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coming up on r t today a new whistleblower organization has launched and plans to shed a light on concealed activities such as human rights violations and corporate malfeasance a look at expos facts dot org just ahead. and two counties in california voted on it possible to session from the state locals claim they are being ignored by politicians in the capital the latest on the political divide in the golden state coming up. and in d.c. a local restaurant offers a free lunch of insect cuisine from roasted crickets to chocolate and it's a menu that many of might consider a challenge more on that later in the show. good
evening it's wednesday june fourth eight pm here in washington d.c. i'm lindsey france you're watching our team america was a blowers have a new online platform to call their own it's called expose facts dot org and today it went live according to its editorial board to expose facts which was launched by the institute for public accuracy aims to shed light on concealed activities relevant to shuman rights corporate malfeasance the environment civil liberties and war the website will feature a whistleblower submission system known as secure drop the editorial board says it calls on the expertise of more than forty journalists whistleblowers former us government officials and others to explain more about expose facts dot org i was joined earlier by norman solomon a member of the editorial board and executive director of the institute for popular public accuracy i started by asking him how this new organization differs from a site like with the leaks. well we are our own entity we drew some inspiration
from wiki leaks and yet we have our own that it's her aboard her own sensibilities and i think we are a unique mixture journalists activists whistleblowers and others with a lot of expertise you know at the institute for public accuracy we have several thousand experts who we have availed ourselves of in the last seventeen years so we have as they say in baseball a deep bench and we intend to make use of it so the editorial board well essentially verifying the authenticity of the importance of the best news outlets to send this information out to in a responsible manner is that right because we saw you know a lot of whistleblowers what they're afraid of is life after the leak what that will look like yes we saw edward snowden he scrammed for saying as soon as he handed handed over those documents and. you know we've seen journalist covering wiki leaks and snowden leaks seek approval from the government even to ensure that their reporting doesn't tip off terrorists or threaten national security what's
your planned approach for this well we're journalists on the editorial board and we bring to the table a commitment to confidentiality for our sources every source who wishes to remain anonymous we will do our utmost to keep them anonymous now that said in this world with so many intelligence services and the digital technology of the twenty first century you cannot credibly promise that there will be anonymity but we're going to do our best both because of our journalistic commitment and because of the secure drop technology that you mentioned the freedom of the press foundation is really state of the art they've done the installation training software provision and so forth all societies need whistleblowers and always in a society you're going to have whether it's government and or corporations or power brokers leaning on journalists to keep in the dark what should be. in the light
and so expose facts dot org is a platform if you will to do real independent journalism and that's why we say whistleblowers are welcome at expose facts dot org. let's talk more about the anonymity you're trying you're attempting to promise these whistleblowers and the. mechanism on your website that is allowing whistleblowers to drop the information into it what can you say to a whistleblower out there who is afraid of what life looks like on the other side of the leak having to run having to hide how can they trust this mechanism has it developed by do you have any any more information on the matter there's a as for this well there's the technical mechanism and then if you will the professional personal integrity mechanisms as well and you need both in place of course the technology for the freedom of the press foundation their technology has been troubleshot by near and some of the other state of the art technology technology analysts in the world in terms of the confidentiality issue online so we
don't say that other media outlets. feel to have the same technology several of them do but there is no media outlet in the world that has better technology to safeguard anonymity then there's the if you would sort of speak the personal professional commitments and if people go to expose facts dot org they look at our forty five advisors many whistleblowers many who have been in that position of being pressured by the government such as william binney high ranking n.s.a. official who we had a launch news conference with this morning they've been there they know what it's like but you know finally it's your question would be. we would say to potential whistleblowers who are concerned and frightened that they have some good reason but as edward snowden has said he was more concerned about not being able to sleep at night. his conscience so there's no perfect solution and people got to sort it out
for themselves i've got to come up with something right speaking of that tell me about the formation of explodes expose fact dot org what sort of was the synthesis for this over the last year or so did it start at the start and likely what what really made this come together right now is coalesced especially seeing the impacts of the snowden leaks over the last year in combination with the escalating war on journalism from the obama administration and as americans we feel a u.s. based organization that's committed to whistleblowing independent journalism and grassroots organizing is potentially if not unbeatable at least a very strong combination the u.s. government is as never before leaning on journalists certainly in the last century trying to throw james risin in jail from the new york times for not disclosing his source being willing and often able to turn the screws on sources and throw them
in prison so that is a context and our response as we said this morning at the national press club in our launch news conference is we will not be cowed we will not be intimidated we are journalists we believe in the first fourth and fifth amendments we're going to stand our ground that's why we are calling out to potential whistleblowers including inside the u.s. government to say with the blowers are welcome you can go to expose fact that org we look forward to being in touch grateful ex and exciting new outlets for these people something that will be definitely watching very closely thank you very much for joining me today that was norman solomon director of the institute for public accuracy. and tomorrow marks the one year anniversary since the first article on n.s.a. spying was published in the guardian newspaper using secret documents from national security agency whistleblower edward snowden tomorrow activists and tech companies are marking the day with reset the net a movement to promote companies and private citizens to fight against government surveillance by using encryption and other private means to protect their privacy
on the reset the net website snowden has written this is the beginning of a moment where we the people begin to protect our universal human rights with the laws of nature rather than the laws of nations we have the technology and adopting encryption is the first effective step that everyone can take to end mass surveillance we are putting together some special reports on just how pivotal his real role of revelations have been in uncovering the n.s.a.'s programs along with a timeline of how it all played out. if you're not doing anything. more what is going to assure this country. cation you know where he is and that is a good order to protect our nation like snowden he was convinced that he was doing a service to the people by doing the greatest through that is that. our t. american special coverage begins tomorrow starting at four pm don't miss it. wildly
differing casualty estimates from tuesday's mortar attack on a hospital in east ukraine are being reported from the ground locals say twenty five people have died the military insists it's just to the army's and testifying its crackdown on donetsk a hot spot for the armed resistance against the current authorities in kiev party's policy player is in the embattled region. the region where i am has seen a some of the fiercest fighting so far what we have noticed is that over the past few days several positions belonging to anti government activists have been attacked as the army advances in the several directions this is in line with the new ukrainian president parrish reportedly says that he wants the east to be dealt with before his inauguration this coming saturday and what we have seen are cities increasingly coming and artillery fire we have been hearing from people on the ground that armored vehicles fighter jets helicopters and rocket launchers are being used against them now the ukrainian interior ministry has said that on choose
date more than fifty anti government fighters were killed across the guns and region at the same time we are hearing from the ukrainian interior ministry that has confirmed that more than a hundred and fifty strikes were used against the city of new guns and those now on tuesday during one of those airstrikes eight people were killed when the local administration building was hit that's a building that is in the city center as the fighting on the ground intensifies so more and more people are seeking shelter when they can in bunkers at the same time are choosing to actually fee the eastern regions according to local authorities in the city of slavyansk nearly fifty percent of people have already fled and of course as the fighting intensifies so too does the humanitarian situation on the ground decline and we're hearing more and more stories of supplies struggling to get through and of people really struggling to make ends meet that was artie's
policy there. the united states is offering to train ukraine's forces on top of the millions of dollars in military aid it's providing to care of the idea was pitched by president obama who's touring europe and around to the g. seven summit in brussels there for us is artie's pos got he's been following the visit. president obama is now in brussels after a meeting in poland with ukraine's president elect petro poroshenko now in that meeting president obama reiterated america's support for ukraine and even discussed the possibility of washington training ukrainian military and police personnel in the face of the deteriorating situation in the east of the country but it wasn't just ukraine that president obama offered support to you he says that the u.s. is standing side by side with all nato countries in europe including the likes of poland latvia and lithuania he says that american military presence in the baltic states in the black sea is a sign of america's commitment to those countries but he also spoke of support for
non nato members within europe the likes of ukraine and georgia a whistle stop tour of europe three countries in three days but it did appear at one stage as if all that traveling might be getting the better of the u.s. president as he appeared to doze off during a speech by his counterpart now if we can put that down to jetlag and it's not exactly clear what the excuse is that the polish president has for doing it exactly the same during president obama's speech now of course the g. seven which starts later on wednesday evening was initially meant to be the g. eight it was meant to be held in but out of it was council that was turned to the g. seven when russia was sidelined from the summit may not be invited to the g. seven but twenty four hours later world leaders will gather once again this time in france to mark seventy eight since the d.-day landings and brought him a person has been invited to that and it appears to give given french president francois hollande somewhat of a logistical headache now he seems hungry to try and prove his diplomatic skills so
hungry in fact that he set to host two dinners on thursday evening one for russian president vladimir putin and the other one for u.s. president barack obama in an attempt to try and keep the two ladies apart from one another so it seems at the moment as if the west's attempt to try and isolate russia politically resembles something from the playground it's. if when the west said that they would send a very clear signal to russia it's dinner time was exactly what they had in mind that was our. cuban men captured by the us government on spy charges have critics of their detainment rallying for a prisoner swap after president obama agreed to a trade over the weekend of five taliban suspects for u.s. sergeant bowe bergdahl held captive in afghanistan many are calling for a similar switch of the three remaining detained cubans for u.s. contractor alan gross currently jailed and have and it's not likely to happen archies america david brings us more from the annual conference aimed at winning
the men's release fell today marks the start of an annual conference in titled five days for the cuban five the conference which is now in its third year is hosted by the international committee for the freedom of the cuban five it's an organization that's advocating for the release of the remaining prisoners the cuban five refers to the five cuban intelligence officers who were convicted in miami of conspiracy to commit espionage and other illegal activities the u.s. has long claimed that the men had been infiltrating the department of defense's southern command however cuba has long denied those allegations saying that the five men were instead spying on miami's cuban exile community in the wake of several terrorist bombings in havana now at a press conference here today the u.s. trial lawyer and key member of the cuban five legal team spoke about the conviction which he called a grave injustice what happened in this case is unprecedented in american legal history he specifically spoke about an application he filed about
a month ago in court questioning the influence of money on the jury who decided this case the judge did not know no one knew or until two six five years they have to the conviction of the amount of money that was being poor in to persuade and intimidate and and wrongfully. since the jury now so far two of the five men have been released with the most recent one released just this past february this week there's been a lot of talk about releasing u.s. citizen alan gross an exchange for the remaining three cuban five members gross is the u.s. a id contractor who was convicted in cuba for smuggling illegal telecommunications equipment into the country there is an opportunity here the only way that opportunity is actually going to happen if there's some sort of reset pressed on relations between the two countries and i think that that could happen if in fact you can you can engineer some sort of humanitarian trade and the cubans have
said that they're willing to do that without preconditions that they're willing to sit down and talk about this however thus far the u.s. has refused to link the two cases in recent years the cases of growth and the cuban five have become points of friction within the already tense relations between the u.s. and to go which haven't had diplomatic relations for more than five decades that's ultimately the point of this conference to encourage the u.s. to find a humanitarian solution in this case and perhaps reopen diplomatic channels between the two countries and washington i mean our david r.t. but state of california has nearly gone through a breakup in an attempt to form a new state named jefferson one area in northern california put it to a vote of the people that decision lay between two counties del norte and tehama del norte turned it down to hama county passed it that this wasn't the first time counties in california have done something like this though i guess megalo lopez
joined us earlier from los angeles and explained why the vote to secede. well they say they feel under represented and over regulated a lot of the laws that come out of california tend to be geared more towards the urban and suburban populations is what they believe they say that they need more legislation to deal with the rural kind of areas which is where these northern counties are kind of located so they decided to put it to a vote these two different counties this is the first time that voters themselves versus the boards of the counties actually had a chance to kind of give their opinion and really speak up so this is what happened just to kind of go over some of the notes with you del norte county measure last forty one percent to fifty nine percent del norte is a very very small county it only has twenty eight thousand residents so it's just a fraction of the thirty eight million people that form california's population now the voter turnout for del norte was just over five thousand people so even smaller
fraction of that twenty eight thousand people actually turned out but that's very typical in these primary elections and they say it's interesting because they voted the same for the governor or for the lieutenant governor for the attorney general for the secretary of state the same as to hama did in following the majority in these primary elections and the people that they want so obviously there is some some similarities between these northern states which say that they are very different from the southern state southern part of the state and the southern counties obviously well let's say it had gone through what are the political implications of that sort of change. really there really are there wouldn't be any quick political implications because this was just an advisory measure so essentially what this said was that the people of del norte into hama would support the county boards looking into a measure that would one day consider the idea of becoming a state so really it didn't have much teeth to it it wouldn't have created
a state overnight but it would have shown some type of popular support now separation just to kind of go through how difficult it is to obtain any type of state separation must for both counties then the state so called parent state would go through the state legislature for approval and again california is very big it covers thirty eight million people and then it would have to go through the u.s. congress and that's all constitutionally mandated and you know really at this point they're just kind of talking about the idea but it is very unclear at this point there's been no real talks about how that jefferson state would eventually be able to pay for a lot of the programs that it benefits from right now because they are more in the kind of poor parts of the state so it's really hard to determine how they would pay for things like government mandated health care for education for their water for
things like that ok so this vote was essential a letting the county boards know what they may already have known which was citizens sentiments on this but this isn't the first time this happened in california i mean it's got a history of this sort of thing is that right. it absolutely has a history of it so let's start with some of the more recent history and then i'll get to to how this this movement of for a jefferson state kind of started so the board of supervisors and a number of other counties in the northern california have already voted for this i'm talking about glen modocs this kind you and they have agreed to join this jefferson declaration to our counties are set to vote on it next week but so far we don't know what kind of turnout we're going to see there and the total population again just to show you how kind of small this is is four hundred sixty seven thousand people that would vote but it makes up a size that is over twice the size of a new hampshire so it's quite a bit of real estate that we're talking about now how this jefferson declaration
idea came about and the idea of a state of jefferson goes all the way back to the one nine hundred forty s. jefferson was going to be part of southern oregon and northern california about the size of west virginia but those people had really bad luck the day that they were supposed to sign to agree to make a second separate state from california was it december eighth one thousand nine hundred forty one that's historically important because december seventh one nine hundred forty one was the day that pearl harbor attacks on december eighth the u.s. decided to go to war with japan obviously world war two efforts took over and then the idea of jefferson kind of went on the back burner is then there ever since what about statehood efforts elsewhere because there are other hot spots in the states where people are talking about separation given their own state and all of this can you just explain that to us really quick. yeah we've seen a number of different kind of parts of states decide that they wanted to try their
efforts and never really succeeded probably the most notable of those is the district of columbia has been fighting for representation also puerto rico has been fighting for representation for quite some time and by representation i mean they don't really have any say in presidential votes they don't have a senator they have a non voting congress person who is there so they have a twenty twelve referendum and what the majority of the people decided was that they don't want to be the commonwealth that they are but they might want to consider a state but a recent g.a.o. report showed that that might not be fiscally responsible all right arches make it look as in los angeles for us thank you very much what do a pest could do a pest control company a high end restaurant and a charity for low income families have in common apparently a lot they work together to put insects on the menu at one d.c. hotspot insults raise money for a charity that provides a meal for the low income people. was on hand to check out the flavorful dishes
served up for a good cause. i'm outside of the occidental grill on pennsylvania avenue near the white house where today ollie it's called a pest a rock in celebration of erlik pest control eighty sixth anniversary they're putting on this special of that each person that attends and sample a gourmet critter erlick will donate five dollars to the d.c. central kitchen hundreds of diners were treated to form a burgers loaded with all of your standard dressings and topped off with organic crickets among other common household pests mexican spice meal worms chocolate covered grasshoppers and the fire ant lollipops were also on the menu for a suburb so it's like the stroke of burgers it's so simple it is legal that if it is a big if you visit it's really good is that good ok doesn't creep me out at all with . respect to what it is like for it my travel over the world these are the first bugs at least go to john meyer c.e.o.
