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coming up on our t.v. violence and threats like ukraine as an infamous militant member of a neo nazi group is shot dead and the former ukrainian prime minister threatens russia the latest on these events unfolding just ahead. and our major changes coming to the n.s.a. leaked info suggest reforms to the bulk collection of phone call data could be on the way but this is really reform or just window dressing details coming up. and the u.s. faces serious troubles with the comic bursting pipes and wasted drinking water on the horizon an aging crumbling water system an in-depth look at the failing infrastructure later in the show.
it's tuesday march twenty first eight pm here in washington d.c. i'm lindsey france you're watching or to america violence and threats continue to rock ukraine as in a tourist militant from ukraine's neo nazi group right sector alexander music sco is shot dead in the west of the country and ukraine's former prime minister yulia timoshenko threatens to level russia to the ground this came in a leaked phone conversation with another former official that emerged on you tube it's also came as the united states government debates a loan guarantee for the country's new leadership party's alexy he has more for us from moscow. the last twenty four hours have seen somewhat bizarre and somewhat warring developments coming from kiev first off a leaked phone conversation between the former ukrainian prime minister yulia timoshenko now a presidential hopeful and one of the politicians from the former ruling party party of regions suggested that yulia timoshenko used some very strong and even extraordinary statements she said that she would personally take a gun and go kill the russians along with the leader of the national.
energy initiative keep. it up at the movies. a senior policy they should we should not call it working if you would agree with you. it was. very specific to the. i mean. we in the press pool that i'm allowed to share. the latest though that this part where she talked about those ukrainians living in russia was edited but still very strong quotes about her killing russians and their leader there was still on the tape and she even put it on her twitter account that she apologized for bad language clearly suggesting that she she bruv the authenticity of this league tape certainly not the first time that you were to michigan has been playing
a somewhat nationalist card but obviously i haven't seen haven't heard such radical statements coming from her but we go back to when clinton when she was running for the presidency back then she also tried to play the nationalist card that is to win the electorate in the west of ukraine which is always been rather nationalist and anti russian to a certain extent however this is. the legal conversation shows that timoshenko i think we should all be friends in a very new level in the rhetoric obviously she's now again in a presidential candidate and will be now. trying to win votes with such such words some four days ago to michelle returned from germany where she was treated with her back pains and produced some strong statements as well and some of them i would say were quite contradictory first she said that ukraine will fight for returning crimea for returning the crimean land back into its back and to its helm until the very last blood of ukrainian very last drop of ukrainian blood and then at the same
time basically just a few sentences later she said that those who are carrying russian flags in the crimea are drunk thugs as she described them which is obviously strange to hear because i myself returned from crimea from sin for all short while ago and i saw that most of the population there were in fact carrying russian flags but definitely the biggest news of the day coming from ukraine was the assassination of a brahmin and nationalist activist and leader of one of the factions of the so-called right sector in the west of ukraine alexander was the chicken he was better known to the world as such core beliefs and certainly very controversial figure he was killed in what was apparently a gunfight between the police and. the interior ministry reclaimed published information that the special operation against a gang of criminals was held in a western ukraine and in fact stormed the police in fact stormed the cafe where music when his friends were having is in
a move which could try to flee the scene fired shots back at the police resisted arrest and was eventually killed. it would have seemed like just another criminal act a criminal fight between the police and a gang of criminals but if. the confession of moses for himself which he published about ten days ago online where he said that where he actually predicted his death he said that his death could be orchestrated by special services or the interior ministry and give or rather he would be handed over. to russia where he has been a wanted criminal and will be dealt with then this certainly adds a whole new spin to the whole story suggesting that there could be some infighting among those people who are fighting against a yanik which is regime at the my down for almost three months and also. the fact that the right wing sector the right sector their representatives in western recreates that they will retaliate they will adventure with this cause death and
they all but declared war on the terror ministry this fact is also rather warring if we look at back at what man was it was i could give you one quote from the one nine hundred ninety s. when he was fighting on the side of the chechen militants in chechnya against russian troops it is actually believed that he killed at least at least a tally and of russian soldiers on the ground in chechnya back then he said on camera that as long as blood runs through my veins i quote. i would kill muscovites russians jews and communists so this is pretty much depicting what kind of man he was in the last several months and that could have given the reason for the interior ministry of ukraine to haunt him he has crossed several lines in ukraine he has been storming the sessions of local authorities in the west of the country has been attacking prosecutors. who will only go up.
now that's a little bit clearer. lumen . on him a little boost huma not to be difficult. brother young persecutors i would say in the very same town where he lived so this was probably this probably did not go unnoticed in kiev but certainly we heard some information coming from inside the as be with us if you just saw us of ukraine i saw or rather a former former employee of the s.b. you told the always do you see in russia that it was never about arresting as it was claimed by the interior ministry of the order to the special services coming from the highest echelons of power and give was to execute was each goal so that you could be dealt with so that you can no longer compromise those in power right now so obviously it's all heating up in kiev it may not be an open
confrontation bullets are not flying in the ukrainian capital at the moment but as close that we get to the supposed presidential election which is still supposed to be held on the twenty fifth of may the more heated the atmosphere becomes and the more. things like that we may encounter in the next couple of months. but us are. reporting from. the number of deaths handed said death sentences rather handed down in egypt has topped that of former president hosni mubarak during the last years of his rule and the three years since his arrest in two thousand and eleven neither the military normal human morsy surpassed dictators figures now the army has decided to take matters into its own hands as artists and reports hopes that jumpstarting a revolution will result in democracy don't always come true. uprisings abroad giving if we did with the promise of a better future the actions of ordinary citizens spark movements for change because
they speak to a longing for freedom and hailed as true democracy a democratic. structure across the middle east. sure called arab spring so determination through coups and regime change often hailed by washington as an honest way to move forward for the united states supporting democratic transitions is not a matter of idealism it is a strategic necessity redefining the word democracy to democracy is a government that we like that she poured out how it was used and if it doesn't lead us to knowledge our priest and you can overthrow it as a result uprisings are often romanticized in cairo we heard the voice of the young mother who said it's like i can finally breathe fresh air for the first time but in reality what ensues can be questionable in egypt swept by a revolution and almost five hundred thirty supporters of the ousted morsi regime
get sentenced to death as the military takes over the staggering numbers on the descent of medieval times the only alternative it would seem to despotism is a form of islamic democracy and the people are paying with their lives and good their security to go to the market that rights are respected he would argue that the voice of the people is essential to a legitimate democratic process but the same applies to an officially elected government whose are arguably becoming increasingly accepted as a way to quickly impose change may bring about a swift era of reform in the short term without building a stable government system that can create a strong and truly democratic future which can eventually backfire on r.t.e. washington d.c. . and along last the obama administration is preparing legislation that would take the bulk collection of americans phone data out of the hands of the national security agency while still maintaining its ability to say up on the terrorists out
of the proposal expected from the white house later this week the new york times reports that the agency would still be able to access data about americans phone phone calls with. approval from a judge but all of the information would be held by the phone companies rather than the n.s.a. edward snowden edward snowden's leaks to the news media in june revealed that n.s.a. currently stores telephone numbers called times and dates but not content for five years meanwhile the house intelligence committee released its own bill today called the end bulk collection act it also keeps the records of the phone companies but doesn't need the prior permission from a judge to begin collecting that data all of this pending legislation would need to be approved by congress before it's put into place so is surveillance reform actually on the horizon and what other efforts are being made to assuage skeptics over the controversial collection of our data well i was joined earlier by former cia analyst ray mcgovern he i first asked him for his opinion on president obama's
remarks made earlier in the day on n.s.a. reforms here's what the president had to say a big good there's a tendency. be skeptical of government and to be skeptical in particular of u.s. intelligence services and so it's going to be necessary for us to step. there was announced today i think of the example of slowly systematically putting in more checks balances legal processes. so his administration's plans would only puts. would still keep the information in the hands of a telecom company telecom companies as we've mentioned but. is requiring a court order just window dressing or are these actual reforms would have to see the latest we'd have to see the executive order or whatever he's preparing but i have to say that i wish i could believe the president more readily than i ten. and
initially said there were no abuses. initially said oh i was going to do that anyway i was going to pursue what was going on and then they say if there were any abuses and of course you he owes it to snowden for for revealing uses and there's a whole host of things that he has said which make me think either that he's simply voices what the intelligence services tell him to say or that he knows all this and is deliberately misleading the public could be give you two examples and a major speech he said you know i signed an executive order this is a quote well before mr snowden leaked this information that provided whistleblower protection ok now you know he has to know i remember that coming hours i don't know that there's a point that i wouldn't now k. and then the other thing he said is even more mischievous what he said was you know why is all this necessary and this is a quote the program grew out of
a desire to address a gap but then if i did nine eleven one of nine eleven hijackers. made a phone call from san diego to a known al qaeda safe house and ayman wow implication if we had bulk collection we might have been able to find out what the number was in san diego problem we know what the number was in san diego and they say had that number it's as easy as call what the call waiting to have a good caller id ok they had the number and it wasn't just one conversation it was at least seven. said that and we had the content of those telephone commute not what was the problem the problem was that as a kept it all to all to themselves did not share with the f.b.i. the cia of anybody else that's a real problem because that surely would have thwarted the attempts on nine eleven ok so when it comes to listening to what people want which is real reform the house
intelligence committee came out with its own little version as well and even though they had long been from proponents of the n.s.a. they've come out with of archon and they say it shows they're listening to the concerns of the american people do you think this proves that or not is that just lip service as well the chair of the house intelligence committee. who is the one that said we should put edward snowden on the kill list for drones he's the one they keep saying it would snowden has been working for the russians without any evidence it used to cheer his counterpart the chair of the senate intelligence committee says there is no evidence to show that the russians had anything to do with snowden before during or after he took this material so who is mike rogers well you know we used to have people like that we should used to call them mccarthy's studio and i asked mike rogers has he finally no shame. well the typical american obviously as we wish we found out since advertising came out
with all these leaks doesn't like the thought of big brother looking over their shoulder a lot of people change their habits because of it including a former president jimmy carter he was on meet the press let's listen to what he the changes he's made to how he does his correspondence there's a lot of you know i have felt that my own communications were probably monitored and when i want to communicate with a foreign leader probably i. type or write the letter myself put it in the post office and mail it old fashioned mail one year because i believe if i send an e-mail little it will be monitored. so far only you know foreign leaders who are concerned about what spying does it's also you know former presidents people in the u.s. as high as former presidents feel like they're being spied on what does this say when when the typical american doesn't feel like their fears are being responded to and people like this are saying in america american public media that they feel
spied on just as much because it is you solution to a list a very easy solution that we are snowden says that he has the e-mail address of the president he could hack into his e-mail he says that he could bug the telephone the telephone of the president now if that's true or it's not true or president obama should do is call up the head of the as a and the head of the national intelligence put them under oath and say have you been or are you know intercepting my e-mails or my telephone conversations and put it to them if they want to lie under oath as they have been consistent in doing well then maybe the president will have the backbone to pursue that i do know that sounds pretty pragmatic to me i'm not sure if i'm doing that now let's little twist here let's talk c.s.i. and and c.s.i. this crime shows are so successful here in the states there is an article that just came out from the business insider that is basically saying shows like these are
cheering sections for the n.s.a. because it glamorizes what in effect is you know their propaganda for the for these agencies because it's glamorizing going above and beyond the law and do you think that this affects the typical america's opinion about intelligence gathering and effectively spying of course if you have the program twenty four before we just of i was going to show you how that was a good show it was still you know but it gave the impression that torture works. unless you want unreliable information that works like the troy if you want to prove that al qaeda had ties up or. ties with that saddam hussein may torture and like books like that that's why they do it ok do you think hollywood has got its according to the power of the and the department of defense is saying hey we like it that you're glamorizing this there are dark thirty we like it that you're doing this that's great let's work together and we'll keep letting you use are equipped carriers for your films oh isn't that nice when i was in syria there were two
people working on media relations ok they had relations with hollywood now there's a whole division involved in that could head into say the same way. all right thank you very much former cia analyst ray mcgovern thanks very much. it's now been nine months since the united states charged edward snowden with espionage and just one day after being charged his passport was revoked by the state department today to form a whistleblower spoke to the media about why they think the u.s. should lift the charges and reinstate his official documents archies america david reports. well today's civil liberties advocates came together at the national press club to call for change in the u.s. government's stance towards former and as a government contractor edward snowden if you see something say something. edward snowden saw something. and he said something in june of last year the u.s. justice department charged snowden under the espionage act for leaking scores of
national security documents but colleen rowley a former f.b.i. agent and whistleblower called that piece of legislation unconstitutional the last two sections of this one nine hundred seventeen s b a now she act were never ever enforced because there it's pretty well known that there are unconstitutional they were never enforced after ellsberg very rarely were they ever even attempted to be use even in truly cases now they're using it to keep the truth from coming out just one day after being charged with espionage snowden's passport was revoked by the state department shortly thereafter snowden flew from hong kong to moscow where he was ultimately granted a temporary one year asylum it's now been nine months since his passport was revoked and civil liberties advocates have said it has left him with very few options the u.s. government was directly complicit and responsible by confiscating and revoking
his passport for having him be stuck in the airport in moscow and be left with no other option no it is true to be fair that snowden did have another option he could have come back to the united states and gotten the kind of treatment that private manning got which was according to one you win report borderline if not over the border of torture the news conference today was sponsored in part by roots action an organization that's already put forward two different petitions related to the issue. one petition which now has over sixty four thousand signatures called on secretary john kerry to reinstate snowden's passport and the other petition called on the government to fully respect his legal right to seek political asylum redaction says it plans to present these two petitions which have a combined total of one hundred thousand signatures to the justice department and
the state department tomorrow morning but whether the obama administration is receptive to those petitions and the message of today's news conference remains to be seen in washington mary david r.t. . if you own a home then in many cases you own the expensive network of water pipes lying just beneath it that could have been there for many decades or even a century before you know it they've sprung a leak and it's costing you a fortune artie's mega lopez explains how america's deteriorating water pipes are quietly draining the nation of cash. i didn't say another whole wave here. this morning were. the words of. forty six right here. it certainly isn't the most glamorous job in the world but the pipe over to camera from there if. you're after zero one says the show's head south for the winter plumbing company for double this year business has been crazy it's been completely
out of it i'm going to make it the height of the high call volume because of the frozen temperature of the we're taking about twenty five or twenty six thousand phone calls per week out of those costs and they are facing a growing problem that is buried right underneath our feet much of america's one million miles of water pipe is in need of repair or replacement here in the u.s. the preferred about one every three minutes. two hundred forty thousand water main breaks every year and it's not just major pipe ruptures that are draining american resources annually leaking pipes will cost us seven trillion gallons of treated drinking water being lost into the ground every year as a customer you're paying for all the chemicals treated all the electricity to pump that water and. it's really just leaking right out pipes the american society for
civil engineers gave the u.s. drinking water system a d. in performance in its annual infrastructure report card if warned that fixing the system could cost more than a trillion dollars in the next two decades there's almost a perfect storm of systems that were designed to last one hundred years eighty years and fifty years all coming to the end of their design lives at the same time as. the east coast houses some of the oldest pipes in the country the water system here in alexandria started eight hundred fifty so there's quite a bit of history there and a lot of usage of those pipes. some of the most vulnerable pipe material at the moment is known as orangeburg that pipe beam is basically hard cod hard cardboard and over the years that cardboard just disintegrate to the point where it falls apart and that's the type of pipe you can't fix i would say the majority of pipe i'm replacing right now based on failure history was put in the ground during the
decade around world war two on the assembly line american industry is making the greatest production method in history the bahraini remembering part of the weapon. from what we can see the material really is not that it probably the best material everything went to the war effort. and it may not have been installed in the best fashion past decisions costing modern americans dearly now homeowners are responsible for all of the piping that is in and below their homes and in many cities what that means is it includes the sidewalk as well now once you get into the street that cost burden actually shifts to the water company which in turn charges its users in order for the repair and replacement of all pipes that are under the streets and with more of this piping actually reaching its expiration date now means that water bills have nowhere to go but up the pipes like so there are there crowding every day you know every week every month year after year i
think we have to ask ourselves what legacy are we going to leave behind for future . drinking water and other infrastructure systems and the longer we put off the problem the more difficult it will be to keep our heads above water in washington meghan lopez our team. that does a for now for more on the stories we've covered go to youtube dot com slash party america or check out our website r.t.e. dot com slash usa you can also follow me on twitter lindsay france for now have a great night. i'm.
