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as kids military movements and threats of force that antigovernment protesters in the east of ukraine on edge we head into an occupied building in the rest of city of the net to get the inside story. not about putin was europe but ukraine's gas debt has reached a critical level and is putting supplies at risk. so this hour russia is stripped of voting rights and membership of the parliamentary assembly of the council of europe known as pace in a move moscow has called a complete political.
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life from a studio center in moscow this is r.t. international with you twenty four hours a day well within twenty four hours kiev could make good on its threat to use force against protesters occupying buildings in eastern ukraine footage from the area shows convoys of vehicles moving towards restive cities now here you can see several of them on the road to lugansk where protesters have seized the security service headquarters these are the pictures there for you now and some locals were injured when they tried to stop the convoy as this eyewitness claimed. at about two pm we received information that military hardware had arrived at our local train station we went there and saw a.p.c.'s military vehicles and troops the whole town gathered near boy the soldiers tried to start moving and the people tried to stop the vehicles the soldiers twisted the arms of pensioners there were two young men standing there and they drove right over their feet i was pulled back by the
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local miners when i tried to stop the vehicles they didn't even look at who was in front of them the men started shouting for them to stop saying there were girls and women in front of them but they didn't care. well it's not just military hardware more troops are being deployed as well and here you can see protesters stopping a bus full of ukrainian soldiers on its way to the nets and this is fueling concern the storming of local administrative buildings is imminent especially as those inside said they go nowhere or he's written oceanus spoke to some of those holed up to find out exactly what they want but we're now inside what used to be the donetsk original ministration hand what has become recently the e.p. santos antihero protests this is where those who did not recognize the country's new authorities gathered and this is from where they fled the creation of the nets people's independent republic this republic has its own forces aimed as for tactics
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that their mosque plan that we can see here and that they're mostly formed from civil volunteers but there are also police and army defectors and moan that. we defend all model land from the fascist army that's going to kill us where for a referendum for being independent from kiev and being with russia with the course we can see here in their mortal called tears for example people say they will do their best to avoid any violence but if the reason violence against them they will be forced to use these things i only have a stick to defend myself coming on with machine guns annoyed had yesterday for example was a chilling members of ukraine's right sector known for their violent methods claimed to have come here to liberate the area from the people they call separatists this is when barricades appeared around the building and only. then this is a very large city known as ukraine industrial capital of around one million people
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live here while the the caribbean is home to the tenth part of the country's population and today this building the wrong representatives of almost all major cities and towns all of this region. basically mine workers and employees of the region's numerous factories and enterprises and each region occupies its. floor in this eleven story building. residents of neighboring regions also came to express solidarity including crimea which rejoined russia following the historic referendum in march this is something the nats can is only now preparing to also go through the loss of a protest against gives nationalism we are for social justice the creation of a republic means drastic changes in the way our territory is organized we are for equality of languages we are against the oppression of the majority by the
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nationalist minority and against threatening ethnic russians we don't consider naziism to be normal then you go visit her lipstick bananas green gin sounds about four hundred seventy million dollars to kiev and less than one hundred and fifty million returns all the mines and enterprises in the nats are prosperous the winners in the minutemen de mille in the region is changing doesn't mean that he gonna be declared lived for two years within the next month newly born titian's will have to decide what questions to ask college and residents will have to answer at the referendum before ukraine's presidential elections in the hearing and to decide what's country they want to meet you know if nationality from donetsk ukraine will the next because just one of the whole beds of antic have protests other cities facing major dissent include lugansk where the security service headquarters is currently occupied has already seen
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a violent police crackdown on protesters there which was dubbed an anti terrorist operation like you have and so many people were detained there and that is exactly what the anti-government activists in the nets are concerned about stockpiling improvised weapons and building barricades. defend themselves against rock police. well russia's president has warned that ukraine's gosh that could threaten energy surprised to europe or to use co two people being joins me now to tell us more about this hi there bill yes so he sent out a warning saying that the situation is critical he's warning about the deliveries going to europe in europe could be the one to suffer from the fact that ukraine isn't paying their bills now why should your of be endangered m.-o. going to check our map and see how it works how these levers work because the problem is ukraine is of course a transit we know that almost heart of european gas goes through ukraine that's
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exactly what the problem is you can see there's a lot of pipelines going on but the main one is still the one that goes through ukraine as we talk about the history why you should be worried is because it's not the first time this is happening we're going back to see thousand and six two thousand and nine where we have the so-called gas price wars what happened then was didn't pay their bills to russia are not only that but they were accused of siphoning gas off as well so it's all a bit of a messy situation and we know that ukraine's balance sheet is a little sticky as well we know the kind of contract by some three percent this year bill so the fact is there's no money in the coffers to pay these bills but at the moment they're fed to getting gas for free so as i say it's a sticky situation that's exactly what vladimir putin is warning about at the moment now in terms of who is reliant on those gas we know around the third of it goes to germany both gary and ninety percent of russian gas goes there is also a big importer as well so there's
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a lot at risk at the moment now talking of russia being a supplier we spoke to the chairman of the association of european businesses and he said that russia has always been a solid partner says have a listen. first of all we are definitely not diversifying away from russia we very very aware of the situation that we are in a very comfortable position to be close to the russian gas fields and during the past forty years not one cubic metre of gas was not delivered according to contracts now he was also alluding to the fact that there's been talk that the south stream which would be travelling underneath the ukraine and delivering gas through to southern europe just as the north stream takes on the top today there are talks that it could be stuart but he's saying that there's no need for than the negotiations to still going on now this is how much money ukraine russia just now
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in total we know they've already received three billion in loans they gas that specifically is two point two billion dollars just as you can see the gas profits so there's some big money it's in big bills to pay that bill right we'll see how you react to all of that in the meantime thanks very much indeed for that well moscow has expressed both hurt and outrage after being targeted with a slew of new sanctions as the parliamentary assembly of the council of europe now not only has the country had its voting rights stripped until next year but it's representative functions of also been suspended means that russia won't be able to take part in election observer missions or have its delegates in the council's governing bodies which is all the more offensive according to the head of the russian delegation given who voted for those sanctions. those states that have been breaking international law on a regular basis during the past fifteen years by bombing belgrade by bombing libya
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by occupying iraq have no moral right to take any decisions concerning the brushless delegation it's. now let's have a look at what pace actually is well it's made up of forty seven member national european parliament's its powers are limited it can only investigating give recommendations on key issues that affect the region so its resolutions aren't binding pace focus is largely on human rights and the protection of minority groups and some of its latest resolutions the organization advised the u.s. state of texas to stop the death penalty it wrote about respecting online privacy and launched a new anti corruption platform on the russian delegation appeared both irate and angry at a post vote press conference labeling the decisions completely unjustified no translators were present and a number of journalists walked out in protest and it further strains to an already tense event. mr this is
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a press conference not a political statement saying that's me over here but we're here if you are not happy with my statement you've. nothing to do with us. if you are not who was most it's we'll leave. it's not just the diplomats sparring over ukraine but the media two journalists and reporters are pushing their version of events sometimes with little basis in reality you have this kind of shared a few examples to my colleague earlier today. well found some interesting stuff since ukrainian media is just flooded with all sorts of controversial reports related to russia and information is often being shared and reported even though some of it is either complete or hoax altogether some of this is fake is an echo instance this picture was published by several media outlets shows alleged empty shelves in a grocery store in crimea but the price tag is in u.s.
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dollars in dollars turns out that this picture was taken over in a grocery store but in new york as it was getting rid of expired products now list picture of a ledge to crimean refugees looks very familiar i mean well this is the do seem like refugees but the same picture was used by another ukrainian media outlet earlier doing a report on syria refugees seven hundred thousand but my personal favorite is this one this is a story about identification alleged russian spy caught red handed in ukraine and this idea is sort of like the main proof presented by the media it has lots of grammar mistakes it's in russian but the best thing is that here there's occupation and just as they say in russian what i see it as it is spies so that's not very discreet and i would have real i have an idea that's. very good if pathetic but also i found an interesting video of a ukrainian t.v.
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station preparing to do a live report from an alleged bromide done for a western rally in crimea and here's the reporter and it seems from in their frame there's a lot of people around the journalist but then the camera pans to the right there and you can see there's only like ten fifteen people or bustle later this is. also is in a vision and he appears to be directing the crowd either to make some noise or to keep quiet so this again raises questions about how correct this information is so there's tons of it out there but surely facts have to be checked. on international live here more sky will be twenty four hours a day still to come in the program this hour after a short break from national strikes to localise bombings greeks are increasingly resorting to more desperate measures to highlight a military unemployment and poverty rates are. also enough to last them off the mouth of a u.s. talk about it's a new prosthetic limb only to be sent back into the heart of the conflict.
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this immediately though so we leave that maybe. by the scene push to secure the place your party says it will. push is that no one is asking with the guests that you deserve answers from it's all on politics only on our t.v. . they have come here to prove to slow the center identifies them rectifies wrongful convictions and other serious miscarriages of justice and to save an innocent man's life these young law students earned the best again in the case can't even be content matched i think it's sort of like a concept. lost and seeking the truth to establish whether the witness had
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provided false testimony to the khamenei. will the one who has lost all hope finally gained his freedom. hero's for islam mr martin. an afghan girl severely injured by a grenade while playing in her village has been given a prosthetic arm during treatment in america now it's time for her to go home but her brother won't be waiting for her he was killed in the same terrible accident or he's going to scan is following the story. this seven year old afghan girl was brought to the u.s. for medical treatment almost a year after she was injured in a blast at home her village had been a cauldron of violence is the u.s. invasion of afghanistan one morning she went outside to play with her brother the night before there was a violent battle between taliban fighters and u.s.
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military forces nothing residents there weren't used to she picked up what looked like a was a rock but actually it was a grenade hit it on the floor and it exploded the explosion killed brother it destroyed her right eye and she lost most of her right arm the u.s. nonprofit the children of war foundation brought should be to a hospital in los angeles where she received a prosthetic arm but there are so many children like i said she's a fortunate one who came here there's so many more children that need this kind of treatment many were victims of roadside bombs or were caught in the crossfire if ongoing insurgent battles u.s. drone strikes are causing an increasing number of civilian casualties charity organizations can hardly keep up with helping those who have suffered from the war the united states should not be in afghanistan nation building or anything else and
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our track record suggests that we aren't competent to do this and it isn't exactly appreciated by people who see us bombing property destroying lives and then coming in and building a new school should be has enjoyed her time in l.a. she was invited to a gallery in beverly hills to paint with her prosthetic arm she showed quite a bit of talent with colors apparently chubby is that going home to afghanistan where every day millions of parents live in fear that their children might pick up a grenade thinking it's just the rock in washington i'm going to check on our team . xabi is just one child out of many thousands who grow up scarred either physically or emotionally by the war in afghanistan and many have been killed too according to a u.n. report more than five hundred miners have died in violence caused by u.s. led airstrikes and bombings in total since the beginning of the conflict in two thousand and one an estimated twenty seven thousand civilians have lost their lives
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or columnist conn hallinan he's from the think tank foreign policy in focus believes u.s. troops were never actually meant to protect civilians. it's an error to look at the role that this point of the u.s. in afghanistan and also of the pressure by the u.s. to maintain military forces in afghanistan is a question of security and it has more to do with the fact that the u.s. wants a military footprint on the border of both pakistan and iran afghanistan was never secure even when there were a hundred thousand u.s. troops well now there are thirty thousand u.s. troops so the the loss of the u.s. troops i don't think will make a major difference in terms of. in terms of the security i think most people in the countryside are just round there's a war over the. u.s. troops are not protecting those people in any case. news for you on our t.v.
