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crimean authorities congratulate crowds as preliminary results show ninety five percent vote in favor of joining russia with three quarters of the ballots and. even before tallies were made the white house and you announced they will not recognize crimea vote for self-determination despite acting though as supporters though for similar breakaway movements in the past. the right wing in ukraine shows it's in no mood for peace with one of its leaders a presidential candidate threatening to destroy a pipeline supplying russian gas to europe. civilian activists say they've stopped a ukrainian military convoy amid reports that kiev is sending troops to the east or the border kiev says it's for routine to.
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four am in moscow good to have you with us our top story officials say more than seventy percent of the ballots have been logged after crimean devoted to either stay in ukraine or join russia according to the partial results more than ninety five percent voted to become part of russia official said there was a high turnout with at least eight out of ten eligible citizens having their say or he's like sarah show ski reports from simferopol. vote counting is still continuing it will continue until the morning we're expecting the final results of the referendum to come out at nine o'clock in the morning local time partially the votes have been counted we know that it's more than half of the overall amount of ballots have been counted and at least ninety five percent of those votes counted have voted in favor of joining russia we certainly do know that two questions were
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put on the ballot sheets during this referendum whether you could whether crimea should join russia or whether it should stay with ukraine with large autonomy reverting back to the one nine hundred ninety two constitution in the meantime the international observers who have been monitoring this election have registered no major regularities and false occasions and any kind of violations due in the course of this voting referendum has been organized quite professionally consigning the fact that it was a very legal time told me for all my institutions to prepare all the stuff it was organized according to all. the basic and most important international standards over the day i was. in different place simferopol the save us. and i can certify. if it was a democratic or choice and then the story called choice for the people or if it was
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a very peaceful day people or a voted that must see really other people in the street have already been in pretty much a celebrates of mood it's pretty much a party although other people still don't know what the future holds ahead of them the next week so certainly will be very much decisive in terms of the actions by moscow by key if and by the west but right now it's all about celebration people are genuinely happy about the results of this referendum and i can say that in the last twenty four hours for all the people i've managed to talk here in the scene for i've met very few who. were willing to vote in favor of staying within the iranian territory most of them have been saying about joining russia and for them see it seems to be a real perspective which they are pretty much keen on seeing in their future. these are pictures from the crimean city of sevastopol home to russia's black sea fleet earlier crowds gathered in the central square many waving russian flags and chanting for russian slogans other cities saw similar scenes on the crimean
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peninsula as the ballot counting into a new referendum came after president bush was removed from office after an uprising here crimea as local government pledged to protect their people from what they viewed as an ultra nationalist threat in the capital he tells from arkansas obviously. they are going to mission with you know within a little bit of a street there they offered one down they feel that all those people will get all of ukraine only but most ukrainians as well as russians and europeans do them as nazi collaborators they say one nation one language one country one church they do not tolerate any diversity. the interim kiev government has six ministers including the deputy prime minister from the ultra nationalist far right svoboda party one m.p. from the party has already threatened russia with nuclear weapons if moscow does not cease to support the developments in crimea. i.
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think our government is not legal and sure is a power only by not by desire of people as a cup sure is their power of only buyers them self the forceful grab of power with violent seizure of government buildings and nothing short of armed that's how comedians see recent events in kiev they strongly disagree that those protesting in the capital represented the majority of the country's population and refused to recognize the coming to authorities as legitimate. first thing the good government did when they came to power was to make a law canceling the russian language obviously it created waves in the south east because that's a mostly russian speaking region it created a lot of anger. ninety seven percent of crimea speak russian and the fact that one
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of the first actions was to strip the russian language of its official status could not leave people here in different russian has also disappeared from government websites they were also being cases of russian journalists being denied access to the country. but that if you were going russia give fifteen billion dollars it didn't put any conditions on ukraine it was for the ukrainians to decide how to use the money when europe gives money it immediately stipulates conditions to real social benefits and to open the economy to european products ukrainian products one standout competition from european products have you open the market like the partnership deal with the e.u. was seen as catastrophic here from the onset now the west is promising economic aid through the international monetary fund but the assistance comes under the strictest of conditions and has already pushed other countries to the brink of collapse policy r.t. simferopol crimea before any results were announced the issue the e.u.
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issued a statement condemning the vote as illegal french and british foreign ministers also slammed the referendum u.k.'s william hague pledged moscow economic and political consequences while later on monday the e.u. is set to discuss possible sanctions on russia the white house also stated it wouldn't recognize the referendum on a starship churkin has more from washington. we've heard from the white house say that washington basically rejects this referendum they have said that now barack obama is contemplating a list of individuals russians that would be slapped with sanctions in the form of asset freezes and visa bans this comes after another set of sanctions was imposed earlier on in this crisis we do know it curiously that these rejections of course are being announced before any official results of the referendum have even been announced washington is basically saying that the referendum opposes and violates the cranium constitution and that it comes as a result of intimidation from russia whereas moscow of course throughout this entire crisis has been saying that no military action would be taken place only as
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a very last resort and certainly that has been the case on the ground expectedly we have heard from ukraine's cool points of prime minister of course called this referendum a circus we've also heard from the u.k. saying that this referendum will not be recognized by great britain all of this of course comes as on saturday the united nations security council voted on a resolution against this referendum russia vetoed this tax so it didn't go through china abstained from the vote of thirteen members of the security council supported the opposition to this referendum courtly the united states is basically saying that the international community cannot stand by watching another country get into a territory of another country a good example of a very short lived memory apparently of washington d.c. for the double standards surrounding referendums around the world let's now go to the report of my colleague ali boyko you don't have to get back to see how the u.s. and the western partners have to act times encouraged referendums and secessionists
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split the referendum on self-determination so broad to speak their language to be recognized by more nations around the world shape their daily lives term and their own future must take place. like when costs are very voted to convict cell fountain . serbia in two thousand and eight this is what the birth of the nation looks like . a thirteen year old heard you all heard robert byrd proved that in fact the u.s. backed course of those independence two years before the un judged it was legal and in doing so set the precedent. then after a long and bloody conflict ensued on the referendum so half the country break away in two thousand and eleven to create the world's newest country south sudan the realisation of this historic day is a testament to turns efforts of the people of south sudan in the search for peace the u.s. set up its embassy in the capital of juba that very same day. just last
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year off the coast of argentina the people of the boat planned islands voted overwhelmingly to remain british here's david cameron consoling the argentinian president i want to raise it specifically with the argentine president and say it's important that everyone pays attention to this referendum so that was the right thing to do. again in britain over three hundred years of union could all end this september scotland's being allowed to vote on whether to leave the union the prime minister says it's up to scots to decide their future. yet for all the talk of self-determination crimea's referendum has been denounced as illegal by the g seven group of the world's biggest economies the us has sent fighter jets close to russia deploying them in poland and lithuania it's also preparing sanctions along with the e.u.
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so when it comes to self-determination or territorial integrity your guess is as good as anybody's in predicting which way international powers will side the biggest clue is whether it fits that own interests polly boyko r.t. in london far as between the vote in crimea and kosovo's independence have been dismissed by the german chancellor but her statement was met with dissent within the german parliament full of party members criticizing europe's handling of the issue. i know but. with kosovo they opened a pandora's box what's allowed for kosovo you should also allow for others i told you this but you haven't listened to me winning the cold war has eclipsed everything for you you forgot about everything else the bucks are asking why can't they make their choice whether they want to stay within spain or not catalonians or why can't they decide when they want to belong to spain and of course people living in crimea roskam the same thing but i think that crimea breaking away from ukraine
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is just the same as kosovo i knew putin would use this argument and he did. it during a phone call barack obama invited near putin agreed to work together to resolve the ukraine crisis both leaders admitting that their priority is to stabilize the country despite differing views on the situation there derek munro a contributor to the international think tank foreign policy in focus things pragmatism will overtake the war of words and relations between moscow and washington will normalize well i think just like in any other crisis before between the u.s. and russia oh yes in china there is definite going to be a lot of hoopla in the media so forth idiom of the day everybody's going to sit down and basically they're going to make some parameters. decide some parameters for us how far in from now on relations can go forward do a lot of business in corporate interests they're actually that are really much staking their their future on the good relations between the united states and russia so if it's only temporary. for an international audience it can be hard to
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pin down facts when it comes to crimea especially when the media is reporting that massive military movements on the peninsula. russian military helicopters and planes are entry in ukraine and russian forces have seized crimea is airports the u.s. intelligence community and nato are urgently trying to figure out what the russians may do next from tank columns invading the province to russian troops storming ukrainian bases a flow of such reports have been in the media since crimea made it clear its loyalties didn't lie with the interim government in kiev artie's marína kosovo closer it has been. but what certain media is reverberates in with the notion of a massive russian invasion in crimea this week the self-proclaimed prime minister of ukraine raised the alarm over what he claimed were russian forces and his country in the russian bolts on the ground the russian tanks except to build into twenty first century well that's what all screens like this one on c.n.n.
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have been showing yes those all russian tanks are right there could affect the location no because if they did that would see that it's actually four hundred fifty kilometers east of the ukrainian border and part of russia's military drills but it's what about ukraine's well we went there to see if we can find any. well it wasn't easy i have to tell you but yes we had met with did find one german journalist my new oxen riots are census this reports when i traveled to crimea i expected to find what i saw on western t.v. back home images of the russian foreign machine invading ukraine and it holds a protest by western politicians claiming an invasion was taking place right in front of our eyes i confess i did see one russian tank with my own eyes but this war machine has been here since the one nine hundred forty s. and didn't move ever since ok so no russian tanks but hold on a second there is talk of russian troops who are these people aren't they evil
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russian soldiers who have been flown in to capture crimea or at the very least sway crimean voters. our correspondents want to speak to them and find out who they truly are we are just people who feel it's our duty to protect our native city i'm from sevastopol myself spend my whole life year we maintain public order look out for any provocations and make sure nobody attacks journalists and the rest of the people but it's the nerdish the total i represent the self-defense down for company one of ten companies formed on february the twenty third in sin for up will be my commander and here base the commander of the crimean front a public group which decided to act in these difficult times why do you think these are the russian military they are crimean i'm crimean myself. stable must know that they are safe and protected and not by the military but by regular citizens
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like themselves ok i get through these guys are but white there's a whole russian military base there oh yes russia is a black sea fleet is facing crimea under the open here and in fact it has been there for centuries under the terms of the lease and russia could actually send thousands of more but it hasn't and it's not achieved deal either costing moscow ninety eight million dollars here. we just don't bring the press with what it's you see what's going on in ukraine people are being killed but if you come to civil stoppel you'll find peace and stability that's why we're here to ensure that there's this false impression of war because of all the military personnel stationed here and of course it's being used to undermine the truth i know what kind of media war is being waged now that russia occupied this territory no it's nothing like that. well we tried really
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hard to find those russian scientists in crimea or at least heavily armed russian soldiers ots alas we failed but what we do know for a fact is that there is definitely strong support for becoming parts of russia but us through exactly how many people feel that way well that's what the popular vote is for marina call survivor artsy more updates on the situation in crimea and everything we're expecting from the official results of the referendum still to come our correspondents in major cities around the area bring you the latest on air and online on our twitter feed also hallway across eastern ukraine and in the capital kiev this map showing the cities where we have people on the ground covering the events.
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economic down in the final. and the rest because i. believe every week. the population of crimea votes to decide its legal right of self-determination how did it come to this is it because of the western backed coup that is just our nature as we live with dr b. because all of this is sideshow to undermine russia's legitimate security.
