tv Cross Talk RT July 2, 2017 11:29pm-12:01am EDT
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cross talking some stories in the news i'm joined by my guest mark sloboda he's an international affairs and security analyst we also have victor all bitchy as a political analyst as well as a leading expert at the center for actual politics and we have dimitri babied she's a political analyst we spook nick international right gentlemen crosstalk rules in effect that means you can jump in anytime you want and i always appreciate it a lot to cover here we have c.n.n. in the spotlight if it weren't for trump's tweet slipping we'd be talking about a little bit more we can talk about that at the counterfeit network news also known to some people as c.n.n. or the clinton network news outfit. since that story is moved along demon russia gapes something that is a spent force now well i mean. this and my impression is that. you know the boss us in the mainstream media decided to push for higher quality you
know. this is the problem so for example. who is extremely anti russian but even he was enraged when he read boss speed he's an academic because everybody had economic you know and some think tank and prague which says that russia is a threat what he read on boss feared that russia was going to attack the u.k. using the russian community in london to destabilize the country before they attack so you can imagine all these are all grosh and billionaires suddenly had taken wide cause something so they would just drop the case this is getting out of hand and that's why we can only get one of these and they say gets out of hand we had mushy guess and say it was getting a little out of hand with these people that really the origins of it you know picture it seems to me that. the situation in western countries when it comes to news and media is that the news is about the media and i think this is this is a danger here because we're not talking. about fox i mean if you look at c n n in
b.c. i mean they have they haven't talked about news for a long long time and it's really surprising when you see it now but it is kind of reached some kind of chris and what do you think of what is happening now with the conflict between the white house that can put the news station and then later news networks first of all it shows it discredits them he shows them for what they are that they are really propaganda outlets and it shows that this isn't the first time they have been doing this let's go back to two thousand and two two thousand and three the iraq war preparations for iraq war what did see and then say back then about the evidence about chemical and nuclear weapons in iraq about that weapons of mass destruction or what happened three years before that so every few years. the major news channels behave similarly it's not it's nothing new nothing new but make the differences the differences of people like us i think i think it's alternative media that is making the difference right now because we had that in yugoslavia no
one said a word because there wasn't any dissenting views we had the run up to an illegal war in iraq and want any dissenting views because they weren't there wasn't a media spaceport now there is mark is not a difference i think part of the difference is simply partisanship we although the mainstream media in the united states is almost entirely dominated by a. pretty rabid liberal political parties and perspective but we also have news outlets like fox which are the opposite side drawn by the koch brothers. right domestic things that the mainstream media is doing to trump now is no different than what fox did to obama it's simply that fox was one media outlet and this is a tidal wave so i think it's this is just standard this is the way the relationship between politics and the fourth estate works in the united states what they present themselves just in. now or doesn't where they present themselves as
a model to the world i think it's kind of disgusting but it's kind of like that that car wreck that you're passing by that you can't help but the but rubberneckers she watches you're passing by it. seems to me. if we look at the president and we look at the media they're describing themselves these are all self-inflicted wounds on all sides ok the problem is that they're just great in the institutions you know the situation over american press was discredited by the last election the terrible way because we never had such a situation when the press would be so biased you know we never had the acting president not just supporting the kind of the office party but also blasted you know the candidate or the other party. you know when they want to improve the quality of largess of russia there is a contradiction in terms because when they reach real high quality they actually are going to tell the truth of all three major effects first russia did not forcibly occupying crimea even russia second russia is not going to attack the
baltics and there is absolutely no indication about it you could get closer to take the ball you need to get really good planned third and third mr ross is facing some real terrorists who want to subvert him not democrats not more directs real terrorists so when they actually start operating with a more or less quality if they're going to reveal these three facts i think the american for them to go to these negotiations you know if i were going to be more important here victor is that the if there's any real scandal surrounding the two thousand and seventeen presidential cycle it's really what the justice department did under obama with the deep state with all of these leaks these are the real stories out there in the mainstream media minus sparks to some degree because they do push it but the ignore all about there's a lot of very very burning important burning questions about how the administration put their thumb on the scale in the election and it's slowly. coming up slowly but
