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it's friday march twenty first time here and david in washington d.c. and you're watching r.t. america. a federal judge has ordered the f.b.i. to give a better explanation as to why it's refusing to release specific information to a graduate student looking into an alleged assassination plot mit graduate student ryan shapiro has been researching an alleged sniper plot to kill leaders of the houston based occupy movement shapiro submitted a freedom of information act request to the f.b.i. regarding previously redacted documents the f.b.i. claimed it was exempt from releasing the information and that's when shapiro decided to take the issue to court suing the f.b.i. for violating the freedom of information act in a ruling last week judge rosemary quiller of the u.s. district court for d.c. ordered the f.b.i. to explain with more detail why it claims that information is exempt so to talk about that and much more i was joined earlier by the attorney representing this case jeffrey light i first asked him to tell me about what his client knew before
the foyer requests and what he was seeking to find out. when ryan shapiro did the request he had already gotten some documents through related litigation on another foyer request that revealed occupy houston was being targeted by somebody or some organization to be a staff to have their leaders assassinated and the f.b.i. had written a memorandum about this it was heavily redacted and what ryan was seeking to do was to find out what was behind those reactions whether the f.b.i. was investigating the. sniper allegations the plot that they had uncovered or whether they were instead just aka. monitoring occupy houston itself and are there any theories at this point as to you know what this information could be
revealing i mean what what is being hidden here well the only thing we can know for certain from the f.b.i.'s response is that in redacting different parts of it they had to give the explanation as to which part of the law they were relying on to withhold it so we know that certain parts of the information are considered classified others would identify named individuals who might be responsible and still other parts of the f.b.i. said would reveal secret law enforcement techniques that are not known to the public. the court rejected to the that latter part that the f.b.i. had not in fact demonstrated that there was any law enforcement purpose behind this at all when i do want to ask you about that and i want to give the response the f.b.i. had which is that they have the right to shield information compiled for law enforcement purposes if disclosure would interfere with an investigation endanger life or cause
other types of harm so you were just talking about this i mean how were they claiming that exactly. they were claiming they have broadened. the power to investigate anybody or anything because the f.b.i. is a law enforcement organization so therefore by definition anything that they do is a law enforcement investigation which is pretty circular logic and the court held that. that's not good enough for the f.b.i. can't just use words like terrorism or a threat to national security without providing some specifics to back that up the court wouldn't just accept those terms and give the f.b.i. a blank check to withhold a anything just for that for go can those when we now know that that justification was just not enough of a response and so she's now said that she'll need extra explanation and she's ordering that be delivered to her by think april ninth but if again they sort of
provide this circular logic and it's insufficient in her opinion what's the next course of action well the f.b.i. also has the option to submit the documents themselves directly to the judge and allow the judge to determine whether they should be released looking at the on reductive versions herself right now all that the judge has to go on is what the f.b.i. is telling her the documents say and that clearly has not been sufficient it may be that the f.b.i. can put on the public record a lot more information about what the investigation was about if they feel they can they will submit that to the judge either way we should get a resolution to the case as to whether additional documents will be released and it would also shed potentially a lot of light on the situation just to find out what the f.b.i. his explanation is for why they can't explain anything further on the public record she did say that that information would be sealed what exactly does that mean if
the f.b.i. delivers to her the documents unredacted form that means that i will. able to see that we're making arguments it's just going to be between the f.b.i. and the judge to determine. whether the documents should be released sort of that impede the case in any way it's not an unusual thing to happen in freedom of information cases because obviously if they gave me the information there is no it in the lawsuit. so it's not unusual but it is makes it extremely difficult to achieve transparency when the adversary process is so frustrated well i mean speaking of that you know we just learned recently that the obama administration as. has sort of hit a new historic low when it comes to government transparency you know they've been censoring and denying a number of foyer requests that have been issued over the course of the obama administration can you just speak
a little bit more broadly to the difficulty citizens and journalists are experiencing when it comes to issuing these flare requests sure. a lot of federal agencies in particular the agencies doing intelligence and law enforcement work seem to think that they can be immune from foyer even though that's not what congress intended when they passed a law coming up with a variety of different legal tricks to try and get out of their obligations so things that this ins might encounter include very lengthy delays extraordinary fees that they might be charged to get the documents or agencies not even doing very much of a search to locate if the documents even exist and a lot of people don't know this but your client ryan shapiro is actually. he's known in the press as the most prolific foyer requester to the f.b.i. that's quite a title and i was wondering if you could shed some light on how he claimed that
title he didn't claim it the f.b.i. bestowed upon him but in one of his other lawsuits. involving the f.b.i. surveillance of animal rights activists mr shapiro had sued to get the f.b.i. to continue processing and releasing the information and they said that they couldn't do anything for the next seven years and they couldn't even explain on the public record why they couldn't do anything other than his dissertation project which is to investigate the. f.b.i. is use of national security rhetoric to marginalise animal rights group that dissertation itself is such a threat they had to submit a secret declaration to the court explaining why it was a threat and the public argument the arguments made on the public record they pointed out that he was such a prolific foyer requester has seven hundred forty requests and currently two
hundred of them are at issue in litigation he wouldn't have had to do all of this litigation this the f.b.i. has done its job and process the requests of the timely manner well i'm sure the f.b.i. knows his name very well anyhow thank you for weighing in attorney jeffrey light thank you and now we go to ukraine prime minister arseniy yatsenyuk signed a political elements of a trade pact with the european union today the thing is sure of the deal signal europe's solidarity with ukraine and it comes just as ukraine's crimea region officially becomes a part of russia party's policy leader has more. well the atmosphere has to be electric thousands of people who gathered in the capital crimean city have some for up all there was a magnificent fireworks display happening as i speak to you and every so often the crowd shouts russia russia been talking to people and really the message is one of great gratitude to russia for allowing them to be reunited with what they say is
their motherland their russian flags flying everywhere there are cars driving down the main road meeting this city grace great excitement here but not only here but also in sebastopol any moscow where there are fireworks displays on the go at the same time now this follows earlier on friday the russian president vladimir putin signing a treaty that had earlier been ratified by the upper house of the russian parliament all of us following a referendum held last sunday in which the majority of people here overwhelmingly voted in support of being reunited with russia that of course follows be coo that happened in kiev in which people here say illegitimate government came to power and many people have continuously speccing concern that this regime in kiev has extremist elements is linked had links with mia nazis and at the same time has fascists and leanings so while you have this need a celebration here in crimea the focus for the moment is also on the eastern ukraine way people there are increasingly anxious and afraid about this new regime
that's come to power in here. if there's one place in eastern ukraine that's not safe anymore it's the streets this man is afraid to show his face on camera he says he's been hunted by premade un forces. every day we're seeing reports that on the border there are men with military uniforms proof vests weapons and vehicles. a man receives a phone call to say right when this has been spotted in the city they're armed and looking for a fight we drive with him to a checkpoint. self defense one tears are keeping watch some armed vehicles shoulder is on their way this drive a stop to tell them he passed a suspicious vehicle a few kilometers back i'm afraid for my children and grandchildren it's something similar to murders and robberies we've seen in kenya could happen here. security is unraveling fast and people are starting to panic us she's been there have been
numerous cases of gideon's and is useless to rely on the bullies is a group of men and to lose your house the people who came from my gone as well as the security services are threatening anyone who doesn't share their views and it's hard to argue with men carrying guns but for many of these checkpoints are not enough more and more people in eastern ukraine are asking whether it's not time to pack up. that said i can't anymore i'm beginning to cry it's very sad for me it's very painful and it's one local probation activist say the husband has a wasted for his actions while she was forced to flee to russia with her children in fear for their lives. as a mother of three children i feared for their lives who received threats from the right sector they called us and wrote messages on social networks for security reasons i can't disclose where we are now the pain is turning to anger as more and
more people congregate here in the city square the list of signatures calling for with a random night in the year keeps growing this issue asian is dangerous the right wing has seized power and what's going to happen next isn't all. it's all leading to fears it might only be a matter of time before kids bloodbath is repeated here policy r.t. good mates eastern ukraine. well you know why has agreed to accept someone dhanam obey prisoners into the country the obama administration which is looking to close the detention center has been in talks with several countries about relocating inmates the south american country accepted the request by washington to take some prisoners with the president saying he would consider them refugees and there has been some speculation that in europe why has considered allowing in five inmates from guantanamo with the requirement that they stay in the country for at least two
years however u.s. officials say the final deal has yet to be made so the details are still really in the works at this point the u.s. has resettled forty three guantanamo detainees in seventeen countries since obama took office and released thirty eight others to their homelands obama began his first term with a pledge to close the prison but he says he was thwarted by congress which imposed restrictions on overseas transfers and a ban on transfer to the united states congress finally ease those restrictions in december and last week the state department said it expects significant progress in transferring the one hundred fifty four inmates that still remain. second amendment advocates are expressing anger at the bureau of alcohol tobacco and firearms after a raid on a store that sells gun parts in southern california agencies thousands of gun parts which can be used to build an a r fifteen rifle at home during the raid the a.t.f.
also took a list of more than five thousand customers who brought the gun parts since we bought the gun parts are teaser alone glendon has the story. it may look like a farm this is in fact not a fire aries armor in oceanside california doesn't sell guns but they do so all the parts needed to build a gun at home aires is also the target of an investigation by the bureau of alcohol tobacco and firearms the a.t.f. . four separate locations in san diego county were raided with a search warrant in hand agencies a plastic version of the eighty percent lower receiver which can be used to build a ar fifteen rifles business owner demetrius charisse claims the a.t.f. also took the names and records of more than five thousand customers are government overstepped their bounds and reaches into the private lives of the citizens in this country on a daily basis and everybody seems to be ok with this the a.t.f.
claims that classical or receivers are firearms and are being illegally sold this is an eighty percent receiver this is legal to sell here and could eventually be used to build an a r fifteen yet in that were taken by the a.t.f. are similar to this piece just a different material and a slightly different design they wanted us to turn over parts of our customer list and they wanted us to turn over specific products we didn't have any issues turning over the products was in a contested stage or anything like that but our customers privacy is very important to us i called the a.t.f. to request a statement but they have not responded customers are concerned that their rights are being infringed upon frank jones started shooting for hobby when he was only five years old i think they're just taking the names so they know who's buying them and i think that's wrong too you know i mean it's our right too. purchase these you know and build our weapons the way we want to build them and we're americans we have the right to bear arms our country was formed on the right to bear arms i mean and if we don't have that right then we're not american anymore b.t.s.
