tv Cross Talk RT July 10, 2017 11:29am-12:01pm EDT
hello and welcome to crossfire for all things considered i'm peter lavelle well it happened blatter mir putin and donald trump met for their first much into this debated handshake was it worth the wait and what happens now. crosstalk in the importance of a handshake i'm joined by my guest here in moscow mark sloboda he's an international affairs and security analyst we also have exclusive or used to director and writer for the duran dot com and we have a political analyst we spoke nick international gentleman as always talk crosstalk rules in effect that means you can jump in anytime you want and i always appreciated the big news over the last few news cycles of obviously as the meeting of blood amir putin with donald trump here but let's talk a little bit what happened right before before we talk about the demon we had the
warsaw speech which i think the lame stream liberal media completely mis understood donald trump was talking about values he was talking about civilisations and of course he took a few snipes at russia which i think was perfectly acceptable and i think that was one of the strategic reasons why he went to war so first again he's answering to his critics in a way but i thought the speech was very interesting because whose values was he talking about and what does the west mean according to donald trump well. i was expecting to get disappointed of course the last country where you go we want to improve relations with russia is important so the plan. was clear and he made a few phrases skippered after a few phrases that will come infuriated for example the soviet leadership. now that he has talk about you know soviets and nonces in slave and poor and putting up signs over. between the nonsense and the communists it's not so much noticed here
what was really astounding was he is prays that the never known bet that can be unity of them all with community of nations and he was not speaking about the present community in the united states he was talking about christianity so it wasn't in the rebellion because the west now is not on the christian or nationalist dictatorship it is on the ultra liberal goal that is dictate what we do he is speaking to alex which i think was interesting is that if you look at public opinion polls recently taken in europe talking about the key issues of terrorism of trade of immigration there are a lot closer to the lot of things that donald trump says they may not like him as an individual yes but i think that speech was also it was snow to brussels and this post modernist ideology the demon every week talks about its program but if you ask the people of europe what do they prefer as far as immigration and all these
policies that without mentioning trump you'll see that the people of europe are actually very well aligned with tribes policies and what he campaigned for to win the presidency so it's really about not that much disconnect between trump and the population of europe especially eastern europe especially if you're looking at poland hungary and these countries which which have a very well aligned view of the world that trump has but i think you have two narratives that were going on in the u.s. mainstream media with the speech in warsaw the one narrative usually. expressed by fox was that it was very reconnect yes so that was what they were playing on the other channels as n.b.c. and the likes were saying that he turned his back. neo liberal tradition over there with neo liberal and he says it looks like it's going to jack thing even in american and eight years of obama exceptionalism in neo liberal values and they were furious that he did that so those are the elderly people here you spend whatever he has to say mark your take away from that speech i think it was in.
dreamily powerful right wing nationalist conservatives impeach that completely infuriated the few liberals who bothered to read it and could understand it the key words that set them off or tradition which nothing drives a liberal slash neo liberal crazier than referring to tradition and he referred to god and he said with a never ending name he said specifically that the people of europe and western civilization as a whole nother world they don't like civilization or civilizations one god. and you don't have to agree with this speech i don't agree with a large pieces of the speech to realize that it was a well crafted speech that actually articulated not only a foreign policy but a world view and it is probably the best speech trump ever game i'm almost sure that he wrote very little and i think steve bannon probably going to be ok and but it did two things it did it was directly intended as a slight against brussels and to show that again this new europe old europe divide
that rumsfeld once created during the iraq war and it was sure to piss off brussels and berlin which have been even talking about sanctioning poland and bringing. all sins against them for not accepting the immigrants it was a speech against globalization you never heard that word mentioned except in the negative and i also i think a bit of it was to provide the neo cons of the democrats in the u.s. with some some bones throw those some some bones to get them off his back so that when he went to the g twenty meeting in hamburg he could sit down with putin having provided enough anti so right rhetoric and put it the same time team what i think is we mark mark so absolutely right and then you could tell they were just you know chunks of that speech that were just a red meat to throw to the neo cons in the end and his critics at home when a lot of the ideas that he expressed are ideas that vladimir putin expresses hope.
