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coming up on our t.v. uproar grows over the obama administration's deal to trade a u.s. soldier for five get most detainees some in congress and the public are outraged so how will this affect other detainees chances of being released from guantanamo bay we'll look at that ahead. a huge mobile phone company is linked with international phone tapping six countries have used vodafone's network to listen to and record customers calls or in this case of mass eavesdropping coming up. and today events were held around the globe to mark the seventieth anniversary of d.-day western leaders and russia's president met in france after weeks of tension over the crisis in ukraine the latest on that commemoration later in the show.
hello everybody it's friday june sixth five pm in washington d.c. islands in france you're watching our team america. the week has been filled with inflamed rhetoric on the heels of the u.s. exchange of its last prisoner of war in afghanistan sergeant bowe bergdahl for the release of five guantanamo bay detainees bergdahl was captured in two thousand and nine after he disappeared from a small base in the country accusations of desertion have been rife in the five years since his disappearance and now his release is met with anger on behalf of the people in uniform who died over the years were reportedly trying to track down bergdahl and trying to capture the five taliban detainees who have now been released to qatar according to the deal facing massive criticism for the decision to trade president obama had this to say about the swap. we have a basic principle we do not leave. anybody wearing the american uniform behind.
we had a prisoner of war. whose health had deteriorated. and we were deeply concerned about and we saw an opportunity and we seized it and i make no apologies for that the rhetoric we are hearing from politicians is obviously heated take a listen how many soldiers lost their lives to capture those five taliban terrorists that we just released i wish they would have died in jail and they will go back to the fight and they will try to kill americans that is a lousy deal that these people will let go for a political reasons you know ambassador rice basically said to you yes u.s. policy has changed now we make deals with with terrorists the likelihood of an american citizen being kidnapped in the future by a terrorist organization and a lot of this decision goes through the roof to discuss how the political response to this prisoner exchange could affect the release of other guantanamo detainees i
was talking earlier by human rights attorney david remes i started by asking him if he thought it would still be possible for the obama administration to push for the closure of guantanamo after this uproar i believe that this is one of those disturbances that will. pass just like other disturbances in the past and past the administration has made clear that it's determined flows one time of day and that it will continue to release detainees this is a very singular situation i think that it's not going to be repeated but it shows that president obama is willing to muscle through while releases and i hope that you will continue to. well the obama administration says it disregarded the statute requiring a thirty day notice to congress because it fair to leak and and that bergdahl is life was in danger now lindsey graham from the clip you just heard earlier said the detainees were let go for political reasons what do you think about that i do think
they were released for political reasons they were obviously released in order for the taliban to be satisfied to be returned sergeant bowe bergdahl that's a that's political in nature it's political nature when stude two sides exchange prisoners of war that's it back to believe what the taliban were and it's what. we're down to the early ones now it's still unclear the exact agreement the u.s. made with the qatar government we all know that we know as a matter of fact about the deal is that the men are not under lockdown in the country they have relative freedom of movement there under a one year travel ban some are concerned about the security assurances made by the qatari government are these concerns justified i don't know how the monitoring is going to work obviously the representations by the charm government were satisfactory to the united states and can second guess that accusing the united
states they were range mintz that will prevent these men from returning to the field so to speak well of course we would all like plenty more details on the terms of the the agreement now let's talk about the end game here how could could be. would it be studying how and what happens with these detainees after their release to be a test for the obama administration on the religious the risk of releasing more of them. well everybody knows that there is no zero risk when you release a guantanamo detainee on the other hand the magnitude of the risk has been great great relief that you're a bit pretty sure that the risk here. at a minimum is the risks but they will. continue to play roles in the taliban government beyond that i can't say what they're going to do and i can't say what
the united states is doing to prevent them from harming our national security. the administration denies that these five were the worst of the worst here's what marie harf a spokesperson for the state department said just yesterday and let these we're not good guys i am in no way defending these men but being you know leave mid to high level officials and a regime that grotesque and horrific also doesn't mean they themselves directly pose a threat to the united states. they weren't approved for release they remain dozens who have been cleared but considering the outcry we've seen here in the recent days how the government ever agree on where to send these guys how is obama supposed to get his promise to close gitmo through well i'd like to back up in two ways i'd like to say the worst of the worst is a real propaganda phrase that secretary rumsfeld vice president cheney and president bush put out there at the time they want part of this pre-dated there's
been a walk back from that kind of rhetoric ever since these men there's always some risk that they will engage in bad acts when they get out but i just don't accept the premise of the worst of the worlds so that's the first point the second point you raised the issue of the up or over the trade as i think i said before i think the up or will we will subside i think the war isn't directly part of. it's designed to undermine president obama there were publicans block to it for that purpose they are still buying for sergeant bergdahl for that reason they're emphasizing the notice issue for that reason what it bottom what they're really opposed to is flows in guantanamo and they're using its aid as part of their weapons to do that. ok final final question here do you think this exchange release
tactic could be used in the future to begin to whittle away at the one hundred forty nine days remaining and get more could we see more exchanges like this well i don't know who there is to exchange i just am hoping that president obama will continue at least some of the change is will really be for him had an accelerated rate find a way to solve the problem of where to send the yemenis and he'll do so despite the political opposition that he faces because it's the right thing to do and it's something he's committed himself to do all right that was human rights attorney david remes thank you very much well but of the world's second largest mobile phone company has prompted protests after government wiretapping on a massive scale has revealed the company operates across numerous borders and can't always protect its users from the rights certain governments maintain to snooping to citizens calls texts and emails such as america david reports. over the past
year there have been explosive revelations about the way in which the national security agency has been tapping into the e-mail and phone communications of millions of users and fact it's a captivated us over the last year but today the plot thickens because now we're learning that the u.s. is far from the only government to go willy nilly and surveilling our communications case in point vodafone the company has just revealed the existence of secret wires that allow government agencies around the world to listen to all conversations on its networks vodafone doesn't operate within the u.s. but with just about four hundred and twenty million subscribers and twenty nine different countries it's the world's second largest mobile company so how does this work well the company says wires are connected directly between its network and the host government allowing the government spy agency to easily listen to live conversations and even keep tabs on the location of customers now most of the
twenty nine countries that vodafone operates and need a warrant to intercept communications at which point they can access those wires on a case by case basis however the company has revealed that in about six and identified countries authorities have a direct permanent link to user communications without the need of a warrant whatsoever vodafone can't name those six governments because the countries have laws prohibiting disclosure of surveillance methods to data corporation published its first ever transparency report where wrote our customers have a right to privacy which is enshrined in international human rights law and standards respecting that right is one of our biggest priorities however in every country which we operate we have to abide by the laws of those countries which require us to disclose information about our customers so long for some agencies or other government authorities the company says balancing the two has been quite a dilemma and that's why it's finally decided to break its silence with. this report which is the most extensive and comprehensive survey on how governments
monitor the conversations of their citizens now about a phone is calling out the countries that don't require a warrant the group privacy officer is that without an official warrant there is no external visibility the fact that a government have to issue a piece of paper is an important constraint on how powered are used but whether those countries feel the pressure they need that call the reform remains to be seen in washington i mean david r t and while vodafone has exposed foreign governments nicky's surveillance germany has blown its own cover on it spying stations that's right in an attempt to create a more transparent spy program today it acknowledges that six facilities around the country are in fact spy stations but amateur sleuths long suspected the true identity of the sites that the federal intelligence service or b.m.d. denied it the agency officially attached its logo to one site's entrances at a ceremony friday with the be endued chief even posing for photographers the agency
has sought a bit of rebranding following edward snowden's revelations about the n.s.a. insisting it follows the law and doesn't conduct unwarranted mass surveillance. early this week we learned that the los angeles police department obtained two surveillance drones from the seattle police department at no cost the acquisition sparks concerns from l.a. residents and privacy activists on how exactly the l.a.p.d. might implement the drones into their law enforcement tactics in a news conference on thursday los angeles police chief charlie beck spoke to these concerns we deal in public confidence here that's what makes is a great police department and if we don't have the public's confidence in our use of these systems they won't be used on the other side of the coin no. this is has the potential to be a valuable tool particularly tackle situations so we don't want to let that go. unexamined and we will examine that but we do it very publicly. chief beck also
laid out the department's potential uses for the drones stating they could be used in police standoffs perimeters suspects hiding or interested in all of those applications he said the american civil liberties union of southern california applauds the l.a.p.d. for being transparent about the acquisition however executive director hector. questions whether the marginal benefits to swat team operations justify the serious threat to privacy an l.a.p.d. drone program could pose defended the acquisition saying if private citizens and businesses are already using drones why shouldn't the l.a.p.d. but the department is in no rush to put them to use it must get permission from the federal aviation administration before using the aircraft and it says that application process is only in the very preliminary stages. so ahead here on our teeth celebrations throughout the world for the d.-day anniversary in france world leaders and the russian president gather after weeks of tensions over ukraine the
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ceremonies commemorating d.-day in france are underway and the political chill amongst world leaders was lifted the day after months of antagonism over the unrest in ukraine western leaders and russian president vladimir putin finally met face to face as they gathered to mark the anniversary sparking hopes that a saw may be coming arches were in a cluster of a is there for us. before during and after all the ceremonies were over and. the matter reminded everyone that the solution lies in the hands of those calling for federalized he also said that every major perec rosette for any. seizing its military operation in the east of the country let's listen in. particular units of military operation in the southeast must cease immediately it is the only way to create the conditions
necessary. you have to understand no one has told the anti-government activists anything they still have no idea what sort of life to expect in ukraine now a similar idea was also supported by u.s. president barack obama who also. acknowledged each other's existence and organizers. of the situation. because it's hardly a secret that there's been some tension between the two to say the least. number six. between the two and you. know that's another one that no one saw. for about fifteen minutes in fact his presence was a surprise to many experts who believe that this is the. all the world leaders as i said. and they both agree that the bloodshed in the east of the
country even though there was lots of speculation that world leaders would be ignoring. the opposite happening. why awards with veterans it was an arab. performance for happened seventy years ago but i have to say the queen of england. stole the show in the she appeared there were lots of applause people were cheering and every time she appeared on this massive screen the people would do exactly deciding factor and that's cool we saw a lot of repeats in. german chancellor and we saw them doing that quite a lot aside from the their scheduled meeting which took place earlier on in the day so in general we saw the mood go from slightly frosty slightly warm or so more cheerful and in the end emotional just like of the politics behind the scenes and even though as i said we've seen the progress of being made that doesn't change the
fact that at the end of the day the essence of the problem east and not seeing eye to eye that doesn't change because they still cancer gree. fault and who's to blame that was our to. the city of slavyansk in eastern ukraine has been under attack for days now with strikes on government buildings and even hospitals tens of thousands of locals have fled across the border. reports now on what refugees are facing. when the bombs come people feeling but what about those who can't they're hopeless to disport the six month old baby cannot breathe without a respirator for days it was too dangerous for the ambulances to come and get him. and from year on as far as i know doctors with the specialized ambulance from the regional center could not get here because of the shooting our son was dragged here and we could not move him to safety jamiel was one of the last to be evacuated from
the children's hospital in slavyansk and not a minute too soon when the bombs fell and other children were taken to the cellar he had to stay in intensive care unit where most of the covered him with mattresses to protect him from falling debris have been a material thing i have to explain all the time that it's war here you need to be here to understand what's going on. jenny is now safe in a russian hospital nearly half of the people in seventy answered have been evacuated according to local authorities but the journey out is also fought with danger difficult roads aerial bombings and artillery fire in a scene that's being repeated in cities across eastern ukraine there are three ways out train bus and car in a race against time normal people are becoming desperate and for most it doesn't matter how they get out just to go through only because leaving with her two year old son mom sister and niece she's packing summer and winter clothes as she doesn't
