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you cannot get the best image in a fast. was harder to create create a better world not to talk about. newly printed faceted have these. exciting about. at last visiting venezuela you can see how better world is being created. speak to the person. that sharing a stage with the late hugo chavez well joining me now is that list in filmmaker john pilger his latest film is called the coming war on china john thanks for coming back on before we get to the world in may and what did you make of jeremy cool been condemning violence on both sides in venezuela venezuela is getting the kind of attention. rightly and used because they are it's not tend to overthrow the government that's what this violence in the street is about and i think it would have been rather good of jeremy coburn had made it rather more
specific who started the violence would we in this country tolerate. an opposition in the cold for the violent overthrow of the government the cold the military to rise up a media cold cold on say let's say the b.b.c. calling for a coup against the government in why i told you and the prime minister in the ten downing street of course not yes there is violence on both sides but i would suggest that most of the violence comes from something that has never gone away and that is monopolies that control seventy percent of the capital and economic power in venezuela wanting to get rid of a government that is not a socialist government it's a social democratic up and there's done some very interesting i can quite see significant. and things for poor people who were regarded in the pasta as white
south africans used to regard the majority in that country being. cooperative but there we go because what one might say but it was the reason he may not speak about the situation venezuela like you've just done is that is a policy of not speaking about venezuelan ballast seems to be paying dividends he's favored to be the next prime minister in this country as well i'm not sure that the two actually together i think a lot of people were very pleased to hear germany speak up not only about venezuela but speak up about the arms trade not simply is the manifesto coals for an inquiry into britain support for saudi arabia and all the arms that britain gives it we know about it it should be an end to a commercial sales policy which was begun by a labor government then as healy set up the procurement office that began
this this multi-billion pound. enterprise profitable enterprise a britain selling arms to some of the most unsavory unnamed countries in the world so they could use them against impoverished people that show day and completely and it would be good to see. to hear a labor leader say that but then he has these own problems within the party we should say very quickly because i would think most of his employees people who would be. more than happy to go ahead with this arms policy more than happy to endorse a so-called independent nuclear deterrent which jeremy coburn himself doesn't op so there's a conflict within the labor party we have to recognize that we don't listen to. the
media especially our rob. treacherous liberal media and i say treacherous because there's no attempt to report what is happening in venice wherever objectively or to look at contemporary history and the truth is that and yes it will be good to hear a labor leader. elected with such hope. within his own party and as you suggest possibly the next prime minister speak up about the ok will britain obviously with that independent you did to and will support presumably any american war on russia you in your latest piece talk about other worlds may and and say that what the us congress have bust is should frighten all of us on the planet way. i don't know with the world well and i think there is such
a risk. at the moment there is such provocation the u.s. congress both houses. unprecedented almost unanimous a handful of people who voted no have voted for. what they call sanctions against russia in fact these are sanctions against europe as well those sanctions especially against germany because what they are saying is that to the germans who are dependent on russian natural gas you can deal with russia we're going to tell you in fact by the way you can have very expensive. frakt gas which will send across the atlantic but really that is these sanctions is so sweeping the macarthur guy is saying you really kongs almost come speak about them in the land of free speech liberal media says this is a great reaction in the face of trump the man jury and get
a date he wanted to get so close to russia a careless i've never been i've never known such a political pantomime the that has gone into act i'm teen. when it stopped being funny and then what children have gone just leaving the adults as these auto drivel about how russia has played such a prominent role all conspire with donald trump to put him in power that is so provocative that it ends the one oasis of sanity that we've had from trump and that's he didn't want to go to war with russia i mean where did this come from i have a midnight will to figure it out but it's the one it's the one side to trump that is being consistent. but he didn't want to go to war with russia he want to go and talk to putin about not going to war with russia to doing a deal the rest of trump what is like a cartoon version of previous as rail of this is