time now if you know through the family god religion tradition. culture and you it's extraordinary i mean and there are a couple of people that picked up on and really criticized him for echoing some ideas to vladimir putin my point is that when people say russia doesn't have an idea what would you russia has an ideology or not but it's very flexible when i read it to hear regular speeches without getting infuriated you know and when i read it to a dollar to a regular to ask so when trump in his speech said we debate everything we challenge everything i think this is against the current reject idea what would you or the western world remember what we've said the bald r t they sold the world at all they said mayson country of all us you know also all good question and more why why is it so irritating in the e.u. in the united states they question you know all the debate these people have still debating long ago you know you know there's they're going to keep with the word
debate here so you know and if there's. any time donald trump is brought up in a particularly bad amir putin how did it play out in hamburg for you because it looks like if you listen to miss him b. c n c n n he sold out to a lot of your putin i don't see it that way i thought it was a meeting of minds the way they're playing it out as he sold out to vladimir putin put in everything he wanted russia got everything it wanted from that meeting and trump basically went in there once again as a stooge of the kremlin but. a bad negotiating stooge so pretty much that the narrative going around right now and in the liberal left media is that is that trump went in put it knew everything that was going on he had read from the minute you know they shook hands and he got everything he wanted in the u.s. really but it was as you know it seems to me that's very interesting mark is that you know i don't think either side expected any very much at all and i think that's what makes it kind of exists. the russians and i asked for much and donald trump
didn't give very much what they didn't agree on very much i think it was still the best takeaway you could take from at least from the way we think is that there's a crack in the door now possibly to some other negotiations i think that's the it with a lot of there is a cooperation that was set first of all let me say i disagree completely russia does not have an ideology and that is part of the problem it has a worldview it has a culture and it has a divided conception of its own civilizations but it does not have an ideology this meeting was supposed to last and so a meeting arranged on the sidelines of the g twenty meeting it was there they tried to put all kinds of constraints on trump they wanted a neo-con fiona hill to hold the lick his leash in the room he wouldn't have any of that he wanted they wanted it just a short drop and he wanted a full bilateral meeting he got what he wanted it was him and putin tillerson and allowed ross into translators and that's it it was supposed to last thirty five
minutes it lasted two hours and twenty minutes at one point they tried to the american delegation tried to send his wife's wife i into the room to end the conversation that didn't work either all right this is exactly what the liberals or the democrats or the neo cons of long feared that two men have a report they have like worldview and it's very problematic it's really interesting team is. new he's going to get a lot of flak for. care anymore he doesn't care anymore he knows he's going to get this kind of commentary from the liberal media he simply doesn't care anymore i wish i could be so optimistic i think that i didn't expect. was to be able to draw in polls in a bind it was clear that he wouldn't even give back these diplomatic property back to russia simply because the mainstream media would say well did you demand it difference or sanction the bill in the last stage of the exam. you know i just
tried to ruin all relationships before leaving off a seized russian diplomat absolutely and they are not giving it back you know so the problem is that right after the meeting and at the same story continuing in the mainstream media now they're targeted. for me to a russian the war woman the lawyer in june two thousand and sixteen i read it in the new york times he met he met a foreign agent well for god's sake for three years for five years that western media has been blasting russia for introducing these different foreign agent in our conversation and now who they call the foreign agent a woman lawyer from russia who came to talk to jared about adoptions of russian behavior by american family that is a foreign one just you know it's i just i guess we just have to accept this parallel universe because i came across that story do you know i just ignore it spoke because if there had been something and i'm going to quote the producer the
very secretly taped is that if there were something it would have been leaked by now ok this is just hot air they're chasing their tail i think the most significant part of the g. twenty meeting was a truck created his own reality and what i mean by that i think for the first time in the g twenty in a lot of years used to be obama coming to one of these meetings hanging out with merkel hanging i would have chinese either like a bunch over there like a little clique of like mean girls you know making fun of everybody else you know spitting out how great their value is and how so everyone else is. yeah i was going to school or you know you just made your eyes you know some of those i did exactly think came trouble everyone wanted to meet him everyone wanted to stand next to him there was no us servant i was able to rob and murder to kill you the french president which i did he was only there i don't know if you're going to have a hard break after our short break we'll continue our discussion on the recent g twenty summit state with our team.