terrified is the new book the man in the u.s. it's the catch all excuse for everything and i'm sick of it turns out u.s. district court judge rosemary collier is too she just wrote in a court ruling that the word terrorism does not tell as many and that the f.b.i. can't just use that word to keep information from the public good for you judge the case she was ruling on involves a foyer request about an insane plot to assassinate american protestor last year it came out that the f.b.i. was aware that an organization was planning on using snipers to assassinate leaders of the occupy wall street movement and then the leaders were notified and nothing
else seemed to be done about it so an mit doctoral student filed a spoiler request for more information because a plot to assassinate people who were just exercising their first amendment right to free speech it's not. when the student got the documents back to back the i the information was heavily redacted in shady ways for instance one of the sentences read and identified we've acted planned to engage in sniper attacks against protesters in houston texas if deemed necessary. who the hell would be murdering occupy protesters necessary beside law enforcement and if it were someone else like a banker or politician who felt like it was necessary to kill a protester then why wasn't the f.b.i. thoroughly investigating it they only had seventeen pages in total on the whole case and they only cost a five to meet the boy request and those were heavily redacted with the f.b.i. invoking their were old in investigating terrorism as
a reason for withholding so much information don't we have a right to know who the hell was plotting to murder protesters on u.s. soil that sounds like something we should know right at least judge collier certainly things the matter shouldn't just be dismissed by the f.b.i. saying the word terrorism and so now the f.b.i. has a few weeks to respond by either showing the judge the document or by submitting more information. nothing is enough with the government using the word terrorism to justify whatever the hell it feels like doing and now a real live judge has gone on record to say that to so no matter what else happens with the insanity of someone planning on murdering protesters i already consider this case a win for the people tonight let's talk about that by following me on twitter at the president.
there i'm marinating this is boom bust and these are some of the stories that we're tracking for you today. first up we're looking at the economic implications of an upcoming vote in scotland that will decide whether or not the birthplace of golf should remain a part of the united kingdom pretty fascinating stuff you can't miss it then my colleague edward harrison sat down with a steamed australian economist john quiggin to discuss the all the economy and an alternative way to think about fiscal policy you definitely can't miss that interview and finally mr harris and i are ready to walk away from the subject of and dodging this money just yet we talked about this a lot on the show last week and you the viewers out a lot of thoughts on the subject yourselves so we're picking up right where we left off in today's big deal it's all coming up and it all starts right now.
on september eighteenth of this year two thousand and fourteen scotland will vote on the question of whether or not it should become an independent country now about a third of the voting population in scotland believe that it's time to leave the united. and strike out on their own however perhaps a follow up vote should be cast on whether scotland should issue its own currency now the scottish government says that it will remain in the sterling area and in a monetary union with the u.k. however apparently they haven't cleared this with the u.k. treasury which has rejected the idea of such a union if of course scotland vote yes on september eighteenth now blackrock the
world's largest investment fund will issue a report next week which assesses the risks of independence for scotland and argues that the scots should mint their own coins now according to the b.b.c. the report argues that the currency union between an independent scotland and the rest of the u.k. looks quote infeasible and would bring risks to both countries so what are the economic consequences of scotland printing its own currency well for one thing in uncertain regulatory environment may encourage companies to move elsewhere however the cheaper cost of scotland might convince some companies to just stay put now here's an example the royal bank of scotland one of the two largest scottish banks has interests that may drive it to move operations to england first of all the majority of r.b.s. is business in england and wales and that west a wholly owned subsidiary of r.b.s. is the largest part of the bank's business portfolio so depending on what happens
with the currency nat west would have access to the bank of england's liquidity in england while r.b.s. might be shut out of a newly independent scotland does that mean that the royal bank of scotland becomes the royal bank of england those who want independence believe that scotland will thrive on its own but those against the proposition believe that scotland benefits from its relationship with england independence is a messy process and perhaps the problems created by a scottish pound might wind up bringing these aspirations back down to the ground whatever happens we'll be watching. today we have the wonderful economists from down under as a pretty horrible. but it's not all call as in kangaroos down under on boom bust
it's about economics and policy definitely right here first up john quiggin is an australian economist and professor at the university of queensland he's also a prolific writer and ranked in the top five percent of economists worldwide he's going to be on the show and in addition to writing his academic works john pens a blog at john quiggin dot com and is a frequent contributor to the blog good timber now quicken sat down with my colleague as word harrison to discuss his latest book zombie economics how dead ideas still walk among us and edward start off by asking questions about his beef with the view that markets always know best regardless of the problem here's what he had to say. well look at a bunch of ideas which in my view should it be. financial crisis that under the law at the current market liberalism. all of the certainly from the nineteen seventies until the crisis is still really does. pretty sorry discredit.
well tell you about little to go through some questions on australia with regard to that and maybe you can take me through that view surely you know the labor government which was the general election and they had said that they were very committed to a balanced budget over the next few years and presumably the new abbott government is also committed to that do you think that's a lot of bull fiscal goal. well it's important to remember that at the time of the vital financial crisis the. government led government which is enormous this time ensure security lives at a page of the school stimulus. as so that was certainly the right policy that tom it certainly seems to aim for it soon to to budget balance unfortunately i think in australia as elsewhere the debate got hijacked by people who civil war balances inherently does are all the time rather they aim at something which should be
achieved out of the won't live long term but isn't necessarily a political for example in periods like the complaint of you and your process and what do you think about right now for instance when we see that australia's economy seems to be slowing somewhat do you think that it's actually a good idea that we're going to have you know this move towards a balanced budget over time. well clearly it doesn't mike seems to push hard to balance a budget when the economy's is softening and indeed even though the razor edge of the abbott government is being very anti keynesian very much at the deference is always bad the game is always bad it's notable in so of off the record discussions that are actually backing away from making very take cats etc my own space in have that way too nasty we have this thing called emission of water which basically lines up the contacts that i have a lot to my we haven't seen yet the government set new governments this budget
which will say with a city push. essentially powers by geology aware that there are more flexible and actually recognize that that would be a dangerous thing to do ok well let me ask you now just going back for a little bit australia's grown for almost a quarter century now without a recession and some look back at the austerity measures in introduced by bob hawke and paul keating the government in eighty six and eighty seven which was stored the budget to surplus as the turning point for the economy will look to that government as a reformist government similar to say you know reagan in the united states with that or in the u.k. and they say the results were good for the long term of australia how do you feel about that. well as two separate points there really one of these is the austerity measures which were claimed as a source of success but a low had a long period where recession that that period of history was followed by every day
perceptions that we really had to. carry really the budget we dated back into into deficit we had a bit of can seem serious to get out of it so your idea there which certainly has been put forward in the european austerity that that the that the budget balancing of course caving sextine up i think is clearly nonsensical the broader issue of market going to form is a bit of a bit more of a mix fun there certainly so at least with right in on the other hand on the other hand the government didn't push for the ready to increase inequality that we saw under under a more mixed record there so it is something of a mixed bag sydney i think the popular mythology of late autumn and badly predicts that that this achieved cheech shoot chair at the end of its incidence of connectivity and it's this explains our long term in a long period without a recession i think is wrong the fact is that our network in
a way post in many languages have made the right call on those of the house in two or three with a recession. in the county gave a teacher in the asian financial crisis in not the ninety seven and they in aggregate large scale fiscal stimulus into and i will show you a graph here that i think is interesting it's actually about australia western europe and argentina. for century we can see western europe argentina and australia in terms of the g.d.p. per capita compared to the us and what i see here is it suggests that actually it was just the period after the keating period you know one nine hundred ninety when australia outperformed now. just not just argentina but also. western europe what's your view on the very clearly australia has outperformed in the period since the early ninety's and i would say that reflects the fact that we haven't had
a serious recession there here and there into it is to you to propose and you mention in the ninety nine recession that followed the austerity in eighty six and eighty seven do you think about was a direct result of the of the. the move to fiscal surplus that we saw the. no it wasn't it was really caused by mother ship policy there was an ad very ship very. sticky a tightening of monetary policy to new spirit which was sound motivated by concerns about inflation and inside ect. i was really mothership was the cause or section i'm going to make the point that the austerity measures. about war in general are to surplus which was seen as the take in the economy against this kind of thing hussein has made the economy sufficiently face of already could handle a big increase in interest rates and acting with it will. turn to the present day i want to go to europe in terms of austerity now austerity was implemented to move
the government budget deficit closer to balance do you think austerity works over the short or the long run to improve economic growth specifically in terms of europe but also in terms of your experience there australia. will clearly we're talking at two very different picture so in australia we've been moving towards budget balance which is broadly appropriate as the economy as the economy recovers and yet there any question really is is that wiped out at the right pace and the towards them i just alanson what we need to worry that incentives of a potential softening in they should go to europe introduce us to radio time of day process and of course attempt to satisfy his office in the short term and we can really say now belong to them with with five years of severe depression it we may get tax before your patch is out from the. that was economist and
professor of economics at the university of queensland john quiggin. time now for a very quick break but stick around because when we return we're bringing you part two of my interview with professor steve keen steve tells us about and dodging this money and what it means for our banking and monetary systems then edward harris and i continue the discussion in today's big deal and as we had a very quick break here a look at some of your closing numbers of the bell today sticker out.