know how long they'll be gone but then why don't we planes are flying overhead my charges varies gad the sound of the blasts a very loud who wants to leave or not come back until it calms down more afraid that a real nightmare could be unleashed here a lot of people and children could die but the fear is growing by the hour at the front door the suitcases are packed and ready for running because family names are on the waiting list and as soon as the next evacuation is cleared they'll be on their way that was. last this is called government in kiev said they will wipe eastern provinces from the face of the us they consider us terrorists but we're just civilians for monica's waiting for a call from this man valerie could new york of he's managing the evacuation from here a classroom given to him by the people's republic of a gun school a month ago valerie wanted to send his daughter and grandson out of the country but when he searched online he found many parents in the same situation but no one
doing anything he says evacuated some two hundred people but we have got i'm ready to move everyone to safety who needs it men women and children everyone. in the few minutes valerie speaks with us he has twenty one missed calls on his cell phone parents terrified of what the future holds but even more afraid to stay around and find out paula sphere r t lugansk eastern ukraine. the u.s. is hoping to increase its export of energy supplies by increasing the fracking of natural gas but some experts are warning that the fracking bill could be more of a bust are just more important aisle looks at how this could hurt america's energy expansion plans. the curse is in ukraine as open the door of opportunity for the u.s. to export its most contentious and environmentally questionable energy extracting technique during president obama's first bilateral meeting with his ukrainian elected counterpart the us leader motivated. to develop domestic resources of
natural gas one option u.s. officials have repeatedly encouraged how they can pay for is hydro fracking exploration for sale gas we discussed issues of energy making sure that ukraine becomes. more energy efficient economy but also one that is less dependent solely on energy sources. from russia president obama has also advised europe which gets thirty percent of its gas from russia to consider imports of natural gas from the u.s. only problem is america may have nothing to offer several recent studies conclude that the u.s. is highly hyped up towards energy independence has been rowsley over estimated at birds say that that's how did technological advances like fracking in the horizontal drilling have created a shale bubble rather than a revolution we found that the forecast for future productivity that are being
bandied about by government as well as industry are probably highly overflown that we're likely to see a decline in production of u.s. natural gas and oil starting within the next couple of years you right now most u.s. shale gas producers are actually losing money on production and they are able to stay in business by borrowing lots of money and by selling off drilling these companies the u.s. is pitching shale gas as. eyes across the atlantic an export that may turn out to be an expensive problem or broken promise you know port ny artsy new york. and before we go don't forget to tune in at nine pm for larry king now tonight's guest is actor will we today here's a snippet of what's to come you call yourself a geek what is a geek being a geek is not about what you love it's about the way that you love it there's
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is a story about how we should all have mayors as. in twenty twelve new jersey police detective camille cruz was fired from the by led police department to misleading a superior court judge in order to obtain a search warrant according to the prosecutor in the case crucially lying to the judge about a confidential informant supposedly he was concerned about the safety of his informant but he really wanted to get that search warrant so that's why he lied under oath as a result thirty nine criminal cases were dismissed from the county prosecutor's office because detective prove his would have been required to swear under oath and those pieces to and at this point were just kind of mud prosecutors couldn't very well would lie on his testimony and other cases when it was now known that the guy had no problem lying under oath so because this guy lied
a lot of people who were about to go to court and drug and weapons charges were able to now just walk away free now of course lots of news stories went around the case because everyone was outraged about the lying cop so then detective cruz was subsequently fired under the watch of mayor robert romano and everyone thought justice had been served case closed right except now by months that he has a new mayor reuben permuted and guess what he's a long time friend of x. detective crews it according to the city council vice president since some time has passed and detective cruz is a lying ways have been out of the spotlight for a while mayor bermuda's decided to quietly issue and or. dropping all charges against his friend he only knows of the mayor has the legal authority to even issue such an order but he did it anyway what's more the mayor's order could even allow detective crews to now return to the police for the former mayor is amazed that the
new mayor is getting involved like this and was quoted as saying they're actually going to have to make a position for him to sit at a desk and do nothing and that's because even if detective cruz does return to work he can't ever testify again which makes for a pretty impotent detective members of the city council are amazed to say that the whole thing just smacks of favorites to which i say no which is why we should all have mayors as. they can just write up orders for us anytime they want and apparently they can do it whether they have legal grounds to do so or not this doesn't just smack of favoritism it is favoritism plain and simple or as i like to call it par for the course in our legal system tonight let's talk about that by following me on twitter at the resident.
and welcome to cross talk where all things are considered on peter lavelle battlefield ukraine as the care of regime continues its deadly assault on citizens in the east washington appears more than pleased to return to the days of the cold war a nato official them is in a state of relations and again russia is the target. to cross out the crisis in ukraine i'm joined by my guest patrick smith the new york he is a foreign affairs columnist author and former foreign correspondent in washington we have daniel ferrazzi he is director of grassroots political consulting and in berlin we cross to patrick young he is an author and active investor in eastern europe right gentlemen cross-talk rules in fact that means you can jump in anytime you want and i very much encourage patrick in new york it seems to be a correlation going on here the more the regime in care of assaults people in the east of the country and its deadly force now in the body count is increasing the
more we have the white house and nato official them charging you know that russia must be stopped that you know it's all pointing at russia but he don't never say what the king of regime is doing to its own people. well i think you what we're seeing in the last little while peter is is a really remarkable sense of determination to go forward. in the face of declining odds ok the story the narrative conveyed over here in our media is the quotation marks putin flinched etc etc well you know we tell ourselves these things but it does nothing to do with what's going on on the ground we have a we have a bigger and bigger mess and washington is determined i think in this way correctly they're either going to go forward or they're going to step back and the determination is is to go forward with this no matter what the consequences or
illegally it outlook that's a decision that is really really depressing to hear that from you daniel if i can go to you also in washington here this is what it gets down to and i would have to agree with patrick a in new york to some extent here is that they had a plan they wanted all of ukraine ukraine was the prize it just didn't work out that way and now they're having to have to deal with the consequences on an ad hoc basis and just throwing money and guns seems to be this white house is only approach to foreign policy. yeah that the approach to foreign policy from this administration is convoluted inconsistent incoherent when it comes to anything if you take syria libya geneva two the current situation with even the get most detainees but you krane picture has been laughable at best from the onset of this we have a fundamental misunderstanding from along with many members of congress as well that russia is in the one nine hundred sixty s. era and just because we actually have to respect them as an economic financial and
political partner across the globe and we could be very financially beneficial relationship being able to partner on several different fronts including syria iran and south america but instead of doing that we're clearly focused on bringing this back to a sixty's mentality trying to set up a proxy war in order to diminish the russian prowess across the world not negotiate cooperate work together and at the same time try to set up a proxy war not just to help our economy but i believe to set up a future natural resource battle up in the arctic region so we have a lot of underlying intent here but the basis of it all is there's just such a fundamental lack of understanding of who we're dealing with and who the russians really are in a post soviet era many decades removed and the collusion of the press members of
congress to this president that's foreign policy is all over the map you know just for their indicates that you know patrick in berlin and president obama when he was visiting. he said that he warned to moscow against what he calls dark tactics in ukraine but most americans because of the echo chamber is utterly unaware that the united states and its allies committed a coup a violent coup on the night of february twenty first and so dark tactics i mean this is very orwellian i keep using the word orwellian over the last few weeks and months because that's the only term that explains all of this i will keep on using it patrick in berlin how do you react. look it's absolutely surreal i mean there was a movie made some years ago called wag the dog where there was a kind of fictional conflict created by the white house and unfortunately that's very much hide this looks i mean we all know that in the my down they wheeled out all of the old geriatrics from the regime like john mccain and they brought them
together to rant and rave about freedom and the wonder of it what it could do to ukraine but ukraine was already a democracy what were they talking about they offered money they offered everything i think even when it came to dark tactics what an earth we can possibly manage to say it seems surreal given the fact that on one side of his mouth you know president obama saying well of course we've got this n.s.a. think they're a little bit out of control but i'm going to read in the mail on the other hand russia is perfect you know perfectly evil i think what daniel said is absolutely right though the problem we have here is that mr obama very much mobile some cell from the camelot of j.f.k. the problem is he's using the foreign policy playbook of one nine hundred sixty one and of course that dates back to khrushchev to a completely different era under the entirely different russia you know patrick really what the problem is here is that. they want to jump in here but you know victoria nuland had a plan and it's in tatters and this is why this white house in is so furious right
now and then you have these. nato countries we just before we started record this program slovakia and the czech republic say they don't want any foreign troops on their soil they're not even speaking from the same hymn page go ahead patrick in new york. thank you. a couple of points drawing from a position of as near as i can to objectivity i hold a candle for neither side ok. i can't see that it's or you will in the face of all these charges of russian aggression. i cannot see it's arguable that putin has behaved well with with restraint and actually rather cleverly the day he announced he would. take up talks with the new government in kiev i thought you know the the western powers were pushing and pushing and in search of resistance and president putin turned around and trumped that we said ok well let's
do this let's honor the election in talk it's left the western position much much adrift i think and you know if that's to correct. yeah you're absolutely right daniel this is one of the things that's really quite remarkable here is that you know what was true in media doesn't report how russians feel about this and you know what lot of russians are very anxious because their families you know relatives in the east of ukraine are dying right now and what do we hear from the mccain he actually want to arm these people in kiev they're not even in elected government you know and the powers of this elected president elect is very very dubious we really don't know what kind of power basically has and what kind of political powers he can apply he can go to normandy and shake hands but i don't know if he can do much more well and there is that fundamental lack of understanding that i pointed out already but you can see our underlying in ten all
that is clearly destabilization of ukraine for president putin did this with syria and deescalate the situation as well to where we still are trying to or and inflame the tensions ukraine same thing illegitimate government that we spurned to put into place there's violence everywhere and it's amazing how president putin even gave that concession to speak with this government after there still was a war torn region on the pro russian side that was in the middle of getting shot at to well the polls were open and you know to further show how manipulated this election was so we have the and ten we have no clue what we're doing we have the intent of destabilization and the funniest part of it all is we don't have the money and president putin knows that this entire time that's ways try to keep the dialogue going but we've offered what a billion dollars in aid and they need one hundred forty two to meet current obligations this year in ukraine it's laughable at best and. then again i
mean anything underlying it we say with daniel because i do use mentioning some numbers here which i think is really interesting is that yes one billion dollars in loan guarantees loads not free money loans. and of dollars for nato ok i mean it's really kind of interesting here here's a country that's economically crashing and the equal amount of just alone and then throwing money at the military industrial complex and a few people in poland shows what's really on their mind there. patrick and berlin you want to jump in there. oh absolutely i mean i think daniel's heading the nail on the head though because the whole economics of this affair have been entirely incontinent and in fact you know this is the really weird thing and this is the thing totally totally frustrates me here because let's face it i do not hold accountable for either side here i am not partisan the united states of america is the greatest economy we have ever seen in history it's been built on incredible
management excellence but indeed as patrick in new york and daniel have been inferring why on earth has the american government got no management skill whatsoever victoria nuland is an incompetent the president is utterly incapable of running the country that's the tragedy we're looking at here and i think it's really really ghastly because the per people of ukraine it has been planned for many years they've been trying to go see it five six years a solution with the i.m.f. the e.u. was trying to bully them into a free trade agreement america came in and tried to bully them and offered indeed a billion dollars i mean what was this was this dr evil and mike myers felt i mean it was ludicrous altogether what we were looking at in this situation ultimately one hundred forty two million billion only starts to scrape the bottom of trying to get ukraine onto a reasonable track i mean the terrible problem we have is that twenty years on after democracy more than not ukraine is on the verge of being a failed state because it didn't make the reforms that countries that are its
neighbors whether it be poland or whether it be russia made in order to transfer themselves and transform themselves into working official capitalist democracies ok gentlemen i'm going to jump in here we're going to go to a short break and after that short break we'll continue our discussion on ukraine state with r.t. . you like me if you want your comedy news with some tea plenty of comedy news to be a bare fisted no holds barred fight to the dad. but the truth vampire plotting into the next in the corporate elite in a billionaire freaks while they're going. well that's what you get with my new show project of the night.