argues that is keeping thousands of a ar fifteen rifles with no serial numbers off the streets now the agency also has the names of thousands of people who bought the plastic gun parts we have a lot of customers who are very concerned with the privacy invasion that just happen to them as the government tries to keep closer track of gun sales in america aires armors is now in for a long legal battle with the a.t.f. . in oceanside california ramon galindo r t. the battle over a drug used in lethal injections is taken another twist here in the u.s. many states around the country have been having a hard time finding pentobarbital the main drug used in lethal injection cocktail the state of texas now says it has obtained a new batch of the drug but here's the catch the state will not say where they got it when pressed by the media a spokesman from the texas department of criminal justice said quote we are not
disclosing the identity of the pharmacy because of previous specific threats of serious physical harm made against businesses and their employees that have provided drugs used in the lethal injection process the company reportedly agreed to sell the drug to texas only if it could remain anonymous states around the u.s. have been struggling to find pentobarbital the drug is mainly produced by pharmacies in europe but they've stopped selling the drug to u.s. corrections agencies because they oppose the death penalty until obtaining its new supply from the unknown provider texas only had enough pentobarbital to continue carrying out executions through the end of march texas has three executions planned just this month and since one thousand nine hundred two the state has used lethal injections to execute five hundred ten people. still ahead here on our t.v. a father and daughter may soon face deportation the father received a notice with
a date for his removal from the u.s. more on his story after the break. plus what. exactly did you do that you know the price is the only industry specifically mention of the constitution. that's because a free and open for us is critical to our democracy for those. who are. in fact the single biggest through. so you see in our nation today is the corporate takeover of our government and our proximity we've been a hydrogen right hand full of trans national corporations that will profit by destroying what our founding fathers once built my job market it on this show we reveal the big picture of what's actually going all around the world we go beyond identifying the problem trucks rational debate real discussion political issues
things that are there but are you ready to join the movement then welcome the third . i was at the end of the site i think corporation kind of can. do i'm the bag all that all about money and other families that for politicians write the laws and regulations that. there is just too much is a tie. up. all right well a while back here on our t.v. we covered the story of brian rosello he was living in the u.s. illegally and last year was facing deportation and separation from his ten year old daughter his deportation was ultimately put on hold but just this week brian was notified that he and his daughter will officially be deported on tuesday parties
megan lopez takes a look at his story and the ongoing battle for others in the u.s. without legal documents. today is friday and saturday sunday it's been four days my minutes have been counted he entered the united states on foot after spending days crossing through the desert on april first after ten years of living in the u.s. brian rosello returned to el salvador ryan and his daughter kelly are being deported some one of us this last week ice told me i sparred me said they had good news for me and i thought it was because they were taking away my bracelet then i stoled me they had already purchased my tickets brian says immigration and customs enforcement agents gave him the option of leaving ten year old kelly behind and putting her up for adoption so she could continue living here in an effort to put off that decision brian filed for political asylum hoping it will delay his
departure that request is still pending. i'm going to feel sorry for this government for obama because truthfully i believe i would have voted for obama i believe but to this day he's disappointed me deportation numbers are down in the united states ice reports that just over three hundred sixty eight thousand people were deported in twenty thirteen which is a ten percent decrease from the previous year and a six year old low for the administration so far one point eight million immigrants have been deported under the obama administration ice officials report that eighty two percent of people deported from within the u.s. in two thousand and thirteen have been convicted of criminal offenses most were arrested for serious crimes twenty eight percent committed misdemeanors the executive director of the national day labor organizing network pablo all varadero warns that those numbers could be misleading in an interview with the huffington post he said quote it's easy for the administration to say that those deported fit
their priorities when this white house has practically made sneezing a criminal act for immigrants brian was charged with a misdemeanor back in. two thousand and twelve for a fight this much he admits he says it's a mistake that could cost him everything another i've never killed anyone i'm not a kidnapper i'm a father that fights for his daughter every day it's true i made a mistake and i'm sorry i'm sorry for my mistake i'm human and i make mistakes. with only a few days left before he was set to be deported brian is fighting one last time to continue living the american dream. in falls church virginia meghan lopez r.t. all right apparently protect and serve excuse me takes on a new meaning in hawaii police there are upset with state lawmakers because they say undercover officers need to be able to have sex with prostitutes lawmakers are
debating a bill that would crack down on prostitution part of that bill didn't provide an existing exemption allowing officers on duty to have sex with prostitutes during investigations after officers from the honolulu police department testified they needed the protection the bill was amended to include the exemption police say they need the legal protection to catch prostitutes in the act and critics say it's unnecessary and can further victimize sex workers most police departments have a strict no sex policy during undercover work so this special protection leaves many people wondering why cops are getting a get out of jail free card for breaking the law and before we go don't forget to tune in at nine pm for larry king now tonight's guest is the dog whisperer cesar are you lon here's a snippet of what's to come is saying mexicans are better with dogs that americans . are skinny but they don't have psychological problems though that america chunky
and i have a t.v. show. what dog do you have a boar i have yeah that's my right hand so it's a mexican in a pit bull teaching the world relationship well why do we fear pit bulls well with your dog bulls have killed the as true with many breeds have killed but the thing is because we don't know dogs obviously when one that when we enter into the more powerful ones we're not going to be able to how to deal with power yeah so we have aggression with all types of breeds but it's not the problem it's not that we have aggression with dogs the problems that we don't know dogs but bulls not born to grass their unborn aggressive they're super cute. thirteen at nine pm tonight here on our team america and that does it for now for more on the stories we covered go to youtube dot com slash r t america check out our website r t dot com slash usa and you can also follow me on twitter at mirror david.
believe the medical conspiracy theory researchers polled the bunch of people about whether or not they believed in six popular theories and forty nine percent of them agreed with that at least one of them ready to hear the theories they asked people about number one this cia deliberately infected large numbers of african americans with hiv under the guise of a hepatitis and i.q. lation program as in the government purposely gave black people a number to doctors and governments to one of accidental to even though they know the vaccines cause autism as in the government is knowingly creating psychological disorders in kids number three the f.d.a. is deliberately preventing the public from getting natural cures because of pressures from drug companies as in the government is purposely making sure we give all of our money to pharmaceuticals for subpar medicine number four health
officials know that cell phones cause cancer but are doing nothing to stop it because large corporations won't let them has and the government knows we're all getting cancer from our cell phones but doesn't care because money number five public water fluoridation is a secret way for chemical companies to dump dangerous byproducts into the environment as in the government is purposely poisoning us and number six the global dissemination of genetically modified foods by. monsanto is part of a secret program launched by the rockefeller and ford foundation to shrink the world's population as in the government is making sure we all eat crappy food so that there will be fewer people to deal with almost half of the people polled believe in at least one of those theories when the study came out some people in the media were all let all these stupid americans believing crazy crap but to me
this study reveals something else it reveals that half of the country is aware they can't trust their government and since the media and the government so obviously control the flow of information so tightly people are willing to believe the worst as long as it's not coming out of a politicians or talking heads mouth what kind of reality is that where people think their government is purposely poisoning. that's the american reality of paranoia today and i don't need a study to tell me that tonight let's talk about that by following me on twitter adds the resident. technology innovation all the developments around russia we know the future
covered. quite often in countries rich in natural resources are the poorest africa's a colony it's a colony of the big corporations it's a calling of someone's home leaders who are under the thumbs of the big corporations so they have to beg from the world bank development of social programs goes to pay back debts all countries were drowning under the amount of debt that they said and so every year they would borrow money. and they would use that same america's money to pay back oh that's. all that money really you know. the wages of debt. over there i marinated this is boom bust and these are some of the stories that
we're tracking for you today. first up has net neutrality finally met its match we're looking at the latest rumblings coming out of the world these specific weight media business world and what's going on there netflix c.e.o. says that he was forced to sign a deal that his company was not into so we're pointing fingers and where we'll let you know coming right up then we have professor steve keen on today's show feet that down with me to discuss and dodginess money for what isn't out of this money find out coming right up and at the end of the week and this means that you were the back day here on groom bust edward harrison i address your questions comments and certainly live on the show if you want to miss a moment and it all starts right now. to.
our lead story today net neutrality now in a blog post published yesterday. netflix official blog netflix c.e.o. reed hastings upon that without strong neutrality big piece can demand potentially escalating fees for the interconnection required to deliver high quality service because of their position in the market now these big piece can make these types of demands driving up costs and prices for everyone else now before we dive into all of this let's have a quick refresher on what exactly net neutrality is and then in tragedy is the principle that internet service providers or i asked peace like time warner of arisan and comcast should treat all data on the internet equally not discriminating or charging differently by user content site platform application type of attached equipment and modes of communication now in the us the focus of net neutrality is on fixed line operators. have been largely exempt no net neutrality proponents
describe an open internet as one in which you can usual internet connection for anything you wish wish no additional charge and with no restriction they call it closed internet a situation in which corporations can restrict what you see over that internet connection and charge for it which is exactly what comcast does and exactly what netflix paid them to do now in thursday's post he said that quote broadband companies should be required to connect their networks to major content providers such as netflix for free in that post mr hastings calls for rules to ensure that big broadband providers like comcast can charge companies like netflix a fee to connect directly to their networks this practice is known as appearing p.-e. r.-i n.-g. mr hastings acknowledged that netflix recently struck a paid period deal with comcast to improve service for netflix subscribers but he's seen argues that such a deal could potentially open the door for i was used to charge netflix and other
content providers escalating fees to reach consumers while those netflix and comcast of characterize the. payments as relatively small it's the principle of paid period that concerns netflix in the long term so here's the question know why sign the deal and then complain about it later well that's because hastings says the deal pretty much amounts to extortion and i think it's a clever strategy because of a shift do you want to do a deal than just say you had a gun to your head after you came to an agreement could be considered well questionable by some of your peers perhaps some consider a heroic but that is for you to decide. this days ago the bank of england the world's first central bank wrote an article that is one of the most talked about pieces in the policy wonk circles right now in
the article the bank made bold assertions like the act of lending creates deposits the reverse of the sequence typically described in textbooks pretty bold now the bank then went on to film two videos in its gold vaults explaining this very issue and some of the other issues it addressed economist steve kean was on it immediately and we were fortunate enough to get him on our show to explain exactly what the bank of england meant by telling us that loans create deposits and that the money multiplier is not an accurate description of how money is created take a look at what he had to say. let's see if i want to get right into the bank of england broker a big taboo telling everyone that the money you when i use is just a government i use now let me play a clip for you check this out. twenty pound note that you're talking about is an iou from the central bank. that's where the famous poem is the paid scription called. to day what's known as a paper money. a twenty pound note is worth twenty pounds precisely because
everybody believes that it will be accepted as a means of payment both today and in the future and for everyone to believe that it is important that the money maintains its value over time and it's difficult to counterfeit. what how can that be you tell me steve. well it's the it's the normal state of money this is the strange thing people believe that money is gold is money that's a very common belief around the world or that there's something so simple backing the money we use the reality is being that except when being here is of serious social breakdown when there wasn't a government backed currency the standard practice for most of humanity's history and three four thousand years is being that money is a promise to pay an iou from one party that other polities except that probably normally being the government so it's a common situation that you from the north already whose status is recognized by the entire community to community with which you deal is money and the bank of
england deciding this that's the reality so awesome it's a boo central banks have been trying to get a columnist to realize this for the last forty years david let me play you another clip quickly now this is from an earlier boom bust where edward harrison and i discussed the bank of england i promise to pay the bearer a quote on the bank money here and here take a look. now check this out on a ten pound note written right under the bank of england in big letters that reads i promise to pay the bearer on demand the sum of ten pounds ok if i was to write you an iou on a piece of paper i'd like just now if i got me pizza or something i would probably scribble down in the same exact more herds just to make it sound legitimate what is it actually i mean this is the scary thing for people with in terms of going away from the gold standard or something that's connected to it because basically. there's no intrinsic value you can think of it as a token almost says to have money is just a government i or you or a token what's to stop governments from just spending to their heart's content on
anything they want to buy or starting wars or taking over other countries by printing ious. well i mean this is happened in history as well as and the main. thing that stops governments doing that when you look at international trade is that the currency is only accepted within their own borders if they push the envelope. in their capacity to create that money then of course that has consequences in the value of its money with respect to other current cs and if they really go far too far then yes they can generate inflation as well but very very rarely is that done by governments the main culprit proposing francia much money to be created within the boundaries of a national financial system has been the private banks because it isn't just the government in crisis money this is the main message of the bank of england. video and the type of it companies that even though it's government money there are two ways that it can be created one by the government which tends to be responsible
much of its own and secondly by the state commercial banks which tend to be irresponsible the further they get away from a previous process when there are there are sponsible last time so as the bank itself says not you seven percent of the money in circulation is created by the commercial banks only three percent of those provided by the government. so what's the real issue with government spending if it's not about the government running out of money and defaulting basically isn't ability to form of government to officially corral resources by using citizens. yeah they see it's if they can get into fountains it's physical productive capacity even a colony but they don't normally do that they were there often little thought to pull one of the bounds of what the guy country actually needs because unfortunately conventional economists believe this myth that the scent think of a going to try to get rid of old the money is not an iou year they believe it's effectively
a some sort of commodity and what they've been arguing the conventional bad economy is that a government should not run a deficit government should always be running the services or the least a balanced budget the reality is it's like a bank that every year leans less money or takes a. money out of circulation and it puts into circulation because fundamentally the way the government acts with respect to the physical economy is a bit like a bank if you have a growth and what with the economy you actually need more money to support that rise and the commercial banks provided the government can as well by running a deficit but by focusing obsessing about this vision of money as a commodity and not money as a promise they ignore the fact the bank the banks are one of two forms that can create money the governments the other and often by the government and constraining its own spending it leads to people going and borrowing money from the private banks and encourages the profit banks to lend thought to much money and the real culprits of the in every major process with that it hasn't been the government
creating money for us the process it's going to commercial banks doing it and funding ponzi schemes and steve are you afraid that having the system not pay out money without constraints will lead if not to excessive government are you creation then to excessive private bank credit creation oh no that is a pretty good what i'm worried about is that we're always going to have broad banks wanted to lend more money than the system actually news for the simple reason that the more the private banks which is the very they create the money the more debt they create the more profit they can make so the real danger is. is not the government's the high which is known to be an incredibly diverse drain the most of it most of the history of the governments it's of the havior the commercial banks which by the by that say that money ability being there and by you and me accepting somebody transferring a deposit of their money from their account to your account the fact that the commercial banks can create money by creating the lions gives them and now that we
have as much as they still like doing it limited by their profitability they're limited by their capital they have to back their their lines which they can lose when somebody has learned. it's bad but they are actually capable of creating sambal money in the system needs when they finance asset bubbles like the sub for on all the dot com news before that and so on so the danger is what the commercial banks through and we can only really focus on that danger and control it if we had knowledge where the bank of england is acknowledging that money is of are you it's not a commodity. as it wiped out the banks the bank of england says the banks create money and here's a clip of it here check this out. it's great additional book money whenever they make a loan and while this is nothing new and sometimes the main way in which money is created it runs contrary to the view sometimes put forward the banks can only lend out deposits they already have if i loans credit pulls it's not the other way
around so do banks lend deposits. you know this is this is the incredibly frustrating thing for somebody who's standing on the outside of mansion economics trying to convince. students in the rest of the world and and mainstream economists the banks don't lend out deposits because if you if you if you have a look at the how that the banks function they've got assets and liabilities and the holes and saw that there are lot of deliveries they can transfer the data imagine if you went to a bank you know you knew you had ten thousand dollars there and you get there and you find it only got one thousand dollars during up the bank a sort of terribly sort of let no one thousand it was you know when it was somebody else that never happened but that's the conventional vision of what's going on what in fact happened somebody else wants a line from the bank the banks there's not a k. is nine thousand dollars which we put in your deposit account and on our asset side of eligible recall anon thousand on the day you are to us and that means that they
increase the amount of money in circulation without affecting your deposits at all in fact they increase the bulk of the votes in the economy by making that line. that was a macro economist professor steve keen. time now for a very quick break but stick around because when we return we're bringing you the best of the best from this past week plus edward harrison and i are tackling your viewer feedback or as we'd like to call it weekly a crude interests have kind of about a stock market but as we head to a quick break here are a look at some of your closing numbers of the bell please stick around.