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dot com including it's amazing how far a dollar can strange russian energy john gazprom bought out a huge gas monopoly just that amount the devil's in the details. also online a new high tech system makes its debut at fukushima damaged nuclear plant stopping toxic flows leaking out into the ocean and his something that might come in handy there too. and israeli company has developed a body belt that comes your vital organs and protects them from the worst effects of radiation the full story. car bombs exploded outside the bank of greece in central athens damaging nearby buildings but causing no injuries police say an anonymous caller warned a local newspaper that a bomb had been planted it came just hours before greece was due to return to the international bond markets and a day before german chancellor angela merkel's planned visit to the country it also
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comes on the back of a nationwide strike against budget cuts and layoffs in the public sector demanded by foreign creditors constitutional law expert george says no amount of government spin can make greeks believe that austerity measures have improved their lives. for once a year. i. don't. know. what. force. story where we. now have some more world news in brief millions of billion dollar cost of voting
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a third phase of national parliamentary elections curity run new delhi and other areas in the north of been stepped up amid concerns of violence no position nationalists a promise to fight corruption and a mounting a serious challenge to the ruling congress party continued until the middle of a may. australian officials say they may have picked up a new signal from the missing malaysian air waves plane in the southern indian ocean plane scouring the seas to take to the paying attention if you can't flight recorders in the same area where boats detected other signals earlier this week boeing triple seven went missing a month ago with two hundred thirty nine people on board. finding an affordable roof to sleep on it can be something of a challenge in london and that's forcing young working people to make themselves creatively comfortable and all sorts of cronies put the boy to reports. i. have space in the center of the capital for
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a fraction of the average london rent. i. think. so this is our kitchen area property guardians are taking up residence in commercial buildings to keep them squashed a free to get five old boss. in here sometimes if we're in our pajamas they get a bit of a shock because they're expecting it to be an office or her studio and they see us cooking eggs and bacon in the morning edward says in his line of what paying four hundred and fifty pounds a month is a godsend the main reason for me. is the price of the rent. free launched the director so work is irregular and not always incredibly well paid. so it's very difficult for me to afford rent in london property guardianship started mushrooming after a change in the law the government decided to criminalize squatting in residential
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property but they left out squatting in commercial property so commercial property owners are not surprisingly very concerned that this will effectively deflect squatters into their buildings they want to find ways of protecting against that you know hence this this idea read off a business based around commercial property goldfields and with no shortage of london is willing to live in warehouses offices and disused church as the applications are streaming in we have trainee doctors we have trainee lawyers accountants nurses people who work for the b.b.c. . they're all young professionals in good jobs who are just climbing the ladder who don't want to spend eighty percent of their milk you salary on the road as living in london is very very expensive the only snag tenants have to be ready to move with just two weeks notice and there's no pets no children no see. smoking and crucially you know a lot of parties. which is
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a shame when you live in such an amazing building your job is to look after the building and make sure stay safe and make sure that you don't get complaints from the neighbors well this was once a done studio you can see it's got mare is going right across the river but it's now used as a lounge area by the guardians and through this purple let corrido you have what used to be the gyms changing rooms say with one two three four five shower cubicles for the guardians to choose from and three toilets is that it doesn't feel like a residential property yeah i have to go up and down for flights of stairs to get to the showers but you know it gets my heart beating in the morning and a bit of exercise so that's fine for now i see myself living as a guardian for a long time i'm very happy i'm living with a large group of ten of my best friends and. i'm i've got affordable rent and i'm living in the center of london say for me it's the dream at the moment. and
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despite the clocks it's a dream that many more london is eager to tap into. artsy london. i'll be back with news team and just have a half an hour with more for you in the meantime still to come out of the international i v morton also why the controversy behind drone use of mass surveillance is actually leading to more funding. for those who believe in heaven is a place of perfection where all the evils of our world war famine and racism vanish if there is an afterlife we are. i hope that in it we will all finally be equals but that is our spirits said they are corpses will still be very much so segregated
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especially at a new cemetery in germany you probably think oh some neo nazi group wants to have their own cemetery with those meddling turkish immigrants but no it isn't all lisbon graveyard according to time magazine it's a four hundred square meter chunk of lutheran burial plots has been set aside for homosexual women by a group of elderly lesbians called the sophia association let's take a big deep breath and think about this why in our modern age do we need to divide corpses by their former sexual preference if a few go for a straight person and a homo sexual person happen on the same day at the same graveyard will the universe explode or something also are groups fighting for acceptance of equality soul why are you advocating post-mortem segregation yet the saffir association i guess has the right to do this but is an idea that is an amazing combination of stupid pointless and hypocritical all to same time let's leave dumb segregation for the mortal world please but that's just my opinion.
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suspending russia from the da to my mind is pandering to domestic bloggers and two weeks to mr binion within the united states and other systems it teaches to my my last seat is diplomacy you cannot afford not to talk to a country like russia. and there i'm not a martin and this is breaking the set so despite fox news as best efforts discredit the numbers over seven million people many of whom have never had health insurance or of signed up for health care plans great about the affordable care act but while demick. crowds have been celebrating this noteworthy achievement earlier this week the obama administration quietly head of the private insurance industry another
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major victory sort of following through on cutting back payments to private insurers participate in a program known as medicare advantage obama decided to keep the lucrative subsidies in place for next year see just this year these insurance companies already received eight billion dollars more than they even needed from the government to cover all seniors enroll in the program an unfortunate decision considering how cutting these unneeded subsidies was predicted to save the government one hundred fifty six billion dollars over the course of a decade so if you're sick of this country's health care policy being written by the private insurance industry and join me and let's break the set. of the please please please take that leap very hard to please the other lightly that sadly that are there are those. that believe.
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such. a litmus little. last weekend a new captain america movie came out i know it seems like a superhero movie comes out every other weekend but this one is a little different you see the film points out some topical controversies concerning the american government see the plot is centered around an all-american superhero discovers that the agency is working for is launching a program called project insight and which drones are so. the patrol the skies and target quote security threats. sounds familiar the parallels between the film and
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reality don't and there whistleblowers also play a larger role in the plot when captain america supports insiders leaking videos of project insight and the agency's abuse of civil liberties and spoiler alert the american public reacts to these leaks with complete outrage which leads to captain american self destroying all the drones just like real life right i think that's where the parallels and in fact when the legal program is exposed by a whistleblower here in america it's usually expanded for example just this week the navy announced a new one hundred million dollar drone program to refit military helicopters to become completely unmanned and check this out operators will be able to control these new killer choppers from an app on their tablets but a comforting thought and here's the thing drone use is escalating despite the fact the existing drone program has killed twenty four hundred people in the first five years the obama administration alone and that's
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a conservative estimate that number doesn't even count everyone has died in two thousand and fourteen via drones including three quote terror suspects killed in yemen earlier this month but as drones are used in this criminally around the world the outcry against them on the ground is growing for example in places like pakistan where drone strikes are a regular occurrence activists and artists have come together to put up an installation that gives drone victims of face because more often than not it's a valiant women and children who are targeted by these killing machines whose death from above are seen as just another bug splat so while hollywood tries its best to imitate life through its art we must remember that in the real world where whistleblowers are persecuted and drone programs have no end in sight there won't be a captain america to come save us. as
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the senate intelligence committee's lengthy report on the cia's controversial torture program nears release committee chair dianne feinstein has been raising her voice loudly against the agency so you feinstein's perfectly ok with the n.s.a. spying on every human being on the planet but as soon as she found out that the cia been spying on her and her staff she suddenly became very vocal about her privacy being violated because also accuse the cia of breaking the law and undermining the entire oversight process. there's one thing we know about the cia it's the last thing they want is to make their clandestine activities public so of course the agency is doing everything in its power to make sure the report does as a little damage as possible which includes heavy editing redaction and it pains me to say this but attacking feinstein for absurd reasons check out former cia director michael hayden at the same fox news senator feinstein wanted to report so scathing that it would ensure that an un-american brutal program of detention
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interrogation would never again be considered or permitted now that sentence that motivation for the report chris may show deep emotional feeling on the part of the senator but i don't think it leads to an objective report right man i wish i wasn't so motion a lot of legal torture black sites and flagrant unaccountable criminality but i guess that just comes with being that a woman so her print on all the noise are too political commentator sam sacks well sam so michael hayden hasn't been at the cia for five years why is he continuing to go on t.v. not only to defend all these programs sam but making sexist attacks against dianne feinstein and believe me dianne feinstein is my least favorite person yet it still absurd. trying to protect his own but i mean looking at these programs there's nobody more critical to the creation. and implementation of these programs the some of the most controversial programs of the bush administration from the warrantless
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surveillance to the cia torture program as michael hayden he served as the head of the n.s.a. from one thousand nine hundred nine to two thousand and five that was during the time that the surveillance capabilities grew immensely post nine eleven and then he went from the n.s.a. to head the cia from two thousand and six to two thousand and nine just as the agency was dealing with the disclosure of this torture program and the destruction of the torture interrogation videos i think we're trying to figure out what is motivating michael hayden i think it's best to look at senator ron wyden is quote he sits on the intelligence committee he came to the defense of chairwoman feinstein when he basically said this and i think we have the quote of what he said about general hayden general hayden unfortunately has a long history of misleading the american public he did it on domestic surveillance when he was a head of the n.s.a. and he did it on torture when he was the cia director those are words coming from someone on the committee who knows what's in this torture report which suggests to me that michael hayden's name is likely mentioned in this torture report and
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michael ames trying to jump in front of this report and discredit the people who wrote it to protect himself of of course and hayden isn't the only one who is going out there and preemptively trying to attack the report and say no no everyone calm down this is amazing jose rodriguez jr the former head of the cia as national clandestine service i don't know what that is but he was the head of it for some reason and was given a room in the washington post totally on ethically to make a preemptive strike against a report called iran a cia interrogation program now what or what the senate report says i know it worked sound so we just say this guy's word for well remember this is the cia's washington post if bezos has a huge who owns the washing poses a huge contract and we shouldn't be too surprised by favorable inc for the c.i. a look there's a lot of people said that wouldn't be any conflict of interest there so i don't think i'm going to work there. a lot of defer to believers of this program and they're going to just they're just starting to reignite this debate over the
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torture program the committee voted eleven three to declassify the summary of this report that means a bunch of republicans on the committee supported declassification not because they support the report because they want to declassify it so that they can then present their own for information to justify the torture programs as a program as well so if we think that this report is going to this report will likely offer the condemnation that a lot of us want to see officially put on this torture program but defenders of the program are seeing this as another opportunity as you see mr rodriguez doing to rewrite history and say look this this this program was effective to counter terrorism even though it looks like there's no real evidence that that's the case is right and what is the status of the report right now well it's vote came out of committee to declassify which means it's going to go to the white house now it's going to be up to the white house to look at and it wasn't the whole report the report is over six thousand pages the torture report the committee only voted to declassify about four hundred pages of that's the executive summary in the findings those pages now go to the white house where they're going to have the final
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redaction decisions over it and what gets released and the cia's going to conduct their own report and it's expected that the white house is going to cede a lot of the redacting to the cia so basically we're going to have is the cia holding the black marker at this report that supposed to be exposing an american in brutal tactics by the cia the so little idea this is not supposed to redact things that are embarrassing to them or things that they disagree with they should only redact things that are related to ongoing investigations or related to national security but we've seen that the administration the cia has been very loose with how they use national security exemptions for a number of reasons so i wouldn't be surprised if they use as a very broad term to redact a lot of random finds and kind of calling on obama to say please don't let the cia really take that black market react everything because god knows if they do there will be one word legible at the end of the summer and sam what else. might we learn from the report when it is released well besides some more dirt on michael hayden
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we will let jose rodriguez you know we've seen some reports trickle out to media outlets of what's in this torture report reporter jason leopold with without zero talked about how there's going to information about guantanamo as one of the cia black sites where torture was taking place and the cia work with the british government the polish government the moroccan government yeah afghan government for all these cia black sites. for for torture to be used it will get into how with this you know you misled members of congress over the tactics that were used the effectiveness of the tactics whether or not the justice department really approved of the tactics and whether or not valuable information was actually gleaned from using these tactics the washington post you know what do you want has also said that this report contains a lot of examples of the cia misleading congress over this torture report i mean i guess it is damning to have just multiple more black sites confirmed of course they don't want that happening now let's just let's shift gears here to the n.s.a. edward snowden spoke to the council of europe this week and said that the n.s.a.