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remind you we're discussing the ongoing crisis in ukraine. patrick i want to go back to you in new york in broad strokes in your mind what's drives this because there's so many different layers here we have nato expansion we have asset stripping we have any. state department that it is just has to go after putin and russia because of what happened in syria because putin saved the day saved obama from going to war in another arab country but what in your mind what is driving this if you would if i would ask you in a hierarchy what's the number one thing or is it just autopilot well there is some autopilot in it actually i hadn't used the term i think it's a determination to i think it's a larger than nato ok i think nato is essentially an instrument and a means to an end i think the end is the extension of the neo liberal order.
with that in mind i want to go to two points. daniel made one. there is a skills deficit in washington for one perfectly ordinary reason washington has never had to cultivate id boutros ghali made this point years ago diplomacy is for weak nations and strong have no need of it. on the other point washington's problem is. you can as well as far as i was just thinking of this is warning you you can you cannot fire bullets dense economic ties language culture or history if you fire them you end up hating people but you do nothing to change the circumstances and just do it that's the problem and they're there they cannot win on this point. so no diplomatic pass of the and.
just doomed to failure on the world terry and strategic side daniel if i go to you in washington it's interesting when patrick says because they the word autopilot does come to mind to me because this is what they do they don't you don't negotiate with anyone i mean from the very very beginning and patrick in berlin mentioned it you know when i was in dire economic straits russia stepped up to the plate and provided fifteen billion dollars and this is a very important country to russia its neighbor millions of russians and russian speakers are there there's a very strong interest there but you know washington doesn't think that way you know i guess what it wants to me is like a hammer and when you have a big hammer in your hand you look for nails right and it was so clear of what to do here in the first place though if as you pointed out the payback for syria the autopilot and setting up future conflicts over natural resources i mean what we should be doing right now in this economic woe besides our domestic picture is
working trading with our partners here in the region expanding keystone pipeline our natural resources here and making us even stronger economically and went to russia after the great strides we made between actually president bush and putin when in past work together all we needed to do was enable an understanding about crimea which would have equated skipping san diego to mexico if we really understood it and brought it down to layman's terms and let that be what it may and we're. to bridge the east and the west to negotiate on ukraine on a sustainable economic path for the future and it shifts it's mind boggling how frustrating this is and if you ask the average man on the street even point out where ukraine is on the map they would probably not even know but you know the sixty's mentality is there but for the millennial zf or generation x. for all these other generations in this country their tax dollars going to set up
and create further conflict with russia is infuriating to the average joe here so there's a debt that's a huge point there's a disconnect on foreign policy with this president even amongst the collusion of the media lack of understanding of a lot of congress and the president there's a huge disconnect here patrick in new york you want to jump in there go ahead but i was just going to say to daniel victims of distant from asia we have. we have an environment here where very very very few people have any grasp of what is going on over there there was a pew poll just recently get this. a direct correlation between the proportion of people who cannot find ukraine on a map here and the proportion of people who think we should intervene that's where we have taken ourselves patrick that one of the things that i find very very disturbing is that we have so many people including the president which i you know
listen to his speeches in the last couple of weeks he seems basically clueless and what his administration is doing in ukraine because it's simply not going to work one half of ukraine cannot rule over the other and vice versa and this is a political reality that people like victoria nuland this cannot seem to grasp because everyone will lose in ukraine it will become a failed state in the center of europe and i'd like to point out run by a lot of nazis which is not reported again in western media. it's an incredible situation all together i think the problem of course here is that we are looking at a kind of situation where everybody who enjoys a particular lifestyle they always think the rest of the world is somewhat similar to them and manner and so on i think it's incredible you look at previous american incursions i mean good grief america invaded grenada what to see if like three of three dozen american pensioners at some point in time twenty five thirty years ago
and at this point you've got to ukraine which is an incredible ethnic melting pot but isn't a huge problem actually of all foreign policy related to this region because with the exception of the modern day borders of say poland in the modern day borders of germany actually the whole of the new europe the way through russia is a melting pot there is no single homogeneous nation and ironically you'd think that the rainbow nation of the united states of america could reach it but the difficulty is that it is a situation the playbook is in play no one wants to think of the box because the government just isn't capable and it's ultimately a dominant document of the government system you know daniel and in washington it's really quite interesting the ukrainian president elect he said right before the polls closed on may twenty fifth is that he would go to to meet these people in the east somehow i have the feeling that somebody in the white house gave him a call and said no no no you're not going to the east you're coming to the west and
we have some orders for you to fulfill and that's exactly what it looks like because obama said when he met him you're a good selection i just had to think that was a freudian slip selection yes indeed he was selected yeah and to patrick's earlier point the playbooks in play and we haven't been able to alter that whatsoever this entire time and it is depressing to watch because it just feeds into the failed leadership we've had in this country for this entire presidency on foreign policy there's not been a consistent or coherent move the entire time and unfortunately you do have. those hawks like mccain lindsey graham all the rest who are feeding the beast and not making this any better and it's a very depressing teevan watched real coverage like this network provides compared to most of the media on what's actually happening on the ground i had the pleasure of living many years back in odessa for a few months actually and to see what happened and the government building and just
the level of violence and the logging on the twitter pages from the neo nazi factions i mean it was disgusting and depressing to watch that unfold but you were right we're so far down this road there is no turning back the destabilization plan is in effect and i have yet to see any move i mean even right now the speeches that were just seemed from the g seven of us pushing for further sanctions now from violence happening from the other side and the european most of the leaders backing away from that but you know and this is the president that accused president bush the former president of going it alone and how that would never happen again well. you know we're right back down that road deja vu all over again patrick in new york is is the american foreign policy establishment let me ask the question real quick here if you are they so explain right now to we have branded russia as the new enemy of the old enemy and now the new enemy again because this is extremely
dangerous as daniel said you know when you go down this path it's difficult to reverse yourself and i think we've gone beyond the tipping point that's really quite tragic for the international environment. two things peter one russia has been the enemy the other since the eight hundred forty s. ok let's not forget that the cold war was an interim in a way a longer story point to our right my columns with this in mind this coup is not going to succeed i think in conversations like this we need to keep that low and it will not go. ultimately the question is the size of the mass daniel if i go to you in washington very good point and i've gotten a lot of criticism on my facebook page for saying it but i tend to agree this regime in care of will burn itself out a lot of people will go down with it but it's not sustainable you cannot have a neo nazi anti-semitic anti everything regime in the center of europe it will be
exposed for what it is the american media will have a very sobering moment hopefully sooner than later yeah and i don't believe many people on the ground after living in that environment and all the rest are for this regime either and more ecumenical country is patrick in berlin had stated you know the melting pot that it is over there that exists. and economically there's only so much collapse that the broad general public is going to be able to sustain so on top of the future gas shipments to europe come next winter so i don't believe this will sustain itself the problem is what is the exit strategy of do bombing administration because we're going to have to have one and we're going to have to figure out had a partner because this is unsustainable path for us and a very as you pointed out dangerous one for many decades to come if we do not figure this out real quickly patrick in berlin twenty seconds last word well said.
situation in american literature there's a fabulous play it's cold up our time by thornton wilder it's about parochialism life love looking outside your narrow little box famous quotation that's the happy existence you wanted to go back to ignorance on blindness ok i'm not going to wow ok really thanks to my guest the new york washington and in berlin and thanks to our viewers for watching us here in our d.c. you next time and remember. these were. is a. greatest nations emphasize with palestinians putting millions into helping the provisional.
engaging for a bright future of freedom of. the political will of the battle to bend the promises once but any call. for. to do good deeds to i we welcome aaron nathan abby martin to two of the posts on the r t network. it's going to give you a different perspective give me one stock never i'll give you the information you make the decision to me about how breaking the work of the mind it's rubbish ideas and consciousness and frustrated with the system it's very very public truths would be described as angry i think in a strong. or single. time that.
happy friday folks i'm abby martin and this is a break in the sect so if you're a local washingtonian you know that k. street is synonymous with lobbyists the street is traditionally been home to the top lobbying firms in the city and earlier this week the sycophantic scavengers that make up the street got some new like minded neighbors to actual vultures have been at the corner of k. eleven their home for the summer and word on the street is that they're being heavily recruited by top firms such as patton boggs and the pedestrian group c. voters of all the skills you need to be a successful lobbyist in this town their district they're described as the garbage man of nature and use their sense of smell to slightly track the cain carcasses to its source when it comes to lobbyists sneakiness is done better than anyone else if
you look at the official number of lobbyists from last year according to open secrets you'll notice that the amount registered with the government is actually dropped for three consecutive years but it's not because there's less of them thanks to enormous loopholes in lobbying registration laws and reality and there are thousands upon thousands of on registered lobbyists take a listen to what we found journalist for the nation had to say when he came on the show a couple months ago. the real figure on how many lobbyists are and you see that are actually attempting to influence policy it's closer to a hundred thousand not twelve thousand and it experts say of the amount spent is not three billion but closer to maybe six nine or even ten billion. so a big welcome to k. street's newest residents they should feel right at home and let's break the set.