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a strong no i'm single. welcome back we're continuing now with the second part of our interview with australian economist stephen keen now recently the bank of england introduced a whole generation to the term and dodginess money and professor keene helped explain what exactly and dodging this money is and what it means for the banking and monetary systems take a look at what he had to say. it's not so much a secret as that is a reality obscured by in this and the trouble is that conventional economic theory which you can take back as that is fairly smart and has done back around the seventeen hundreds develop this vision of money as gold money as a commodity when it was obvious through the use of things like tele sticks which are part of the history of england monetary system that money was actually
a promise and so this myth got in grained in economic slow it long before the current school of economics that dominates the the profession today even existed and they continued that practice of trading money is lost commodity and they're full subject to the same old roles of supply and demand that the new students for an economic schools supposed to apply to apples is an ample gagne's and so on so the mists has obscured reality and you can draw brought us from central banks like ireland back in not in sixty nine making the same kind of strongest still conventional economist ringing in monetarist policies when milton friedman's old right age saying no that's not how things work banks loans and loans create the poses and they simply won't listen to their so what the bank of england doing is doing here and i definitely wanted to off my cap to them but doing it is shouting as loudly as possible saying economists like the old vision of how money operates is a myth and you need to have economics placed on the reality that banks create money
by creating lines. now you add a bit of a rout with paul krugman over this very issue about two years ago krugman called me and dodging his money crowd at banking mistakes and you have a point in words for that view now krugman also said that banks create money what's the distinction between your conceptualizations of the monetary system there. well the main difference is that proven is that he's actually changes soon a bit in. place say by finally admitting in one paper that banks create create money by creating loans. this is massively constrained and irrelevant and you can continue modeling the economy as if banks lend out the reserves they have and that's the conventional model will the money model on model that people think happens right now that you know you go put a hundred dollars in the bank the bank and something ten dollars lends out ninety and then that money gets deposited in other banks and they have gone to nine wounded eighty one and so on and you finally get ten thousand dollars being created
from one hundred dollars deposit that's what they teach students in your economics and that's what they believe through at the level of brueggemann and that's a simple little model which means they can believe it or not leave bankers dead and money out of the macroeconomic models they used to try to interpret which way the economy is going to go in the future then they simply don't want to change is what they've been doing for fifty years they don't want to change that practice that's why they didn't see this financial process coming and that's why they have no idea why it happened so it's it's unfortunately they're hanging on to a myth because they prefer a set of beliefs to the incurable reality that the world bank of england is now setting very very loudly so i have faith money isn't used by the fractional reserve banking system to pair made up credit what purpose do reserves have. they fundamentally they when you go shopping at somebody else's at a retail shop and you bought something and they the bank that you know that the
shelf at your barn from puts its money in a different bank so if you say you bank with bank of america and your shop let's say wal-mart which might bank with. merrill lynch one of the not a bank of the world at all there are not used american banking names so well ok when that happens if you say you want to buy something for a thousand dollars and you've got ten thousand dollars in your account then of course you go at the pass to do. to buy that objects but what actually has to happen between its banks is that a thousand dollars of money has to be taken out of your deposit account with bank of america and put into a wall not supposed to count with merrill lynch now that depends not on the money in your account but it is on the on the reserves now if it's possible let's say that because they want to minimize the cost of caring reserves of people many of their assets in income earning assets rather than stuff that whoppers as that does those then of watching come let's say that the old the bank of america only has
five hundred dollars in its total reserves. in the system and for us that the reserves have to be there to enable the exchange then even though you had ten thousand dollars in your account because there's only five hundred dollars of reserves with the bank of america you'll push it would be to climb to the wall not . now cos we don't want that happening on daily basis so what happens is the banking system lets the bank that doesn't have enough reserves borrow them from another bank or borrow them from the central bank and this whole level of reserves responds to what you're doing in your shopping so rather than reserves controlled and you not have money in the economy turnover of money between individuals controls the allocation of reserves between banks and the overall system but fundamentally those reserves are a bust up they're not actually of the financial system of the economy. similar like that analogy i'm just going to change our merrill lynch to citi bank because i
believe that b. of a owns merrill and now. it's a perfect analogy now i want to look at those central banks in the system what's the purpose of the central bank in the sovereign currency area and basically what i mean is it is it the government's bank a government lender of last resort to or both. well it's a but lender of last resort to the government but it's also the guarantee that the financial system won't break down if you didn't have a central bank backing the operations of the commercial banks in the situation all given you if you wanted your you knew borrowing money you having money to buy something from the shop the banks in another bank and you'll bank on having reserves and i have done i will that transferred of a that would mean that on a daily basis you wouldn't be able to go shopping on the show bank had enough reserves and that would cause chaos in the payment system so the fundamental role of the central bank is to back up the payment system of the commercial banks profit banks the secondary role which is one they have not been fulfilling properly is to
back that the past city of the government to run a deficit when it needs to share and this isn't the other thing we have to get strike the government needs to run the deficit most of the time because the economy is growing and running and when most of the time and running a deficit when the economy is growing is a bit like a bank lending out more than it gets back and repayments and therefore expanding the money supply matching the expansion of the economy so if we have said obsessed about keeping the government at it is zero deficit or even a surplus we're actually taking money out of the economy using the government system while the government is borrowing and that's a stupid way to run on the continent. that was macro economist professor steve keen time now for today's big deal.
it's a big deal and i'm joined as always by edward harrison today we're discussing dodginess money. love that word now that we just saw is to king's interview and i want to get your thoughts on. point i think that we should go over some of the points that you made about what the bank of england had to say their piece you know i kind of find it frustrating that you present the issues and then people they get into their you know their ideological. you know you didn't present the issues. when really you just showed them it was so i think would be good for us to go over this and this is some pretty esoteric stuff it's not easy so let's read a few lines from the bank of england's piece and have you comment on appeal ok i am still a little iffy on the subject it's it's crazy and it's interesting but so here's the first one commercial banks create money in the form of bank deposits by making a new book when a bank makes a loan for example to someone taking out
a mortgage to buy a house it does not typically do so by giving them thousands of pounds worth of bank notes instead credits their bank accounts with a bank deposit of the size of the mortgage at that moment new money is created and for this reason some economists have referred to bank deposits as found and money created at the stroke of banker's pens when they approve loans and we have some charts on this no because this is kind of choppy oh yeah ok so look at these charts here let's look at the central bank one for ok and. take a look at this let's look at the balance sheets of both banks and consumers and what you'll notice when you look at the banks and then the consumers is that both the celts increase but a loan is made. right there you can see that banks don't see lindau deposits no one has heard the positive debit because someone else took out a loan that's not the way it works at all. new deposits are created when the banks so that's what you see from those charts it's just it's like
a chicken or the egg theory if you like which came first it's just another way of looking at a topic that we know well but a lot of people think that you actually have to have the money in the bank before the bank makes the loan they think that you're constrained by deposits and that's and that's not the way it works and it's very important understand that in terms of understanding how money gets created in the economy how does this relate to our capital requirements. actually go to get there. now ok let's look at number two now just taking out a new one creates money the repayment of bank loans destroys money for example suppose a consumer has spent money in the supermarket throughout the month by using a credit card each purchase made using the bill in full at the end of the month it's bank would reduce the amount of deposits in the consumer's account i think value of credit by the value of the credit card bill thus destroying all of the newly created money and thoughts. the wording was a little bit where you are very great is very british the same thing here reverse
the broad money supply decreases when people repay a low end of story you paid the bill and then suddenly. you know that money is not their money is destroyed deposits because that's the story and that's why you saw policymakers frantically trying to get credit flowing again because they understood reflexive lou what do you leveraging means it means money destruction that's not to say that money destruction is a bad thing it's just important understand that that's how it works it sounds really nefarious which is why i think people get all worked up about it but let's look at number three now in reality this is what the bank of england sets of its british just bear with me and reality neither our reserves a binding constraint on lending nor does the bank of england fix the amount of reserves that are available as with. relationship between deposits and loans the relationship between reserves and loans typically operate in a reverse way so that described in some economic textbooks banks first decide how much to lend a penny on the profitable lending opportunities available to them which will crucially depend on the interest rate set by the bank of england it is these
lending decisions that's that determine how many bank deposits are created by the banking system and talk to me so we did some charts up here. i want to show them this is the fractional reserve fallacy of the money multiplier the central bank is the monopoly supplier of reserves ok so the central bank targets the price of those reserves that's the interest rate the fed funds rate to hit that target the central bank must supply the banks with all the reserves that they desire at that rate of failure to supply the reserves of the banks want means failure of payment just like steve keen was talking about two seconds ago and or even means of phil to hit their target meaning the fed funds rate goes above target so in the end what we are seeing here is that banks are in reserve constrained their capital constrained reserves are about the money multiplier they make the payment system function just say well actually that that's my question about capital requirements how does that work out to the constraints we were talking about the banks have
a lower capital requirement than the average company and you look at the average company were four to one lever that would be pretty lover banking be like ten to one of the cases in between you know quarters we were talking about things like thirty to one actual thirty to one you know using this tiered capital ratio requirement so that's hugely. levered and that's what we're talking about now is that capital it goes away because of losses that's ed we're out of time but i'm sure this is the last time we're talking about this thank you as always that's all for now but you can see all segments featured in today's show on you tube at you tube dot com slash boom bust r t we also love hearing from you check out our facebook page facebook dot com slash members are to meet us at around eight and we're. and it's from all of us here a boom bust thanks for office the next time now.
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welcome to larry king our special guest is eight god musicians songwriter producer activist five time grammy nominated multi platinum selling artist a con a sold over thirty five million albums worldwide his name is attached still forty five billboard top one hundred songs he's collaborated with everyone from michael jackson the whitney houston to lady gaga and little wayne he. named billboard's artist of the year the american music awards best male r. and b. artist has three world music awards to his name a gun also notably holds the official regulars the world's best selling ring tone artist and word for egg on the world might never of known lady gaga i get that name actually middle name. you know middle name of the often used you have it just says
there's an awesome and utilizes name from a given in a team what would you versioning. it's madness and like exam but. you didn't want to be in the music business well it wasn't. it wasn't an idea it was more of a hobby you know music which is very fun and i never thought it would actually be something i would be doing from form from a career standpoint and you had some problems early on right oh yes some time in prison would rather believe that what out of the rebound happened you would just get a ten year plan when i got out i had a ten year plan that i wrote when i was in there i would have planned accomplish can i come up you know the goal to stay out of trouble and not come back into that environment so i had to have a plan not to trouble you know so ultimately that goal became of course i started convict music which was supposed to be a concept there were real rehabilitate comics coming out and utilise a talent that they have and they just sprung into this huge entertainment enterprise so before prison no music was in your head not definitely not in
a way of making money from it it was more of the hobby so what happened but what was your big break. the big break actually was good lotta believe it or not there is blame it well fortunately for me my concept was always thinking big and before get a lot of my goal was to be rich by any means necessary so the bank. that's one million dollars is there the risky work what was scary was that that thought crossed my mind a couple times before. ultimately was like ok how do i do it and get away with it and just made a lot of bad decisions you know in the getting locked up which saved my life well gee a lot of four actually i got a lot of for a stolen car and conceal weapon how much time did you do and that doing six and a half months for that. the judge is actually lighter on me and start the potential
so out of the expo that was there a break give the first solo artist to simultaneously hold the number one and number two spots on the billboard hot one hundred that would guess you wouldn't guess that for someone coming out of it was absolutely not what did it. i think it was more the dr and costly recording costly when you know just working towards that plan to one day work with michael jackson and become the biggest are others that you didn't know him i don't know if you want to work with them that was the time i was at the top of my goal as if i can shoot for the sky you know lisa you said goals high absolute you were from senegal originally said i was to live there were a twelve game doobie nose in st louis missouri. and then there until i moved into florida than to new jersey before you know the old music thing tell me about this we're going to bring electricity the african homes. that is. one of my biggest dreams really to you know supply africa will it just you know
i've always felt that the need for electricity has been the biggest problem why the infrastructure itself hasn't it's no electricity none and so many areas really we're going to include it in like every major african country has electricity in the city but in the rule areas are completely dark and that's where the population really reside so how do you go about doing this well the biggest problem we realize it was more of a financial issue why those areas were lit up so we had to find a solution and we decide to go with solar energy which would be the most cost effective way to light up those rule areas that we did you have an organization or a laugh two parters that i'm involved with and one is children young these are also are sending out another one to some of the chili was out of mali and we're like very young entrepreneurs who just see the future for what we think africa should be have you brought some sort of you're ready yes we've populated lit up mali.
