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critical patients. are ready to join the movement and walk there. today on larry king now me america alex thomas turned his life and career around working out of his garage and why the garage it's because i have a garage where else am i going to do it it doesn't cost me anything it's a short walk to work and a beautiful thing about failure larry is that you know when you honestly let go of your dream and source you it's heartbreaking but you feel better and then all of a sudden they happen and you're like oh this is a surprise plus you know what that word is you can't replace cocaine with a woman because you will exhaust the woman you you know if you if you get addicted to a person eventually they will be drained and leave a hussy that's all ahead on larry king now.
our guest today on larry king was mark marin the stand up comic has been in the business for over twenty five years has found recent success with his own interview based pod guest w.t.f. with marc when i was on that show you are almost we have already got yes it's going to have all well put up i will i was for the podcast is it online sensation averages about two point five to three million downloads a month now he has a t.v. show called marron which was renewed for a second season and i have see a memoir titled attempting normal and a comedy special thinking pain which is available exclusively on netflix how do you account for this current success what happened to you i don't know i think i just became ready you know how do you do something long enough you go through a lot of different phases you don't know if something is going to happen for you and then you know when it does happen the best you can hope for you can handle it and i think i just hit the. it took me twenty five years but i'm going to handle it
what happened well i did the podcast in my garage you know it was started i was working in radio and i got fired and the company wasn't smart enough to kick us out of the building or america those very serious reveal and we did a morning show we were doing straight up satire look on that or yeah the liberal network it but it was a mostly political humor but that's where i learned how to do it but i've been fired twice from there and then i went back a third time with a new c.e.o. because i need money to get out of a divorce you understand. and they fired a staffer after a year what we were doing there and they ran out of money and they didn't kick us out the building so we started breaking into the studio and using the equipment my partner figured out how to upload a podcast and said this is what we're going to do i add and listen any pod cast in new people did i'm we committed to a schedule two days a week and we just let the show evolve you know why don't you play me i will back up larry and yeah right to require a lot of editing to make you you know make me good at it or already when you do
a project as hard to do the receivers know when to get to put it out every monday and thursday so they're up there and i've done that for you know coming up on four years every monday and thursday because i think the consistency in the regular initially how do you know you with it was it was crazy it was you know i got very in dissociate networking i my guess would tweet out things i would do facebook i would get an e-mail list going in as my guest became a profile that brought some attention to the medium into the show the you know you're an interviewer no idea at all that i don't even think i am an interviewer i think are you i talk to people i had a lot of problems early on you know i was cynical and bitter and i felt like i had failed in my business so i needed help so why not just ask the lebanese to come in and listen to my problems and that became sort of the the style that i found that if i offer up a lot of myself they kind of meet me halfway and that becomes a very lot of most of those very engaging but you say you do it in a. raj you did it my house or your special area i make
a trip for you even though you yelled at me. but that was not the time i had care so you could never be late no but i had the wrong time you know all right you were funny too i walk in you're like you're late and i'm like how do you like fifteen minutes later michael what do you want to do is like i don't know let's do it what is i don't. that's the broadcast w.t.f. it will initially the idea of what the fuck was there to me i thought it was the most important philosophical question of our time and i thought what is it is that that's. so the theme that initially i didn't know what the show was going to be and we thought maybe that would be a theme and then that sort of one away once i moved to l.a. and set up shop in my garage it just became an interview show i was doing some thirty acts that were can comedy pieces but then it just became about the conversations and we just left the name why the guerrouj that's because i have a garage where else am i going to do it it doesn't cost me anything it's a short we're a short walk to work but you get goes to come to your
a we all come to the garage you know brooks came to you i went to him you know you guys they all run i went to your garage nobody is talking about a ninety year old goat who goes to yoga rudge name some of the guys shandling richard lewis conan o'brien bryan cranston john hamm all of them they all queer is a garage in highland park it's next to pasadena it's up in the hills some of them are surprised they don't know what to expect. but the people that know my show molly shannon's been to the garage catherine o'hara was out there all they've all go up there the people i go to are people that are either too busy or i don't or they're at an age where i don't want them to you know runaround. me is there a car in the garage no car you know it's an old garage it's got a floor it's got all my stuff and it's very cozy but cranston came up there and he was seemed surprised like he a lot of times publicist they tell me go to this place and get out and like this is it you know and i'm walkin in back to my garage was a good actor he's great at all. yeah and he's like ok so this is what we're doing
my kid jon hamm was serious i am once here. all right so that got the stamp of make money off w.t.f. i was going ask you for some. overtime the model sort of evolved no one really knew how to make money with casting but now that you know terrestrial radio is sort of phasing out a lot of those advertisers have come over we have an app you know only the most recent fifty are available for free and if they want to get the other four hundred they got to you know get the premium after you saw a little. let's say the sponsor is coca-cola right do you go to coca-cola and say bar my party how does it work i know there are well radio stations there are salespeople right well my partner is the production side of it so and as poc as the podcast became popular we were able to attract a lot of you know outside of the box advertisers you know there we had some big advertisers that year on terrestrial radio like h.b.o. certain shows that will advertise record labels or advertise so we book out about