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welcome back to cross talk or all things considered i'm peter lavelle to remind you we're discussing the recent g. twenty summit. ok mike let me go back to you know last week i learned this phrase mean girls ok and so it was already injected in our discussion here and i mean girl to angela merkel go yeah well i'm not sure the angela merkel qualifies as any type of girl this all unfolded really margaret major in the way she has been proclaimed by the western media and most of its politicians as the leader of the free world and she was on full display at this g twenty summit they were talking about it is some kind of. chance for her to put forward her position as the defender of globalization in the liberal world order and she felt it more what this is this is some of the quotes. that we have coming out of me angela merkel from this i have to take things
as they are talking about the protesters and the riots often two different things that disrupted the entire events from the outside the police did their best and talking about the results of summarizing the storm and a very sober assessment the summit took place from her perspective this is what the summit really showed is that it showed her. own limitations her inability to lead the west as she was leading her signature session on climate change putin and trump the leader of the united states were meeting for two hours and twenty minutes on the sidelines so her entire act of fell flat and top of that what i think the actual results of the summit as far as her shows is in maybe perhaps in their best interest both the u.k. and the e.u. as reaction to this summit and the negative response to trump at the summit shows
that because of trump the e.u. emancipation from the status of a u.s. client state may finally be at hand and that would be a bad thing go ahead well you know when russians expected that relations between the united states and russia would improve on the comp i think a lot of russians simply did not understand that the west now is not a democracy it's a dictatorship but they said not a dictatorship of persons it's a dictatorship all right and i do all it america just presents that ideology and phrases which are absolutely empty they reveal the emptiness of that but also i'm interested in the way how did trump's detractors how did the view of the ideal conversation that he would have with putin about the russian influence over the actions would trump say something like why did you make me the president of the united states next time go and do it ok or stop did it mean that i have won so it's just absurd that you know the very idea that he should be tough on put in a boat his own victory at the election rate. really quickly just say that it was
all about trump and putin in that meeting was absolutely it was a g. twenty in germany absolutely no one talked about just the back of them as well were talked about well you know i guess that's the end of the so-called mean of ice lation gentlemen to switch gears here it's not about syria mark. what does this ceasefire agreement that both of the. yours came to you is this meaningful in or is it just a means to show that they can do something together ok it is possible that it is meaningful as a chance for the u.s. to save face and withdraw from this realize that they have lost tillerson even said maybe they have the wrong approach are they have the right approach and we have the wrong approach that is a tremendous admission from a us secretary of state to admit that their attempt at regime change of another country for six years may have been the wrong people and one of the interesting
things theme is that. on the russian side you know they're thinking i'm pretty sure they're thinking the following we've had agreements with the united states when it comes to syria drew in the always fall apart and of course from their perspective it's the u.s. and its owners that are not keeping to their commitments here so i look at it as being very minimalist it's almost kind of like a little test we'll see if we can do this baby step together because there has there are strong that's right now it's there's still a lot of doubts who's actually running the show i mean is trump his own man because we had carter when he was head of the defense department torpedo all the hard work that kerry had put them so cease fire so i think this is a small step to see if there is any credibility well let me remind our audience that there was a ceasefire in syria brought by the states and russia by kerry and lavrov in autumn last year and it was destroyed by the pentagon it was destroyed by qatar so i
can only say that the reporting is really a patient man because he didn't raise that issue he just said. that they saw it was very different from the television i see the american there to do in syria is changing there is only one way how the american nature to syria should change you know that is a law in russia and iran to have they try at all you are surely right it peaceful. we'll be able to get a nuclear deal in turkey with a gun being very unpredictable is more reliable. on syrian peace then the united states and the next i'm going to get this is the result is not going to look this is the whole thing because it's unclear exactly what the united states wants to achieve in syria and this is one of the difficult things in dealing with the united states there and what is its strategic aim it's it's unclear it changes from time to time but i think you're exactly right i think what we should be watching is who's going to call the shots in syria i think i think trump definitely was. defeat
isis i really believe i think you want to check off that a legit problem that i think you want to do but we always have that deep state in the us and they always sabotage any type of a deal that comes about between the us and russia and trying to bring peace to syria so it's going to be interesting interesting to see how the deep state sabotage is and if this agree well you know it and what term strange exactly if he can seem somehow make sure it doesn't happen i would love it's really die i would love to see the tweet brokered a cease fire in syria but deep state torpedoed it wasn't going to be it's really that you know we were given this binary is that you know can the americans and the russians actually work something out it really can trump lead the american side in dealing with foreign policy and this could be a very interesting litmus test six months and not just the american side though that's part of the problem yeah i agree they're going to the dems in the o'connors they're not only going to try to get to deep to sink this. six
a cease fire but the whole trump putin detente they're going to try and sink that from the beginning they're furious because of this they're going to go on the warpath now but this this ceasefire right we've seen these ceasefires come and go and it's got to the exact same problems it's vague it's on the fly and it's in a very limited section of syria the southwest that has not been a hotbed until the last few months in which it was resuscitated an attempt to try to get the syrian government to stop their advance in the east against isis this is of particular core concern to jordan who was part of this and israel who very loudly even before the deal was announced and this had to be arranged before the summit wasn't arranged during the summit it was just agreed to at the summit israel is very unhappy of course of auspex of russian troops of course you know russian planes this cease fire zone but the u.s. troop is basically guaranteeing for the fighters in this area which are h.t.s.