where we did and then our gracious and the reception of those people just confirmed that we need to be doing a lot more this you shooting for what one million homes one million dollars but for fourteen how do people there watching want to help well ultimately you can log on a lighting africa dot com and get all the information on how you can be a part and be involved take on lighting of regret dot com yes the obama administration i'm told has pledged seven billion dollars to bring your cursory access to africa are you working together actually we're looking to go meet with the obama and we're trying that's another high goal that we're doing but i figure when we start moving in actually see that this is actual initiative that's actually making a difference. one of them is organizational fuel call as the united states government done anything yet not at the moment now when there was this pledge made its pledges made twenty five months ago so would you expect a dime deserved to go through this in the budget been right as devil in their
budget here is to get it approved one would think you'd want to sit down with you or some of the administration sit down with the hope accomplish that no absolute there would be amazing where you said goals very high you think dreams you think well it's going to happen the way we set the goals we reached out to all the entrepreneurs that's in africa recent you know now and abroad to come in and help on this you know initiative so but the the goal is to do a partner private partner. partnership with the government along with the people as well to help move this initiative forward of you've been back a lot we have go back maybe maimed three months three times out the year and what is it like trying to picture what's it like to be without electricity and how do you know anyone can i would think you know we're going to magine that you know the look at the simplest you know necessity is what we take for granted for here you know but you have to stand these people live and been living like that for years
and a comfortable really are content with that because that's all they know so when you bring electricity to a small village like that we actually see that is actually real the man. the excitement is what you know the kid website again is a con lighting africa dot com. dot com you're going to release an album this year yeah we're planning on releasing albums in four years and yeah i'm white what what what what are you been doing other than lighting africa or other letting africa been just creating new acts you know i built my career of building other people's careers why i don't know i just always love the concept of you know collaboration's because it always expanded to brand bigger than you ever expect or you imagine earlier part of your plan was to work with michael jackson yeah that come about man it was the wildest thing i just was driving my car one day and received a phone call from his attorney stating that might want to meet with me to work on a rerelease of the thriller album and you already had
a hit out on you yet at that time it was pretty established so where jimmy to. a met him in vegas. and i think the minute they went hotel and everything is a production of my life from the moment i walked in he was facing backwards in the chair speech right. and i. what i didn't realize just how much an amazing person he was in larry is i mean we laughed half the day goes oh brilliant you know he's a brilliant guy you know what i'm told that brendan how do you know brandon howard yeah it's coming out as michael son and you know that story yeah what is it what it . does lead believe it who's the mother i haven't met the mom yet but you believe who is brandon howard he's in younger in a tailor looks like mike sounds like mike you would thought it was might really know literally when i mean or mike's mannerisms when i see him. i can't i can
believe was he had me it's not yet willie well bizzle michael because of his well i'm definitely getting some hits where were you when you heard that michael had died i was actually on a tour bus. for i was sitting was going through what i thought was a joke at first and i understood him believe it you know just a joke like mike doesn't die is impossible what work did you do with michael. i did . want to be starting something over. there a couple i'm finished records one is almost done. but that will have something in in the house might be. back for me one day i hope when i get it we get a chance to release it so you got him on tape yeah ok that's pretty newsy and we did hold my hand which is a record that we did together compilation hold my hand yeah. is lady gaga would you
call her a modern day michael she's definitely a modern day legend for sure she was signed a multiple labels before you were nothing was happening what did you do that they weren't doing i just listened. you know sometimes with artists you just have to listen to their vision and it's so simple because they know better than anybody would it is they're trying to represent and bring across and all you have to do is become the support system and support that what is her she's been on the show on the show when i was on c.n.n. she drove a girl mazing what is her talent her talent she's a visionary and a great marketer no amazing marketer and she understands the today's technology and how it effects and how it moves forward as well too so that's he was two for what's your relationship with her now she was like my little sister she really is she run our own label she probably ones own career. she really is geno's exactly what she wants and what she's doing so what do you do for me i'm more of an advisor now than
anything so i'm available for whatever means you've been call r. and b. hip hop dance what is the a cons is just world international music you know i never really could find a john with that i can place myself in because i just do everything i just love music in general some all over the place you enjoy as much collaborating with other artists singing yourself absolutely the flood is a collaboration believe it or not you know because that experience alone it just opens the door for so many other things to do and it's just so fun you like to do everything absolutely. you still have goals one person was a goal oriented never stops having not so true man that's true. other than electricity in africa what's a musical goal you still have musically not honestly after michael jackson i felt that goal was done the next goal now is to buy universal music group you want to buy the universal music or are they for sale not yet but it will be everyone has
a price are you going to have to put together a group or do you have the bread of these go be a mixture of both i would bet you're going to do it. a promise and i will. let up next we're going to talk about the n.f.l. is recent ban on the n word they have nothing to officially banned it will find out what that means for music will be right back. if it was a complete theory hard to take a. look at on here the clock happy that we're back with the earthquake we're looking to.
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the n.f.l. is banning the n word meaning a referee hears someone use it on the field friendly argumentative or what is a fifteen yard penalty you do that really is interesting and makes us poor little more difficult when you. i think that the idea well i think it gives the word too much power you know i always felt that when you give words power it becomes like our generation we use it loosely in a basic normal conversation so it wasn't black black on black you know again dislike that white well get this batiks also use and i got a couple for white friends of also use it coming up in jersey the even a town is used but we never looked at it as a word of insult unfortunately we just never really i think words when you give it
power that's what it holds you know we just don't look at it that way what about it in music it doesn't offend you in rap records and the like unfortunately doesn't offend me i don't know if is if it's a bad thing to say it doesn't offend me but it just it really doesn't offend me you know and it does a lot of people yeah i know but i think that's that's. power that you give that necessary don't that you can hold for yourself so you think the n.f.l. and banning it is actually pretty good for it's only going to put more forward when you tell people not to do things they do it even more when blacks using fellow company it's done all of them complimentary right yeah i mean it's like how you say homie oh man that's my disc you only did six that have more months in jail right now but it's kind of a short term so i have to be in jail is terrible man listen that's a long time. no one tells you one day is a long time all you're doing is recycling it over and over and over for how many years they gave you but that's not none to play with you were in the water prison
or jail i was in the county jail so prison i think it's a long time before you can get there year or more yeah but now the county is worse and this long stretch does their wheeling here was a guy me i was in the cab county in atlanta georgia and after that a county was in new jersey owns the worst thing about it the worst thing about it was not being able to do what you want to do when you want to do it is the constraint of just not being able to move still worst the united states is the largest jailer in the world twenty five percent of the world's prison population is in this country and there's a lot of studies go on of it maybe we're too quick to put people behind bars maybe there should be mandatory sentencing what are your thoughts on the prison system well the prison system is to me as more of a business than the actual or private elimination of that you know if it was more of a real rehabilitation or unit then i think you'll see better results of people coming out with
a set up for them to go right back in you think it's racist i definitely think it's racist to show more african-americans oh you're more african american is not analyser for sure about marijuana legalized they sure did that a long time ago when you got out of prison the first thing you did then you get a job what do you do the first thing i did was go buy a double cheeseburger from a da. you miss the food more than anything as the crave and you know. you know that i want to go visit a couple friends and i want straight implement my plan what was the first thing you'd do bid to implement it go to the studio and record the songs that i wrote while i was inside your songs become a hit locked up was written in their midst a lonely ghetto trouble nobody. i want to love you. don't matter because you very much a lot of my early years were written for the net and you get a lot of fights in jail scott and sue you know how you're treated by the guards the
guys love me i was i was pretty cool with the gods that's the first thing you do is make friends with the guards because you're going to pay to be an enemy you're only going to be any good you can not win what do you think that what or are you consider yourself or you hip hop you dumb i was definitely i would say i was definitely brought up from the hip hop roots you know because even when i do pop records it has to have that bottom in it that i had to in a way that you're a great example of the american dream coming true now thank you lou i think you're all model role model well like it or not i think i am for sure holding twenty young or deserving that means no matter how old i get i'm always be. like that you could be twenty five or forty five i could be you could. right absolutely not that's the curse in this business because the moment they know your age the countdown begins ten years from the point your career is over are you money
driven now used to be though cause used to be now not what's the drive now you want to get allows about a legacy now it's about what that i do and how will i be remembered when it's over . are you confident use been so successful in your goals that you will for want of a better word electrifying africa absolutely because you feel like if i've ever seen you. sure you made some comments recently suggesting that men are not meant to be monogamous on a labrador that well i'll just begin from an honest male's perspective for me i'm not as big bald men but i know of all men were cloned to be me just ask your married are you monogamous in marriage no. is your wife family they just knows me she loves me for who i am would bother you if she were not
monogamous yes i would so it's a double standard absolutely not because men and women are the same a woman just don't wake up one day and say ok when i'm asleep with that guy but i do wake up when he has i'm asleep that one. human arrow of a lot of. children yeah would you care if they ruled their way to would mine well what i do i try to teach them life take a nature into account i think a lot of rules a built without nature being taken into account and that's what creates the conflict we have some social media questions for you aaron capture on facebook is a con lighting africa reaching sierra leone yes we actually left sierra leone and sierra leone as one of the countries that were lighting up. abraham babie via facebook wants to know how many countries in africa the project will benefit i think is going to benefit every country we touch right now we're starting with nine and then we can expand as as those done well mean you'll for ten via twitter wants
to know if you're still making money with lady gaga and fortunately i'm still making money unfortunately or fortunately well it's kind of unfortunate because now it's such. it's really hard to explain you know i mean it's one of the situations where i've got so in gulf by that you know i mean that the opportunity was more important to me than that money you'd rather not be involved financially whether you're up of open for to be just more of a mentor than push too much pressure well it's a definite lot of pressure it definitely is so with the money becomes demand and yeah it not only becomes demands but it also puts a lot of tension between a relationship between the two because of that part of it you think it will straighten out i think it will for sure bryson logs on facebook what's your greatest accomplishment my greatest accomplishment was meet michael jackson and
work with him and via facebook bradley so all i want to know what we're working on with michael right before he died we was workin on hold my hand who wrote it i wrote and produced and we play a little game called if you only knew the first girl you ever kissed. i can remember her name was it in senegal it was actually it's that so you're less you under twelve yeah now we start early in africa you know you live in atlanta right i live in atlanta here you like living in a lab i love a little three adjectives to describe you. better go on well i guess one obviously goal oriented. else a goal oriented risk taker definitely adventuresome you know me
pretty well. there's still some things i haven't figured out. peeve pet peeve what bugs you liars. need to. band your fans would be surprised to learn you listen to my parents and i love those guys mumford and sons sons of a clothing store. because that was a preset ago in america the biggest difference between selling on a reserve. that you rather time travel or space travel space travel up and coming artist you're most excited about harley celebrity crush. with you that must be a multitude deck thing is really not. the answer.
i can't say that. even if it was i would say that i was here today and makes me think of other things or game. thing that keeps you up at night. business guilty pleasure. what. a joy when you spurge on clothes actually cars spend too much money on cars you stole one and now you just buy a new says exactly i think that's what it was the fact that i couldn't afford it before now that i can i just want to avoid what's your latest car my latest cars a tesla. they great i love those quolls they go fast no they're amazing and they don't stop a guest. who inspires you the most my dad if you weren't in the music industry what do you think you'd be doing about to be a detective a detective it sounds from the prison experience yeah now you want to catch them.
tell me. tell me something no one knows about you them a great shift. any style of cooking. any and everything i have that moment as a piece you know hell of a man i got it thanks to my guest a gun you could learn more about his work in africa at w w w dot com lighting africa broadcom remember you can find me on twitter at kings things i'll see you next time. i know c.n.n. m s n b c fox news have taken some not slightly but the fact is i admire their commitment to cover all sides of the story just in case one of them happens to be accurate. that was funny but it's close and for the truth and might
think. it's because when full attention and the mainstream media works side by side the joke is actually on we're. going to have. at our teen years we have a different brain. because the news of the world is not this funny i'm not laughing dammit i'm not gonna. get. you guys to the jokes i will hand over the stuff that i'm. i'm the president and i think a society that case i think corporation kind of can get to consume because you can do. the banks are trying to get all that all about money and i'm actually sick for the politicians writing the laws and regulations to tax corporate bankers
everyone i'm out and this is breaking it says so there's been a display a lot of discussion about media ownership lately and the six corporations that control ninety percent of americans see in the mainstream to state run media outlets it can be hard for consumers to know where their information comes from but on the flip side there are some sources that are embarrassingly blatant enter the richmond standard small online newspaper in california according to grist the journalism site focuses on local means sports and community crime oh yeah and positive news about shop run see the online rag is entirely funded by the oil giant chevron and gives its paymaster a special section called chevron speaks falsely claiming to be the first community driven daily news source in the last twenty five years the richmond standard has
also plucked mainstream journalists to editorialize for the publication of one such example is mike dex formally a crime reporter for the san francisco examiner who is now at school at the standard. defending chevron as you can see was pretty gleeful about chevron coming out on top and it's lawsuits against ecuadorian rainforest that it dumped toxic pollution for fifty years in two thousand and twelve another chevron refinery exploded in retrograde in richmond as a result of decades of criminal negligence so it's no wonder why the only good p.r. about the company is coming from itself and let's break this. please. please. please very hard to take. that back with that there are those.
