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makes a deal with the d u p a political group previously linked to protestant paramilitaries some argue it's like jeremy corbyn had won they'd become a british prime minister in a coalition with fame previously linked to the ira coming up in the show we caught up with the cost of political power tagging this from you gives nigel farage the boss of britain's biggest union. as well as jeremy corbin's shadow chancellor john mcdonnell to ask about thursday's bizarre general election john what do you think your electoral game say about monopoly media power in britain in terms of the way we've been treated by the written press generous to say the least some of the most vicious personal attacks that i've ever seen on a politician in some ways that's what you expect expect that from some of our press i think what offended a large number of people is the way they also went for our families as well which is unacceptable i think and people have rejected that and i think they're projected it so they've cut through all of that and instead because we get legislation we get
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relatively balanced broadcast media coverage fasten a verse to cut through an override that bias in the process if i was a newspaper editor. in the murdoch empire or whatever thinking of years page after page after page for nearly six weeks of demonstrations jeremy called and and it hasn't so maybe i'm with i just got back to reporting the news that would be quite helpful for up democracy the balanced media broadcast restrictions are now ended there that the election has happened you expect the broadcast media to continue to be as fair to you i would expect them to live up to the standards that the general public now now want which is fair fair coverage proper debate and move away from personalities to culture and policy and whatever happens you think renationalisation of monopoly utilities and the attempt to stop people having to use food banks is firmly on the political agenda manifesto for it to be extremely popular and we tested a number of individual poll. susan powell's other did and proved to be extremely
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popular i think because people felt that their martinson of the water industry or energy industries or they felt were being ripped off and that had enough of them especially thank you very much len what do you think of the bias of the b.b.c. during this campaign well i think the bias of the media spin something has been regrettable including the b.b.c. and i hope that what will a minute shouts of this particular election as the. rejection of the negativity that the turris and the british media have tried to protract surely it's time for us to get back to come across a debate where those differences i don't know how difficult it is to take knighthoods a right but i think we can be happy that he got his knighthood last time because this time he wouldn't even get a caustic out lorica answer berger's just here was done by the b.b.c. trust for bias against corbin what did you think what did you think of the way for
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instance the b.b.c. was done by the research i just told you i didn't i didn't i didn't i don't believe that the british media in general have been if. to jeremy corbin in particular the violet attacks that he's had to put up with on july sixth literally ordinary people have rejected that santa decided to look at policies look at a decent genuine honest man and give him a rewards on the rewards i believe will be a step towards governments in hopefully the not too distant future you can now do you think aaron banks in the bad boys of bricks it taught seamus milne anything in the corbin team yes be unconventional take risks and make the public and what do you think of the european politicians your colleagues in the e.u. parliament will of would now be thinking about negotiations with a call to be hoping they'll be absolutely over the moon they will see a weakened british prime minister and they will see that already you know the indications. but the position that they're going to see. if if we're really at the
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british government really is going in eleven days time as david davis has indicated saying that perhaps we might stay. it's a big victory for the european. did it so quickly from from everyone saying he couldn't do well but i think he was what it's for c eight hundred ninety eight didn't it. investigation of you being a connection between the links and. getting them cancel that investigation after. a source a source says talking about. i think it's already i think that yes the way mr came across yesterday is that it's. going to be. myself.