three or four spots a show with the advertising we've got the app revenue we also do live shows we have some merchandise in the cells on the episodes as well so i remember it was a conversation with you i wouldn't call it all coming back to it was you know it's coming back and we will argue a lot of sixty thousand people it was more it wasn't so much an interview was just yeah i was talking that's what we did yeah i don't know where i was going to go i don't know what mood you're in and i think it worked out and we can argue all funds great with talk about gleason and jackie gleason and that's the way i do it i don't know if it's the right way your professional like i'll have an idea of who somebody is and basically i i enter with that and then i just let the conversation unfold i'm careful not to avoid like if somebody you know cured cancer or won an oscar i want to make sure i bring that up but i also have a good idea i want to talk about the other things the book in a stand up was a stand up special inky pain is on netflix netflix instant get it into getting time i think that was the. to do it with the studio audience there was an audience i did
in a small club i want to do a very specifically intimately i want to do it like like a stand up club i did a member the whole village gate it's i did it what was used to be the basement show room the bottom of the main showroom in the village it's now a place called the possum rouge we looked at a few places i want to go ceilings i wanted to have an organic feel i had some history at that venue when i was younger. and right there it was a great venue and they write they did comedy when i was starting out i mean bruce worked it yup i think so and the family owned the would go off and so i was in that room i had about two hundred fifty people and i did i did two shows i didn't hour and a half each we took the entire special from the second show i was very careful not to cut to the audience i wanted to feel intimate and that's why i did it with netflix so there's no commercials you can look at whenever you want it's an hour and a half and there are full hour and a half there's a concept to it you have a great concept is me and my struggle. for you are angry or you are angry
performers i used to be i think i used to you know i did lose what is probably with greatest anger what he said you know the it's a great archetypal act yes there's the curmudgeon the crank is is a gifted stereo archetype you know there are guys he got to have it naturally you know right never come onstage you know the world's against me and i wasn't like that i was genuinely angry and they and because of that i you know i wasn't a big ticket seller you were better i was better and i thought well you know you work hard you want to do something you think you're an original and you need think you've got something to say but you know you're not bringing people in and you know pete i did a lot of television as a stand up and i wasn't selling tickets and by the time i started the podcast the news over you know i was out of white that was out of money my career was stalled and you know it kind of happened out of desperation and through the conversations that i had with other entertainers about their experience i started to kind of get less spin. or to open my heart
a little more to to become what i used to be when i was a kid when my grandfather owned a hardware store and you have guys hanging around talking he still loved listening to him i got into that and you know getting entertained by people's stories and it really it kind of grounded me kind of humble me so what you've done is made failure a plus absolutely there's no question i had no expectation the beautiful thing about failure larry is that you know when you honestly let go of your dream and source. it's heartbreaking but you feel better and then all of a sudden they happen and you're like oh this is a surprise and you had problems like you liquor we do drugs alcohol yeah cocaine and booze good times do they go together by the way well want to let you drink a lot more. if you're doing cocaine and drinking stay up for a lot more drinking did you stop both at the same time yeah i stopped you know i was fortunate that like i was fairly i was a professional drug user i mixed it up but you know i didn't hit too dramatic a bottom but i was slowly killing myself and you know fortunately for me you know i
was in a fairly unhappy marriage and i was drinking and using drugs and a woman appeared at a club this beautiful woman who said you know i think i can get you help you and steered me towards recovery and i don't know if i was really thinking about quitting drinking or drugging but i knew that i would follow her anywhere where did she take you to now to a into you know into the indian meetings and friends with her no no i were divorced and that was going to marry to be. you know what that word is you can't replace cocaine with a woman because you will exhaust the woman you know if you if you get addicted to a person eventually they will be drained and we've a hoss the only thing i was ever addicted to tobacco was off of it till i had a heart attack and that i stopped that day yeah well that's a that's good i am on nicotine lawson's right now i haven't smoked a cigarette in over ten years but i still eat the nicotine candy do you ever want to go back to drinking and drugging or cigarettes all three well no i think the gift of actually. you know getting it in your head and learning how did to be
a sober person is that you know that i don't think about it i don't obsess about it i don't want to you know i've been through two divorces a bankruptcy and some other pain and i didn't think to drink when he goes which you call think deep in keeping think. you approach to stand up is not conventional right i don't know is it is it not i think i haven't seen your standup act i want to watch if i use no no i will turn on my my netflix or i watch you know i think you'd enjoy a good story based you know i spent a lot of time has told you that yeah i you know i think that stand up i mean you know you watch any of the old guys you're showing berman new hard cause be any you know i don't know i used to tell jokes and they were structured but they were more my jokes meant any good story is filled with jokes course that mean good punch lines throughout the day and i think that that some of the greatest standup that's ever been was long form stand up and that's what i do it's very personal it's not generalized i chose at some point to you know when i did politics i realized i'm not really angry about politics i'm just angry so why don't we get to the heart of
that it was you alan king do a monologue that bridget survived by his wife that's correct yes or call that a couch was cellophane coming up are going to discuss his most famous interviews and we'll do that when we return because. it was. very hard to get. to. that that was the target they're looking.