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is spying on the top human rights organizations i mean a human rights watch other you know i don't know. what are the implications of this but this is something we sort of known about it was reported at the end of last year that the n.s.a. was taking interest in humanitarian groups like unicef doctors around the world it fits in with what you'd expect the n.s.a. is doing based on what we've learned over the last eight or nine months which is collect everything from the domestic drug no telephone metadata program to the dragnet surveillance on entire populations around the world it's all about collecting it all in just because you're a humanitarian organization that's addressing world hunger refugees or something like that doesn't mean you're protected from right to say surveillance you're simply not everybody is subject to it right exactly yeah i don't know why that's so surprising it's like a guy every one that's that's kind of the first link that we found out some speaking of humanitarian organ organizations being spied on or raw. they're spying on other people what the hell a usa idea that's cuba twitterers in zuni you know you were just at the hearing
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about it what did you find out well there are a lot of lawmakers that weren't happy with the disclosure of the us it was conducting this sort of program in cuba remember us it is an international development group that its mission is to eradicate extreme problem is our property and to promote democratic governance and it seems to be also interested in far more shadow we mission which is regime change around the world and that's seems to be what was happening q but you had lawmakers come out and explicitly say look this is about regime change in cuba and where did they did this idea from well it looks like they got this idea from the n.s.a. we have slides that just were published in the intercept from edward snowden and you can see that the n.s.a. is there's a slide right there specifically interested in propaganda mass messaging using these sort of tools it was covert when the n.s.a. does it but apparently it's not covert when you know that i really just think that they really care about the cubans and i just really were trying to help them out and i think you're just really out of proportion here and you scored sure that you
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think is outdated and that coming up you guys all feature an exclusive interview with chuck d. from public enemy i don't want to miss it. i marinate join me. in that in part and. carry on for this and much much. only on bass and. this year of willing to overlook those technical issues that liberals a little bit too accepting crain first of all i don't think we should bend the rules and i don't think we will be. if. you're crane for example to nato but let's be frank if crane was
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a member of nato before this happened russia would have never used military force on crimea the baltic countries should not be afraid because russia will of course never go into the baltic to cost them a member of nato and downfall it would stop. suspending the show from the my mind is pandering to domestic lobbies and extremist opinion within the united states and other it is to my mind not see it as diplomacy you cannot afford not to talk to a country like russia. rules
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and if it doesn't you can jump in anytime you want. public enemy is one of the most successful hip hop groups of all time the rap collective introduce an entirely new musical genre to the world that incorporate a politically charged and socially conscious lyrics an anti-establishment message
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and a philosophy that question authority and perhaps no member of the group and bodies this notion of more than a front man chuck chuck has consistently ranked as one of the top and c's analysts of all time and has taken public enemies dr nearly one hundred countries around the world of the course of over ninety global tours and just this past year public enemy was inducted into the rock and roll hall of fame all chuck's a hard man to track down the was able to join me at three am earlier this morning to talk about the corporate takeover of music the political issues he's currently passionate about and the upcoming festival on may tenth that we will both be featured at called united we stand and first asked and how it feels to be a part of the rock and roll hall of fame. no better feeling was. was reached you know rock n roll hall of fame night when we had. the honorable harry belafonte. introduce us and we pay tribute to
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him by you know we pay tribute to him when he actually talked about us and that was something that we had to really try to push to make it happen because how many times you see octogenarians especially those of color speak their mind about what's going on in the world the trust just going on that the mouthpiece inspired government and this world worldwide. atrocities by structural situations that are more about the haves and the one percent and the have nots and and those out. and harry belafonte spoke to that being introduced by spike lee who made it possible to include public enemy and film with the uses of music and film to make political statements so that was the high point of the rock n roll hall of fame and when you design your signature public enemy number one uses if we but the group why did you guys decide to put
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a man in crosshairs if you feel like your group is being targeted and if so by whom well. r m d which is the name age he started off in one nine hundred eighty when ronald wilson reagan became president that was the beginning of r. and b. reagan and bush and being a black man twenty years old in one nine hundred eighty going through the decade of the eighty's i seen a lot of things that were highly hypocritical the same old guard in charge and just total white washing over everything present in order to get back to the great old american spirit for whatever that meant so witnessing this and the eighty's with the whole thing about you know reagan i knew that being a black man or black teenager or black male and one nine hundred eighty eighty two eighty one seventy nine seventy eight i knew we were targeted and not being
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part of the night except as part of the public public enemy goes back to that of original thing in the constitution to consider black people three fifths of a human being. and with that if the public is going to follow the document of the constitution we're going to be written up in it and therefore must be the enemy adversaries so public enemy came up out of it and on talk it was a boy at the time which is the person that followed hip hop the rebellious figure that really didn't go for the okey doke of course you know cross dogs like run d.m.c. you know this undercurrent of the bastardize ace in the music chart you said in the past and the as a black music within the group white i think the music industry has started to brand individual artists more and abandon that group this was
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a concentrated effort by the major record companies who are in cahoots with the radio networks they all what they call quote plantations which have slave ploy used to do whatever it takes just to keep things into the the black as opposed to the red but where the co-op plantation does not give a damn about the population on the whole and just worries about there did. this spread sheets and their charts and their p n l's then they have to be questioned they have to be checked. in the radio stations work on that premise the record companies which are really banking systems work on connected premises and all these things that's why i kind of wrote a piece recently saying that what are we going to do for about stopping hip hop
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from becoming. the new cointelpro one stop shop for the prison just your conflicts yeah because if you create a climate a you say it's hip to actually. go into this area of study where they've set up these are they created these new laws. locking up so many people for almost like doing nothing you know if the situation. creates the climate and it's all about getting into the black as a profit motive and they also have invested in prisons then they created a one stop shop by actually fulfilling the climate last year not one black artist had a number one single on billboard hot one hundred for the first time in fifty five years chuck d. what do you think that signifies the direction of the music industry. is not wrong with macklemore winning best rap but it probably is something wrong with somebody
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who says that they control the category of rap music and hip hop and redefined the redefinition of red music in hip hop when there's never been a clear definition is probably more troublesome than anything so when it comes down to people making statements like rove that music can make political statements that actually move people well my question is who told you that on all hip hop could not be sucked into actually propel human beings to think beyond just having a good time you know in a ten by ten foot room and yet while they dance it well who told you that so there's a lot of this gnome is out the other half floated around to be legitimized by co-op plantations that hip hop can also expose and point of things out but it still has to maintain its ground and be strong by doing it sure tell our viewers about your role in the occupy free air movement and how it's helping to fight clear channel's
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consolidation the airwaves. to rescue radio free radio is just the waves that are in the air that could be picked up with a more f.m. receiver small radio whatever and the fact that these companies been knowing this they have control of who is on the air. who they're going to do business with. and and that's been that way for like the last fifty years and that's just a crime where the a local artists can't be heard as zero chance of being heard locally because the airwaves a sucked up and soaked up by the squat plantations yeah that want to say the same songs over and over and over again at the same artists amazing it is a crime you know but you know the question is like we asked the question why and never get an answer and you get answers you still terror to tell it terry and their answers like well they're the ones who probably what people were asking for it's
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like a psychopath of love don't have a thing it's like well we played it to you and i did time so you get conditioned to what's been played so you think you guys have had ninety five tours ninety six countries how their travels and phone care views on the notion of internationalism . immediately we knew that without point of view we couldn't exist here in this vacuum the minute we were able to get up passports which i do which is kind of derogatory of getting a passport like bacon for a slave people so what difference is that from the likes of south africa back when you had to have your freedom papers all year you shown some buy in america that you you got to you know give permission to go from one plantation to another plantation because a masters told you so why just take us derogatory for human beings specially in the millennium to give permission to visit the planet earth but we've got to have a passport because governments are in charge of things and give me i'm
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a cultural is i my earth this and i'm i'm not a citizen of anything i believe that culture and governments are diametrically opposed farpoint in the way of a government that says it's in charge of culture. so i like the work and i like to visit the world i don't really does it i got it you know i don't like asking governments for permission to visit the earth which i feel all humans should have check we are both going to be at the free and equal festival on may tenth which is all about credo not level playing field for political candidates why did you sign on board of the fast of all. because i got a big royce and i think my my my voice long with my partners could lead a john moore with big voices to make an impression with music can be just says impactful if not more so with the use of technology in
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and direct media today then to pete seeger's. the kingston trio curtis mayfield odetta joan baez people like that you know we should be able to make it pop be impactful and make a statement in a skate the the corporate veil that just cloaks dumb-ass occasion and. entire election lism on it and on the masses i think is the position of the artists in r.t.c. to combine with people who do this work tire tirelessly nonstop all the time. giving their lives into it the least we can do is our this is bring light today like a prison music that's universal language and that's what's so amazing about this
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festival is bringing so many artists musicians and just really amazing radical thought their child and there's so much divide and conquer going on when it comes to united these voices outside of the establishment will it take more events like united we stand to really take this alternative movement movement forward. so ashamed that we would consider it considering this radical the whole game and trick is that they could get a couple that they could get time on their side and get a couple of generations who are really combat of about to get old and pass on a trip to new generations and so toys at them to hold them off it one of the biggest crimes is is the m.t.v. networks networks and this but still m.t.v. even p t y v because they give you nothing really and the booty and dug network of bt that's hijacked hip hop and rap music and the whole games as they extend teenage
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years to thirty five. and they've been this is been the principal says one nine hundred ninety let's turn teenagers from seventeen to thirty five and when they wake up out of the fog at thirty six years old they feel that you know with three or four kids it paralyzed to move left or right so they've got to go with the flow people are really waking up to this and that's why i like you know we stand festival and this show and your music really hoping they can bring people out of the flounder unite fight resist get back to the root and really make a change here chuck d. amazing to have you on thank you so much. thanks for watching you guys good night.
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what events led to you ending up in this care home wintery migrated declared incapable of taking care of myself and certainly here is simply can't insist on his own rights without someone else's support and. suddenly he started to be afraid of everything for you he was afraid of people he was afraid of dogs. the doctors suggested that he might have autism they told me he had virtually no future. of course it's still very hard to understand him. there's i love you too.
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they have come here to produce law the center identifies them rectifies wrongful convictions and other serious miscarriages of justice and to save an innocent man's life these young law student cern investigating the case even begin to imagine what i think is sort of like a concept. lost and seeking the truth to establish whether the witness had provided false testimony to them ok mainly children. will the one who has lost all hope finally gain his freedom. hero's first semester on march. the same series of a global basis try to play out the same people are going to make it your new
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tornado and you're like rocky horror picture show treating everybody. somehow a no dollar lab no weapon of my own life but hey. most of us think that's setting all. these cases of to beat moments. sometimes for nothing which. is so easy and simple it's just. it's not just a story he's jobst if you see a stage eight no pizza will go. teach.