a deep state coup against over trying to forge partnership with those there's a rolling coup attempt against the president of the united states the moment there's no question about that they want him out all the major pillows of power in the united states plus the democratic party plus most of the media want trump out because if you take away the whole nato backed circus serious cause which has which is lined up on russia's western border a completely threatening presence of nato forces. on the very borderlands through which hitler invaded russia soviet union in one hundred forty one if if you if you take that away then what happens to the great armaments com companies the
producers of the f. thirty five the lockheed martin raytheon what what happens to all those congressman who have have done sweetheart deals with the companies throughout what happens to the nuclear weapons industry what happens to the whole pyramid upon which power in the united states is is based what led to it one won't go away of course but it's threatened in the same way that a republican president ronald reagan together with mikhail gorbachev threatened it if you like by bringing in the intermediate range nuclear weapons treaty at the end which effectively ended the cold war that very treaty and. i haven't seen this in the newspapers at all that very treaty is wiped out in these latest sanctions that ends the last treaty but might stop. a nuclear attack on logic
a gradual build and reluctantly i just get them to i mean we know the drazen may had no hesitation in saying she'd press a button globe it was a loft of a note it's in this context that you read this news that. we have to go to the pacific fleet says publicly that he would be prepared to destroy the whole of china using the table is to say that publicly in in such in such a threatening to food b.s. atmosphere in the world. it it it shows the degree of irresponsibility if a nuclear war breaks out it will almost certainly break out by mistake or accident i can think for a moment but even some of the lunatics that have gone along with this is you legislation that is going for the us congress would want that really one of the truly sane american generals general james cartwright said
a few years ago he lit up a puddle that inquired into. the real risk. faced by people on both sides who have to make a decision very quickly about whether to fire nuclear weapons and they brought it down to less than fifteen minutes and the panel including general copyright agreed the obvious that it's madness. but within fifteen minutes what i just got to just quickly us jump obviously in his campaign repeatedly saying we want an end to all these foreign wars nothing can do in the face of the whole of congress the deep state let alone i don't know the you need to lead is the thing you can do about this against him trump is is a grotesque contradiction he says he says that but he pursues these wars as well it's the one who normally is wanting to. to have
some peace deal with russia atlee conspiracy people would say ah that's because he's packing them back or putting him in the white house or something ridiculous like that but. but but looking at trump's record trumps record is pretty appalling . he's a bit of a wimp compared with obama. having put american interests wars including the longest war in it's in the history having increased the development of nuclear. warheads more than any president since the cold war obama's record was a little soup a whole trump has a long way to catch up with his preacher such so that's why i really should stall simply looking at trump the trump as a kind of symptom and i mentioned earlier a character true almost a cartoon version of a system a system that has produced people that have almost brought us to the edge of
nuclear war joe thank you he woke up after the break we speak german can we film festival will soon as he switches from the matrix just started to see a film about marine biologist jacques cousteau foretold global environmental catastrophe by diving in the depths of. all the symbol of this season finale of going on. this transition so that your batteries and the steel energy paradigm is really remarkable is happening quite rapidly and totally facilitated by this network
economics that's transforming the global economy and central banks are fading currency is fading electricity batteries are battery technology is. so it's really a huge pot defining transition to a new a new world and china is positioning themselves right. social environment. right. chemical discoveries over the last century made every day life easier but at what cost this is cereal is exceptionally sick. no wonder it's confidential. says since the years old industrial giants reap the benefit. caused by chemical production. you know as if these people aren't people just experimental animals. the toxic environment
continues to poison lives and we found these astronomically high levels of backs and levels that my staff think maybe some of the highest levels ever found in the united states for almost thirty years this very serious problem had not actually been addressed what will that investigation into the chemical industry secrets revealed. this despicable. welcome back to a peer reviewed journal nature is published in the past few days there is a ninety five percent chance of the earth will heat up two degrees centigrade or three point six degrees fahrenheit within the next seventy years or thereabouts aside from possible implications that include the twenty first century ravaged by wars for resources and the displacement or death of tens of millions there are lethal knock on effects for the world's oceans are given a new single person educated the planet about seventy percent of the earth more