we're back with marc maron a multichannel a guy who's got so many things going for you want to be pictured yourself you don't know in your life it's i'm just happy to be working you know i mean it gets to a certain point get having gone what i've gone through and people ask what he want like like to not die broke and i'd like to have insurance those and i've been a joy if that's possible that because of the thing with colon starr yes that with you you give him a big it will conan when he started i was still in new york and i think i appeared as a stand up twice and was my dream at that time to be a panel guest you know like richard lewis was with letterman and you know i did all right for conan and i was in town and i was there at the beginning and he started to have me on his panel and i became the guy that if another guest fell out of they couldn't book in you know they call me on a note and it's short notice and i usually have at least a half bit half baked story of some kind so i did a lot of filling in that just stayed that way and then he was on your podcast yeah
years later you know after after doing a show for a decade or more you know i'd never really talked to him you are probably most probably interviews with old comics what i mean i think it's all about the most i think so i've been interviewing musicians now as well and some filmmakers i like talking to anybody who's interesting and has a good story really but comedians you've got a kindred spirit thing you know it's like i know with comics we sacrificed a lot to pursue the life that we haven't and i find it to be a pretty noble profession and i and i just and there's a common language share you know we're freaks in a way you know we don't know books the funniest unbelievable there's no probably no one on your from me of all it's there i have there he there was a big story with concrete when we got a couple minutes. so i go in to my go to his office i was lucky it was just him and i think if there was one other person there he would have put on a show but he was again it was locked and it was a beautiful interview and he takes a liking to me says you're great you know you should really do this on television i
said well you should make some calls for me. but even i was joking but he said. you should talk to karl and i go karl rahner he's like yeah we talk all the time with their every night you should talk to karl and i would love to talk to karl so i say that now i say well how his car in no goes he's about eighty percent ok so so he cut to you know he walks me of the building you know three weeks later he sets me up with carl reiner so i go to call ryan's house and you know we you know i set up the mikes i'm greeted by george shapiro his manager and nephew who's in his seventy's and you know i set up the mikes you know karl sits down shapiro sits across from us immediately falls asleep like within a sleeping during the interview and then you know in the middle in the middle of our interview you know at a no work. right at the beginning actually you know you spend a lot of time together what do you do he works and he goes it has something to do with chicken feathers and maybe i'll tell you i'm like i don't know what's happened in the middle of the interview goes he goes you know many jews were involved in broadway musicals mike i have no idea because a lot i saw television show there's
a list of jews at the end right and he goes i'm going to show you that list and i'm like ok and so i do the interview for an hour and i swear right when i turn the mikes off right shapira wakes up in those that was a great interview as a good manager we saw him sleeping so a so then so then carl picks up two remotes and i got a ninety one year old man with two remotes he's going to show me the juice in the list so he's playing with remotes and i'm like this is not going to go well and then shapiro out of nowhere goes is there ice cream so now somewhat then they're handing out new weight watchers ice cream sandwiches were nice to sandwiches carl reiner starts the show at the beginning so mike allen and i going to be here it's a two hour show for the it's the jews right. and then the phone rings and writer picks it up he goes oh yeah it was very pleasant he's still here and he looks at me and goes it's mel brooks and mike watt and i go hello and all i hear mello yello here is mel brooks go eighty percent right. and i go maybe eighty five yes i go
right maybe eighty five put karl back on the phone and then they talk about i think they were talking about whether or not karl could roast a chicken or not and then. and then i remember i forgot to ask about the chicken feathers right so i turned the mikes back on and i said you know you mentioned some a chicken feathers he said oh yeah oh yeah that's right that's right me and mel brooks and there's a publicist sitting on the couch he goes is there a question behind you having a question so he puts his pillow in his lap and he just there's a run in his hand over it and i'm sitting i think i go now we're off road now and he pulls a feather out of the pillow and he sets a very delicately down on the arm rest of the chair and he looks it because i have a lot of these. i don't know what i'm going to do with them i put them in a bag and so i'm thinking like ok we're we're at the easy he's out there i go what does this have to do what you would know brooks he just starts running his hand across the pony goes this is what we do he pulls another out there is beautiful and
then i walk out of the house with george shapiro both going to our cars and he looks and he goes what did mel brooks say and i said he said he said carl was about eighty percent and george says he tells the truth. that they are as funny as a twosome as grab the great which i was the first one ever to play that it was a disc jockey and me and that's still the funniest always i know it's so i gave this so quick and it's so it's such a privilege in an amazingly entertaining experience to talk to the guy i was it's the users of those and talk i know you know and but was that of call agreed to be at the door this is the only problem i have short term memory was the only problem i have a short term. that's pretty funny a very funny of you acted all you did the theater i've done you know i doing the t.v. show now so i'm acting in my own show i'm playing myself which i you know i put a lot of work into that role and i've done a few will movie things you know i was in jail like you were in movies i was in one