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as kids military movements and threats of force set antigovernment protesters in the east of ukraine on edge we head into an occupied building in the rest of city of donetsk to get the inside story. that i'm approaching one zero that ukraine's gas status reached a critical level and is putting supplies that risk. russia is stripped of voting rights and membership of the parliamentary assembly of the council of europe known as pace in a move moscow's called a complete political fast. from a studio center in moscow this is r.t. international with twenty four hours
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a day kiev post coup authorities are threatening to storm administrative buildings currently held by anti-government protesters in eastern ukrainian cities that's forming a previous claim that it would take them forty eight hours to deal with the dissent on the by diplomacy or force but the protesters say they won't be going anywhere notion of spoke to some of them in the city of donetsk. we're now in solid would cease to be the den that's correctional ministration hand which has become recently the santos and to hear the protests this is where those who did not recognize the country's new authorities gathered and this is from where they fled the creation of the nets people's independent republic this republic has its own forces aimed at protecting that there must men that we can see here and that they mostly formed from simple volunteers but they're also police and army defectors and moan that it must we defend our model and from the fascist army that's going to kill us as well
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for a referendum for being independent from kiwis and being with russia. we can see here in their mode of call tails for example people say they will do their best to avoid any violence but if they raise a violent against them they will be forced to use these things i only have a stick to defend myself they're coming own with machine guns and noise had yesterday for example was a chilling members of ukraine's right sector known for their violent methods claimed to have come here to liberate the area from the people they call separatists this is when barricades appeared around the building and also inside it then it is a very large city known as ukraine's industrial capital around one million people live here while the day of creation is home to the tenth of the country's population and today they still think they're wrong representatives of almost all major cities and towns all face region basically mine workers and employees of the
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region's numerous factories and enterprises and each region pi's its. floor in this eleven story building residents of neighboring regions also came to express solidarity including crimea which rejoined russia following the historic referendum in march something to nat is only now preparing to also go through the loss of a protest against gives nationalism we are for social justice the creation of a republic means drastic changes in the way our territories organized we are for equality of languages we are against the oppression of the majority by the nationalist minority and against threatening ethnic russians we don't consider naziism to be normal then yes go visit perched there's been that's greek incense about four hundred seventy million dollars to kiev and less than one hundred fifty million returns all the mines and enterprises in the nets are prosperous illinois
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in the middle. to declare its influence. within the next month you. will have to decide what questions to college and residents will have to answer at the referendum before ukraine's presidential elections and need. to decide which country you want to meet the. teeth on the landscape rain. or footage from eastern ukraine shows how serious a threat could be convoys of armored vehicles can be seen moving through the area accompanied by troops locals in the donetsk region try to stop one such convoy and were injured by the vehicles driving straight through the crowd well a convoy was going towards another restive city that of lugansk interim authorities in kiev issued an ultimatum to the protesters there to either leave the occupied
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buildings by the end of the day or face an armed crackdown. has already seen violent police action which was dubbed an anti-terrorist operation by here seventy people were detained there and that is exactly what the anti-government activists in the nets are concerned about stockpiling improvised weapons and building barricades to defend themselves against armed police. russia's president has warned that ukraine's gas debt could threaten energy supplies to europe lottie's kitty pilgrim joins me now in the studio to tell us more about this katie hi there bill yes he said that it's a critical state at the moment he said there's serious concern going on and that's because we know that the majority of russian gas goes through to europe via ukraine and that's a problem as as we can see just here we got the transit country ukraine right mac in the middle and these are all the pipes transporting that gas just now as i say
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almost half of russian imports do go through via ukraine now europe has made efforts to divert. the fire away from this they have been stockpiling developing renewable energy as well hasn't proved to be too successful they still a free much reliance on russian gas and that's why policing is putting out this warning because obviously you haven't paid their bills all three ukraine where is it mostly going to which the majority of it goes to germany so you've got thirty percent going to the european powerhouse as well as that we've also got italy is a huge importer as well garia makes up ninety percent of those imports to. now the situation of kiev not actually paying its gas bills isn't new though when it's not new i'm sure we've had conversations about this in the past when you remember two thousand and six two thousand and nine the gas price wars now in those situations ukraine was not paying its bills and what happened was europe had to
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enjoy a cold winter because of that not just not paying its bills but there were accusations of ukraine siphoning off the gas that she still yet so it didn't make its way through to a year now we did have. a pipe to counteract this called the north stream which takes us directly through to germany bar still the majority does come from ukraine very important the moment now i always want to mention the south stream as well because that is the opposite of the north stream it would be taking gas underneath ukraine via to southern europe now there's talk of those plans being stored at the moment because of the tensions in ukraine because we've got talk of sanctions and the crisis that's going on at the moment but we spread to the chairman of the association of european businesses and he says russia has always been a solid partner. first of all we are definitely not diversifying away from russia we very very aware of the situation that we are in a very comfortable position to be close to the russian gas fields and during the
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past forty years not one cubic meter of gas was not delivered according to complaints so in effect is it right to say that at the moment ukraine is getting its gas for free it's not paying enough well exactly that it hasn't paid a bill since the beginning of this year so that is the problem and president putin made adamantly clear this week that situation cannot go on indefinitely if we have a look at the balance sheet of ukraine we know there is it is a problem in that the amount of money they do own russia in total we got sixteen point six billion dollars now this is the line the three billion that russia lent to ukraine last november that was part of the fifteen billion dollar loan that was the first tranche of that which helped keep the economy afloat thus far according to christine lagarde i.m.f. chief anyway we've got the gas just hair it's now spiraling to two point two billion dollars now this is the gas profit sees
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a reimbursements that russia could claim the profits that they are missing out on because ukraine again haven't paying bills because of the discounts that they have been privy to far and the problem is as i say just to reiterate europe could be left in the cold because kiev isn't able to pay its bills right let's see how you react to all of this in the meantime thank you very much indeed keeping. has expressed both hurt and outrage after being targeted with a slew of new sanctions at the parliamentary assembly of the council of europe but only as a country had its voting rights stripped until next year but its representative functions have also been suspended it means that russia won't be able to take part in election observer missions or have its delegates in the councils governing bodies which is all the more offensive according to the head of the russian delegation given who voted for those sanctions. against those states that have been
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breaking international law on a regular basis during the past fifteen years by bombing belgrade by bombing libya by occupying iraq have no moral right to take any decisions concerning the russian delegation. so let's have a look at what pace actually is well it's made up of forty seven members of the national european parliament sits powers a limited it can only investigate and give recommend asians on key issues that affect the region so its resolutions aren't binding it focuses largely on human rights the protection of minority groups and in some of its latest resolutions the organization advise the u.s. state of texas for example to stop the death penalty it ruled about respecting online privacy and launched a new anti corruption platform the russian delegation appeared both irate and angry at a press conference labeling their decisions completely unjustified no translators were
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present and a number of journalists walked out in protest and further strains to an already tense event. mr this is a press conference not a political statement saying that's me here. here are not happy with my statement you've. nothing to do with. if you are not who was mostly it's we'll leave well it's not just the diplomats sparring over ukraine but the media two journalists and reporters are pushing their version of events sometimes with little basis in reality you are pissing off showed a few examples to my colleague earlier. both found some interesting stuff since ukrainian media is just what it with all sorts of controversial reports related to russia and information is often being shared and reported even though some of it is either complete or hoax altogether some of this is fake is an echo instance this
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picture was published by several media outlets shows alleged empty shelves in a grocery store in crimea but the price tag is in u.s. dollars as in dollars turns out that this picture was taken over in a grocery store but in new york as it was getting rid of expired products now a list picture of a ledge to crimean refugees looks very familiar i mean well this is the do seem like refugees but the same picture was used by another ukrainian media outlet earlier doing a report on syria refugees seven hundred thousand but my personal favorite is this one this is a story about an alleged russian spy caught red handed in ukraine and this idea is sort of like the main proof presented by the media it has lots of grammar mistakes it's in russian but the best thing is that here there's occupation and just what they say in russian what i said as it is spies so that's not very discreet and i would have real i have an idea that's. very good pathetic but also i found an
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interesting video of a ukrainian t.v. station preparing to do a live report from an alleged bromide done for a western rally in crimea and here's the reporter and it seems from in their frame there's a lot of people around the journalist but then the camera pans to the right there and you can see there's only like ten fifteen people there but it's a later this is. also is in a vision and he appears to be directing the crowd either to make some noise or to keep quiet so this again raises questions about how correct this information is so there's tons of it out there but surely facts have to be checked. still to come on the program this hour after a short break from national strikes to localise bombings greeks are increasingly resorting to more desperate measures to highlight unemployment and poverty rates. also. the u.s.
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. gets a new prosthetic limb only to be sent back into the heart of the complex and. they have come here to plug. the identified. other serious miscarriages of justice and to save. these young law students are investigating the case. and seeking the truth to establish whether the witness had provided false testimony . will the one who has lost. finally gained his freedom. for a semester. good
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lumber tour. was able to build a new most sophisticated. fortunately doesn't sound anything tim's mission to teach music creation why it should care about humans. this is why you should care only. severely injured by a grenade while playing in heaven age has been given a prophetic during treatment in america now it's time to go home but a brother won't be waiting for he was killed. the same terrible accident or he's going to con is following the story. this seven year old afghan girl was brought to the u.s. for medical treatment almost a year after she was injured in a blast at home her village had been a cauldron of violence is the u.s. invasion of afghanistan one morning she went outside to play with her brother the
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night before there was a violent battle between taliban fighters and u.s. military forces nothing residents there weren't used to she picked up what looked like was a rock but actually it was a grenade hit it on the floor and it exploded the explosion killed bibi's brother it destroyed her right eye and she lost most of her right arm the u.s. nonprofit the children of war foundation brought should be to a hospital in los angeles where she received a prosthetic arm. so many children like i said she's a fortunate one who came here there's so many more children that need this kind of treatment many were victims of roadside bombs or were caught in the crossfire if ongoing insurgent battles u.s. drone strikes are causing an increasing number of civilian casualties charity organizations can hardly keep up with helping those who have suffered from the war the united states should not be in afghanistan nation building or anything else and
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our track record suggests that we aren't competent to do this and it isn't exactly appreciated by people who see us bombing property destroying lives and then coming in and building a new school should be has enjoyed her time in l.a. she was invited to a gallery in beverly hills to paint with her prosthetic arm she showed quite a bit of talent with colors apparently chubby is that going home to afghanistan where every day millions of parents live in fear that their children might pick up a grenade thinking it's just the rock in washington i'm going to check on our team . xabi is just one child out of many thousands who will grow up i have scarred either physically or emotionally by the war in afghanistan and many have been killed too according to a u.n. report more than five hundred miners have died in violence caused by u.s. led airstrikes and bombings in total since the beginning of the conflict in two
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thousand and one an estimated twenty seven thousand civilians have lost their lives will columnist call home and from the think tank foreign policy in focus believes that the troops the u.s. troops were never actually meant to protect civilians. it's an error to look at the role that this point of the u.s. in afghanistan and also of the pressure by the u.s. to maintain military forces in afghanistan is a question of security i think it has more to do with the fact that the u.s. wants a military footprint on the border of both pakistan and iran afghanistan was never secure even when there were a hundred thousand u.s. troops well now there are thirty thousand u.s. troops so the the loss of the u.s. troops i don't think will make a major difference in terms of it in terms of the security i think most people in the countryside are just rather the war be over. u.s.
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troops are not protecting those people in any case. not a dot com including it's amazing how far a dollar can stretch russian energy john gazprom has bought out a huge gas monopoly for just that amount but the devil's in the details you can find out more naughty dot com. also online a new high tech system makes its debut at fukushima's damaged nuclear plant stopping toxic flows leaking out into the ocean and is something that like come in handy there. an israeli company developed a body the company of vital organs and protects them from the worst effects of radiation the full story on our bill called. a car bomb has exploded outside the bank of greece in central athens damaging nearby buildings but causing no injuries police say an anonymous caller warned a local newspaper that a bomb had been planted it came just hours before greece was due to return to the
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international bond markets and a day before german chancellor angela merkel's planned visit to the country it was a comes on the back of a nationwide strike against budget cuts and layoffs in the public sector demanded by foreign creditors constitutional law expert george country god it says that no amount of governments. been to make greeks believe that a sturdy measures have improved their lives. for us you. know. where we. are now for some more world news in brief the millions
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of indians of course their votes in the third phase of national parliamentary elections security around new delhi and other areas in the north have been stepped up amid concerns of violence the opposition nationalists a promise to fight corruption and a mounting a serious challenge to the ruling congress party will continue until the middle of may and. training officials say they may have picked up a new signal from the missing malaysian air waves plane in the southern indian ocean a plane scar in the seas detected a ping potentially from the jet's flight recorders in the same area where boats detected other signals earlier this week the boeing triple seven went missing a month ago with two hundred thirty nine people on board finding an affordable roof to sleep under can be something of a challenge in london and that's forcing young working people to make themselves creatively comfortable and all sorts of nooks and crannies any boy who reports. boodles of space in the center of the capital for a fraction of the average london rent. i. think.