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journalists and politicians. david cameron with. his thoughts on a general election which is british elites running for craig so you thought she'd win why didn't she win an overall majority i think there's going to be a huge post-mortem that goes on after this and certainly part of that is going to be you had a manifesto that had something that was deep and you had to do a u. turn within a few days. you're in a situation where the manifested didn't have any big retail policy that was saying that this is something that's really popular and you can get behind i think. really gauging that much. but in terms of debates. going out and about meeting the public i think that was quite difficult as well but it. you know what happened to you you thought you were going to lose david cameron
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was going to lose and you were well we don't quite like that we spent a lot of time in twenty fifteen getting on a bus to to the west country and really trying to win all those seats the media failed to spot it and said it's impossible for you to win in fact it wasn't impossible and everything came together and we did win what's fascinating is that you're right the reverse this time everybody thought it was impossible for it to lose and she seems to have lost in the sense that she's not got an overall majority what are the problems of an echo chamber being developing when you're sitting inside downing street i think there's massive issues here in that the commentary is getting it wrong on such a regular basis and they're basing on information that constantly seems to be a bit dodgy really so you're absolutely right to raise it is an issue who would now confidently predict elections in britain but some vindication of a few opinion polls just like maybe you go of to a point they actually predicted this but about four or five days ago and actually
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the last polls was saying that it's a pretty soon to be having a seven point. victory so nobody's coming in glory when this in terms of the commentary or in terms of pollsters because it's not down to one member jim messina who failed spectacularly with hillary clinton after being successful with obama is in a beltway problem like it was in d.c. for clinton this other. people thought the kind of techniques that we used by a bomb the first in two thousand and eight which is very very focused very very specific digital campaigning targeting people was the answer to everything and that's something that some posters have been associated with i think quite a few examples where that hasn't quite worked in a number of occasions so i think there are going to be huge questions for pollsters and political strategists in retrospect was the dementia tax a attempt to try and bring progressive politics into the body it's some might say it was to the left of corban it was definitely attempt to solve one of the biggest problems of all. which is people can't afford their futures because they're living
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longer now there is no solution to that that doesn't involve spending a lot of money and no political party is going to come up with a solution that is going to be wildly popular the problem is doing it in the middle of an election campaign when you haven't rolled the pitch you haven't prepared people for it and that turned out to be a completely disastrous thing but you wouldn't expect any other prior tory leader to bring in a policy to solve that conundrum by taking it from the. demographic votes of the conservative party i think you wouldn't expect somebody to do it in the middle of an election campaign without having reprieve rolled the page and warned people about it and that was definitely a huge mistake and the fact that they you turned a few days later was clearly seen as a huge problem because it wasn't really that much else in the manifesto that actually looked good or look strong what about the impact of terrorism because jeremy corbyn. very quick to talk about racism a cozying up to the saudis who according to wiki leaks it shows that there is
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the sourcing for isis money comes from the persian gulf it's hard to say what impact terrorism had on this election theresa may was criticised for having cut police numbers by twenty thousand jeremy corbin for having being seen by many people as being a kind of terrorists friend neither of them came out of that debate particularly well but one thing i will say was that public services and austerity certainly seems to have been a bigger issue in this election than most people thought it would be so was it the economy stupid i mean wouldn't you have told him that it's always the economy stupid in different manifestations people are concerned about public services in this country people are concerned about brakes and lots of people have got lots of interpretations about what breaks it means the truth is nobody really knows anything but we g.d.p. trends going down now wouldn't it have been better of labor wins now and then the tories can win. twenty twenty units because the economy is about to tank that's always a difficult game to play you want to win any. it's better to be able to be in power
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because you never know what's going to come so i think. the biggest issue facing this country is definitely. because they have the backing of the house. going to be. the referendum on the e.u. . you get a lot of criticism if you're. on a campaign so i think. in this case ok thank you thank you.
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what people have been saying about redacted in the us actually just full on author of the only show i go out of my way to i'm going to be rewarded for the really packed a punch oh yeah it is the john oliver of marty america's doing the same we are apparently better than food nothing better to see people you've never heard of love redacted the night not the president of the world bank go. on go write a seriously send us an e-mail. welcome back i'm
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joined now by the internationally famous comedian tom walker who plays a news journalist character jonathan pie in a world tour that starting next year tom thanks for coming by the going under a tent war zone where it is a media war zone on college great if you make of the journalists out there very similar to the john pike character where and whenever i meet a journalist they always assume i used to be a journalist and they there is always a look of recognition because the way you do it is so similar to the way the i guess it well there's always that's there's there was that particular voice as well you know you know there's always but you know there's no funny voice with me well enough and i want to do is going on with this election ok it's crazy i mean i'm a bit of a lefty so you know i couldn't i think it's a great result for late you know i decide if labor again to see until results to see when for labor what she's done rather than creating a strong and stable government she has hopefully create a strong stable opposition which i think is an amazing thing for democracy no