i was in a couple movies i was in almost famous cameron crowe's movie i like to lines in that it's a very powerful see would you ever want to have a disc and only two of them. i'm a conan's i'm why i like what you do in the end in my concept i can do what i do in the garage to have that intimacy i think the closest model that i could think of would be snyder show you know the tomorrow show yes. he was great in the way that was shot in a way it was done i'd like to try that way i don't want to run a circus. you know you so you don't want a bad idea it's not really my thing i think it's more compelling to just really get some authentic conversation going to think of the fergusons of felons well ok why do i but i know that. they're all good guys are god already knows very funny ferguson very funny but as a host you know quite honestly you never know what he's going to come at you with and his segment producer will talk to you for an hour and ask me everything you know those who are because he throws away everything in that office and i go right so it took me three times on the show to realize i'm just going to follow his lead
and in their eyes with him that's it that's right me to jimmy fallon it's great he's very earnest and easygoing guy in television that i think is genuinely having a good time before we get there if feel like being children you don't have children i don't see their children so mental no i'm not afraid of children i was i was afraid of being an old dad but you know you sort of are an inspiration to be afraid of ok you have a woman and you know i did say until. we're in a little trouble right now whatever no i don't know that you know this is the third one i think it's me who should lobbying for there's nothing like ok loving what i'm telling you don't be afraid of him or not afraid of it it's the first time you love someone totally but then in love you think about that so it's what it's with the cats i don't know me and i you know it's all of july i grew up with dogs and then like a woman gave me a cat once i got attached to it what really happened with the cats was i was doing radio and i was you know waking up at three thirty in the morning to morning radio
and i was going on a story in new york behind my building behind me and was put in the garbage on there are these four or five kittens eating and the garbage and i was like oh this is terrible someone's going to deal with this and then i can another now you know a few days go by go back out with the garbage you're still eating garbage and someone's going to have to do something about this and then by the third time i'm like i guess i'm going to be the guy so i trap these cats and i bring them into my apartment i trap them in a shoe box with cat food one at a time for kittens bring them into my partner not knowing that if the cat is eating on its own it's feral it's a wild animal. it's not a kitten it's like bringing a mongoose and your partner so i bring these cat there it's crazy one of them tries to jump out a window climbs up the screen it wedged itself between the window and the screen two of them are behind the stove one of them gets stuck on a glue trap for a mouse i got to rip it off it was chaos and all of them hated me they would just watch it was sad because all i want to was friends and then i couldn't i couldn't get him out of my smart so you kept them i kept two of them it's hard to get rid of feral cats but i actually two of them have made it to los angeles they're living
a very nice life through a affectionate really they come around they come around but i like i like animals and i have to earn their love it seems that way with me and women cats you know the cats in the garage know that only i'm in a garage at hounds almost died of an allergy attack in my garage and their daily even go in there but he was wheezing and i couldn't stop the interview i felt bad for him. whether he died it was good for us we have some social media questions for you ok begging moon rock on twitter do you miss your vices and how do you deal with it i don't miss my vices because i kind of you know you find other ways a little healthier ways to fill i mean i still on the nicotine i drink a lot of coffee you know. i tend to i don't i don't miss the vices i don't miss that way i like to be on twitter s. will you be writing more books if they pay me to do it i will write another one. right rigo on twitter wants to know where he is see is often ten years hopefully
alive and some are content and having health insurance and that he drivel it on facebook wants to know are you finally happy. i have. i have some peace of mind but i feel like i'm being true to myself and that's as close to happiness is i as i can get you know i have a hard time identifying joy or happiness but i feel like i'm being i feel like i've finally arrived at who i am and that's that's that's good happiness is like a lot of unhappiness right i mean sure yeah yeah yeah like you know ok so occasionally like you know i'm happy right now. just when yeah you get that the kid did good in school and yeah there are moments right now that can't be happy all the time that you would be a crazy yeah but you can be unhappy or what in your past you were on the field i was i was angry and happy i like to think of it as a struggle struggle with a wee little game of if you only knew i could order us greatest stand up comedian of all time richard pryor up and coming comic do we better watch out for our get
see we haven't seen him it's great he's doing a show fallon producing a pilot with him he's great from the start from tennessee's hilarious guess your most nervous about interviewing iggy pop why i don't know because he popped i didn't know what was going to happen how would you describe your style of interviewing. sort of in midi and intrusive and late. come on what makes you laugh every time brian regan. anything he does what scares you the most indictive women and fire. in that order most terrifying stand up experience being sent home from australia because i bombed so badly and to hold probably tell you to school home well it was pretty apparent that it wasn't going well it was a long time ago it was probably in the early ninety's i went over there and i just
i don't know i just had one of those experience the globe it was a big club there's like four hundred people there i did a week of previews and i got on stage to area and at that time i was standing on stage and for forty five minutes all i could hear were the embers of my cigarette burning just silence and it was just brutal i got it i felt myself i left my body like some part of me wept and said i mean shit back stage i can't handle this and he went at it and the day after guys like this isn't working out the standards of a combination of singers and of a new conditions are you know it's like with the band take t.v. show you a t.v. show you're embarrassed to say that you watch the house hunters you watch no one of the you know the you're with a girl sometimes you got to do things you don't do you get one thing named after you what would it be maybe an animal shelter or a microphone. if you were in a comedian what would you be i think i would be a teacher but i have no idea what i would teach. her class or of me best best