of ehrlich about their community involvement so we've been involved in the communities up and down the east coast overrated. and so it's a very community based organization part of our culture we're always looking for a fun way to teach something and what the more fun this time d.b.m. should the beneficiary of the event was the d.c. central kitchen as air like donated five dollars per person that they tried above so everybody in the city five thousand u.s. law wonder if the shelters and nonprofits across the sea in another five thousand barrels a day you see every year we produce or it might be a hundred fold their graduates or even the two percent job these are the streets of the future or separation people so instead of spending money to help their shelters return the taxpayers to part from the pastor in washington i'm a military man r.t. . i guess. that's a tough thing to watch right there before we go don't forget to tune in at nine pm
for larry king now try to guess his bishop t.d. jakes has a part of what's to come. at purple rose on twitter what is something you suggest to add to our daily routine to empower ourselves quite quiet we are too busy. we are so busy that we don't notice that we're not productive busy does not mean that you are producing it we are just spinning our wheels and the great thinking and progress that we've made in this country steam engine stella phones automobiles all types of seeing spacecraft were done by people who had moments to think were moving so fast and at breakneck speed and if we get a free moment we're on twitter and facebook and everything is the death of creativity and i would challenge people to go back to meditation and and if you're spiritual but to prayer if you're not just go back to just laying still for
a moment to clear your head to hit the reset button because we are starting every day with the burdens from from yesterday assaulting us in today. while tonight nine pm tonight right here on our to america how does a printout from on the stories we cover go team you tube dot com slash arts or america and check out our website our to dot com fresh us i can also follow me on twitter at lindsay france for now have a great. dramas that can't be ignored top. stories there is. no. changing the world right now. to take your. own dinner from around the globe. up to. fifty.
every day more than thirty thousand cargo containers arrive at u.s. ports they're coming from all over the world they contain your cheap walmart serves your little plastic things your remedy noodles your skin care products your sneakers your car parts you name it they contain so much stuff that we don't even know what they can date and that is a fact that has made our department of homeland security very nervous so five years ago the news media started pointing out that gosh we have no idea what is coming into this country in these containers and there was this trend of worrying that
they might contain the bombs or other terrorist weapons and the department of homeland security cop that fear fever to so they started making big statements about checking every single container that comes into the country for any potential security threat and they set a deadline requiring all u.s. bound shipping containers to be x. rayed overseas in their countries of origin for nuclear weapon homeland basically told the rest of the world don't even think about sending us any of your crap without checking it for bombs first and that deadline with that burden now so as of now anyone sending a cargo container to the u.s. is supposed to have it x. rayed for bombs but for shipping it over that's some pretty good plan right except that guess what it hasn't happened and congress has quietly just pushed the deadline back to ear strangely enough no one is making speeches about at this time
around. you see it's just too expensive other countries don't really give a crap about our laws so they just aren't spending a fortune to set up x. ray scanners at their shipping stations to comply with the special needs of america it's not their problem america is such a target for terrorism they just want to ship their cheap stocks to us and not only would implementing the x. ray stance be expensive it would do something good in one conscionable it would slow down the flow of commerce and we can't have that and we got big we slow down our rate of consumption for even an hour so just remember that the next time you're driving down the highway in your s.u.v. with foreign parts with your foreign made shoes pump in the gas pedal and you passed a flatbed truck with a big old mysterious container in the next plane it could contain a nuclear bomb and we wouldn't even know it that might be terrifying but it's certainly not as terrifying as slowing down the flow of our shopping now is it
bust and v. . these are some of the stories that we're tracking for you today first up george that celgene is on the show no soldier and is an advocate for free banking which is something that he says what eliminate the need for private national regulation altogether sounds pretty good to me we're going to hear it from him then we have and had it for on the program now down pettifor is that down with earlier today to discuss how did the housing wages and the boom bust cycle she ever so tight a little shout out in the u.k. economy and how is the u.k. in a boom right now she tells us coming right up and today's big deal edward harrison and i are discussing the fifteen dollar minimum wage battle and how rock star economist thomas piketty fits into it all it all starts. with.
our lead story today home ownership now it's become apparent that it's pretty much impossible to talk about homeownership today without mentioning the housing crisis and sadly its effects are still painfully painfully obvious for many americans now a new report by the haas institute at u.c. berkeley reveals that one third of all mortgage homes in the us are still underwater now according to the report in one hundred fifty one zip codes half of all mortgage homes are underwater and among the nearly four hundred hardest hit zip codes there are one hundred forty six in which african-americans and latinos account for three quarters of the population and those borrowers were more likely to be denied conventional loans than white homebuyers even when accounting for the difference in income between the minorities and the white buyers. now this
ultimately puts many minority borrowers into subprime loans that were far more expensive than traditional mortgages not ok now the report's authors point out that from two thousand and eight two thousand and thirteen nearly five million families lost their homes to foreclosure and today foreclosures continue at rates higher than prior to the great recession in fact according to the macarthur foundation nearly two thirds of americans believe they're less likely to build wealth by buying a home than they were twenty to thirty years ago now in might even be fair to say that the great american dream is dying so historically owning a home has been considered an essential part of achieving that elusive american dream but the majority of respondents said that today renting is more appealing than buying and that renters are just as likely to be financially successful as someone who owns a home now in the first quarter of this year homeownership rates dipped to some of the lowest levels in almost two decades twenty years and seen and just last week
mortgage rates fell but surprisingly so did applications for refinancing and for home purchase loans the average interest rate for a thirty year fixed rate mortgage decreased to four point two six percent down from four point three one percent but the lower rates were not enough to boost mortgage volumes bottom line while many americans still aspire to homeownership they just don't believe it's the wealth building vehicle that it once was. the true big to fail debate has a lot and i mean a lot to do with moral hazard now if there's no threat of failure the big banks will only take on more risk which ultimately jeopardizes everyone else but despite this the government still chose to bail out the banks on unfortunately since the banks have only gotten bigger now critics are skeptical. of the ability of
financial regulation regulations such as dodd frank to mitigate the financial weaknesses in our system today but short sell gentle professor of economics at the university of georgia advocates for free banking which would a limit ethan need for financial regulation all together now i first asked him to explain what free banking is in layman's terms here's what he had to say. in the simplest terms king means having a banking industry that's not some chick to any of the special regulations that today we associate with banking and that have been part of almost since the beginning of that idea governments have always had a heavy hand in the banking business. banking instead would have them treat banks the way they treat ordinary enterprises far lower in competition to be the main regulatory. source of regulatory control. now it
gets a little bit more fancy when you consider that if this had been done from the get go from one hundred years ago or more we would have currency today supplied by competing private banks and there wouldn't be any central banks involved so the idea of free banking starts to sound a lot more radical when you look at it from that sort of historical perspective. ok now i want to ask you did this movement start with the nobel prize winning economist frederick high x. nine hundred seventy seven but the dean nationalization of money is that how it got off. start well it's sort of did for me because that book was what first turned me on to the idea i actually talks about a lot other than just free banking very actually talks about what we now call free banking mostly in passing but the idea of free banking actually is much older than a pamphlet because there actually has been pretty baking in history there have been
important examples of it the most well known as the scottish free banking system that flourished during the last house of the eighteenth and first half of the nineteenth century also the canadian banking system though not quite as free as scotland's was at that time was in many respects a much freer system then say the us system during the nineteenth century and a reasonably close approximation to what the proponents of free banking are talking about they've been dozens of other cases as well and there have been economists who've recognised these historical cases and who argue that there should have been more like them in the central banking has been a a wrong turn in our monetary policy and now i want to ask you was it was some of the economic or political outcomes of these cases are instances
where we saw free banking in the past. well the ockham's are to have been two fold broccoli and they've both been very good what you had in in the scottish and canadian systems during their free banking arrows was a combination of very efficient bank lending that contributed to robin economic development and remarkable financial stability which i think is something people are much more concerned about today most people assume that in order to make the banking system stable you need heavy handed regulation central banks deposit insurance and these episodes show however just the contrary that if you allow banking systems to flourish and not relied on the competition among bankers themselves as a source of very good tory discipline you actually got a greater degree of financial stability than we've seen in modern heavily regulated
systems or that we saw in the past in the us when we had also regulations but of a much different kind than we have today so these episodes show and theory does too i should add that something i've worked on a lot that the best way to have financial stability is actually not by having a heavy role for government in the financial system it's just the contrary. now as i understand it in today's world banks do issue their own liabilities but these are transformed into state money via the banking cartels arrangement with the federal reserve so that most people actually think of bank liabilities as being freebie transmittable and to state money and tell there are bank runs kind of like we had in two thousand and eight so i want to ask you how do we go from this system to your system that you're suggesting well the difference isn't quite all that greta's as it may seem in the old days in scotland and canada to keep harping on those
examples but they are ones we know a lot about all of the banks were obligated to convert their liabilities which included paper notes at that time into either gold or silver money which was the real base money of those systems today banks tend to shoot their own paper currency and so their only liabilities are deposits of various kinds and their obligation is to convert them into central bank paper money which is now the ultimate money in the system the problem today is that first of all when you were large on one source of paper currency on central banks is a source of paper currency that actually introduces the very top of the system where the central banks themselves by mismanaging the supply of their own liabilities can cause. can be a source of a great deal of instability in the in the rest of the financial system another simple way to put that is when you have
a monopoly supplier of paper money when it screws up the whole system screws up when you have competitive suppliers when one of them screws up the result is that supplier fails not that the system goes under so we have a very dangerous centralized currency system where the penalty of mistakes when they're undertaken by the central bank falls on the general public. that was george celdran professor of economics at the university of georgia. time now for a very quick break but stick around because when we return and credit for is on the program now i am sat down with me to discuss the macro economic picture in britain today and we covered everything from the booming housing market to wage growth in the u.k. to the boom bust nature of the u.k. economy you definitely don't want to miss spot and in today's big deal edward harrison and i are discussing seattle's fifteen dollar minimum wage and how thomas
welcome back to the show now euro skeptics have been making some serious political ground on the continent and in britain it's no different the u.k. party is gaining ground which makes the possibility of a breakfast it or british exit from the earth more of a reality but how was the u.k. during today now the last i've seen the u.k. economy remains buoyant with british manufacturing up for a fifteenth straight month in may and to bring us up to date in perspective macro economic picture in britain is dr ann pettifor now head of four is the director of policy research and macro economics at the political economy research center in london and i first asked her house just how sustainable she thinks this recovery is here's what she had to say. here and i have to say that i think your program is named after or should i say in honor of economy you know boom and bust right now
would be to me to seven years of famine we're back to have seven years of abundance you know we're doing really well everything across sectors service industries construction you name it things have been property of course housing everything apparently in the garden is. and whether or not is to sustainable well you know who knows there are two there are two areas which would really make it quite precarious. and make give you give us some reason to worry the one is the fact that we still rely on external financing that we're still not able to pay if you like for our imports we paid informants with borrowed money and at the end of. our deficit reached record highs. that's extraordinary so that's a little worry. foreign is no longer willing to finance our deficit we may find
ourselves in some difficulties secondly there is a really interesting thing happening we're addicted as you know britain today we are currently borrowing as if there were no tomorrow to go shopping so household consumption and retail sales at the moment correlate very strong me with a boom in credit in the provision of credit. and then equally we have already got an overhang of debt which is both an individual household corporate and of course financial level because of our financing to still has with it they were willing to admit it or not an overhang of debt and so the signet is slightly worrying is that interest rates might go up and prick the bubble of credit that we live on. now along what i've read regarding the british recovery
revolves around whether house price increases are sustainable like you mentioned housing before now the telegraph for example that says the first time buyers made up nearly half of all house purchases in the u.k. and mary as generation y. rushes to get on the property ladder before escalating prices put homeownership out of reach now do you think we really are seeing panic buying here. you know what's happening is outside london. home buyers and first time buyers in particular are taking advantage of the new sort of fannie and freddie that the british government is providing to british households you know subsidized mortgages subsidizing the bags by the way in order to encourage them to lend but in london and perhaps prices outside of london are really not in any kind of danger of rising to an unsustainable level i don't sing but in london it's the boom is amazing
but london house prices are largely you know financed by borrowing more mortgages that many of them are financed by cash people are coming here rich people are coming here with cash and buying up property and using london if you like london's property as a kind of reserve currency so there is something special about london it's a global city and global elites are using it to. as a kind of safe haven often. a tax haven but also it's a way of. gary untying a currency or maintaining the value of the currency in property when they're worried about the value perhaps of their own currency. now and will go to the british recovery david blanchflower says that even though some of the data coming out of britain is good average weekly earnings for british workers just are not keeping up with inflation so do you agree and if so why do you think that is.