also known as literally out. the selfish jihadi is a harder joey shell islam and a few token free syrian army units that are there is to provide conduits providing arms to the much larger jihadist forces and also israel can trump not only speak for his own deep space but al-qaeda. and joey shazam well you know if he does that shows where who's allied with whom it really gets to switch gears here for a moment of time guys. north korea. that was a big part of the summit as well what to do with north korea. it seems to me there really needs to be some new thinking in the in we talked about it last week beam is that what does north korea want almost no one ever asked that question but they want security guarantees their nuclear program is a deterrent to a boy being attacked from the outside how many twenty three thousand troops twenty four thousand troops american troops are in south korea and the korean war ended
a long time ago or the armistice of the armistice came into it in a long time ago what do we go from here because. there are all only are bad options if you listen to the in the mainstream media i think before north koreans get security guarantees at least they need to talk to you know this is something that china wants you know that chinese spokesman for the spokesman for the ministry of defense of china said today that actually we terminated all of the media treat quite that with the north korean regime but we urge the united states to talk to them you know it would have included what about this freeze for freeze ok freeze the program freeze the exercise is that that seems like a reasonable first step supported by water rushing cherry the answer to that is supported supported by those parties but i think one of the most interesting narratives is that a couple months ago we saw trump in china u.s. and china kind of working to what was presented that they would work together to
tackle tackle north korea i think what you're seeing now is how how they misjudged chinese foreign policy when it comes to dealing with north korea and now they're starting to walk but why should china be doing. so dangerous they were and they didn't before that's what they were that's what they were expressing to the whole world is that china is going to do our bidding and they're going to work with us to bring north korea to heel and they and they mis understood exactly how china's foreign policy works and now i think they're just trying to lead everything that's going on not sure how myopic the foreign policy swamp in washington is that they could just snap their fingers and tell other countries what to do particularly. a powerhouse like china north korea is a very unreasonable regime that has very reasonable security and basic political recognition that it demands i mean they're an economy that is one fortieth the size of south korea's and they have only half the population but the u.s. has tens of thousands of troops on their border and continues to escalate the
situation it must be said something that the south korean president moving right now is not very happy about the u.s. just flew b one nuclear bombers right along the south korean side of the north korean bomber and dropped the dog bombs right at you this is going to ask you to leave which is kind of additive this is what keeps the north korean regime in power so that is think that's the it's their reaction to it north korea is not afraid of a u.s. strike because they've got enough artillery if the u.s. attacks them they will just trying to incinerate seoul and and south korea is very afraid of the u.s. escalating the situation like this twenty seconds well i think that we have the same problem in north korea for example in ukraine and that is the inability over the united states and their client regimes to talk to their opponents well we need to talk to it's going to have china and there's a kind of grab it looks like there's going to be a direct connection between moscow and washington to deal with ukraine you know
gentlemen it's about time and to echo mark and shows that merkel is the loser in that we've run out of time gentlemen many thanks to my guest here in moscow and thanks to our viewers for watching us here r.t. see you next time and remember cross top rules. program. i see you now want to see you next time i'm out still at the semi i'm going to ask . who's your mole you know to. raise money for books here scripts a lot of holes yes i'm going to movies. for stimulus to get them for magnificent. some place from which is much more food than saving to save us from people they're really nice and friendly in my conformance they're welcome in russia it's all very
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