please. please. please very hard to take kindly. to. that act with the earthquake there. please. please. please. please. please. it seems that the only stories worthy of coverage by the m.s.m. are the ones with graphic or violent images riots shootings flag burning police clashes and regardless of the motives our tension is fixated on brutality so why is
the same true for nonviolent resistance well this is the question posed by the next gust documentary filmmaker julia for the last decade she's explored the power of nonviolent movements and stuff specifically excuse me how the world's attention can determine the failure or success of these movements now while her work is focused primarily on the israeli palestinian conflict her research can be applied to peaceful resistance anywhere in the world or to talk more about the need to pay more attention to nonviolent movements i'm joined now by filmmaker and activist giulia baggio thank you so much for coming on julia thanks for having me abbi so you did a case study and produced a film about a palestinian town called birds rose what happened in this town and how did it prompt your later work. buddhists. is a palestinian village in the west bank that about ten years ago launched a peaceful resistance campaign to save their village from destruction by israel's separation barrier what they did there was that they joined together with israeli
activists and with women on the front line they adopted very classic civil disobedience strategies of direct action such as putting their bodies in front of bhutto's to prevent the uprooting of the olive trees in order to build the roots of the wall and after ten months of protests in which many people were arrested deported and lost their freedom by paying put in prison for very lengthy periods of times they actually won the battle and they saved their entire village the route of the separation barrier removed from going through their village and confiscating forty percent of their land to going into the green line which is the internationally recognized border between israel and palestine. you point to a divide between what's happening on the ground and perceptions abroad as being one of the key reasons a peaceful resistance movement has been unsuccessful how will stein why does this
divide exist. nonviolent resistance movements are have a very symbiotic relationship with international attention particularly with press coverage when press coverage happens you empowered the people on the ground to tell their communities that that message of resistance can have an impact in gather of public attention to your cause when the press internationally only covers violence and violent actors you're sending a very clear message that if you use civil disobedience our cause will not be on the front pages our cause will not create the public's fear and conversations that we need to address our plight and we've seen that over and over in different movements. when you look at to actually destroy a goal that gandhi launched in india one of the first things that gandhi did it's not very well known but upon arriving from south africa to india he stablished to
newspapers and he did that because he knew that without coverage of actions like the salt march it would be very difficult for his actions to have the impact that eventually did on freeing india from british occupation the civil rights movement in the united states is another example the leaders of that movement in the south were very careful to stage and train the leaders of the movement on the ground activists who were doing things like the montgomery boy bus boycott to stage those as pieces for media coverage they were very well planned they were crafted people trained very actively beforehand and they actually cast they went through a casting process who are the best individuals to be. arrested because they refuse to go to the back of the bus and insist on sitting on the front all of that was very much peter put for the benefit of the media to
come and cover so that there is a conversation around the issues at stake and it's almost like a self-fulfilling prophecy when you when you have what you call functional behavior what psychologists call functional behavior when that kind of behavior is rewarded when it's more violent in terms of media coverage joy it looks look at the reality on the ground right now in palestine i mean it is this horrific video that came out recently with two armed palestinian boys basically gunned down by i.d.f. soldiers for just being at a protest and israel just approved hundreds of new settlements in occupied territory i mean is it healthy to be ignoring these developments in the content of the israeli government when assessing the success of nonviolent movements there. there is no question that those stories they need to be covered you need to be talking about them unfortunately what has had. and is a general fatigue around. palestinian conflict people in the united states in particular don't want to hear about it anymore so very often the press ignores
those stories because they don't believe they're going to it's good business model to actually be covering. stories constantly and the sort of repetition of them causes a sense of i've seen this already and what's new about it and so that's why a lot of the work that i've been doing with my team just vision the nonprofit organization that produced is looking at the stories of people who are actively trying to address exactly discussing the violence the violence against palestinians being shot because they're participating protests the structural violence of the continuation of tenders being sued for more buildings territories including in east jerusalem that is constantly couper to people underground who are actively thinking through creative ways to change the dynamic and why are we paying attention to download the good times you have the right no
yeah yeah let's talk about those those nonviolent movements going on right now in palestine in israel and how people can get involved. exactly so there's people in villages across the west bank there are neighborhoods in east jerusalem like. there are activists who work on the legal framework to try to help dispy people who are being arrested because they're using nonviolent mechanisms there are prisoners in hunger strike using this most classic of nonviolent resistance methods which is actually denying yourself nourishment because the situation you are under is not you can't stand it anymore and this is the ultimate shout for attention right when you go on a hunger strike. you are begging day international community to pay attention to what's happening to you inside the prison systems and what these people are very often protesting many of them something called administrative detention and
minister detention is the process whereby these really government can arrest people in incremental periods of six months without ever charging them and never bringing them to trial under any under any accusation and their spiritual who've been there for over and over six months of these periods of the tension and whose families have been waiting for any charges to even be brought about them now hunger strikes there you have it right huge nonviolent movement that has audit caly reemerged in the context of palestinian prisoners and so little attention and coverage in the media play to it and i think we need to be asking the questions of why that is and getting access to prisons right how can we tell those story no way where journalists feel like this is a story worth covering absolutely and thank you so much for shedding light on that
people are sacrificing themselves for the attention we need to give it to them thank you so much joy of filmmaker social activists really appreciate coming on. thanks for having me. in times of war governments of stork recruited codes to keep communications secret during world war two at a time when the u.s. couldn't keep its codes away from the german and japanese militaries twenty nine men enlisted in the u.s. army to devise a completely new strategy they became known as the code talkers a platoon of navajo native americans who use their spoken language called dine to create an alphabet and an unbreakable code for the allied forces and just this one . week chester nez the very last of the code talkers passed away at the age of ninety three in albuquerque new mexico today the navajo make up the largest native american tribe in the us yet they're complex
a language which has no written alphabet is in danger of extinction but dinah's far from the only language that's rapidly disappearing from the planet in fact according to david harrison director of the living tongues institute for endangered languages one of the world's seven thousand distinct languages disappears every fourteen days an extinction rate exceeding that of birds mammals or plants furthermore at least twenty percent of the world's languages are in imminent danger of becoming extinct as their last speakers die off now this phenomenon is by no means confined to a certain area of the world as you can see here everywhere from the west pacific northwest to central siberia to northern australia are facing the annihilation of the hundreds of languages unique to specific regions and cultures in fact national geographic estimates but by the year twenty one hundred more than half of the planet's current languages could disappear nowhere is this more apparent than with the story of a woman named by a serb boa lived off the coast of india on the andaman islands she was the last
known speaker of the language of bo one of the ten languages spoken there for thousands of years that a man people lived in isolation from the rest of the world in the eight hundred fifty s. of the british made landfall and began colonization this resulted in a mass reduction of the native population and today only about fifty indigenous people still live there in the vast majority speak a pigeon dialect of hindi and when both passed away at the age of eighty five in two thousand and ten a language thousands of years or vanished and to be a bit along with a vitally important bridge to history. perhaps no endangered languages more important to understanding our past than aramaic the aramaic is the language of the bible brought her. it was spoken by everyone from jews to christians the height of the roman empire you could hear or make being spoken everywhere from the border of modern day china to the mediterranean but today this three thousand year old
language is on the verge of extinction and according to researchers at the smithsonian it could disappear within the next two generations the speakers of aramaic are now scattered primarily across the kurdish mountains of turkey iraq iran and syria and as an every day language americans pretty much only spoken in one place moldova syria just outside damascus now tragically the events of the syrian civil war of largely destroyed this town forcing the two thousand or so residents to flee for their putting the preservation of air america and serious jeopardy now thankfully there are organizations and individuals around the globe working to protect and document these languages before they disappear forever but it's nearly impossible to keep up with the speed of this mass extinction every time a language dies we lose a part of our global community and while it may seem that the internet is a lot an infinite and lasting database of the world's knowledge it's simply not the case ideas and concepts expressed in specific languages don't necessarily translate
into other languages and the study of ancient dialects specifically gives us further insight into universal communication and the development of the human brain . and every single lost connection to the past restricts our ability to learn from history in the future. coming up all future an exclusive performance an interview by i am one from dead prez stick around. for changing will submit it. to the list no reason for me to hand it ocracy you are going to issue that actually back to you doesn't do too much for ad revenue in my culture joy. i and it's on a seventy six year old american farmer based in india fallout do you think this is going to be a war of the cia do you think this is what's triggering a race america's the largest economy in the world it's also the largest debtor
nation in the history of the world breaking the set is mostly about alternatives to the status quo but one might give real alternatives to the points on the working poor the american dream the next they were just trying to survive it's time for americans and lawmakers are forced to wake up and start talking about the real causes a problem. dead prez is a group that has been in the rap game for almost two decades and you'd be hard pressed to find a hip hop duo that's more politically active. obama better known by his stage name and one clayton gavin aka stick man have toured all over the world in order to raise awareness about everything the president austral complex to gaza and now dead
prez in d.c. to speak about the cuban five five political prisoners who were thrown in the crosshairs of the u.s. as vendetta against a small island nation well earlier am one join me to break the stage and talk about why it's so important to use music as a way to inspire grassroots action against the powers that be so here he is performing sacrifice. all power to the people. yes freedom all. the way to kill sacrifice. to kill sacrifice their shoulder holster see the light. and receive the light. to look the same time to take the tops of the games remember the someone else said it is the flames they can remember things to keep the flame in this tight time in the blues every day began. with the cool open the door to the pundits when the playfield looks
a little but i see your point looked at you know what to do but maybe because they struck you but just remember to this now that you're going to strike back to the to say they did and they came to join and they tried to myself the things that the kids older brother was told he had a heart about to come with his name i think about trying so now we don't wish. it could you. could be used to walk with you did just not realize the time you tested me to kill me if he wanted you with. a fight yet. to kill sacrifice who shows no interest in the fight. and they say that like you know no right. take your sacrifice that you take you'll sacrifice you with. this is the life. this is the life experience. is so serious his purpose is. if you tell him. that this is the
reality it's not a test look. he was down with the he was sixteen when he picked this team it was me when i say sacrifice i don't mean. this is a patient is the best education. that's what they say speaks. to get the feet. the streets. let's give the duplicate. to the slaughter the next the things that keeps if we get back to the sun but back to the crown of my crown the colony of my philosophy that's what about the palestinians and the mexican. politicians saying is. to kill sacrifice because you don't know all this is the life right this is the life. they kill sacrifice for them all to kill sacrifice because
you don't know the side the life to which now yeah yeah yeah. and when you're in town to perform for the five cuban five what is it about these five that you're so passionate about well i think the question of political prisoners comes up and the secret that america holds the heroes and she roles that are buried and it's dungeons warehouse in this prison industrial complex you know these are people who have done valiant acts while community but who languish in prison who want to celebrate and celebrate it so what if you got five it's awesome because it also talks about the relationship this delicate relationship between the united states and cuba so it's very important issues it's been decades since the cold war yet cuba is one of four states that the u.s.
government has deemed a state sponsor of terrorism why socialism is has been a bad word in the ugly word in the political circles for years but the reality is there are some things that we can learn from you know this this government and you know it's important i mean i think especially in the crises of capitalism we have to dare to imagine what how can the system be better what system is better and i think cuba has done a fantastic example if you look in south america and its relationship with venezuela and in some places in europe we see some fantastic relationships so you wonder why the embargo or the sanctions against cuba are exacted by the united states let's talk more about political prisoners why do you think obama hasn't used his his clemency powers to grant amnesty to people like the mia. people like leonard peltier who are serving life terms not only them but i guess just anyone i think bush will pardon the way more people before that are sworn in in his presidency well i think in the case of media and people like many here you bring up
freedom fighters you know this is an oprah winfrey issue if i make. hard core issues they do with the belly of the beast of american society it's also. real liberation and what it means to have freedom in this country when you talk about mumia abu jamal especially as it relates to the police and the brutal terrorist acts that happened against our community we don't talk about those acts in the same way but they exactly the same in two thousand dead prez but at the police state the lyrics say f.b.i. spying on the radio antennas and then hidden cameras in the street like watching society with no respect for the people's right to privacy i mean hell this is before i don't have an answer i mean what are your thoughts now looking back at how insanely huge the national security state has gone i think we were clear about the america's agenda and much more things that they planned to make you fear however information is key especially political or political education the more we know the
more we able to say ok we saw it coming out for plan and we see other. plans and agendas that the united states has to continue to violate our rights so we can't be surprised by it as a matter of fact we have to be proactive we have to sort of networks to defend ourselves and defend our rights so anybody out here who's awake in two thousand and fourteen has to be on one side or the other it's forcing us to choose a side you know which is about being aware understand through the trajectory that you guys understood a long time ago that it's just going to get worse unless we stand up and fight and you also want to gaza a few years ago and then subsequently went on the speaking more called from the get go to gaza what prompted the trip initially and what message are you trying to relay with the tour ultimately the same kind of sanctions and embargoes that have been exactly against cuba and zimbabwe happened against gaza and you know we know the united states relationship with israel like there were violating the human rights of those people actually went on a human rights mission the crew was called and in that
convoy of maybe two hundred people i met some really important artist and activist an artist and. it made me want to know wall. yes we were able to get into gaza but not without tearing through miles and miles of political red tape and being watched by the government only because we wanted to present. in diapers and things that people need who are on a war and undeclared war basically and two years later i was able to go back on the other side to ramallah and to some of the camps displaced palestinians have been and use hip hop as as a way to learn and teach resistance would accrue call existence is resistance so there was a d.v.d. made of it and it's called hip hop is bigger than the occupation so we were trying to teach through music about what's happening in the so-called middle east and why
palestine is so important and our relationship. why it matters inside the united states from the ghetto. misrepresented to here in america considering the strict allegiance that this country does have with israel what is your group's album is called gangster what the cause why do you feel it's so important to have a cause instead of just. how many other rappers are correct he was called revolutionary by gangster montra mainly because the back of them are come from the letters red black and green which were made. available to me by marcus garvey one of the first human rights activists if i will but definitely the father of the black power movement inside the united states and for me why do we have to be revolutionary but gangsta why does it have to be a cause because if we don't organize ourselves around something then we are being organized and i think a lot of times we don't understand the agenda that's before us we have to be conscious of where we place our next steps in and how we see our future for our
children and for those who carry the torch for so that's why the cause and no better frequency than to communicate it through then this medium of culture music and turn it into our propaganda that's why in an interview. wired stick man the other half a dead prez called capitalism the enemy of mankind i was wondering what you thought about that assessment if you agree with that and if so what would the second american revolution look like. i think stick was exactly right the enemy of mankind because capitalism was born. it was born. in it so more from the brigandage and bondage blood sweat and tears of africans that produced the primitive capital to start up capital for what's happening today and then the pedestal that imperialism is today and what's happening so if we look at what it's all rome you know in order to stand up on this edifice the correct way you have to turn this system upside down and what would it look like what would
this revolution look like you know sometimes the names get in the way i think we term things today there's so many about what there is i do think the natural antagonistic capitalism is something that looks like socialism because it gives to everybody who was involved in producing i think that's fair and i think we've got to talk about whatever a system would be that would be a fair one exactly in the right way we look at some of the movements that have happened especially coming out of africa and community nonviolent one of those as well as when skirmishes erupted in our community that sent us to i think we have to find a way i think we have to find a new way that has not been here before and learn from those ways so i look forward to this because this revolution is happening and i look forward to it heightening and i look forward to being there so we can make some solutions and i couldn't agree more of these isms are really stunting the debate really something the forwardness of consciousness and that's what's happening and we're having
who had imprisoned. it was thought the bed lost and killed him anyway. but the palestinian press wasn't talking about the death of a hero not the western newspapers where. it's spoke instead about the fear of being withdraw. your particular thing you know what i think ted give up a little bit if i think i have the stuff i have so i think that i was right that the for what it will be my first thought was the whole bit of the stick as if it wasn't something no please oh yes i want to come but you know that's the last thing . i did i just had depended on the palestinian economy was one eight. i wanted to find out what the biggest it's worth doing here. usa i d
v eight being at the u.s. government was everywhere. so i phoned the press office in tel if he. rarely allowed to interviews the press costs and i told him about my grandparents and all that good. but only if i stayed off politics and invites makes the headquarters to meet michael harvey the mission to direct. will since we came back sixteen years ago we've invested about three point five billion dollars to the west bank and gaza our annual level of funding from the entire us government about seven hundred million dollars a year the amounts going through a idea last year was a four hundred million dollars i expect that it will be approximately that amount this year. suddenly i was inside one of those flash keep driving around behind tinted windows the bodyguard
in time my own private p.r. woman. in front. on this special tour of all the infrastructures food building screws hospital. road school it was impressive. roger simon ok be right you got there one that we would see if they get the name of the project. is us state a bill to the chief. justice yes bill to troll until these on the u.s.c. are two years the largest funder to show to the workforce this is big budget big money and you're talking about forty fifty million dollars every single project i go to their aid projects to pick and flash and then everyone else says.
