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that i've ever met in my life and you continue to do it now we have sanctions for sanctions we have once president trump signs it once when we all assume that he will he is essentially handcuffed himself when it comes to relations with russia under these sanction bill he has to go to congressional committees to move forward his agenda in russia within which seems extremely unlikely where are we and are we in a cold war two point zero zero zero minutes or are you always trying to find some positive story i know you're really well known for in other words reduce the terms are right you know it's up to or give the bankers saw i get mine. so if you're positive signals first of all what you want to avoid of course it's military confrontation and people. start talking syria. positive is the u.s. stop this crazy cruise maybe the dangers or even criminal support for
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a so-called moderate rebels because we know once your view for reference to moderates some powers this goes for some power it up and so it's not so moderate and you know i mean cynics would say that was in part of the plan it was intentional they are literally allied. with al qaeda who are that is there's no question about it it's off our list i mean that's what i said last week you mean the u.s. the u.s. still has a really meaningful military footprint in syria just because the cia operation were officially told i don't ever believe anything official or unofficial in terms of cia and its very nature let me let me go to you let me let me read something that secretary of state tillerson said about these things as here the near unanimous votes for the same actions legislation in congress represent the strong will of the american people really do see russia take steps to improve relations with the united states is a very. strange sentence i will continue with in the secretary of state we hope
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that there will be cooperation between our two countries on major global issues and these sanctions will no longer be necessary i have no idea what he's trying to say here well i think he's trying to be diplomatic here basically says don't pay a big despise the sanctions where we're going to talk. that's not the big deal but i suspect that both. are kind of scandalized by by this union over a quarter gross and then we do. you know said that the fact that you know this they decided moralists to the street are a little i mean you know how unanimous is that of the american people i take issue with it what i wouldn't take issue is there's a unanimous view in the liberal mainstream media and the political classes of both major parties that seems clear to me mark it's very interesting that there's no sense of causality here russia is reaction to sanctions that the u.s.
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put on russia and we had seven months. there where the russian side looked at the u.s. would have a change of position it didn't it lost patience and under diplomatic rules russia was supposed to retaliate if we have to keep rounds of sanctions in getting water here because this this latest round of russian counter sanctions is a response to obama's last sanctions on his way out the door in order to try to and that tie the hands of the trump regime when it comes to cooperating or detente with russia now when these new sanctions imposed by congress over donald trump's heads russia will have an entirely new and different reaction to that which will not be small but you kind of scoop my own notes out and it's a ridiculous statement out of such dichotomies and tautologies coming out of someone's mouth i don't think it. one's heard it since maybe torquemada was sitting
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next to the people he was torturing as he turns the screws i'm only doing this to improve our relations but. remember you know. various. boards police are now we have sanctions it's positive thing is for sure but gentlemen i'm what i think is interesting in the big. there's always the lack of trying to understand the other side during the cold war there was that effort to put yourself in the other guy shoes this is not happening right now the fact of the matter is vladimir that russia will blow all. of these sanctions like they did once before and we act accordingly this perception in the west that russia is i fully isolated is nonsense it is not isolated it is looking it will looked for new places for new people and new relationships and that's how international relations work i think. i would
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spend some time with it because basically the sanctions we view them as does russia but is. trying. to those kind of scandalized by that they basically say that we have this activist congress we're going to tell the president of the united states what to do in terms of foreign policy and this is kind of outrageous so he's trying to sort of square this circle he's trying to say we're still we will be in charge we're still want to talk to you so he said saying he's basically saying it's not our decision but we have to go along with. it and this is like. a great degree that the mystic quote of the that is exactly you know the interesting thing is against we try to step back here on this program. russia meddled in the american election russia the american election there are investigations going on now we have the public isn't been given any kind of proof but the u.s. government in congress has already made its. john it's conclusions when we have no
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conclusions whatsoever i mean that this is the folly of all of this here you again act before you know what the what the facts are on the ground and they're not interested in facts because none of them have really been produced the socks out from under my bed. but the bottom line is all of these accusations there is no evidence presented there can't even be any evidence because neither the f.b.i. the n.s.a. the cia the office of the office of the director of national intelligence no one actually looked at the purported scene of the crime that democratic national committee servers where e-mails were supposedly hacked by russia wiki leaks says they got them from a whistleblower and then these emails exposed to the d.n.c. and the hillary can come main colluded to rig their own primary to have hillary clinton elected and that is what this is all about and since the scene of the crime