well it's largely a result of deliberate policy wages real earnings in britain are not still at the level they were in two thousand and three so there's been a massive depression if you like repression of wages. and it is a big worry david blanchflower is right to worry because certainly as we have borrowing you know going crazy on our credit cards and boring mortgages so long do we need the income to repay that debt and so it is really reckless of policymakers and that includes our government but also central bank the other authorities the central bank of lessons i want to be so keen on lowering wages because let's face it this is not happening accidentally we've got a very precarious that we've got what's known as a precarious act here a precarious marketplace for employment. of the full time employee to becoming
almost a display extinct species in britain. employment when it grows as it's growing here now is part time employment it's precarious employment so more and more of us are in carious jobs which we may lose and then we lose our income and then we can pay for our debts and furthermore says our wages are falling in real terms real in relative to inflation and that means we won't be able to repay these debts in the spring the spring splurge that we're on now at the moment so that is a very big worry yes but one would not think so aaron sitting where i'm sitting walking down the round the streets of london one would not think there was anything to worry about those shops are alive with shoppers properties a booming construction seems to be going up it's not back where it was pre-crisis but it's making very good progress i think construction i put was increased by
about five percent in the last. quarter so you know you wouldn't think walking around london that we had anything to worry about. do you really are doing you know we're back in the old. british formula of boom and bust basically and do you think the minimum wage in britain is a good thing i do as a matter of fact before we introduced the minimum wage there was no awful lot of scaremongering about how it was going to worsen employment opportunities for low paid workers and really interesting years well when the debate took place here a lot of male workers worried that women workers would take their jobs and so the male sectors of the trade unions were jekhane to the minimum wage and also because they believed that wages should be fixed by collective bargaining and not if you like by government fear but in fact nobody none of those fears were realized
and as we all know if people have decent incomes they're able to go out and be economically active and that's good for everybody so i think that debate is over here in the united kingdom i'm not sure about the rest of the world but here we don't really argue about it very much. that was dr and pettifor and some quick housekeeping the potential brecht's that would be from the european union and not the eurozone time now for days to deal. big deals with the one the only mr edward harrison and today we're talking about the fifteen dollar minimum wage battle and how mr thomas piketty rock star economist of the moment fits into this old thing now the seattle city council apparently picked the wrong quote to usher in their new ordinance on the city's
fifteen dollar minimum wage law a document reads the noted economist thomas piketty wrote in his landmark book capital in the twenty first century that the need to act on income inequality is profound as real wages for most u.s. workers have increased little if at all since the early one nine hundred seventy s. but wages for the top one percent of earners have risen one hundred sixty five percent and wages for the zero point one top top zero point one percent have risen three hundred sixty two percent now the only problem is the guardian points out is that paul krugman wrote those very words in a review of pickaninnies calderon the twenty first century in the new york review of books so edward high school kids looking for a summer job as a static because why go to college and get paid nothing when you can go make it fifteen bucks an hour i'm guessing so my first question to you all joking aside can you can you give me more detail about the seattle minimum wage is that our leaders that daily was that was the deal they're talking about implementing this over a period of different for small business versus large business to bring them up to
fifteen dollars over you know two thousand and seventeen two thousand and eighteen and if you recall we were talking about twenty five dollars were in switzerland which was rejected you have the voters here it's actually this is the city council which is. we're going to actually do this it's going to happen and it will happen it's going to be in normal jobs in the minimum wage the question is you know what impact that can have in the economy what impact do you think it's going on and what do you think you know we talked about this before that it's very inconclusive what happens when you raise the minimum wage in terms of the job effect but there are two things one i think that you can think of it as a tax on small business because a large business can actually do a lot of shifting a route and so forth and absorb the losses in a different way but if you're in a small business it's going to be much more profound impact that's the that's the first thing and then the second thing is these studies are only looking at small
increases in the minimum wage that are looking at dramatic jumps in the minimum wage so you're ability to actually absorb those those costs are much lower and especially for small business so i would think that this is going to be negative for employment. we're going to have to wait and see but the guardian points out that it is work doesn't amount to a clarion call for all governments to drastically raise the minimum wage now his point is more subtle than that so do you want me to what pickaninnies writing basically indicates regarding the effect of minimum wage on jobs picking picotee specifically who would pick it is basically saying is exactly what i'm seeing in that is that you know that you can get more income for workers who have a higher propensity to spend and that it bolsters the economy and some of those costs can therefore be recruit through that effect but at the same time he's not saying that if you have an enormous job that somehow that's actually going to be
beneficial to the economy because that's just going to really crush small business in particular now i know what i find interesting we were just researching this earlier today and that you know in europe they're proposing a minimum wage hike in october in britain specifically and there they do it by age bracket. it how much you get paid the minimum wage which i find fascinating and i'm kind of curious why we don't do that here do you think that would make a difference or not really you know i don't think it'll make that much of a difference but they're doing that in order to make sure that it doesn't have a profound impact sixteen to nineteen year old louis you know your entry level guy you were just talking about a no high school i can get fifteen dollars that will maybe you won't get hired maybe someone else will get hired who has more experience than you do and therefore your price you don't get a job so that's what they're trying to do. for me is that all across europe including in the u.k. the minimum wage is much higher than it is in the united states so even if we're
talking about raising it to fifteen dollars actually in europe it's in the order of fourteen dollars across a bunch of different countries including the netherlands the u.k. ireland and very soon germany you know you have to with cost of living to the cost of living higher in europe than it is here in which it is a relative you know thank you so much for your insight as always that's all the time we have for now but you can see all segments featured in today's show on you tube at youtube dot com slash boom bust archie we also love hearing from your so please check out our facebook page at facebook dot com slash boom bust r t you can tweet us at any at word and each from all of us here at boom bust thank you for watching we'll see you next time but i.
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of the world's most powerful preachers is bishop t.d. jakes you think we're legit has a role in politics in this country yes motives would ever be separate deal but whenever anybody is ready to run big or religious where there are no you cannot legislate love you just cannot legislate it you cannot make a mandate for people. to feel differently plus why do you have the faith i believe that like leave out the law and i can never prove that of the of but i'm open. i believe that like i know when i'm in pain i could never prove to you that i'm in pain but on the one i am all next on larry king now. he has been named america's best for each year by time magazine he's worked with
both presidents bush and obama he's the founder and senior pastor of the potter's house in dallas that's one of the fastest growing churches in the nation over thirty thousand members a bestselling authors latest book is going to be a runaway hit instinct the power to unleash your in morning drive and talk a lot about the book in a little while surprised at the time because the number of herd instinct was very religious and insisting we'll get to that in nearly five c. is. will with us back at c.n.n. obama was kicking it is a presidency i think he's doing i think he's doing pretty well under the circumstances no president goes through the kind of to mulch was times that he's gone through without scrapes and bruises but overall i think that he's done pretty well you support affordable care i do i do too but do you think it's going to kick in where i think he's going to have problems i think you've got a lot of problems i think that some of the critics of it are absolutely right that
there's a lot of work that needs to be done on it but it is a starting point and i'm glad to see as make a start i think that over the next probably the next decade we'll still be correcting it and fixing various nuances that weren't considered or been properly but there had to be a start maybe for the millions and millions of people in this country that have no health care at all my friend billy graham told me that throughout the is it was still always humbling in knowing many to be with presidents is it humbling for you absolutely unbelievably so and i'm very respectful of any relationships that they stood toward me i've been very very careful to honor the privacy of whatever conversations might be shared and to be just to honor the office for what it is regardless of what party is in that office president bush was very religious with it when he was leon again yes you think religion has a role in politics in this country yes and no two is going to be separate yeah but whenever anybody is ready to run to get religious whether there or not there is
certainly has the ramifications and like it had been all cultures religion has affected our to the effect that literature it has affected politics i think it affects the way that we perceive and interact with each other everything we always religious. it depends what you call religious. faith the group around church and everything but i think the misnomer that people think that when you grow up around church that you're this puritanical individual assortment of that with normal kid like anybody else but faith certainly had an influence on me all of my life and still does today why the initials. while my leisure wise in t.v. is shorter than thomas dexter and i like thomas day when your book starting your day you get is really a lot less books there's always been the right oh no but it wasn't like that early on i'm a good book called me thomas for years and years and years but suddenly when i got out fattah west virginia the initial thing took off and i kind of went with the
easy decide historic supreme court ruling recently five to four on open for at council meetings they limited that they didn't expand it to schools or anything and they did expand that council used to only do christians now they did jewish muslim now if you make it a ruling i think it's very good i think it's reflective of who we are that the people i mean no matter what you do you're going to offend somebody with whatever you believe or think about anything and that just speaks to the diversity that exists in this country and for the supreme court to acknowledge that faith is a part of our lives and i think they did it more from a traditional historical perspectives and idea from a theological one but be that as it may to acknowledge the fact that there are people who who are very comforted by the by their pro-life regardless to their built their belief system as what the majority said that it brings comfort them out he said no that it has no place in the political in the larry i was pastor you have to about eleven and churches synagogues and mosques all over this
country we're running over with people you'd be surprised when we're up under attack of people stop being offended by a lot of things when they're really in trouble and to those people who are adamantly atheistic or agnostic i mean their views are to be respected too but if we respect him in fact we have thing on my belief system in order to accommodate your own there has to be some middle ground because our country is going to continue to be increasingly diverse as we begin to bring in more and more people groups and we have to set policies and embrace of people's views and accommodate them as best we can how do you feel those bugs me when we still have that incredible. yes since slavery times not totally recovered from a racist background and he's seen things that paula deen donald sterling keeps coming back to what does it do to you i'm not really surprised by that really no i'm not surprised my father was from mississippi my mother was from alabama i grew
up in the sixty's so you know i'm aware this culture this generation is shocked but i'm not shocked by it at all and i don't think it will ever totally go away and not only in this country but in every country it's not always over black and white but it's always over something in some parts of the world it's over traps and other parts of the world with the religious but there's always going to be kind of a forward bottom line is stupid his new job it is all about color and it is it did stupid and is ignorant but that's part of human humanity and i think that we who are victims of that in any way have to move beyond it and progress and not make changing your heart the goal of my life because if i may change your heart the goal of my life i couldn't in total disappointment because i have no control over the way you think of the way that you love you cannot legislate love you just cannot legislate it you cannot make a mandate for people who to feel differently you can make them say different things but but for other they mean it or not is something that is
a matter of the heart and i don't think our government can do that doesn't make you ponder why someone i mean is no baby it is a racist right to be taught i thought is a learned behavior is absolutely the learned behavior that absolutely the learned behavior and i think it is also generational issue i think as we get further and further away from our history and as we update the challenges of our contemporary times we will be less inundated with the bruises from our past but it is a slow healing gaping wound not only on the big them but even on the victimizer because i think the racist. if an expression of your own will really depends on your own absolutely the book is instinct the power to unleash your inborn drive didn't find it instinct is instinct is the ending and ignalina meant that we have been pretty worried we're certain proclivities to which that when we are placed in though the burmans which we are attracted to we are best suited to function from
that perspective it's the old as was trust your gut absolute how about though when your instinct is wrong like you like someone they turned out to be terrible my instinct was to take that job it was bad job how do you deal with that when i look at the instincts i look at the more from a global perspective than some specificity i want to make a distinction between instincts and urges we all have human urges which may take you anywhere but when i speak of instincts i think of your ability to be artistic not necessarily a particular job your ability to be prolific of the writer not necessarily working for a particular journalistic per persuasion so we're talking about categories as opposed to specific locations and to find out who you are and for you shyam that this what you are designed to do may not really point to a person you date or a job you take but it's set you on a course for human development and for