advice you have a dud. recently i spoke to a woman i knew years ago our name is dragon and and you know i was i'm going through some difficult times and she looked at me and said don't waste a penny and i thought that was genius you're a genius thank you thank you ma i see you walk now and don't be late night so i won't i won't i'll come again to the garage ok i want to see the garage deal thanks deb i guess i'm on my own catch his comedy special thinking brain available now on netflix and be sure to tune in to w.t.f. with marc maron of available for download on i tunes and you can find me on twitter at kings things and i'll be on his show too whatever they never thought it would see in that stuff. but suspect. it would like to go digital the price is the only
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the but. look. it's going on over on i'm abby martin and this is breaking the set and the cold war is technically over looks like a new kind of arms race is alive and well so european leaders have just announced they're forming a drone club decision the been decades in the making in france germany and several other nations are pouring money into a new generation of armed drones to rival those used by the u.s. and israel looks like all the america's unmanned kills are leading to a bad case of drone and b. but it's not just europe that has set its sights on these deadly robots for the last few years iran has been working on its own drone fleet this week the islamic republic on the veil that's the largest armed unmanned aerial vehicles to date
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later. this week another round of talks between the u.s. and eleven other countries regarding the transpacific partnership for t p p are taking place in salt lake city throughout the week people have been demonstrating and protest the potentially disastrous effects this trade bill could have effects that include everything from sweeping changes to the internet to limiting access to affordable medicine is joining me now to talk more about these latest protests in utah as well as the impact the t.p. could have on the world i'm joined now by former salt lake city mayor rocky anderson rocky thank you so much for joining me on the phone it's great to be with you thank you so rocky you were at the t.p. rally yesterday what was the main concern you gauge from the protesters. well
there's a huge concern about the complete lack of any transparency these talks of been going on for years behind closed doors and there have been lobbying for some six hundred multinational corporations including of course halliburton wal-mart monsanto shove ron but the people and the media haven't been provided anything and there is so much at risk for the public health for the environment for access to bible medicines for regulation and protection against the ravages of the too big to fell financial institutions across the board these folks have come together in secret to protect the interests of multinational corporations and all of it so detrimental to the public interest and in the most anti democratic ways certainly out let's talk specifically about
you tom what implications but the t.v. you have in your state rocky. well this is something that's going to have huge impacts for people across the country and across the world we've already seen huge unemployment levels because of these shameful trade agreements in the past and this is going to outdo any of them you know it's a it's not like we're we're paying low enough wages to people in china now we're looking to send those jobs to vietnam where they're paid about half as much this is going to now cost more jobs mean the offshoring of potentially millions of more jobs from the united states and with these trade agreements come lower wages fewer benefits fewer environmental protections and on top of all of that they're creating an extra judicial. or extra legislative structure where there will be the secret
court that will have precedence over what our own elected representatives may decide to do to protect the public health and that's everything from disclosure of g.m.o. some protection against contaminants in our foods to. buy local first initiatives as i said protection of the financial industry ossie i wanted to do this is more about these these secret courts that you're talking about of course you just mentioned the expert expedition of race to the bottom an expert i did not yesterday there was a hearing on capitol hill where michael froman the u.s. trade rep said that the u.s. i'm sorry that the t.t.p. has a living agreement and there will be absolutely nothing to change u.s. laws from this agreement with these secret tribunals do we believe him rocky absolutely not in fact one of the things that we've only found out because of wiki
leaks and thank god for those leakers who are giving the people the information is that they're trying to extend the monopolization period under patents which means far greater costs for medicines that are necessary for life threatening illnesses so that no i wouldn't trust these people i don't trust a thing they say the representative here in salt lake city for the trade u.s. trade representative said yesterday that they are aiming for and these were her words unprecedented transparency well abbie you're there with the media are you able to get their the text of their the documents that they're proposing because we the people haven't seen anything yet except for what's been leaked through wiki leaks absolutely not rocky but of course we know that over six hundred corporate advisors as you just mentioned most trustworthy corporate. sions out there how full
access to the tax are on the negotiating table of course the people left in the dust in recent weeks as you just mentioned i mean significant blows the t.p. wiki leaks exposing part of the intellectual property tax congress finally speaking out against the fast track do you think that without the fast track congress could actually hold plug on this trade deal. but i certainly hope so and we the people need to let our representatives in congress know that we've drawn our line if they be trained on our democracy in such a manner that they would allow this to be fast tracked after all these years of secret negotiations they absolutely have no entitle me to be representing us in congress most of them don't anyway because they're on the payroll of many of these same corporations that are trying to make the sweet deal for themselves and fleece the american people and fleece millions and millions of people around the world rocky we have about a minute left is this
a corporate coup d'etat it is they're killing it that's a great expression for it because they have taken over now they've already bought out congress washington is up for the highest bidder but now they're doing all this in secret and having the audacity to say that it should be fast tracked without the public knowing what's going on without any real debate in congress and without any amendments it's absolutely shameful and this obama administration has sold up to the corporate sector as much or more than any of its prior presidents and i don't he it is this is a shock in the face of the corporatocracy is revealing itself thank you so much rocky anderson for getting out there speaking of a device that people former solich city mayor former u.s. presidential candidate. but your.
