknowledges that they happen we do know that one happened yesterday and that the respected al qaeda militants were killed it happened in the high drama region in eastern yemen the same region that that gentleman the yemeni part of the
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yemeni delegation that is here trying to spread the world and the word and tell his story about the death of his family members the same region where his family members are killed and that's about the extent of what we know about what happened yesterday and we just watched part of your report from that congressional curie can you describe what the atmosphere was like in the room how did the congress members react out of the public react yeah there were through it was hosted by three members of congress and they were they were concerned they were sympathetic and they were concerned you you saw that they were calling for change and wanted to make change happen is interesting though i caught up with congressman grayson after the hearing and and what he told me was that unfortunately a lot it's not the this drone issue is not at the top not at the top of the agenda for members of congress and it's not even in the top one hundred list of issues that that members of congress are focused on so it doesn't appear that if it's on the top of the agenda but the hope is that with this with victims of family members
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here in washington pleading telling their stories directly to members of congress that they are spreading awareness on the issue now is as you were collecting information for this story how hard was it for you as a journalist do we know how many drone strikes there have been in yemen or in general well that's the thing we don't know it's very hard to come by numbers and when you do find numbers and it's not that they range first of all depending on the organization it is because there are no official numbers so it's up to organizations to do the digging in the investigation on their own. on the organ in the long war journal they were able to come up with numbers based on local news reports according to them there were twenty two strikes in yemen just this year and . down actually from forty two the year before again and these are not official numbers and it does vary from organization organization now meanwhile as you said in that report indicated those drone strikes that we know about anyway
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have gone down is there any indication as to why that could be happening is it just possibly all lack of reporting or well back in may if you can recall president obama gave a speech at the national defense university addressing this issue of drones and he said that he was prepared to he vowed that he was going to make changes when it comes to the drone campaign and that there was going to be a higher level higher standard before the white house would authorize a strike he said that for example one condition he he announced was that the strike are the danger would have to be imminent instead of significant so whether or not that contributes to the decline in numbers that we're seeing we don't know again there's a lot that we don't know a lot of it is speculation because it still is really shrouded in secrecy and i'm glad that you brought up that speech that he delivered back in may because he did promise that he was going to make changes have you seen those changes that he promised more transparency for these drone strikes. he did it he did vowed that he
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was going to try to be as transparent as possible we haven't really heard much from the administration since then in terms of any clear policy changes the earlier this month the senate intelligence committee authorized or passed a or the committee passed a bill that they would make it so that these numbers at the figures would be required to be reported it's unclear though where that's going to go when to heads to a greater intelligence bill. again a lot of unknowns still thank you so much for bringing us that. story and the tragic stories of those yemenis thank you so much our to correspondent liz wahl running officials are in geneva this week to meet with members from the united states russia china france britain and germany to discuss a deal to curb sanctions in exchange tehran would suspend parts of its nuclear enrichment program iran has been slammed with one round of sanctions after another
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from the u.s. and other countries in response to its uranium enrichment program though it vehemently denies any attempts to build nuclear weapons diplomats are looking for new prospects of compromise now that hassan rouhani has been in power for just over one hundred days since he took over for mahmoud ahmadinejad artie's on associate charkha fills us in on the details of the talks while making out like you just said this is the permanent five of the security council plus one being germany plus iran of course meeting for a third round of negotiations we have to see that the first two rounds took place within a month of october november of this year just recently although they did not produce any specific results this particular round taking place in geneva switzerland from starting today until friday is really the latest attempt to kind of try to find a solution to this dispute between iran and the rest of the international community of course as you rightfully said over the last several years there's been a major standoff with iran saying that its uranium enrichment program is for
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peaceful purposes exclusively the west is not buying this they are fearful that it could be getting closer to building a nuclear weapon and so these discussions with a new arena and president are certainly an attempt to try to reach some kind of deal to improve this whole situation now do we know what specifically is on the table during this round what kind of a deal the negotiators involved in the matter are trying to hammer out. well maybe we know that official this round of negotiations is completely closed to the press and we've heard that the participants the key negotiators are not really going to share many of the details until they reach some sort of agreement but the basis of course we do know that the major idea behind this potential deal to be hopefully struck soon is that tehran will halt some of the more sensitive parts of its uranium enrichment program in return the u.s. will limit and refrain some of the kind of lighten some of the existing sanctions
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that they have imposed on iran over the years a little more specifically specifically we know that potentially iran could be asked to stop producing uranium of a certain concentration to convert certain existing for stockpiles to something that the u.s. would see as less dangerous to potentially and this is been kind of a stone of contention there move some of its existing stockpiles abroad and several other pointers which we will end up seeing if this deal is struck and return the west would unfreeze some of the foreign bank accounts for wind and kind of lighten the sanctions around the oil exports of iran as well as some of the trade sanctions no necessity i know republican lawmakers would argue that the fact that iran is coming forward to negotiate proves that diplomatic sanctions are effective is there any proof that the two are correlated. well you know maybe it's hard to say because certainly this diplomatic sanctions that have been imposed on iran over the years