it's friday and that means it's time for our best of the best segment now first up is david titus on why he's still bearish on u.s. equities after the run up in shares hint there's a little to do with austrian economics then we've got catherine austin fitts giving us her take on how the shift to a networked world has been financed by america's leadership it's not about shifting capital into a middle class household you won't want to miss that plus we've got internet retailers c.e.o. the big c.e.o. patrick byrne on why his company overstock dot com was the first major online
retailer to accept big corn as payment and we rounded all i would take longer tells us that an inverted yield curve in puerto rico is a signal that investors fear a default in the u.s. commonwealth take a look at the trade and put in verifying that you used to run as a horrid time since you left now since the market lows in two thousand and nine it lost over sixty percent here's the question in the face of so much reflation how can one be bearish at this time. well really what i believe is that very similar to what happened ninety six to ninety nine and from zero three to zero seven essentially our policy makers have put band-aids on you know by inflating you know equity markets in this case by it and zero three to zero seven period they cut interest rates to one percent they engender the housing bubble and the market went up five straight years but then it ended very badly in zero eight what happened in zero nine to thirteen is we've again got
a zero interest rates and we have nobody wants to buy all our treasuries so we have utilized quantitative easing in the fed since greece's balance sheet by four trillion dollars and this is. just yet that's going to and badly because i'm a believer in the austrian school of economics which really mirrors newton's law where every action nurse an equal and opposite reaction or the magnitude bloom magnitude the basts is dependent upon the excesses created during the prior boom and what we've done here quantitative easing is not the road to riches or argentina would have been one of the world's leaders and really their economies gone down you know nearly you know every decade for the last one hundred years experience fortunate is that the way. leadership in this country has financed the shift is basically
a shifting enormous capital out of middle class households and out of the sovereign governments federal state local i call it the financial couldn't because i think a lot of that lutheran errand was illegal so if you come to my blog you can read a post culture manch according to our i have an online to call to learn reading the aristocracy of star profits i think they they believe if they didn't globalize. ultimately america would be left behind and so they basically and this happened in europe today and they looked at their balance sheet and said you know we're not going to finance retirements we're going to take all the retirement capital and and instead build forward and that is unfortunately for the american middle class what is fair and if you're in the american middle class you know what you need to do is look at the shift and say ok there is opportunity in this shift i need to let go of the past and i need to trying and shift with the opportunity to coin a currency because many argue that it is not. well
a currency is something that is both a store of value in a medium of exchange bitcoin is absolutely a medium of exchange a great medium of exchange is a store of value i don't have any opinion on the long term value of bitcoin but i do there are those who say it lacks intrinsic value and to them i would say no they're really missing something it's it's such a better mousetrap when it comes to being a medium of exchange it is so much a better mousetrap that that does provide it in some sense of intrinsic value it's a better mousetrap now what that value is and such no one can say at the moment but it's really really don't have an opinion as bitcoin going to go up or down or sideways but i do know that it is limited in people like myself people like i know that you have kaiser and jim rogers and people like us like goal and the reason we like gold is not fetishistic li which is how the keynesians with the canes in six
accused is a feeling about gold it's not fetishistic it's the fact that gold is limited in supply will bitcoin shares that same virtue it's limited not by how much gold there is in the world but by the laws of mathematics and because it is limited i think it's probably a better long run bet. currency why the yield curve in puerto rico inverted what does that tell you. so someone did spit in the municipal market for decades said to me once the. smell is worse the closer to the. why there's there was a little more graphic the way it was. the idea is that the closer you are to the charity of a bond there's more risk the principal would be blown up and the longer out on the yield curve. curve it is the more time you would have to recover your principal and make up the interest payments some kind of default would incur so it's just
a risk it's a function of risk when bonds get really risky potentially explosive that the yield curve inverts like that on credit on bonds that are rated. that was boom bust the best of the best from this past week time now to see what interest we've accrued from here this week. it's time now for a segment we like to call a crude interest with the wonderful edward harrison thank you for being here as always now it's friday which means we put you the viewer into the driver's seat letting you steer the show with your questions comments and concerns all sent to us throughout the week via twitter you tube and facebook so let's dive right in our first comment comes from michael d. who writes quote in vesting in big going is a joke there will come
a day when every other basement teenager creates a new latest greatest crypto currency for their generation because nobody likes slurping up the leftovers of the previous generation most of all the imaginary currency will never have a store of value what's even more laughable is that all gold in the world of warcraft is probably worth more than all the big points combined nobody is running around trying to sell off into gold nor is. it listed on the stock exchange l.o.l. i'm a little confused as to what do you think of this not so bullish on big coin it seems like not at all we know it was interesting actually when we were talking to burn i don't know if it was in that clip that you put but at one point he. gets the bit coy he. back into yeah and i thought that was a really important point because basically the way that he has an on time retail online retail is doing he's not taking any currency so-called great risk whatsoever so basically it's a payment for you know one of the things that i've always been saying is that you
know big corn as a payment platform has validity especially to the degree that your counterparty is over which in this case you would trust your read to so to the degree that the. retailers using it in that way then it could be a positive i agree with that now do you think michael d. actually has a solid point i think we're coming to that conclusion that i don't think every kid is going to be in their basement making up a new crypto currency but i do think that there is some truth to what he's saying get out of it get back in your fear currency right away like patrick byrne does here he's talking about the parabolic move. because the fact that it looks like it could be a bubble and i think that it is a bubble and we're going to have to see things stabilize before it has any value store value i mean you're going to patch it burn store value medium of exchange green as a medium of exchange that's all that's going to increase over time store value it's still suspect in that level i think as government has said he's going to wait for
the two point zero right. now another remark is from shannon wilbur and shannon writes wage growth will only inflate the consumption it is always only a short term effect however i did enjoy that you didn't say we have a minimum wage problem minimum wage is miniscule and importance to wage increase working for years on end without increase in pay has always been a problem now i would agree that working for years on end without pay is a tremendous problem what do you think. i want to hear what you think of this particularly because you know what i've been seeing over the last week or two is basically that wages are very important terms of the overall economy because consumers drive the economy if you don't make money how are you to bust off except through accumulating debt and of course we see where that led us in the housing bubble so my feeling is is that spot on with regard to wage growth
being very important i agree with that completely and actually i think it goes back to the idea of shrink function which is my new favorite financial term you know that we heard that everything is shrinking down in size but you know the cost of staying the same which you could call wage increases or a net wage increase as you call. consumer price index increasing but not really you know it's an it's an interesting way to look at it and we could talk about it for a long time but i do agree with what shannon welborn had to say i think that strong so we like those comments came up then there is this from a viewer called catalyst great handle. good work i'm really modeled in thank you calculus you need to grow in her guest more because they sometimes speak in general islet generalities and also contradict themselves multan is a big boy you can take it too often the media allows guests to say whatever they want because the questions asked are soft a few hard questions are always good given the above again first and foremost thank you so much capitalist secondly and what are your thoughts on this mold in your view and really i know that you had some aggressive so. i think that was the first
time that i said to myself yeah there's some serious push but yeah i think also in the bitcoin thing you know. as he was involved in the big boy he knows that he has pushed but i think people like him who. well known in their industry who can really talk aggressively about what their beliefs are they like that they want to be pushed to the brain and if your convictions are got strong you should be able to push to that level and then man up which he did and we respect and like him for that as always now our final comment comes from gary schultz who writes and more b.s. to make america look at michigan state sales tax is just it's just that a state sales tax there is no requirement or even a reasonable expectation that any of the money collected should be sent back to turn around their thirty second thoughts and i think it's ridiculous. in the michigan has an agreement with the states with the municipalities and the cities
that they're going to give the money they didn't do it in the in their promise area in the simple news of it thank you as always that's all the time for now but you can see all segments featured in today's show on you tube you tube you tube dot com slash mumbai started a slowdown now. we also love hearing from you so please check out our facebook page at facebook dot com slash going by starting can also tweet us at edward any from all of us here above thanks for watching the next time but i believe. i am. a society. big corporation kind of can. do i'm trying to get all that all about money and i'm actually
larry king now sees him on the dog whisperer gives out his best tips for people whose patience people don't follow through his orders that he will write middle of the old as never the doll you know opens up about overcoming his own struggles i personally feel they when it was not my time who you know even if i'd throw took all those pills i was not able to kill myself i really wanted to and it was not my time and solve some of our staffers biggest dog dilemmas all next on larry king now . well who are he now sees him on as our special guest best known as the dog whisperer of it we're now on dog behavior expert and new york times best selling
author as more than twenty five years of experience he's one of the most sought after authorities in the field of dog we have little dates and his new series on national geographic wild's is cesar nine one one later in the show we'll talk was all of our staff members about their dogs. talk about your new show what bases what's the concept of season so they're going to merge is it called to you what you know if you ever find out that there was no longer it was going to air people start writing letters and e-mails and so pretty much was born. nine one one call the everybody's desperate of help but most of the time the letters were not from the owners were from what we're calling the whistleblowers neighbors workers family members they say no no no my family or my this person with a dog is in the nile and is going to kill somebody and you know it's a really severe cases that we work with so that's how it's actually how i was born
so there are no more than one foot in the world leaders there are thirty community driven yes give me an example of some emergency whether one of the finest and the season is at a restaurant owner a great guy we will become super good friends and he will come with his three multics to his restaurant and multis what attack everybody so that people will leave the restaurant and so now the waiters are losing their tips and say whoa who cares you know just it's just just money you know given the food and but they're losing money and so the waitresses actually does the one they call me his wife and everybody else because they were losing business you know so that was a funny thing can every dog be rehabilitated dogs yes people know it almost the time people don't want to put the effort that is required for for a dog to achieve harmony and balance remember dogs don't care about material things you know what they care is about achieving harmony in balance with you before that it requires investment of time exercise discipline then affection one episode
neighbors encourage a woman to put her dog down because the dog showed aggression even after working with mobile trainers what did you do with that well most trainers focus on the dog i focus on the person and you're going to see in this and the show that we are definitely is more people train. in the rehabilitation of the perception the people when a dog attacks them and the fear that they develop trainers never addressed and so that's why i train people and rehabilitate dogs so i train them to see what they're doing wrong everybody focus on what the dogs went wrong for the dog can't speak and say wait a minute what about what the human is doing nobody is addressing the human so that's pretty much what where i want to do those are the insecurity of course they're actually become very insecure when they live with someone who doesn't know what he's doing right so the they don't feel safe and that's actually dog lovers are very common in the dog lover world because they love dogs it doesn't mean they know dog so a person with a little dog is walking in the street and they see
a rottweiler a pit bull what they do with a little dog is they lift them up and then they walk away even though the road one of the people with nothing to do with them is just automatically the thing because it's a rottweiler pit was going to kill the little dog even though the little dog is the one is doing the behavior of aggression you why is the little dog doing that because little dogs get away with a lot of ins you know and people don't really practice leadership of our discipline with them. versus people who own a rottweiler of his children are good with doors or most of my home to my youngest son just the dog's owner yeah well yes because they're not trying to you know rationalize anything or just this is what we're doing this is what we're not doing and so it's a very matter of fact relationship you know grown ups are the one they're thing what is it the him a lot of people say what is the dog doing is you know why is he doing it so they're trying to rationalize their wise shows cesar nine one one the national geo wilds channel good channel some of our staff members have questions for you check this
one out i says are my names trevor i am an editor at or r t v and this is my dog hunter. and he's a little too obsessed with his ball if we don't have a value because we just know the lingo our pockets of the things we have want to we're keeping it from him. helping or some way we can tell him down his obsession with the ball but still keep him interested in playing fast because he is a great way to exercise him in the morning and i. will. work a show three things rules boundaries limitations obsession is directly created by the lack of limits so says since we have him here you have a ball. so here is already telling you how the feeling is going to show you. bring him over here so what he have to learn first is just to give a space to the ball the touch by the way the touch that i do is just to snap the brain out of it because most of the time what people do is they do this they hide the ball and so the dogs still focus on it so that doesn't end the exercise they