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matter what your politics are but when it comes to expectations are they affected here's the way that broadcasting voice of authority if you yourself with having doubts about the success of goldman's message in britain by the way they say i thought his i thought his message was loud and clear i just i wondered whether it might have been too little too late and the election the electorate are pretty fickle as we know. and i have no reason to doubt the polls this time. we didn't have any reason to doubt i suppose that the trump poll so we didn't put the brakes at polls in the last election i mean the last election was such a shock which weeks kind of forget so what do you think about to resume for when you go there with the d p one is bonkers and going to the queen. i think is the largest policy she has probably got. she's got a g t to try and form a government i guess more so than labor and i also wonder whether labor are actually in a better position to be. in opposition at the moment i wonder whether they're quite
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ready for government yet because you've got all these playwrights within the labor party that have only been up and gone jeremy corbin is all right isn't it for the first time you know so it's going to take a little while for for all the playwright some of the centrists in the labor party to finally get behind their leader you know take them a few days to get used to that. yeah few of those red so-called red tory blairite neo liberals they said to me you know war. labor would have done much better if it be known as me i think or one of those other people nonsense but what's the difference between me and smith you may as well go for may because they're too center right parties oh that's what that's what labor would be back to being a blairite new labor it would be back to that he won this election because you look at the manifesto it was his manifesto wisdom whatever your politics is his manifesto was demonstrably better and it was a socialist leftwing manifesto because he had nothing to lose and then the country
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of looked at that and gone oh my god some social housing some social equality. trying to eradicate homelessness i can get on board with that rather than strong and stable government but the labor read stories of those there say they still appear to be saying and these are the same people who sympathize with walking through the lobby with theresa may for the austerity cuts on benefits or they still thing that has to be done because most of those people in labor that say that would be out of a job today if it wasn't for corbin's campaign and actually if those people had got behind me and there is no doubt in my mind that they'd be walking into government right now but they didn't and i've i've had. anecdotal. evidence of labor m.p.'s on the doorstep thing they're late well if you haven't done that you might want to few more seats and you've been governor right now what is the scale of the treachery even if you sit there in parliament thanks to do we go with leadership was awesome. i believe them to still hate it because the reason they've
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always hated him is because he's unelectable while he's just he just. avoided a landslide against him you know that a socialist agenda does not play well with the electorate it's totally been debunked the idea that they're wrong that the centrists the blairites they are they've just been proved wrong i thought this was going to be a funny interview that's why i make love to. all the rest of it but this of course does have serious consequences in the immediate future for the national health service for the food bags and all the things you talk about your comedy routine and . how i will be able to cope with because she can't now steamroller over anything she wants you know if she does manage to form a government you've got only a strong opposition and not a strong opposition of tory lite opposition you've got a socialist left wing agenda and whether your politics is is not left wing or right wing government and
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a left wing opposition that's how our system works that's what that's when it is healthiest i'm not i'm not sure a hung parliament is it's the best thing for us but i think our democracy is in a healthy position today than it was just killing young people of your. gig yes of course people said it was the young turnout that helped so wanted to know all this some of them including for the first time what do you think they're going to make of the effect of their vote of course mainly because i think they should feel elated i think there's a lot of young people who are going to be angry now i think there's a lot of young people who might think well we didn't win the election but in my view we did it can't be underestimated the treatment when you look back at the start of this campaign there were some pundits and it was now the realms of possibility were saying the trees mate was going to walk back into number ten with a majority of two hundred well she somehow she's now all right she's still the largest party but but. it isn't dropping. she got small and never missing
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coping well. politics never ceases to amaze and when you think about the embankment not just broadcast journalism the press itself is a massive failure of the rupert murdoch and the oligarchs and. pretty much any shows the power social media i mean i'm always a bit dubious of the power of social media because i think a lot of it is just being in your own echo chamber i think but i think social media really did encourage the young people to get out and vote because they're being bombarded by all their mates go and vote vote vote vote you must cope with it in fact the conservatives that are in their own echo chamber or trays of believing choosing the way it works both ways i think i think it works both ways but you know you can't blame teresa made for looking at the polls just before she got that she called the election is going it's a no brainer let's call it the election and you can't blame people for trusting those polls really i mean what's around it is because people stick out. well then
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you get into the. shah. well now with me outside the palace of westminster makeshift studio is the broadcaster of all the liberal democrat member of parliament. break during the course of events what did you think when. you may finally released that statement saying i met the queen at twelve thirty and very quickly went on to saying after she said i am the prime minister that she would protect us from terror attacks like manchester and london bridge i don't think she's been following the election results because it gave the impression that she thought she had the legitimacy to continue as prime minister but hold on a second now wasn't it to reason they decided to cause an election notwithstanding the fact they might have been every five years by. she pulls the top off the two