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so this is our kitchen area property guardians a taking up residence in commercial buildings to keep them squatter free to get five old boss guys in head sometimes if we're in our pajamas they get a bit of a shock because they're expecting it to be an office or their studio and they see us cooking eggs and bacon in the morning edward says in his line of what paying four hundred and fifty pounds a month is a godsend the main reason for me is is the price of the rent. a free lunch director so work is irregular and not always incredibly well paid. so it's very difficult for me to afford rent property guardianship started mushrooming after a change in the law the government decided to criminalize squatting in residential
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property but they left out squatting in commercial property so commercial property owners are not surprisingly very concerned that this will effectively deflect squatters into their buildings they want to find ways of protecting against that you know hence the state's idea read off a business based around commercial property goldfields and with no shortage of london is willing to live in warehouses offices and disused church as the applications are streaming in we have trainee doctors we have trained lawyers accountants nurses people who work for the b.b.c. . they're all young professionals in good jobs who are just climbing the ladder who don't want to spend eighty percent of their milk you salary on the road as living in london is very very expensive the only snag tenants have to be ready to move with just two weeks notice and there's no pets no children. smoking and crucially you know a lot of parties. which is a shame when you live in such an amazing building your job is to look after the
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building and make sure you stay safe and make sure that you don't get complaints from the neighbors well this was once a done studio you can see it's got mary's going right across the river but it's now used as a lounge area by the guardians and through this purple let current only have what used to be the gyms changing rooms say with one two three four five shower cubicles for the guardians to choose from and three toilets is that it doesn't feel like a residential property yeah i have to go down four flights of stairs to get to the showers but you know it gets my heart beating in the morning and a bit of exercise so that's fine for now i see myself living as a guardian for a long time i'm very happy i'm living with a large group of ten of my best friends and. i've got a full rent and i'm living in the center of london so for me it's the dream at the moment. and despite the quarks it's
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a dream that many more london is eager to tap into. artsy london. more news for just over half an hour from now in the meantime up to the break on r.t. international it is boom bust with aaron a. you know those famous lines of shakespeare there was something like this empire is there but walking shadows for players and stuff and spread their weapons upon the world stage and then i heard no more their small tales told by idiots full of southern syria signifying nothing love. willing to offer. those technical issues that the rules a little bit too accepting crane first of all i don't think we should bend the rules and i don't think we will be if we accept the ukraine for example to nato but
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let's be frank you know if you crane was a member of nato before this happened russia would have never a military force on crimea the baltic countries should not be afraid because russia will of course never going to the baltic because them a member of nato and downfall it would stop world war. two there i'm marinating you're watching boom bust and these are some of the stories that we're tracking for you today. first up here in the u.s. regulators have approved new capital requirements for the very big big banks however the big boys aren't too happy about it we'll tell you why and what those regulations look like coming right up then we have no meet friends on today's
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program and i sat down with know me earlier today to discuss her brand new book all the president's bankers and you won't want to miss my interview with her and off some of the machines and in today's big deal edward harris and i are talking about the dissipated alpha tape of investment firms for california real estate market hungry more or less you know it's all coming up and it all starts right now. as of tuesday it's the largest u.s. banks will have to out as much as sixty eight billion dollars in. capital now the rule would apply to j.p. morgan citigroup bank of america wells fargo goldman morgan stanley bank of new
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york mellon and state street all the big federal regulators say the new rule is intended to help too big to fail banks withstand losses during periods of market stress the un weighted five percent leverage ratio was approved by the federal reserve f.d.i.c and the office of the comptroller of the currency now requires that the largest banks maintain it well above the global minimum level of capital held against all assets on their books the move prompted industry complaints that less stringent global standards will give overseas competitors an advantage the rule would limit banks reliance on debt in an effort to prevent another financial crisis by twenty eighteen banks must rely more on funding sources such as shareholder equity rather than borrowed money now regulators also said banks must boost capital holdings by a total of ninety five billion dollars and said that most firms are already on track to comply with this new regulation and could meet these requirements by retaining earnings or shrinking and restructuring assets now the financial services
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roundtable which is a trade group for the large banks issued a statement blasting the limits which are more stringent than the international basle three agreement the new rules would require that the eight big banks maintain a top tier of capital equal to five percent of total assets and should banks must meet a six percent ratio which is higher than the three percent ratio included in that basil agreement now banks and other critics of the leverage rule say that it is direct conan and that risk based capital requirements are more tailored to banks businesses draconian really really i think that whining about a five percent capital requirement which frankly just isn't that high all things considered is pretty outrageous now let's imagine that you put down one hundred dollars and the payoff is that twenty to one odds now that's a pretty fantastic deal if it your bet pans out the way that you hope it will but if it goes south well then you're the sucker that's levered up twenty to one same goes for you big banks oh oh and you taxpayers to.
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death of the past twelve months nomi prins has been a renowned author journalist and public speaker however in days prior prinz was also a banker rising managing director of bear stearns and goldman sachs but she quit banking in two thousand and two and has since used her past position as a banker to expose unseemly goings on in the world of finance now this week she has a new book out called all the president's bankers which is a great historical narrative of the last one hundred years of american banking and the incestuous relationship between wall street and washington now i asked know me what the main thesis running through the book was and what she most wants people to
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understand after reading it take a look. it's really two par one is that the research i did which goes back to over a century the alliances between presidents and key bankers of their time. are really what has driven americans foreign and financial and military policy to a large extent over that past century and that in turn a lot of those relationships are very tight family blood intermarriage protos a mentorship associations that really snake through all the administrations in some manner some more tightly than others and that this also has coalesced to form american policy what i find really fascinating is that the actual last name are still the same today as they were one hundred years ago now you know me i want to
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go back a century to the panic of one nine hundred seventy because you know that's when we saw some really from new year names like j.p. morgan george baker james stillman as precursors to citi group there was and we have been rothschild john d. rockefeller whose family was literally. all panicked they all panicked about a meltdown now what exactly happened can you explain this to the viewers. yeah it's a really interesting story as well my favorite sort of opening aspects of the book there were a lot of bad copper trades not subprime like we've had recently copper trades going on at the time and they coalesced to form a. company called the knickerbocker trust company which went bankrupt but because of that panic and it had people out in the streets trying to get their money out teddy roosevelt was sitting in washington wondering how much worse it could get and so forth and so the word came down to j.p. morgan who was the most powerful banker at the time from washington that the
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treasury department would give more again. twenty five million dollars to decide if there are other banks that would be head or trust companies it would be him he could parcel out whichever way he wanted to and j.p. morgan separately realized that it was broader than that and he was very concerned about a particular company called the trust company of america because in that company he had ownership he had connections he had friends running it and so he gathered some of the key bankers of the day together in his library and he told them denounced told them they were all going to pony up some money and it would go into in addition to some the money coming from the treasury department the trust company of america and other companies with which morgan and his friends were aligned and the result of that was you know a smoother economic environment they in fact did the panic but it was done really without morgan's money it was done with morgan's power and what's teddy roosevelt
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allowing asking in fact for him to navigate the situation and that was in one nine hundred seventy incredible stuff you know teddy roosevelt the great trust buster actually took on trust mellons trust and rockefeller standard oil and the other ones that you mentioned but didn't take on the bank after nine hundred seven why is that. it was it was very much because of this and he says this in some of his documents and even in his memoirs teddy roosevelt that he truly believed and he used the word catastrophe that something really bad would happen if he didn't allow the philosophies and the actions of morgan to to happen and that quid pro quo to that was that he also didn't bust morgan's financial interest so he he did go after steele he did go after standard oil but he didn't go after the morgan bank he didn't go after morgan's friend james still lead who was running the national city bank which is now part of what we know is citi group and so he really stepped away
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from doing anything to mitigate the banking power because of his friendship and trust in j.p. morgan and that was something that we've seen continue through all of the decades since woodrow wilson when it came time to look at the clayton antitrust act again to strengthen antitrust and monopoly laws in the united states also did not touch the banks also largely because of his personal association with j.p. morgan sun jack morgan and so forth so it really set a precedent whereby other monopolies were examined far more scrutiny and with far more scrutiny of manner than the banks were so now we let's fast forward to nine hundred twenty nine and we have a different cast of characters with the same company names seem to be pretty much all the same as they were before in yourself now tell me what the heads of the six big banks were leading up to black thursday on october twenty fourth one nine hundred twenty nine and were they caught unaware at the time. the big six banks at
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the time that that term which we now use today for a slightly different alteration of those same six banks was actually coined by v.c. forbes who ultimately ran for magazine and coined that term in that crash period but what happened on the day on thursday after over twenty fourth was that tom lamont who was the acting chairman of the morgan bank still the morgan bank because jack morgan was was was a way overseas saw what was going on the markets saw their interest particularly new u.s. steel and other companies getting slaughtered and called five bankers together to his offices on twenty three wall street which is where the morgan bank resided to decide what to do to save the markets and the decision was almost like what had happened in one thousand seven except that each banker chose to put up twenty five million dollars from their institution and that included charles mitchell from the national city bank now we've taken over from james stillman over the years our wiggin who was running the chase bank at the time and
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a few other people that you know mention in the book that decided they would save the markets by investing in the ironically for example our wigan was shorting his stocks in chase through various number of manipulative strategies while he was sitting in that room saying we need to save chase up some money to do that and after only twenty minutes they all agreed this was the right strategy and two guys went over to the back door of the new york stock exchange there's a conspiracy is this is documented information to give the direction to the buyers to buy stocks shares in the company in which those bankers have the most interest that did buoy the markets for a little bit there was all the stupid lation the press was exalting these these six spankers for saving the day again the morgan bank saves the day it's just like nineteen zero seven and of course in the years of follow the market lost ninety percent of its value twenty five percent of the population was unemployed and we had a great depression this very show boom bust it's all about the wall street washington
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connection but isn't the cozy relationship between finance and politics problematic . it's certainly problematic when there and as we've seen as particularly in these last several decades and also in the decades leading up to to nine hundred twenty nine is that when when people who are in general philosophically aligned and we're talking about families of integration we're talking about bloodlines we're talking about marriages we're talking about similar universities we're talking about similar social engagements so so when it when you get together with people who are like you and you're just into poles of power whether it's financial or whether it's political you have the ability to either do good or not do good you're definitely have each other's ear you're sort of on the same club and when you're fully disallow and when there is a full intention of the financial side of that equation to just do whatever can be done with whatever speculative tools to incur whatever risk which ultimately when
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it breaks falls down on national populations throughout the world and there's no counterbalance on the political side there's no there's no nothing beyond fines there's no not even for get jail sentences there's no structural reform as well and all of that together because there's just no will on the part of of all of the leaderships that we've had recently and also before the crisis to try and make the financial part of the power equation accountable and when one side isn't accountable and the other side has no agenda to create better stability for the broader swath of the population we see more and more crises and so the two thousand and eight crises was just one manifestation of what i believe will be more and larger crises because there is nothing to counterbalance them. that was author nomi prins. time out for a very quick break but stick around because when we return i'm joined by anthony
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randolph though in our new york student city studio and randazzo and i are discussing banking financial regulation and moral hazard good stuff then in today's big deal edward harrison and i are talking about wall street's recent and total lack of interest in southern california a change from what it was a couple months ago and as we head to a quick break here are a look at some your closing numbers and the bells to.
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a director of economic research at the reason foundation to get his view on the state of the banking world today along with financial regulation and moral hazard first and foremost anthony thank you so much for being with us today i really really appreciate having you here as always but now we've spoken with nomi prins earlier today about the american banking system which i'm sure you listened in on and the narrative that she gives is one of unseemly unseemly coziness between washington and wall street and i mean you've heard some of that throughout the interview and you've heard that many other places but now coming from a libertarian perspective which is your perspective does this strike you as very anti free market. well suppose we have a free market which i think relative to venezuela and russia yes but it's it's completely undermines the nature of the free market and what the author it you had on before is describing is pretty much the the mainstream narrative of the house of banking history of how the how the federal reserve got started which was
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a coziness between bankers and washington hand in hand and for the most part the entire regulatory apparatus that we have today was built by both bankers in new york and people in washington d.c. working together. from a libertarian perspective when we talk about deregulation i think sometimes it can be problematic to think about it in a vacuum is if we could just get rid of one rule and then it's fine the coziness between d.c. and new york is problematic because if you get rid of just maybe the volcker rule there still are so many other aspects in the way that washington d.c. supports new york that you don't really have a free market and it creates problems the s.l.s. that if you will. yes from this part of the country now people from very different ideological backgrounds look suspiciously at too big to fail banks yet when lehman brothers failed the markets nearly melted down and they would have had people concept and what's your solution to the wall street to washington boom bust nexus.
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well i think i mean just as a quick point should be careful about what it would mean to say that the markets what a meltdown if the government hadn't stepped in on lehman and whether or not that if you would have been a bad thing but i mean i think that actually kind of gets to the point of maybe the libertarian response to this and it is to look at the political reality and the reality is is that we will never be able to eliminate the sort of hand in hand situation that is between washington d.c. and new york the basel regulations the basel three and the fed's new sort of articulation of how they want to set capital requirements are built on the exact same idea of what existed. for the financial crisis with risk weighted capital requirements in that case we have risk weighted capital requirements create an incentive to buy mortgages and to invest heavily in mortgages it's not going to be the same way with this new set of regulations but the idea that we could keep the same system and it's not going to and that it's going to somehow protect us i think is silly and the reason why we're sticking with the same system is because well you
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will hear wall street see all kinds of things about how terrible the new regulations are they can work with them they can work within this and it actually keeps out competitors the big banks are going to say how awful the new regulations are and that will limit their capacity to earn profits but it's going to limit the ability for other people to compete with them in the united states and that ultimately for them is a good thing and then you do you believe that the volcker rule and dodd frank have solved the lehman problem. absolutely not if you want to expand on that. it's i think it's pretty simple absolutely not the idea that we could be reactionary to the crisis of two thousand really what was a crisis of two thousand and seven going up into early two thousand and nine and craft a set of rules that would have limited some of that behavior and that that somehow is going to stop a future financial crisis i think is naive dodd frank was a political document dodd frank was as far as washington d.c.