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nineteen minutes past the hour the leader of ukraine's ultra nationalist right sector group dmitri irish threaten to blow up a gas pipeline running from russia to europe through ukraine he says this will happen of russian troops enter the country yarosh is running for president in the group e. leeds has become known for its violent guerrilla tactics through the unrest in the country and threats against non ukrainians living there. would you like it would you know you would you like. no one tells us when to bear arms and when not you wasn't given to us and you will take them away these clips including the group's promotional video circulating online are right sector not the biggest faction within the former opposition but it was at the forefront of the uprising and its members stormed and set fire to government buildings and attacked
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police squads there also consistently rejected concessions offered by the government when it was trying to commune arrest now the right sector is having a bigger impact on ukraine streets british m.p. george galloway host of archy's sputnik says the west needs to recognize the dangers that poses they have the means and capability easily to carry it out so the west must be wondering at least if they have any sense just what kind of a frankenstein monster have the created the ukraine when they cut it down funded fifty dollars a head. the people who overthrew the elected government destroyed the constitution set fire to the government buildings killed a policeman that must of all look rather thrilling in western. unless they had read the novel frankenstein right to the end because if they had they'd know that the
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monster dr frankenstein created quickly got out of control that's why it's called a monster and this monstrous right by the right sector is a very grave one for people in europe because at least a third of the european union gas supply is coming from russia and if the pipelines blown up then we won't have any and then we'll be in very serious trouble indeed. threats to destroy the pipeline company heels of an apparent attempt to sabotage i gas pumping station in crimea on saturday dozens of people who identify themselves as ukrainian border security allegedly tried to damage equipment at a central station on the peninsula but crimea so-called self-defense units managed to prevent the attack in the den at screen civilian defense volunteers say they managed to stop a large column of ukrainian military vehicles heading eastward by asking them politely ryan o'neal reporting. tensions remain high on the border with ukraine.
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activists say they've managed to stop a column of military vehicles make the place which now the activists say that they've stopped two columns of military vehicles one which was carrying soldiers and infantry combat vehicles on the other one travelling by rail which was carrying tanks loaded onto a train. he said children last night the donbass militias saw an army column approaching we sort about fifteen to twenty armored vehicles we stopped them in the commanders told us they were on their way to military drills we realized that they were heading towards the russian border we want peace not bloodshed between our nation this is so we politely asked them to turn back there were a couple of hours of negotiations but the agreed and left. there are also reports that although ukrainian military vehicles have managed to make their way to the russian border the locals in these regions are being told this is just part of a military drill these reports of
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a military buildup taking place near the border of russia is only adding to possible concerns of provocation unpredictable consequences that can only add to the extremely tense situation that we already have in the east of this country graham phillips a british journalist based in ukraine says he came across a formation of ukrainian military vehicles close to the crimean border he managed to talk to the soldiers about what the new government in kiev might have planned and told us what they said. they're not the ones being pushed into this in fact the soldiers on the ukrainian side didn't give me any of that desire to war that war mongering sentiment you hear from the private sector and members of the border they've effectively been pushed into a situation by extremists and by terrorist organizations and you have to look at the kiev government and say that this is really a government which has a neo nazi elements to its core and you can blame crimea for not wanting to be a part of a system in a country which really wants to crush its own culture. not just crimea where people
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are saying they're unhappy with the interim leadership in kiev of the eastern part of the country seeing an arrest people in these provinces have been holding and rallies for several weeks now a massive rally happened in dynamic for example people calling for the same choice crimea has now have and condemning the self declared government of the city saw clashes between pro and anti-government forces thursday night that left one person dead in nearby harkov thousands of protesters were on the streets some of them waving russian flags also some of them occupying offices of far right government parties on friday night two people were killed in this city in a shooting that has been blamed on the right sector radicals also rallies in eastern ukraine in lugansk and people of all ages on the streets expressing their solidarity they say with crimea and carrying anti fascist signs a reminder of our top story people in crimea casting votes on the future of their region in a crucial referendum three quarters of the ballots have now been tallied up preliminary results suggest there is
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a majority ninety five percent favoring crimea is reunification with russia referendum triggered after present on a code which was removed from power by an uprising in kiev in a phone call president putin and obama agreed that despite different assessments of ukraine's ongoing crisis it was important to find ways to stabilize the situation there stay with us as we keep you updated on the latest in a couple of minutes meanwhile katie pilbeam looks at the possible outcome the referendum could have on the economies of ukraine and russia in venture capital back with the latest on the peninsula crisis in about fifteen minutes. i don't want to beat a dead horse i try to drag these opinion pieces but you created melt out hits really close to my heart and affects people i know when i see obama gleefully talking to self elected new ukrainian prime minister just burns the inside of my
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brain he's throwing hypocrisy gasoline on my fire of contempt not only to delete phone call from the estonian defense minister claim that the kiev opposition used both sides but now the former ukrainian chief of security confirmed that the sniper fire came from a building under the control of the protesters at that time also the alliance currently in power in kiev glorified out see germany and you slogans like putting jews and russians to the knife so america's first black president and nobel peace prize winner who was elected by waves of tolerant optimistic lefty liberals is smiling and chatting with a leader who is supported by white power right winger groups that use the murder of their own members to oust a democratically elected government there william nightmare is now my friends but that's just my opinion.
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welcome to venture capital today the referendum on crimea joining russia will take place we discuss the economics of the region on the financial impact of potential outcomes on ukraine and russia the allies the latest disputes ukraine russia money gas bills and we question your role in the pacific gas war between kiev and moscow also in the house of best stuff. for the second week of the job last week he's on the way and as a consequence invested ten thousand u.s. dollars in there are flaws but due to the fallout ukraine is of russia's flagship. kid. interested to see what he's got to say a little later on in the show but for us all this focus our attention is on crimea because today the people of the region will decide if they want to be considered
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ukrainian all russian in a referendum so does that take a look back in history and see why the ownership of crime a being questioned at all so crimea was conquered by russia back in the eighteenth century by catherine the great i was paul suppression tonight in fifty four when soviet leader nikita khrushchev gave the pendant to ukraine as kind of a gesture but at the time it was all paul to the soviet republic and away until the end of the soviet union that is in one thousand nine hundred ninety one and then crimea became independent with ukraine but the sea surrounding the region is home to russia's black sea fleet the population is russian speaking but history politics aside what does the result of this referendum mean for the economies of both ukraine russia eve kiev was to part with crimea or indeed. now the peninsula crimean. two vost oil and gas fields deals with oil giants exxon
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mobile and world show were believed to be in the early stages with the ousted ukrainian president viktor yanukovych investments that could happen absolutely crucial to ukraine's economy obviously during recession so ok for more details and we want took about the financial implications now on the crimea results are now joined by law professor of international relations moscow state university if crimea does join russia there what are the financial implications for russia and ukraine ok well the financial implications for russia of course will deal not only with what happens in the crimea which i think to some extent is already of fait accompli but they will also depend on what happens in the south and the east of the ukraine and how long this regime in kiev lasts before it implodes but if we
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take the crimea in isolation. the financial implications first of all the main industry what is best known for is tory's. and this goes back to the days even of the russian empire when the crimea was a big destination for the aristocracy the royal family all the way through the soviet period up until today but the crimea today is much more than just the tour of the tourism industry there is an extremely valuable state owned. energy and gas business. more nafta gas which produces almost the entirety of ukraine's domestically produced gas the ukraine is or most entirely depend. for energy on russia but what it does produce comes from or came from the crimea how much money are we talking
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about here then i think we will definitely see ukraine lose large revenues in the process at a time when it can't even count on revenues from the east and south of the country which are very close to a state of political rebellion and those are the the east in the south aside from the crimea are the sources of the ukraine's biggest by far industry as well as exports so the economy of ukraine at least the bush regime controlled parts of it are looking disastrous catastrophic they are bankrupt they are heavily in debt. any aid that they may get in the future from the west is extremely conditional on. i.m.f. conditionality neoliberal shock therapy that will have disastrous social economic
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effects for the population that employment reduction and pensions education costs i think we're looking at. i would say a completely viable regime in kiev in the medium term our talk about the costs of taking on crimea i'm talking about paying pensions. examples like that it's not booming economies that crimea no it's not the economy has a lot of potential both for tourism and for energy but as i've said earlier it has been left rather undeveloped so russia has already given indications that pension levels and other social benefits in crimea will be raised up to russian levels which are higher than they are in ukraine and that's before the cut that the rest of ukraine may soon. be freezing so obviously in the short term this will be
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a big draw on the russian budget at a time when it is probably also going to be affected by western sanctions. but i think for russia there are considerations more than just the immediate business in the short term the priority in this case politics all right there mark will leave it there thank you very much indeed for your time today thank you for coming into the city so another issue is gas because ukraine is still the main transit route for european gas and ukraine also relies on russia for sixty percent of its gas needs now due to the political chaos on an empty treasury has not been paying its gas bills to russia the russian supplier gas problem is but the gas from c.e.o. alexei miller said moscow will not be cussing the supply this cannot go on he voiced his concerns about supply to europe and warned of another two thousand and nine situation when ukraine didn't pay up and gas was cut off which did result in
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shortages for europe now although this risk has been alleviated slightly to the introduction of passing rates i'm talking about the nordstrom of course but the facts remain ukraine money ukraine is on the brink of bankruptcy but still needs gas so let's talk about this in further detail with chris we've heard from advisory now chris mosco is not planning to turn the tap soft but has made it clear that this can't go on this situation indefinitely so what happens now we know ukraine doesn't have the money it can't pay these bills what next. well i think the gas standing below and the requirement going forward will have to be part of a need to go see a chanst between the government in kiev and the i.m.f. and the e.u. we know to talks are already taking place between the government in kiev and those organizations that would have used to getting at least some emergency financial aid
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so that the government would be able to continue to pay its debt and pay its obligations that more substantial of a bailout talks that we believe will only take place after if you like that newly elected government is put in place perhaps in the summer in the ocean but the gas bill the two that two billion dollars already jew must be part of the american c. bailout kiev is negotiating and i think that's what russia is this the saying is that they want to be paid they're not cranking up the pressure immediately threatening to cut off today or tomorrow. but gas is part of an emergency he said he gets it if they can get paid and i also hear now about the sanctions and or potential sanctions if crimea does go towards russia and sanctions are imposed what would that mean for the russian economy then so there's already damage. but it could get a lot worse if the sanctions are cranked up and we do we're looking at is sanctions
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usually come in four stages we've had stage one which is very minus to suspension of visa trade talks and the warning that stage one a stage two is usually where we crank up to which they targeting individuals are some specific sanctions which are not necessarily economically damaging but more of the inconvenience category perhaps suspension of g. stuff like that that's what i would expect to see it early next week rather down the more serious sanctions of putting some restrictions on russian banks access to capital markets for example or some trade restrictions because those sanctions also have implications for the e.u. candidate because of russia's important position as but the trade partner in the energy supplier so i think those sanctions possibly have a different red line the assumption is that red line perhaps this is east ukraine rather don't cry to me and for those sort of sanctions ok we'll leave it that chris
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we thank you have a so much for your time i appreciate your comments and that lot of military is cheering as a quote from some companies now on the situation in ukraine where it's a nightmare for us in stocks we know that especially arab flaws says of russ's back to carry air but i take them those type the company has got it by now if it's just this week this is due to the airline tasing it's a flight routes to comply with the territory of ukraine aviation safety so avoiding u.k. across the entire day and staying with travel then traffic in. that is quite often a nightmare as you can hide among eight new heavy people it's been in and around. the company behind the project paris who as it had been seventy had to call faces in the lost every cent made on russian big make up the coffee house decided to reduce the size of its big bustles keep the say twice this is due to the declining
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sales and increased taxes but russia is down eight point five percent last ten calls but expects the russian bear market to drop by another find percent this year . now someone who is going to be meeting a bear himself is awake i've got to be because it was your first week in the job and you put all of your ten thousand us dollars into ira flops. he spun the wheel and came up there a full which means air fleet in russian learnt russia's largest airlines and unfortunately this week due to the instability in ukraine they didn't just cancel flights to ukraine but more flights over ukraine so as you can see here the stocks just drop drop drop ninety percent ninety percent of my money is gone but i still have a face of the wheel i let's see what i'm going to invest in this week all money down hard core. you or i'm sure you. do you think that i should i
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was my goodness i'm on the spot i have. a right you know wop i like green food i like to be healthy i've got an outfit sides and i like to look after myself what am i at the moment i'm trying to detox so what about dick say dixie all of that how about we go with your dixie one of russia's largest food retail chains they have a ton of grocery stores all over moscow and russia and europe all people are always going to need to eat so i bet it will be very profitable nice one tim all right well good luck i like your optimism i haven't been to ted by disastrous but i mean that in the dollar but i reckon it's going to get better from here because people wait here in russia there's lots about the site so that's good stuff all right tim cappy have a great week and enjoy that today because you deserve it thank you but that's all for today and next week we will be discussing the financial outcome of the crimea referendum i'll say good bye good bye.