don't have to learn to actually bust. can you do this they're better so this is the area you have to learn just to leave the ball alone he's still not completely relax but eventually gets to the point where the dog forgets about the ball and that's how the exercise and normally what happens is people give the ball and their reward the state of mind so the brain never learn to relax in front of the ball so the ball have to represent two things excitement and relaxation in the same way yes that was great well you have to it's the relaxation takes a little. little longer. another thing never pull the ball away from the dog's mouth he will release it most people where they do it leave it leave it drop it and then they start pulling it so that what it creates it's actually creates a resistance of a dog so if you just hold it there. see the little girl cesar milan his new show is season nine one one on national geo wilds great pleasure with the weather this is
being with you and dogs begin i were up on a farm and sing along with hugo in my grandfather always say never work against mother nature always gain their trust their respect and they're going to give you a beautiful you've called loyalty so i grew up with a philosophy and we had chickens we know we have all the animals there were no more having a farm when our when we moved to the city i start watching last year in tintin and that's when i say i'm going to go to america so i can learn from americans and then come back to mexico and open my own dog psychology center of my own dog training center but once i came to america i realize most people didn't know how to work a dog off leash everybody has a leash on a dog you know and that's when i start walking dogs for people i don't i don't know i was going to open a dog psychology center you know they start calling me the mexican guy who can walk apart all the whisperers because i was walking a pack of dogs and they say it was
a mexican guy but it sounds racist so they were so let's just call him sunday now is in there and then the horse whisperer came out and he's like a dog whisperer so i was walking forty dogs of leash pit bulls and rottweilers from inglewood to south central. i didn't know it was illegal to walk dogs off leash and i just call the borg awfully awfully she exits all i know american people don't put a leash at least not where i'm from you know it's out of leash so that's what i did and that's how that's how this thing was developed well you're proof of the american dream over did you ever have a dog attack you of the time really yeah i work with dogs who have developed what people call aggression you know obviously they don't respect people into myspace and so became my expertise not to work with the guys who attacked kill a dog or almost injure a human is the bigger the dog the worse the fear for me for most people is the
bigger obviously a most people can deal with a bite of a chihuahua. but when it comes to larger breed and then people become afraid of it especially if it's two of them and it's a pack attack was the dog psychology the dogs like i was in there's a place where we return the nature of the dog back to normal where he becomes social we know those are so show but then they become antisocial from the lack of exposure from the lack of fulfillment you know most dogs on most people have a big backyard they say well i have a big backyard and that should be enough for my dog but what their own realizes the dog feels contain and so that feeling of can being contained create creates this depression of this frustration and so when a dog's been a predator or the easiest way for release frustration of depression is a bite that's the easiest way for them to really release an energy you believe you silly for dogs yes they are yes i am a forty three christian i felt that our. need to be
a place where humans can learn how to be in a coffee shop so we build in a coffee shop people is there any breed the drive you nuts. on there all the old lead that is the hardest to train or deal with i'll say that the hardest thing to train is a human there is a stubborn you know and the nile humans who are in the nile you can't really get through their frame of mind you know but i don't think a dog has the desire of not be out here to build touch touch heating is different because hearing for me is more out of frustration so when if a dog is going to go off that a chicken or a cat or whatever if i touch is just to snap model them is like when people panic and you know the owners of the dog wakefulness they get my house they put the dog's nose in that it does an old fashioned thing rather well it doesn't really make sense for the dog it doesn't it doesn't really work you know it's not a general way to address the situation is best to have a structure that's potty training you know as when they're smart breeds and dumb
breeds. i don't think i had been logging. i think it's more disability they can do a border collie versus you know king cavalier so one can actually do some type of activities that appear smart and then the other one but one thing a they have in common is they believe it to love the ability you know then condition of their own. so you have that's right you can see that kink of earlier love less than a border collie editor alex logan submitted this question for you about his dog talk. about senator larry king this. is ok he's a true measure of intermix with a lot of energy a lot of exercise but usually wears down his pads sometimes bleeding when we exercise while during tests for exercise or for taking care of. protect the hospital. so very kind thing right but those the great thing about america is we create bullets for dogs you know and that's something that you don't see in mexico
good for dogs so that's easier to take care of it your boots yes special boots they were made actually. for the snow you know because dogs are good for us and for them paws over there but then they brought it to the city and us actually people in vegas use it a lot because they get so hot they can't walk them you saying mexicans are better with dogs that americans though also make or skinny but they don't have psychological problems dogs in america chunky and i have a t.v. show. what dog do you have a boar i have a yeah that's my right hand so it's a mexican and a pitbull teaching the world relationship well why do we fear pit bulls well we fear dog bowls have killed the as true with many breeds have killed but the thing is because we don't know dogs obviously when one when we enter into the more powerful ones we're not going to be able to how to deal with power yeah so a we have aggression with all types of breeds but it's not the problem it's not
that we have aggression with dogs the problems that we don't know dogs but bulls not born aggressive their unborn aggressive they're super cute my old dear friend the late lenny bruce used to tell a joke about doberman pinschers their wonderful job of pitches you read them you train them you race and you get them when they're little babies and eight years old a kid. says it will talk about the price of fame after this. technology innovation all the developments around russia. the future covered. your friend post a photo from a vacation you can't. call it different. the boss repeats the same old joke of course you like. your ex-girlfriend still tense tear jerking poetry keep count nora. we
that was sees him on his new show is national geographic wild sees a nine one one what's the biggest mistake made when you're training a dog people is patience people don't follow through. people are not consistent. people are those going to be all right and then the dog is never the dog you know a dog still can't read a book you know and can you know you can get lucky so they can get out and come back when they're tired and so they find we have to put the responsibility on the human you become a t.v. star what's been the you paid a price for fame he's had some personal struggles you were on our show we did on suicide ones who tried to calm yourself yeah i felt a loser a field like a failure and that took me to that spiral of not being needed around earth anymore you know so that you beat that. well i personally feel they when it was now my time
you know even if i throw took all those pills i was not able to kill myself i really wanted to and it was not my time and it was not my target of those three years ago three years as soon yeah three years children they have a tough time with that we all did we all did the way the worst came. to be. to be invited into it it was in it wasn't a very friendly want you back with your children oh yes yes yes the way they're trouble there we all we all had a really unstable moment at that time we don't know how to ever get that feeling again. the feeling of suicide now now i'm not anymore i was. it was a very specific feeling that i got when i when i wanted to the son of the pressure was event it was the event of being feeling neglected you know rejected by the pack for that's what i call it you know the illusion of only one successful road and the standards of of the world yes the others were your books in you know i made
a little bit of money which i lost all of it in and so i started all over the only good thing about this time is i speak english and i have papers. is working with dogs therapeutic feel absolutely nothing better than because they live in the moment they really don't care what happened in the past they don't care about what's going to happen in the future they really help you to focus on what's important at that time and truly enjoy helping the dog stay alive you know because i work with dogs who people want to euthanize they want to kill and there are there are the aggressive ones the label that way and so for me i don't see that i see the dog in the least understood ever putting the dog. what if is suffering no you know my my dog daddy i have to do that because he had cancer obviously i did i did said to the doctor you know put him down because he's suffering but if it's a psychological problem i don't think it's an idea to try it you would know better
the dogs communicate with each other yeah. i mean do things like. do you think the polling interval stories we or what do you think last story now like caesar just went to see larry no not that kind of story they just go. how you feel you know what do you want that you want that the you want to play with is you know you want to degrade here you know you want to see the horse yeah that they have very in the moment i mean you can see that if you go to a dog but you can see the communication he knows and when somebody dies that's all the dog feels remorse what the dogs do feel the last specially if there were claws you know but if it were not close they were just roommate you know nobody meant to hear that famous story in japan of the dog or the statue of the dog at the train station i witnessed that with my grandfather grandfather got that hundred five and
his dog just went to the grave right then as they say you know story as to it's true and so the big feel of themselves the dog takes it feels the emotion of wars and there's that loyalty you know that they owe to that person we have another question from one of our staffers. this is wrong jason says pepper i adopted her last year she's about four years old the rescue group found her living on the street she just obvious she's a pretty easy going dog but i have two issues with her that i was hoping you could help me out with one she has a bit of separation anxiety so whenever i'm not around she kind of runs around looking for me and whines really manic that way the second issue i'm having with her is her dog aggression she's pretty friendly with people but i never know what kind of dogs the sucker officers are walking up the street for her back will stand straight up and should start growing and never know she's going to play with a dog or attack someone if you help me figure out the switches ok jason is here with you know that what i saw there is not aggression as is
a dog that actually has. their boundaries you know how long many dogs are very overwhelming you know and so for a dog that is a little unsure about it all much more calm or much more polite and then they feel overwhelmed but also they do something that does not aggression so what do you do in a sense a situation like that years later well. does one way does does the dog. way you know because the dogs are saying look slow down give me space right right yeah and we do that human to human you know if we don't know each other we don't just want to be people in the myspace but there is this separation and the way we have to practice that is you have to do it in in a room like this where you actually ask the dog to stay in a corner. on her bed or whatever and then you walk away or you're in the kitchen or whatever and she have to stay there most people what they do is allow the dog to follow them all over the house and then when they're when they go when they go to work they say baba but the dog is right there by the door then they close the door
that's how they develop the separation inside because nobody told them there was going to be a separation end or. some and other worse the human have to practice stay and then the human does his his ritual that he does in the morning and then he goes away you capable of doing things oh yeah you know if it were you should be. with me . thank you take a long. do you think you changed. a lot i mean i'm a better dad it wise their daddy which is after all what i want to be for my kids you discovered by will smith the news wife yeah well helped a lot you know they helped me a lot of data particularly she actually hired teachers like to learn english and that was a blessing from from work with hilary duff scarlett johansson nicolas cage perry the bo how him and. ever man this what is this is i'm on foundation my focus in
helping america more than anything is education so i created a curriculum we drilled university of myself that we call my degrees and we give this education to preschoolers in kindergarten so they learn how to be with a dog you know because in that age they don't know what rudd wyler from a from a jack russell they're all dogs so they actually have a perfect perception to learn about how to be would a dog how to read a dog and so at the same time also creating campaigns in spain or campaigns because america we kill four to five million dogs a year in this is all taxpayer money right it takes one hundred dollars to euthanize each dog so you do the math we spend a lot of money taxpayer money spent in spent on killing dogs so that's another thing you know spain recompense and then rescue rehabilitation and adoption where we are some social media questions valley girl on instagram my friend's dog is absolutely adorable and lovable however he has a pretty severe chewing every chews on walls carpet corners of the kitchen cabinets and while they're outside or on watch the picture of anything and everything in
this wealth she's taken the training nothing seems to work training a dog is not really going to solve the problems understanding what the needs of the dogs are definitely dogs definitely will benefit with agility redirecting the energy into something positive you know teaching what do you do learning to read to you and well the chewing is an expression of a dog saying bore right the dog is nobody's fool feeling is need nobody's understanding them. so they're going to go and release that frustration and for knitters or or in tennis shoes or things like that but the right thing to do is not to train the dog sit down stay come heel that's what most people do is to do a delivery is to do search and rescue is to take them swimming and things like that more larger on instagram are there any other t.v. series or shows you'd love to be a part of or you've got enough on your plate right yeah like to do scarface. live there was
a lot of google wants to know what diseases towards on the westminster dog show allowing mixed breeds in the agility cause love it i love yeah because you get to see that all athletic you know they're all at least in and has nothing to do with the breed has to do with the capability you know i think we evolve you know back then it was certain raising only in sports and now everybody can do it so it's pretty much we finally evolving with us you know it's all dogs have a chance to compete regardless if they're not peers or on show to watch i love it you know when it is here it was very cute yeah i like to see this the spirit of a dog of we were going to show the game called if you only knew just through some question or your favorite place to travel to costa rica biggest regret his regret none what animal would you like to work with other than dog elephants or because i challenge you you know is it just you've got to stay calm you know you've got a different understand confidence and
a smart why i think everybody says that i have never met while i work with one i said to give a bath and australia to want but yeah i think i will grow a lot with that most challenging dog you work with challenge holly a dog a bit made him into the hospital which was a labrador by the way really. biggest bird. splurge what have you spent money on. i spent a lot of money at the ranch. and a tractor a valuable lesson you learned and braise uncertainty good luck person you most look up to my grandfather most memorable moment the birth of my kids biggest pet peeve my nails long. what would you say is your biggest for. i think. i like things perfect. married to one anyway.