in a time where government surveillance and online spying are par for the course it's no surprise that some americans want to opt for a more private lifestyle away from the tech driven habits of modern consumerism going off the grid is a growing trend among people who want to limit their carbon footprint and don't want to be indebted to oil water and gas companies and wall to nearly impossible feat to estimate the exact number of americans currently living this alternative lifestyle according to a two thousand and six study by a home power magazine some hundred eighty thousand families live off grid that
figure that has jumped thirty three percent every year for a decade and you know it doesn't seem like that would pose much of a threat after all thousands of homes supply in their own power puts less strain on the existing power grid however we can't have someone living outside the matrix which is why there is a concerted effort to crack down on this type of the state of living is exactly what happened last year at the garden of eden community in arlington texas which was raided by a swat officers and while the community wasn't shut down permanently the police raided signal but state opposition to an off the grid lifestyle is very real this is also been the case for. spareness florida woman who redesigned her house to be fully self-sustaining collecting rainwater and using solar power to run her appliances but this didn't sit too well with city officials in cape coral florida who took robin to court demanding that should be hooked up to the city's electrical and sewer services what's worse is that the judge in this case harold s. ken recently ruled that spareness is in fact required by law to hook up to the
city's water system in other words she was found guilty of not choosing to be dependent on corporations for the basic services she was already providing for herself makes perfect sense but fairness is only one of many of these types of cases occurring all over the country and it's no surprise considering the growing trend of people wanting to escape modern society in oregon sixty five year old gary harrington was actually sends to thirty days in jail and fined fifteen hundred dollars for simply collecting rain water city officials cited in one nine hundred twenty s. law that gave the county full ownership of runoff water line him with nine misdemeanor charges because apparently you need a license to own the rain area standing in front of one of the illegal ponds on his property and just last year after refusing to destroy his ponds harrington was found in violation of the law yet again for appropriating water without a permit this landed him yet another jail sentence only this time it was for ninety
days. listen sort of cracking down on these people they should be commended and serve as examples for the rest of us and how we can all live more sustainable and potentially more fruitful lives because cooperation with nature might be the last chance we have to save the planet for ourselves and it's an activity that should never be punished by utility companies that do just the opposite. paying attention to the overwhelming amount of negativity in the world know how the bill attaining it can be just simply being aware conscious and critical thinking citizen between fukushima catastrophic climate change economic collapse and loss of war the sheer magnitude of problems facing humanity could be traumatizing to say the least is a rapid earthly changes can result in so many ups and downs that sometimes just
existing as a human in the world can feel schizo frantic indeed as the longest sense john michael brewer elucidates the technical dimension of our predicament is less important than the dimension because until we address the inner we are doing no worse than the severity of our situation this theme of finding our inner peace and strength in order to deal with the impending collapse of modern capitalism elucidates carol big baker's work author of collapse in consciously baker and says that we need to reframe the discussion by creatively embracing the collapse of industrial civilization instead of living in denial that it's even happening earlier i was joined by carolyn and i first asked her why she predicates her work on the notion that collapse is indeed an ethical. well you know since about two thousand i've been researching the collapse of industrial civilization looking at energy economics in environment and prior to that time i thought that we were looking at a lot of disparate problems with no connecting thread but i came to realize that
our industrial civilized way of life is actually crumby crumbling because the stories on which it was created are themselves raveling and i don't see that this is necessarily a bad thing i think this is a time of death and rebirth it's going to be painful but it's also replete with opportunities for the transformation of human consciousness the opportunity to create new cultures and new communities there just isn't any way back you can't have internet growth on a finite planet well in the book you say that positive thinking. become become the quads i religion of industrial civilization and the failure to maintain it tantamount to treason talk about how you came to this conclusion. well if we look at it at the collapse of industrial civilization and what's actually going on we have to ask ourselves how did we participate in creating this planet
murdering soul murdering monster of the empire what needs were we trying to fulfill what emotional wounding and spiritual void did we think that empire could resolve how did we allow empire to colonize us in the way that it's colonized all indigenous people around the world and very importantly what tools do we need to and colonize ourselves not positive thinking one of the most important tools that we can utilize is to consciously explore our emotions in relation to how we feel about this demise there are emotions like fear anger grief and despair in the face of this collapse caroline your you know the spiritual crisis that you speak of how much of this refusal to accept the unsustainable nature of modern capitalism has to do with the denial of mortality and. well very much so you know i like to look at this in terms of i like to reframe this really in terms of a planetary rite of passage which is kind of
a little thin you know in preparation for the big death and indeed indigenous cultures the purpose of a rite of passage was to cause the young person to reach down inside themselves and discover their truest core that not only help them survive the ordeal but become mature men and women who could create a strong vibrant interdependent community in their tribe so that's what i see as experiencing in the larger picture at this time and that has everything to do with preparing us for our we're dealing with our own mortality and as i want to talk was an emotional resilience there to. but how one can flex their mental mine to process negativity easier and kind of go over some essential tools to prepare for societal on raveling. well you know in two thousand and eleven i published navigating the coming chaos a handbook for inner translation which is a tool box that really laid out that we have a right where we are because we've lost touch with the eternal the sacred the
greater self within us and that eternal self knows itself to be connected with all life with all matter with all beings with all that is and because we lost touch with the terminal at our core we begin believing that we're separate from all other beings and as a result we started embracing competition and domination rather than cultivating relationships as the most ego satisfying way to be in the world so i believe that unless and until we rediscover this secret in our core we're going to continue creating industrial industrially civilized empires that will eventually destroy the planet and all life on it and you talk about in the book you know learning a variety of skills getting involved actively and locally getting to know your neighbors. and your communities carol and as we know every society functions on social cultural or religious myths what meth will replace the american dream once it falls apart. we'll that's
a really good question industrial civilization has been based on a number of myths that have to do with horowitz she meant based on domination of course the american dream is a classic of that it's been all about so worrying and endless rising to the top infinite growth on a finite planet but you know in greek mythology we have a story of icarus who's wings were made of wood of wax and who was obsessed with flying high but flew too close to the sun and as a result his wings melted any fell to the earth and this myth is very similar to what's happening to industrial civilization. right now our soaring is actually causing the destruction of the earth and we're being destroyed alongside everything else that we're destroying we're now facing catastrophic climate change which may result in a few places on earth being have not habitable in thirty fifty years so whether or not we survive physically is less important than the lessons we learned in this
rite of passage some of which have to do with cooperation creating community and experiencing the extent to which were all interesting interdependently connected with all life carol i want to get your opinion on the notion of willful blindness i've talked to margaret half an author of the book on a show before about the notion of kind of this willful ignorance that heron's to myths as being human nature intrinsically do you agree that this is just part of being human we just don't want to look at anything that points in a downward direction you know we got this belief that everything is getting better and better all the time and we can we hold on to this belief even as things are crashing around us it's very disturbing to look at collapse head on unless you have the tools with which to do still and that's what i offer in my books and in my work why is meditation such an integral part of your message. well because it is part of
that going inside it is part of that finding out who we really are and you know one of the questions that i often get in i think you were going to present to me at some point is you know how do we redefine hope will hope is the word that i try not to use very much because in this culture it's become a form of passive eighty in which we hope that some politician or a movement will see this and it keeps us invested in the old paradigm and the mythology of the american dream i believe that one of the purposes of our planetary passage is a loss of that kind of hope that kind of hope is what i call hope and. it's highly addictive there is no hope in the old paradigm what we need is to inspire each other and create options for ourselves and our communities you need to should we should be using every opportunity to create joy and beauty in our lives at the same time that we're looking at collapse hit on thank you so much for the stark yet lucid analysis carolyn baker author of collapse in consciously. thank you abbi
birth control is nearly as old as civilization itself as early as fifteen fifty b.c. egyptian women would mix dates the leaves in honey into a paste and smeared over one an effort to avoid conception of course we've come a long way since then and now many and now have many safe effective and reliable ways for women to plant her vent excuse me on planned pregnancies from condoms to
the pill today american women depend on these methods to ensure that they can fully protect their bodies that have a choice when it comes to the serious decision of having a child of course it was far from easy to get to this point when margaret sanger open america's first family planning clinic in brooklyn in one thousand sixteen it was shut down just ten days later sanger would go on to found the precursor organization of planned parenthood but it wasn't until nineteen thirty eight but a federal judge lifted the obscenity ban on contraception but even then birth control measures remain illegal in almost every state and it wasn't until nine hundred sixty five the supreme court struck down multiple state laws prohibiting the use of contraception for married couples today birth control is as effective as ever and as a primary reason why less and less women are having abortions in this country in fact a study released last month by the group maker institute showed that today's abortion rate is at its lowest point since one nine hundred seventy three and in two thousand and eleven there were fewer than seventeen abortions for every one
thousand women and today birth control remains more acceptable than ever in fact polls from two thousand and twelve and two thousand and thirteen by the national campaign to prevent teen and unplanned pregnancy showed that at least seventy percent of americans demand that birth control be made free and easily accessible this is why a pair of cases heard before the supreme court earlier today are so important and could potentially reverse the decades of progress women have made in this arena the two cases sebelius v hobby lobby and sebelius view conestoga woods and evolve the affordable care act to mandate that employers must cover all forms. birth control free of charge the two plaintiffs involved in these cases argue that they shouldn't have to provide their employees contraceptives like the plan b. pill otherwise known as the morning after pill or are you deeds these two businesses are run by evangelical christian families and claim that they are exempt from coverage because of a one nine hundred ninety three law called the religious freedom restoration act
which states that quote the government shall not substantially burden a person's exercise of religion even if the burden results from a rule of general a pledge ability interesting that once again corporations are relying on the law that covers people and apply it to themselves take a listen to what one activist said about this notion outside of the supreme court today. they just want to make sure that corporations are treated as free and also that everyone's really the liberty and well they just. have very little and then we have a clip of your. house once again corporate personhood is rearing its ugly head perhaps most disturbing is the larger precedent this case might set if the supreme court rules in favor of the plaintiffs as women's rights activist sandra fluke writes corporations are not people corporations cannot have religious views if religious rights are extended to corporations it puts us on a slippery slope where any private company could argue that religious beliefs
prevent it from offering vital employee protections indeed private corporations are allowed to exclude birth control from their health care coverage then they can also claim exemptions for vaccines or prescription drugs of any kind due to religion unfortunately according to some reports many of the justices appear to hostile toward the obama administration's arguments for the birth control law including justice anthony kennedy who is often the swing vote in the deeply part of some court so for now we can only hope that we don't regress and the fight to control our own bodies and that this court asserts once and for all the birth control is not a privilege but of right. chris . hughes lost. in january two thousand and eleven the f.b.i. filed a criminal complaint against an american and hacker name andrew horne hammer better
known as online pseudo name we the charges related to we've exposing a flaw within an eight hundred eighty public server which led to the scraping of data to some one hundred fourteen thousand i pad users but instead of being lauded for exposing the security flaw we was charged with conspiracy of the nine hundred eighty six computer fraud and abuse act and was sentenced to forty one months in prison just last week before facing sentencing we've spoke to supporters denouncing the charges against him. and i look at all this and i'd say that i'm going to prison for my pick i did a one number out of public web site and i graduated if they did a good job certainly if it's public. and this is why i'm going to play it for the life of a tick. defense attorneys however have made a motion to appeal the sentence and could very well have the charges dropped so
joining me now to discuss the case more closely i'm joined by reed trial counsel or review torak one journalist and radio host the cold powers thanks so much both of you for coming on. thanks so not cool start with you i'd like to start from the beginning we heard a short clip of we've saying that he was sent to prison for a riff that can explain in simple terms what it was that he allegedly did that upset the government so much. while i think that basically what he did was embarrassed the public meanness to company. because he's guilty of doing something that you know people in the lead do every day which is you know go to. you know publicly published websites that a password protected on the internet he figured out a way of going to iraq there are lots of them but i mean these were not password protected white pages they were open to the world and the government is trying to
say after the fact that this constitutes a protected computer and you know i don't know how they can say this constitutes a violation. an attack on a protected computer when the computer was not protected there was no process and if this case is left to stand basically you're expected to be psychic because you'll supposed to sort of figure out you know what page what web pages you can visit and what pages you just based on. what's even more interesting is that eighteen to you wasn't even looking to push for the case and the government stepped in and made this a federal issue pursuing felony charges tor i want to move to you to expand on the rather peculiar way that the appeal to weave sentence might be honored because the prosecution is trying to in an unwarranted jurisdiction can you break down this in simple terms for us i'm going to search every. one of the protections you have
under the u.s. constitution or the federal criminal trial or something called venue not all that means is where the trial is going to take place framers of the constitution were really concerned about that because what was happening was the crown would say you know revolutionary from say philadelphia and put them on trial in london and what's happening with a lot of these internet cases is you know the alleged hackle say happen in california and it will be dragging the hacker into like a really conservative judicial district like the eastern district of virginia in this case what's really interesting about it is that it was prosecuted in new jersey but nothing actually happened in new jersey the servers were in new jersey. he wasn't located in new jersey no electronic traffic went through new jersey so there's this whole question as well what are we doing in new jersey and if the government's theory of venue was right they'll be able to prosecute these types of computer crimes anywhere in the united states i mean one of the questions that the
one of the judges asked you know the pope was like why are we in hawaii right now why aren't we don't ask oh yeah i mean it makes no sense at all a very interesting you know reading some of the language used by prosecutors before and through a sentence that really seem like a character assassination can you elaborate a little bit on the way the prosecution's been trying to portray we. well you know we've is a very controversial. i mean he's a he's a troll so you know he says a lot of very sort of controversial things but you know that it's you know free speech protected under the first amendment and you know you can't sort of prosecute people you know saying not very nice things you know one of the things that one of the pieces of evidence that the prosecution brought into court was actually evidence from the encyclopedia dramatica which is a parody website and so they they took power of the evidence from
a parody website and took that as serious. evidence and use that against you and just i'm sure if we have wasn't such a troll this prosecution would have to because what he did millions of people do every day this is my opinion just purely a political prosecution. just today we defense team had filed another briefing which states that quote acquittal is the only just remedy here presently incarcerated and already has spent over one year in prison for conduct that is not even a crime would be outrageous of another prosecutor could try the same unwarranted charges elsewhere i know that you just mentioned that people do this every day. speak exactly why it would be outrageous for anyone else to be prosecuted in the exact same way as we maybe for the average non savvy internet user will because basically the issue of question here is no different than entering a random search into a web browser all they did was basically they wrote
a script that counted off numbers that's why he was saying you don't go to jail for arithmetic and those numbers would querrey a password protected publicly facing servers that if they got a number that matched the customer's number that the server would publish an e-mail address and then in that same logon window it would have a space for entering the password so they never actually like hack the password or anything what so problematic about that is that's what all sorts of companies do every day that's basically what google does with its bought scrawling the internet i mean this interpretation of the computer fraud abuse act is correct it really means that millions of people are potentially committing computer felonies every day now is the d.o.j. going to prosecute everybody for computer felonies every day no they're not but what it gives them the power to do is to arbitrarily prosecute the people that they don't like and to say that something is a computer crime after the fact and that's very very dangerous sure yeah i mean the
implications are huge for years average internet users i mean it's a really broad interpretation or i want to ask you really quickly to wrap it up about tweet you sent out last week during weaves appeal where you wrote quote the f.b.i. just visit our office sorry guys i'm in philly give me a ring when i get back i mean if the appeal that we've sense is being heard in court why is the f.b.i. investigating it. well because there's been treated horribly in prison and they've actually been intercepting my attorney client mail with them they've been opening it legally they've been with withholding it illegally and he writes the these letters to intentionally troll anybody who might be reading it i'm not going to say what he actually wrote because it's. it's privileged but let's just say i had coffee with the f.b.i.'s joint terrorism task force in new york city today they seemed very concerned over one of those comments which is basically you know a troll and also think that actually what they're doing is they're trying to intimidate lawyers to try to intimidate me they're trying to say hey listen you
know we don't we don't like people regular people like this we want to show you speech but that sounds like a fun lunch on a cold we have about thirty seconds left but i wanted to really just ask you what is this all about i mean you've written extensively about the government's attitudes toward what it sees as quote computer criminals how harsh punishments are what's driving the prosecution's we have about thirty seconds left. what i mean this is just a very selective prosecution i mean you know we've as a troll but you know there are people that are doing exactly the same thing. research is you know if you run a sort of a travel website you. price states so that then you can sort of publish your own competitive prices that's exactly the same thing that you know we've heard it's does seem like sudden examples you guys thank you so much for coming on breaking it down toward the coal really appreciate your time. thank you thank you that's our show you guys join me again tomorrow remember all over again.