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very serious. thanks for staying with us seventeen minutes to the top of the hour officials say more than seventy percent of the ballots have now been counted after crime means voted either stay with you crane or join russia according to partial results where the ninety five percent voting to become part of russia official say there was a high turnout with at least eight out of ten eligible crimean is having their say or he's alexei our share of ski reports. vote counting is still continuing it will continue until the morning we're expecting the final results of the referendum to come out at nine o'clock in the morning local time partially the votes have been
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counted we know that it's more than half of the overall amount of ballots have been counted and at least ninety five percent of those votes counted have voted in favor of joining russia we certainly do know that two questions were put on the ballot sheets during this referendum whether you could whether crimea should join russia or whether it should stay with ukraine with large autonomy reverting back to the one nine hundred ninety two constitution in the meantime the international observers who have been monitoring the selection have registered no major regularities and force if occasions and any kind of violations due in the course of this voting referendum has been organized quite professionally concerning the fact that it was a very legal time told prefer institutions to prepare all the stuff it was organized according to all. the basic and most important international standards
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over the day i was. in different place simferopol the save us so paul and i can certify. if it was a democratic old choice and the story corps choice for the people or if it was a very peaceful day people or a voted it must see really other people in the street have already been pretty much to celebrate of mood it's pretty much a party although other people still don't know what the future holds ahead of them the next week so certainly will be very much decisive in terms of the actions by moscow by key if and by the west but right now it's all about celebration people are genuinely happy about the results of this referendum and i can say that in the last twenty four hours for all the people i've managed to talk here in the central i've met very few who. were willing to vote in favor of staying within the iranian territory most of them have been saying about joining russia and for them see it
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seems to be a real perspective which they are pretty much keen on seeing in their future before results were announced the e.u. issued a statement condemning the vote as a legal french and british foreign minister slamming the referendum the u.k.'s william hague promising moscow economic and political consequences later on monday the e.u. is set to discuss possible sanctions on russia the white house also said it wouldn't recognize the referendum on a stasi churkin has more from washington. we've heard from the white house say that washington basically rejects this referendum they have said that now barack obama is contemplating a list of individuals russians that would be slapped with sanctions in the form of asset freezes and visa bans this comes after another set of sanctions was imposed earlier on in this crisis we do know it curiously that these rejections of course are being announced before any official results of the referendum have even been announced washington is basically saying that the referendum opposes and violates the treaty and constitution and that it comes as
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a result of intimidation from russia whereas moscow of course throughout this entire crisis has been saying that no military action would be taken place only as a very last resort and certainly that has been the case on the ground expectedly we have heard from ukraine's cool pointed prime minister of course called this referendum a circus we've also heard from the u.k. saying that this referendum will not be recognized by great britain all of this of course comes as on saturday the united nations security council voted on a resolution against this referendum russia would veto this tax so it didn't go through china abstained from the vote and thirteen members of the security council supported the opposition to this referendum portly the united states is basically saying that the international community cannot stand by watching another country get into a territory of another country a good example of a very short lived memory apparently of washington d.c. for the double standards surrounding referendums around the world let's now go to the report of my colleague holly boyko you don't have to look back to see how the
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u.s. and the western partners have fact times encouraged referendums and secessionists split the referendum on self-determination self-determination broad to speak their language be recognized by a more nations around the world shape their daily lives to remember our own future must take place. like when costs of a voted to convict cell found to. serbia in two thousand and eight this is what the birth of the nation looks like. thirty year old third year old her girlfriend her proof that in fact the u.s. backed cost of those independents two years before the u.n. judged it was legal and in doing so set the precedent. then after a long and bloody conflict ensued on the referendum so half the country break away in two thousand and eleven to create the world's newest country south sudan the realisation of this historic day is a testament to turns efforts of the people of south sudan in the search for peace
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the u.s. set up its embassy in the capital of juba that very same day. just last year off the coast of argentina the people of the boat planned islands voted overwhelmingly to remain british here's david cameron consoling the argentinian president i want to raise it specifically with the argentine president and say it's important that everyone pays attention to this referendum so that was the right thing to do. again in britain over three hundred years of union could all end this september scotland's being allowed to vote on whether to leave the union the prime minister says it's up to scots to decide their future. yet for all the talk of self-determination crimea's referendum has been denounced as illegal by the g seven group of the world's biggest economies the us has sent fighter jets close to russia deploying them in poland and lithuania it's also
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preparing sanctions along with the e.u. so when it comes to self-determination or territorial integrity your guess is as good as anybody's in predicting which way international powers will side the biggest clue is whether it fits that own interests polly boyko r t in london or just crimea where people are saying they're unhappy with the interim government in kiev eastern ukraine seeing growing unrest people across these parts have been holding anti-government rallies for several weeks now. a massive rally happening down yet square people were demanding the same choice that crimea's have been condemning the self declared government the city saw clashes between pro and anti-government forces thursday night with one person left dead in nearby harkov thousands of protesters took to the streets some of them with russian flags and they occupied the offices of far right parties on friday night two people were killed in that city in a shooting some of blamed on the right sector radicals also big rallies being held
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in eastern ukraine in lugansk and people there taking to the streets expressing solidarity with crimea and carrying anti-fascist signs the leader of ukraine's ultra nationalist right sector group dimitri yarosh threaten to blow up a gas pipeline rushing from running from russia to europe through ukraine he says it'll happen every troops enter the country is a presidential candidate and the group he leads has become known for its violent guerrilla tactics through unrest in the country and threats against non ukrainians loving that. no one tells us when to bear arms and when not you wasn't given to us and you will take them away when these clips including the group's groeschel video circulating online the right sector not the biggest faction in the former opposition but at the forefront of the uprising members storming and burning government buildings and
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attacking police squads they also consistently rejected concessions offered by the administration when it was trying to arrest now the right sector is having a bit of a greater impact on the streets of ukraine broadcaster neil clark thinks it's largely because of western support western leaders have been supporting the far right in the they actually i mean we would have had this violent coup without the efforts of the right sector they were the people at the forefront of the violent demonstrations they were the people who are talking government buildings they were the people. the police. and so on so i think that the idea that the west is somehow ashamed of them or the west needed these to bring down the government and i think the west is showing for a long long time now to be not just in ukraine and syria where they backed islamic radicals terrorist area people affiliated al qaeda in libya to that they it is nobody to extreme for the west when they want to achieve regime change they will back anybody whether the neo nazis whether they're al-qaeda affiliates and so i
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think the little chance of the west backing down on their support for the right sector this is a government which has neo nazi that he's calling and the west is supporting it's absolutely obscene and outrageous really. threats to blow up a pipeline come on the heels of an apparent attempt to sabotage a gas pumping station in crimea on saturday dozens of people who identify themselves as ukrainian border security forces allegedly tried to damage equipment at a station on the peninsula but crimea so-called self-defense units managed to prevent the attack. in the next region civilian defense volunteers say they managed to stop a large column of ukrainian military vehicles heading eastward by asking them politely ryan o'neal. tensions remain high in the region on the border of russia and ukraine as. activists say they've managed to stop a column of military vehicles making its way sweet now the activists say they stopped two columns of military calls one which was carrying soldiers and infantry
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combat vehicles and the other one traveling by rail which was carrying tanks loaded onto a train. you see children last night the donbass militias saw an army column approaching the city we saw about fifteen to twenty armored vehicles we stopped them in the commanders told us they were on their way to military drills because we realize and they were heading towards the russian border we want peace not bloodshed between our nation this is so we politely asked them to turn back there were a couple of hours of negotiations but they agreed and left. there are also reports that ukrainian military vehicles have managed to make their way to the russian border locals in these regions are being told this is just part of a military drill these reports of a military buildup taking place near the border of russia is only adding to possible concerns of provocation predictable consequences that can only add to the extremely tense situation that we already have in the east of this country graham
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phillips a british journalist based in ukraine says he came across a formation of ukrainian military close to the crimean border he managed to talk to the troops about what the new government in kiev might have planned and told us what they said they're not the ones being pushed into this in fact the soldiers on the ukrainian side didn't give me any of that desire to war that war mongering sentiment here from the private sector and members of the border they've effectively been pushed into a situation by extremists by terrorist organizations and you have to look at the kiev government and say that this is really a government which has a neo nazi elements to its core and you can blame crimea for not wanting to be a part of a system in a country which really wants to crush its own culture. more news from crimea coming your way in the less than five minutes stay with us. quite often countries rich in natural resources are the poorest africa is
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crimea's authorities congratulate crowds as preliminary results show ninety five percent vote in favor of joining russia with three quarters of the ballots in. before the tallies had been made the white house and the e.u. announced they wouldn't recognize crimea's vote for self-determination despite acting as supporters for similar breakaway movements in the past. civilian activists say they've stopped a ukrainian military convoy amid reports kiev is sending troops east toward the border he says it's for routine drills. the far right in ukraine shows it's not in a mood for peace with one of its leaders a presidential candidate threatening to blow up a pipeline supplying russian gas to europe.
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five am in moscow good to have you with us our top story officials say more than seventy percent of the ballots have now been logged after crimea is voted to either stay with you krane or join russia according to the partial results more than ninety five percent voted to become part of russia official said there was an unprecedented turnout with about eighty percent of eligible crimea's having their say. the reports from simferopol. vote counting is still continuing it will continue until the morning we're expecting the final results of the referendum to come out at nine o'clock in the morning local time partially the votes have been counted we know that it's more than half of the overall amount of ballots have been counted and at least ninety five percent of those votes counted have voted in favor of joining russia we certainly do know that two questions were put on the ballot
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sheets during this referendum whether you could whether crimea should join russia or whether it should stay with ukraine with large autonomy reverting back to the one nine hundred ninety two constitution in the meantime the international observers who have been monitoring the selection have registered no major regularities and force occasions and any kind of violations due in the course of this voting referendum has been organized quite professionally concerning the fact that it was a very legal time told her he said you're supposed to prepare all the stuff it was organized according to all. the basic and most important international standards over the day i was. in different place seemed fair reporting save us. and i can certify. if it was a democratic or choice and then the story corps choice for the people or it was
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a very peaceful day people are voted and must see really other people in the street have already been pretty much a celebrate of mood it's pretty much a party although other people still don't know what the future holds ahead of them the next week so certainly will be very much decisive in terms of the actions by moscow by key of fun by the west but right now it's all about celebration people are genuinely happy about the results of this referendum and i can say that in the last twenty four hours for all the people i've managed to talk here in the central i've met very few who. were willing to vote in favor of staying within the iranian territory most of them have been saying about joining russia and for them see it seems to be a real perspective which they are pretty much keen on seeing in their future is the pictures from the crimean city of sevastopol home to russia's black sea fleet earlier crowds gathered in the central square many waving russian flags and chanting pro russian slogans other cities in the crippen insula saw similar scenes
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as the ballot counting continued the referendum triggered after president on a cold bitch was removed from power after an uprising in kiev crimea in kiev crimea is local government also pledged to protect their people from what they saw as an ultra nationalist threat in the capital details from artie's polis leader. they are good missionaries you know but they all want to speak their they are offered one of their own security for you that all those people get all of your green your money but most ukrainians as well as russians and europeans view them as nazi collaborators they say one nation one language one country one church they do not tolerate any diversity. the interim king of government has six ministers including the deputy prime minister from the ultra nationalist far right svoboda party one m.p. from the party has already threatened russia with nuclear weapons if moscow does
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not cease to support the developments in crimea. think a government is not legal and sure is a power only by not by desire of people as a cup jersey or power of or near byers them self the forceful grab of power with violent seizure of government buildings and nothing short of armed that's how comedians see recent events and here they strongly disagree that those protesting in the capital represented the majority of the country's population and refused to recognize the coming to authorities as legitimate. the us the first thing the good government did when they came to power was to make a law cancelling the russian language obviously it created waves in the south east because that's a mostly russian speaking region it created a lot of anger. ninety seven percent of crimea speak russian and the fact that one
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of the first actions was to stop the russian language of its official status could not leave people here in different russian has also disappeared from government websites they were also been cases of russian journalists being denied access to the country. if you were the world when russia gave fifteen billion dollars it didn't put any conditions on ukraine it was for the ukrainians to decide how to use the money when europe gives money it immediately stipulates conditions to real benefits and to open the economy. in products one standout to competition from european products have you open the market like the partnership deal with the e.u. was seen as catastrophic here from the uncertainty now the west is promising economic aid through the international monetary fund but the assistance comes under the strictest of conditions and has already pushed other countries to the brink of collapse policy r.t. simferopol crimea. before the results were announced the e.u.