if you weren't a dog behavior specialist what would you be i would love to work. like planting trees and. really anything with nature yeah what do you think about cats i think they're special there's not much to do with them that was not kept parks. why there's no cat for the love in the tree the whole day going to have fun with them are there these social now they're just special. because three when they marry the great dog rover and rider. always hated cats until he picked up a stray cat one day brought it home and loved this cat yeah and this cat was also affectionate yeah i've never seen that life yeah well i have i have a llama i have about whores that torre is ten chickens to come in. and big some twenty dogs. one hundred fish they come when you feed your dog get along with
what's up we all i'm a big martin and this is great in the set so for the past few months the attention of environmental activists had almost entirely been focused on the keystone x.l. oil pipeline rightfully so as a new report from the carbon tracker initiative concludes that keystone could raise greenhouse gas emissions by five gigatons by the year two thousand and fifty while the squabble over keystone continues a new report from think progress reminds us all that multiple other major pipelines have been proposed approved or are currently undergoing construction and get this many of these pipelines that run across canada and the west carry the same tar
sands crude oil that is the subject of so much controversy with keystone furthermore a few of these pipelines would actually carry even more oil than keystone if you count the connections the pipelines are already in place perhaps most concerning is the energy east pipeline which could carry one point one million barrels of oil from alberta to canada's east coast every single day as almost a quarter million more barrels than keystone in the u.s. other pipelines are expanding or undergoing construction such as their alberta clipper pipeline which will carry as many as five hundred seventy thousand barrels a day. there was constant or flanagan south which will transport six hundred thousand barrels per day through illinois missouri and oklahoma so while we must continue to pressure the white house to not approve the catastrophic project that is keystone x.l. don't think about the oil industry as a mass expansion already happening right under our noses and let's break the set.
from corruption in the ranks to straight up police brutality cops overstepping their authority is an issue that every country in the world deals with as we can montréal canada nearly three hundred people were arrested during what police are calling an illegal demonstration ironically enough the protests happen to be against police brutality has actually been held annually in montreal for the last eighteen years according to live tweets from the event the arrests were made within minutes of the protest and all two hundred eighty people detained received a six hundred dollars. take it however this has been the case for the last two decades protesters continue to risk arrest in an effort to change a system they describe as discriminatory against minorities and the poor but on the u.s. where why and police officers are urging state lawmakers to not do away with a state law that allows cops to get this have sex with prostitutes as undercover officers are maintaining that they must be allowed this legal protection order to
catch sex workers in the act i guess they're just tired of using handcuffs just for arrests these days moving back to the mainland or los angeles in the city of high speed chases and daily instances of police misconduct the l.a.p.d. has just added a new toy to their lineup of cruisers and it's in the form of a lamborghini to hold her head i don't know how to say that word a one hundred eighty thousand dollar car the department however said that the luxury car will not be used for any official police business no the new ride was actually a charity donation to the department and is only expected to be used for special events and recruitment great i can't wait for the media to jump on the story of justin bieber drag racing the l.a.p.d. is a new lambeau but while the l.a.p.d. high profile attempts to glam up the police force may seem laughable the department's history of police misconduct isn't a laughing matter especially considering that this month marks the anniversary of the one thousand nine hundred two l.a. riots which were sparked after a handful of officers were acquitted in the beating of rodney king and if you think
we've really come a long way on the race wars in the last twenty two years think again according to a recent study by the journal for personality and social psychology majority of police officers actually view american african-american children as less innocent than their caucasian counterparts the study's author. the research finds that quote black boys can be seen as responsible for their actions at age ten at an age i'm sorry or white boys still benefit from the assumption that children are centrally innocent and while these findings are hardly surprising considering the massive racial disparity in the u.s. criminal justice system the research paints an alarming portrait of how hard it can be to live in america if you're a young black male but amidst all the bad news regarding police brutality and racial profiling there's at least one positive news story coming out of all of this illinois supreme court just trucking down a law that once banned among other things the audio recording of police arguing
that the law criminalizes a wide range of innocent conduct and really recording an arrest provides an objective account for all parties involved so this is certainly a good move now don't get me wrong police officers are an important part of our society we give them authority to make arrests and pay them to keep us safe in fact they often put their lives on the line to do so but when that authority is used to silence free speech crush dissent and single out minorities based on preconceived prejudices that's when it's time demand to demand accountability. on the show i'd like to future grassroots activists and artists that have politically or socially conscious messages to bring to the table a lot of these voices you'll never hear on t.v. because radical thought is marginalize mainstream which brings me to jamie dunmore is a young spoken word poet from england who's viral online poetry videos caught my eye
his poem my call for humanity and evokes a call to action for people everywhere to tap in to what it means to be human and like the concept of peace so much that i asked jamie to come on and perform it for you. so here i am standing alone in the open sea with a message hoping to repair what's broken nature's struggling. humanity is not on track we've got our heads in the sand and i pride intact we seek fulfillment through wealth but do we achieve it we want prosperity through consumerism is it worth it how we actually found freedom or have we lost it because all we do is follow a system and never really challenge it can you relate to the always the will to blind to see our always seek the truth but kalman peers thought of me i saw a different perspective and struggled by the hour see i knew ignorance was bliss but knowledge could give me power so now i call for humanity not just for one
nation i'm opposing separation and standing up to segregation whether religious or atheist in essence with the same stereotypes a man made and it was man who created the game but we actually ready to accept this and wake up can we put our naivety on the line or are we always going to collide and we ready to make a difference do we venture into the unknown or do we stay not comfort zones and keep on taking the easy road because it's see it ships the safest it shore but no that's not what ships were made for so ask yourself this why you really here you may find that deep but my question really is sincere for my generation we misled as a youth do we rub off onto purpose due to false misleading truth we prone to propaganda we prone to being information and we talk to judge each other based on religion sex race culture class nation the list goes on. serous tunder start improving and it's time to start speakin because resources are
lower in and poverty's increase in weed out cities to get larger buildings to get taller but trees to get shorter and fall is to get smaller we're an ingenious species we could easily change everything but were made to think different due to decades of conditioning we conformed to education to confirm our own security yes a biased institution that makes wisdom whole obscurity is actually correct and does actually judge intelligence or is it just listening to our elders and improving our obedience. of possessions an illusion of worth we tricked into thinking are we trying to buy wholeness and are we trying to buy meaning to they always give joy they distract us from reality they determine our identity into the morality i mean what are our goals this really isn't a joke can happiness be superficial and i've seen a hoax to relive for the vong things while still white things choke is mainstream t.v. to jail can it dictate our truncheons does it actually bring us together or does it separate us into functions we categories each other virus social hierarchy the
status is made by humans so who really are we it's ego destroying eco are the real problems discoveries do we really know the truth or does the society feed us lies we ask if in the voids and has money hold any true weight could we drop our precious comforts to bring you up on it states it really is time to stop living our lives in shells because doing nothing for others is the undoing of us selves we're all from the same source so let's see if what it's worth we only have one home and that home is planet earth and your poetry and talk about needing a seek out information in a world kind of a web of lies what is there a particular moment for you when you realize that the government and media are lying to us. i guess there was no specific time in my life that really made me question things and it kind of happened over a long period of time. it was mainly when i was in education in school. question in all thoughts of figures such as you know shooters and teachers and stuff i really
question where they got their motives from and how they were teaching this and i don't know i guess that led me on to a lot of introspection in the sense that and that's what really made me question entirely walkers on this world mainly just what we've been fed you know so i feel like the government and the media portrays this false sense of reality in a lot of ways and there's a theme also that calls into question kind of consumerism and you're kind of urging people can we ever come away from consumers and why do you feel passionately about the need that i believe consumerism is i believe it's ok as long as you don't take it as a priority you know i believe materialism is ok as long as it's not our o.t. and i think the problem of consumerism is the kind of makes us forget that we're human beings most of the time we saw gives us labels and false identities that takes us away from our true nature and us i guess that's why i'm really trying to challenge or make people go but i will find a city that says that simplicity rather than focusing on materialism you know and things aren't necessarily not to all from
a human perspective you know you're from the u.k. a close u.s. ally to our war machine they're going to be partners in crime there. what what how do you feel about that partnership and kind of this overly militarized union of all these western powers well you know i like to see the world from the perspective as if i'm an alien you know what i don't like to see is if. a human being living in a certain country i like to see everybody in the human race as my family. say in the you know british citizens my allies americans my allies you know i see i have running humanity is my family and i don't believe. western countries actually have any authority over the middle eastern country i believe all equal that's why it comes down to the end of the day and like always comes of the question you know why was i born a british citizen i had no choice to be british i had no choice to be born western person so it's all luck so what i know about i asked the question middle eastern people and i always believed that the same as me so what difference really is that
i couldn't agree more borders are meaningless what is a man made everything is man made these borders that we've heard you know we invent these divisions between us to really separate ourselves and the hubris that people have to think that we can go and invade other countries and tell them what's best for them yet only you know when they want to be. you know you perform the palm my call for humanity what would you say i guess if you could summarize what is that call. to wake up to see life from another perspective i guess you know it's ok to question things it's ok to see life from another perspective and not the perspective the mainstream t.v. feeds down through you know there's a lot more to life than wall we're told and i guess i just really want people to see that because it's open the law things that me and it's really made me like appreciate life in a lot more ways you know i appreciate nature much more so stressed all the time i see life for what it is nice that was the main call you know i want people to work together to realize that we're a team humanity the team is no borders there's no different nations in the end of
the day there will officially constructs that we've made thank you so much coming on to sherry now where does that we find out more about your work jamie six months with jamie and you can search on you tube jamie them or michael for your money why society believes you money thank you so much for coming on and if you have a trip. coming up i'll talk about the disturbing resegregation of america's public schools stick around. and start for seven. six in the finish line of the marathon. what. i'm the best at it and i think a society bucket and big corporation kind of convinced that to consume consume
consume and the bankers tried all that all about money and i was vastly sick for a politician writing the laws and regulations to tax bankers coming up. there is just too much crap it's a society. that. it took. over but if you. did you know the price is the only industry specifically mentioned in the constitution and. that's because a free and open press is critical to our democracy shred albus. role. in fact the single biggest threat facing our nation today is the corporate takeover of our government and across several we've been hijacked lying handful of transnational corporations that will profit by destroying what our founding fathers
one school class i'm tom hartman and on this show we reveal the big picture of what's actually going on in the world we go beyond identifying the problem try rational debate and a real discussion critical issues facing america to find a job ready to join the movement then walk in the big picture. i would rather ask questions to people in positions of power instead of speaking on their behalf and that's why you can find my show larry king now right here on our t.v. question for. racial
segregation of american public schools has been illegal since the one nine hundred fifty four supreme court case brown v board of education when the court unanimously declared that the notion of separate but equal was inherently on equal although the law wasn't fully in force until fourteen years later the landmark case was a crucial turning point reversing the centuries of institutionalized racism in this country but a disturbing new report released today by the department of education civil rights division paints a harrowing picture of the state of american public schools when it comes to race the report indicates that we might actually be regressing in the fight to provide an equal opportunity for success to all children this study was the first of its kind in nearly fifteen years and examined data from the ninety seven thousand or so public schools here in the u.s.
some of the reports most disturbing conclusions include that black students are suspended or expelled to three times the rate of white students furthermore while black students only make up eighteen percent of preschool and a woman nearly half of all preschool students who are suspended more than once are block the study also found that just over fifty percent of all black high school students attend schools before range of math and science courses such as algebra two and chemistry compared to seventy percent of white students black students are also four times as likely as white students to attend schools where one fifth of teachers don't meet state requirements latino students were three times as likely to attend these schools basically this means if you're a minority you're almost assured a significantly lower quality education than caucasian students perhaps what's most disconcerting is that these stats only reveal a small picture of america's growing trend of school resegregation and i don't say
that lightly see according to a two thousand and thirteen study published in the american sociological review the factors. driving resegregation have grown increasingly stronger over the past few decades consider that nine hundred sixty eight and the year desegregation was fully enforced roughly seventy seven percent of black students and fifty five percent of latino students attended schools that were more than half minority populations but by two thousand and ten and seventy four percent of black students and eighty percent of latino students attended schools that were more than half minority with forty percent of those students attending schools that were ninety to one hundred percent minority so why is this a problem well because these segregated schools still remain incredibly unequal from their wider counterparts and everything from the experience of teachers to ballooning class sizes to inadequate facilities and teaching materials this type of complex and entrenched problem requires a radical new approach to federal education yet instead we've largely seen the same
tired approach coming out of this administration's education department obama initiatives like race to the top mostly repeated the mistakes of bush's no child left behind program these programs create competition for federal funds between schools based on standardized test scores and it inherits to a set of academic standards known as common core not only do these types of programs put a limit on creativity and critical thinking but they've also been a lasted by organizations like the n.w. c.p. for rewarding already high achieving schools and reinforcing the status quo when it comes to an equal schooling. listen it's far past time to abandon these one size fits all solutions to american education not only is the strategies stale and unimaginatively but we now know that it's only recreating a crisis we supposedly solved sixty years ago.