surely coming up because of this hysteria of investigation investigation it's coming back again it's a boomerang and going back to the deep state that you just mentioned you know it would be somewhat naive to imagine that the american mainstream media is doing this all on its own it's just a war between the c.n.n. and heads of major news corporations and was never in their life with bush is a c.n.n. and less than a b. c. and b. c. a.b.c. c.b.s. and so forth go to war with a. presidential administration without the deeps they knew they knew that the. making of a special series without the backing of the intelligence community without the backing of the american political establishment and it's not just that democrats mark here mentioned the koch brothers throughout the election season west here that called brothers opposed donald trump in fact in fact some point one of the brothers said in an interview that he would prefer victory by democratic contender to
a victory by their own terms and we see that in the american congress in the senate in the house where a number of republican congressman and senator snowe do. you see mccain going around the world around the world going to australia and. really disparaging the president and the white house and this is a situation that is going to continue as long as this president as long as donald trump is going to be in the white house they are not going to start i agree with you that the we need the help of the deeps need in these intelligence communities but the marquis if we go back to one of those revealing video tapes one of the producers at c.n.n. said ninety percent of my colleagues i mean it's a mindset that you can tap into very easily i mean they're willing actors. in and pushing this kind of line from the deep. state in their vested interest the
koch brothers i mean you don't have to pay you have to bribe them yeah you willingly do it i was going to i don't think that it's necessary i mean they conducted their partisan more against before the election but they're certainly all too willing to serve as the eager sock puppets for the deep state's fight to take down or at least limit the foreign policy of the trumpet ministration which this leads to no of all that countable unnamed anonymous deep state officials that you have been trying to get out right you know it is that really is a phenomenon and. the other hand the liberal media gets all upset when the other side uses anonymous officials leaked leaking information and stories out but let's let's review the crumbling russia gay narrative in the in the past few weeks we've had the former director of the f.b.i. testifying under oath to the senate new york times story trying to draw regular connections of collusion between the trumpet ministration and
a senior at russian intelligence officers was largely not true in the main in the main archer we have had this. new york times and the associated press new york times in particular maggie haberman i'll withdraw this this close shade. simply false narrative of seventeen intelligence work let me even me the former director of national intelligence officer testified under oath to senator alfonse that has been repeated over and over on who is to program ok some of these intelligence agencies some of these intelligence agencies like that just but. they don't even deal with these kinds of assessments so when you're saying selling the coast guard i mean they had a big game the question is why they felt the need to keep saying this to try to buttress the cause if you meant to add me into it sounds nice and seasons but isn't . we've also we've also had. these repeated scandals at
c.n.n. with editors being fired trying to draw trump business connections between russia and trump campaign that was song cost three employees a couple reporters and an editor their jobs and now we've got these damaging videos coming out about c.n.n. cynical profit driven pursuit of this which on the narrative is crumbling but that doesn't mean that it will go down every day but we have a minute before we go to the break i agree with mark i mean it's what was new was never a case in the first place ok it was it was contrived here but it doesn't mean they're going to walk away from it invested a lot into it go ahead i think the problem is in the ideal would you and trump made a mistake when he didn't buy the ideology but he just target individual media people like. crazy or call him what's her name
he. was well i would agree with that because i mean i guess i think that's a very fair description it might be argued with that personally but i want to be clear that that is. at the office i agree completely with the mainstream media on that and trump is damaging himself he needs to stop paying attention to these nominees in the media and government ok during the interview in these situations of the president had a stroke and we're going to go to a short break and after that short break we'll continue our discussion on some stories in the media stay with our kids. here's what people have been saying about rejected and i say it's. the only show i go out of my way to find you know what it is that really packed them. yeah. john
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welcome back to crossfire where all things are considered i'm peter lavelle to remind you we're discussing some stories in the media. ok gentlemen let's switch gears we have upcoming we have the president of the united states meeting the president of the russian federation something that trump i think wanted to do and talked about during the campaign and he's been more or less blocked from doing it in the g. twenty and could be on the sidelines i've been hearing that he wants to have more formal and a lot of people around him even of his aides are saying it should be a lot more informal because of the atmosphere that toxic atmosphere here is not going to. i think though ok wait here let's tell me what this meeting means if it means anything and what both presidents want to accomplish what both presidents were looking forward to this meeting for more than half