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issued a statement condemning the vote as illegal french and british foreign ministers also slammed the referendum the u.k.'s william hague promising moscow economic and political consequences later on monday that you were set to discuss possible sanctions on russia the white house also said it wouldn't recognize the referendum are dishonest r.c. church going to has more from washington. we've heard from the white house say that washington basically rejects this referendum they have said that now barack obama is contemplating a list of individuals russians that would be slapped with sanctions in the form of asset freezes and visa bans this comes after another set of sanctions was imposed earlier on in this crisis we do know it curiously that these rejections of course are being announced before any official results of the referendum have even been announced washington is basically saying that the referendum opposes and violates the premium constitution and that it comes as a result of intimidation from russia whereas moscow of course throughout this entire crisis has been saying that no military action would be taken place only as
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a very last resort and certainly that has been the case on the ground expectedly we have heard from ukraine's cool points of prime minister of course called this referendum a circus we've also heard from the u.k. saying that this referendum will not be recognized by great britain all of this of course comes as on saturday the united nations security council voted on a resolution against this referendum russia would veto this tax so it didn't go through china abstained from the vote of thirteen members of the security council supported the opposition to this referendum courtly the united states is basically saying that the international community cannot stand by watching another country get into a territory of another country a good example of a very short lived memory apparently of washington d.c. for the double standard surrounding referendums around the world let's now go to the report of my colleague ali boyko you don't have to look back to see how the u.s. and the western partners have fact times encouraged referendums and secessionist
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split the referendum on self-determination self-determination broad to speak their language be recognized by more nations around the world shape their daily lives to in their own future must take place. like mine cos if i voted to carve itself out to. serbia in two thousand and eight this is what the birth of a nation looks like. thirty year old third year old her girlfriend her proof that in fact the u.s. backed cost of those independents two years before the un judged it was legal and in doing so set the precedent. then after a long and bloody conflict ensued on the referendum so half the country break away in two thousand and eleven to create the world's newest country south sudan the realisation of this historic day is a testament to turns efforts of the people of south sudan in the search for peace the u.s. set up its embassy in the new capital of juba that very same day. just last
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year off the coast of argentina the people of the vocal and islands voted overwhelmingly to remain british his david cameron consoling the argentinian president i want to raise it specifically with the argentine president and say it's important that everyone pays attention to this referendum so that was the right thing to do. again in britain over three hundred years of union could all end this september scotland's being allowed to vote on whether to leave the union the prime minister says it's up to scots to decide their future. yet for all the talk of self-determination crimea is referendum has been denounced as illegal by the g seven group of the world's biggest economies the us has sent fighter jets close to russia deploying them in poland and lithuania it's also preparing sanctions along with the e.u.
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so when it comes to self-determination or territorial integrity your guess is as good as anybody's in predicting which way international powers will side the biggest clue is whether it fits that own interests partly boyko r.t. in london. after a phone conversation barack obama. vladimir putin agreed to work together to resolve the ukraine crisis both leaders admitting that the priority is to stabilize the country despite different views on the situation there derek munro a contributor to the international think tank foreign policy in focus thinks pragmatism will win out in the war of words and relations between washington and moscow will normalize. well i think just like in any other crisis before between us and russia or us in china there is definite going to be a lot of hoopla in the media saw so forth of the day everybody's going to sit down and basically they're going to need some parameters. decide some parameters for us how far in from now on relations can go forward do
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a lot of business in corporate interests they're actually that are pretty much sticking their their future on the good relations between the united states and russia so they think it's only temporary for an international audience that can be hard to pin down the facts when it comes to crimea especially when media reports of massive military movements on the peninsula russian military helicopters and planes are entry in ukraine and russian forces have seized crimea as airports the u.s. intelligence community and nato are urgently trying to figure out what the russians may do next from tank columns invading the area to russian troops storming ukrainian bases a constant flow of reporting has been appearing in the media since crimea made it clear it's loyalties that were not with the interim government in kiev are his maria kosar if the reports of. western media is reverberates and with the notion of a massive russian invasion and crimea this week the self-proclaimed prime minister of ukraine writes the alarm of what he claimed were russian forces and his country carrying russian bullets on the ground the russian tanks it's unacceptable in the
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twenty first century well that's what all screens like this one on c.n.n. have been showing yes those are russian tanks all right that could affect the location no because if they did that would see that it's actually four hundred fifty kilometers east of the ukrainian border and parts of russia's military drills box what about ukraine's well we went there to see if we can find any. well it wasn't easy i have to tell you but yes we had met with did find one german journalist mind you oxen riots or a sense. this reports when i traveled to crimea i expected to find what i saw on western t.v. back home images of the russians or machine invading ukraine and it holds of protest by western politicians claiming an invasion was taking place right in front of our eyes i confess i did see one russian tank with my own eyes but this war
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machine has been here since the one nine hundred forty s. and didn't move ever since ok so now russian tanks but hold on a second there is talk of russian troops who are these people are they evil russian soldiers who have been flown in to capture crimea or at the very least sway crimean voters. our correspondents want to speak to them and find out who they truly are we are just people who feel it's our duty to protect our native city i'm from sevastopol myself spend my whole life year we maintain public order look out for any provocations and make sure nobody attacks journalists and the rest of the people but it's no no just felt a little small but i represent the self-defense town for company one of ten companies formed on february twenty third insuperable to be my commander and here base the commander of the crimean front that's probably a group which decided to act in these difficult times why do you think these are the russian military they are crimean crimean myself. somebody must know
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that they are safe and protected and not by the military but by regular citizens like themselves. ok i get through these guys are but white there's a whole russian military base there oh yes russia is a black sea fleet is space in crimea under a deal with here and in fact it has been there for centuries under the terms of the lease and russia could actually send thousands of more but it hasn't and it's not achieved deal either costing moscow ninety eight million dollars a year. we are still putting a price with what it's about you see what's going on in ukraine people are being killed but if you come to civil stop all you'll find peace and stability that's why we're here to ensure that. there's this false impression of war because of all the military personnel stationed here and of course it's being used to undermine the truth i know would kind of media war is being waged now that russia occupied this
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territory no it's nothing like that well we tried really hard to find those russian scientists in crimea or at least heavily armed russian soldiers ots alas we failed but what we do know for a fact is that there is definitely strong support for becoming parts of russia but are so exactly how many people feel that way well that's what the popular vote is for marina cost of artsy well bring you updates on the situation in crimea and expecting official results of the referendum soon our reporters stationed in major cities there bring you the latest on air and online by our twitter feed and we're following developments across eastern ukraine and kiev as well the map showing the cities where we have boots on the ground keeping track of the events and more coming your way after a short break. the population of crimea votes to decide its legal right of self-determination to come
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to this is because of the western backed coup that has brought fascist nato's relinquished by beasts because all of this is a sideshow to undermine russia's with judgment security to. choose your language. according to make it with. the consensus. choose the opinions that you think are great. choose the stories get him to. choose the access to.
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eighteen minutes past the hour now the earth will burn under the feet of separatist strong words coming from ukraine's post-coup interim prime minister as he addressed parliamentary and unscheduled session. you couldn't find all those responsible for instigating the separatism those who are trying to destroy ukraine's independence some of the protection of russian troops will fundamentally a year or two years put them on trial in ukraine in international courts and the earth will burn beneath their feet there will be no place on earth where they will feel safe and russia will not protect them he also claimed that despite its grave economic state ukraine it needs to raise its military budget ten fold the move
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would see massive cuts to social spending there as ukraine's finances remain in dire straits hundred forty billion dollars in foreign debt in the den at screen civilian defense volunteers say they managed to stop a large column of ukrainian military vehicles heading eastward by asking them politely ryan o'neal reporting for r.t. . tensions remain high in the region on the border of russia and ukraine as. activists say they've managed to stop a column of military vehicles making place which now the activists say that they've stopped two columns of military vehicles one which was carrying soldiers and infantry combat vehicles on the other one traveling by rail which was carrying tanks loaded onto a train. he said children last night the donbass militias saw an army column approaching the city we saw about fifteen to twenty armored vehicles we stopped them in the commanders told us they were on their way to military drills we realize that they were heading towards the russian border it was we want peace not
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bloodshed between our nations so we politely asked them to turn back there were a couple of hours of negotiations but they agreed and left. there are also reports that ukrainian military vehicles have managed to make their way to the russian border locals in these regions are being told this is just part of a military drill these reports of a military buildup taking place near the border of russia is only adding to possible concerns of provocation predictable consequences that can only add to the extremely tense situation that we already have in the east of this country. graham phillips a british journalist based in ukraine says he came across a group of ukrainian military vehicles close to the crimean border he talked with some of the soldiers about what the new government in kiev might have planned and here is what he told us they said. then all the ones being pushed into this in fact the soldiers on the ukrainian side didn't give me any of that desire to war that war mongering sentiment you hear from the private sector and members of the border
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they've effectively been pushed into a situation by extremists by terrorist organizations and you have to look at the kiev government and say that this is really a government which has neo nazi elements to its cause and you can blame crimea for not wanting to be a part of a system in a country which really wants to crush its own culture. other developments coming out of ukraine the leader of ukraine's ultra nationalist group right sector dimitri has threatened to blow up a gas pipeline running from russia to europe through ukraine the presidential hopeful says he'll make good on his word if russian troops enter the country the group has become known for its violent girl a tactics through the unrest in the country and threats against non ukrainians living there. if you would do you would you like. no one tells us when to bear arms and when not you wasn't given to us and you will take them away these clips including the
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group's promotional video are circulating online the right sector not the biggest faction in the former opposition but it was at the forefront of the uprising its members storming and torching government buildings and attacking armed police they also consistently rejected concessions offered by the government when it was trying to calm the an arrest now the right sector is having a larger impact on the streets of ukraine british m.p. george galloway host of archy's sputnik as the west needs to recognize the dangers the group poses. they have the means and capability easily to carry it out so the west must be wondering at least if they have any sense just what kind of a frankenstein monster have the created the ukraine when they in college done funded fifty dollars a head day the people who overthrew the elected government destroyed the constitution set fire to the government buildings killed