a sense of contribution to the world at large and you always trusted your ins. sometimes willingly and sometimes by forth and think you develop it as you go along and you know instincts become defined but in retrospect when you look back over your life you can see when you went with it and how it worked and when you didn't go with it how it did not work and again i can see many to the my life that i took the wrong turn and then decided well i thought i would end up doing something in the three or music because i love music but i am not. a gift with music but i'm not equipped to the degree that i could have made it my life. calling so now i think in the pew that they do have people saying i think that was where i was supposed to be . but or writing speaking is something that is that i'm passionate about while what made you write this book i wrote this book because of i'm getting older and as i get older and collect the rich body of experiences that i have been blessed to have
that many people won't get to have got to see larry king got to sit with presidents and and kings and people in hollywood and elsewhere the people who really shattered the glass ceiling were people who did it from their gut that they did it instinctively they broke the rules took the risk and went ahead to be authentically them and i wrote this book because i'm concerned about the next generation that we leave them with all the tools and all the advice and all the help that we can to maximize with their own become all that they could be and i think it makes a difference other reason i want to say this i did it because i live in from any different in the book i call them jungles they are social constructs from politics to religion to journalism i offered hollywood and i begin to talk about people who are wearing a lot of different hats and about to lose their head how how to manage all of those jungles to juggle the message as well as it were without losing sight of who you are as an individual when you see a book is written by nine hundred d.j. she knew written many and naturally thought is that this is going to be
a book about god and religion can an agnostic. enjoyed his books absolutely because of the only reason that you think that is because if you if you do family about how you met me then you see me purely as a preacher but i know me as a man and so i'm a man who is a preacher comma who is a film producer comma who is a business person producer with a father so all of those people meet and complicate when i write the father the son the c.e.o. the pastor the person the guy that all of them are sitting down to write together a composite of the total. conclusions that i have gathered in fifty six years i love you chapter titles like the elephant is over the dead. elaborate well every day. when i was in south africa on a safari i was blessed to be on a safari after i thought for a group of black millionaires
a seminar about faith and time it says and they detained me over and gave me the privilege of staying out of j. paul getty is a place of there in the middle of the jungle somewhere and to go on a safari with my son it was amazing so there i am in between to all of just who is giving me all of this information about all the animals or habitats or mating practices how they live how they operate and sitting on the edge of the jeep with a shotgun to protect us we weren't hunting we just watch it was a salute zeus's nothing at all zoologists explains all the animals that we visit all the different places and see a lot of that was a book we had not found elephant he explained the elephant but he could not find the family there's a zoo stood up and put his finger in there and put it up he said the elephant is over that when he said to me my head exploded larry it exploded because all of a sudden i realized i'm sitting between intellect and instinct and intellect can
describe it but only instinct unfounded and from the premise of that. ideology i begin to go back to all of my life and begin to see not only me but others how if they position themselves between intellect and instinct and know when to yield to which was the next big thing where there's an elephant and entrepreneur pursuit or raising a family it is simply over there if you follow your instincts have you learned from your poor instincts yes yes instinct didn't work yet i have learned from the difference between mystifying my emotions as instincts as opposed to disarming even deeper to proclivities that are authentically my own that are truly all instinctive to me i think a lot of things that people call instincts are really impressions that they get that are feet from their emotions or about societal influences for example
sometimes people create biases in the how they teach you like we were talking about prejudice a moment ago or fear and so sometimes we misread instincts and they are actually either urges or emotional impulses the most is instinct empowered to unleash your inborn drive in hollywood the same thing the bishop takes on the movie industry or in that when we come back. a. very hard to take. that that. route
. well. technology innovation all the developments from around russia we've got this huge area covered. that when t.j. as i did not know that you produced had the news for real based on that book yes on a four year old child it was the maybe the book how you get involved in well i was on the internet it would have been doing several i've done about seven films and i
have a first look deal with sony too which i've done a myriad of i did that if you will remember i did that movie with whitney houston sparkle i was one of those residents that and joe roth is also one of the producers on have this for you going to amazing make directed me it really did tell him i was just honored to be on the same bill with him so we had just a tremendous story with a brand that will always be built on it and the father of the in real life came to me and said i want you to be a part of this project i don't want to do it without you he actually hurt me speaking at a conference and from that perspective mr berkowitz me to be involved a sit down with them on franklin from columbia pictures and we worked out an agreement and i became one of the producers of the you believe that story the foyer old kid he saw jesus right we see injured was the sake of the boy he was not david he almost that he had
a near death experience he came out of it saying that he had seen heaven. and. from here on the booklet no yes no yes absolutely it is an amazing read and it's a powerful read and you have to meet. the birth both to understand how unique this family is and how creative they are i don't know what he's so but we wanted to be true to what he said he saw and that was quite intimidating because when you start trying to depict heaven there is all this theology there's all of this drama i mean if you do it from a apocalyptic perspective with the sea of glass in the twenty four elders and all of that and it was a daunting movie to make because we we grappled with that we finally realize that it was not our voice nor the voice of the book of revelations that was supposed to lead the conversation it was the voice of the bar pows and their child in particular and from that perspective we told stories and movies of being had it is
when you find a kid that is the most amazing so he had never acted before oh is it i think he was five years old i'm not mistaken and i mean this is little the world will kid who has these this might sound fun too but it really reminded me of shirley temple ok you remember the magical surely god will well be the boy but he's got those kind of them that kind of adorable this and he never acted before and i wasn't with the casting team but i was told that they've gone through about a thousand kids he's a last one is absolutely as a lot and he walked in and nailed the t.v. you've been preaching the bible all your life will this kid have among. us a book heaven is for real is a bestseller movie's going to make it a kid so i have an easy thing in your god and you're insisting that he was fantasizing based on what he'd heard his house or been taught
so he. imagine this well that's what his father thought and that's truly when the father who is a preacher found it difficult to believe because first of all from a theological perspective the board did that so it was a you know what was he doing exactly so if the father had trouble with it and mumbly thought about it from a theological perspective as this is if you believe the bible or that it legit went to heaven and he did that in a was translated and did see death and he did that and then there's a possibility of maybe going to heaven at all maybe closer to your idea maybe it was a vision but perhaps god allowed him to have a vision to tattle out of our imaginations and to prove to prove the kind of conversation we're having right now all i know is that millions of people around the world have lost loved ones and the idea that there is something beyond this
world fascinates us intrigues us it may not satisfy every but there are strange crutches and i mean to. death is the great mystery dread and religion has the answer to that you go on somewhere and it's good feeling to have and you can't be proved wrong because if you don't go anywhere you don't know what's interview goes away you're right right so it's it gives you a good feeling but how do you know it you can know it i don't i don't think that knowing something one should know it it takes it out the realm of faith i don't need to believe that i'm sitting here talking to you about no i face bridges is meant to bridge the gap between that that is scientifically proven and that which we we believe it is the substance of the very thing that we hope for but to the mind that wants to rationalize and reason everything to the point of knowing this law is not meant to be provided these yeah yeah yeah yeah go not unless you handle
this you up at the but there's a good so i have one key question i've been asking all my life. why do you believe it why do i believe why do you have the faith i have the face beyond the realm of my intellectual is that in my heart i believe i believe it like i believe i'm in love and i could never prove to you that i'm in love but i know what i am i believe it like i know when i'm in pain i could never prove to you that i'm in pain but i know what i am even when the doctor says i should be there are some things that are true to us that are innate to us they cannot be analyzed they must be embraced by faith and you find it seeking seeking there is a gap in my father got sick when i was ten and that when i was sixteen so i took life a lot more seriously than kids who grew up playing football and basketball and put
over they do. when a kid ruffles and lives in hospitals and is race leaping on hospital floors all of his life as these kids his age dying used you become hungry to know answers on a personal level not necessarily to preach i was too young for that or to prove you'll never be able to do that because god is the one thing that cannot be proven he must be revealed and like many things that we grow up with that we come to be real that cannot be proven like love or anger or hate they are still things that we sense in the individual who has him knows that they are so it is the most personal relationship you will ever have in your life because the lives within your heart. i can see why his name's t.d. jakes we have some social media questions money monday july instagram how do you decide which principles and ideas from the bible are literal and which up parables open to interpretation you don't decide that i don't just let me say that from
a parable they are generally identified as parables in the scriptures are generally confined to the things that jesus said that tell you a story or the kingdom of heaven is like and and he sets it in the context of a metaphor and we assume that it is a metaphor when we go beyond those parameters and we assume things to be parabolic that were not sent to be parabolic then that gets up to interpretation and i know always think that's a wise thing to do and weapons of worship on twitter are instincts equivalent to what some believe is what expresses the holy spirit no there are two different things when i'm talking about instincts i'm talking about how the creator word jew how the manufacturer may do when people talk about the holy spirit that's how he read danger or how he brings you into relationship with him and so in stakes was not written to be exclusive to those people who have had a holy spirit experience it is more about how we have been created to function better or best in certain types of the berms and purple rose on twitter what is
something you suggest to add to our daily routine to empower ourselves quiet. quiet we are too busy. we are so busy that we don't notice that we're not productive busy does not mean that you are producing it we are just spinning our wheels and the great thinking and progress that we've made in this country steam engines telephones automobiles all types of things spacecraft were done by people who had moments to think were moving so fast and at breakneck speed and if we get a free moment we're on twitter and facebook and everything is the death of creativity and i would challenge people to to go back to meditation and and if you're spiritual go back to prayer if you're not just go back to just laying still for a moment to clear your head to hit the reset button because we are starting every
day with the burdens from from yesterday assaulting us and today let's put a comma between all of that i resume as things that once a week you know isn't all. done dog all day it is peace yeah just please shut it all down and you'll be surprised what you can hear when you shut up. kathleen with wire on twitter how do you balance your personal life with your professional if you will with all is an ongoing challenge every day i wrote in the book a chapter called juggling jungles because i live in so many different worlds and how i have to touch a little bit of everything almost every day i learned this that at the end of the day i will never have a day that i get to the end of the day and everything is done whether i've been the perfect father or the perfect husband or the perfect ball for the perfect pastor or the perfect feel i'm not going to hit one hundred every day in all of those areas i just try to make sure that it's not a deficiency in the same area every day. ok so today i got the father
thing real good tomorrow give the husband think really good think they're going to see a but you can't be one hundred every day when you have a lot given to you just all be deficient every day in the same place at c.n.n. delta on twitter what's the best advice you've ever received to go with my gut to listen to my inner instinct my instinct i mean it's really true and that's why i had a moment out there because when i look back over my life i wrote a book a man writing a book called women are loose to women at a time no publisher wanted to publish it there was no presidents for it but i went with my gut and the books all seven million copies bless people all over the world been translated into two different languages if i would have gone by the imperiled that i would have never done it everyone moved from charleston west virginia to dallas texas didn't even know any better but i felt like i was finished in west
virginia instinctively south dallas is a place that i needed to be and i went from pestering a thousand people to thirty thousand every major move that ever happened in my life from going gospel plays and turned into movies that ended up with contracts with sonny's and i've never been trained to do it it was all instinct and when i presented this this idea to begin to talk about enough start talking to other people like tyler perry or oprah winfrey or or anybody else that i got a chance to corner long enough to ask a question or two they were instinctive to what do you do when you see. tragedy that man didn't create when you see katrina children die i do you rationalize it's a painful thing it's so horrible and whether you're talking about katrina over which it was to make a tree nothing to do with man's will free will no katrina weather collaborative back between a deficient form of government that failed to prepare for the amount of citizens
that it had living in that area let the wind and the rain but if the wind and didn't create know and the wind of the rain would come and it will bring destruction but in katrina's case it was not when the rain alone had the levees been done properly and people been about to properly so man was that man was above the trees you know great man d.d. thank you sir name that's not wait another five years it might not be on the phone not a i've got to be something on the take i mean the real larry heaven is for real i see my guess bishop t.d. jason is doing the power only sure in one drive is in bookstores now so you can find me on twitter at kings things see an extra.