a year and the closer this meeting they got to this meeting the less they were you know we're looking forward to it simply because they expect the expectations are lower with every week with every day do you think that you think we should keep low expectations are the expectations are so low so low do you know there is nowhere to go that's their bottom and it's interesting why and when this leak happened the tampa apparently wanted. sort of a more of the form of meeting or why it was this leaked and what was the intention what was the intent of those who leaked it so obviously the intent was to show that once a more formal meeting with out over the edge you receive state was put you know who . according to all these mainstream media outlets and according to. adversity is in the american political establishment who has been sort of supporting his campaign
but the all these are substantially the completely. worse and then you end and so the purpose of the leak was not so much to show what the hell is going on in the white house but again to show that it is seeking to have a prolonged longer or or or or a no to shows the promoter of an anonymous source in the media gaming out of the national security council. of the white house from people who are opposing term because right now there's a new story. we're going to get reaction to market and yeah i mean the latest is is another anonymous leak from the national security council the trumpets looking for deliverables things he can give to supposedly without necessarily any quid pro quo that will sweeten relations like giving back some of the diplomatic buildings that the u.s. from russia inside the united states yeah but. at this point it's actually russia
that is playing down this meeting they're saying that well it all depends on putin's busy schedule they'll try to pencil him in. is what they said for the donald you know one look exists there's nothing policy wise going to be decided at this meeting but it is very important because i think trump does form his relationships to a large extent through personality those first meetings will matter and he has built putin up i think in his own imagination in varying ways but also he's driven by ego and he's been completely assailed in the press by fictional imaginations and really needs to do you think you think i mean i mean i think mark's right here because the personal relations and just to point to figure out who's alpha dog here is this what he's going to try to figure out well i think the explanation is very simple anything connected russia is about the person there to talk trump was immediately attacked and twisted in your logic by the mainstream media i mean he
met with a lover and the mainstream media. all of a revealing american secrets the log off in the presence of many people in the room that's why he wants this meeting to be collective you know that's why he wanted many people around simply to avoid c.n.n. saying next day that he revealed to putin something secret you know give him a memory stick this is. only occurred once such a situation it was in the early years of the soviet union when basically then you did not meet for a need for us because he was there evolutionary so he considered to be on his dignity to meet them and second because his own party it was like how come you were meeting with all of these imperialists well for many years the press tried to facilitate the summits you know remember how the press was enthusiastic about raggett meeting we're going to go into a cave you know the mainstream press is doing everything to to. basically anything
they don't want to do want to wreck you don't want anything to come out the biggest . question there is also this meeting is basically is time going to see the end of it all this was a wonderful weekend a wonderful time to. be not going to see it because it was a big league meeting and yeah that's about it i just you know the switch gears here is we trump has been making a lot of noise about north korea here. for me there is no anything there are no good options here mark winds strong pushing this yeah i think this is trump trying to work presidential again and he's picking on an opponent that everybody does it everyone dislikes. trump's biggest problems right now is not with north korea i mean north korea doesn't present any serious military threat to the united states and never will or even to its neighbors south korea and japan this is all this is all largely about perception at this point north korea is
a nuclear power more or less and then we just have to accept that and part of the reason why they became a nuclear power is because they learned through repeated saddam hussein kadafi in libya that if you give up and that the only thing that protects you from us regime change is a nuclear weapon you give up their day or they learned that lesson well but trust big problem now is his relations not with north korea but with south korea they've got a new prime minister who is pushing for much of a new president i'm sorry president moon who is pushing for much better relations kind of a detente he wants discussion with north korea he's not happy about the sad that the u.s. snuck in in the middle making the south koreans pay for it to get he had trouble getting the south koreans a pay for the trump wanting to renegotiate trade deals with south korea trump sending a fleet protects south korea that actually ends up in the indian ocean instead all of this is an extremely embarrassing and right now south korea has had. better
relations with you know exactly look with the president in the oval office meeting it looks like to the new president of korea was kind of bending towards from sway deep explain to our audience because western audiences are never told the following what to the north koreans one well i mean just recently the south korean brass revealed that i would go in president to you know the woman who just had to quit as president. under her and this is a nation over there north korean leader kim jong un was plant i am no friend of kim jong un via the problem is that these kind of methods you know on both sides as an example because north korea immediately said that the sentence you know the former president who to do basically a capital punishment but i think if this g. twenty summit meeting is really serious i think they should discuss one thing the growing militarization of of the world in general well what about what about the