homelessness has become an epidemic according the wall street journal fifty thousand people in new york city spent the night in homeless shelters this year breaking the record for a single night here in d.c. there's been a stunning rise in the number of homeless families just in the last year the number is grown by eighteen percent according to u.s. department of housing and urban development but the harsh winter effect in most parts of the u.s. at least homeless people more crabapple climates don't have to worry about frostbite case in point hawaii see there's an estimated seventeen thousand homeless residents on the big island alone and although they don't have to worry about lethal temperatures the issue still a problem that legislators been trying to tackle for quite some time but thankfully one lawmaker is taking the matter and to his own hands see democratic representative tom brower
a funny you make way to tackle homelessness check out this report from hawaii news now. the man with a sledgehammer is state representative tom brower this is his contribution to solve hawaii's homeless problem and i got tired of telling people you know i'm trying to pass laws i want to do something practical that will really clean up the streets. yes guys this is real this is not the onion this is a real state representative democrat mind you is wandering around the streets of his district beating the hell out of shopping carts full of homeless people's belongings all while boasting his well worn armani hat apparently brower hates homeless people who want for mucking up the streets of his version neighborhood but he thinks he has the right to treat them like vermin now there are a couple different levels of sociopathy happening here folks the first is actually wanting to do something like this the second is actually doing it and the third is doing it as a representative then turning it into a p r stunt for your political campaign not to mention that brower is littering in
the process by throwing the objects he finds in the cart on the ground and leaving their deformed skeletons on the streets thankfully community leaders are flabbergasted at the cirrhotic and potentially dangerous behavior are speaking out against it mariya graham is executive director of the mental health america hole wyoming so that browers tactics were sending the wrong message she said his message to the public is that it's ok to commit acts of violence begets homeless people against vulnerable people it's ok for vigilante justice but brower has a great response of the critics who say his behavior threatens hawaii's most vulnerable. i don't want to be threatening to anybody but i think it's threatening to steal things and then walk around with them like it's their own brother says he has yet to take a card from a hole this person who's pushing it but that may be coming he supports other efforts to remove abandoned property. this is his way of pitching it away to
embrace that aloha spirit brauer you know. i hope this little political stunt destroys your career but this is salt on the poor in the dark side of paradise is contrasted luckily by a much more uplifting story so new orleans residents are showing their solidarity with the homeless community in the big easy by choosing to sleep outside in order to raise awareness and money for a local homeless shelter so this isn't just happen in the crescent city it's also happening in places like boulder colorado just last week about eighty people participated in a sleep out which raised more than eighty thousand dollars for homeless and used in the city now overall homelessness is actually on the decline in the u.s. thanks in large part to the two thousand and nine stimulus with federal programs like food stamps and unemployment benefits being slashed the number may rebound soon already youth homelessness is an all time high increasing by seventy two percent since two thousand and seven so as long as legislators ignore this growing
epidemic or solve the problem by beating up shopping carts hopefully the ordinary people can improve the plight of the homeless one sleep out at a time. coming up to fill you up the updates surrounding b.p.'s oil nightmare for go presidents and silencing of critics. did you know the price is the only industry specifically mentioned in the constitution and. that's because a free and open press is critical to our democracy albus. role. in fact the single biggest threat facing our nation today is the corporate takeover of our government and our press seven we've been hijacked right handful of transnational corporations that will profit by destroying what our founding fathers once will just my job market and on this show we reveal the big picture of what's
actually going on in the world we go beyond a. delphi the problem trying to rational debate and a real discussion critical issues facing death by job ready to join the movement then welcome to the. time of the new alert animation scripts scare me a little bit. leave it there is breaking news tonight and we are continuing to follow the breaking news. alexander's family cry tears of joy at it great things out there that there has to be adequate regard in a court of law found alive there's a story made sort of movies playing out in real life.