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a policeman but most of all look rather thrilling in western. unless they had read the novel frankenstein right to the end because if they had they'd know that the monster dr frankenstein created quickly got out of control that's why it's called a monster and this monstrous right by the right sector is a very grave one for people in europe because at least a third of the european union gas supply is coming from russia and if the pipelines blown up then we want to have any and then we'll be in very serious trouble indeed . threats to blow up a pipeline come on the heels of an apparent attempt to sabotage a gas pumping station in crimea on saturday dozens of people who identify themselves as ukrainian border security forces allegedly tried to damage equipment at a station on the peninsula but crimea is so-called self-defense units say they managed to prevent the attack not just crimea where people say they're unhappy with the
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interim leadership in kiev eastern ukraine seeing growing unrest people in these areas have been holding anti-government protests for several weeks now a massive rally happy to die nets with people demanding the same choices crimea and condemning the government in cities all violent clashes between pro and anti-government forces thursday night with one person killed in nearby harker of thousands of protesters took to the streets with russian flags and some of them occupying the offices of far right parties on friday night two people were killed in the city city in a shooting that some of blamed on the radical right sector members also massive rallies happening in eastern ukraine in lugansk and people of all ages on the streets expressing solidarity with crimea and carrying anti fascist signs a reminder of our top story people of crimea casting votes on the future status of the region in a referendum there three quarters of the ballots now in. element arizona's show an overwhelming majority ninety five percent favoring crimea's unification with russia
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referendum sparking a storm of condemnation by the west triggered after president bush was removed from power by an uprising in kiev in a phone call president putin and president obama agreed that despite different assessments of ukraine's ongoing crisis it's crucial to find ways to stabilize the situation as washington continues considering sanctions against moscow stay with us on r.t. as we keep you up to date. after the break peter lavelle and crossed i guess discuss the crimean referendum. i don't want to beat a dead horse i try to bridge these opinion pieces but you created meltdown hits really close to my heart and affects people i know when i see obama gleefully talking to self elected new ukrainian prime minister just burns the inside of my
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brain he's throwing hypocrisy gasoline on my fire of contempt not only to delete phone call from the estonian defense minister claim that the kiev opposition used against both sides but now the former ukrainian chief of security confirmed that the sniper fire came from a building under the control of the protesters at that time also the alliance currently in power in kiev glorified nazi germany and you slogans like putting jews and russians to the knife so america's first black president and nobel peace prize winner who was elected by waves of tolerant optimistic lefty liberals is smiling and chatting with a leader who is supported by white power right winger groups that use the murder of their own members to oust a democratically elected government there william nightmare is not my friends but that's just my opinion. leg it was terrible they lead very hard to make going to let you get
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hello and welcome to all things are considered i'm peter lavelle the population of crimea votes to decide its legal right of self-determination how did it come to this is it because of the western backed coup that has brought the fascist to power or. drive east it's all business side show to undermine russia's legitimate security interests. to cross out the crimean vote i'm joined by my guest george galloway in london he is a politician a writer a british m.p. and host of the program sputnik on our t.v. in washington we have michael hughes he is a journalist and foreign policy analyst who. i often write for the huffington post and the examiner and in moscow we cross to dmitri babich he is a political analyst with the voice of russia gentlemen cross-talk rules in fact that means you can jump in anytime you want and i very much encourage it george i
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go to you first in london what is the significance of this vote well i think the point you made in your introduction is the main one how did this all come about it came about because a coup took place in kiev the ukrainian constitution was trashed president driven from the land presidency set on fire a policeman killed in significant numbers fascists on the streets and their first act was to cancel the russian language so not generally crimea which for two centuries has been a part of russia was given away rather capriciously by khrushchev in my lifetime without consulting a single person in crimea and the crimean people ninety seven percent of whom speak russian got rather anxious and began to look to protect their own interests and for those who say self-determination referendum is illegal under the ukrainian
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constitution there is no ukrainian constitution it was destroyed in the coup that the western countries helped to far meant and certainly financed in very significant order and of course in scotland in september the scottish people are voting not the english or the welsh or the people of the north of ireland just the scottish on whether or not they should leave the united kingdom it's good enough for them it's good enough for the people of crimea ok dimitri what would you react react to what george had to say there because you know washington says it's illegal it's illegitimate eccentric satcher i can remember cos of aldo. well i would say that still it's a good move on russia's side to support this referendum and you know most of their political up service here in moscow but are surprised when the steps were taken in that direction in the end of february but if you look at this situation from a russian perspective it would look rather naturedly i mean since one thousand nine
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hundred eighty eight russia has been making concessions we gave up our positions in central europe where allowed nato to expand even into former soviet republics in the baltics so ukraine was like the last straw that broke. the back of a camel something had to be done to shoulder west that it cannot indiscriminately and without any risks moving its military machine goals in course at the rush i mean sevastopol as a nato base is an absurdity if any of our knowing history knows that russia did not give up sevastopol even in eight hundred fifty five when the fleets of great britain and france about a bombard in it for months so obviously this is the first time that russia ready took a stand and i would say that the place is chosen not because of international law
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but if you go considerations probably it would be easier to apply pressure on other countries. in crimea indeed the majority of people want to become citizens of russia and the west should ask itself the question how come that these happened these people lived in independent ukraine for twenty five years and still they didn't become in any way closer to kiev i think the reason is because they're afraid that the new government in kiev is actually billion and therefore the extent this is something that they cannot accept in crimea michel it's even western media they just don't like to talk about the composition of this government in kiev the fascist the ultra nationalists explain to me why you think that's the case. well i think that's the case because there's a natural bias in the western media against putin in russia even you know what's what's concerning it's not only on the american right i mean fox news you know that's predictable but the american left publications like new york times are you
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know either glossing it over or they're outright criticizing it they're calling it propaganda in there overlooking the facts and the facts are neo fascists have and ultranationalist have filled a number of top ministry posts and what's ironic is the europeans and the us years ago said these parties did not reflect western values and now they're all about it you know it's like yesterday they were are neo fascists today you know they're evil kind of like the taliban were are terrorist before nine eleven and now they're evil it's just amazing it's just we're able to wind blows that's what the u.s. position is whatever the u.s. says at the time you know depending on the position depending on their interests that's that's what you know their stances so it's it's just remarkable like you know in my article i say google ukraine a neo fascist or neo nazi and you know eventually you find an article like the
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state department didn't have to do a lot of research yet they categorically denied this in a statement a top ten list kind of mocking putin and it is just you know it's agree just it's kind of hard to believe that they would point blank just deny that ultra nationalists are occupying the top post. george if i go back to you in line i think what's really quite remarkable from a russian perspective is that there was an agreement on the twenty first of february it was a compromise everybody won something no one lost everything and then the e.u. walked away from it in we had big tory and new and school pulled off here no wonder russia doesn't trust these people well quite president kennedy god rest his soul was ready to take the whole world to thermonuclear war to stop the then soviet union having missiles on cuba ninety miles away from the coast of florida yet they imagine that russia will expect will accept the ever onward march of nato
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and everybody knows that the kind of regime we now have through the coup in kiev the next thing they would do after the i.m.f. and the e.u. would be to invite nato to the very borders of the russian federation and anyone with any sense would know that a leader like putin who is nobody's pushover everybody knows that would never accept that so russia is now attending to its absolutely legitimate security and economic concerns and the responsibilities that it has to ethnic russian people i mean the united kingdom sailed seven eight nine thousand miles to the south atlantic to come to the aid of two thousand three hundred of people who claim to be our compatriots and for the falklands war how much more pressure is there on a russian president to defend his compatriots on the very borders of the russian
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state well what about the south east of ukraine after this referendum in crimea what's your crystal ball saying well i hope that. basically a crane mir is a special. case and i see a lot of complications for russia and for the west if our rest in the eastern parts of ukraine becomes violent and at a certain moment russia will be forced to intervene i think it's not in the interest of ukraine it's not in the interests of the west it's not in the interest of russia and i hope their. government in kiev has some wisdom and they won't just rest their leaders or for people movements there because ok they're asked at these so-called people's governor. but there will be there just to please them by some are they enthusiastic so this is not the way to
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treat opposition we know it. but you know the problem with the kiev government. the west says or they made a mistake canceling the status of russian necessary jinnah language or they made a mistake by taking in members of the suborder party into the government to suborder you need it was called national soul szell part of ukraine you understand that this is a euphemism for national soldier this body of ukraine but i would say that this reminds me or the soviet mentality they always said that started made mistakes the nature of stalin was criminal in there were he the same way i see a lot of people in budget if she and i see a lot of people who are also all diehard extremist nationalists and this is the nature of this regime to cancel the status of russian language in the regions or to take out a nationalist into the government this is no mistake this is their character ok
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michael let's focus on the state department here what were they thinking what was victoria nuland thinking that she was going to pull this off i mean it's really amateur behavior i've never seen such amateur behavior in foreign policy in my lifetime. and i have to say admittedly i was a little shocked that you know she she she did this she's to you know seem like a professional when she do the state department press briefing she always carefully you know chose her words and for her to do something so one diplomatic but then again you know you know her fingerprints were kind and been gassy as well so you know it's unbelievable she's married to a neo con you know that's got to be stated too so maybe that's where her mindset is and you know some of her radical views came out but it was disappointing you know when you when you cover the state department and there was you know the press even respected her and you know that it's unfair like you said it's just mind boggling
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but you know she's representing john kerry's ideas and i don't know what happened to kerry over the past ten years he has lindsey graham coming up to a mile and saying hey reading her beyond the call your night before we go to the brain jump in george before we go to the break go ahead yeah i mean doesn't she representing john mccain's ideas i mean the obama administration hasn't had a farmhand on this the base has been set by mccain and by the new york on of the bush era nuland is one of those she's got a dirty mouth we know about what he thinks of the european union we now know she was giving out fifty dollars a day which was quite a bit of money per day to examine the street destroyed the ukrainian constitution so i don't think we can exculpate the obama administration from this if this is what's going on good and of the of what they're all right and yes let me go we're going to let me jump in here we're going to go to a short break and after that short break we'll continue our discussion on crimea
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stay with our team. you know recall will be very black and white approach that the european union. to this issue in the beginning of the crisis you know either you're with us or you are with russia. was that a pragmatic. reasonable path to follow and i think it was a foolish approach from. the european union. that the european union didn't know what with what it was stepping them to.