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little little. little. little. little little. little. that tomorrow marks the one year anniversary since the first bombshell story broke i'm sorry tomorrow marks the one year since the first bombshell story broke based on top secret leaked documents provided by national security agency contractor edward snowden. over the past year we've learned that the n.s.a. is using a multitude of programs with names like prism and boundless informant to engage in massive dragnet surveillance of every american citizen and these revelations have completely redefined the notion of intelligence gathering and shed light on technologies that were in comprehensible here years ago but to former n.s.a. insiders saw the rise of the surveillance state long before the world knew edward
snowden's name bill benny was an n.s.a. technical director from one thousand nine hundred sixty five to two thousand and one and kirk wiebe you a senior analyst in the n.s.a. from one nine hundred seventy five to two thousand and one and the months following the nine eleven attacks these two men witnessed a complete transformation of the government agency they had worked for decades and were forced to retire to the grave and concerns of the illegal and unconstitutional direction of the agency so to discuss their experiences at the n.s.a. as well as what the snowden revelations mean for all of us i'm joined now by building me and kirk we thank you so much both of you for coming on bill i want to start with you you were one of the creators of the pre nine eleven data collection surveillance program called the right which actually did have privacy protections instead of for american citizens why was this program abandoned and what kind of system replaced it but will it actually was in the back part of the analysis part the part that allowed them to deal with massive amounts of data and index it was taken in to manage that was the way they they actually were able to to build
surveillance on the entire world that that particular program was that powerful and that's why we put in those protections so that it would be impossible for them to abuse it and that was the first thing they removed when they took it into the new program still wind. and kirk after you guys found out about what they had done to it then how do you bill and other intelligence insiders address these concerns within the government and how were those concerns met from officials in reality we had been trying to address what was going on and it's a terms of modernization for years. and it's kind of like nine eleven the events of nine eleven were the culmination. in our minds of our failure to get those at the agency to see the potential of what we were developing what bill had invented in the center ed project. and it was within six weeks of
nine eleven that we and ed loomis myself bill binnie retiring from n.s.a. in absolute disgust because we had failed we had been trying to tell them they were going to fail. and we lost the battle. and bill in two thousand and seven the f.b.i. raided both of your homes along with other officials who had spoken out on the false premise that you guys had leaked classified documents or information to the press what was that experience like for you and were you surprised at the aggressiveness of the response and well yes the cia i had been cooperating with the f.b.i. in their investigation into the new york times leak. for months several months about four months before the raid and when they came at me. you know it's hard to understand why they would do that and why they were here and pointing guns at me to so and my family so it was all a question of you know what was this all about and finally it didn't take me too
long to figure out that what they were really doing was trying to intimidate us because this was like the morning of the second day after guns all this is testimony to the senate judiciary committee about the terrorist surveillance program that the president had talked about which was he only talked about the warrantless wiretaps at the time but there were many other programs involved at cia and also at n.s.a. and that included spying on everybody in the country and building a knowledge and understanding of their lives of everybody as they were living them you know so it was a matter of pulling actually it was a computer program that was reassembling dossiers on everybody in the country and the world eventually so it was clear to me at that point that that's why they were there to keep us quiet so i started getting mad at these people while they were still there and so that's when i reported to the f.b.i. the real crime that they were sent there which was bush cheney hayden and tenet is the core who core of individuals who decided to support the constitution and violate all the laws basic a lot of the laws that we had in statutes at the time and i told them what it was
still when programming what data they were using how they were organizing what i was doing i was telling that all the f.b.i. agent on on my back porch so the only one who was acquired for it was the one fellow who was the special agent in charge palmarejo he was the only one who was cleared for that program the only thing. he could do when i was doing that was look at the floor because i what i was doing was causing him a problem because telling all these other agents f.b.i. agents what what crime was being committed that they weren't clear they were not cleared for this program so now we had they had to have a meeting outside before they left my house of all the agents around the cars they couldn't leave until you instructed them on what they could not say wow and in the case of thomas drake of course that went a little bit farther to say the least talk about exactly what the f.b.i. did to him well let me frame it a little bit for you in november of two thousand and nine bill binney and i received a communication from our lawyer after we were raided in two thousand and seven we
went halves these on a lawyer rather than pay. the lawyer was a former u.s. prosecutor so we thought he'd know how to deal with the government. he told us the latest. in november two thousand and nine he sends an e-mail and he says guys i just got a call from the department of justice they're coming after you. so bill and i made an appointment with him and we went into baltimore and sat down at his desk. he was completely surprised by this move he thought it would go away well it wasn't so that was the end of that for the holidays it was november when we got this message come january we get another e-mail there's a new prosecutor for the government the old one had left the government and we are being offered letters of them unity if we are willing to sit down with the f.b.i.
and the prosecutor from the department of justice and sir about thomas drake. and so bill and i agree will do that we knew tom had done nothing wrong easy let's go so we could down to the f.b.i. facility just outside d.c. in maryland and separately we address questions of questions mostly were questions like. did you meet with tom and what occasions and of course we'd have lunch with sure said hello but nothing very interesting and did he talk about mulching papers destroying evidence or no sorry. so long story short we get letters of immunity in february saying we are under no further threat for this entire matter bill billion are they then through their attention. and we think it's because he's the one that went to the press the n.s.a.
was very much trying to and the government for that matter send a message if you work in the intelligence community and you talk to the press you're going to get hammered and so they want to make an example whether they won the case or not was not important to the government they wanted to send a message and that's why they went after and they actually said you know they they require this document they had specifically taken that was unclassified. extremely shady. you know it's also material that they had independently released publicly publicly and given them for example that also provided that the judge had been in the court. kirk i want to actually build let's talk about and i would start in tomorrow of course the anniversary of the leaks i want to play a quick clip from his n.b.c. interview on the checked out. they found that we had all of the information we needed as an intelligence community as
a classified sector as the national defense of the united states. to detect this plot we actually had records of the phone calls from the united states and now the cia knew who these guys for the problem was not that we weren't collecting information it wasn't that we didn't have enough dots it wasn't that we didn't have a haystack it was that we did not understand the haystack that we had and of course this is why you guys you know you will agree with his assessment here oh yeah i know it's specific like six or seven phone calls from san diego back to the yemen facility and by the way all both ends were known i mean both numbers were there but that's how caller id works you know and you're talking about switches and then the switches have to know exactly how to pass or where it's coming from the pass the other line back so that they have to have the information to make the connection otherwise it doesn't happen why expand the haystack if the haystack was already there failed one could have prevented the terrorism well the very simple reason
they did it was for money it was to build up an empire of an industrial complex around the n.s.a. and other agencies and that's exactly what they've done their budget is running these spend on the order of seventy billion a year on contracts. well let's go along with the n.s.a. apologists. who say that there is no tangible evidence that the n.s.a. is actually using this data against us so why should we worry what's your response . n.s.a. operates behind a wall of secrecy you need a clearance just to enter the building and so what goes on behind those fences and facilities is unbeknownst to anyone except say so n.s.a. has the license to say what it wants to and there's no ability to challenge it virtually no. i would also add that it's not so much n.s.a. using the data it is it is law enforcement f.b.i.
and they're using this data directly they have ways and means to interrogate him directly into the director mueller testified to this to the senate judiciary committee he said he had access to a technology database which he put together with the you know the it where he can go in and get e-mails with one query get all past e-mails and all future ones as they come in on a person what he's doing is he's going into the n.s.a. database because the n.s.a. and d.o.d. is responsible for communications that's that's ok so they're and they're they've got all these nearest devices around the network collecting all these e-mails so they're going into the base they're creating interrogating all of this material to get criminal activity yeah i mean as i've said repeatedly this is about the potential for retroactive prosecution kind of building this whole framework that's exactly what they're doing exactly right we're going to take a break now and we'll be back to n.s.a. whistleblowers you guys stick around. so.
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and we're back with n.s.a. whistleblower is bill binney and kirk wiebe the current want to start with you when . obama took office he was briefed on the programs he decided to go forward with then why do you think he did this given the fact that he ran his presidency on a platform of transparency and strict constitutional hearings. i think it's the result of what i call techno speak when i say it talks about what it does it tends to put it in somewhat difficult abstract terms it also uses words to deceive so for example being a sale say we're not doing such and such under this program. but what program are they doing it and so these are correct statements in front of congress but they're meant to mislead. to be deceptive so i'm not sure that that obama
ever do good or bad and really what was going on you're never sure that anybody does congress swears that they get briefings all the time but still don't understand what certainly didn't look like bush. and i find it hard to believe that obama a constitutional one at least want to know hey what is this mass spying raid that we have exactly believe in before snowden made his revelations you had said that the u.s. had turned into a police state i was warned if you can expand on why you made that comment and what snowden's revelations have kind of exposed that have helped further cement that notion well i said it because they knew that the capacity of collecting of information on everybody mostly their focus was on the united states initially but it's spread around the world so it's really collecting data on everybody in the planet and they knew the capacity of the systems involve there was no limit on what you could do with them that i saw anyway when i left there so the point was then how were they using it and that came out with the director mueller the f.b.i.
when he testified to the senate judiciary committee on the thirtieth of march of two thousand and eleven on the web where he said he got together with the with the d.o.d. and created this database well that told me that he was in terror. gating all the email collection that they were making he also had access to the phone network he said he talked about phone data to not at their move but in another one so they were using this data for police operations and so it was reuters published an article on it in august of last year talking about the d.n.a. in the sa the special operations division in d.n.a. which was specifically to look at the data that n.s.a. collected to find criminal activity and then they would use that to go arrest people and after the arrest you know if they'd say part way here in this park in what way for a truck to pull in go arrest the guy bring the drug dog in and go step out the drugs and then you can't the policy was you could not use any of this information
documented in any court records and you couldn't tell the judge who were the prosecuting of defending attorneys about it you had to do a parallel construction that meant they knew where the data was so you go through do your normal policing that you would do to find evidence and then you substitute that for the n.s.a. data as the basis for arresting them but i call that a basically a planned program purgery policy run by the department of justice of the united states now it's not only the united states now because they share that with foreign counterparts so that goes all the way around the world so they're subverting the entire judicial process here and around the world so they're really undermining democracy everywhere. it's important to point out this is the five eyes this is not just it's not just us it's a lot more. criticism from journalist glenn greenwald for the way that he's distributing the leaks i want to see if you're happy with the process of how the leaks have been distributed you know it's almost
a moot discussion for me because we have a government subverting the constitution that's what we should be focused on not the picayune details of greenwald's leaks cetera. i think for an. indoctrinated non intel person he's probably done a pretty good job people have asked me when you look at what has been leaked by the greenwald snowden team. i tell people what does it mean to you when you see prism they say nothing i mean there's a word i don't know what it means because well that's right you don't and so most of water on these slides are a bunch of names shown in relationship to each other but it's difficult to interpret what's going on because the words are few and if you're not part of this system it's difficult to know you have to infer now bill and i have an advantage
we've dealt with this kind of speak before so we can infer things from it but i think they've been a pretty good job. and you know snowden is clearly not an anarchist who doesn't want to abolish the government doesn't want to abolish the n.s.a. has made a deal with these journalists to actually vet every document to consult with the government as we found out he's very careful in the way that he wants this distributed bill are you any comment on that. well i. basically when i look at that i see what he's what he's released what they publish and i don't see any damage to the united states at all because after all when they claim there's this is irreparable damage they're doing that just to hype up the attack on the person what they're what the slides are really showing is that we do all this stuff which everybody knew we were doing anyway so the other the other point is very simple what alternative people in the world have if you don't want to use the phone that's that that's a choice you could make but you can't use any phone right so you have no choice
just because we're monitoring phones you have to if you have if you have to communicate you have to use a phone or an e-mail or something so you have no choice that's like all the verizon people know their information being transferred the government but they have to change companies why what is their choice to another good point made in the united states of secrets is that this is not just about government surveillance it's about corporate surveillance but people don't seem to care as much because it's used for advertising collection instead of intelligence gathering but it's very scary when you have an apparatus working in conjunction with each other that's exactly say exactly the point see the industry can't come and arrest you and put you in jail right governments can but when they cooperate they can add extra dimensions to what the government has knowledge in terms of knowledge of the government has to bill you brought really good point about a minute ago when you said you know there's people that we knew about this for ten years you guys have been saying that you've been yelling on the rooftops as well as a couple of people like thomas drake what is your response to people who say snowden hasn't brought us anything new we already knew about this the documents
don't tell us anything that their response is pretty simple this is irrefutable evidence. up until then they could have denied it and said that's not really too true but now with the evidence that's why he took all that data out because that was the only way to convince people now he had the evidence which was the government's data so the government can't they cannot there's no way they can deny it so we have documents finally you've got a good point as well when you said that people are focusing on character assassinations and the way that this is all being done why why are people focusing so much on snowden and greenwald and not the leaks that's a good question. you know over to europe right now there's a greater debate about this entire matter they seem to appreciate the threat more than the typical american does we're spoiled we've enjoyed this country for two to three hundred years but we've never lived under a dictatorship we've never lived under the nazis we've never lived under the stasi
the secret police at the germans and many of the europeans have and they remember those harsh conditions and they don't want that to return so i think that's why they understand it and get it a little bit better but i think most of the polling that i've seen pretty much the majority still side with snow on this one which is encouraging there really is all about the constitution it really is you know no matter how much they try to frame it here really is about the content of the document it's like the wizard of oz you know attention of the man behind the curtain right ok. that's what they gain their point bill i want to play another clip from the stone interview where he talks about what it means to be a patriot. patriot doesn't mean prioritizing service to government above all else. being a patriot. means knowing when to protect your country knowing when to protect your constitution knowing when to protect your country. from the
violations of any and encroachments of adversaries and those adversaries don't have to be foreign countries but that clip really resonated with you do you agree that you sometimes need to break the law in order to stand up for what's right well well let's put it this way there are several things that are involved here first the oath of office that everybody takes in government including the congress and the president and everybody else is to protect and defend the constitution not defend the government not defend an agency not defend the president so that's the first thing secondly. the point that he was making in terms of standing up is really what the responsibility of citizens is that you have to stand up to defend the constant you cannot sit by and be quiet if you acquiesce to it you know nobody speaks up you can put state like the nazis developed that's fundamentally what it is and we're on that path now with section ten twenty one of
the n d a were talked about giving the president the power to declare somebody a terrorist threat take them up the street with the military incarcerate them indefinitely give them no due process that's that's not the nazi order of forty eight issued in one nine hundred thirty three that's exactly what they did if you go on the web you can read it it says basically the same thing and at what point are they going to stop following orders and stand up for what's right kirk what's your opinion on the usa freedom act of course this is it's been transformed quite a bit passed in the house now in passage in the senate disappointment. much disappointment while it narrows measured data collection using accounts of hops from a known or suspected bad person. when you do the math and the numbers are still huge in numbers. of innocent people that get swept up into this vacuum cleaner. all along bill and i and others have tried to build
a system the thin thread that we talked about earlier that was focused on very closely on known bad people and their relationships with others yet to be determined. but collecting all the measured data but encrypting it to protect. the identities of all those innocent people out there that gave you the best chance to find things you didn't know about and also focus analysis on the things you do know about and do your job and make sure you cover that well with that kind of technique we don't think we would have had a boston marathon for example explosion and so forth so n.s.a. is not operating at optimal what we would call optimal levels of analysis so when i look at the freedom act narrowing mehta data it sounds good in the protection of privacy but it really doesn't afford that much and i didn't hear nothing about encrypting the innocent the identities of innocent people so n.s.a.
