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hello and welcome to cross talk where all things are considered i'm peter lobo this is a real news own today we discuss decision to end cia operations in syria russia and the u.s. are working together but most players in this proxy conflict aren't happy about this and some surprising expected developments in ukraine. cross talking some stories in the media i'm joined by my guest here in moscow
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exhibit a morone he is the founder of the center of political strategic analysis strout poll we also have dmitri bobbitt he's a political analyst with sputnik international and in london we crossed to adam garri he is a writer for the duran dot com cross talk rules in effect that means you can jump in anytime you want i always appreciate adam let me go to you first here. trumps decision to end cia operations in syria was expected actually there was a safe space station of operations over a month ago there's been a lot of reactions i think it's quite curious you know the first thing is that the the neo-con crowd says well of course trump is caved to putin but they don't reflect upon almost six years of utter failure description at a huge price in so many different ways we saw this coming i suppose we should have expected the reaction as well go ahead out of london well absolutely and the russian presidential spokesman dmitri peskov for further. the subject wasn't even
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touched on during the discussions that trump and putin had at the recent g twenty in how bored the thing is that trump came up against logic it has nothing to do with russia it has to do with the fact that these jihadi fighters that began the united states began funding under obama and arming to the teeth with all the ormes the cia gave them they couldn't do much with them they were ineffective fighters and now we see the ride the killing each other making temporary truce is which don't really lead to anything and they're getting totally obliterated by the much better trained much better equipped still syrian arab army and their allies so it was simply a logistical logical decision the made the kurdish fighters that america is now backing one hundred percent or simply more organized operating force however credit where it is due you mention the kurds are demilitarized just to say go ahead real
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quick. just credit where it's due to draw because i don't want to make it seem too mercenary this is what i've called many times the most clear cut battle between good and evil since the great padre ordered war and donald trump does deserve some measure of credit for withdrawing america's might per the world's to funding it has an evil jihad al qaeda but it hasn't done that completely the us military is still there d m a. the turkish kangal i mean turkey a member of nato it divulge the location of american military bases in syria not a nice thing to do but what's happening here is that the americans now are caught between the kurds and turkey ok i know that so there's another problem we have to resolve here there is no real solution that's a terrible legacy. from obama i mean. it was a bomber who started financing the show called more direct opposition in syria which had a strange. sense. in the hearts of the syrian soldiers it was barack obama
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who basically. the u.s. russia relations seem to. skating just simply confiscate and to all russian duchess in washington and with turkey again it's a terrible legacy because what happened is that i mean look at it from the turkish point of view. when our gun came to power it was still kemalist cameleers and can walk if you will but it's normal because camel is europeanization of turkey if europe is sick if europe gets into a cold it with russia for nor parent reason if it is a soul. then camel is makes no sense also many of them could replace camel is if. good relations with syria with iran if russia did not get involved but can assure you that i was stupid enough to get involved in syria one of the interesting things here being. who is if we have
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a score card here who's come out on top in this conflict here because you know the the great boogie man in the west particularly in the united states is iran ok it ran his amazingly benefited from this you're right support of the legitimate legal government in damascus and the the west washington and the israelis have themselves to blame for this because of course and russia as well why because a supported a legal government in syria and so it's an example for every kind of a rebellion want to be supported by west in a i don't know kind of country but systems i would say that when you have such an ally like you russia or like iran you're not sure to win it's a complete change if you compare what's up in kosovo it's open. in libya or in during the spring so in my opinion for the for the place of the. diplomacy it's
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a very strong state because not everybody and you can look at it. in libya or any. fricken countries everybody wants to be a russia saw for show they have a nerve and you know that's what let's move forward here adam you know one of the interesting things again there's the issue of blowback in thinking about that what is the next step which is when it comes to syria the west has never been able to think clearly right now ok the cia is good it were all funding in arming now we have these trained some of them trained or a lot of them went over to the other side went to fight with isis now you have a disgruntled element within syria that has connections with the west training from the west i have to wonder how they're going to feel about having the rug pulled out from under them i wonder what they're going to do go back to their european countries go to the united states interesting go ahead well they have several options we're seeing quite
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a few of them already play out first of all some of them will take advantage of president al assad's adam and steve whereby if they put down their guns and make a commitment not to engage in insurgent activities they'll be able to lead normal lives according to the own wishes that however is a minority most of these people are looking to the quickest route the jihad the express to libya the failed state of they've been with the three by some accounts for different factions competing for government and those are just the semi legitimate ones then you've got gangs you've got isis you've got al-qaeda you've got other terrorists that's where they're going to go the next stop on the jihad express is the western balkans that's their gateway into europe and through their connections with other terrorist groups which are already freely operating in the occupied serbian province of calls for me to talk here then they can go anywhere in europe including on planes. which go directly to the united states so while syria
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is closing its border with lebanon and right now in the syrian arab army or engage in ferocious fighting in the winning it against remnants of al qaida the west is leaving the doors wide open i know the thing is wide open because they've got more important things to do which is how the drive around in their takes in poland waiting for the big invisible russian invasion that's never going to happen where they should be patrolling the world you're you're you're singing to the choir here . i think it's an interesting situation going back to the middle east the aggressor have lost i mean the united states is nor interleague base they had to pull out of turkey. the european forces are not using interleague base neither. basically when our bombs started the campaign of drawn killings in yemen look the there is out there is alters that yemen is no more dangerous to americans then that they are the point in its history who warn iran russia who are not very active when they begin