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that only we the people have under the constitution the united states are going to supreme court actually strike down obamacare is birth control mandate for this decision the hobby lobby case more on that just a month also president obama has proposed new reforms to the n.s.a.'s bulk metadata collection program but to these reforms go far enough we'll talk about that and more and tonight's big picture politics panel and florida governor rick scott is a murderer and has blood on his hands i'll tell you why and i'd still take. you need to know this corporations are people my friend and if you think they are you better read up on your history in the beginning corporations were really just a way for people who wanted to make some money to get state protection for their businesses and their investments governments gave corporate charters to private
individuals so they could have the privilege or repeat privilege of doing business with the public and in the process and reach their backers in the early modern era were often part of the ruling elite corporations as really really know them again in the late sixteenth century when queen elizabeth the first of england granted a corporate charter to serve for instance drake's ship the golden hind and gave it legal freedom from liability meaning that the queen and her fellow investors would never lose more money than they invested if the golden hind went under or even incurred massive debts today's corporations more or less follow the same basic model as they did five hundred years ago they have limited liability just likes or francis drake scolded and they get certain privileges from the government in exchange for providing goods and services to customers and citizens like with their lives a beef and ancestors modern corporations are our official entities created to enrich and protect the people and the investors that own them they don't eat breathe sleep
or cry they can't get married but you consider a joint venture agreement the same thing as a wedding ring and all the corporations are rotten operated by people they arguably are not people as chief justice john marshall said in eighteen nineteen a corporation is an artificial being invisible intangible being a mere creature of law it possesses only those properties which of the charter of its creation confer upon it either expressly or is incidental to its very existence it over the past century and a half the unelected justices of the supreme court have given corporations the same rights and liberties as. we the people thanks to the supreme court corporations now have for example the right to free speech rights equal protection under the law the right not to engage not to be the victim of jabal jeopardy under the fifth amendment and pretty soon they may have the right to pray let's pray that's because the supreme court heard oral arguments in two cases challenging obamacare is a requirement that employers provide access to health insurance that covers birth
control on the surface level these cases sebelius v hobby lobby and conestoga wood specialties corby sebelius or about obamacare at their core they're really about whether or not corporations totally artificial creations have the right to religious freedom in the now for more on this or actually mcguire's senior fellow at the catholic association and democratic strategist bridget todd ashley bridget welcome to the program and good to have you both with us. let me start out actually your take on what's what happened here today well i wasn't in the oral argument but i do think this will be a very interesting case to see you know with regard to the idea of corporations exercising religion this would not be the first time the court would acknowledge that a corporation can exercise first amendment rights i mean the new york times for example is a corporation they clearly have a first amendment rights and other entities like charities are actually structured as corporations so you can't think of a corporation just as sort of this narrow opposed to for profit not for profit
corporations having any rights under the constitution and the new york times in the casket versus nike case asserted in the league is proof that they should have first amendment rights and justice rehnquist who is no longer with us we're back and said in one thousand nine hundred six this was argued it was wong lee decided it actually wasn't even decided but but i but you're right that the supreme court has argued this now in citizens united. bridget your thoughts on what happened i mean i think you've hit the nail on the head re corporations aren't people. they cannot have privileges you know believe and i think it's almost fairly contrasts that we should treat corporation but we do individual people you know i think you hit the nail my head with what you thought i had earlier i think that there are people in the cheap and people back and you know love it that can make decisions that can have religious believes i think if elite particularly even though with religious objection sort of take away the rights of their of other
individuals employed what the court said back in one thousand nine hundred six there was a series of five tax cases that stephen field who was on the ninth circuit and also on the supreme court kicked up to himself so you could take them on where he was asserting corporations have rights of the fourteenth amendment essentially what they ended up with was that yeah ok corporations can have rights of the fourteenth amendment but corporation or corporation and there's equal protection applies to to one corporation it versus another corporation but not to a corporation versus a person now you know ever since louis paul was put on the court in seventy one we've seen corporations having equal level with persons buckley level a whole was the first time that this was argued as a speech issue first national bank of a law that was a year later seventy seven the supreme court said the corporations have the right to have a political opinion. as actually as as somebody who is representing a group that has a religious dog in this fight as it were. mangling metaphors but.
and you work for the back and fund before which which is is you know funded in part by by some substantial groups including the koch brothers how does that actually they they form the bradley fund the bradley fun funds the back up front how is this . of benefit to a corporation. a for profit corporation if there's already an exemption for churches the catholic church already has a total exemption to why would a catholic organization or any religious organization say the corporation should have this exemption to these to this law that the church has already had first disagree and say that there is not a total exemption as evidenced by the fact that there's now more than three hundred plaintiffs most of whom are actually charitable groups and you can look and see what happened with the little sisters of the poor who would who are granted an emergency injunction from the supreme court so even the supreme court has already acknowledged that what the obama administration has done so far for charities is
insufficient but i actually think there's more to this than just the the corporate argument and more than this came up in the oral arguments today at least from what i've heard from other people which is the religious freedom restoration act and the rights of individuals and i think what this really boils down to is do you if you are an individual citizen of the united states can the government tell you let's say you're david green the owner of hobby lobby that when you enter the marketplace you essentially forfeit your conscience rights if you make a profit and that is actually the argument that the government has been make that is the argument on the other side that you is actually mcguire when you go to work for somebody for your rights under the law to have equal protection with everybody else of the law for example a law that covers how health insurance companies must function. i'm not entirely sure but what what your question is but i think it's absolutely not true that you forfeit your constitutional rights when you go into the workplace if anything one thing we all agree about is that the constitution's guarantee is extend to you no
matter where you are whether you're in the public sphere or the private sphere. i just have to jump and i mean i think that we fall out of the oral arguments today if idea that as a as an individual my employer should have any faith about medication that i use birth control of medication people who get from medical. issues my employer has no say over you know what i take when i take it up to me and my doctor and i say that it's up to my employee my employee you know my employer who you know what i can get and how i can get it i think that talk about invasion of privacy i think that's such an invasion of privacy i think that's such a big over to be from the people's lives one of the things that i didn't see this was only mentioned in passing in the arguments today but hobby lobby is asserting that if a physician has a conversation with a patient and that conversation. doesn't necessarily recommend simply involves birth control that touches on hormonal birth control or the i.u.d.
that hobby lobby's health insurance company must refuse to pay for that doctor's visit which is going to have a chilling effect on speech between doctors and their patients. and then it's no one's business well first of all i think people forget the hobby lobby already pays for sixteen of the twenty f.d.a. approved forms of birth control so i haven't heard that before but the only four forms that they don't want to pay for are the four whose own f.d.a. labels warn can destroy an embryo which to them is tantamount to my watch is not an implanted embryo so it's not this is not a pregnancy you will not test positive for pregnancy into a lab you can strap an embryo whether it's before implantation or after the purposeful so now we're going into the religious serious so should a seventh day adventist be able to deny blood transfusions for their employees while we're not talking about that we're talking about as a hobby as i mean not to try to debate whether corporation can assert their religious beliefs are not your job as witnesses don't believe in and transfer
should they be allowed to say we won't pay for those what we're talking about is whether or not the employer should be forced to pay for their employees abortions against their religious objections that will have to leave the thank you both for being with us for thinking and. it is ten x. time for yours truly me almost twenty years ago i discovered by reading the actual transcript and decision of the supreme court case that happened back in one thousand nine hundred six yeah it was that long ago that our entire system of corporate power in washington d.c. and around the country is based on a lie fast forward almost one hundred years to one nine hundred seventy one back in the days when corporate america avoided politics and just made money c.e.o.'s only made thirty times with their workers did and so-called conservative politicians were more worked up about integration and the war in vietnam than they were about so-called rights of billionaires and corporations
a corporate lawyer named lewis powell would have been secret memo urging corporations and rich people to rise up and seize control of our country few months later richard nixon put him on the u.s. supreme court and paul then helped pull off the greatest coup in the past hundred years virtually destroying our democracy and our middle class tax talk coming up may third in portland oregon explain that big lie how this coup happened the kind of damage it's doing to both american democracy and the american middle class and what we can do to stop the reversal. coming up the senate intelligence committee is on the cusp of releasing a summary of its six thousand page report on the cia's torture program this is a time we went further and had a full scale investigation of the crimes of the bush administration more on that inside the big picture politics panel after the break.