i always get a ha. for how much negative news i cover on the show because let's face it there's a ton of things we report our most aren't all that great but today is friday so i think about the time to laugh and also to cover the most amazing technological advancements happening in the world today from the visible cloaks to remote control cockroaches science fiction has officially become reality and who better to break down all the insanity than my good friend and host of the moment of clarity web series leap cameras and sanity expert. horse you are let's start off by talking about this amazing and we know how crazy the oil lobby is here we know the stranglehold it has on d.c. of course they've stifled the electric car for the last you know who killed the electric car they stifle this technology but they haven't stifled the test mokhtar electric car from being able to be produced driving across the country for free yeah there's no so you can you can drive across country for free with the car but
they're trying to stifle it they're doing their best i mean just the other day new jersey passed a law saying basically to making it really difficult for tesla to sell their cars some something with chris christie usually he's the you know i don't know why he would be involved in backroom dealing but yeah they're trying to it's really funny they're like do like it's the only way we all we can only get energy from oil and gas everything else is not feasible right when not feasible i.b.m.'s new photovoltaics thermal system could power together it's not feasible but they're like deep sea drilling give any idea how difficult it is their leg sticking the noodle of miles's i really how to do all of that just to have a monopoly on our energy resources it's insanely and they could also you know they can they can use real existing i can't speak existing infrastructure like parking lots and roads for solar i mean they can really revolutionize stuff fairly we don't even if it's not feasible not every subject again we can build the largest surveillance infrastructure the world has ever seen but we can't touch our
infrastructure we can't like fix our infrastructure given electric infrastructure to do it we can't change our world that way but i love it and. obama said of the finally climate change is a huge issue but that's why we need fracking like one now we're going to try crazy until we see to live reports of billions of gallons of fresh water upon her to our ground and contaminated but it's easy to get straight paint celie chevron and it's all about having a monopoly over it speaking of great solutions that are kind of being stifled by the corporatocracy right now let's look at the fact that marijuana is being recognized as a cure for cancer i mean lead there it or this is just insane i mean it's a horrible i want to know what it can really quickly just explain this according to molecular biologist christina sanchez on cannabis planet cancer cells actually commit suicide after can if you can avoid it when i say that word right. can i just see the expert not a scientist. t.h.c. actually switches off pathways that allows tumors to grow this is incredible it is
getting more and more accepted but we can't allow that because if you allow medicinal marijuana then it could cause like a run on toast. you know it could cause a spike in the cartoon network ratings abbie we can add that all right it would be a catastrophe. why not you know then they can then we can print our own food and then eat it after we. get the manager it just all you know we're going to put the food which brings me to the three d. printing i mean really three d. printing could revolutionize production manufacturing democratise so many things as if it's not mind blowing enough the fact that lasers can print things from the bottom up organs i mean for god's sake until twenty forty i mean how many people die every day on an organ donor list they will not have to anymore they're going to get organs and they're very close to organs which means just around the corner printing babies it's gonna be right there on the corner which then brings there's
this interesting ethical questions abby has to like can you hack into a friend's computer and just print him bay because you have to know you. well he's down a little but he comes old like ten babies and he's like it's not funny right man for the place. but interesting ethical questions did let's hope that they don't start cloning and printing babies are i mean this is crazy i mean i think in print organs you know it would help here's the thing if we allow this technology to go out to the masses rather than just be like something that rich people have access to printing the word and i think it could save lives it could change the world but the problem is that you end up with corporations having a stranglehold all right right well i think that you know like computers people people will be one step ahead of the corporations in terms of the hacking and be able to make their own three d. printer and stuff like that let's hope so let's talk about a little bit of a disturbing story the fact that humans can implant leads into cockroaches. apparently control their movements by remote control or an i phone app but we are
even know what to say other than the fact that it's just really now in remote control cockroaches but with an i phone which is interesting because our i phone is kind of controlling us we think we're controlling the congress but really how many people are able to detach from their i phone so i think we're unknowingly we're controlling ourselves at that video i saw us i thought it was over i'm going to a cockroach that is actually congress and that i can stroll or that's exxon mobile so. i thought it was the cockroach or congress has a lower popularity then cockroaches that's disgusting and vile and bizarre that says a lot of congress maybe we can remote control congress and actually do the bidding of their constituents would be very nice if i could just implant some leads because most of there are they already look like they're just being kind of robotic we controlled anyway with the lobbyists you know let's talk about probably the most amazing technology i have seen i mean other than three d. printing this is just absurd straight up harry potter style invisible cloak time
what in the hell did i don't even understand it correctly this is the department of aleck. trickle in computer engineering at the university of toronto has created a cloak adapted to different objects and sizes not full fledged invisibility yet but that's a way from being a harry potter i mean going house is going to affect society we're never going to hide behind an invisibility cloak and of course whenever something like this comes in it's immediately like the military is often behind it and they want to use it for all kinds of like death and destruction or spying you know things like that but i think it could be used for good you know it could be used for just wonderful things like watching people in the shower. and wrap it around karl rove so no one has to look at him anymore or or watching people in the shower there's that one to live in the sense that all we see whatever you mention of his ability people always like i would want people like is that really that great at it or selfie narcissistic world most people would just volunteer to be watched in the shower nowadays outside this building a guy just offered to me it was
a drug or whatnot so i don't know why that at all wonderful shower yes i here's what i don't know why that's what people are. hiding him more than the shower thing so we can print organs while wearing an invisibility cloak and have cockroaches make our dinner how in the hell is this going to change the world and how is going to change the way we live and wonder which i actually do think it's the potential of humankind right now is huge it's bigger than it's ever been the question is whether we can focus on achieving that or whether we continue to be lost in like this vapor a cloud of vapid nothingness you know these distractions and subtle will rouse all of screen flashes and car crashes whether we can look past that and actually progress as a species that's the question that is the end of question let's hope for god's sake let's hope that it's ok for the latter or the former whatever you said you can't thank so much man thank you if. you guys that's our show have a great weekend and during the next week when i break the set over again.
please. that's the. middle east. there was i would say. ok. well good. science technology innovation all the news developments from around russia we've got the future covered. quite often countries rich in natural resources are the poorest africa is a colony it's a colony of the big corporations it's a colony of some it's own leaders who are under the thumbs of the big corporations so they have to beg from the world bank's development of social programs goes to
pay back debts country is drowning under the amount of debt that they had and so every year they would borrow money. and they would use that same amount of money to pay back o. debts can all that money really help. the wages of debts. i would rather ask questions to people in positions of power instead of speaking on their behalf and that's why you can find my show larry king now right here on r.t. question.
think plastic. over my shoulder do is show that you know the price is the only industry specifically mentioned in the constitution. that's because a free and open press is critical to our democracy correct albus. well i'm. going to go on i'm sorry and on this show we reveal the picture of what's actually going on will we go beyond identifying the problem you're trying to fix rational debate a real discussion critical issues facing our family member ready to join the movement then welcome to the big picture. oh i'm tom hartman in washington d.c. and here's what's coming up tonight on the big picture. the this week marked the
eleventh anniversary of the u.s. led invasion of iraq a disastrous war that followed once prove once and for all the insanity of neoconservatism or did it our neo cons in washington using tensions in ukraine to rebuild a shattered image i'll ask colonel lawrence wilkerson insights conversations with great minds in just a moment and despite the horrors there were that the world witnessed in hiroshima and nagasaki during world war two nuclear weapons continue to play a key role in foreign relations and global conflicts how close are we to seen a nuclear free future and what steps should we be taking to help encourage a global disarmament of nuclear weapons all as paul share fun president joe cirincione after the break. for tonight's conversations with great minds i'm joined by someone who was on the front lines of one of the most pivotal moments in recent history going to lawrence
wilkerson was chief of staff to former sir. terry of state colin powell from two thousand and one to two thousand and five and saw first hand the bush administration's push to invade iraq as the secretary of state's right hand man who was directly involved in the bush administration's war planning and help secretary of state powell put together his famous two thousand and three address to the united nations that claimed that saddam hussein had weapons of mass destruction since leaving politics in two thousand and five however in a wilkerson has become an outspoken critic of both the bush administration and much of american foreign policy he's currently the distinguished adjunct professor of government and public policy at the college of william and mary and will christen joins us now in the studio there's talk of thanks for having me was i accurate in my characterization of you that you were set up in a forum where. so what brought lawrence wilkerson out of the military and into the white house what for that matter of getting to be a colonel is
a pretty big deal colin powell but i joined him in one thousand nine hundred nine when he got his four star leaving the reagan white house after being reagan's sixth and final last full security advisor and i was really represents except for a short time on ours in the marine corps war college as director and deputy director. so was he a mentor or a colleague you name it he was it you to mentor dear friend colleague my boss you continue to think. we continue to stay in contact we see some things or other things we don't yet you know are generally heard very good things about. you don't . you don't personally outstanding american who. let me just say deserved a better finale to his career. this week speaking that this week marks the eleventh anniversary day before yesterday or the day before that when it was time zone you
were on top of the start of the iraq war. you were colin powell chief of staff during that time. paul o'neill who was george bush's secretary of the treasury. told sixty minutes steve kroft one of the guys at sixty minutes that and ron suskind wrote about it as a book the price of loyalty that the very first cabinet meeting he was in the first topic that came up or words to the fact of the first topic that came up was the iraq war here's here's paul o'neill's. the very beginning there was a conviction that saddam hussein was a bad person and that he needed to go he says that going after saddam hussein was topic eight ten days after the inauguration eight months before september eleventh but that is that your experience as well as my experience in terms of the research
i've done since i left office my first inclination of the focus on iraq was one richard haass then ambassador richard haass director of policy planning at state which i was a staff member came into his office and said i just talked to condi we're going to war with iraq and all of us you know picked our jaws up off the table and waited for him to go further and fortunately for us he didn't but that was my first and it was addition this was summer of two thousand and one as i recall so this was long before nine eleven this was before nine eleven that's reason our surprise and so forth i was particularly surprised that we would be focused on iraq given what i knew was the under current administration about what would later be revealed as the axis of evil and so forth iran iraq and north korea because i was working for richard haass east asia and i knew that of those three the greatest threat was from p.r.
now i'm going north korea because i knew what intelligence was telling us at that time and that there was there was a distinct possibility. they might be in possession already of nuclear weapons and certainly we're working feverish really to build those weapons not just with blue tony i'm based weapon but also probably. uranium enhanced with programs so north korea was a much bigger threat to my military mind to my diplomat mind to my realistic mind and so i was somewhat puzzled with the concentration on iraq there's one theory there's been put forward. mickey herskowitz was a texas writer who was a front of the bush families and was hired apparently to write the first version of george w. bush's autobiography a charge to keep. interviewed bush for dozens of hours of audio tape and he told a reporter. in fact actually a we've got
a clip of city she had was quote testifying before congress let me just play this curious your thoughts in interviews in one thousand nine hundred nine with respected journalist and longtime bush family friend mickey herskowitz then governor george bush did it one of the keys to being seen as a great leader is to be seen as commander in chief my father had all this political capital built up when he drove there iraqis out of kuwait and he wasted an f i have a chance to invade if i had that much capital i'm not going to waste i'm going to get everything passed that i want to get past and i'm going to have a successful presidency and. after the two thousand and four election in two thousand and five he came out and said i've got all this political capital now i'm going to do what i really wanted to do which is what he ran on when he ran unsuccessfully for congress back in one thousand seven hundred eight i think it was privatized social security. has it. do you guys talk about this i mean you know
the veterans of this that that we want to. george bush could privatizing social security we talk about. basically what we talk about in the bedroom community in terms of george bush and privatization is the privatization of the ultimate public function war he privatized war. we don't talk about social security that of course was a name that failed miserably if you're just judging it by whether it's succeeded or not thank god in my estimation as i'm now getting social security and feel very comfortable with it but he probably ties so many things that are basically public functions this was a trend that had been going on for some time but george bush put the he put the smack to it i mean we had more private contractors in iraq in afghanistan at times than we had marines and soldiers he privatized the ultimate public function
war to the discredit. and dismay of well to the discredit of this country actually it's incredible what we've done. what's your what are your thoughts on. the drumbeat for war the lead up to war colin powell speech that you participated with before the united nations. in retrospect one of the one of the lessons i it's it's it's a lot more profound in retrospect because i've had an opportunity through my students and through my own research george washington university and women mary and my students have done exhaustive research on presidential decision making and this is one of those decisions they studied so in retrospect i know i felt i was an easy about the war in the first place because i didn't think it was a priority. i had some of the same money as my boss did my bosses was not nests
colin powell was not necessarily opposed to taking saddam hussein out as a war but he was opposed to the. i mean which was absurd we hadn't finished afghanistan and we saw what happened because we took our eye off the ball in afghanistan and also because we didn't have the legitimacy we needed we didn't have the international backing that we needed and so it wasn't a timely thing to do. i was also concerned about as i said before the balance of power in the gulf. we could i could say i know why we're not going against the threat that's in north korea diplomatically and otherwise i know why we're not focusing on that there's no oil and no israel so i can i can sort of fathom while we're turning toward southwest asia iran and iraq rather than north korea no oil no israel that's not a very of sound strategic rationale but i understood it politically especially in terms of domestic politics of use of the israel. but i couldn't understand why we
were doing iraq at the top of the list of things to do and to do immediately and that was very disquieting and and made me feel a great deal of on my knees as i think my boss did. in retrospect i think it was one of the greatest strategic disasters the united states has perpetrated in its history certainly the worst one since world war two and that includes my conflict vietnam so i'm really giving it a lot of discredit. the iraqi parliament yesterday passed a law allowing nine year old girls to marry and this was presented this in the new york times today they were presented as. to give legitimacy to the nose in the guardian excuse me and to restrict women's rights in the matters of parenting divorce an inheritance and seen as a political move to define the identity of the country's majority shia before next month's election. is this the kind you know had anybody for seen that we might end
up with an iraq that is like devolving back to the two. and has aligned itself with the right so i can tell you what i said i said i remember very vividly i said right after the statue of the fall when i said we'll be gone and saddam hussein will be back he'll have a different name but it will be another saddam say i still feel that too i think the shia will be overcome by the sudanese given saudi money and saudi compulsion for the sunni to get back in charge they will eventually get back in charge we've got a civil war going on in iraq today. forty fifty sixty seventy people die every day in iraq this is not a stable let alone jeffersonian democracy. leaves office with the elections coming up is a big question in my mind to see how this plays out more of tonight's conversations with great minds with the lawrence wilkerson right after this part.