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was never investigated there can't possibly be any evidence but i think a lot of mayor is absolutely right that this is the russian government even referred to it pascoe have said that this is an internal domestic strife in the united states was that donald trump is an effective captive in the white house and the way the foreign policy has outraged admitted in the headlines what we've been talking about on the show for months the war over who controls us foreign policy has begun and that's a lizabeth rosenberg you know what's interesting and you know you you have you live in the swamp if i can say that but what's really interesting to me is that like weapons of mass destruction in iraq is that even people that question the. the media approach the message of the russian conspiracy it's people have already absorbed it. russia did something against the united states and it was
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meaningful and it needs to be you need a reaction to it and then in a sense the mainstream media even though they trip over themselves they make all kinds of mistakes they have to make retractions they say idiotic things but they have succeeded in their message it's really quite remarkable well you for your. approval rating for congress. it's now around twenty percent so. i think it's another positive sign the body reached for a thirty percent approval rating. over foreign policy which according to constituent belongs to the president and i don't know maybe some bloggers consider a lot of should see if this is kind of the evolution of u.s. constitution will you know able to predict or considering the way the president is to. be behaved these of the his attorney general i mean you would have he would have found an ally like jeff sessions were able to say something like that and then
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talk about that later in the program here. and we go from here i mean you know you you're a person that was born in the soviet union moved to the united states and you know who would have thought you know you were probably in this in in here and. there how does that happen it's the way they said. i recognize the pattern of decline which united states goes and i think they don't want to face it they don't let it go that's why they created this cable so it's much better to watch it is an easy escape. for additional it falls into the you know the recent very interesting article by a great scholar. allude to a quote says that basically if you look at united states you know more the hope of religion can't afford a new car. defined by cars so. they will not go to support such a school candide if they want to go for. maybe for board but i think by to
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establishment republican party they don't look at the night so that the seniors that may stick trying to divert the attention they tried to rush rush of course have to walk kind of. and they have progress to realize that you know this is american domestic well this is. just let me go to mark in thirty seconds here mark i mean where is this going and do you agree with cold war two point zero. well let me just say that i've kind of reversed the vladimir's i'm a dissident from the u.s. who immigrated to russia i'm the. new energy surge and we're going to be any cold war since probably since august of two thousand and eight possibly as early as back as two thousand and three two thousand and five with the color revolutions that failed in ukraine and georgia but i prefer to think of it not as an ideological struggle left. to democracy capitalism but as a great power conflict hold on one that we're going to go to a short break and after our short break we'll continue our discussion on new
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sanctions stay with r.t. . make it is that he's if a seed or a seed you'll see. so if you have this is just going to come. and this is not going to be but. it's a big. economic development is all about numbers really pleased to report this quarter we are one hundred six points. but what do we know about the other figures. well. think about the fact that our c.e.o.
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mike du made over twenty million dollars last year more than one thousand times the average wal-mart a says c.n.n. with all due respect i have to say i don't think that's right. just tell a free market works. people went from pretty simple financial lives pre nine hundred eighty to the point now where people are. just totally submerged in their financial accounts and they're all in debt and what exactly devoid society. the part of the government tried to do both at nestle maybe. it might be making things worse. by saying this is not how capitalism works this is. hopelessly disastrously wrong kind of financial survival job that it was all about
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money laundering first visit this christmas is just a different. oh good this is a good start well we have our three banks all set up here maybe something in your something going to america something overseas or the cayman islands or do all of these banks are complicit in the kleptocracy we just have to deal with oh it's a need to do some serious wounds are ok let's see how we did well we've got a nice luxury watch for max and for stacy oh beautiful jewelry and how about. luxury automobile again for max you know what money laundering is highly illegal. much keyser of course. welcome back to cross talk where all things considered i'm peter lavelle to remind you we're discussing the. sanctions.