militarization of the to relieve some of the united states is there were twenty three thousand three rape you're saying i will just be clear to give you a list or south korea is very and capable of this militarization they already have tensions with japan and with the united states because they will be the ones to pay the price for a possible conflict and in europe the european allies of nato have been in the last three years forty six billion dollars more for their defense because as they say what russia did in crimea and also the ukrainian crisis has cost the european union i quote you waited more than two hundred billion dollars so you mean in the terms with the sanctions as they will be together with sanctions and counter sanctions and russia spends in his defense twenty seven percent of what nato is european anyway spent on their defense that's not from russian media that's from the stockholm institute for peace research you know if there's a clear purpose to a more peaceful korean pierce or if you. has been attempted has been made by the
way in the nineteen ninety s. there were some agreements made clinton administration and the leadership of north korea that was installed back then the truth of this is also koreans resident aliens were were ever get you know which side by the united states by the bush administration and so when the abrogated that agreement when they defused to follow you know what the their source and the other the or what they themselves of course north korea sort of back to its nuclear program oh yeah well we see that if the united states to be you know actually russia has in the past few weeks seeing how the situation has deteriorated when the korean peninsula has offered the . program well how to move forward when the korean peninsula oh i thought it oh i thought it was should see you lean on the chinese that's what you get no where well first of all the u.s.
customs of our it security guarantee exactly do you know when we hear from diem or what do you and the complicated still going on from one thousand people in the this nation the hostilities really do mean end the war now the easier they can't they don't want to end the conflict is because as long as the conflict persists the united states has a reason to believe we have not just doesn't appear to plan ok for example north korea is a very reasonable re regime with very reasonable demands about peace with south korea the united states they want a final peace treaty with the united states to end their decades long career and more there is only an arms they want diplomatic recognition that the existing hand of exercise is a massive exercise regime change the way that the military occupation on the south korean border and massive exercise authority in government those are not huge i'm realistic demands unfortunately the us political climate the establishment the american exceptionalism foreign policy will never allow that to happen and you're.
i know you want the u.s. the u.s. does need to stay in south korea they cannot allow reunify korea except under complete south korean domination with the chinese don't they want that exactly the chinese don't want because any korea unified would merge back towards better relations with china and worse relations with japan the u.s. needs to keep south korea as a military base containing china forty seconds longer forty seconds right but also china which doesn't want the american thought terminal high altitude and defense missiles threatening its very limited nuclear capacity this is a rush to. russia so these two elements they should also be included in this equation. twenty seconds look at this point states is going to is not willing is not be able to move washington is not going to change its line and the you know they're going to change their line when the internal situation in the
united states deteriorates to a point where the american foreign policy establishment will no longer be able to. hold your breath gentlemen we've run out of time many thanks to my guest here in moscow and thanks to our viewers for watching us here or to see you next time and remember. in case you're new to the game this is how it works not the economy is built around . perforations washington washington media the media. voters elected to run this country business because. it's not business as usual it's business like it's never been done. one of the biggest challenges that any investigators face in dealing with cyber
crime is. who did it where did it come from and as we've seen with many of these attacks when you've mentioned one across the recent somewhere it's still unclear where that originated from so our clear message to government is to work together around the world to minimize this risk to grow those relationships and make sure that diplomacy is the case where everything. economic development is all about numbers we're really pleased to report this quarter we are one hundred six point. but what do we know about the other figures. when i think about the fact that our c.e.o. mike do. over twenty million dollars last year more than one thousand times the average wal-mart a says c.n.n. . with all due respect i have to say i don't think that's right.
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when so many find themselves worlds apart we choose to look for common ground. russia says new video claiming to show a chemical attack in syria. a smear campaign against president assad. also this hour c.n.n. accuses donald trump of promoting violence against journalists often the president has some video showing him taking down the channel. balancing seventeen compared russian called germany warning one goal to. that goal we'll bring you the chances at all the draw you.