and then on the way back i learned what happened when i came off script. so there's one major problem there is not enough water for the people in the center there's a water shortage just to see kind of comparison how how would these problems be overcoming these real you you have to understand that today. these are all the controlled wells to draw. more water from agra far into west bank and palestinians on there also courts blocks bella stands are not allowed to use or only sorry to drill as many wells as they need or as they would like to or says they want to because there is this better meetings but a meeting authority or permitting mechanism that doesn't allow them to do. is to say one thing. if this is off the record. because the border issue is very political it is that terribly political and problematic i would prefer not to
have too much discussion on the u.s. state project yeah i mean when you if you if you don't elaborate much more on the political consequences of the water than anything of course when the p.r. lady told me to stop filming i made a connection. the reason why usa id had wanted me to stay off politics is that the american today has seen the tale which involved palestinians losing control of most of their water. what the engineer had also told me was that the palestinians were only given one aquifer the eastern aquifer which had been running water for many years. the other two aquifers in the west bank provided water only for israelis. but the project honored. i remember they are slow called a handshake with arafat rapping and clinton looking on pleased as punch. and i
also remember the angry discussions that had about whether arafat sold out his people. i felt like i was saying fast can tap political aid. but i also felt very out of my depth. my grandparents had known that hate alone wasn't an option that had to take on the politics. grandpa had never forgiven our country from ducking out and leaving the fate of the palestinians to the state of israel and he felt it was his responsibility to make that right. that demonstrated at checkpoints written to m.p.'s in these papers and organized munchies. but i wasn't seeing that here. and that was when i got in touch with lebanon again . it was really fired up as there had been no will trim bethlehem for several weeks
despite usa i.d.'s millions of dollars in the area. and so we were off to see riyadh abu i asked a water expert for the palestinian authority and pasted to usa i think. this was for us. in the east but for. the investment in this quote for it is useless i honestly see a call for a call for that it's useless to the us. where it's no. it and several of workshops and meetings me myself for them want to say anything on behalf of anyone it's a symptom of primes the chips. the meetings i told them each dollar we invest it in the east and if it is useless. did you know as an engineer as
a specialist would for this project for. me and my colleagues in advance as i am telling you there is a news real world snow they are as a borehole from now i'm telling you they are field project because i will if i am a decision maker i will not invest anything in them because the he has offered you he says forty five million was spent on just rubbish i mean it's look east smears and it's a matter of time to give up because if that would. get rid of that just. more i don't know whether any other engineers thought usa id's investment was useless but given that everyone i've spoken t. agreed that these to not call for was running dry it did make the billions invested
look worryingly like a distraction to keep people quiet. i had wanted to take. to me happy people. this is whale see the real politics of fate she tapped. my friend jamal was working with a farmer in the jordan valley. funnily enough this is exactly the kind of place my grandma described in her book finally i felt like i was in touch she's. kinda guy. oh. you mean if you've been in the bad while i believe. it was a toilet. b. b
c. would you. probably in the. game and how much except that he. did not get. to keep them and i mean for now you need to lay on me and. that's what i'm going to be used. to construct. get him to the show and wanted a master with out of the money and. about how to. when a job it shall be in to xabi so let us look at the one hundred better chabi ness of them called the half way. so don't let off the shabby i am no no i believe that i was still quite a little but not someone you have been with i don't have all that shabby big heavy look i've had would certainly. is you getting the stuff from the well.
in the water this is the kind of. you know i'm. going. to do a book he'd. be good lookin. to do that. for me. the problem. with the whole. thing to bring him here but there's. little he looked to do bush a lot of cannibals look good. but if you. look . and more assists this guy on a it to. a little man. who. sat. maybe dish left him. whatever ladder set.
up while a slave. or c.s.e. can you put the bottle so i am in as talk of the out of the. if you look out if you're going to be it could have been a big. out of the sale it could be a stock religion. out of the i think that's going to be better than the advantage of getting. to the eternal into the bottle so that in fact the guy but in this one it came out of way to do so with. well. it's technology innovation all the developments from
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like i have you with us here on our t.v. today i roll researcher. patty for a little respect to me for the first time about her daily life as a palestinian. mind over to be. watching me. feel better just. to. defeat the fear for inside of me. i think it's. a story of being. having this ongoing just.
going like daily life. living. being. having the police coming to my parents and taking me to investigations for five hours that i even if. they will come to address to me very soon by helicopter. being in detention in prison for something. i got in touch with the family contact chris the spokesperson for owner part of the un this time looking i had some questions to.
my grandparents. in the sixty's and seventy's the u.n. imagines he really for the hundreds of thousands of refugees. but fifty years later they were still providing all the welfare in the camps nothing had moved on look i can understand why anyone points the finger and i from the inside can understand the frustrations but what do you suggest under disappears what do you think would happen to other schools what do you think would happen to under a student. where you would take care of a situation where you need well you know that. they're doing their work for them ok so go we should find any info your that is why i say there has to be a political framework in that when there is a political framework one hopes the occupation would disappear precisely as you say my frustration is just you know i'm happy to have this chance to tell you that i
don't need flour and lento and maybe thin but i need my freedom i don't need you to turn left right no injuries that will that i just leave then the situation will be very clear for the ward thank you patients even with the situation but look i just speak from second you have to be politically realistic so you say under should just leave under this mandate comes from the general assembly so if you feel that you need to win that argument in the general assembly john stand you don't fall to those members of the quartet for example who are charged with finding a political solution the quartet is there to produce a political resolution why are you coming and asking for humanitarian organization why it's not doing politics have you spoken to them. you just said you didn't. you see how. people. i also have a question for you you know i mean i believe i said i'm not out to do that or you
look at my cause as a human experience ok you know i'm not no no that's misquoting me you know you know a little light doing a little bit you know what i'm saying there has to be a political solution but i'm asking you as a documentary maker someone helping this documentary why haven't you taken. your producer to go and talk to the quartet i find that you say oh come on. my look at what i mean listen we're seeing through the game so to me forgive me i don't i mean there's nothing that i need to understand apart from coming here fifty years after my grandparents were here and thinking what do you agree with me but. you know whatever it is basic a they were very frustrated they can play such as nam and they couldn't be here call themselves humanitarians anymore they had to.
i could understand chris's style and felt it was only right that we should take his advice and go to the quartet ourselves. the quartet to christen told us comprised of russia the united states the united nations and the european union and we're charged with finding a political solution to the arab israeli conflict. only then with the stars has come to an end and the general assembly might be able to disband humanitarian aid organizations such as owner. instead we go to tipoff to go and see prime minister salam fayyad talking at a press conference about foreign aid. so that was. the.
oh. don't. have a. good. thing. to. put do you think paul a. patient for a case. i just spoke of i phone. support for the son of people the quest for freedom has been essentially helping lead with the needs of all people it's not we dump you support the office if you actually get into her saying home phone i guess i can see what you are coming from
but you know you but. that's been given for the most of it. has been used to put them in housing because that's the world people proposed to be of understand first of all the fish that's going down the pace no no no no no teaching people to stop the. only certain people say something's going for but if you if you would hear me out. what's the put them the most wonderful freedom. is the presumptive by the cross well if you put the phone to me to be able to push to be it that's the bottom line is this is not my point of view good. mature men standing on their steps outside satisfying. i tried everything within my means i'd call it the prime minister. maybe never
was right had to tear apart from realizing that people at the top one table to change anything. when. i felt nine nearer to finding out whether it was possible for the west to do anything positive and helpful here and so i made contact with an organization whether. run by women on their website they said they were united by a vision to realize their rights as palestinians and to control their resources perhaps this was the. saeeda had recently refused to grant from the un because she didn't like the terms that sacked and he had. to have must have. been would a wild hot. headed in this is the common muck home the head of the knesset the minority
in the fetal up to the i'm in my home but local men and women had all of them and wish them a new home which isn't in much time on the analyst and all that i'm home all my could wish was that he didn't but nancy allman had people of the love of so you wouldn't find. you on. this side in. that you know and this was for two hundred thousand dollars to just take it and you decided. we refuse. to let you know explained that many of the poorest people few thomas more as a political party offering genuine community support than a group of terrorists. at last i felt i was seeing an example of fate that was putting when the needs of the people fast and look for a seemed so happy to meet him. in sight wanted to show us one of dalia's projects and breath he had a dinner lady at
a local primary school. i wanted to hear what saeed i had to say and asked to be in on the conversation he said must not exist of a conversation about something. but to tell them their head. like we don't mind and you can see with that. but not like. this is something that used to mean it was like going to make me feel. good but someone would have come in to ask me to do something. i'd be a name. to it is. i've done many palestinians up there to speak. arabic here and internationally but if. i do it. i want to do it like that but it's not like that
with you i'm nothing think of impaired but i feel more commitment. to my people when i'm with them than for you if you understand them here to tell you this is my life with you coming to my place to work to make money and to be expected. to be a political office if it. is how do you think. they are going to say. and you know this woman. and i think they have been here this week i've been. there to say that he didn't know anything that has to be. a meeting between let's label just some opening things fascinating to each other. and her little sister had he had this little fun here was i don't know whether
looking a mantric normally knocked off for a couple of hours i was beginning to feel alienated and didn't understand the way. that i was going to people that i've copied what i meant. as i started to pack up my back to leave i was reminded of you to again. that time you described in your book staying at the american colony hotel in jerusalem israeli police calling. you given twenty four hours to leave. but that wasn't why i was going. i just didn't feel welcome anymore. fifty is off to you made that fast trip would be coming here now do you think you could do any good today. i want to.