because. of the the. code. saying that life has been hard for gold for as it inspired in the two thousand and ten deepwater horizon oil rig explosion is an understatement to the spilling of two hundred million gallons of crude oil in the gulf of mexico has created an environmental and a health nightmare but according to b.p. life in louisiana florida mississippi has never been better. subzone wanted you to leave the deep sea fish for ever just look for. courses are all that are banning breakfast have special rights to migrating waterfowl all over the first walked hours so if you missed it earlier this year come on down if you barley live here
come on back to mississippi or louisiana alabama the folsom america's getaway spot . and how my twenty twelve and even better year for tourism. want to break their p.r. machine in the corporations ongoing assault on its critics i was joined earlier by . that's a good journalist who's been covering the spill for the last three years i first asked him about the p.r. . matter that hired to silence its enemies and why. they were hired primarily to run the b.p. america facebook page and that's what they did in addition to basically doing the general p.r. effort for b.p. through the disaster to manage the message as they put it themselves and they did this very very effectively i mean for example when tony hayward made that gaffe of saying i want my life back it was it was ogilvy that was in charge of basically doing disaster control on that so they came in and started becoming b.p.
apologist and making it appear as though well that was taking out of taken out of context in this sort of thing but that as well as all the social media so b.p. is twitter feed as well as b.p.'s american facebook page and let's talk about specific examples of what was happening with people works pressing concerns on the facebook page and give us some examples of what this entailed problems arose when people were using the page as it was set up was to give b.p. feedback positive and negative mostly negative about how they were handling the oil spill and one woman who goes by the alias marie because she is under she feels a direct threat from people working for b.p. in ogilvy that were coming on the pages and people who were making regular critical comments against b.p. more than finding themselves receiving comments from what i referred to as internet trolls people who go in and cause disruption in chat rooms and in comment sections in the meeting places online and things like this and so she started receiving
bellicose derogatory remarks degrading remarks and things and then this escalated to over threats. roles posting pictures of side arms in even arsenals of semiautomatic weapons and then also contacting people at their workplaces and causing disruption there and this was happening not just to her but several other people as well and she ended up collecting reams of data screenshots tracking down these facebook profiles of these people and then carrying it all the way to directly linking them to people already working directly for b.p. or ogilvy so she believes as does the law firm that she's hired to investigate this further that b.p. and ogilvy themselves have hired these trolls directly to harass and try to silence critics of b.p. . break down really quickly going to what evidence is there to show that these trolls do indeed work for the p.r. form of b.p. directly she felt the facebook profile profiles of the people making the harassment
in the threats in things like this and then went through their friends list and then found out these people's interactions with these friends of so she found people that were friends and associates with people working directly for ogilvy and mather p.r. for firm and then in other instances some of the other trolls that were friends and associates working very very closely. at that time as well as in the past with people directly employed with b.p. itself and of course we know about the sock puppet accounts that you can kind of host up to ten different accounts and make it look like totally legitimate facebook profiles which could be the case here let's talk about outside the internet you talk about how scientists have also been blocked from oil spill access to do their job to make proper assessment can you elaborate on that part of the story. there's a woman i spoke with she's an associate professor of entomology at louisiana state university linda hooper we is her name and she told me that early on in the spill
she was going out and collecting data to survey how the ecology was going to be impacted. so specifically insects and spiders how were these populations in the marsh areas around the impact zone being impacted and they'd started to collect data or studies were going well and then she started running into a problem of. sheriff's departments people working for the u.s. coast guard as well as people working for fish and wildlife who would come out all of them always accompanied by someone working directly for b.p. and then moore's barring her from going back into these areas where she had previously collected data barring her from going back and to continue her studies despite the fact that she had permits issued from the relevant states where she was carrying out her research that of course granted her access into these areas so she was being directly barred and then when she took this up with them and said look i have the proper permits and scientists is trying to do my research for my major university here they said look we can have you arrested if you if you try to push
this matter so that she was literally barred from continuing that all on and then this prompted her out of frustration to write a rather searing bed for the new york times on this matter criticizing b.p. for doing just what i mentioned and being afraid of the data that she was producing which was obviously showing very very dilatoriness impacts on these insect and spider populations that she was studying from the oil spill and then when the morning the same morning that she published this op ed with the new york times she actually received a call from a chief financial officer with b.p. basically asking her how much money she would need to be quiet or if she but that came in the form of how about we hire you and pay you whatever amount you want to ask for and she refused to do so and went public and made very public statements about exactly what was happening and then was never contacted by this person again wow amazing story is this sort of intimidation still going on to this day or was this pretty much in the aftermath of this bill. well the online intimidation
according to marie who continues to. these things as well as some of her friends as she told me she says that there was enough pressure applied through the deputy of b.p. a woman named billy guard who eventually took up the issue with b.p. and when the government accountability project became involved shortly after that shortly after the finally replied to the government accountability project in moree most of the trolling in the harassment stopped but she said there do still appear to be two of the trolls that were active from the beginning that do still make a presence known on the b.p. america facebook page today so it was it was it is declined rather dramatically but it does still continue at least to a certain extent and then with people. receiving people who have compensation claims against b.p. for example financial compensation claims so of all of these people around the gulf