can still look at those people illegally as far as i'm concerned we have about a minute left but you know for people like me in the audience is watching this show i feel like we really want to get our hands on encrypted and try to figure out how we can protect our data online and i feel like it's not as user friendly as i guess it should be what's your advice to people who want to protect their data i think if they are after you there's no way virtually you can do that you know. unfortunately that's true i mean because way because i look at pretty much this way there's so much capability even if you have an encryption once you decrypt it in there is it going to look at you and then once you put it in your system in a decrypted form they can come through a break in your computer and take it out that way so it doesn't make any difference what you do my point all along has been that's why i call the police state is that ronald reagan said we are a country with a government we're now we're a government with a country that's what we're turning into we've got ten seconds i would just simply
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and here's what's coming up tonight on the big picture. republicans in washington are continuing their attacks on the obama over the obama administration's decision to hand over five taliban members in return for u.s. army sergeant bowe bergdahl is this republican our rage warranted or are republicans just trying to deflect attention away from how many times they block the votes to fund the v.a. that and more in tonight's long liberal rumble also wal-mart executives are already some of the richest people in the world making more money in an hour than most people make in a year so why are they getting even more money from the american taxpayers and a gun enthusiasts down in texas are walking into coffee shops and burger joints with a military style assault rifle strapped to their backs they claim it's because they're protesting gun control laws but in today's daily take i'll tell you what's really behind their jobs.
you know this early leave no man behind comes as some caviar when you ask and serve it is about conservative pundits and lawmakers are continuing their attacks over the obama administration's decision to swipe five taliban members for u.s. army sergeant bowe bergdahl last night news bill o'reilly went off on the prisoner swap calling the obama administration it's calling national security adviser susan rice. praising bergdahl as a military service take away. there is growing anger in america over president obama's swapping five taliban war criminals for sergeant bowe bergdahl who may have deserted his unit in afghanistan before being captured by the taliban in two thousand and nine there is compelling evidence that the sergeant violated military law and may have even collaborated with the enemy however top obama security
adviser susan rice is saying this about bergdahl. he's going to be safely reunited with his family he served the united states with honor and distinction another very dubious statement by ambassador rice whom you'll remember is the person who misled the world about benghazi but that's the administration's take that sergeant bergdahl is an honorable man politics aside the release of the five taliban war criminals it's a troubling precedent and it's almost indefensible in the face of sergeant bergdahl status but meanwhile fox news resident quack psychiatrist dr keith ablow suggested that the taliban prisoner swap shows that president obama doesn't have american ism in his soul. brock obama does not have the will of the american the american ism in his soul and this swap somebody may not feel very american for five people who definitely don't is symptomatic of that it was bound to happen when you
have a leader who doesn't affiliate with patriotism even the folks over at the drudge report got it on the action with their cover image and headline reading obama saved iraq and countless other conservative pundits have gone after bergdahl the obama administration and even the bergdahl family meanwhile a host of republican lawmakers including senators mccain and in hoff have now come out against the move to secure bowe bergdahl as freedom after initially pushing to secure his release by any means necessary efficiently u.s. army soldiers creed reads in part i am an american soldier i'm a warrior and a member of a team i serve the people you know states and live the army values i will always place the mission first i will never accept defeat i will never quit i will never leave a fallen comrade as the creed that every us army soldier knows by heart and recites nowhere notice that nowhere in that creed does it say it's ok to leave
a soldier behind if some pundits or politicians disagree spy. all of the media uproar and despite all of the speculation over the possible reasons for his capture while bergdahl is still an american soldier he volunteered to be a member of the united states army he volunteered to go to war protect the lives of u.s. citizens and in america we don't leave fallen or captured soldiers. no matter the circumstances but now it seems like republicans in washington and pundits across the conservative media think we should leave soldiers behind the shoe fits so should we abandon hundreds of years of precedent rewrite the soldier's creed and only rescue fallen and captured american soldiers if it's the politically right thing to do that certain republicans agree with let's rubble. ok. i'll or harbor republican strategist and
kevin martin and remember the project for the black leadership network let's let's get started guys you heard my rant but even beyond that. john mccain crashed five airplanes he was he had been reprimanded repeatedly he was a hot dog terrible pilot and he finally crashed in south vietnam richard nixon traded p.o.w.'s to get him back was that a mistake. i'm going to yield to the better and i think first of all what you left out of your rant was that byrd all left his weapon his body armor and his helmet left a note behind saying that he didn't want to be part of the mission anymore and even tried to renounce his us citizenship so what before. ok why is he all of a sudden he's a why do we need the reasons why all the from the us sold but he said he didn't want to be part of the mission anymore he said he didn't want to be an american he was ashamed of what we do on you shame to what we do with the afghan people ok this
susan rice comes out says he's certain distinction but they're backed. up until today i've been told i looked at it i know up until today they started eyes backpedaling the white house he's backpedaling was ok he's so what are going to stick to this they told the did they told the intelligence to be the cherry picked intelligence remember that he walked away he accidently got well that walked away from his hellish kavanaugh number one the whole no no no you're on a you can't you can't filibuster and i'm not going to have you do it i'm sorry your question is you have your admins don't read about it i answered your question number one are you suggesting that in america you are not innocent until found guilty by a military officer who sort of the military tells the standards of military just a little bit high even in the usual general you're guilty until proven innocent no no that's not true and wot i did you said is get you are using the phrase you don't have the use i'm sure rob innocent you have the right to prove your innocence but
i'm do you see him jake the government has a right to prove your will to not have the napoleonic code for our military will so you say to use the j. ews now you see m j as needing to know what you should yes i do and you sure don't know under the u.c. i'm jay you are innocent until proven guilty already the soldiers in the trial this guy's going to get a trial if he committed a crime but he was he told you to try he we had notes. we have to know what evil people have meant suicide in the military because they can't deal with the right track and they have people crack in it's a long way to the v.a. but you know that's a political we took up earlier people people die you know people commit as i said the people commit suicide are you suggesting that they should be denied military funerals that we should say that if somebody cracks or goes crazy what if this crack what if he actually cracked they went crazy are you saying that you know just he did it hell yes he cleared to be hearing right he's oh i don't pretend to get exactly he didn't behave right away i mean i why is saying instead of assuming that
what you're saying is true and there's seems to be a fair amount of evidence for it does that mean that we should say screw him we you know for soldiers who don't behave the way we like for soldiers who but who may be a little less patriotic or even totally on patriotic we're just going to say screw them they're not soldiers anyone thought of a decent shot of course he should be if he's convicted i think regardless he entered a filled battle and as a united states military not an officer but military and listening to him and he should be brought back to the united states we don't leave men behind and i think because a number of republican pundits have asserted that we should have left him i don't think that that covers the entire republican idea i believe very strongly and i think you'll be hard pressed to find members of republican members of congress to disagree that we should be brought here he should be brought to justice he should undergo a court martial process but i do believe that the administration went off half cocked they went off trying to welcome home
a hero moment but then he came home with all these questions i don't think this was a rose garden moment i think they made a mistake doing that most interesting thought so you know the the the rose garden part of it perhaps i mean this is the first repatriated p.o.w. . brilliant a serious way since well you know i always feel guilty so if the taliban is captured american soldier killed in the sky. killed he must be giving them some type of big because why was he killed we had five other guys and they wanted them back they've been they've been offered money they offered we we have a clip here i think we have the clip of john mccain this is when when the taliban first contacted us they said you got five of our guys in jail and we'll swill trade them for this guy bergdahl this was a year ago and john mccain was the one he's been to john mccain was anybody you know out here is nonsense he's made it to get what so if there was some the possibility of some sort of exchange that's something you would support. i would
support obviously i'd have to know the details but i would support ways of bringing him home and if exchange was one of them i think that would be something i think we should seriously consider so he's in favor of a before he's opposed to it i mean the same thing with kelly ayotte the same thing with i mean well look what what what can i say. none of us had any information at that point and i think that mccain was operating but our lives lived normally all walked away from his sight was the news i mean that that the fact that this guy had what he said about and still was there and so we're going to eat you so you're taking my position and your knowledge is i would ask you to excuse me you talk about republicans even democrats know about it dianne feinstein then she was introduced to channel one that she wasn't really in the news because when he walked off but she did know about what obamacare. oh bob apologized to congress without telling them about the do all that you want of a recall harry reid let him know the deal was going to say you know about yourself
or you don't think the president should be commander in chief of the military oh but wait a minute did the bush and we and we did not we didn't know we need to. look no one knew anything in the four committee oh but now with the president you don't think you don't think the president talked to you spending taught you spending like the top tonight ok all the potus he is now boomeranging back for the i think what's going on here seriously kevin obviously that a lot here is that you guys try to take out obama with the i.r.s. and then when we discovered that the i.r.s. was actually looking into more liberal organizations and conservative ones you tried to take out obama with the v.a. and then and then it was started to be that seven times republican filibuster voted to get obligato only put the only person trying to take out all of us you started as you know bob every solve every single it out because you know what you were i think you were i think you guys were going to huff and puff and others which nobody expected to be because because because it was starting to come out about the republicans defund you know the baby boom we see this. looking at. from
a communications standpoint as much as we could be objective we were going to finish it right after this more along the rubble after the birth. of the new. face. pleasure to have you with us here on our team today i'm sure. we welcome aaron eight and abby martin to be terrific hosts on the our team network
. it's going to give you a different perspective give you one star i'll never i'll give you the information you make the decision don't worry about how brave he was. in the mind it's a revolution of ideas and consciousness. to since the extreme right. would be described as angry i think in a strong. under single. the fact that that's a local level joining me are tyler harbor and kevin martin let's get back to it in the wake of yesterday's promising senate judiciary committee hearings on campaign finance reform and citizens united senator ted. cruz's introduced
a bill that would basically well actually quote allow unlimited direct contributions by citizens and lawful permanent residents of the united states to candidates in federal elections basically he wants to be able to be bought by whoever is the highest bidder now this is already happening since liberals have been crying for the into super pacs this is the end of super pac it would kill the super pacs there's already a limited money that's being poured into super pacs to begin with let's just cut to the chase give unlimited money to to both democrats and republicans but i don't see under what legal problems that there are there isn't a limit on what they can give to super pacs so our users are using you know the argument that the supreme court has made that was never made before nine hundred seventy six when they first made the buckley case and they finally nailed it in citizens united was that george washington actually fought the revolutionary war to protect billionaires now i thought the boston tea party was a revolt against the largest billion dollar company in the world the east india
company and that actually all the billionaires fled the united states during and after the revolutionary war it was seven hundred ninety seven before we had our first millionaire in the united states and but you know that somehow in that first amendment where it says freedom of speech that that also meant money you know i got one hundred forty seven dollars in my pocket here and it hasn't said a word all day long up until nine hundred seventy six we always regulated money in politics as a behavior the spending of money is a behavior it's not speech it's a behavior that could that is subject to regulation and i don't you know i here's here's. jamie raskin he's a law professor talking about if you think that money is still others point though about speech is a critical point for people to understand and there are lots of forms of purchase in exchange that we criminalize for example buying sex we don't say if someone wants to purchase the services of a prostitute well that's just an expression of their speech because when you look at what the social meaning in context of the use of. money in that way is and i
think even mr abrams and the people on the other side in this issue take the position that laws against bribery are ok and it's not clear in their position why after i mean you know why should bribery be a lead let's say i passionately believe the heroin should be decriminalized and i go out and i buy one hundred thousand dollars with a heroin isn't that political speech if it's going to money is speech and it's protected by the press but i think that money is the issue you can spend one hundred forty seven dollars that you've got your pocket any way you want and legal or illegal right it right now it is legal for you to spend one hundred forty seven one hundred one hundred forty seven thousand one hundred forty seven million dollars from seventeen paying seven hundred eighty seven until until two thousand and ten it was not legal you saw what it's legal now so we will say oh we have a little it's divine so we have a vision of alcohol to see what it's so so because because we have such a corrupted system because we've essentially because the supreme court has five out
of nine justices on the supreme court and stevens's. dissent on this is brilliant reading by the way if you ever read the dissent and citizens united and he suggested a supreme court amendment to change this but because five out of nine guys in the supreme court decided that somehow money money is found in the in the constitution in the first amendment we're supposed to just go along with a wholesale then if that's what your government works is if it doesn't we should have the right no no discipline court served its purpose in terms of the law congress can go to adelaide and congress so let's not lose billions because just as many democrats are giving money as republicans are and tom styer for an example said he would spend hundreds of millions if not up to a billion dollars doing counteracting what what he perceives to be an unjust amount of money being spent on the right just on climate change but the end of
a bad idea. given light i've seen how i mean i'm as i'm one of those i'm as opposed to bloomberg and stier by in politics as i'm opposed to the koch brothers and shelly adelson i had legal authority humiliating as an american when the when the world wide press reports on five presidential candidates going to a casino in las vegas to literally not literally but metaphorically kiss the ring on the hand of a billionaire who made his money by the way in china with casinos in macau to take chinese money and say i'm going to buy this election which one of you guys is going to do what i want to do this is not america this is on a merry light but me but you mean like the unions do all of the that we're in is going to be able to do it either but we say it's an answer the union should be able to have plenty of people fresh and all i can say with certainty that no single donation no matter how large it was ever manipulated the tactics and strategy and never made a candidate win or that is that is b.s.