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suspect. they would like to do is show that you know the price is the only industry specifically mention in the constitution which says that's because a free and open press is critical to our democracy schreck help us. to make you know i'm sorry and on this show we reveal the picture of what's actually going on and we go beyond identifying a problem. rational debate and a real discussion critical issues facing america emma i'm ready to join the movement then welcome to the big picture. but i'm tom hartman in washington d.c. and here's what's coming up tonight on the big picture believe it or not there's a republican in america right now things that medicaid expansion under obamacare is
the right thing to do so when are more republicans going to agree and stop playing politics with people's lives adding more tonight's big picture rubble and no redrow that modi in his new prime minister started out his career as a tease seller now he's the leader of the world's largest democracy who is not on that modi really and why are some indians worried that he could send his country home to over a billion people down the road to sectarian warfare i'll ask journalist and writer siddhartha deb but in tonight's conversations with great wine it's. you need to know this the conservative media is turning american soldiers against
each other and it's just flat out disgusting first off the proposal to trade the xp . to kill or five taliban captives none of whom has ever been charged with a crime and would have had to have been released when hostilities with afghanistan ended next year anyway to trade these four guys five guys for bowe bergdahl that deal was first made public in the united states press in two thousand and eleven three years ago when the story naming the five taliban but not naming bergdahl was leaked to the press hardliners in the taliban blew up the deal two months later the bergdahl family went public that it was their son the five were to be traded for this was no secret and has been known not only by every single member of congress is various intelligence committees but by any american who bothers to read a newspaper or watch the news for the past three years nobody objected then no republicans came out and said it wasn't a deal the administration should have been considering and yesterday the new york times editorial board went after republican lawmakers in washington who are now
calling for president obama's impeachment they wrote that though we criticize the administration for ignoring the law in not informing congress of the transfer of the taliban detainees thirty days in advance leave it to senator lindsey graham of south carolina and other hyperventilate errors to claim that continue to release of prisoners from guantanamo without prior notice is now considered an impeachable offense a ludicrous leap. but in the republican world ludicrous leaps don't matter and neither does reality continue its efforts to turn the american public and military against sergeant bowe bergdahl back so-called news is now claiming that bergdahl converted it is why fraternize openly with as captors declared himself a. move or warrior for islam according to secret documents obtained by fox news meanwhile that same network is continuing to use former comrades of bergdahl is to help paint the picture that bergdahl was a desert are not worth the deal that was made to secure his freedom and all the
conservative media and the right wing's efforts to try bergdahl in the court of public opinion may be gaining momentum those efforts don't have the facts on their side according to a new york times to the new york times a classified military report that was completed just two months after bergdahl was captured reveals that there was no proof that he intended to desert when he wanted to way from his base and the classified report also says the bergdahl did not leave behind any sort of letter explaining his actions or outlining any intentions to permanently desert there was even speculation by the base commander at the time the bergdahl had simply got around a corner to relieve himself although the language was a little saltier he said the least these fight the facts not being on their side the right wing is continuing to trash bergdahl his release and even his family a military family so isn't the right wing's outrage over the bergdahl release more
about scoring political points and blasting the obama administration and it is about any actual would judgment concerns let's rumble. joining in for tonight's big picture rubble are chris all the conservative commentator and activist seth christie setser progressive strategist and president and c.e.o. of new ides communications and horace cooper conservative commentator and senior fellow at the national center for public policy research thanks for joining us this is you all so you heard my intro. eight isn't this. tragic or disgusting what is being done to bergdahl in in the absence of his ability to speak for himself and frankly in the absence of any evidence we know we know that there was no evidence that he was intending to to leave and this actually was from wiki leaks that we got the stuff the entire all the logs as
a result of chelsea manager you're jumping ahead of the actual facts it's one thing to say we don't know for sure that he was a disorder and that he left it's unknown what say that we know but he didn't really know what i am asserting here is that the army conducted a two week investigation in place on the ground interviewing all the people and came of the how but they didn't know that's what i said i don't know is not the same as we know he did fox is not saying don't know i wasn't smoking about fox i'm talking about the reality that i'm talking about fox our everyone everywhere it wherever there are acts i listen to your whole intro and that was really nice you left out the rolling stone piece in which he said he was disgusted with being american you left out that i said he said he was discussed would be an american after he had seen an american an american drive over in a afghan child crush that child to death and then the and then the soldiers stood around and laughed about right but even later that story wouldn't be here if i you
yes that were are i make me hate america but then i would he didn't say he had right but i'm not going to i mean this just means they're embarrassed and ashamed yes and i am but i'm not the one who sent all my belongings home before i left the base and which rolling stone reported and i'm not the one who said these things so you conveniently did not report what the army report right well they reported and the other thing wrote this is now dead that fox is reporting and let's also say that you talked about the deal and in two thousand and eleven which when it was presented to members of the senate on both sides they opposed it. is why that deal never happened and why that's a resident go leak this is the wrong argument the right argument is why is the prevailing view of the republican party right now one of i think there's been nothing more shameful of late than to see republican elected senators come out who had previously said we need to do everything in our power to bring bergdahl
home now here is the deleting their tweets and one hundred eighty degrees different here is john mccain speaking about these five taliban guys and this bowe bergdahl areas would you oppose the idea of some form of negotiations or prisoner exchange i know back in two thousand and twelve you called the idea of you've negotiated with the taliban bizarre highly questionable. well at that time the proposal was that they would release america taleban some really hard core particularly five really hard core taliban leaders as a confidence building measure now this idea is for an exchange of prisoners for our american fighting man i would be inclined to support such a thing depending on a lot of the details. in the right way now meanwhile meanwhile the arizona star you know the units newspaper has
a fascinating headline check this out. if you do have a graphic. five hundred thousand impeach obama for leaving an american behind in afghanistan protest signs are found in dumpster behind r. and c. . let me this is a quick point is this not first of all this is in all probability i'm quite sure this is a satirical page on but it's the arizona stars plan to make it's a very quick points you guys are releases where you guys would go in with the guys are really struggling to try to turn this into the republicans are over reaching this problem wait let me make my point here in the late made my point we don't rely on not senator dianne feinstein i'm not the military commander of the senior level saying that they're going to investigate determine whether or not they're going to file charges i am not the all all the democrat the in terms have to do with whether or not you know this is a soft it being a scandal it's being
a scandal no no it's not in the end of the question name me made me five democrats who are signing off on this arrangement out give you to harry reid and nancy pelosi where you get me going to tell me what i did mean to me you are going to be hearing him absolutely right in the state of israel released thousand nine hundred seventy five actual happens victimhood terrorists a one israeli soldier amy five to. mccracken's that's all maybe five democrats and i'm giving you to harry reid and nancy pelosi and you know why i'm giving you two because you can't find me one a lick to democrat who is saying this is a good idea so when you want to say this is a wrong go by and a member of our audience who are thinking they are going to get there are republicans in name now so once again we're not want to do what you are being what horace is demonstrating is that is that he's trying to make this a partisan thing you know you know and i'm it's a good i know. how this all americans we don't leave soldiers behind and that is
the reason that ruppert spurt hor your and i can go down the line of senior democrats who are calling this a fee the army creed says i am an american soldier i am a warrior and a member of a team i serve the people the united states and live the army values i will always place the mission first i will never accept defeat i will never quit i will never leave a fallen comrade you want to rewrite the army created more aside apparently dianne feinstein does because she said this was wrong this is not about you and go inside i'm selling you what i was that the this is not about the republicans as you try to frame america this is a problem this president could have successfully made the trade that he did but he did it in absolutely the worst way just possible and that's the reason the world as you know that is and you know what he tried to do it three years earlier got leaked . to susan rice baghdad bob to go on the sunday show and talk about this
weekend was that one of the you and i are filibustering this thing looks. like here you are you have zero interest i mean then tell me why all of these republicans who now are changing their position originally came out and said we need to do everything in our power to bring this guy he'll be back and tell you that's not how i can tell you that you know this is a classic liberal argument it's got to be it's a or b. there's nothing else. so we disagree with the way it's done does that mean it should we shouldn't have done other things is it the only possible deal to give me everything or not everything because well you know no i don't think i don't think that they meant we're going to sacrifice malaya and sasha obama to get this guy back i mean yeah there are other alternatives out there the president had a a wide variety it wasn't just leave him there to rot or this other thing there's always a get the taliban everybody along the table these five guys for an hour i'm going to sell the counter homers five guys are and i'll take the deal well right and i
or the. i know c.n.n. the m s n b c news have taken some not slightly but the fact is i admire their commitment to cover all sides of the story just in case one of them happens to be accurate. that was funny but it's close enough of a truth and might think. it's because one full attention in the mainstream media works side by side the joke is actually on here. and our teen years we have a different brain. ok oh yeah because the news of the world just is not this funny i'm not laughing dammit i'm not have.