coast do. have have talked to me about instances where they have received harassment from people but they haven't been able to directly tie them to b.p. itself and as we know of course b.p. is fighting tooth and nail to not provide those compensation claims we'll get into that a little bit later but you know this seems like really counterproductive for public relations firm and the opposite of what they should be doing which is galvanizing support for the company i mean what's different about what b.p. is doing because i feel like if you're a giant corporation you have the money i feel like a lot of people would engage in these kind of tactics what's different about this. well clearly they have enough money enough resources at their disposal that they just feel like if they run a big enough spin campaign of nonstop t.v. newspaper ads radio ads all around the gulf as well as around the rest united states for that matter that they had they started the day the spill started and they continue them to this day that they have pumped hundreds of millions of dollars into p.r. to try to convince everybody that they you know things are better than they really
are and another another instance i always find is. steve stephen marino is the fellow's name who worked for ogilvy the p.r. firm that convinced b.p. to set up the b.p. america facebook page and then let them run it and he gave a very interesting talk at university of texas austin exactly two years after the spill almost to the day and in this talk he's talking to a class of business students i believe it was a about the p.r. machine that they ran and he was very specific about the types of things that they would do he he gave the example of anyone who's familiar with this story is maybe seen there's a b.p. commercial where there's an african-american woman named iris and she claims to be from new orleans and from the gulf and she's working for b.p. and she's standing there with a shirt on saying you know i'm from new orleans i'm here with b.p. and we're not going to leave until we make things right he said they would run these ads and then track the media impact of them via facebook and twitter gauge audience response three cut the ads based on that response and then run them again
immediately in order to quote unquote target the constituents more effectively so that's the level the really insidious in precise level that they were functioning on and from what i can see continue to function on today. daryn invested in the gulf since the deepwater horizon oil spill in two thousand and ten you know as you just mentioned if we watch b.p. commercials that the birdwatchers paradise the gulf fine come on down and the seafood it's all good can you talk about the reality on the ground as it stands today this is really many people down there are referring to it as a silent disaster silent not because it's not happening but because of really a media silence of the government silence around what's going on i mean first and most obvious there's been dramatic ongoing impact on the eco system for example just this year. from march to august of this year three million pounds of oil
debris washed up on the shores of the state of louisiana that is twice the amount in the same time period for last year so every time. and there's a storm every day when there are seasons changing there's just a constant barrage of oil debris washing up still not just in the louisiana but in alabama mississippi and florida these pictures are widely available today as a result we see fishing industry that is in crisis so i talked to many many fishermen this last trip that i just returned from a couple of weeks ago and they're saying look one of the problems we're seeing is there's no babies we're not seeing baby fish we're not seeing baby crabs we're not seeing baby shrimp so what we're worried about is while we're still catching fish so fish numbers they're declining slightly but. magically yet that we're worried about the fact that there's no new fish coming in to replace what we're catching and that's very distressing to them particularly considering that we're about three and a half years past the a ridge the origin of the disaster and we have to remember that in the wake of exxon valdez in one nine hundred eighty nine alaska it took four years for the herring population to collapse so we need to keep that in context and so that's one
of the big issues that's ongoing down there that people are obviously very very concerned about right i mean we are going to see the real of facts and for generations i mean this is a whole ecosystem that's connected to a lot of different things are of course that corrects that that highly toxic dispersant sprayed all over the surface of the water to make it look like there was less oil who knows what that's doing let's talk really quickly things are almost out of time about the state of compensation claims in the gulf and b.p. originally predicted total had to be around almost eight billion dollars but of course they've surpassed that and also do you think that they've been punished enough as we know b.p. was still one of the main oil and gas providers for the pentagon did the government do enough to punish this corporation we have about a minute thirty. absolutely there is they've been very very tight on paying out compensation playing claims they've paid out very very few just literally a handful of health related compensation claims none for psychological damage even though there's a massive another silent disaster down there is a massive amount of psychological trauma p.t.s.d.
all kinds of alcoholism and drug abuse happening because of economic distress of people in the fishing industry in a state of collapse and all kinds of problems along those they have not paid out one compensation claim dealing with any of that and they've taken now a defensive tact with the ongoing federal trial in new orleans saying well we're taking we're being taken advantage of people are filing too many false claims and this kind of thing so they're doing everything they can to effectively weasel out paying the compensation that is due and the federal government is not really in my opinion from what i have seen him from what everybody i've been talking to now in the gulf they do have these claims against b.p. they're saying look we're not getting help. investigative journalist as of our show tonight you guys want to break this all over again.
a politician right the body and let's put it that rick thanks for coming up. here just to plug rat today's. at. the prospect of. the device the if you're the girl for the job the price is the only industry specifically mention in the constitution the contract that's because a free and open press is critical to our democracy which threaten all books. will. never go on i'm sorry and on this show we were due a live picture of what's actually going power and money to go beyond identifying a problem trying to fix rational debate and a real discussion of critical issues facing america go ready to join the movement then welcome to the big picture.