than jacques cousteau french naval officer explorer a conservationist filmmaker innovator scientist photographer author and research jacques cousteau's life itself. rated the new film the odyssey directed by jerome soule starring as cousteau is an actor recording artist and director known around the world for his roles in the matrix films lamb bear wilson he joins me now welcome to going underground to what i'd like portraying a father son relationship in a film which then so obviously pivots to the fate of the planet itself i think it's a relief to concentrate on the only one subject father son relationship when you're talking about a man who's known as close to because you avoid the typical bio pic shore which can be boring and by concentrating on the father son relationship you reveal a lot of the facets aspects of his personality of course his personality. his. brilliance see and at the same time his selfishness and his or solitude nature and
his sense of desire to control his own territory he's. so i mean we all know about under the in the oceans basically humanity knows about what's happening under the oceans to a huge extent because of jacques cousteau we breathe underwater because if you sue and this is a lot of it will take for granted really really truly because we forget that he invented the famous aqualung in the forty's in one hundred forty three you know and that's and it's not a little accomplishment. when he was the first one to film underwater and sprayed those images through television and before that for cinema. the cannes film festival in the sixty's for the world of silence. we owe him a lot of things i'm not saying this because i studied him and i portrayed him i was part of a generation that grew up with him watching his films every week or every fortnight
and he gave us a sense of adventure he gave us a sense of fun also because what he was doing with you. no his crew onboard calypso seemed you know very french everybody was drinking eating occasionally running after a dolphin or whale but it's just. the first reality t.v. show it was the first to absolutely and he was a very clever communicator had a great sense of. you know he invented the red beanie because he wanted to kill it so member and you're wearing a number yes. he wanted the crew of the calypso boat to be identifiable straightaway so he is an old thing that used to be worn by people going under water in these big. metal things that used to have the beanie under to protect themselves and he used that simply as a it was modern marketing in a way so he said he was a genius but then there's a slow burn through the film until you get to
a line like. you speaking as jacques cousteau's way that the elimination of materialism is required to save the planet that's a sudden change that comes in the middle of the ville yes i think changed his views about the planet itself ok cousteau is. representative of man's rapport to nature at the end of the twentieth century in the fifty's when he starting diving in filming he's a predator he learned how to dive in order to kill fish and when he's starting to film he uses fish as material to make sensational images in the sixty's you observe that all the fish that he's been filming in the forty's late forty's have disappeared he starts becoming a little aware and then through a major revelation held by his son felipe who was an activist and economical activist he called him a militant militant he goes to an tajik out and realizes that instead of just.
taking the world filming the world he needed to protect the world and then he embarks on this new. period in his life in which he's going to alert the public and he's going to be a whistle blower on ecological issues and through him everything was linked to capitalism the the guilt was on the side of capitalism he was very very pessimistic he never allowed himself to express his pessimism in front of the cameras he did so in his book he was very dark he thought that man was not going to . realize quickly enough how fragile it all was and so he was you know he was he was you can have much hope here you didn't see much pessimism in the village the usual was vacillation ironic and you portrayed this in
the film that we owe big oil company it's a little bit as a result i wouldn't see all of it as how ambivalent the character was which is the reason why in france unlike in america or maybe in other countries of the world too in france is. it is still attacked for his ecological actions in the in the fifty's compromises he needed the money to be a good deal the numbers of everything from and simply to to move the boat and so he got his contract with british petroleum to help them find oil wells in abu dhabi and so he contributed to the destruction of the environment in the in that part of the world but he spent the rest of his life. making this major mayor cool part and so i think it's very unfair that he should be criticized on his attitude in the fifty's you know he refused to have the famous film the world of silence which you