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that spanish find out more visit actuality. please. welcome back to cross talk where all things are considered i'm peter lavelle to remind you we're discussing the crimean vote. ok george i'll go back to you in london as we are all speaking here right now the votes the last votes are being counted i think we can all rest assured that it's going to pass so what does washington in brussels and london and everybody else do tomorrow well i think they'll have to accept the democratic decision of the people of crimea there. are going to go to war with russia the sanctions that they're
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talking about will boomerang very badly upon them and their own economies which my goodness are in a parlous condition so they'll just have to accept it and i think they'll be able to accept it the main problem will be as dimitri said if the provocations of the right sector and spada continue in the ukraine against the overwhelmingly russian speaking people of the east of ukraine russia will be forced to take other measures and those other measures might take us into very dangerous waters indeed so if i was in the foreign office behind me who knows maybe one day i'll get there if i was in the foreign office behind me i would take the decision to just bite my lip and accept that the gamble that they took in backing the coup in kiev hasn't wholly
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come off and that crimea has to be put in the debit balance column you know it be may it again you know we see washington fumbling all of the time in syria comes to mind here i mean what happens the the next day we've heard so much bluster out of the media in western politicians mccain was mentioned here i mean can they eat their words if they will eat their words how long how will they reflect upon their policies. well the problem is that there are sanctions when we talk about sanctions . those sanctions which can be imported on russia without a new price to play from the western side these sanctions have already been imposed a lot a goal yeah i mean if we look at the main measures that the e.u. is going to take first it's going to cancel negotiations on the visa free regime between russia and the u. i remind you that these negotiations were started on portions initiated of back in two thousand and three they dragged on for ten years and they will drag on for
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thirty or forty years more there is no absolutely no pain for russia in stopping these negotiations right now and the second thing that they did is to cancel negotiations on the new partnership and cooperation agreement again and i remind you this agreement was signed in one thousand nine hundred four it expired in two thousand and four and since then we would not elaborate the new agreement with the european union because this new agreement will have to be fired by the parliaments in such countries as poor and all the store near or large here and i don't think they have already any agreement except the violence saying that russia is a criminal state and you know all the story so the problem is that by being so confrontational with russia during the last at least twenty years the western powers have limited their capacity to impose sanctions what can they do ok they can store buy in russian oil and gas that that would be an economic disaster for the
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european union or they can stop said in russians you know their consumer goods or their luxury goods that they're sent in now and this will hit the european union's budget so by they're all poor he says they made themselves powerless no this is what i want to say about the west and put it issuance michael well how do you reflect upon that because you know monday morning is going to come around and we've already heard from john kerry that you know right after the referendum we will make our big announcement in from idema just said there's not any announcements going to be well you know an underestimation of what he probably has in his mind. right i think you know the cold the cold war war's over it's not as easy to isolate countries especially great powers i think you know they may have some leverage with you know from the business aspect from the sanctions you know in this world today both you know the russia depends on europe europe depends on russia and europe you know they could hurt russia in that regard with you know you know if they overdo it
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on sanctions that may be a leverage point but that would be stupid because they rely on russian you know natural resources so i think there has to be restraint to start a sanctions war will lead to nowhere and it will it will hurt but there are some people like mccain that are wont to drive towards that and i think you know it could cause some problems if all these you know the elite in these business and these industry leaders in russia start getting their visas revoked everywhere they go that that's going to be problematic and that's going to make the whole situation even worse so i think there needs to be restraint and i think there are a lot of go ahead joy i direct handily and the georgian london i've been let me. let me tell you if they stop dr richard russians coming to london to throw their platinum credit cards around how to drive up the prices for ordinary people in
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london and stop a russian boy isn't ruling elite college. that's a good thing so far as most british people. i always get who do you guys will get a little stuff at putin. all right let me jump in here even if they do i think putin is pretty angry with them after all why shouldn't russia's wealth be spent in the development of russia rather than the development of the london property market are buying clubs in the english premiership let them buy clubs in russia oh that's that's what vladimir putin says you're. let me go back to you here in moscow i think one interesting angle of this is that china has come out very much on russia's side and i always hated when western politicians say the international community says well no that is nato and their friends but china is is coming out and saying look you know there are lines that you cannot cross here and it's
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backing up russia here how is this changing the geopolitical order in your mind well i must tell you that i heard from several cheney's friends of mine. they suddenly had the same impression of john kerry supreme court press conference that i had i mean the recent most recent press conference and this impression was very positive i mean i understand that those sounds strange but it was very positive because for the first time in fifteen years that we have heard from mr kerry such words as legitimate russian interests and molecule a troll approach go into international organizations observe an international law for fifteen years since the yugoslav war in one thousand nine hundred nine we haven't heard it from the united states we want it heard that the u.n. is all dated international law is old dated the united states is going to act you knew a truly. russia has no legitimate interest china has no legitimate interest so for
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the first time there american secretary of state speaks like a normal official in his situation and russia had to take this move russia had to basically. make this board geopolitical step in order to make john kerry speak like a normal human being this is something that is going to be watched closely and appreciated in china in india probably even in brazil ok george but it looks like the horses are already out the gate here because again mr kerry can talk all he wants but actions are very very different here and again the the united states. being spotlight is on the fact that it doesn't respect international law and when it deals with the sovereign rights of other countries i mean one of the interesting things is that we keep hearing from the white house is that russia should respect the sovereignty of ukraine well who doesn't respect sovereignty in ukraine. well look i'm sitting a hundred fifty yards from the building that took
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a decision to invade and occupy country after country after over the last decade all those who mendaciously marched us into war and occupation around the world have no right to speak about anybody's infringement of anybody's national sovereignty but in this case it's especially absurd because as you fleetingly referred in kosovo which is a part of the serbian state the very same countries are doing everything that they can to separate costs of war from serbia and to accept it unilateral declaration of independence and this all began with tony blair's chicago speech the chicago doctrine where they basically crushed international law they crushed the united nations they asserted their right to decide where and when to intervene invade occupy other people's countries so i don't take seriously the
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political class of the western countries or their media jim barr and president putin hasn't filed a single shot in anger in crimea the cry to me and people are putting an x on a piece of paper as we speak what could be a more democratic peaceful way of self determining your own future than that ok michael i'm i'm i'm almost convinced that mr putin is going to irritate everyone in the west by not saying anything about a vote for a while here although what's clear is obama's position right now we have people like mccain you know he says we became says about the obama failed in syria he's failed in ukraine is there going to be a backlash against obama because he does the perception is he's very weak i think the perception is that he's weak and sometimes. people mistake that because he's judicious and deliberateness thinking and i mean maybe he's more like putin in that
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regard maybe it seems like he doesn't like to make a lot of statements on this and as george said earlier and now i'm wondering is this state department kind of going rogue on the obama i think his problem is he you know he's not controlling the state department properly he's not controlling the message and it's hard it's hard to understand what he really thinks because he doesn't make a lot he lets kerry make all the statements and you know sounds like they let victoria run wild so i think you know if you sat down in a back room obama would love to you know do some i think he's a pragmatic liberal so i think you know we're going to get from him he has to take control of the situation and kind of tone it down rein in the state department. i think that's that's the problem right now there's a disconnect i think you know he is deliberate and that's what he gets you know he gets accused of dithering you know which is you know he's thinking before he's
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acting so you know that's the way i see it all right gents fascinating discussion with run out of time many thanks my guests in london washington and in moscow and thanks to our viewers for watching us here at r.t. see you next time and remember. these. funding social groups or organizations that are the same thing as funding a revolution well of course if they're tossing molotov cocktails and not having a peaceful and and what i would say intellectual dialogue you know using can. indications and paper and god creating you know what i would say town halls and
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having discussions that is funding a revolution if you know inciting violence and and basically the money's going to organizations that may incite violence against this standing government that is inciting your evolution and i think it's illegal.
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crimean authorities congratulate crowds preliminary results show ninety five percent vote in favor of joining russia with three quarters of the ballots counted . even before the tallies had been made the white house and the e.u. announced that they won't recognize crimea's vote for self-determination that is despite acting as supporters of similar breakaway movements in the past. civilian activists say they've stopped a ukrainian military convoy amid reports that kiev is sending troops east toward the border he have says it's for routine drills. and a far right in ukraine showing its no mood for peace with one of its leaders a presidential candidate threatening to destroy
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a pipeline supplying russian gas to europe. six am in moscow thanks for joining us our top story this hour officials say more than seventy percent of the ballots have now been logged after crimea is voted to either stay in ukraine or join russia according to the partial results more than ninety five percent voted to become part of russia official said there was a high turnout with at least eighty percent of eligible crimea's having their say parties alexei or chef ski reports from simferopol. vote counting is still continuing it will continue until the morning we're expecting the final results of the referendum to come out at nine o'clock in the morning local time partially the votes have been counted we know that it's more than half of the overall amount of ballots have been counted and at least ninety five percent of those votes counted
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have voted in favor of joining russia we certainly do know that two questions were put on the ballot sheets during this referendum whether you could whether crimea should join russia or whether it should stay with ukraine with large autonomy reverting back to the one nine hundred ninety two constitution in the meantime the international observers who have been monitoring the selection have registered no major regularities and force if occasions in any kind of violations do in the course of this vote in a referendum has been organized quite professionally concerning the fact that. it was a very legal time told her all my institutions to prepare all the stuff it was organized according to all. the basic and most important international standards over the day i was. in different places seem fair reporting save us so paul
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and i can certify. if it was a democratic old choice and then the story corps choice for the people or if it was a very peaceful day people or a voted that must see really other people in the street have already been pretty much a celebrate of mood it's pretty much a party although other people still don't know what the future holds ahead of them the next week certainly will be very much decisive in terms of the actions by moscow by key if and by the west but right now it's all about celebration people are genuinely happy about the results of this referendum and i can say that in the last twenty four hours for all the people i've managed to talk here in the central i've met very few who. we're willing to vote in favor of staying within the radiance that it's already most of them have been saying about joining russia and for them see it seems to be a real perspective which they are pretty much keen on seeing in their future. is this video from the crimean city of sevastopol home to the russian black sea fleet
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earlier crowds gathered in the central square many were waving russian flags chanting pro russia slogans other cities on the peninsula saw similar scenes of the ballot counting intended the referendum triggered after president was removed from office after an uprising in kiev crimea as local government also pledged to protect their people from what they view as an ultra nationalist threat from the capital details from artie's polis leader. missionaries you know they all want to speak their they are awful on their own they feel that all those people like you're all of ukraine or me but most ukrainians as well as russians and europeans do them as nazi collaborators they say one nation one way i was one country one church they do not tolerate any diversity. the interim king of government has six ministers including the deputy prime minister from the ultra nationalist far right svoboda party one m.p.
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from the party has already threatened russia with nuclear weapons if moscow does not cease to support the developments in crimea. i. think our government is not legal and sure is a power only by not by desire of people as a cup jersey air power or only buyers themself the forceful grab of power violence seizure of government buildings and nothing short of armed coups that's how crimean see recent events and here they strongly disagree that those protesting in the capital represented the majority of the country's population and refused to recognize the coming to authorities as legitimate. the us the first thing the good government did when they came to power was to make a law canceling the russian language obviously it created waves in the south east because that's a mostly russian speaking region it created
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a lot of anger. ninety seven percent of crimea speak russian and the fact that one of the first actions was to stop the russian language of its official status could not leave people here in different russian has also disappeared from government websites they were also being cases of russian journalists being denied access to the country. that is you were the world when russia gave fifteen billion dollars it didn't put any conditions on ukraine it was for the ukrainians to decide how to use the money when europe gives money it immediately stipulates conditions to real benefits and to open the economy to european products ukrainian products one standout competition from european products have you open the market like the partnership deal with the e.u. was seen as catastrophic here from the onset now the west is promising economic aid through the international monetary fund but the assistance comes under the strictest of conditions and has already pushed other countries to the brink of collapse policy r.t. simferopol crimea before the results were in the e.u.
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issued a statement condemning the vote is illegal french and british foreign ministers also slammed the referendum the u.k.'s william hague promising moscow economic and political consequences later on monday the e.u. said to discuss possible sanctions on russia while the white house stated it wouldn't recognize the referendum artie's artist r.c. church has more from washington. we've heard from the white house say that washington basically rejects this referendum they have said that now barack obama is contemplating a list of individuals russians that would be slapped with sanctions in the form of asset freezes and visa bans this comes after another set of sanctions was imposed earlier on in this crisis we do know it periodically that these rejections of course are being announced before any official results of the referendum have even been announced and washington is basically saying that the referendum opposes and violates the cranium constitution and that it comes as a result of intimidation from russia whereas moscow of course throughout this
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entire crisis has been saying that no military action would be taken place only as a very last resort and certainly that has been the case on the ground expectedly we have heard from ukraine's cool points of prime minister of course called this referendum a circus we've also heard from the u.k. saying that this referendum will not be recognized by great britain all of this of course comes as on saturday the united nations security council voted on a resolution against this referendum russia vetoed this tax so it didn't go through china abstained from the vote of thirteen members of the security council supported the opposition to this referendum a good example of a very short lived memory apparently of washington d.c. for the double standards surrounding referendums around the world let's now go to the report of my colleague pauline boyko you don't have to get back to see how the u.s. and the western partners have to act times encouraged referendums and secessionist split the referendum on self-determination self-determination broad to speak their
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language be recognized by more nations around the world shape their daily lives to remember our own future must take place. like when costs are very very to to carve itself out of serbia in two thousand and eight this is what the birth of a nation looks like. thirty euros per year over government good. that in fact the u.s. backed kosovo's independence two years before the un judged it was legal and in doing so set the precedent. then after a long and bloody conflict ensued on the referendum so half the country break away in two thousand and eleven to create the world's newest country south sudan they realize ation of this historic day is a testament to tireless efforts of the people of south sudan in the search for peace. the u.s. set up its embassy in the capital of juba that very same day. just last
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year off the coast of argentina the people of the boat planned islands voted overwhelmingly to remain british here's david cameron consoling the argentinian president i want to raise it specifically with the argentine president and say it's important that everyone pays attention to this referendum so that was the right thing to do. again in britain over three hundred years of union could all end this september scotland's being allowed to vote on whether to leave the union the prime minister says it's up to scots to decide their future. yet for all the talk of self-determination crimea's referendum has been denounced as illegal by the g seven group of the world's biggest economies the us ascent fighter jets close to russia deploying them in poland in lithuania it's also preparing sanctions along with the e.u. so when it comes to self-determination or territorial integrity your guess is as
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good as anybody's in predicting which way international powers will side the biggest clue is whether it fits that own interests. in london. after a phone conversation barack obama and vladimir putin agreed to work together to resolve the ukraine crisis both leaders admitted the priority is to stabilize the country despite their different views on the situation there derek munro a contributor to the international think tank foreign policy in focus feels progress has a more overtake the war of words the war of words and relations between washington and moscow or normalize. well i think just like in any other crisis before between the u.s. and russia will use in china there is deafening going to be a lot of hoopla in the media saw so forth idiom of the day everybody's going to sit down and basically they're going to make need something or auditors. decide something or others as for us how far in from now on relations can go forward do a lot of business in corporate interests they're actually that are really much
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staking their their future on the good relations between the united states and russia so i think it's only temporary for an international audience it can be hard to pin down the facts when it comes to crimea especially when reports from the media massive military movements on the peninsula are covered. russian military helicopters and planes are entry in ukraine and russian forces have seized crimea's airports the u.s. intelligence community and nato are urgently trying to figure out what the russians may do next for a tank column was invading the province to russian troops storming ukrainian bases a flow of such reports have been appearing in the media since crimea made it clear it's loyalties were not with the interim government accused marina kosar ever of course. but was certainly the reverberates and with the notion of a massive russian invasion in crimea this week the self-proclaimed prime minister of ukraine writes the alarm over what he claimed were russian forces and his country in the russian bolts on the ground the russian tanks except to build into
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the twenty first century well that's what all screens like this one on c.n.n. have been showing yes those all russian tanks are right there could affect the location though because if they did they would see that it's actually four hundred fifty kilometers east of the ukrainian border and parts of russia's military drills but it's what about ukraine's well we went there to see if we can find any. well it wasn't easy i have to tell you but yes we had met with did find one german journalist mind you oxen riots or census this reports when i traveled to crimea i expected to find what i saw on western t.v. back home images of the russians or machine invading ukraine and a total protest by western politicians claiming an invasion was taking place right in front of our eyes i confess i did see one russian tank with my own eyes but this war machine has been here since the one nine hundred forty s.