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could go without limiting its political contributions coming back to it far enough to where it could claim that it was doing something substantive and look like it was responding and then when the next crisis hits those who were setting up the rules to say hey we did everything we could. figure out a way to get around it we need additional regulations we need to look like we can do more so it didn't solve the problem because it is fundamentally a political document now many supposedly too big to fail banks are getting funding subsidy with tens of billions of dollars but now they must maintain a strict strict i say that we see five percent leverage ratio that's a bug and that's over and above the international standards like you mentioned before and basel and that's not risk weighted now what do you think the result of this regulation will be. it's not particularly clear what the long term implications of it will be i think in the short term there might be there actually might be some more competition internationally whether and how the u.s.
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banks are going to be able to navigate around it where else they put business and how that affects their profit margins i think we can only know in retrospect by looking at how they respond to these particular rules i'm not concerned about their ability to make it to make a hefty profit. in the short term they probably are right in that it will change their competitiveness on the flip side though the idea that there's a lot of european or asian banks that want to come in and a new business in a consistently changing regulatory climate here in the united states i think is a little silly i don't think that their risk of much competition u.s. based you know what about the fed's rejection of citigroup's capital plan now city says it will miss that key profit targets as a result of this same thing here again banks are saying over regulation will lower profitability and therefore hurt credit growth and the u.s. economy so do you buy this. i think the stress tests are also a political thing i mean the stress tests are essentially regulators doing what
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they can and this particular one i think sort of emphasizes the point the citi group was in two rejected on strong subsidy grounds it was largely procedural grounds that they came back and said you didn't pass this test but the regulator is going to look like they're doing something and pushing back on the big guys but they're not really pushing back because it's not going to really do that much to city city gets it's a little bit embarrassed but everybody in wall street knows it's not that big of a deal and they get to move on the stress tests themselves are set up against benchmarks that are also political where regulators you know that their bosses ultimately have political. washington d.c. that will will basically say if you set these limits too tightly that that's going to limit our ability to get reelected because we draw a lot of money from wall street so the stress test themselves are also a political also a political tool everything that happens regulatory wise is very rarely any kind honest this is this is going to be some kind of good best practice it's political
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through and through anthony as always we love your time and your insight thank you for being on the show and i will have you back very soon i'm sure of it that was anthony randolph the director of economic research at the reason foundation time now for today's big deal. i'm joined now by the wonderful ad were to harris and today we're discussing the cooling i mean very cold california housing market not temperatures and basically what this means for so cal together because it was very hot just moments ago now we've discussed this before on the show housing prices have increased the most in the markets that had the biggest collapse during the great recession for example las vegas l.a. san diego and san francisco all face the biggest bust but they also have the. recoveries catch now part of that story now part of the story here here now is that
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investors have bought up the excess housing stock to rent out however with these housing prices increasing there aren't as many good deals out there now the los angeles times reports that home purchases in california are down more than seventy percent compared with the last this time last year and in two thousand and thirteen investment firms they were gobbling up single family homes and now they're falling back and they don't seem as hungry so i have to ask you what's going on here and what deals were these investment groups seeking out that they don't really care about anymore well you know that seventy percent you did was basically it's not the overall market but rather the you know the investor market so the guys who are coming in there the cash buyers who are dominating that market and cause it to go up you know they have seventy percent less volume and so what they're seeing is they're seeing that they've caused prices to go up prices have gone up also because you know the economy is somewhat better as a result of the pull it out because they can't get the rental yields they want but
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here's the question why were these firms these investment firms interested in this market at all in the first place from my perspective a lot of it has to do with the fed basically you know when you have rates coming down to an incredibly low it means that you can love or up into these investments and you can get a good rental yield out of that especially because you had the boom bust cycle and you know. you get a little boom bust in the end and so you know that's what that's what's going on so they've seen the bust they're riding the boom up in the beginning and when the you know the the smart money leaves you've got to wonder you know what's left in that market and what type of turn were returned were they looking for and looking at twenty jolley they were looking at. the situation if the market goes up like ten or fifteen. and your love for the water ten the wall of the new looking doubling your money basically now is what's happening out in california
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the same thing that we're seeing in cities like los vegas phoenix miami and what is the housing market like right now if this is what we're seeing across the board i don't know if we are you going to have you well you know i think we have a chart here that shows what it looks like in the various markets and you can see here this is the home price relative to fundamentals we're talking about you know relative to income is relative to red. and you can see that the ones in green are the ones in california they are definitely some of the biggest. spikers in that remark including silicone valley so how con re going to get you know yesterday by some viewers and you're right i always mispronounce that it was still a con thank you and from that now i think we have one more charge that we want to bring up for the. investment firms that are buying up of all the stuff what does that mean for the families that want to buy a house maybe you can do this year over year change and so i did see the ones in
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green that's california there they're going up monstrously i mean those are huge spikes up. you're not a cast by rent to buy or to if you have to read this you are seeing less money you know your money's not going this far into the checkout honolulu yet we're on the economy we're. back down in that one that's ahead as always thank you so much that's all the time we have for now but you can see all segments featured in today's show on you tube or you tube dot com slash boom bust r t we also love hearing from issa please check out our facebook page facebook dot com slash from the start he's treated us at edward n.h. from all of us here the best thanks for watching shall. i.
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t.v. . that's gives military movements and threats of force at antigovernment protesters in the east of ukraine on edge we head into an occupied building in the rest of city of the next to get the inside story. that made him want to europe that ukraine's gas debt has reached a critical level and is putting supplies at risk. russia is stripped of voting rights and membership perks of the parliamentary assembly of the council of europe known as pace and a move moscow has called a complete political farce.
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from austria center in moscow this is r.t. international with twenty four hours a day and he government protesters in the east of ukraine a bracing themselves for what could become a violent night following threats from but those who don't recognize the legitimacy of the post-coup authorities say they're not going anywhere near for a notion of spoke to some of them in the city of the net. where now inside would cease to be the jeannette's ministration hand what has become recently the santos antihero protests this is where those who did not make the noise the country's new authorities gathered and this is from where they fled the creation of the nets people's independent republic this republic has its own forces aimed at tactic that they are not the man that we can see here and that. symbol volunteers but there are also police and army defectors and mon them. land from the fascist army that's going to kill us for
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a referendum for being independent from kiev and being with russia. to can see here in there most of call tails for example people say they will do their best to avoid any violence but if they raise it by this against them they will be forced to use these things i only have a stick to defend myself they're coming own with machine guns annoyed had yesterday for example was a chilling members of ukraine's right sector known for their violent methods claimed to have come here to liberate the area from the people they call separatists this is when barricades appear there around the building and also inside it then yes it is a very large city known as ukraine's industrial capital of around one million people live here while the day of creation is home to the tens of the country's population candidate building the wrong route cresent it is of almost all major cities and towns all face region basically mine workers and employees of the
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region's numerous factories and enterprises and each region pi's. who are in this eleven story building residents of neighboring regions also came to express solidarity including crimea which rejoined russia following the historic referendum in march something internet is only now preparing to also go through the . protest against gives nationalism we are for social justice the creation of a republic means drastic changes in the way our territories organized we are for equality of languages we are against the oppression of the majority by the nationalist minority and against threatening ethnic russians we don't consider naziism to be normal ten years ago this approach that's been that's greed in sense about four hundred seventy million dollars to kiev and less than one hundred fifty million returns all the mines and enterprises in the nets are prosperous illinois
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in the river. and in the region. he. declared the fictional routines within the next month little different issues will have to decide what questions to nantes college and residents will have to answer at the referendum before ukraine's presidential elections and meet and what to decide what country they want to meet. you know if national teeth on don't ask rain footage from eastern ukraine shows how serious kiev threats could be convoys of armored vehicles could be seen moving through the area accompanied by troops locals in the dinette screeching try to stop one such convoy and they were injured by the vehicles driving straight through the crowd now that convoy is going towards another restive city that of lugansk the interim authorities in kiev issued an ultimatum to the protesters there to either leave the occupied buildings by the end of the day or face an armed crackdown
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kakavas already seen violent police action which interim leaders say is a special operation against separatists seventy people were detained there and that's exactly what the anti-government activists in the nets are concerned about stockpiling improvised weapons and building barricades to defend themselves against armed riot police. or russia's president sworn that ukraine's gas debt could threaten energy supplies to europe if you pull being explained the details. he said it is a critical stage at the moment he said there's serious concern going on and that's because we know that the majority of russian gas goes through to europe via ukraine and that's a problem as as we can see just here we got the transit country ukraine right mack in the middle and these are all the pipes are transporting that gas just now as i say almost half of russian imports do go through via ukraine now europe has made
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efforts to diversify away from this they have been stockpiling developing renewable energy as well hasn't proved to be too successful they still a very much reliant on russian gas and that's why policing is putting out this warning because obviously ukraine have paid their bills gas going through ukraine where is it mostly going to which european cup the majority of it goes to germany so you've got thirty percent going to the european powerhouse as well as that we've also got italy is a huge importer as well garia makes up ninety percent of those impulses to. the situation of not actually paying its gas bills isn't new though when it's not new i'm sure we've had conversations about this in the past bill when you remember two thousand and six two thousand and nine the gas price wars now in those situations ukraine was not paying its bills and what happened was europe a cold winter passed we spoke to the chairman of the association of european
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businesses and he says russia has always been a solid partner first of all we are definitely not diversifying away from russia we very very aware of the situation that we are in a very comfortable position to be close to the russian gusti and during the past forty years not one cubic meter of gas was not delivered according to complaints. the moment ukraine is giving its go for free it's not pretty enough well exactly that it hasn't paid a bill since the beginning of this year so that is the problem and president putin made it adamantly clear this week that situation cannot go on indefinitely if we have a look at the balance sheet of ukraine we know there is it is a problem in that the amount of money they do own russia in total we got sixteen point six billion dollars now this is the loan the three billion that russia lent
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to ukraine last november that was part of the fifteen billion dollar loan that was the first tranche of that which helped keep the economy afloat thus far according to christine lagarde i.m.f. chief anyway we've got the gas here it's now spiraling to two point two billion dollars now these are the gas profits these are reimbursements that russia could claim the profits that they are missing out on because ukraine again haven't paying bills because of the discounts that they have been privy to far and the problem is as i say just to reiterate europe could be left in the cold because is unable to pay its bills. never said it does not recognize the new prices russia is charging for the gas and insists it will only pay the old heavily discounted rates to get more perspective now on the issue with foreign affairs editor of the chronicles magazine said coverts with me in the studio ukraine's economy is in shambles the people are clearly suffering if it really came to it do you think russia could turn
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off the taps and if so would that be morally justified oh if we're talking about moral justification let's remember the first opec oil crisis in the winter of one nine hundred seventy three seventy four after the young people war it would have been rather funny for the western countries which import to the arab oil to say oh we don't recognize your prices we are going to pay the old once more just occasion doesn't come into it what we're looking at is business like any other and if the western countries are so terribly concerned about ukraine's economy and about the suffering of ukrainian consumers then of course they're more than welcome to re export russian gas which is coming regularly online through the north stream pipeline to germany for instance and i don't think the russians would mind if you if they want to sell that gas to ukraine at discounted prices they're more than