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old. technology innovation all the list of elements from around russia we've got the future covered. where they for tonight's big picture politics panel are david hold on bird. health policy analyst with the national center for public policy research whole stangl or staff writer for in these times and he knew some are the national advisory council project twenty one thank you for joining me and i think i've mispronounced your name it's hope bird but those are right thank you very much thanks very. president obama there is at least the headline is that he's proposing to end the n.s.a.'s bulk metadata collection program according the new york times under the president's proposal the bulk records would stay in the hands of phone companies which would not be required to retain the data for any longer than they normally would whatever
that means and the n.s.a. could obtain specific records only with the permission from a judge using a new kind of court or whatever that means the new york times is also reporting that the administration's proposal would also include a provision clarifying whether section two fifteen of the patriot act due to expire next year unless congress reauthorizes it may in the future be legitimately interpreted as allowing bulk data collection of telephone do so a long way of saying is he really doing something or is he just putting lipstick on a pig here or i think i think he's doing something and i actually feel for once i find myself sort of agreeing with the obama administration here i don't think what the n.s.a. was doing was an invasion of privacy but given how you know the public overall public reaction to it. as strong as it's been but also given that i think this data can be very useful in tracking down terrorists i think what he's doing basically saying we can only go go get the data when we get
a special permission from the court will stop the bulk. you know doing it the way they're doing right now i think is a good compromise you know all things in this incident or to at the moment pretty unambiguous that the third branch of government has to be. involved in the process of violating the person's privacy their papers don't know the facts of the courts have said the content of a phone call is private but once you actually dial out the number and that's all the n.s.a. was doing was collecting phone numbers once you dial up the number to a third party like a phone company it's no longer considered private so. i think you mentioned you don't think that's invasion of privacy i think the very fact that you have the ministry going on the record after defending this program for months on end going on the record saying it needs to be changed is a defacto admission that this was a violation of privacy but there's something egregious was going on around here or there was the perception that. this this follows a meeting in the white house three days ago to three days ago with you know
a whole bunch of wall street billionaires. silicon valley and billionaires who are all very upset about the fact that they're losing tens of billions perhaps even a trillion dollars over the next decade in business i mean you've got german data companies are we doing data companies japanese data companies that are eating the lunch now silicon valley did it companies because nobody wants their data running through the united states right i mean you know who knows what the administration deep down you know what the president really thinks about this program but i'm just saying you know i think it's still you know an acknowledgment that something profoundly wrong was going on right now and i think that's you know it's also a testament to what edward snowden did. and i think it's a reflection the fact that you know we can call the whistleblower now and whether or not you know obama will say that whether or not the administration backers will say that i don't think they will but nevertheless i think this is a reflection of you know how far we've come because really just think back to how much the conversation has shifted just in the last few months from just these unambiguous defenses of the program to now we're actually having an open
conversation about how we need to end this i think is interesting as well because what i don't understand is why is he needs legislative action to the do this which chances are you're not going to get congress to agree on a path for for the n.s.a. instead. could probably do everything he needs to be done that needs to be done through executive order but he's choosing not to go that route so i think it is an interesting hand to make sure that the n.s.a. has with its what it needs consider in the legislative the legislative branch probably will not present a consensus approach for the n.s.a. going forward in terms of what it can what you've got both progresses and tea partiers equally about that isn't on one hand on the other hand are you suggesting i mean that basically is two reasons why a president might go to the legislature for things that that have to do with the executive branch that as you point out correctly could be probably be done by executive order either way. he wants to make sure that it endures long past his presidency that he sees it as a really serious thing that needs to be put into law and not just
a matter of policy that can change from president to president or b. he's looking for political cover i think he thinks that and then there's see he's looking for political cover he doesn't expect it to happen and he wants to be able to say i tried to do right so exactly where are we you know actually makes make a lot of what we saw around the syrian conflict right so initially the administration looked like they were just going to go and you know unilaterally and then decided to push for congressional authorization which which failed they couldn't grab the support in congress. so you know there's a sort of political dimension obviously when you decide to go inside a branch when we know this administration really doesn't have a problem with you know taking executive action you know i don't know how much trouble he will have with congress getting them to do something that lessens the n.s.a.'s power i mean if you've got tea partiers in progressives then you've got certain certainly considerable factions in both parties that are willing to do something about this so. you know if he's hoping that he can throw this to congress
and nothing will happen he might be in for a kind of a rude but on the third hand probably from the latest numbers i've seen roughly seventy to eighty percent of all of this data collection stuff is being done by private contractors so we're taught. in about billions and billions of dollars with the contracts that you've got lobbyists here in washington d.c. passing out millions of dollars in campaign contributions to members of congress probably outside of the progressive and tea party caucuses so you might run into a wall of obstruction with the so-called normal democrats or republicans always possible but that's it's a little harder for a lobbyist when there is so much attention on an issue and when the you know the public is is so much up in arms about it that does make it harder it's a good point speaking of reports the cia did a post-mortem after the bush bush administration of the whole torture program and has to kerik asian program and the leaks we've heard of it and the people that have seen it and have. made inferences at least suggest that it is
a is that we didn't learn anything of consequence or shouldn't be was a violation of domestic and international law and and see it's just pretty gross stuff it was pretty grisly in fact the cia destroyed hundreds of hours of videotape apparently you know. people why would people destroy evidence you know it's so senator feinstein in the cia have got into this you know match this this battle as it were it seems like the easy thing for her to do would be to just declassify the report put it the congressional record and say ok here you go damn it. it also seems to me that if this was a a. if that with the republicans were in the minority if bush had been a democrat and this and they're actually going to vote when the majority right now that they would simply do this like you know i don't understand why dianne feinstein doesn't just do that. or at least declassify
a summary of it they may have thought. i've been this entire situations boggle the mind since she sits in france and came out and talked about the cia the cia possibly spying i guess a couple weeks ago but i don't understand. is why it is that it almost seems this agency is out of control and the problem of the usual big green back and forth between the political parties is that they just cover under the ministration that's in power at the time and so this back and forth between ok you have the you have bush protect you have the bush administration protecting the cia then you have the obama administration protecting the cia and then you have some weird political infighting that goes on between the parties but somehow some way there has to be a lot more exposure to the operations of the agency non-participant but that's the reason the sun if you think you. could church commission found that not only was the cia and the f.b.i. being used politically by nixon which is what pretty much everybody remembers but
also that they were going off on their own high horses in a ways that were clearly in patently illegal and you know in many cases without even the knowledge of president nixon but i can make a remark about feinstein i mean she's never been the most liberal member of the democratic party without us when it comes to national security i think she is almost well sure but so the so what she's doing is probably not you know out of character for her i don't think she's going to release it on our own i think she'd probably want some cover you know getting other democrats and maybe a few republicans to go along before you know they they release this sort of thing we call your thoughts you know i mean you know ideally we'd want to have some kind of disclosure put in the public record like macro micro did with the pentagon papers but i think a lot of the congressman a lot of the senators that we see today who are critics of the civil liberties of the attacks on civil liberties and national security state are kind of pale in comparison to these figures there is no we talk about all this and you don't have people like that you know we heard the same thing about you know ron wyden i think
who is a big critic of the n.s.a. program who really could have gone forward have you chosen to take initiative and read into the congressional record and let's get this stuff on the record of the president talk about it he chose not to go that route so. well organised organise a blue state. always i mean he it could have been political suicide for him to do that too particularly if the cia came back at him with everything they have. sure i mean the cia doesn't give to political campaigns but their contractors do now see that's the thing concerns me is that we have now and not only politicized intelligence agencies but we've also monetize them in in ways that you know have the whole perverse incentive of for example for for profit prisons out there lobbying for longer sentences for having a joint and you know just because they want to have customers longer and make more money it's just james ray apropos of this james rise of the new york times a reporter. is fighting
a court order requiring him to testify in the leak of want to his sources he called out the obama administration's press freedom record event in new york last friday he said that this administration the obama administration is quote the greatest enemy of press freedom that we have encountered in at least a generation us james rhizomes you know from new york times there was a big kerfuffle around jim james rosen of fox news who was being spied on you know and and but it's like you know. this is this is you know when you get james risin and you've got dianne feinstein and. something's not right here thoughts i mean it is you know the teleprompter also knows when you have the monitoring of the associated press their phone calls plus there was the recent very creepy thing with the f.c.c. wanting to go into news rooms and see how the news decisions were made knowing you know they ended up backing off on that when they got enough bad president it's been i think wildly miscarriage. you know the hysterical talk radio guys on the royle
now yeah oh my god is the obama administration through they were just well you're out what's going on ok. come on tom that's probably they were probably you know was probably going. to go further than that but nevertheless given given the overall the bomb a bomb administration's record when it comes to freedom of the press i don't think rises that far off the mark i mean this is not as an have not been a is it time to bring back the fairness doctrine. what does that have to do with the service doctrine which is not how it's typically been characterized it didn't say that if you have a concert you have to have a liberal what it said was news media have to act in the public interest. they have to actually report news ok well the end result of it with oh was that you know you had to have a conservative no you did have a lead that's a that's a that's a vanishing hitchhikers story got twenty seconds you know american james rosen said it was talking about you know how a lot of journalist have been timid to challenge the administration to comment and
to challenge claims that are being made you know on background a lot of national security questions a lot of intelligence questions so that's something that we should also learn here of course but yes so the one thing i will say you know the fairness doctrine definitely worries me because the question is who's going to enforce it who's going to interpret it who's going to make sure that happens we'll be back more of tonight's big picture politics. i would rather as questions to people in positions of power instead of speaking on their behalf and that's why you can find my show larry king now right here on our t.v. question. i
welcome back to politics panel with david hog word coal oberg calls dangler and let's get back to it georgia has passed what many are calling the most sweeping pro-gun legislation the country the legislation now waiting for the signature of governor nathan deal loused guns in bars schools restaurants churches and airports get a giffords group americans for responsible solutions says this is the most extreme gun bill in america meanwhile the n.r.a. has said is the most comprehensive pro-gun bill in recent history legislation is opposed by gun control advocates by georgia's police chiefs association by the
restaurant association and guns in their restaurants by the churches that own guns in their churches the the t.s.a. . guns in airports even the majority of people live in georgia so it has the you know this an ending funnel of money from the n.r.a. now into local state and state legislatures reached a point where we're it's gone kind of reduce the serbian however you say it what i mean it's just been reduced to absurdity anybody on this so here we are at the here's the one thing about it. this is the legislative process and that. and so more of i mean this is you know the n.r.a. buys legislators prosecutors here's the thing and this is they're not representing their constituents is the argument that the left continues push this whole notion that the n.r.a. is buying votes but how many elections that we've seen in the past few years that money did not indicate who was the women who was a loser so you know very well you know i disagree with that and what i what one
thing that i've noticed is ninety percent of you know the statistics put out there ninety percent of americans say they want universal background checks i believe this is his ticket and so why would someone vote against that if the americans are getting money all the wrong a so strongly against it but then wouldn't the voter what does the voters not receiving money so that what i don't understand is how he is that all of this money is tricking him pulling the voter if the vote if the voters desires and not be met by these laws you know fooling people with television advertising is is how every industry in america would bergersen it but you're saying that the american citizen is for the american citizen to be so strongly against background checks and then at the same for background checks and at the saint. having you know having these ads come out what i don't understand is how that that was what happened is if you come out in favor of background checks the n.r.a. will go after you with the ads that they have nothing to do with background checks
but they will go after you with ads and take you down but if it's such a strong consensus you think it would happen and that's the myth. that i think there's a whole slate of issues where you know we have a majority of public opinion that support it and that's not reflected in the political system and doesn't necessarily mean that the voters are being tricked or about american people are stupid it means that we have a political system that is essentially largely bought by corporations and i think that what we're seeing in georgia right now is not a reflection of just one. those interest groups that's able to buy off political power it's not it's not so much an indictment of voters about sure we could vote better ways to it's in time of the political system that we live in today. but georgia's kind of a conservative state i mean it's a pretty red state you know it already has pretty liberal gun laws and you know i don't see this in is in any way in anything out of the ordinary that you would see
from a fairly red state you know even in the interest of guns in schools guns in bars what could go wrong. well i mean your poor use usually. in terms of the support of the internal schools i actually think that you should allow like principals and teachers to carry if you want to protect children from the old the maniacs that come with guns i mean they always these maniacs always did so i mean this is made students take guns cause i i doubt if they haven't heard about fair per. carry guns come on seriously well it might in my play apply more to high school to the senior class of high school or to junior colleges or colleges but you know students can take guns to school out of this law schools cannot say no. is that really is that the really the america you want to live in. an armed society is a polite society yeah like i said terrified no armed society is a polite society i think i think there are i was you can charge me gun owners you know wyatt earp used to used to meet people at the at the edge of tombstone and say
give me your guns out has been the argument against as he says you always know that iowans you know against repealing gun control laws against things like concealed carry that it would turn the american to the wild west in fact that's not what it was what it was all about what we have seen is crime rates go down as you have liberalized gun laws and the main reason is the primary will go down as we took the lead out of gasoline every country in the world saw that with or without gun control and every state in the country saw those that liberalize gun laws and those the strengthen gun laws there's a clear and direct correlation between lead in gasoline exposure to the lead in prenatally and in the first five years of life and violence after after puberty there is plenty of research out there showing the areas that have more guns have less crime simply because criminals don't want to rob or not doesn't even answer was it it might be that areas that have less crime have more guns but it or it