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and didn't move ever since ok so no russian tanks but hold on a second there is talk of russian troops who are these people are they evil russian soldiers who have been flown in to capture crimea or at the very least sway crimean voters. our correspondents want to speak to them and find out who they truly are we are just people who feel it's our duty to protect our native city i'm from sevastopol myself spend my whole life here we maintain public order look out for any provocations and make sure nobody attacks journalists and the rest of the people but if the nerdist felt horrible i represent the self-defense town for company one of ten companies formed on february the twenty third in sin for up will be my commander and here base the commander of the crimean front that's public group which decided to act in these difficult times why do you think these are the russian military they are crimean i'm crimea myself. stapling
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must know that they are safe and protected and not by the military but by regular citizens like themselves ok i get to these guys are but white there's a whole russian military base there well yes russia is a black sea fleet is facing crimea under the open here and in fact it has been there for centuries under the terms of the lease and russia could actually send thousands of more but it hasn't and it's not a cheap deal either costing moscow ninety eight million dollars here. we just don't bring the press with what it's you see what's going on in ukraine people are being killed but if you come to civil stoppel you'll find peace and stability that's why we're here to ensure that. there's this false impression of war because of all the military personnel stationed here and of course it's being used to undermine the truth i know what kind of media war is being waged now that
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russia occupied this territory no it's nothing like that. well we tried really hard to find those russian scientists in crimea or at least heavily armed russian soldiers ots alas we failed but what we do know for a fact is that there is definitely strong support for becoming parts of russia but us to exactly how many people feel that way well that's what the popular vote is for marina call survivor artsy well of live updates on the matter in crimea and we're expecting the official results of the referendum any time our correspondents stationed in major cities on the peninsula bring you the latest on air and on our twitter feed also following developments across eastern ukraine and the capital kiev this map showing where we have boots on the ground keeping track of the events and we'll bring you more after a short break. quite often countries rich in natural resources are the poorest africa's a colony it's
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full picture of today's events no longer from around the globe. eighteen minutes past the hour addressing parliament during an unscheduled session ukraine's interim prime minister promised to hunt down all separatists take a listen great scott. ukraine will find all those responsible for instigating the separatism those who are trying to destroy ukraine's independence from the protection of russian troops will find them in a year or two years and put them on trial in ukraine in international courts and the earth will burn beneath their feet there will be no place on earth where they will feel safe and russia will not protect. our semi i've seen it also said that his height the great economic state ukraine needs to raise its military budget ten
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fold the move would see massive cuts to the country's social spending as ukraine's finances remain in dire straits with one hundred forty billion dollars in foreign debt. in the donetsk region civilian defense volunteers and say they managed to haul a large column of ukrainian military vehicles heading eastward by asking them politely ryan o'neal reporting. tensions remain high in the region on the border of russia and ukraine as. activists say they've managed to stop a column of military vehicles making its way switch now the activists say that they've stopped two columns of military vehicles one which was carrying soldiers and infantry combat vehicles and the other one traveling by rail which was carrying tanks loaded onto a train. you see children last night the donbass militias saw an army column approaching the city we saw about fifteen to twenty armored vehicles we stopped them in the commanders told us they were on their way to military drills we realize and they were heading towards the russian border we want peace not bloodshed
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between our nation this is so we politely asked them to turn back there were a couple of hours of negotiations but they agreed and left. there are also reports that ukrainian military vehicles have managed to make their way to the russian border the locals in these regions are being told this is just part of a military drill these reports of a military buildup taking place near the border of russia is only adding to possible concerns of provocation predictable consequences that can only add to the extremely tense situation that we already have in the east of this country graham phillips a british journalist based in ukraine claims he came across a formation of ukrainian military vehicles close to the crimean border and marisha talked to the soldiers about what the new government in kiev might have planned and this is what he said. then all the ones being pushed into this in fact the soldiers on the ukrainian side didn't give me any of that desire to war that war mongering same to me that you hear from the private sector and members of the border they've
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effectively been pushed into a situation by extremists by terrorist organizations and you have to look at the kiev government and say that this is really a government which has neo nazi elements to its core and you can blame crimea for not wanting to be a part of a system in a country which really wants to crush its own culture and another worrisome developments a leader of the nationalist group right sector has threatened to destroy a gas pipeline running from russia to europe through ukraine the presidential hopeful says he'll make good on his word if russian troops enter the country the group has become notorious for a violent guerrilla tactics throughout the unrest in the country and threats against non ukrainians living there. you. would do you. know one tells us when to bear arms and when not you wasn't given to us and you
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will take them away these clips including the group's promotional video are circulating online the right sector isn't the biggest faction in the former opposition but it was at the forefront of the uprising its members stormed and torch government buildings an attack on armed police they also consistently rejected concessions offered by the on a covert government when it was trying to calm the unrest now the right sector is having a larger impact on the streets of ukraine. galloway host of parties but nick says the west should recognize the dangers the group poses. have the means and capability easily to carry it out so the west must be wondering at least if they have any sense just what kind of a frankenstein monster have the created ukraine when they encourage done funded fifty dollars a head per day the people who overthrew the elected government destroyed the constitution set fire to the government buildings killed
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a policeman but most of all look rather thrilling in western chancery unless they had read the novel frankenstein right to the end because if they had they'd know that the monster but dr frankenstein created quickly got out of control that's why it's called a monster and this monstrous threat by the right sector is a very grave one for people in europe because at least a third of the european union's gas supply is coming from russia and if the pipelines are blown up then we won't have any and then we'll be in very serious trouble indeed. threats to blow up the pipeline come on the heels of an apparent attempt to sabotage a gas pumping station in crimea on saturday dozens of people who identify themselves as ukrainian border security forces allegedly tried to damage equipment at a station on the peninsula but crimea is so-called self-defense units did manage to
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prevent the attack it's not just crimea where people say they're on a happy with the interim leadership in kiev eastern ukraine seeing a new arrest people across those provinces have been holding anti-government protests for several weeks now a massive rally happened in done yet square people demanding the same choice that crimea is now have and demand and condemned the self declared government the city saw clashes between pro and anti-government forces thursday night one person left dead after that in nearby harkov thousands of protesters took to the streets carrying russian flags some of them occupying offices of far right parties on friday night two people were killed in this city in a shooting that some have blamed on right sector radicals also massive rallies elsewhere in ukraine in lugansk and. people of all ages taking to the streets expressing solidarity with crimea and carrying anti-fascist signs a reminder of our top story crimea and have been casting votes on their future status of their region at a referendum three quarters of the ballots now counted. luminary results suggest
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a much an overwhelming majority more than ninety five percent favor crimea's reunification with russia the referendum sparking condemnation from the west triggered after president bush was removed from power by a violent uprising in kiev in a phone call between president vladimir putin and president obama the two agreed that despite different assessments of ukraine's ongoing crisis it is crucial to find ways to stabilize the situation there washing that it does continue to consider sanctions against moscow stay with us here on r.t. as we keep bringing you the latest still to come though could the situation in crimea spark a cold war on a boycott takes a look in world so. we wanted to create a realistic movie represent life that would depicts life as it really is.
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cohen welcome to worlds apart residents of pioneer go to the polls today to choose a breach country they want to be a part of the final decision on the status of the financing of they'll most likely be made hundreds of miles away. and washington still reach an agreement in what has
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probably. being the most fiery huge political force majeure of the day came to discuss that i'm now joined by me to cheney the director of the carnegie moscow center mr training thank you very much for taking time to talk to us i just referred to the situation to the events in ukraine as a force majeure and in legal istic terms it means in an unexpected disruptive round that allows a party to aggregate a contract and it seems that throughout this dispute all sides involved in it. broke the rules that they've previously held so dearly do you agree with this assessment well i think it's certain break in continuity i think that this closes the books on the what i would call into a cold war period i think this is the end of the twenty five year period that started with the fall of the berlin wall and now we're exiting from it so it's hugely important. it has enormous consequences i don't think anyone planned it.