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welcome to do so but at the same time to say that it is a horrible russian bear using the gas weapon because the russians are simply charging normal market prices is ridiculous putin has warned that supplies to europe could be affected if they are what sort of third the backlash will be see against russia after all what we've just seen today in strasburg over the over pace frankly i think that. forget about pace it's a talking shop horrible useless talking shop russia's matter of without it that it will pay said was obviously quite offensive from russia's point of view the message there was the sentiment obviously upset russia but as you say there. in a zation not relevant but what about the backlash from russia if indeed the whole of europe was affected by this i don't think what putin meant was that russia would play with supplies to europe via ukraine but that it is possible the deal craniums themselves start playing games after all they did so with the orange regime in two
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thousand and six and then even more seriously in two thousand and nine so what ukraine would need to do to reassure both russia and europe is to stop saying these ridiculous things we don't recognize the new regime we want to buy gas at discounted prices because that really sounds like a veiled threat and the they do have a weapon in the ability to turn off the pipeline but at the same time i think that it would be up to the europeans to make their judgment their judgment call on who is to blame because let's face it the ukrainians can't have it both ways or even three ways it reminds one of the old pushkin story about the goldfish and the ever escalating demands we want to european ukraine we want a huge crane with the association agreement ukraine we need to organize ukraine west ukrainian give cream and in the end we want also gas discount i mean come on what about the money sixteen point six billion dollars owed to moscow how they're
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going to pay for that i don't think moscow will see any of that money anytime soon but at the same time i don't think that the ukrainians will see much money from the west either because a billion from kerry here and a couple of billion from the there and that. a credit line of x. million billion from from the i.m.f. over so many years is not going to resolve the structural problems is that right now then what is what's good if it's not being paid should it should it actually stop the gas supply them should it say or what would be a bit more no i think the optimal strategy will. would be to say that at this moment we're willing to continue supplying you get gas on credit but that credit will be calculated on the basis of regular and not discounted prices in other words from moscow's point of view it would not be politically advisable to turn off the pipeline but it would to say you are sixteen point whatever billion and we will
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continue calculating what you're on the basis of new prices because the difference between one all the other is minor at the same time it is essential for the europeans to realize that if we follow the us line and this notion is frankly ridiculous notion of punishing russia that in fact there is indirect punishment coming back which is not using. the gas weapon the energy weapon simply the financial weapon of please can we have our money if you want to help ukraine by all means do so but you are the ones who are going to bear the burden and i can tell you that under metcalfe's party and the german voters wouldn't like that one little bit said the coverage foreign affairs editor chronicles magazine great to talk to you thanks for joining us here in the studio. but it's not just the diplomats sparring over ukraine but the media to journalists
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and reporters are pushing their version of events sometimes with little basis in reality it appears kind of showed a few examples to my colleague research early today. both found some interesting stuff since ukrainian media is just what it with all sorts of controversial reports related to russia and information is often being shared and reported even though some of it is either complete or hoax altogether if some of this is fake is an echo instance this picture was published by several media outlets shows alleged empty shelves in a grocery store in crimea but the price tag is in u.s. dollars in dollars turns out that this picture was taken over in a grocery store but in new york as it was getting rid of expired products now a list picture of a ledge to crimean refugees looks very familiar i mean well this is the do seem like refugees but the same picture was used by another ukrainian media outlet earlier doing a report on syria refugees seven hundred thousand but my personal favorite is this
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one this is a story about identification alleged russian spy caught red handed in ukraine and this idea is sort of like the main proof presented by the media it has lots of grammar mistakes it's in russian but the best thing is that here there's occupation and just says what does it say in russian what i said that it should be a spy so that's not very discreet and i would have real i have an idea that's. very good if pathetic but also i found an interesting video of a ukrainian t.v. station preparing to do a live report from an alleged bromide done for a western rally in crimea and here's the reporter and it seems from in their frame there's a lot of people around the journalist but then the camera pans to the right there and you can see there's only like ten fifteen people or bustle later this is. also is in a vision and he appears to be directing the crowd either to make some noise or to
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keep quiet so this again raises questions about how correct this information is so there's tons of it out there but surely facts have to be checked let's go has expressed both. an outrage after being targeted with a slew of new sanctions at the parliamentary assembly of the council of europe not only has the country had its voting rights stripped until next year but it's representative functions of also being suspended it means that russia won't be able to take part in election observer missions or have its delegates in the council's governing bodies which is all the more offensive according to the head of the russian delegation given who voted for those sanctions. that those states that have been breaking international law on a regular basis during the past fifteen years by bombing belgrade by bombing libya by occupying iraq have no moral right to take any decisions concerning the russian delegation now let's have a look at what pace actually is what is made up of forty seven members of the european national european parliament and its powers are limited it can only
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investigate and give recommendations on key issues that affect the region so it's resolutions and binding it also focuses largely on human rights and the protection of minority groups and some of its latest resolutions the organization advised the u.s. state of texas to stop the death penalty it wrote about respecting online privacy and it also launched a new anti corruption platform in the russian delegation appeared both irate and angry at a pushed vote press conference labeling the decisions completely unjustified no translators were present and a number of journalists walked out in protest and in further strains to an already tense event. mr this is a press conference not a statement who is saying this me over you we're. not happy with my statement you've made has nothing to do with. if you almost hope it was my statement it will leave. a lot international law in moscow still to come on
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the program off the short break from national strikes to localize bombings greeks are increasingly resorting to more desperate measures to unemployment and poverty rates. also enough can go last in the aftermath of a us taliban far fight gets a new prosthetic limb need to be sent back into the heart of the conflict zone. willing to overlook those technical issues that they're also a little bit accepting crane first of all i don't think we should bend the rules and i don't think we will be if we accept the ukraine for example to nato but let's be frank if you crane was a member of nato before this happened russia would have never used military force on crimea the baltic countries should not be afraid because russia will of course never going to the baltic the cost them
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a member of nato and downfall it would stop more wall. the. economic down in the final. days the sun sank night and the rest its case will be if we. an afghan girl civilian job by grenade while playing in her village is being given a prosthetic arm during treatment in america now it's time for her to go home but her brother won't be waiting for her he was killed in the same terrible accident
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but he's going to con is following the story. this seven year old afghan girl was brought to the u.s. for medical treatment almost a year after she was injured in a blast at home her village had been a cauldron of violence is the u.s. invasion of afghanistan one morning she went outside to play with her brother the night before there was a violent battle between taliban fighters and u.s. military forces nothing residents there weren't used to she picked up what looked like was a rock but actually it was a grenade hit it on the floor and it exploded the explosion killed bibi's brother it destroyed her right eye and she lost most of her right arm the u.s. nonprofit the children of war foundation brought should be to a hospital in los angeles where she received a prosthetic arm. so many children like i said she's a fortunate one who came here there's so many more children that need this kind of
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treatment many were victims of roadside bombs or were caught in the crossfire if ongoing insurgent battles u.s. drone strikes are causing an increasing number of civilian casualties charity organizations can hardly keep up with helping those who have suffered from the war the united states should not be in afghanistan in nation building or anything else and our track record suggests that we aren't competent to do this and it isn't exactly appreciated by people who see us bombing property destroying lives and then coming in and building a new school should be has enjoyed her time in l.a. she was invited to a gallery in beverly hills to paint with her prosthetic arm she showed quite a bit of talent with colors apparently chubby is now going home to afghanistan where every day millions of parents live in fear that their children might pick up a grenade thinking it's just the rock in washington i'm going to check on our t.v.
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for those who believe in heaven is a place of perfection where all the evils of our world war famine and racism vanish if there is an afterlife we all hope that in it we will all finally be equals but that is our spirits said they are corpses will still be very much so segregated especially at a new cemetery in germany you probably think oh some neo nazi group wants to have their own cemetery away from those meddling turkish immigrants but no it isn't all lisbon graveyard according to time magazine yes a four hundred square meter chunk of lutheran burial plots has been set aside for homosexual women by a group of elderly lesbians called the sophia association let's take a big deep breath and think about this why in our modern age do we need to divide corpses by their former sexual preference if a few go for a straight person and a homosexual person happened on the same day at the same graveyard will the universe explode or something also are groups fighting for acceptance of equality sol why are you advocating post-mortem segregation yet the saffir association i
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guess has the right to do this but is an idea that is an amazing combination of stupid pointless and hypocritical the same time let's leave dumb segregation for the mortal world please but that's just my opinion. you know those famous lines of shakespeare that was something like this empires are but walking shadows poor players that strut and fret their weapons upon the world stage and then are heard no more their small. tales called by idiots. and jerry signifying nothing love the.
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sun and welcome to world a part of the parliamentary assembly of the council of europe is set to decide on thursday whether russia should continue to enjoy the organisation's full membership there are two proposals on the table to suspend russia's membership altogether or to limit its voting rights will the language of course work with moscow to discuss that i'm now joined by danish and michael who said they had one of those bills mr hanson thank you very much for being here on the show thank you for having me now first of all let's be clear on terminology here are we talking about punishing russia teaching russia last send or simply registering the assemblies disagreement with russia's actions well i think we should have the possibility to send a strong signal to the russian government that this is you know crossed a red line for us this organization was started in forty nine on the pillows of freedom of democracies and all of that have been cast aside by the russian
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government in my opinion and just you know gone in militarily on another member countries ukraine in this example and then and i say that a part of the member country into their own this is of course a red line for us and definitely has to make a stand and also say to the russian government this has consequences you have the possibility of still have a dialogue with us but we have to take away your voting rights so that perhaps in my view i hope so anyway we can have a dialogue with the russian to what i can understand. this has gone too far that they have to redraw and comply with the standards of this organization well that's interesting that you say that because you mentioned the word democracy here and the promoting democracy is obviously one of the goals of both the council of europe and the pace and i wonder what do you find so disagreeable about russia taking crimea in because it was it came as a result of a referendum and i understand that you may dislike lodgment putin or his policies
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very strongly but shouldn't we be able to divorce the action which is people of crimea voting in a referendum from the side which benefited from those actions in this case why deny the crimea and the right to vote just because you dislike hooten you know when when we have a situation where you have thirty thousand or something like that russian troops stationed in an area like for me you can never have an open and free referendum in any way or form that's one thing and the other hand we also have a situation where a country can go in and make internal decisions about and all the member countries like ukraine of course you can't do that and here we have a very big maker of power in europe. which uses its military muscles to go in and take on all part of a country of course you can't do that if the people in crimea want to have
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a say regarding what kind of power it is you have internally in ukraine they have different way of doing that it's not having a legal referendum that's not the way obviously that referendum didn't come out of nowhere it was a political reaction to the events in kiev and regardless of where you stand politically whether you support the current authorities or not it was clearly an unconstitutional undemocratic seizure of of power in the country and if you indeed stand on the principles of democracy and the rule of law i wonder why haven't you introduced. a similar bill for ukraine that would have been i would say a balanced and a fair way of dealing with both russia and ukraine well first of all they have been very active regarding your crane we also discuss it in this session as well where we also i think are going to adopt a very precise recommendations to true interim government of ukraine about what kind of action they should date they should take we also have an
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upcoming presidential election in ukraine which of course is doing our utmost to make sure that it's completely transparent and also one hundred percent democratic . organization i'm sure that the people of our crimea will also have a chance to vote in the future elections and referendum so let's not talk about the future elections in ukraine let's talk about these past action and the events in crimea and russia taking tiny in fact to roughly two million people and i'm not sure you know by the big turnout and that referendum was very very high around eighty three percent of which ninety seven percent voted in favor of joining russia so you cannot claim that all of these people who are subjected to voting and forced to vote in favor of joining russia i think. you know that that decision was pretty free but. what about the fourteen million if you crane hands who are subjected to these new leadership that they didn't vote for and something that you know the e.u.