want to go as i was saying he refused to have it altered he could have removed a few images to give himself a better image no he took full responsibility to show. oh the world that this was the attitude in the fifty's that you could use dynamite to get items of samples of fish to study or that you could use young baby whales as a bait for sharks in order to film great scenes he wanted to say this is how we did it the world was our oyster we didn't ask ourselves any questions but now we do and we will have to more and more russia's vladimir putin has just made a twenty seventeen year of a call a g. china supporting russia's marine protection area then talk to that's what they say . what do you think jacques cousteau would think of these big was talking about it really because jacques cousteau and the film is not giving it away because joe and
antarctica and preservation are where we completely antarctica is preserved because of the action of. in the late eighty's in the ninety's he went to visit all the heads of states to extend a moratorium that already existed extended until two thousand and forty eight. but he actually worked very hard and he started with the australian prime minister and then went he was irritated in washington the big oil companies are telling our elected leaders and the general public that they're doing what they can what would be saying about so-called green washing and corporate law here ok i think that was clever so he made he wanted things to be possible he wanted accomplishments to be made so presumably in c o p twenty one he would've agreed on the. the compromises the arrangements that were made. thank god we have in
france at the moment the equivalent of a cousteau who has does not have such an international profile as close to did but we have nicola you know that has just. and hired by. as. minister of the transition towards ecology which is interesting as a terminology which proves that france intends to really shift its policy as far as you don't think a macro government would bomb a green peace rainbow warrior ship protesting nuclear testing that sort of that's a tricky question i think that france france still has a tendency to protect national interests. particularly as far as nuclear activity and grow is doing nuclear submarine simulation just the other day showing the. action of the protection of the national military
institutions i think france has a tradition of going all the way you know we are a nuclear force i've just finished a film in but i just where we have some of our nuclear submarines it's very impressive we ignore that part of the reality but actually it's there and very often goes to brittany but it was front will be the only nuclear power in the european union when britain leaves it absolutely so i think. until the day you know who is the minister of environment decides to leave because he disagrees i think my calling will want to have a green policy simply because you can only do is an incredibly popular figure in france he is the figure former journalist the figure of and environment they've already had a feud about you know those. chemicals that kill. you
know negative noise actually i can never know that even in french nobody when you know won so so far and you could i would know if you gave initial support and knew to young the judge of the green body but i did. because you do and i had worked together at greenpeace he was the director of greenpeace before he became. a european parliament member and because i wanted the. ecological questions to be raised within the presidential elections and then he is associated himself with the socialist and then he got absorbed and so i. didn't continue supporting him. the ecological issues have not been tackled so much during the french president presidential elections my quiz catching up and i think it's and it's an incredible coup in france that he should should have got. everybody trying to get in you cannot go and you could have presented himself as well for the presidential election so he had what he has all that at the macro as a technocrat his new liberalism which candidate is allied to goldman sachs and
financial institutions you think jacques cousteau whatever your optimism about the new french president. i think. was a realist and anyways i associated himself with with some politicians i think that it's very early days he was. i think he was he was a great diver and swimmer politically ducker and ever yes exactly it's very early days with michael i think the great thing for us is that he is a very very intelligent man and he's absorbing many new forces including you lou is a great example of what michael has up his sleeve so i don't think that you can reduce into just. the banks and liberals and maybe the crisis will happen and i didn't intend to have a political comes in but fronts clearly the key discussion will be in september
when the code of work the though the work legislation is going to be discussed then this is when he will. clearly define. in his position and maybe again the country will come to a halt we dream of progress and we dream of. movement in france and every time quite right he's questioned we hit the street and we paralyze the country so we have pretty complicated by wilson thank you and you can see the odyssey in cinemas across the united kingdom from just the eighteenth and that's it for the show and for this season i'm going on the ground but will be back with a brand new season on saturday september the second pill that will be replaying your favorite episodes for this season if you can still keep in touch all the while by social media users. here's what people have been saying about rejected and. just pulled. the only show
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