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were kind of angering iran and they're certainly they've been hurting the country and its economy and. the goal of hurting iran because it was refusing to negotiate and kind of work with the west and certainly works in a sense but when it comes to reaching out in the longer running solution to this dispute and major tension surrounding iran's uranium enrichment program certainly sanctions do not seem to have helped thus far because now what's being considered is making them lighter so that to iran now also a step forward and kind of worms its attitude towards the west. and honest osteo we know that israel has been extremely suspicious and negative about the potential deal reached with the ron what is the latest said that they are saying about this potential deal well you know israel has been pretty consistent over the years and then pleading recently in terms of its attitudes towards iran and certainly no
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secrets that israel. assuming it's one of the countries in the middle east the only one that does have actually some kind of nuclear arsenal and that's assumed by the international community israel has been basically saying that there's no way that any type of sanctions should be relieved from iran they're saying that this is a bad deal if it's going to be reach they're saying that if anything there needs to be a much tougher approach on iran and that it's kind of getting an easy deal when it comes to these rounds of negotiations but also we have to say that that kind of approach will certainly not improve the situation and you know it's just sticking with the main line of thinking that they've been with over the last year or two correspondent ana safiya chairman of reporting from new york. well illinois has become the sixteenth state to legalize same sex marriage today governor pat quinn signed a bill into law during a ceremony this afternoon the state senate voted to legalize gay marriage in february followed by a house vote earlier this month long go into effect on june first of next year take
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a look at this map these are the states that have laws on the books supporting same sex marriage most of the sixteen states are located in the northeast add to that list maryland iowa minnesota california washington the district of columbia and hawaii whole wise law goes into effect on december second now in d.c. mayor vincent gray presided over his first same sex couple marriage ceremony tuesday afternoon saying that it underscores the importance of this right however there is a substantial amount of pushback from other states voters in more than twenty four states approved constitutional provisions that define marriage as between one man and one woman according to the national conference of state legislatures. well since two thousand and two j.p. morgan chase has time and time again been caught up in a scandal it has settled out of court for charges that range from deceiving investors to sketchy derivatives multiple occasions and now once again j.p.
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morgan chase has settled out of court paying what's basically a drop in the bucket consider to how much it actually makes the residents laurie harkness brings us an in-depth look at to that and much more. from. the financials debility board recently released that update. list of banks that are too big to fail and j.p. morgan chase is a top of it the idea of too big to fail is huge worthy and so is the fact that j.p. morgan is at the top of the list because the bank is so sleazy it makes me wonder
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what the hell the j.p. stands for paying with just profit any way you can that anyone thinks and here's the latest sleazy news about the bank it just came out that it was paying seventy five thousand dollars a month to the daughter of china and the prime minister whose family has billions of dollars they supposedly hired her as a contractor i would say she must be a damn financial wizard but the truth is she's not all that special because j.p. morgan loves to buy influence in other countries by giving money to rich people's kids to secure math the profitable contracts for themselves they do it a lot they also hired the daughter of a chinese well wait official and magically the banks the cured business from the state run china where away group so now an investigation is underway to look at how j.p. morgan is spending money to buy influence because that crap is against the laws under
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the nine hundred seventy seven foreign corrupt practices act the act as far as u.s. companies from giving anything of value to foreign officials to obtain an improper advantage in retaining business i don't think nine hundred thousand dollars a year is something of value i say that smacks of a bribe but that's just the latest g.d.p. morgan disgrace they also just reached a deal with the justice department to pay a record thirteen billion dollars for its crappy mortgage products it's also facing an investigation into its role as made offs primary banks and in acts j.p. morgan employees and. used by a grand jury of hiding hundreds of millions of dollars worth of trading losses this is a bank that reached the top of the financial stability boards too big to fail list through corrupt and probably illegal dealings and yet we continue to prop them up out of fear that our crack society will collapse. the result is that now we're
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living in a world where the rest of us are too thought to succeed this because we just can't compete with these corrupt giant. sows that of buying into this too big to fail crap that all i really want to do is just puke morgan chase tonight let's talk about that by following me on twitter at the resident. well that does it for now but for more on the stories we covered go to youtube dot com slash r t america check out our web site r c dot com slash in usa you can also follow me on twitter at meghan underscore lopez and don't forget to tune in to larry king now at line pm tonight's guest is standup comedian marc marin the host of the successful podcast w.t.f. with marc baron but for now have
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a great night. there i marinate it this is boom bust and here are some of the stories we're tracking for you today first stop the boat will will will it or won't it be up and running by the end of the year that's the question on deck as the ruling faces new obstacles from top regulators we'll tell you what's going on coming right up and big banks sure are known for their loyalty aren't they especially when it comes to governments that bail them out break right know we'll tell you about j.p. morgan's already whipped up plan b. for a u.s. debt default and finally lori wallach from public citizen food was going to live in studio to discuss the controversial transpacific partnership agreement say that.

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