are of course that. looks at the finish line out. on. the. line. for. it welcome back to conversations with great minds i'm speaking with lawrence wilkerson retired army colonel former chief of staff to secretary of state colin powell and distinguished adjunct professor of government and public policy at the
college of william and mary just a to wrap up our conversation for the last segment about the bush era and years. jerry ford established a precedent by not only pardoning richard nixon for the overt watergate crimes were basically for anything that might have happened there was this blanket and it extended to a number of members of his administration. arguably bill clinton did the same thing in one thousand nine hundred three when he became president by not continuing the investigations into iran contra and arguably barack obama has done the same thing to the extent that people are asserting that crimes were. emitted either in the establishment of the iraq war or in the execution of it things like ah brave whatever it may be are we doing ourselves a disservice is the obama administration doing america a disservice by saying we're going look forward not back is it time to break that
multi presidential precedent that gerry ford's if i were the president i would have broken in. that there was almost a way to excuse ford for nixon george h.w. bush for the six indicted for iran contra. maybe even clinton they were petty crimes that they they didn't rise to the level of what our founding fathers money call high crimes and misdemeanors article two of the constitution has an impeachment calls and i think the founders would be astounded utterly a standard to a man elbridge gary alexander hamilton george washington thomas jefferson james madison you name one of the founders that we know may be a standard we had throwed some bastard out every generation and we've we've just not used that clause properly it certainly should have been used against george w. bush if there was anyone who should have been impeached successfully removed from office it was george w.
bush so in that vein the nature of those crimes in my view and i think we need that six thousand plus page report from the senate select committee i think we need to panetta report we need these things out so we can look at them as americans with that in mind i think president obama made a grave mistake in not doing something about the previous administration's high crimes and misdemeanors and if you were to draft that bill of impeachment what would it specify i'd have to have those six thousand pages and then i think i'd have adequate material to frame those articles so we don't even know the full extent of i think the fright on john brennan's part right now is. that not only will there be people within the cia who will have to be indicted if this comes out john ritter may have you may be amongst them are. moving to more contemptible i guess that's pretty contemporary i mean that's that's a but i'm curious your thoughts on. the we saw the this incredible
rise of neo conservatism during the bush administration the project the new american century is a mandate from the last two years of the of the clinton ministration being played out by george bush invading iraq. and now we're hearing from. the those who identify themselves as neo cons or associate with that world view we should attack syria we should attack iran bomb bomb bomb iran we should have attacked our korea doesn't mean that we still listen to them isn't it you know i'm like to go through some of those you know one of a time and just get your thoughts on these contemporary issues and and and maybe the larger arc of this maybe take it first or last. there are the scholars of world war one who would say that we still don't know why world war one happened other than the archduke ferdinand got assassinated and serry
a bow and there was a whole bunch of countries that had basically mutual defense agreements with each other and so he declares war on us that we have to deal with domino stables began rolling yeah and you know are we there been a couple op eds recently in the financial times in particular but in other venues as well about our have we. been since the generation that experienced war one is now largely entirely dead have we completely forgotten those lessons of history do we stand now at a moment in history where in our studio ferdinand assassination kind of event in some other form could lead to another world war well i certainly think so i don't think it says unique to world war one is perhaps your remarks seem to seem to focus on i think war start more often and for reasons of passion and polemics and miscalculation and misjudgment. and lack of empathy that is to say you can't put
yourself in the other person's shoes you can only see the situation from your own perspective then they do from results from reasons of state for a reasonable purposes. you have to go back to napoleon to find conflicts battles that you can say i understand that from a strategic point of view he wanted because he wanted that it's very difficult after roughly one thousand nine hundred to say that about almost any war i studied this i've studied every war over fifty that the united states that is use of hostilities or hostilities engaged in the use of weapons in some form or another and you would not believe the number of covert operations that i've looked at that the cia has had to develop in the last sixty seventy years they boggle the mind the crimes that have been committed in the name of the american people and with their money by the cia so a lot of these things defy reason defy analysis in terms of anything but who are
the people making the decisions what were the circumstances under which they made them and how did passion and circumstance of the moment not strategic rationale play a play a part of a major part in the start of that conflict in the start of people dying. that's a very high prospect today given the circumstances in a number of places syria and ukraine come immediately to mind what are your thoughts let's start with syria what are your thoughts on this is a disaster a civil war that more or less i think started for some of the same reasons we're all going to be confronting in the next fifty to sixty years be did so i want but my children and grandchildren well it started really because they had no water of farmers in syria had no wasis climate change yes and so they couldn't turn a crop they couldn't even survive on what was happening with regard to their
agriculture so they rose up who whose whose to say they shouldn't have this is not a jeffersonian reach for democracy or freedom it's a statement just like egypt was just like tunisia was in a number of other places or it's a statement that hey we're twenty years old and no prospects and more male and more mad and we're going to take it out on whatever happens to be in the governing body at this time this is this is why syria started but then well you and i were just talking about everyone poured in from has blow to iran to saudi arabia to mali keyed to try to all solder everyone who had a dog in the fight started fueling the far and now we have a massive civil war and lots of casualties and no prospects in sight for a political solution which is the only way you're going to solve it and lots of great power interest in it from china to russia to the united states lots of great
power interest it's not as tinderbox perhaps as ukraine is right now but it still has the potential along with ukraine you could look around in three or four years and see much of the world in and involved in conflict and look back and say that was the artistic ferdinand moment for this you could say something like that yes and so did one of the. resources are going to be an increasing reason for people to start killing each other water included do you think that played a role in what's going on in ukraine i think ukraine's basic situation is it's a basket case and i don't mean the basket for russian grain i mean it's a basket case it's right on much the way moscow is being run right now but much less efficiently than moscow it's being run by a corrupt oligarchy and that it's the nature of the beast in ukraine i think what you saw in genuine opposition the world what is happening in ukraine particularly focused in kiev was people who don't like that people like you and me who would
prefer to just have a decent job three meals on the on the table a roof over their head a lasting seas for our water to drink and so forth and so on and don't have any interest in amassing great wealth and yet people who are amassing great wealth through basically criminal criminal means are those who are in the political structure now i just described to a large extent my own country too so i've got to be careful how far i go with this metaphor but it is a real problem it is a significant problem for ukraine and until they work that problem out and have a decent political system a good government and a reasonably silent economy no one's going to want to touch them. except for reasons of state like we've just said above for russia a nato member for the west all of which is absurd but that's what's caused this right because interest in the. e.u. association agreement i guess ukraine has just signed this and this is presented
back in november this is like by the way this is like greece deciding to become a member of the a you at the present moment with greece in all its troubles separable has occurred yes yes just why would the e.u. want to take on another greece it wants to take on group another. because pressure is being brought from various capitals not least of which is washington to make ukraine ever more like a member of nato which is in my view strategically geo politically absurd and i understand completely why president putin reacted the way he did to this kind of change in the power structure you mention corrupt oligarchy and governance and then said we have an issue like this we have a few all the guards who are throwing around hundreds of millions of dollars in our political system or we you know you worked inside the government denies he worked
in the white house what do we do with this in the minute we have left an interesting question i just had a conversation to that effect with the number of. people who are of some consequence in this country and one of them shocked me by saying until the people rise up it isn't going to change but if the people rise up it starts to look like ukraine and then you've got an even worse unless you meant revolution in the revolutions don't usually produce good after mass. one of the reasons i argue that we didn't really have a revolution we had an evolution while we separated from from there from a distance we were at a colonial power that separated from our colonial masters that couldn't reach out and slap us not hard enough to do. so we maintain a quite a relationship with that economic relationship with that colonial master for a long time to his john adams that as long as the little rowboat we had stayed in
the wake of the british man of war we prosper there you go colonel wilkerson it's an honor and pleasure to have you with us thanks very. to see this in other conversations of great minds go to our website at conversations and great minds dot com. coming up there are currently an estimated seventeen thousand nuclear weapons in the world how can we work toward a nuclear. free future and ensure that those seventeen thousand nuclear weapons are used to kill militants all ask polish air fun president joe cirincione after the break. we'll look at. science technology innovation all the least of elements from
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for the u.s. house of representatives the center for american progress and the carnegie center for international peace he's the author of a number of books on nuclear weapons policy including his latest nuclear nightmare securing the world before it's too late a fascinating and often sobering look at the reality of modern day nuclear destruction joe cirincione joins us now in the studio joe great to have you with thank you tom pleasure to be here thanks for joining us let's i'd like to start out with you what yeah what got you interested in the whole issue of nuclear proliferation nuclear weapons nonproliferation. so sure you know even as a as a kid i remember reading failsafe serialized in the saturday evening post and popular family magazine it was time late so late rifty sleep late fifty's and it's scared the bejesus out of me and then seeing the movie dr strangelove you know so i form my opinions and of course in my generation we did duck and cover drills i mean
we lived with the possibility that we could be immolated at any moment in new haven where i grew up every saturday afternoon at noon they were in the air raid sirens and they did a test of the emergency broadcast system so this was real real stuff but i didn't come back as a profession until i joined the staff of the house. this committee in january one nine hundred eighty five and there i was assigned responsibility over a number of nuclear programs what we call oversight responsibility investigations monitoring the budgets particularly of the president reagan strategic defense initiative the missile defense program most times yeah so you were. providing oversight on the star wars you started investigating these and at the time we thought this was it this was going to be the technological solution to nuclear war that's what the president thought but even you know after a year of looking at this today here in the testimony it was clear that this thing didn't work was it was never going to work and it became conclusively clear to me
that the only real solution to avoiding nuclear war was to reduce and eventually eliminate the weapons a position that president reagan also endorsed and in the latter part of his administration he cut nuclear arsenals around the world by fifty percent working with then the leader of the soviet union mikhail gorbachev he became the greatest arms control president in u.s. history here and i think that that was that was an extraordinary conversion or. piff an e. or whatever you know road to damascus kind of experience ronald reagan had and i have often wondered whether it was tied in with his oncoming of alzheimer's or whether all whether as a journey it was it goes way back and you can read this in his biographies as a young actor in the he was appalled by your ashima and actually wanted to engage in some protest against the nuclear weapons but warner brothers studio stopped him
from doing that and you go back and he he he long felt that nuclear weapons as he said in public who are good for nothing and should be banned from the earth and i now have the privilege of working with george shultz is secretary of state at the time who was with him while he was negotiating with gorbachev who feels the same way he's one of the advisors on our plow shares board that's created. didn't ronald reagan say to gorbachev let's just a litany of these things all together they came real close to the summit in reykjavik to having an agreement to eliminate all nuclear weapons every single one of them within ten years and you can see the transcripts and these guys were in tents they were doing it themselves it wasn't staff george schultz was with them in the room and they came very close and they stumbled out at the last minute over a hitch and whether to confine anti-missile defenses to the laboratory or not the anti in this old yesterday i program yeah so yeah i'm both of them exaggerated their effectiveness ronald reagan thought they would work and gorbachev feared they
would it turns out you could have let them go full bore they would have affected one thing or another so we missed the chance to eliminate nuclear weapons by a couple of words because that's that's remarkable there were a lot of us back who were suggesting fairly publicly that s.d.i. was nothing more than a boondoggle that was being yeah voted by the weapons industry the defense industry you know they were looking for a new source of cash or a new source of revenue and it was a trillion dollar project as i recall over the life of the right so it started like all weapons programs they start off fairly modestly a few million here a few million there pretty soon you're doing. production a billion dollar programs that have trillion dollar lifetime costs so you're right in fact if i can segue yeah please do that's the situation we face now same contractors now involved in building nuclear weapons often subsystems bombers saabs
and missiles are about to launch the u.s. on a whole new generation of these nuclear weapons they are working their way through the congressional budget as the former chairman of vice chairman of the joint chiefs of staff says james cartwright over the next two or three years we're going to make fifty year decisions on whether we want to wrap up. kate the bomber's sobs of missiles being built during the cold war you want to do it again for another fifty years if we do it's going to cost us one trillion dollars over the next thirty years so we've got some serious nuclear budget issues coming up trillion dollars over thirty years and then and then contrast that with the fact that student loan debt the united states is also one trillion dollars we could wipe out all the student loans which would be the equivalent of putting a generation and a half two generations of young people through college for free we could do that going forward we could put the next generation through college for free or we could have a whole brand new generation of nuclear weapons because the government doesn't compile
the nuclear budget on one place these costs of kind of hidden from the public from policymakers members of congress themselves don't understand how much these nuclear weapons cost and it's not just what we could be spending domestically it's what we could be spending on conventional military needs so in the president's budget this year we're cutting the army cutting the navy cutting the air force we cut in the marines the guard the benefits we're increasing nuclear weapons costs how does a how do we come to you know we're in a position where the president a united states president obama came out swinging on nuclear policy this was a mission he deeply believed and you worked on it as a as a senator and he had a great first two years on this but then he put it aside he had these other issues because i left it up to his staff and i got to say the program has stagnated the policy has lost ground and in this policy vacuum income the contracts the
contracts they're doing what they're supposed to do they see their programs wearing out their bombers missiles reaching the end of their operational life so they propose new programs so you have this policy program gap with the policy pushed aside and the contracts moving ahead i'm not even sure president obama understands the car. it's a coincidence of what's about to happen over the next two or three years if you let these contracts continue they will be locked in and they'll build a constituency that's going to be very hard to overcome even for the president of the united states am i remembering correctly when he was a senator he went to dick lugar the republican from indiana indiana that's exactly right who was a well known solid credential as a military knowledgeable dollar conservative. let's work together to to sort to reduce our that this is what i mean by obama's personal commitment to the
issue when he came to the senate he sought out which had lugar who was deeply involved in securing loose nukes or those those weapons and materials left in the former states of the soviet union and he said look take me with you and he tells stories to this day of the trips he's take took with dick lugar to ukraine and belarus kazakhstan and what he saw and how that deep into his commitment he then sought out chuck hagel another conservative republican from nebraska and then he authored together still with one of the best nonproliferation pieces of legislation ever to be presented to the senate so he was working on these issues as a senator i was honored to work on his campaign on the staff in two thousand and seven two thousand and eight and he he put together what is probably the most comprehensive integrated realistic nuclear policy anyone has ever carried into the white house he started implementing it but now he's got a crisis on his hands it's stagnating it's slipping back will he we ask you which in time in time is there any kind of an organized movement to promote
that i mean you know we've got the entire keystone x.l. pipeline you've got the there's all these fairly visible interests that are that are out there and he's certainly aware of their of their presence is there an organized anti-nuclear movement today i will remember the brothers barragan. i remember you know i. were you know getting well actually we had just i don't know i stood a few months ago we did we did and sentenced yes yes sentenced to three years in prison. actually ploughshares fund the organization i had and i tell the story in the last chapter of this book was started in one thousand nine hundred one by a san francisco philanthropist who thought that ronald reagan then going to blow up the world in those early eighty's and that was the height of the anti-nuclear movement a million people came out to central park protesting millions in europe protesting the u.s. and soviet deployment of missiles and. the public outrage worked it
really affected we know it affected reagan we know it influenced his decisions and led to the treaties that now it's back you never going to see that again. because there isn't that sense of urgent threat you know the soviet union collapsed the cold war is over we don't do russia has thousands of thousands of nukes and now we've got this conflict in ukraine and that is actually right some of the old wars over axis point but the weapons remain so you have people like us we're still at it you know thirty two years later we're still working on the closures ploughshares fund and there's a network of groups that range from the carnegie endowment to the arms control association to little grassroots groups like peace action who are involved in these issues still plugging away still pushing still feeding ideas into the administration and critical issues like iran coming to the fore an engaging in a political battle in the u.s.