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ok marc let me go back to you and we opened up a can of worms is this cold war two point zero and i think it is and you were nuancing it go ahead yeah i think it's more of a great power conflict if we take a look at it from a realist international relations theory paradigm because while all of this is going on we have to remember that these sanctions target not only russia countering america's adversaries through sanctions act russia iran north korea it actually sanction syria again as well it also sanctions the european union you have to actively this is i think that's what effectively this is what it does in the sense of so there's multiple players in this while all this is going on the u.s. this week twice fired on the radio and ships in the gulf of mexico that was not the gulf of mexico that was about the persian gulf from here so here all persia they were playing games of chicken with the chinese in the south china sea were firing
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ballistic missiles. tat with north korea were playing these games in syria were a betting another. might the revolution attempt in venezuela this is this is global great power conflict and it's the u.s. it was ideological russia and the rest of the countries in the world that would fold them for not having an ideology i think that weakens them but they rely more on culture and civilization then this is the liberal ideology of the us versus the rebuilding it's old it's a liberal out of you know it is very aggressive it's not going to mean weigh in on that because you know you left the soviet union when it was a very ideological place what it would have now of course had there with the collapse of the soviet union in you ideology came into being the united states this exceptional country you know little control of the wall. all right said a higher than they were and we can simply because all we can. sure do you know what
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so this unilateral approach was very short personally by the way i think it was and we see this being it's crumbling it's crumbling but we have this new plays. on the block from china to russia then i'll take it any more and united states rather than sort of change in trying to recognize certain realities that there is a multi you know what should be. a low and they persist and i think that's that's the ideology you know and you know you've watched this this bilateral relationship very closely one of the things that i find very interesting is that you have for political leaders in the united states and particularly the liberal media uninformed liberal media very bombastic statements about russia particularly in. president vladimir putin but you don't see the only other on the other side you don't see that kind of bomb but basically from what i get and i'm paraphrasing here the russian foreign ministry they're waiting for the americans to come to their senses ok but i mean for you know
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a rival in an adversary russia rhetoric is a quite mild in comparison to the american hero it's pretty sad because for the first media progress always was kind of a symbol you know of. you know integrity and all of that now i think if you can see it. that the u.s. media mainstream lost its virginity. and. now russian media it was kind of belatedly i think mark. actually media of course it's not soft but we were talking about leaders every leader whether it's pushing or lobby or any school for that you're the tough talk some type foods but they always say yes but be open be open for cooperate we understand the world challenges on the. we are
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short work together because here is this from us media or us politicians you only hear is from the russian side that's what i think russia is not this kind of variance to position of this kind of a more. sympathetic to it should be to you going to american people the problem is a mainstream media they will never get that message that's that's the problem the filter is over it is there and they do and they demand well thank you and they demand to be the filter ok i mean they are the. protectors of this ideology to make sure that the american people only hear one message here should be use what more are fighting it all for us let's let's take a look at what the u.s. media is framing this ideological debate they're trying to say that trump in russia represents some kind of cobol conspiracy a international ideological movement that is reactionary against what against liberalism against the a liberal had germany and this is the political frame of reference for everything
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that the western mainstream media which is overwhelmingly liberal and the foreign policy commentary at the blog looks at it we no longer have conservatism we no longer have left these have been really framed and reworded as. liberalism and authoritarianism right and this is an attempt to d. legitimize anything and everything in the political sphere except for a liberal it sounds very very soviet to me and i mean and how would we have a counter reaction to it i mean in the last few weeks on fox's primary week they show now with tucker carlson we have seen him going back and forth with interviews with max blumenthal a lefty told gabbert a marine corps vet and congressman woman from hawaii who is it was a staunch left democrat with glenn greenwald who is a big. even so in