you got a sense of the jokes that will handle the stuff that i've got to. back to big picture rubble joining me chris allman chrissie selzer setser and horace cooper sorry always a script everybody's name i just it's just i'm famous for me on wednesday afternoon adam o'neill the republican mayor of bel haven north carolina urged republicans in his state legislature to expand medicare under obamacare we had him on the show last night here's some of what he had to say. but the argument from a logical aspect is simple i think we have a situation where our party is in and taking the position that really doesn't have a lot of defense and i think it's some point we're going to have to get on ball on the ball and join the medicaid expansion throughout the country because not doing
it you can't sit around and watch critical access hospitals critical they're called critical because are critical you can't watch these hospitals so the governor cannot sit by and watch me hospitals close before he's going to have a hot potato and saying so i think in fact there was even a more powerful part of that where he served out he's of this is a matter of life and death and people are dying right now we don't have to. and i want to mention that about v.a. hood in the deaths that happened you said wednesday they died but simultaneously these problems exist that we can't blame the v.a. hud fiasco on it but yes say that you know when i said maybe we're not talking about the v.a. i don't know about it out that i don't blame me deaths that have happened on whether or not a state has expanded medicaid ok but there are let's hear from but they're worth an active decision on the part of a number of republican governors to say no i do not want to take the free man even if coming to me to expand medicaid in my state i would rather see people get back into the hall and potentially die because i don't want to give president obama this
one thing. it is an odd money interest they're not free money the governor of north carolina. it's not no it's a free money it's money that the taxpayers of north carolina paid the federal government that they would rather have had already that governor is saying they would rather we don't want to have not there we were right back in our dams are you money mark now that i'm on the road before and see what is what is happening and what is going to happen that is going to percent after three years he's paying sixty percent right now for medicaid congress no congress can bind a future congress and you know that and it's not going to be ten percent because suddenly we're not going to the feds aren't going to have enough money to pay ninety percent and they're going to this has to be a crystal ball no i know because it much it yeah it's a story where the people have health and those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it like we stop funding social security or we stop funding medicare or we stop to know that we have to make major changes to all of those programs because if she points out no congress can bind if you know come on any
state can opt out of this at any time and the state can choose not to be on right any time and that's what the north carolinians have chosen now if they want to go a different direction why don't they get a governor and a legislature that wants to go in that direction they've chosen not to and i applaud their distance that that say that they're going to let me have. only out of the blue in everything they can to keep people from voting with carolina but that's a whole issue of christie do you want to add anything to this i think we've all had our. i think we've had our thing here you know i just think it's it's really a shame on behalf of the poor and needy inside of north carolina that politics are going to work in march georgia passed a law requiring some food stamp applicants or recipients to take drug tests this week the u.s.d.a. told georgia they can get an act that was a letter sent to georgia state officials the u.s. department of agriculture said that food and nutrition service policy prohibits states from mandating drug testing of snap its food stamp supplemental nutrition
assistance program applicants and recipients requiring stab applicants to recipients to pass a drug test order to receive benefits would constitute an additional can do. eligibility and therefore is not allowable under the law beyond that you know i mean for example when florida tried this july through october two thousand and twelve rick scott thought it a great idea let's go back to more people yes they put into place and only two point six percent of the state's applicants failed a drug test that's well or then just average random ones and it cost. one hundred eighteen thousand dollars because they had to reimburse all the people who passed the drug test it was just stupid and so he said well you know we got some political mileage out of bashing poor people but i guess we're going to start no matter what what has really comes down to is that all of adage of he who pays the piper calls the tune and you know yes i believe in privacy but when you are getting something paid for by the sweat and hard work of your neighbors and taxpayers in your state
there should be some some eligibility. should have been raised taxes to pay for the drug test no no i don't think that's what you're arguing he should well no i mean there is i'm sure there were some savings from the two point eight percent who failed all their work if the net cost was one hundred eighteen thousand one hundred forty dollars but you know what two month a.c.l.u. came in my organization intervened in this case we've been monitoring it closely and the a.c.l.u. came in and they live to get it to stop it we don't know what a five year ten year annual savings would have been because the program was prematurely ended but chris makes the point i'm willing to say to the guy or gal who's putting their time and energy working at an employer who requires them to take the drug test so they can then take their money and give to someone who is not working but they ought to at least make those people meet the same standard as the people and you know whether he would look there's no link between people who are on
food stamps and and people who use drugs there is a very false premise that is being overstated by republic it is is that what now you're going to. high correlation of downy what if the majority of people as we censor children and elderly people grace operate and i say that's somebody right i mean when i look at our public homeless you listen to draw a link which is false between all of the system people programs. are already of have significant numbers of people with drug abuse problems that are on there now one of the things that rick scott did know exactly where a defendant got very little credit for was he said we will pay you for your drug treatment program so you are a poor person you're disadvantaged and you pop a positive on the test guess what your lease kind of course you are going to hear again then i would find themselves you know they don't know i need a job you know melt they just were writing to us both for big government your own him a crime to make don't try to help better their list of jane get off you know you don't
you know your people however these programs quiescent who goes to the who have a drug problem should get treatment for it's god said let's do that i applaud that you know we should be doing that all across the united states it's crazy that the treatment that we have principle in the united states for being a drug addict or an alcoholic is prison that's crazy there is. no i don't care is something no i'm responding to you're changing the subject the original subject is the point here that you got heart no i don't hate that is no just point or businesses point is habit one can expect that number one you've got mostly children and old people and number two the all of the people who are not children as old ribble do people who are not spending that money a lot of drugs. people who are not assuring old people they are people who are working in the new american business model the wal-mart and fast food business model which says we know that if we pay ten dollars and ten cents an hour people will no longer qualify for food stamps so we're going to pay ten dollars an hour or
nine dollars and ninety cents an hour so people who qualify for food stamps the qualify for public assistance because they'll be so poor so we will all know. donald duck will be the subsidized by the taxpayers of america everything you can to make all the new jobs mcdonnell jobs now when you are now is yes absolutely what you're regulation policy your tax policy please name one regulation name one regulation i could name twenty regulation and one you have policies that i made to an employer for this one you have polled one regulation we've all the environmental regulation you have the right no no i mean of regulations to get people driving based on sound as a policy if you have a policy that says if you work more than thirty hours we're going to penalize you and that is sending to one number of small businesses and part time workers the impossibility of getting more than thirty hours and then you look at them and say you can't feed a family on that or you don't mean employer or you think penalize them if you work
there by failing that you must provide health care for people that you are the penalties you can that is on a path that is absolutely a penalty in any large family by her employer is having to pay for it's the papa john's effect right it's the employer who went to use obamacare or any number of other things to cut benefits that they would have cut jobs help people get through the door to they can get vance what you are doing is making starter jobs the average. employees is twenty nine years old those are not starter jobs walmart's are bad and you are there because this happened over the last seven years but the progress is as the last thing you guys have rain here of reaganomics and same trade policies that's absolutely not the case which it all the growth policies that we need less taxation as we're seeing in the state of texas but it's having a job boom in a low wage you're not in low wage oh yeah absolutely whoa how do you expect jones average three bedroom two bath house cost only one hundred fifteen thousand dollars
in that state you can make it on ten or eleven dollars you're agreeing with me here lowe's are not low wage jobs or is it making just speaking of texas. according to the houston chronicle the official republican texas party platform will now endorse what's called gay reparation x. gay therapy whatever for quote patients who are seeking a skate from the home with sexual lifestyle the pattern goes on to read that homosexuality most not be presented as an acceptable alternative lifestyle and public policy nor should family be defiant redefined to include homosexual couples we believe there should be no granting of special legal and or creation of special status for homosexual behavior regardless of state of origin meanwhile a.b.c. the washington post show that fifty percent of americans are you know not only five people they're fine with them getting married and these numbers are going up i mean literally daily it's like as as as more and more people as more and more states are accepting gay people more and more people are discovering that family members that
they hadn't realized or friends or neighbors or coworkers are gay and oh my god the world didn't end and i found even a partisan issue either it's basically a simple as if you were young you support gay marriage if you were old you do not and the line goes like this so what's going to have the word texas republican party doesn't seem interesting here is that of course the of selectively pulled out lines from the texas suggestion however what this comes down to is that certain states are actually banning the gay therapy for people who want it and the texas things pacifically problem people knowing there are people can get it and i'm serious no problem there then you know you do wrong it is a crime that the regulation of the american psychiatric association right you know without waiting for the american psychiatric association has a lower american psychological association was i notice feel they have these i'd say yes to the kind of stuff the show i bought it once was way does why do you want is a damage to people i didn't want to be i think nobody wants to force people into this
therapy but it should be made available california has it is it all abuse oh it is psychological abuse. he has to do is take the license away from the doctors you don't make it michelle obama's husband is not licensed well then i'm going to protect him because i read the california law and it doesn't affect people who are doing it based on religion anyway the point here is you guys claim you're for science you're not for science you are for forcing people as taxpayers to pay for transgender operations but if someone says they don't want it then you have no compassion and no concern for a songwriter as accessory or as rebirthing love to ban things coming up and the world's largest democracy has a new prime minister his name is not under modi and in two thousand and five he was actually banned from entering the united states because of his role in fomenting anti muslim riots in his home state of gujarat so who is going out and. modi
and what does his election say about the future of indian democracy talk about that and more and it's conversations of great minds. like me who want your comedy news with some t. comedy news to be a bare fisted no holds barred fight to the debt. like a truth vampire winding into the next in the corporate elite the billionaire freaks while they're going. well that's what you get with my new show projected tonight. chances are foresee that. the finish line up. on. the.
tonight's conversation great minds i'm joined by siddharth dep professor of journalism at the new school in new york city where he teaches creative writing the other two novels that are is has also written extensively on modern india as journalism has appeared in among other places the boston globe the guardian arbors magazine and the nation his most recent book the beautiful and the do. a portrait of the new india won the pen open book award in two thousand and twelve. joins us now from new york from our new york city is a start welcome thanks for joining us thank you thank you for inviting me let me start out with the you what what. caused you to want to become
a writer and how has your childhood in india influenced your your worldview your perspective and ultimately perhaps even lead to this book. well it's a big question but i mean i grew up i grew up in a very small town in the mountains in india in the northeastern part it's not something that people think of and usually when they when they think of india they think of the plains i grew up in a small town there it's called shillong it's the capital of the state called. and my father had arrived there my father was originally from what is today about whether he was a refugee from the partition of nine hundred forty seven and then worked for the government as a surgeon my mother was a homemaker so i grew up in this very small town very picturesque but quite in some sense felt very distant from the big capital cities you know be from delhi and from calcutta you know but i also grew up with a very big sense of diversity within you know people of different languages
different cultures different religions you know my my family was you know hindu although not very observant. you know and i went to the majority of people many of them were christians so i grew up with a great sense of india's diversity and its richness and i think that's something that what i was always interested in in trying to write about and trying to capture and i also i think had a slightly developed sense of injustice social justice from a very early age and these were things that i wanted to capture in writing and it was not easy to think of becoming a writer because i didn't. from a very privileged background i went to a fairly elite government college i tested in it was cheap so if you got it you could study there but then you know i had a somewhat difficult time. and then i worked for a newspaper in calcutta in delhi and became a journalist which again allowed me to see quite
a bit of india especially what people think of as india because i was living in delhi for what four or five years as a journalist i was never a beach reporter i was often on the desk but i did do put a bit of writing and then on a certain point i felt that journalism itself had become very narrow in india in what what you could write about and so i turned to fiction and nonfiction in a way to capture what i saw as the very complex reality of india it you've done a brilliant job of capturing the complexity of the india you open your book the beautiful the damned. with a quote from mark twain's novel gilded age a novel of today where he talks about in a state where there's no fever of speculation no inflamed desire for sudden wealth there are necessarily no materials for such a history as we have constructed. why why that quote what's the metaphor is it
a metaphor for the book for india of course of course i love twain. i have toys he was such a great writer he was an empty imperialist he travel to india you know so i do love that coat because as you know i was expecting a fair amount of criticism from certain quarters in india when i began writing that book because it challenges the idea that everything is going to flee in india in the last twenty years. that i wanted that matter for that opening coach to be a kind of provocation but if you're getting angry because i'm telling you what i'm saying i've made that i've made it all up it's not true don't get angry it's a novel. you know i did research the book very very accurately and very scrupulously and i take great pride in it in its in its in the report it basis of the book it's still an imaginative book but nothing is made up. my correction understanding that when your book was printed in india that it's publisher required
you to self-censorship to exclude a chapter of it about sensually india's version of charles and david koch one of the oligarchy in india. yes well i mean he is a fairly small. as far as you know he's not on of the biggest businessman he's suddenly a very interesting character which is why it seems that he's basically a man who dabbles in many things but his primary claim to fame is being a kind of management guru running these chain of business schools that were wildly successful during the boom years in india when i began reporting the book and i sort of you know used him at linz to see the indian upper class their flamboyance their claims to be you know to a great energy to a new kind of wells to a new kind of approach and obviously i questioned many of the things that i found you know i thought some of these things were quite questionable but you know the