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and what abort all the later when we're invited vision actually in any way when ziad and legally when the idea of when syria indeed faced foreign intervention and it became absolutely necessary and rush to get involved and through this they i mean russia and iran they improve their credentials and what is very important of all of the points about the american intervention in syria was to beat russia and iran you know took it to the sunni arab states against iran and russia russia was accused by our all the local liberals of peak in the sides between the sunni and shias and jews in the shiites now that we have qatar which is by some strange twist of fortune and they all lie to a key and they run their system is collapsing well it's russia never going to do me good usually you know that you made a choice between the. literally when they went to russia and started to appear
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after being invited it's important to underline by the obama told. us although yeah i'll tell you. that at least lobby gags. when you have guests and there is a completely different war but it's really interesting is it again this is another major setback for the israelis and their partner in the middle east the saudis this is something where you and you know the israelis are absolutely furious when you go back to out of here they're very they're furious that iran's may have military bases in syria again another backfired. that we've seen coming out of. riyadh. this is a turning into a full scale catastrophe for them and it was of their own making go ahead out of. well israel is complaining about iran in syria as you say but what about the fact
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that israel has illegally occupied syria since nineteen sixty seven we don't hear about that now do we what we have just now from the very beginning of this cease fire that america and russia with jordan reached in respect of the southwestern frontiers of syria the litmus test for its success or failure was always going to be the israeli reaction now israel is moaning and netanyahu moaned in france he's moaning from the hilltops he's moaning so loud he probably can't even hear the gunfire and the stones being thrown in the bodies being hold on to the pavement in jerusalem right now as we speak but they're simply worried about syria exercising its sovereign right to have relations with any partner it wants israel is a rogue state israel is a country that not only moans about other countries having partnerships while failing to acknowledge its illegal occupations of solving nations but they also try
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to give the idea is that i have to jump in here in america and rather i have to jump in here gentlemen we have to go to a short break and after that short break we'll continue our discussion on stories in the news stay with our. politicians do to. put themselves on the line to get accept the reject. so when you want to be president. or some want. to go right to press the right before three in the morning can't be good. i'm interested in the wives in the. flesh. with lawmakers manufacture conservatives to the public well. when the ruling classes to protect themselves. the family.
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welcome back to crossfire who are all things considered i'm peter lo we're discussing stories in the news. ok let me go back to adam in london i started the program by saying that we do real news i want to do a real news story that hasn't gotten much coverage in the mainstream what's been going on in eastern ukraine or as some people would say translated into russian little russian i'm sorry translate into english little russia is come into existence what's the story there in a nutshell adam go ahead. well the story started in sixteen fifteen and something called true love and this is with russia was invited by the local cossack spark into what was always historic russian land to fight poland and take it back and that's what it did the more southern regions called norval to see it were taken
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from turkey more and more of the matter and it's good you bring as much can you bring it's much closer to the present what's going on there ok so i don't. know you know it ok you don't have to show up on this program or what's the significance of this there has been some kind of declaration of sovereignty what's going on go ahead. so last week the leader of the don't yet speedballs republic alexander. he declared the state of of model c. or little russia now the declaration was important for the historic reasons obviously and it's important also because it shows the penultimate rejection of. many of its allied individuals representatives from places like called of or another regions it shows that they all have signed a document that says the kiev regime represents a failed state but what's the most interesting thing is that this declaration isn't
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all that different from the minsk agreement which both sides in the current conflict are supposed to be adhering to both call for self-determination both call for recognition of multiple indigenous languages both call for total cessation of violence and both call for a return to civil government so the problem with the minsk accords as this declaration really reveals isn't that they're on reasonable or unworkable it's that the main priority to them the kiev regime is so unreasonable ok and so frankly look at. moscow's reaction the kremlin's reaction was very tepid they said this is a personal personal initiative. they know they're not standing by and what's going on not on a limb off call but that you will grant you know all the other center of. resistance so they also said we were warned about we have not been you know that well i think the statement from mr zahar janica was emotional and i understand where it comes
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from you know the problem is that the following ukraine was used. by a group of people who do not represent the majority the majority of ukrainians their group has almost lost elections their only election that they would like russian liberals was in two thousand and five when you shouldn't be forced to rerun all the elections thanks to the western and there was a doctor commission which consisted of his people and they declared him the victor in general they all of us wanted actions because there are more people leaving it would. let me do this when exactly i did not why now what's going on now it's linked to i was invited by the hushing corps government to one of my. t. tuition is difficult for people living in the dinner in the in my opinion. to show that the means every month are not working so you must propose something to the people the first think you propose is economic integration with russia its