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a few months ago no one and this is where this technocratic liberal center has forced conservative voices on one side and left voices on the other they're having to reach around and suddenly we have more in common than we thought we did particularly on the issues of foreign policy and military. that's a very interesting one and i think you're absolutely right but these people are a lot of the people that mark just mentioned are very prominent well known widely respected but they become demonized as well for changing their position that is really quite remarkable when i think of the names that mark just mentioned there are these people earned their good name for a reason and now they're being torn down this demonisation just saw that i would go back to the nazi when they came up with this kind of you know to to to scapegoat they came up with this sort of. judeo bushies on the one hand taking the group of people do it on the other hand is butchers somehow their mood what they don't like
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know this or they don't they don't. so they try to merge it with try to democratize it try to make it to the wall say to me it is despicable you know that i read the whole of the modern day liberalism is intolerance. and i think they walked. the walk on to they have just the demise which is i had but but i know that it's a whole wall there's a big wall there india china they're not buying this stuff anymore europeans are buying that's not anymore so i think it's pretty rare for local consumption or for local media which you know he was speaking earlier about syria there's a lot of international issues that major countries like the united states and russia. could work together on with this sanction new sanction bill here and this very odd statement that i read from secretary tillerson this. very rhetorical but
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at the end of the day to think that they're going to get down and work together on issues of common concern this is just you know this is just for show it shows because we were talking before the program is that you know something must be done so it has been done now we have to move on well if i'm trying to be optimistic mark i go i don't do but. if i read it it's pretty. clear all those papers lately it's very a saying to mony a little i can't believe this sanctimonious and i'm going to google language and sanctimonious is the way i see is going to authorize it to implement a so it's not like there are demands. already adopted so it's up to trump to make a decision to dump them i think that's another positive you see if we turn it from some positive signals so but if. they're in this unlike the europeans the europeans
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that it's a smart way when it comes to sanctions they they agreed to continue the medicine six more a six month interval in the u.s. case you have to have a vote in congress which i think will never ever happen i'm ok take it you're ok exactly but what we could see here mark is that if particularly the germans and the austrians if they see that their energy security is threatened by these sanctions and coming out of washington they didn't take in into regard their interest here we could see the europeans not only refuse but we tally eight we're going to see it first. because the europeans will go all that we know and well i mean there were no no no not with energy security they're not going to just give up and buy a very expensive l.n.g. from the united states no no no they're not going to do that so far we don't hear anything. on the other threatening is going anti american sanctions so far we don't hear what exactly the. have you know we haven't heard any specifics but we have
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heard so words come out of younker the president of the european commission joint statements out of the the german and austrian chancellor's office they're all they're all concerned about their energy security because this bill because the u.s. and russia don't do a whole lot of business with each other this is a massive bill it sanctions mining energy banks defense intelligence shipping but russia and the u.s. don't do a lot of trade together so the euro is going to do with your target other countries and their business with russia and this is why europe depends for russia on over thirty percent of their energy supply and that's growing so this the house foreign affairs committee official statement on this ten reasons you should support this bill is it helps bolster europe's energy security and it does it all because it just the opposite again improves cooperation with our allies the russian influence in europe the europeans while are screaming that you're infringing on our interns
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security you're trying to tell us what is in our own you know what you know the enemy has been doing this to russia first so that is why you know again it's not it's not presented honestly in western media that is why there and dish and all pipelines to germany directly from russia because the country that is the biggest risk to european energy security is ukraine i'll give you the last twenty seconds. after sort of realize this didn't sink in the you know when they had this done cool you know victoria nuland was there people said what you will think she was there would have say screw you this deal it's continuation over time. but they still think the u.s. has they don't mind it should sink in well this is what happens when you when you go down the postmodernists road and you give up your saw when you're in trouble you don't have any recourse gentlemen we've run out of time many thanks to my guests
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here in moscow and thanks to our viewers for watching us here r.t. see you next time and remember. in case you're new to the game this is how. the economy is built around. washington the washington post media the media over the voters
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