and no tell me why tell me why because because turn on television any night if you see television programming with no commercials general electric buying those commercials because they just like pissing away their money right but but but never has has one of the koch brothers picked up the phone said this is the exact commercial i want you to to run with this how do you know how do you know well that's what i had so i don't want is a point is if you're saying that advertising doesn't influence people politically but it does cause people to buy soap but to suit suit sort of things like this so does open debate that's the same thing it's advertising this is not over until it's a basically this is to be able to choose not to exist at all by. what we support just hate it it's what's political debate do you yet have a probably no idea what it was john mccain who joined with russ feingold to pacifying mccain feingold which is was struck down by the supreme court because i mean i know republicans and democrats politicians in this town i've met with them
i've talked to. them who have said to me off the record usually with republicans democrats will say it on the record i hate the fact that i have to spend six hours a day walking three blocks away from my office to a private office in fact where i do my radio show from is a building that's three blocks of senate office building and there's probably twenty senators and forty members of the house of representatives every office is in there and they sit there and they dial for dollars all day long these guys hate it the democrats hate it the republicans hate it probably the only person in congress who doesn't hate his dear allies or because he's got seven hundred million dollars they can write his own checks to himself. so he doesn't have to hate it and in fact this is one of the reasons why here again and it probably is you're absolutely right and he shouldn't be able to write checks for his campaign either and that's what was allowed in seventy six and in the buckley versus plato but let me say this but i understand your opposition to money in politics i get that but talking about the specific bill that is being presented here all does is give you lots of us tax and wouldn't know it doesn't this bill this bill simply gives
congress the authority to regulate money in politics it doesn't say how they have to do it you've got a republican controlled house of representatives i guarantee of at least half of the republicans and probably three quarters of them in that house are sick and tired of having to beg for money sure so leave so they have a shape a congress has the ability to regulate more wouldn't that be if your argument that it needs to control more of them the amount of money that being given to campaigns wouldn't that be a good thing. is that a good thing when our elected representatives who are supposed to be legislating on our behalf sure instead spending in most cases more than half of the time that we're paying their hundred thousand dollars ours is many more than half of that time on the phone dialing for dollars are going to name his own. you can spin one hundred forty just i don't know that way any way you want and i believe that that includes giving any amount of money that you choose to retain ok we're starting to
go. circles on this let's let's move along republicans alabama have offered up two thousand dollars reward for information that directly leads to a felony conviction for border fraud they're putting up signs ruaridh stop reward cold one stop for a fraud at random polling places around the states during yesterday's primaries the plan is places signs of all polling locations for november's midterm. the odds of somebody committing voter fraud are one in two point three million we had you know what in the last two years six people convicted of this. your chance of dying in an asteroid apocalypse or one in twelve thousand your ads of our odds of being struck by lightning are one in a million your odds of being becoming a movie star one in one point five million i mean all of those of those things are more likely to happen to you than than you know for any visit with voter fraud in their. voter fraud that's because it's voter fraud that's what i'm saying vote fraud is that's what i've said as well in this forum for a little bit is
a cohort of these these these these this is money right this is a big money a judge and i believe it was pennsylvania may have been ohio but i'm pretty sure was pennsylvania in the last election cycle ruled that these billboards that were put up that said you were an x. exclusively put up in black neighborhoods and said you can go to prison for voter fraud were intended purely to scare people away from going to the polls because there are a little voters who did not have a disclaimer i don't know who paid for what was the reason for the no that was the the reason was that this was an attempt at cross the police forces all over this nation used crimestoppers a reward for information that leads to at least you know grass or a conviction says a year later because it's a prove your i pad just a very you're actually both you guys are actually arguing that you know i mean there's no sign of outside the d.m.v. that when i went in a couple weeks ago to renew my driver's license the says you can go to jail if you lie about your driver's license all in. true oh you can't legislate it it says no
side is i believe plato the bible says you know that john a little falls when you sign your name and that lou fine print says you can go to jail of the charge of perjury it doesn't matter it doesn't matter edge from let me know still it doesn't marlon to i read this i know it says it says you go to jail for i know i don't respond by problem it's a crime when you put lots of things are crimes it's a crime to shoplift a safeway they don't put a giant sign out front this is what i've been to the shoplifters they will be prosecuted they put a sad on the door this little discipline don't you walk into shop look these will be part of what this is and i level what this is all about is trying to make people afraid to vote and so it's all a bit particularly readable to do that or choice create a lawyer traditionally follow rashed by police well you take as you know is less traditionally harassed by police and you threaten them with police action and you're going to get people who look at your gave it maybe i don't like monologue i like to think that that my party's strategies are smart but you're given too much
credit for thinking through the emotional and behavioral aspects of something like this this what what this is this is paul weyrich want to one the guy who started alec back in the seventy's the guy who ran the reagan campaign here is this is what he said. how many of our chris have what i call for goose syndrome good government they want everybody to vote. i don't want everybody to vote elections are not won by a majority of people they never have been from the beginning of our country and they are not now i don't matter of fact our leverage in the election is quite candid like go drop out of voting populace go down as the co-founder alec which is sponsored all these bills to suppress the vote and put these put these signs out threatening people well anyway and now born and all these other organization exist . but when it did it made see what about the new black panther party stand. just
either. but the point about the dream act it's up to sunrise three three black guys a black districts who are saying we don't want they didn't want to see that basically the same thing the rank was was doing he used to go to native american communities and say you know i was like yeah big tall six yes exactly white guys you know you know brag about it and how he got his gig on the supreme court really tyler harbor kevin martin thanks for joining us will be coming up wal-mart already cost american taxpayers millions of dollars each year thanks to its extremely low wages and lack of health care benefits for its employees so why are wal-mart executives allowed to take even more money out of the pockets of american taxpayers .
well it. might. be unscrewed news walmart likes to say it's all about good deals fact it's all ad campaign is about how much money you can save by shopping at wal-mart instead of other stores summer's almost here we're talking about the walmart low price guarantee that you receive from the store it is a plus but it's the sense that wal-mart you don't have to buy more than want to get the single right you know that's great for me this summer savings while three twenty four just keep getting better and better i'm forty seven it's wonderful you're swimming in summer see if you find a lower price they'll match it at the register and i don't see how that's possible it's possible some are saying it's all t.v. spots aside though wal-mart is actually a huge ripoff particularly for tax payers according to
a new report put out by the institute for policy studies and americans for tax fairness wal-mart has cost the american public as much as one hundred four million dollars over the past six years by exploiting a tax loophole that helps it and its executives monsters sums of money joining me now for more on this report is sara anderson director of the global economy project at the institute for policy studies sarah welcome and i see a time thanks for having it for joining us one hundred four million dollars in six years in this thing it's insane we have this per verse loophole in the tax code that basically means that the more corporations pay their c.e.o. the less they pay uncle sam and that's because there is a loophole that allows them to unlimited amounts from their corporate income taxes for executive pay as long as that so-called performance based pay so basis anybody was shot at either one or two million one million dollars is the cap that there's
an exemption for. formants pay and so this is the stock options and performance grants and other kinds of bonuses that qualify for this exemption we know it's not really performance pay they can jigger that criteria to ensure that executive gets the money and that the company gets the tax it action this is mind boggling so the other thing that i find is incredible is that. as a small business person you know i i own this show and my radio show got about fifteen employees and i can't pay myself in stock options and if i was to try to do that and then say oh and i want to roll over my stock options and pay a maximum twenty percent income tax with a mitt romney does the with the walmart executives do i go to jail for tax fraud and you want you know why this giant loophole for the for the executives of these giant of these publicly traded corporations absolutely perverse loophole and the interesting thing though is that there is a growing momentum to get rid of this not the republican chair of the ways and
means committee dave camp has come out for a fix more and more moderate democrats are coming out for a fix i'm hoping that we'll see real action on this and the report is designed to even increase the outrage factor because here is a company wal-mart that's a burgeoning taxpayers through it's a low wage practice this is right now which is a pay their workers so little that they're forced to rely on public assistance or what we're adding to that is that the double tax burden people are not only subsidizing their low wage practices they're also subsidizing their c.e.o. pay right prior to the reagan administration which changed the rules on executive compensation so it was possible to compensate c.e.o.'s with stock options used to be illegal the c.e.o.'s were responsible to the company as an institution to the employees to the customers and to the community as well as to the stockholders and as a result of that the average c.e.o. nine hundred eighty had been with the company for over thirty years people worked
their way up from. from the from the bottom they were loyal to the company. when when we started paying them with stock options eight of course they qualified for the capital gains deduction would be they stopped their loyalty to these other four constituencies and kept it only to the stockholders which has created a landscape in america do you think it's possible that we can change that it's not even good first stockholders for executives to have incentives to stock prices in the short term so they can cash in on their stock options and walk away with it sometimes tens hundreds of millions of dollars and so it is a crazy system that doesn't benefit the communities the stockholders the workers anybody except the c.e.o.'s and the other executives that sit on the corporate boards and approve of these crazy pay packages so you know was this i frankly don't remember i know it was done during the reagan administrations either eighty three or eighty six as i recall the whole you can pay yours years your c.e.o.'s can be paid in stock options thing i did was legislatively doner was
a regular branch how does it get under oh well we can get rid of this loophole that allows them to deduct all of that prime tax their taxes and that would really reduce the incentive to use that kind of compensation their original idea was that it would align the interests of c.e.o.'s with shareholders because it started your answer only valuable if the value of the stock goes up what we see is that when times there are bad in the stock price goes down they just give them a whole bunch more stock options so it just has to go up a little bit for them to cash and we saw that after the crash in two thousand and eight goldman sachs' board gave ten times as many stock options when their stock price was in the tank as they had before the crash because then their executives could cash in meanwhile the shareholders are still sitting on an undervalued stock so the c.e.o.'s are essentially inside trading i mean you know the rules are rigged there is absolutely rigged to benefit them this is a perverse loophole it's easy to fix
a. we're hoping to see some momentum on that syria anderson thanks and thanks for last year. in the best of the rest the news there's an old saying that as california goes so goes the nation so part of california broke off and formed its own state or even its own country with the rest of the us react believe it or not the answer that question might come sooner than you think it's because yesterday voters in three northern california counties got to vote on whether or not they would like to secede remove themselves from the golden state and join the proposed state of jefferson or something called the jefferson republican independent nation the secession vote failed in del norte a in cisco and cisco you counties voters in hama county approved so why would anyone want to secede from california and what happens
next after yesterday's vote joining me now from california or jefferson if you prefer for more on this is branding chris member of the siskiyou county board of supervisors brennan welcome to the program i think you've told for every meal and thanks for joining us tonight back in september the cisco you correct me if i'm mispronouncing it. says q thank you the siskiyou county board of supervisors which you're a part of voted in favor of secession what's your reaction to yesterday's vote. well yesterday's vote in a county looked quite strong i think del norte was in the high fifty something to forty something percent i think persisted county the vote was in on the state of jefferson it was on the jefferson republic so a big group of guys put a ballot initiative on there to create its stead of being a state trying to create a territory. it just shows that their overall disapproval people have with being
part of the without being represented in the city california yeah a bachelor they wanted is no want to be part of the united states of america. their territory the united states territory and why they want to become like puerto rico protesting. circular headed they want to become like puerto rico now yes military true within a territory within the state of california men within the. federal federal system it was a very interesting idea that i. it was felt there would it bring he. felt that it would bring. better representation rather than be part of the studio rather than be your own home state so that we've given greater independence to be a territory rather than a silver state that's fascinating you know if you if you look at the united states senate you can have a group of senators who represent fewer than thirteen million people in the united
states and we've got you know a total of over three hundred million people you know since you got it you have a group of senators who represent over the fewer than thirteen million people basically block any legislation they want that that's pretty mind boggling it does make sense to me frankly the california be broken up into three states south middle and north that is already broken into two states in new york be broken into two states new york city become its own state and the texas be broken into two states. is that the kind of thinking that's going on here or is this about you know we just don't want to have a deal with america. i just asked to be what you said previous there the mindset is to have your own state you have the greater representation at the federal level as well as at the yet at the state level to get your example we have one each for certain it guys had to get around senators in other words and yes our own senators representative to bring up a good example would be the klamath river hydropower dams eighty percent assist you
county in neighboring a klamath county oregon or own to four of those dams both counties together in the vast majority eighty percent of the system you can you want to keep those dams in our state legislators do whisper locking it is that we have federal legislators representing san francisco los angeles area who support taking those dams out governor schwarzenegger signed an agreement to take it up but he refused to come to this you county and the way we view it is they don't even want to come to sue county listen to our concerns and represent us part of california and let a spirit state is the net not here that california is really too large to be a single state. i think it is when you compare us to the eastern states city county and what up county in northern california are the size of the state of vermont in vermont a good sized state for new england for our for our area it would just make sense to
have a split up when he compares to the eastern states land weiss of california takes in the ocean it takes in the mountains and it takes an air culture it takes in large cities would just make sense to have this split up to have a fairer presentation as a whole just just for this whole movement basically was back in one thousand forty one when it was championed that it was to have representation for for areas we don't want to tell urban california what to do we just respect that we don't want or in california. yeah. i can tell you as a as a resident of the wall of the district of columbia where i have no senators at all and my representative is not allowed to vote that taxation without representation is no fun at all i have some empathy for you how you guys are feeling that way either this is going on and you think this is going to happen any in the anytime in the near future we've got about thirty seconds brenda. i think a kid hit
a kid in the other states start fighting it would have to be a real state and urban state different areas but if they just something that has widespread appeal that can happen yeah i think it would be great for the united states if our senate represented the makeup of the united states the way the house of representatives to us brannon chris thanks a lot for being with us keep us up to date i was going to. say for the opportunity to enjoy it thank you. coming up if you're looking for an explanation as to why people in texas feel the need to carry our fifty's fifteen's into a busy restaurant but i've got one word for you reaganomics more on that right after the break.