might just be that that statistic is wrong i mean you know you it's i'm not willing to buy that as a as an absolute you know things not just only when you have a society with guns when you have a society that's deeply divided you know along class lines and you have states like georgia mississippi in the south which are really poor and on equal states where you have a lot of poor population and i think then you see the combination of poverty inequality you throw in you know lax gun laws and you really create a you know a bad combination according to. change the topic here corney were viewed by politico taxpayers and fourteen states now are subsidizing anti-science education in private religious schools through voucher programs you know. million students are basically having we the taxpayers pay for them to believe very bizarre anti-scientific things i printed out the list before it came out but i forgot to grab it out of the printer i'm sorry but there's just this shocking article you know ten outrageous things that the religious right is teaching using your tax
dollars over alter net right now that i commend to all of our viewers and i'm sorry i don't have to read to you but should we really be you know for example i remember one of them was it's absurd to think that humans and dinosaurs didn't coexist right i mean it's just absurd to think that really. is it right our tax dollars are paying for the religious doctrine nation of young kids it's small price to pay if it means a system that allows kids to get out of failing public schools i don't think the roughly why don't you fix the public schools they were working for before you reagan came along and put. up the you know the will of the what schools in the world in the sixty's well they've been going downhill ever since all the way downhill since the age i mean i'm going downhill since the sixties at the very least and look you know how many schools were mentioned that were actually doing that in the article about three hundred that's less than one program in stood three no quarter million students had access to the validators it was not
a quarter million students who were in schools that were teaching that sort of thing look it is not three hundred schools that a small percentage of the overall schools out there are going to drive you know the us into a disaster and science education the public school science although the school system is already here are some of done a pretty good job of that i think that's a very small price to pay for allowing children to get out of lousy schools that were teaching kids that the great depression was made up to spread socialism this is from america a land i love in christian perspective the great depression was actually a hoax some people want to create an imaginary crisis in order to move the country toward socialism birbhum from the textbooks they spread rumors of banks mortgage foreclosures and. fictions from farms homes and apartments but local bankers did all in their power to keep their present in the go nazis brought to you by karl marx and charles darwin the post world war two era was a time of crusades and constant rain in the sixty's and seventy's everyone everything went to hell because of roe v wade freedom of speech is the gateway to
porn i do remember the case involved linda lovelace and. clarence thomas the greatest example of black achievement in the american history really ronald reagan the finally a non loser for president they said you know that president carter had failed luckily ronald reagan was there to assume the presidency and to deliver the nation a return to peace and strength through a patriotic revival i mean for example in this i haven't even gotten dinosaurs i mean do we really want this our public schools but let's not let's not use this clearly i don't think tax dollars should go to support that but let's be clear it's a very small portion is david mentioned before and so it's good to have legs day i was under the to have to put to live bridge that as an argument against all religious vouchers in this country. because i think that there is a push i think i think there is a place for that one the edge we need alternatives where we are we have you know
public education in our public education in terms of what the rest of the of the rest of the we can have all kinds of alternatives but we don't have the funding with our tax dollars their tax dollars we should be funding good functional public schools like we had this country for i you know i think a lot of these right wing critics of public education like to talk about school choice you know they talk about how lousy public education is in this country while simultaneously arguing for budget cuts you know defunding public education we're seeing massive amounts of money right now they're going towards these school vouchers you know and charter schools that we're diverting away from the public education system in this country so if we want to have you know better robust public education let's fund our schools when. not go out there do appear as i don't and let me on the last a lot of this is all that the last time i checked per capita per pupil spending on children had more than doubled in the last twenty years after counting for inflation we are spending more money on public schools and we're getting lousier results why because the public schools have been overcome by the teachers' unions
which put the no it's got a huge e.t.s. i think every day because it's because the kids go away as if. half the children in the united states are living at or below the poverty line and. whatever now should be a problem they used to get a great education they didn't used to be a problem people just school thirty two years of reaganomics has has ripped apart the middle class in america we don't we didn't used to have a half our kids in poverty and used it used to be a small slice of the american public and some also want to mention you know factor in the war on drugs and what that's meant to where you know you have black youth where you know they likely have a family member that should have been raising them who's now in prison for a nonviolent drug offense so i think you know poverty is part of it and equality is part of but also to look at the war on drugs which you know it depends on how people are being raised you know doesn't just you know school policy doesn't just operate in a vacuum if kids are poor they're growing up at home without you know parents to be able to raise them growing up and a fractured kind of society even how can you just expect them to to be able to
learn and get to receive a quality education instead you see the blame being placed on teachers who will buy it with to respond in poverty that we've seen because of the recession we there's been a consistent slide in performance of students in public schools so this tie that to the spike in poverty i don't see that has an exact our consistent slide in our trade policy where we're shipping jobs overseas like there's no tomorrow and have been for the last one a loser feel now to look yeah you know it is you can blame it on your quote if the argument of the left that everything that's wrong with the public schools comes from outside the public schools bad families poverty etc well so what then let's put it to the test let's have a system. vouchers. can decide what school they want their children to say i'm sorry let's deal with that thought out and let's see what the results are by the lottery system there's a lot of david hope bird call staying where he news thanks guys for being thank you coming up florida governor rick scott is a killer tonight's daily take i'll tell you how his decision to put politics over
people's lives caused one young mother her life and left three young children without their mom. i know c.n.n. the m.s.m. to see fox news have taken some not slightly but the fact is i admire their commitment to cover all sides of the story just in case one of them happens to be accurate. that was funny but it's close and for the treatment and i think. it's because one full attention and the mainstream media works side by side with you is actually on here. at our teen years we have a different brain. because the news of the world just is not this funny i'm not laughing dammit i'm not i. if.
their name abby martin two of the two or three posts on the r t network. it's going to give you a different perspective give you one stock tip never i'll give you the information you make the decision. bring you the work the revolution the mind it's a revolution of ideas and consciousness in. the extreme when you produce would be described as angry i think i'm a strong no wonder single. in the best of the us the news indiana has become the first state to back out of the new national education standards known as common core after they initially supported the program common core state state standards initiative was drafted by
superintendents for across the nation for the album the national governors association and has been endorsed by the obama administration initiative seeks to create a national educational standards for what k. through twelve students should know in english and mathematics at the end of each school year forty five states including indiana signed on to common core with some implementing the new curriculum the school year and others waiting for the next school year and all common core was created with bipartisan support it's now also getting bipartisan opposition tea party conservatives to liberal democrats americans are growing increasingly wary of common core joining me now to talk more about common core and the opposition to it is randi weingarten president of the american federation of teachers really welcome back. i'm so glad to be talking to you tom telephonically and yeah it's great to have you with us i usually are here in the studio but thank you exactly in new york first of all our last segment
touched on education and the pop. people are conservative mean that our public schools are failing and collapsing all around us and therefore we have to turn everything over to private for profit corporations got tossed right i'm curious your thoughts on that before we get to college well well look you know this is the reaganomics mean that starve the government now starve the public schools say that they're crappy and they don't work so that you can open them up to reckless alternatives and open the public fisc to privatization and you know even though i do think that our schools need a lot of work and they have been they've been hurt a lot by the by the last recession and by budget cuts the facts are that the scores are rising they are the highest scores we've ever had graduation rates are the highest that we've ever had and we have more kids going to college than we've ever had before and that two thirds of the achievement gap is from conditions
outside of school and one out of every two children in our public schools are poor so you know i would love to see that same kind of energy that the that that that one of your kind of one of your commentators had on the things that parents really want which is they want great neighborhood public schools that have music and are like you were talking about in the one nine hundred sixty s. there you go so back to common core since as seems to be part of this yeah disintegration of the public schools or a challenge for the public schools is that right gratian mean is it is phony well who's behind it what's its purpose is this the kind of stuff that jim jeffords left the senate over. so this is you know common core is a pretty complicated subject because i'm sure you know it will probably surprise you that i'm a big believer in it because what it is it should be
a. out is how you help all kids get the critical thinking and the problem solving skills that they need so that they're ready for lives career and college the problem is that from the right people don't want to have anything to do with anything in washington and from the left what's happened is that there's been too much of a fixation on testing and on the gates and others maybe maybe making a profit off of the curriculum and the testing rather than letting people have the time and the wherewithal to actually implement it right and so you have the implementation has been so botched in certain places that even the people that believed in it because seven about six or seven out of ten teachers even used to believe in it but the implementation has been so botched that people in classrooms
don't trust it jim jim jeffords i mentioned was a senator from vermont back around two thousand i was writing a book on equal protection and i talked with him and with his staff about the no child left behind act which is why he left the republican party and and he said one i was a kid i went to school and the teacher wrote up the test ran it up in the middle machine with this law the teacher is going to have to buy that test for twenty five dollars per student the school is going to have to buy that test a multi million dollar test in industry is going to become a multi-billion dollar test in history is not going to do anything for the kids is a common thing or actually is coming towards that actually right well if the testing if we don't do you link the testing from the standards themselves it will be an extension of that and that's the fight that's going on throughout the states on the left on the right it's the undermining of anything that has to do with
proper. education but on so freedom works have said let's go after the common core and then we go after the rest of funding and then we open it up to this so-called you know choice argument and but but on the left it's we have to deal link the testing jim jeffords was absolutely right we actually have to make sure that we help kids build full ation ships then apply knowledge and critically thing and then deal with adversity and grit and there's lots of different ways of figuring out whether or not kids have mastered knowledge and we need to change the countability system so that it's not this fixation on testing so we can do it without neil bush is private for profit testing company it well we know if we don't then this whole notion of having kids be ready and be critical thinkers will go by the wayside and then they'll be something else like what indiana just absolutely right randi
weingarten it is always such a pleasure to have you with us thank you so person x. times thank you. florida governor rick scott is now officially a killer. and charlene dill is one of his victims charlie and bill is a hardworking florida woman who moved down to florida when she was just eighteen years old to help make ends meet she worked at various fast food restaurants at disney world she cleaned houses she babysat as the years went by she found herself as a single mother struggling to raise three children last year charlene made just eleven thousand dollars cleaning houses and babysitting she used that money to help put
food on the table for her children and put a roof over their heads then charlene discovered she had a severe heart problem that needed to be managed and she could afford to get treated right because she didn't have health insurance she fell into what's called the red state donut hole it was created by republican lawmakers like rick scott it says that if you make over fifty four hundred dollars a year over that but less than eleven thousand four hundred dollars a year if you're in that gap you get no health insurance below fifty four hundred dollars charlie would have qualified for florida's pretty pathetic medicaid program over eleven thousand four hundred she would've qualified for free health insurance under obamacare because of the subsidies for low income people but because she was in the middle because she only earned eleven thousand dollars she made too little to qualify for obamacare and too much to qualify for florida medicaid. this isn't of course how the obamacare law was written but this giant donor hole was drilled
into obamacare by john roberts when the supreme court said that states could refuse to take federal money to pay to cover people who don't earn enough to qualify for insurance subsidies but make more than state medicaid programs will cover it was into that donut hole that sharleen fell twenty three states which are either controlled by republican governor or republican legislature every fuse to expand medicaid coverage to their citizens under obamacare this is pure politics an effort to sabotage obamacare by cutting the working poor out of the program republicans are hoping that working poor people like charlene or her friends now are survivors will be so upset that they can't get obamacare and won't realize that it was the republican governors who refused their eligibility so upset that they'll be angry with obama the democrats and vote for republicans in two thousand and fourteen two thousand and sixteen because this is all about politics these states are literally plain politics of people's lives and charlene is one of the people they've now
killed around five million americans won't have access to health care in two thousand and fourteen because they fall into that red state donut hole just like charlie. since she didn't have insurance sharleen couldn't afford a regular doctor or a regular treat in two thousand and fourteen she went to the emergency room because of a flare up with her heart doctors there told her to start taking medicine and to be routinely monitored but she couldn't afford it because she only made eleven thousand dollars a year and she had to feed three kids and because rick scott would not let her have the free health insurance that working poor people like charlene in every democratically controlled state in america have right now. rick scott was willing to let her die so that he could score political points against president obama. back in december charlene again went to the emergency room this time because of abscesses in her legs shortly after that trip to the e.r. charleen picked up another job as
a vacuum cleaner saleswoman on top of babysitting and house cleaning to help provide for her family and to pay for her e.r. bills which were piling up because they weren't covered because rick scott in the florida republicans refused to let the federal government pay for her medicare medicaid excuse this past friday charlene was supposed to go see one of her close friends to their children to play together she never made it to a friend's house charlene died during one of her vacuum cleaner sales appointments that. this hardworking loving single mother of three young children was just twenty three years. exceeding thirty two years old charlene died because multi-millionaire republican and florida governor rick scott chose to play politics rather than protect the lives of the florida citizens he is supposed to be serving unfortunately for publicans across the country continue playing politics with people's lives charlene will not be the only one to die. a recent study by
researchers at harvard university in the new york and the city university of new york found that as many as seventeen thousand americans will die directly as a result of states deciding not to expand medicaid under obamacare saniel dyckman one of the authors of the study told morning call that the results were sobering political decisions have consequences some of them lethal unfortunately republicans like rick scott don't give a rats ass that their political decisions have life and death consequences consequences like three young children losing their mother people like rick scott just want to smear obama they don't care who don't raise you so long as it's just working poor people. but enough is enough some things are more important politics and life is certainly one of the republicans say that they're pro-life but that's a bald faced lie because they refused to let low wage working americans have access to life saving medicaid. republican bodies in the florida legislature are really
the christian they claim they are and they're going to burn in hell deservedly. and that's the way it is tonight tuesday march twenty fifth two thousand and fourteen and don't forget democracy begins with you get out there get active tag you're. it was a. very hard to take. so long. have you ever had sex with her no.
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