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years and said i want to mandate for breakfast and then it went the other way in other words she didn't get monday which is saying carry on regardless of what she sang best of three tell me about the diva that is now part of the ruling coalition of this country her lifeline here is the democratic unionist party which is a loyalist party dedicated to keeping the north of ireland in the united kingdom there is a natural alliance between the conservative and unionist party think that's what they're technically called and the do you pay but these people are clever negotiators when i was shot at texas state for northern ireland i saw what they extracted as a deal from tony blair in exchange for votes and it comes to millions they're great at getting public funds for example. if the reason may think there's going to be a small price tag here so you can think again they are going to be intransigent because they hold the keys to power not of the trees in may but for three hundred
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eighteen or three hundred ninety nine paise. very likeable people in my view but they're not the kind of people you want to be beholden to because they'll probably win the negotiation there was some commentary on social media that there was a strange kind of hypocrisy here because tourism it criticised corbin for being a supporter of the ira when the deal. is aligned with protestant paramilitary groups in the north we all know that the ira were in direct talks with the british government up the british governments perhaps right back in the early one nine hundred seventy s. different colored governments but the same narrative how did the peace process work if not by negotiation and dialogue what's interesting though is that it didn't really affect will tarnish gary coleman more than that actually you might have got respect for it because anyone who knows a passing about peace talks knows you have to speak to the enemy because this is another irony arguably because it was prepared to speak to you publicly while
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conservatives were indeed in private maybe talking to the very same m.p.'s refuse to take of their seats in parliament they'd rather do that than maybe make. a progressive coalition with labor in the palace of westminster. would rather have a deep element in the british government than a progressive alerts dot's writes but i can explain that while the d.p. and the conservatives are in a way ironic as an alliance based on all the connections the shin saying point is about a principle which they set years ago that they were sets and not building i used to talk to them and say why don't you come in and make your cases on how we can't do that we can't do that on principle i wouldn't even begin to try to persuade them about that what ever reasons it's just their reasons if they don't like the color of the carpet whatever it is they're not going to go in there so those seven are out of play but here's the interesting consequence it means that we have got six
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hundred fifty active parliamentarians in that we've got six hundred forty two if you exclude the speaker and the seventeen fane m.p.'s that makes another two deputies three of them is actually going to read all that up until the election you double things take away the nobody first that's right and then then you produce like the call that you were thinking of at the beginning and the cards a wild card here because it basically means that series mates trying to get a majority from around six hundred four that's around three hundred twenty three hundred twenty one just gets over the line of the d.p. but what kind of a wild alliance is that they want about the liberal democrat performance a great success for tim farron establishing his leadership is someone who's going to bring back the party of lloyd george they had nine m.p.'s just before the election they went up with twelve and within that they lost five of the nine they were defending but scooped up these other seats and regained some that they had up to twenty fifteen to make up the difference that's a fact the first form of spin is it's
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a fifty percent increase well yeah four more people saying instead of be being paid ten pence for doing this interview i get fifteen pence which i would be grateful for by the way the third way of looking at. first time the number of live demo and police increased since the days of charles kennedy around two thousand and five that was a peak point but that was sixty three and pace to go up by something like four or five at a time means that to get to that level will take about fifteen elections luckily my strategy seems to have enough elections until she gets a result probably of those fifteen in the next five years it's arguable whether one can really understand the so-called red tories on corbin's backbenchers peter mandelson was just over there seeming to say he was pleasantly surprised by. what sort of fight do you think your record is going to have from the very m.p.'s that benefited from his manifesto arguably but who plainly don't share his release
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offical. that peter mandelson said he was pleasantly surprised that means he was using unrepeatable language behind closed doors about what coburn actually achieved he might only be pleased about that because coburn represents everything that new labor was against and here's the problem they've already tried to stop calling first time round he wouldn't have even had enough nominations if people hadn't felt sorry for him then they tried to get any increased his share of the vote and now just when everyone thought it was time to accept though and behold he's increased the number of m.p.'s for the first time since tony blair did in one thousand nine hundred ninety seven he's the most successful labor party leader in recent times since tony blair was never in mandelson's plan it also means that we have moved on quite roundly from the new labor agenda to. very clear left wing agenda
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he can write the ticket now and he if you place this right in a funk correct about thinking this could be another general election soon if he can portray himself as the reasonable left leaning likable prime minister and waiting. the toys better watch out. thank you. hope you enjoyed that requested favorite show from the latest season of going underground will be back with another great season of going underground on saturday the second of september but till then keep in touch via social media will still be reading lol your communication with the team.
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