i would rather as questions to people in positions of power instead of speaking on their behalf and that's why you can find my show larry king now right here on our t.v. question for. i've met that. side but i don't think corporation kind of can. do and the bank all that all about money and others that actually
think for a politician write the laws and regulations. coming up. here just to plug. the days. that. well. it's technology innovation all the developments from around russia we've got the future covered. talk about the big picture a recent piece for the new york times columnist frank bruni pointed out something startling about the state of the modern world at least the united states he wrote we no longer have news something happens and before the facts are even subtle the
morals are to do is to the laws and strawn as one person after another posits its real significance the truth the knowable verifiable truth is left in the dust. almost as proving bernie's point a new study is that people who watch the cold beer report or are more are better informed than people who watch any of the major cable news networks any of them so whatever happened to real news and why are people learning more from comedy shows than actual you know news programs let's ask lee camp star of archie's america's new comedy show redacted tonight so we welcome to the program for sanctimony time graduations and gig thank you so. what's wrong with today's modern means everything to know where to begin to it's i mean a large part of it is who owns it like you know it's these three six six owners that own all these networks and so they have a say in what these news anchors are allowed to talk about and it's and it's
killing our news i think there's such important issues that aren't being covered you know transitivity partnership or you mentioned f.c.c. like these issues aren't getting covered the way they need to be and you know luckily as a comedian it feels like i get to hit everywhere you know it's they they always say if if you're going to tell the truth make sure you make them laugh or they'll kill you well well that was actually i mean there's actually some truth to that in the old days i mean the kings realized that they had to figure out what the what the dissenters were actually saying what were the dissenting voices but everybody was afraid to tell it to them and so the jester the court jesters literally in england and throughout the throughout the middle ages literally had an immunity from having his head cut off the matter what he said now. it's not quite that way anymore well you see call there at the press corps has his famous moment at the press corps dinner where he was able to speak the truth strong george bush but the flip side of that though is bill maher lost his show on a.b.c. news the minute he came out and said to the guys and you know the nine eleven
bombers i think he said they showed some courage rather than like that you know and what he was trying to say is you know the they at least believed in what they were . doing a we all disagree with the figure was crazy but but boy he was so any help. john oliver did a segment on net neutrality i have been astounded by how corporate network news we've we've covered it fairly heavily on this program and i do on my radio show. and i think in some ways progressive radio in america is is covering a lot of the stuff better than any of the television shows but there's been a virtual blackout on the net neutrality you participated in some of the occupy occupy the f.c.c. stuff here thoughts on that and oh and john oliver i mean when he did it on comedy central it browned out the f.c.c. is server i mean it's well well here might be part of the key it's not on the comedy central anymore he's on h.b.o. so he no longer is has to worry about advertisers or anything so that is that is
a key difference with the h.b.o. his show on h.b.o. i think amazing but if he doesn't have to worry about viacom you know it's wonderful to show because viacom would not want to do in a program a net neutrality when on the day even on the comedy show yeah yeah net neutrality is incredibly crucial and it speaks to what we're talking about because even how people are getting their news outside of these you know news channels that are collapsing or you know are going the way of the dinosaurs it's people are getting their information from a free and open internet and that's why it's so incredible that's why the internet is so incredible and here they are trying to you know clamp it down and from comedians in our last half a minute or so here tell us about redacted tonight steamships yeah it's going to do hopefully all these things that i've been talking about with with bringing the truth important stories i mean this week second episode what we got a video of general petraeus being introduced as basically going to war for oil and
they said it in a positive light she was like so we don't have to fight for oil anymore and he doesn't deny it and how is that like not a story. it's it amazes me and so we're going to use the real stories but make them funny and hopefully people want to drive their cars of bridges because it's too depressing they're going to laugh to tell you go can't the program is eight o'clock friday nights reruns eleven thirty i believe right after the show right if i'm doing this for you pretty soon thanks so much for dropping by. it's the good the bad of the very very question where only ugly the good alan grayson the florida congressman took a stand for freedom of the press last night by attaching an amendment to an
appropriations bill that prevents the government from requiring journalists like the new york times james rising to testify in court against their sources the amendment which passed two twenty five to one hundred three says none of the funds made available by this act may be used to compel a journalist or reporter testify about information or sources that the journalist or reporter states in a motion to quash the subpoena that he has obtained as a journalist a reporter or that he regards as confidential right of journalists to protect their sources is an important part of having a free press good and congressman grace for sticking up for that the bad lifesavers ministry is the alabama bible school is under fire today for using a hitler quote and one of its billboard ads a quote which said he alone who owns the youth gains the future is actually attributed to hitler and always placed a billboard outside the village mall in auberon alabama lifesavers ministries took
down the billboard yesterday but why they decided to put it up in the first place is. baffling and the very. very ugly the congressman steve king who will tweets out this morning the i will congressman accused national security advisor susan rice a frequent target of the new guys you could spira see feel this of lying about the bowe bergdahl deal to help al qaeda seriously he said those are eyes wide true american people again bergdahl taken in battle which like both sides swap ease and negotiators are working for. bergdahl it seems has become the new benghazi and that is for a very. tuesday
the n.r.a. apologized for a state been published on its website called gun rights protesters in texas weird and scary as saban came after gun activists in the state brought assault rifles into busy restaurants and fends retail stores to show off their open carry rights for a moment there it looked like wayne la pierre and company were actually being reasonable but yesterday the n.r.a. is director of legislative action chris cox called back his group's statements saying that it wasn't the n.r.a. his job to criticize the wall full behavior of fellow gun. now the truth is an alert went out that referred to this type of behavior as weird or somehow not normal and that was a mistake it shouldn't happen i've had a discussion with the staffer who wrote that piece and expressed his personal opinion and our jobs not to criticize the lawful behavior of fellow gun owners our job grovel much mr cox since apologized there's been
a lot of talk about how the n.r.a. can't escape the more radical parts of the gun movement you know people who for whatever reason want to bring in a ar fifteen to chili's and while that's an important discussion to have it misses the bigger question why why would anyone feel the need to bring in a ar fifteen a chili's in the first place. i mean the obvious answer is that america is a gun obsessed country with a frontier history and that open carry activists are just a small but vocal part of a much bigger subculture but i think that misses the point it goes to what's really going on here goes much deeper than just saying that open carry activists are a symptom of american gun culture doesn't tell us why they're picking right now spring two thousand and fourteen to protest i think this has everything to do with the economy and the destruction of the american middle class for the past thirty three years reaganomics has blown a hole right through the heart of the american dream wealth inequality in this
country is near banana republic levels unionization is at an all time low and the american middle class is now the smallest it's been in decades the foundation of our society has been torn apart and people are desperate to get some control over their lives in an otherwise chaotic time in our society the crash of two thousand and eight and the fact that the republican party has blocked any efforts by obama to fix the economy since then have only made things worse and so people who feel helpless disempowered and impotent particularly men turn to guns when everything else is falling around you the bills are stacking up your job won't pay or you can't even get one a gun to make you feel strong after all it gives you the ultimate power literally the power over life and death. we really shouldn't be surprised but our society tells young men from the moment they're born that they're only real men and they
can stake their claim get a job that provides that for them and their families we expect them to be strong in the face of danger we expect them to stand up for themselves when they're threatened. but the dangers we face today in reaganomics america are different or difficult to put your finger on you can't fight against them with republicans controlling the house outright control in the senate with a filibuster obama and these guys who carry the guns they can't fight unemployment they can't punch rising healthcare costs guns because their physical things however give people the chance to feel like they have some sort of control over their life in the world around them after all who is more of an independent man than a guy who can waltz into a store and command attention because he's got a day are fifteen slaughter crosses back is like a bottle a gun slinger i know in the past on this program i've made fun of people in the gun rights movement by calling the members of the small penis gun club but this is actually becoming serious stuff. just take
a look across the pond and you'll see why in europe a crappy economy has given rise to a whole new movement of far right nationalist groups many of whom openly call it all fit luray hero and who put weapons and violence at the core of their political theology. america doesn't have quite the same history of fascism as europe does although you could argue the jim crow era was fascistic and slavery before it get worse but make no mistake about it the people joining up with golden dawn to attack immigrants in the streets of athens are driven by the same emotions as those people who waltz into a chili's carrying an assault rape. until the economy gets better more and more people will hold up their guns as a way to feel powerful in a society that has rendered them powerless just a fact and that's why it's time to turn our backs on the failed thirty three year experiment of reaganomics and bring back an economy that works only then will these
goods because one whole attention and the mainstream media works side by side the joke is actually on the we're going to be coming back. at our teen years we have a different price for the job because the news of the world just is not this funny i'm not laughing dammit i'm not. ok. i've. got to stick to the jokes i will handle them except that i've got to.
today on larry king now one of the world's most powerful preachers is bishop t.d. jakes you think we're legend has a role in politics in this country yes motives would never be separate deal but whenever anybody is ready to run big you're religious where there are no you cannot legislate love you just cannot legislate it you cannot make a mandate for people. to feel differently plus why do you have the faith i believe that like evolving and i can never prove that out of that i'm open. i believe that like i know when i'm in pain i could never prove to you that i'm in pain but i know what i am all next on larry king now. he has been named america's.