indian lead to doesn't react well to criticism and that's partly because they nearly doesn't get any criticism i've worked in the newspapers i began working as an in ninety four from ninety four to ninety eight i worked in various media print media in india when i began working as a twenty four year old the newspapers were quite critical critical of people in power whether they be in government or in business that changed completely by the time i left that job which is one of the reasons i left it in ninety eight and the media just simply sings the praises of the powerful and the mighty so the indian elite are not used to criticism now what happened was that this first chapter of the. book was excerpted in a very wonderful indian magazine called caravan to which i'm a contributing editor and when caravan accepted this chapter before the book had published before the book had been published the sub the man who was the subject of this proof he took out a lawsuit a defamation lawsuit from
a very small core where he doesn't have any business where canavan doesn't have any business where there's no publisher ironically it's a place i know very well because my sister lives there it's in the northeastern part of the country and he took out a lawsuit that essentially prevented us from publishing the book from publishing the chapter this chapter until the case had been resolved that was all of you three many years ago in twenty eleven i don't have great expectations that the case will be resolved before i finish my next book which is probably some years away from now so yes the book w. from the damned every edition in the world is complete including the edition of the people's republic of china but the indian edition is not complete it's missing the first chapter because of the court order to to what extent i mean we've seen this kind of an oligarchy rise here in the united states since the nineteen seventies since i think principal least since the one nine hundred seventy six buckley versus
vallejo supreme court decision that said that money is actually protected by the constitution in politics and yet and it's getting anywhere as it's gotten worse over the years and i recall correctly if i'm wrong that india used to have a law that said that no family or business could own more than two retail outlets and therefore india was filled with small businesses and about five years ago there was a new york times piece about out that law had just gotten repealed and wal-mart was the big force behind repealing that law they wanted to move in and we're going to see this massive consolidation. across india is is india becoming. kind of. across america there's i can think of a single industry that isn't dominated by five or fewer companies is india moving in that direction. yes in terms of the very new critic of business when it comes to iran to talk about lucrative businesses we're talking about obviously information
technology we're talking about i.t.n. services we're talking about real estate which is really really big business in india and we're talking about anything that involves resource extraction like oil and box mine are basically minerals and then we're talking about things like telecom mobile phones so yes you have a very very large companies that have emerged in india in the last twenty years and one of the things that has to be understood is one of the false stories that is put out by the media in india and by. western media as well by the elite that india was this horribly you know a badly run quasi socialist country until so-called market reforms took place in the mid ninety's that is not true india was a heavily statist country it is true into until the mid ninety's but they had very very big business houses who won to the state when india was became an independent country they very much wanted
a strong state to basically provide them the support for many of the things they fought for expanding their businesses these are the same companies that have expanded in phenomenal terms in the so-called market reform so one of the things that has to be understood is that the new orleans guards are mostly the old oligarchs they're just more of the dark girl then they were before and that is true at various levels that is true even of the middle class the rising middle class these people were mostly which includes people like me we were mostly middle class even before we just wealthy then we were in the eighty's but that doesn't mean we were poor in the eighty's and so that one. the things that has happened to us in india a big companies a few big companies have emerged all over the and it's very much almost like sometimes like south korea rather than even the united states it's like you know reliance if you want to buy any technology device in india it's pretty much the options are you know if you want to use
a mobile phone i think you're down to three or four big companies you know very interesting the. you talk about india having also i mean here we're talking about an hour ganymede really an oligarchy yes anime is is there a similarly oligarchy political system you talk about how it's actually i think the phrase you used was dynastic can you talk about the. world very much i mean you know that is again i think i think it well we're not talking about the most recent elections but certainly before the most reluctant elections last month when people looked at the parliament the constitution of the members of parliament in india the five hundred plus members of parliament you know many many of them have connections to people families that are that up already political now the most obvious example of this is the congress because the congress is candidate for prime minister and the congress lost the elections quite badly but it's leading candidates raul gandhi
who goes back four generations to. two who were sort of one of the founders of the indian national congress before when the british were ruling india so yes there's a very very long dynastic rule among many of the parties including the dominant ones but you know one of the things that has to be understood is that it's not just politics the same is true for media the same is true for business and they are all interconnected very very very heavily and again it's a kind of elite that is perpetrating itself constantly and it's quite cut off from the vast majority of the country that's remarkable it almost sounds like the old royal families of europe in. where everybody's the cousin the king of england was the cause of the king of germany you know and they had you know basically was but one giant royal family over all these guys it's fascinating. is often used actually as a kind as a tool to get more of tonight's conversations with great minds was. right after the
back to conversations with great guy i'm speaking with siddharth deb professor of journalism at the new school and author of the award winning book the beautiful and the damned a portrait of the new india. you went underground as or under cover i guess would be the better way to sit at a call center and india for a story that you were writing what did you learn from that what what and why did you do. well i think this was in two thousand and four when called the big thing that was going to save india i think every few years there's something new something that's going to save india you know take it into space age and so in two
thousand and four the call centers were about nobody talks to anymore but essentially it is obviously a booming a booming business in the cities because obviously there are a lot of young people in here there's a lot of unemployment and so you know there's a great sort of you know there was a great resource of all fall for companies to hire young people often people who hadn't finished college to come and work these jobs on the phones for customers around the world but the companies themselves were quite secretive about work conditions and so the guardian asked me to do a story on days they wanted me to do a big long form piece of five thousand word piece and they said the. one of the best ways to do it would be if i could actually get to drop working it to see what it felt like so that's what i did so you know i basically went around you know getting job interviews. and you know they were mostly young people but not just young people i mean they were also people in their thirty's and forty's. and you
know i got hired i worked at a couple of different places and i was trying to find a place where i could actually see the phone for british customers because that would be more entertaining and interesting for guardian readers but this was very hard because they were told you which companies you would be serving is very very secret when i got the job but my first place they wouldn't even let us open the employment offer letter in the office they said you can't open it you have to go back home and then open it very very bossy and you know things that i don't react well to normally essentially i ended up working for. for a call center in noida which is outside of delhi. and working for a british telecom company. people who wanted british customers who wanted to cancel their internet service and they were usually very angry because they didn't like the internet service and they just wanted to get be done with it but my job was actually to try and convince them to stay on and it was it was
a sort of you know you would change to your desk you were chained to a desk with a headset i'm not literally chained obviously you worked for eight hour shifts and you had a half an hour lunch break if you could only take two bathroom breaks in each of the four hours between the between the lunch break or the meal break and you know you had to ask permission from a supervisor and it was a pretty stressful job it was on the clock just full of people would often be quite angry and upset and you know you have to you have to be patient and it was just very very demanding and essentially i spent a lot of time with people who were doing this for some years and people would burn out they would just do it for a couple of years and then they would try and do something else that more was. more rational or more reasonable more sane and then you know they were trying to come back to this because the money was good but now even the money's not very good because india has become very much more expensive since two thousand and four so that's where that was my experience working at the call center it was quite funny you know i would i would speak to british people with different acts and sometimes
they don't understand them sometimes they would be quite nice sometimes they would be angry you know you get to see quite interesting side of humanity working a bit but you know it was not a teen that could see india as it was that were being talked about at that time it was just you know it was not a particularly great service job essentially. well and in another you've also written about the farmer suicides in new york the beautiful and the damned in the product and i said yes. tell us about. i'm sorry tell us about that why wife yes why the farmer says well you know one of the things is that in india which is a billion plus people we have to remember that when i was reporting the book when i began reporting the book which was from about two thousand and seven two thousand and ten. people were talking about ita and services and call centers were part of that and they were tremendously lucrative in terms of the kind of money they were
bringing in terms of the kind of revenue they were generating but they didn't employ very many people at the time i was reporting the book the total number of people employed in i.t. or something a little over a million one million this is in a country of a billion now agriculture is the largest employers in india it's four hundred million plus people depend on agriculture for life people where their land owners or whether as land less laborers whether it's part time labor or cycling in and out aggregate india is still primarily an agricultural country as far as the majority of its people are concerned now in the cities among the elites the myths are that farmers are very. rich and farmers of elites. you know this is just absolutely not true when you go into the field and spend time among the farmers in the early years in the very years that the urban economy was booming from about ninety five to about two thousand and eight but i stopped when i was reporting the book in the
very years that the urban economies were booming and the i.t. services were making lots of money farmers had started killing themselves in quite large numbers and you know probably under recorded numbers that we have are over two hundred thousand farmers have killed themselves in the last you know in these years of in about fifteen years. and you know usually often very painfully by drinking pesticide because that's one of the most you know he said the available ways of taking their lives and one of the reasons they do it is because of tremendous debt agriculture has completely collapsed in india the state has withdrawn support services the support services used to provide which weren't all the great always great either but you know they were there in some form because of this whole so-called market reforms it was completely left to the market so farmers are under tremendous pressure to grow crops commercial crops g.m. crops crops that will perhaps being in a lot of money but it's very very volatile and they've taken tremendous loans with
enormous interest rates from private money lenders because the government banks are again not as you know not as easy to get loans from so farmers are in tremendous distress and that's one of the ways that one of the reasons people have been killing themselves in rural india is partly because it's just become unsustainable livelihood and of course the other thing that farmers people who are dependent agricultural laborer do is that often one member of the family or two members of the family go to the cities to work in construction or to work as maid servants these are all the other big categories of employment in india construction workers and maid service and you know it's seasonal work. often pretty brutal it's often extremely exploitative and of course in india there's a whole extra dimension to the exploitation of women and so you know people do that seasonally to more on a little bit of extra money and bring money back to the village but essentially it's a country in great distress as far as the majority of its people are concerned and
to what extent has that animated the election of mr modi and what are your thoughts this is a fellow who started out with the r.s.s. party which back in the day was. you know to the right of any party any official party that i know of in the united states i wouldn't and calling them nazis would be exaggeration but this was a hard right now she was party was a nutter of the movement actually that he cut his teeth in or my overstating. no i think i think you know it basically goes back to colonial times to people who are already asleep quite genuinely and understandably distressed what i understand we distressed at the state in which india was as a quality and you know they were they were i mean this was a large number of people in india. the intelligentsia the emerging middle class shared this distress whether they were at the center or whether they were from the
left communist parties or whether they were from the right but the r.s.s. modeled itself you know quite a bit under mussolini fascist basically and and one of the and most of these fascist and one of the founding fathers he also looked to nazi germany to hitler and talked about race pride as something that indians should emulate now you can see when and when somebody is you know taking that as a model it's obviously not a very democratic gallatin model committed to diversity in any way and who was going to have this race pride these were going to the people defined a very nice. marilee is hindu now obviously not all people within the indian subcontinent are hindus and hindu islam itself is a very diverse you know faith which you know point to different range of practices depending on which part of the region you are in but then there are but the same is true for pretty much any religion in india whether it's india's home to all the
great religions of the world you know whether it's in those them or whether it's law more than it's buddhism which is the birthplace of buddhism or christianity or various sort of shamanist animist faiths it's a great home but the artist has defined a particular kind of narrowly sectarian hindu ism as the defining sort of trait of india and so this is what mr modi our current prime minister is this is the organization it's a paramilitary organization it tends to. place great stress on fitness it's very masculine it's very it's place presses great stress on a kind of a quasi military uniforms and martial drills and it has a very very distressing record against minorities and disorders so i interrupted and we just have two minutes left and i i'm sorry is what this is going to mean this fellow you know what you think his election is going to mean for the future of
him well i think i think the elections have been framed for the public in the west as a matter of devil up which is to say pro-business that mr modi has left his r.s.s. roots behind he was in you were so you know he when he was the chief minister in gujarat we saw incredibly violent riots in which hundreds of muslims were killed they have been disturbing things in gujarat under his tutelage including the killings by police what are called encountering debts of muslims who were supposed to be terrorists but who turned out to be completely innocent people kidnapped abducted by the police dressed up and shot in cold blood now obviously there is. nothing to really link directly mr modi to any of this and the conversation in public has been that he's a pro-business man he will make india definite up to the way. but within that in actual rallies in india by the r.s.s. there is a great deal of fear and against minorities answer women against you know all sorts
of dissenters there are books that are being prevented from publication all that has been happening but that's kind of below the surface that's not for consumption by the global media and so you know it's hard to say which way things that go things i want to go but as a friend of mine sent me an e-mail my friend said in india for now the lights have gone out it's going to take a while before they come back on remarkable remarkable siddharth. thank you so much for being with us thank you to see this in other conversations of great minds go to our website conversations of great minds dot com. that's the way it is tonight june sixth twenty fourteen and no forget democracy begins with you not a spectator sport get out there and get active tag your.
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