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refused to censure that act of change of power why haven't you did haven't you done that one of my stuff was actually present on crimea during this referendum so i know quite well the situation and the situation was not democratic or transparent in any way so what did you actually see did you see people being led to the polling stations you know with a gun pointing to the to their had did they have to vote under the duress that's what you are saying no what i'm saying is actually first. you have a climate where you have thirty thousand troops that's one thing but on tell hand you had two choices of what you wrote one was to be part of russia and was to be an independent country where i want to first choice you know the first choice of being still part of ukraine you didn't even have that choice that's not true and that your dad said that's a factual mistake because then number the choice number two was to stay within ukraine but significantly increase the autonomy of crimea and that choice was
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rather on the ballot yeah but that was not first choice of status quo so you actually had implemented a procedure that you wanted to break away even bowl from ukraine to be part of russia to break away so you had even greater. autonomy so so whatever you call it wasn't democratic in any form and we got into a second part of your question just to so that is that of course we have been very active in ukraine no matter how you put it you had a president who had. a lot of for exam elections last year sorry two thousand and twelve you had a enormous amount of voter fraud he left the country then you had to parliament who actually said ok now we have to find and acting president and then call for new elections so now i hope we can have new democratic transparent elections and no
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matter what took place in ukraine and nothing was perfect in my sense of course it wasn't you can still not say that is that it's ok for russia to come in militarily and try to. sway some part of the country mistake and russia didn't come militarily and russia was allowed to have its troops there according to the agreement but if i can i steer you back to that issue all the democratic procedure is being a pal the not a palin key if you know one of the arguments we often hear from you. europe is that you have to support the people's revolution you know people to the streets they wanted freedom they want to dignity and i think that argument could work for libya or syria you know the countries to me it's very underdeveloped democratic institutions but in ukraine you had all the democratic infrastructure there in place so when you actually indoors this interim government came to power by force without. ballots being involved and she actually saying that it is all
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key to suspend all democratic procedures in favor of street politics no i don't think so you know if you broke an agreement with the different parties in your crane then the president left the country and therefore started a completely new situation that has to be taken care of and then you have interim government right now in ukraine and to have call for elections. in very short time actually and i think that's the best approach and i hope that every policy including the regional policy of film. will also take place and will also be a part of this election campaign and then to voters decide and you know that's them democratic for me but what washout is it that is going too far you know we have so many agreements helsinki agreement that they're broken we have to budapest agreement that they have broken we have this agreement to this organization the
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council of europe that russia has broken even you have to brush and. you know sanction to use military forces in inside ukraine so i agree it was not picture perfect what happened in ukraine not at all but that doesn't you know say it's ok for russia to behave like that well it's interesting that you mentioned how many agreements russia has supposedly broken without mentioning that the very recent agreement that was brokered by european powers between. but the ukrainian opposition and the ukrainian legitimate authority is was broken as well so that's i think a very important part of the picture but if i could shift gears a little bit you just mentioned that you see russia in the wrong here and you proposed this bill of suspending russia's voting rights for the current session and i find this extremely interesting because especially in light of our previous
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discussion in crimea because you don't seem to believe that the crimean people have the right to vote in that referendum now you want to reject the right to vote to russia it seems to be all about the right to vote. to you. you know blocking that right isn't that ultimately the most undemocratic form of essentially you know refusing your opponent the right to speak you know what you can't just. pick and choose referendums in different parts of sovereign country you can do it out of culture comp you have different international standards for what to do in that instance and different international standards for different countries is that what you mean yeah so if. crime in people wanted even more autonomy they had the chance was also talk from the central government that they actually tried to put out their hand and say let's talk about this let's try to find some common ground let's try to find an agreement but there was no agreement there wasn't even
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any talks that to my knowledge so they had a referendum taken place very few days after the russian troops went out of the bases and you know attacked ukrainian military post around crimea numerous video examples and proof of that on for example your troop and so so in that climate you can never say that this was a crimean people decision and let's also say you know what. that's a time as i have said quite clearly for example to this organization do you know very prominent men are on crimea who was falsely expelled by stalin and then got a chance to move back there frightened because they say you know we have been taking place. and i think you know you are well as far as i'm concerned slightly misrepresenting the facts because many. vote in that referendum as well and the
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turnout figures clearly support that but since you mention these atmosphere of intimidation and fear that a logically was in crimea during the time of that referendum you know what is happening in ukraine and now there are rallies some of them very violent rallies all around the country such a few argue that referenda was a legitimate because of this atmosphere of intimidation why would those elections upcoming elections bill and jim because the atmosphere of intimidation is still very much present in the country it's true that disturbing signs coming out of eastern ukraine and i think it was the russian foreign minister saying that if the ukraine using force what they what that means to stabilize the situation of these so-called i don't know what you call them rebels taken control of different government houses for example in donetsk what is the this is a grain doing the same thing as people in kiev did it let's put it that way i will
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i would never say it's the same picture not at all. as differences in eastern part of ukraine to western part of ukraine but but to say it's the same you know we had a huge democratic uprising we had had numerous examples of voter fraud. election for example at the by elections in two thousand and twelve so there was a democratic uprising saying we want you know first to be part of europe and then we want democracy and i support a democratic uprising. i would have hoped that the record i have a situation there was most people are. going to covert didn't send in military and snipers and the navy should own the same prison highly debated and the there are regions of that violence is still a pretty unclear but before we go to the to the brig to let me just mention that the two thousand and ten vote presidential vote was monitored by the pace own
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observers and that's will it reach. college. or was considered legitimate and we had elections planned in less than a year or so people in the ukraine or in western ukraine disagreed with the with the way the country was developing there were clear democratic procedures the democratic institutions established for them to exercise their right to vote but let's continue this conversation right after the break as need to rediscover its mission of containing russia what does the future hold for european security we will also discuss that in a few moments here on all the part. global
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welcome back to worlds apart to really discussing democracy and security in europe with danish michael asked your young son. mr young this standoff over ukraine started out as a matter of democracy you made those democratic reference to several times in the first part of the program but it very quickly transformed into a very pressing security issue both for russia and for europe and i wonder what do you make of this very close relationship between democracy and security isn't that perhaps a sign that democratic aspirations of being used as a vehicle for advancing security agenda well i think the security agenda is very important you know i've speak written numerous colleagues for example from the belt countries who are very worried about you know they have also many russian people living internally in their countries as
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a minority and their phrase i'm quite certain that this is also a security matter for all of europe because i'm very worried that washer will intervene even more like sample in the eastern part of ukraine but mr hanson just let's take this issue because i hear it often raised in the our western media this idea that russia will drive into baltics or you know take over estonia latvia russian that never made the sacred that one of the reasons why crimea is so all crucial to russia's security interest is because of the location of black sea fleet there and the new ukrainian authorities in europe so eagerly embrace actually hinted that they want to see russia out of crimea and that's why. obviously undermine russia's security interests in a very substantial way now in a store and you know a lot to me and they're absolutely no such interest and it's done in life they are very small countries so i cannot see how russia would be interested in taking over
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those countries because it's it's already there and it won't largest country by landmass it's not like russia is going around in. getting trying to get more and more land it was put in i think was very clear that it was about the defense of russia's national interest in crimea as well as a defense of all russian speaking minority there in the crimea wild brutes and mr putin has said many things also that he's as i saw a group that he was also said that the breakup of the soviet union so of course everything can be taken out of context but still every seen a very let's call it active president of the russian federation and i think you're right crimea i've been to myself i've seen the naval base of the russian federation and it's very big and of course they have security issues and i would never. go into internal. contracts if you call like that between ukraine and the russian
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federation never and i don't think europe should do that but let's take just one treaty off the budapest treaty which was drawn up to the fall of the walsall pact. that the ukraine. nuclear weapons it was signed by russia u.s. britain and all countries that actually designed to six signatures actually ukraine's told us at that time just a few minutes ago you told me not to pick and choose treaties and then i would extend the same request to you sure the budapest treaty may have been violated but . so was the agreement that was trying to win the ukrainian government and the ukrainian opposition the agreement that was brokered by the european union so both sides broke treaties and isn't that ultimately here i mean you cannot call on
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russia to uphold every treaty you want without living up to those same standards here self well first of all i don't think the british press treaty is just one tree jeff think it's a very important treaty because you know it sends a signal for example to countries like iran and every discussion right now to have them halt nuclear weapons development that we can never down to your borders or anything like that and then to compare. to what happened in. my view completely off track because you know what happened in kiev was not picture perfect not at all but we had a president who actually fled the country who fled to russia and then to palm and ukraine said ok what should we do nothing and then elected an acting president also a lot of. damage let's not support that let's not pretend like mr young of college went on vacation to russia he was forced to leave the country i mean that he had
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very strong reasons to leave the country and i'm sure many presidents do that from time to time but that's that's not the point let's let's go back to the nato issue because one of them you know the view from moscow is that by supporting those illegitimate authorities to reach seize power in kiev what europe is trying to do is actually to sort of wrestle ukraine into its sphere of influence and allow ne to expand even closer to russia's borders and since denmark has been a following member of nato for so long you are very active participant i wonder if you think that ukraine's democratic transition and in fact russia's democratic transition transition would have been. any smoother or easier if nato and russia had sat down and agreed on the clear as far as majors expansion to the east is going to turn well i've heard. different ideas coming out for example from. russia
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that we should perhaps find an agreement that ukraine should be neutral and so on and so on i don't support that at all i think the ukrainian people should decide for themselves or for interrupting but this is a very crucial point nato is not the democratic organization it's not people who are deciding to join it it's big governments that governments that decide that and need to can always refuse that request if it finds it not to not to be in the interest of collective security so my question to you whether you think that accepting a country that has become such a bone of contention between russia and europe is really in the best interest of danish people or europeans as a whole you know what i still believe it's very democratic if a government decides to because the government should be democratically elected and should also be able to make decisions on behalf of reach is not the case and they. know and i don't always that's a question if the current government before we have new elections say ok we want to
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be a member you want to be a member of nato should going to say that and say yes on this current time no i don't think so i think we should wait till the have new elections for example for the presidential election which is upcoming and then we should be more than welcome if the new government of ukraine wants to be a member of both e.u. but do you see no no no difficulties with you know russia being very tied to this prospect you know after all crimea i mean as far as i understand according to its own regulations you cannot take in countries that have frozen conflict on its territory and obviously ukraine doesn't recognize crimea. after random so there was there would be technical issues in accepting ukraine in the first place. willing to overlook those technical issues and ban the rules a little bit to accept ukraine first of all i don't think we should bend the rules
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and i don't think we will be if we accept ukraine for example to nature but let's be frank. if ukraine was a member of nato before this happened russia would have never. used military force on crimea as. would you and you have made a point earlier that the baltic countries should not be afraid because russia will of course never go into the baltics because them a member of nato and therefore it would start. world war words i don't think of any interest in doing hopefully so so if you crane was a member of nato it would have. bought us so that's why i fully understand why some people in ukraine are pushing for it because they actually believe it could save got them from even further russian aggression well mr hanson i think the crucial worth here is some people in ukraine because
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a substantial number of people in ukraine believe that if europe wasn't meddling in ukraine's internal affairs that this very explosive situation in the country wouldn't have been created in the first place but let me add transition to another example of nature interference in another nato member state and this is libya it was just a couple of years ago i know that denmark was very active there you eagerly santy your aff sixteen's to the country as a stand simply for civilian protection but as far as i understand you also hold that would aid democratic progress in libya three years down the road are you satisfied with the results of that mission you know have been alleviated. during the civil war and i met. numerous persons. especially in benghazi at that time who you know came out and when they heard we were from. a part of the country who had to be took part in saving them from genocide because that's what was going to
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happen i've seen the burned out tanks who was rich with which were stopped just outside of benghazi and we had khadafi who state publicly that if you reach benghazi which is a city wait over a million people he would go from house to house and kill everybody inside it because he fought they were all rebels that's what he said he would meet mr johnson for now just to clarify this just into us since. we have a very very strict responsibility to protect and i think if a person is are going to be slaughtered we have a responsibility to protect and that what we did in mr hanson you mentioned that you're you're in libya twice i was there many times both during the revolution and after that revolution and i also saw military officers and police officers being hanged by protesters on the streets so when you act like let's not pretend like they were and angels there i mean they they were pretty violent militia groups from
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the very beginning but what i think is much more crucial is that over the last three years more people have been killed murdered jailed without trial abducted than during. last years in power so i wonder if this is not something that would concern russia because if you look at the at what happened in libya and russia did not intervene and the united nations there i mean they have abstained from the vote but they've allowed that mission to go had done it so that the u.n. might mandate abused that it saw the country being plunged into complete state of chaos and lawlessness and then it sees the same parties exercising the same rhetoric all. only on its own borders you know in ukraine so do you think that russia should just look at the other side and allowed to europe and the other at building democracy there first of all i don't believe that. is
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a lost country it has a lot of work ahead of it but i still believe that the libyan people want democracy and freedom and heal and down and that they will be this is our discussion is about the best ways of bringing the ball the russians people russian people also want democracy i understand your question regarding should what should russia do we have standards for example in council of europe where we have forty seven member conflicts both ukraine and russia is a member country and we have a conversation like this to solve disputes between member countries so if russia for example felt that it was going what was going on in kiev was not good they could have taken it up inside this organization instead of using military muscle well mr gans and i think one of the reasons why russia didn't solve it was the best way to proceed maybe because it feels that the european union is not being fully a balanced and objective here but since you mentioned european values one of the
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valleys common valleys that both of us had a chance to exercise during this program was different i'm of speech unfortunately we have to leave it there of iran out of time but i really appreciate your candor and to our viewers please keep the conversation going on i went to you tube and facebook pages and i hope to hear again same place same time here on worlds apart. you know those famous lines of shakespeare that was something like this empires are but walking shadows poor players of strut and fret their weapons upon the world stage and then are heard no more their tall tales told by idiots full of sad and scary signifying nothing.
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