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but i believe that the actions of all the various parties collectively contributed to what we're seeing now but at the same time many of these actions have been quite contradictory because we know that russia has long been a defender a very avid founder of sovereignty and territorial integrity the west has long tried to promote and strengthen democratic institutions in this part of the world and it now seems that in ukraine everything has been turned upside down well i think in the end people have revealed one thing they they pursue their own interests the way they see those interests and i think that the west has closed its eyes on a few things the circumstances of the ukrainian revolution the revolutionaries or some of the revolutionaries themselves the nothing the russia closed the zone the principles that adhere to in the post cold war period or in the into cold war
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period if you look at both russian and western media they're full of conspiracy theories that for example in a putin concocted this whole instability to further his empirical aspirations and lay hands on crimea that the west through attention syria stablish yet another base in sebastopol and. i wonder if you believe that any of these sides could really plan or even anticipate what has already happened up until this point well i do not want to draw any direct lows but it's an it's an interesting insight anyway this year marks the centennial of the first world war the first world war was not planned it was the actions of various leaders monarchs presidents and others that contributed to the chain of events that led to the first world war and i would submit to you that this new cold war that's emerging i think is also the
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product of many actions not planned. the various earth as but collectively they contributed to this new situation of the international system at least in the your atlantic area i take it from your answer that you believe that the vans essentially to get on the life of their own but i want to reach of the sides whether it is russia or the west which one of them handled the situation in a more pragmatic way well frankly i think the last is prague matters and these are the ukraine sometime last year. i think it would have been more pragmatic for russia to let ukraine in the association agreement with the european union the consequences go through that he will. have its government removed. have no one helping them really in the west basically and then step forward as to say. no this was never done another pragmatic step would be to let the european union
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modernize ukraine pump money into ukraine make it more civilized make it a safer place to do business and then profit from it when i lose my job is going to have you know your grandchildren being getting hurt there is no yes but it's happening under conditions of a new cold war something like a new cold war between russia and the worst so i think that we're important the russians and ukrainians are one people this is not a problematic statement this is a statement of someone who believes in civilizational unity in. values that go beyond. pragmatists well that i think the other side meaning the west also believes in sound values that go beyond certain pragmatism and a certain you know boundaries of international law and you know i was not it was not criticism putin was i was describing not defending him either i'm just discussing the forward right there if we consider the actions by the west and you
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know this is the and the charge that roger put in has against they were asked that you know look at what you have done you had elections just around the corner instead you supported this unconstitutional change of power you indorse the forces that frankly you would never support in your own country what for that was the question that he had and he and his conference what for it depends on what segments you're looking at the west is essentially far more pragmatic than the russians are on the average but. i think that the problem with the west was that up to pretty late in the game european union did not know what it was signing up for this eastern partnership thing was a joke in many ways they just expect things to go mostly and have it all for the peanuts of the six hundred billion million euros the united states was thousands of miles away literally from what was happening in ukraine and those
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visits by politicians etc to them i done which were played up in russia were actually emerge you just. symbols you do not you do not put your money where your mouth is you just send out a few spears this is general a in all fairness it wasn't just you know a couple of visits to the central square of care there are also intercepted conversations there are also. new and also talking about. some of money being invested by the united states in propping the quote unquote ukrainian democracy so i think russia has good reasons to believe that the west was interfering a great deal in the ukraine affair but. what i would like to ask you about is not about western interference by russia suppose it noninterference because liberia putin you know all through the later half of last year was saying that you know
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it's up to the ukrainian people to decide we are not going to send our ministers there and it looks like. you know his strategy changed almost overnight what do you think was that sea change that sort of pushed him a stride into action well i think that in two thousand and thirteen putin. did two things he was i think everyone was interfering and ukraine i think russia was interfering more passively than the west the west was more active in its interference but that was whole interference in months. what russia did was the first to show the stick to the ukrainians in the form of sanctions and admonitions what will happen if you sign on the dotted line and then rolled out this aid package of fifteen billion dollars write a bunch of years exactly now i fully agree with you that russia's position changed virtually overnight and we can we know when it when it changed the night from the twenty first to the twenty second of february when the agreement between the young
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and the opposition with. european tours or witnesses whatever people say that they were very much on the side of the opposition i think that's that's a correct statement. that this agreement was scrapped within hours and then the people who stepped forward basically sent to mr joe the way to the kremlin that ukraine will not only walk away from russia it will be led by a very long russian leadership and this is what putin and this is what i think made him. shift gears in the most dramatic way and basically from being somewhat passive russia became hyperactive within hours and i think that the plan that putin set in motion on the twenty second of the brewery was the plan i think must have been prepared for the eventuality of those membership for ukraine i
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wonder if this type of thinking is this experience. would a fact right in a pretense thinking in the future because the way that some crime and officials describe it to me is that look we try to play by civilized western rules you know rules laid out by the west peaceful transition of power through democracy and we did our best but russia played by the rules of the west and only to see that the west would abandon those rules at the first opportunity isn't it something that could have fact. you know right i'm imprudence policies in the future and you know fosters this already existing distrust towards western policies in this part of the world well i think. we're in uncharted waters this is a new bout of. i call it cold war what i mean by that is that competition will far outweigh the cooperation between russia and the worst trust i don't i don't see any
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trust at this point between russia and the west none none at all whatsoever zero i think that the russians seen. actions in the crimea as unpredictable it saw the worst cheating the. game. but it over time the board and it put insist on the table this came as a surprise to a lot of people certainly came as a prize to me and i'm sure a lot of other people were surprised around the world so thing russia will be treated as a pretty unpredictable unit on the international scene the west will be seen as an enemy he read it to the enemy of russia. well we'll see what happens next now in putting these are in first on the table as you describe it putin may have lived up to the worst image of himself the image that is propagated in western media not only actually of himself but also fresh as this aggressive country and i think he tried really hard over the last couple of years to dispel this image he even said
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after the olympics that one of the reasons we wanted to have the games here in russia so that the world can see russia in a new light as an non-aggressive as a welcoming country and yet here he is you know threatening the use of force and you know living as i said to the worst image of russia do you think you had any other option to achieve russia's strategic objective could he. have done anything last than that to make sure that the west listens to russia's legitimate concerns here well i think it's a question that you should put to president putin. from a very much an outsider's view i would say that of course you after a certain point you do have options but after the president the there were two points of no return. one was when the president sought and received the authority to use force in ukraine that was one thing that the spilled a lot of. miss whatever
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a lot of hopes about russia so russia was back as people have been accustomed to viewing russia historically. and circle and basically he sanctioned the. new wording of the questions in the referendum that included. secession from ukraine and the unification with russia those were two points of no return how do you know that he actually function that because the decision to become president putin is the master of the game nothing this is something that cannot happen. without the president cannot happen at all but if he did game i'm sure he has some unpredictable you know cards on his sleeve i mean do you think you know make tomorrow i think now he cannot go on turning back will be betraying so many things could be showing that he's afraid of western sanctions telling that would mean he's
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no longer master of the game mr turner we have to take a very short break now but when we come back pundits in both russia and the west are united must send that assertions that crimea rejoining russia already a done deal but is it really so while that's coming up in a few moments here on worlds apart. the population of both to decide its legal right of self-determination to come to this is because of the western backed coup that is probably just. as we look let's try to beat this all of this is sideshow to undermine russia's with jimmy. it's that it's sort of the nato expansion i mean it's the north atlantic treaty alliance said last time i looked i didn't think that ukraine was very close to the
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welcome back to worlds apart the real discussing the referendum in crimea with the director of the carnegie moscow center mr training and just before we went to break you seem to suggest that you know moscow's control over crimea is already a fait accompli but i wonder if it's such a bad deal after all you know given what you mentioned the possibility of sanctions he also wrote about the prospect of the second cold war looming over us but if you take a historic perspective you have on the other side of the scales you know russia having control regaining control of the territory that is so central to russia's entire statehood not to mention its security so is it such a bad deal after all you know a couple of years of isolation on one side but on the other side having
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a territory that russia how for centuries well i don't think it would be correct just posing the question the way you posed it is a good deal good deal better or a bad deal i think it's a bad deal if you're talking in prague in pragmatic terms with we're no longer talking talking and pragmatic plans and in moscow the certainly not in the kremlin i think. the people in charge starting with president putin and thinking in terms of historic. reunification of part of the russian people with the rest of the russian people. and the pragmatic calculations so. it's not a good deal the deal that says the right is the right decision that's holding you still believe that that is not a very pragmatic approach on their side on the part of the russians i wonder if you know our partners in the west as putin described them have been so pragmatic and to
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that effect i would like to quote something that i. saw on carnegie center website one of the commentators said that this didn't have to be a zero sum game but somebody really wanted to be and if we are in a recall the very black and white approach that the european union to come to this issue in the beginning of the crisis you know either you're with us or you're with russia was that a pragmatic path a reasonable path to follow and i think it was a foolish approach. for the european union. a role that the european union didn't know with with what it was stepping into. when they offered the association agreement of the depraved trade agreement with ukraine without backing it up with tons of money why do you think they did it i mean are we really going to live thought that russian nature well they thought i think that you can
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you can buy security on the cheap you can really do that i think a country like ukraine has to be addressed more seriously than it actually was addressed in europe putin could've allowed the europeans to. to face up to their own bluff and step into the unknown and say. no no i think that it's different now ukraine will be supported will have to be supported by the west because. it's a new situation in which ukraine has become a tug of war between russia and the west. all eyes are on ukraine no one can afford to fail in ukraine to be defeated in your question so we'll see what happens well i heard the same sort of lines being being spoken with regards to
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libya with regards to syria and with regards to many other countries and obviously they're all very far away but it would be i guess a great tragedy for all of us to witness something like that happening in ukraine which i think actually could be possible and here i would like to refer to your own writing because you recently wrote in one of your recent articles that one of the most worrisome by products of the ukrainian revolution is the fact that there are now far more advanced weaponry in the hands of non-state actors in the ukraine than at any other point in its post soviet history and i think that's a direct result of western support of the opposition those far right groups were emboldened by the western support. sees arms about i wonder why would your of so nonchalant about that. in case of ukraine because ukraine is right on russia's borders but it's also right on european borders and when you have you know a bunch of guys running around with weapons it's not only
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a proliferation issue it is also a major security issue speaking about buying security on the cheap it's you know it could be pretty expensive you know it could be pretty expensive i agree. i think. there are many of people who. guilty for creating the situation that exists today you mentioned the far right parties the far right parties as we all know were. pretty much supported by the un called it should ministration in the early stages everyone is just another head of the dragons the same the same bad guy as as the rest of them as a result dragon was forced to behave in the now so. this was an exhilarating point the main point is that. it's pretty scary that you have many weapons and so many hands i think what they're trying to do now is is attempting to
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integrate those. formations that used to be the fighting force of the my done into the national guard and they're trying to get some measure of control over those people but to what extent will be successful we'll see so nothing good is come out of this i mean no one should be jubilant but the biggest security concern right now is that. we may be a shot or two away from a conflict with the ukrainian military force and well speaking of which just a couple of days ago a large mirror putin called for snap military drills on the border with ukraine are those exercises as far as i understand understand are ready over but russia denies having regular army in crimea i think what russian officials don't deny is that they have contacts with paramilitary forces on the ground in crimea and i wonder if
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russia isn't really falling behind here because those forces only appeared there after the events in kiev and if we take stock of what actually happened in kiev as you mentioned armed groups are not only with weapons but also with very extreme far right ideology people who would starve before probably. nothing to achieve their goals and we all heard about the possibility of them killing peaceful protesters for the sake of creating this media opera so you know i wonder if. it isn't really using old school matters here you know threatening the use of military force when what you're dealing with really is something far more. dangerous and far more difficult to control because if you have these groups who respond to no one i guess you can't really deal with with traditional military force well i think. you know you text will question.
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have you looked at those soldiers that took control of the airport while i haven't been to ground here is that you haven't seen the images do they look like self-defense force well. you know i think if this were all there as early years you know you may give no answer i will have to give you an answer served in the military for a long time they look to me like a very well disciplined very professional very serious force. no self-defense force no please list put this nonsense to one place what russia did i think was to engage in prevention to. to prevent the things that you were talking about and in order to do that you do not fool around with a self-defense force you do not fool around with the you know ragtag formation of russian speakers that you assemble in a couple of days and give them a couple of rifles and you know send to defend their peninsula no you send
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a very professional force you do that and they do the stuff that you want them to do they take control of the government buildings that they control of the air force of the airports they block the port of as a best of all they make sure that no one gets into and essentially what you're saying that whoever these forces really are they did the right thing because they know they did things according to plan and that was in my view a contingency plan it was not. in a couple of days' time and it's a military contingency that exists for all the great they were very careful to give it credit i mean given the i'm sure it was done brilliantly but not always a fashion and we also politically and strategically look at what happened in kiev over this course and. so far what we have seen increasingly. you said that putin changed his policy on ukraine dramatically the night of the twenty second the
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fervor you saw this thread that you're talking about you saw the. of ukraine being ruled by a very mentally and russian both russian domestically and russian geo politically forces and he decided that this is the this is the time for contingencies and he pressed the button and what happened did happen and then he received the authority to use military force anyway and ukraine to skeer to determine this is sheer deterrence you don't need to actually use military force in order to be able to use a political absolutely i guess what i'm driving at is that rather than being an act of aggression and unprovoked and rational aggression list discuss this let's let's say that aggression is something that is defined but aggression by the united states security nations security council which means that neither the united states nor russia can ever be branded an aggressor because the country in question will
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never agree to call itself an aggressor so call it something else call it an invasion call it whatever but that was an operation what i'm worried about frankly is that having performed an operation in crimea having performed it well. we still don't have a general strategy we don't have a war plan we have a play every game i sure i mean how do you have. when you're in didn't even expect that what is going to happen there are two months ago and can i am pretty you exactly what i just said i think all sides in this conflict well at this russia and the west would give a lot to sort of rewind the situation back a couple of months and you know take stock of what happened and try not to make some of the mistakes that each one of them made do you think there is any lesson larger geopolitical lesson that could be learned from this extraordinary situation extraordinary because it develops so rapidly and because it has it can potentially have such significant geopolitical consequences i would. see this the second world
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war happened because of the mistakes that were made. at the end of the first war and between the two wars. the second cold war is emerging because of the mistakes that were done at the end of the first cold war and during the into a cold war period right and those mistakes were made by both russia and the west some of the mistakes you would call them mistakes other things were unavoidable consequences of of just the west being the west russia being russia but certainly one of the big things that both sides failed to do was to find a proper way to include russia in the security community within the your atlantic included in such a way that it would feel comfortable within that system and others would feel
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comfortable about it and like in all international relations they can be you know side that's fully fully completely right and no said that's fully and completely wrong but there are always mistakes to be learnt but as they say history never repeats itself but it rather absolutely well and mr cheney and this is only have time for i thank you very much for telling part of michelle and our viewers please keep the conversation going on on twitter you tube and facebook pages and focus here again think way same time here one.
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crimea's authorities congratulate crowds as preliminary results show ninety five percent voting in favor of joining russia with three quarters of the ballots counted. even before the tallies were done both the white house and the e.u. announced they won't recognize crimea as a vote for self-determination despite acting as supporters for similar breakaway movements in the past. civilian activists claim a stop to ukrainian military convoy amid reports that kiev is sending troops eastward toward the border kiev says it's just for routine drills. and the right wing in ukraine shows it's in no mood for peace with one of its leaders a presidential candidate threatening to destroy a pipeline supplying russian guy.

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