congress all the while we can make a deal with iran whether we're going to go to war with iran what's your sense and i think we're going to get a deal i think the u.s. and iran for the first time in the history of the islamic republic both willing to talk at the same time the great tragedy of the relationship has been when one side's been willing to talk the other side is not. but we have a new president in the united states who's going to talk the past president wasn't and we have a new president in iran who's willing to talk gauged in serious ongoing discussions just this week the senior administration officials gave a briefing on the talks and said we were in continuous contact with each other experts are working at it the diplomats meet again monday and tuesday in geneva to continue the discussions i think the underlying strategic imperative on both sides is driving towards a deal but there are opponents in both countries hardliners in tehran and in washington who don't want to deal that's the political battle that is more of
and welcome back to conversations with great minds i'm speaking with joe cirincione president of the ploughshares fund and author of the new book nuclear nightmare securing the world before it's too late. you're going to vizor the state department and and i'm curious. you know from the inside also from the outside you're also on the outside your thoughts on it say there was not that of the new york times by john mccain saying. this this conflict with ukraine with russia is because the president is weak and he's making very weak and it's seems to me that they're
trying. jimmy carter is president obama for for both the present and for posterity and i don't even think that was a fair hit on carter i think that was the result of the reagan p.r. machine. and also your thoughts on how the state department and the administration in general are reacting sure happy to do that i'm proud to serve on the international security advisory board to secretary kerry but he's always happy to hear me say that i don't represent the views of the state department and these views are purely my own you know i think secretary kerry turning out to be able markable secretary i think even support surprising many of us so passing our expectations really tackling the hard problems i was on c.n.n. crossfire a couple of weeks ago with newt gingrich and bill kristol and they were attacking kerry as weak and ineffective and terrible and all these you know ad hominem attacks adjectival attacks and they do the same with obama they try to present this
frame mccain as part of this so that whatever obama does they put in the frame that he's weak he's dangerous naive doesn't care about american security might not even be an american and they just reinforce that over and over again i don't think this affects the president i don't and affects of all the vice president or his secretaries but i think it does have an effect on the staff i do see the staff kind of pulling back afraid. to do something that might be characterized as weak afraid to go ahead and push treaties they don't want to make a mistake they don't they don't want to take a risk peacemaking is perceived as weakness as well as to war may so you see them always emphasizing for example how much they're spending on nuclear weapons or how or defending the department defense budget they don't want to be seen as proposing . independent cuts in nuclear weapons while u.s.
and. russian negotiations on further cuts are frozen for the moment this staff is intimidated and doesn't want to let the u.s. come down on nuclear weapons even though we now have more nuclear weapons than russia does and then the joint chiefs agree we could safely come down you see this stat holding back on this i had an interesting conversation with john dean about this a year or so ago about the psychology of the neoconservatives and i don't. i don't want to characterize or quote him you know but it but it got me thinking i think broadly what he was suggesting was that there's. there's some kind of deep seated fear in some of these folks that probably has nothing to do with. the the world around them and probably has to do with the world that they were six years old and or the family that they were six years old but they can never have enough
weapons they can never have enough sense muscle they can never have enough domination and it is this this is the world view the mccain and lindsey graham and joe what's his name lieberman lieberman and you know the guys who are going to be all crystal ball and so on yes reflect and i'm curious you know feel free to say you're not going to psychoanalyze somebody but i'm curious what your thoughts are about that that kind of branch of politics and what it's doing to our policies where you can see i believe these people are stuck in the middle of the twentieth century that their views might have been formed during the cold war but they are they hearken back to the holocaust for some of them for world war two to munich look how often they make the munich comparison you know many negotiations we've had since one thousand nine hundred thirty nine but that's the one they fixate is all about neville sure you know ford would have go to have a field day analyzing these guys what do. going on there that they keep going back
trying to correct the mistakes of their great grandfathers ok so that's where we are now so you can see that's the answer to everything in chapter two of the book i don't want to plug the book too much please said chapter two i go over what their policy was during the bush years when the neoconservatives took over the national security apparatus and led us into this disastrous and unnecessary war with iraq that has cost us trillions of dollars the lives of tens of thousands of our best warrior and squandered u.s. credibility and legitimacy a big part of the problem obama has is that we're still trying to dig out of the hole these guys dug for us and on their nonproliferation policy wasn't treaties they didn't want to do treaties they don't want to do good negotiations the munich analogy again they want more weapons their policy was you don't as dick cheney said you don't negotiate with evil you defeated so the war in iraq was supposed to be just the beginning we're supposed to roll through damascus over to tehran and you
see that the echoes of this more than the the implementation of this theory still in how they're treating iran and this struggle over whether we can negotiate with iran or or do we have to go to war with iran and the negotiations are framed as munich as appeasement is giving in and the only answer is a war with iran i'm telling you a war with iran would make iraq and afghanistan look like a warm up act. absolutely i can't i've just been shocked by how many times just in the past couple of weeks i've heard neo cons on radio and t.v. draw a parallel between john kerry and exactly i mean it's all over and over and you know something about the issue it's the big lie technique you just keep saying it over and over again and however untrue some of it sticks so you can see some of the american public buying into this sort you suggesting. that the bush doctrine. was a mistake and if so to what extent has it been repudiated have. turned away from it
and to what extent are we still hanging on to pieces boy you couldn't you know this is washington we argue about policy all the time but the great thing about policies it leaves a track record so you can go back and look and almost every nonproliferation problem the bush administration inherited they were considerable they made worse by their policies so when they ended there were no centrifuges spinning in iran when they took office north korea did not have a nuclear bomb when they took office there were twenty thousand centrifuges in iran now north korea's done three nuclear tests india and pakistan has nuclear arms race has taken off each one hundred nuclear weapons each the credibility united states and in our efforts to try and stop nuclear terrorism stop new states we do see nuclear arsenals has been weakened by their efforts you can see what happened and yet politically there's still there's still championing these causes this is one of
the main reasons obama hasn't been as successful as he wants to be has been the ideological and political opposition to every step he's trying to take and i would have seen that domestic policy yeah this goes back to that meeting in the caucus room restaurant the night that he was inaugurated where the republicans from the house and senate got together and said we will do everything we can do it in a minute yeah it was in fact new came on my program and i was in the streets and and he said no we're the opposition that's what we're supposed to do but you know i've been around long enough i remember during the reagan years and working with the house dems to try to cut some of these unnecessary programs like b.m.x. missile and the b. two bomber but when reagan went to reykjavik to negotiate they all gathered in the rotunda in there and tip o'neill got on the phone with his senate colleagues and they dropped the amendments to cut those weapons because they didn't want to undercut the president as he was about to negotiate with the soviet leader and.
when politics really did stop at the water's edge the president called from air force one as he was flying to reykjavik to thank the congressional leaders can you imagine that happening now i can't and that's the tragedy you mentioned. sort of in passing but i think it's a big deal india and pakistan actually got to that yeah there's been a couple of weeks there's this meeting the nuclear security summit oh yeah i want to miss this this is coming up next week in the hague in the netherlands what's what is that what's what's the significance on wednesday i'm flying out to participate in some of the poem and every activities the non-government organizations you asked about the organized lobbying groups were going to be there in full force and for two days be debating policy on this and then on monday the twenty fourth the president united states is leading this nuclear security summit leaders of fifty countries from around the world will gather to synchronize their efforts on nuclear terrorism how do you stop
a nuclear terrorist from blowing up new york city or washington d.c. you stop them from getting the materials the highly enriched uranium and plutonium those are in stockpiles around the country you need all the countries cooperating to secure and eliminate those materials that's what the nuclear security summit has that's what they do it's one of the greatest successes of the obama strategy a brand new pillar of our security they'll make some progress but it's they're going to fall short the president had hoped to secure all these materials within four years of his taking office five years in was still a long way to go he needs to take bolder action and work with those countries that are willing to take bolder action or else i'm afraid sooner or later terrorists are going to get their hands on this material and we're going to see a nuclear bomb detonated in a major city or around the world this this is very concerning and in the two minutes or so we have left you mentioned hawk. there one hundred nukes in this
country osama bin laden was hanging out in it's a country that we're killing people with drones regularly i mean there's that very anti-american sentiment developing. iran does not have nuclear weapons or may never have pakistan has one hundred and an unstable economy an unstable government strong islamic fundamentalist influences in their military and intelligence apparatus and if you just mentioned al qaeda is operating within the territory of pakistan and they share a border with india also nuclear on and where they face they've had for conflicts in the last sixty years so this is a serious nuclear danger i call the most dangerous country on earth you've got to work to prevent any conflict between india and pakistan and you've got to work to reach to reduce the terrorist threat inside pakistan and get pakistan to stop making nuclear weapons and making more nuclear weapons in any country on earth and then making them smaller and more portable to be used in battlefield conditions
that increases the security threats so for my money it's not north korea or iran we've got to worry about where the next nuclear threat comes from it's pakistan in thirty seconds what do we do about one you've got to help them improve their economy to give a future to the otherwise desperate people that are that are fueling the terrorist threat to you have to work much harder on resolving the india pakistan differences because the including over over kashmir and three you have to get out of afghanistan because a lot of what's destabilizing pakistan right is what we've been doing in afghanistan joe cirincione thanks so much thank you my pleasure keep up the great work thank you to see this and other conversations with great minds go to our website conversations with great minds dot com.
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