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abode and lost when it is already happening you know any it is a real challenge thanks to. those eleven full day out all of us sort of as a physical sink it is a fun thing it's ok we respect the agreement but we will change we want we want we want to lift ukraine but we will change the composition of the country and there will be something like you know during the twenties when the capital of the. soviet your queen was completely different in my opinion it's something that. told for its population and for the kremlin to terrorism do something because. it is a topic is a very it was over there we go back there and i mean this is just a reflection of the reality on the ground more or less the mean way because of this
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blockade the lugansk have no choice but to deal with russia that's where they get their food imports i mean all kinds of legal things now that they have that like you know registering births and deaths and and even even i think that a driver is highly unlikely to get out of here this is a reflection of reality on the ground and really to get here and the west to really implement the minsk accords or start something different go ahead well i think it's high time to start something different because it's just it's just incapable of enforcing anything let alone the means could cause and i think one positive development in respect of reactions to the model to see a little russia declaration is how little has been said from the united states if the obama was in the white house victoria nuland head would have exploded when the word small little see it came out of goes about the silence from washington the
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americans under trump they don't really care about sixteen fifty four and all this other stuff they really don't this could be a good thing because it might allow for the regime in kiev to collapse not true the and then for some sort of negotiated peace to come into play which may actually look a great deal like the mother will see a declaration names aside but what's more important than the name is what actually happens and that this historic area is brought into a unitary or bit of cooperation democratically of course with between russia and what is now called became a german guards economic sense. it makes sense but i think with little russia what we see is also of the collapse of the myth of putin who is their grass and who wants all ukraine for him so all at least the russian speaking region see if you if you remember two thousand and fourteen when the whole thing started with crimea and gone bust the western press was full of maps like russian speaking regions of
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ukraine are in the east in the southeast in the sols grainy and in the southwest interest news do you have a russian speaking and believe so putin wants to unite them all now we have a suggestion for ask him to do just that and wants that reaction from more school we haven't authorised it which to do that means because there is one thing that the western public should understand the more than russian the leadership is not about expansion it's not about territorial gains they want to have good business relations with the west they want to leave when they want to save borders what country are they want to have safe borders the yes but they're not about you know when the kyrgyzstan had their rebellion they invited the russian troops in two thousand and ten and they love your hopes never good living there and the west was surprised i remember that was that people had been surprised and simply they didn't know the irony of it with the russians hopefully the russians would invade i
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couldn't get my head around that one ok exactly what's the mistake about the western response to this because i think it's really interesting is anybody interested in ukraine anymore i don't think so i think everybody is tired and if you look at the meeting between. poroshenko i'm sorry but it was embarrassing it was like a slave is always smiling like can you do it and when when luck or. what you want which was for me everybody is tiring of ukraine but to underline that there is a milestone in one year is a parliamentary election that will completely change the syncs because. of course nationalists would slows the smaller. strategic. positions and. b. which is a real never known as this is a president of the parliament it will be completely. changed because. failure. will fade so. parliament and so it could be
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or maybe we are at this time and there surely is unrest so. so we mentioned this on this here we have the new address system adam here i was looking at the national interest which i think sometimes has some very interesting articles. that suggest readers take a look at it but you know this sudden dawning that all my goodness these right wing militias could be a threat to the government in kiev we've been saying that for five years on this program ok now we've already got everybody and waking up to it and then we don't you know it's holding their nose is that we shouldn't be we should keep our distance from it now they actually were part of creating this mess in ukraine and now they don't have the interest in a problem they created go ahead adam in london well sometimes it's best not to have the north and his joy in the fire brigade as an act of prepared and which is what america and the e.u. fixing the problem would amount to indeed the biggest threat to the regime in kiev
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is not from any foreign actor and it is not from the don't yet to go on script publics it's from the fascist elements who think i hope you're sitting down everyone when you're watching this that the government in kiev that it's not quite extreme enough that it's not waging total war but it has and proudly proclaim the genocide that you can you people on the streets of members of the. right sector or talking about constantly and it's these people who have engaged in political assassinations it's these people whose videos of them beating the hell out of politicians all over youtube throwing them in dumpsters and cetera and it's these. people who are going to be my dorm two point zero speaking of turkey one of my favorite quotes is from tolkien said they go as they come but going to. go ahead well i would just remind you of that again
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the nationalists have never won almost elections in ukraine and that's why a project is about there if you look at the map you know when there was democracy in ukraine in the east ninety percent of the people voted for the quarter interest and for the regions in the west ninety percent of the people voted for the nationalists but the point is that the current government is so weak you know the reason of why they cannot fulfill that means courts let me remind you in all the first of august two thousand and fifteen where the ukrainian or rather started discussing you know that special status for the bus group of right wing extremists staged a demonstration near their other one of them through a green the kenyan three policeman and then even then minister of interior of ukraine and other crazy a nationalist walk up he came out and he said where fazed by fascists and the as just. as the same times because it was these demonstrations the minister
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told that it's some accommodation the autonomy of the nation not an obligation right out of time gentlemen many thanks to my guests here in moscow and in london and thanks to our viewers for watching us here are to see you next time and remember. when i last saw. seemed wrong. to shape out. the cuts to the ticket and in. equals betrayal. when so many worlds apart. to look for common ground.
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