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one thing i wanted to say though that i was saying about i might have been afraid to exploit it was something that i don't know about when i die but i do you know it's dated regeneration last year building that they talk about doing to all of these buildings they did it that they wouldn't only ten million pounds they're talking about and put the plastic things on there. because they want more reasons to not be on this to make it even regenerate the blocks or they could knock them down and often i'm not so sure that was totally an accident i'm not even going to lie i'm not going to lie to you could cause me to have i'm not going to lie the whole situation that's going on in this area and we got a big one on the way that they don't want us here and they put those rich man's books they don't want us here and they put those richmond's blocks over there that's from someone who lives near the grenfell tower in north kensington where half of all children live in poverty poverty being a bigger killer than any and for so with class war now firmly on britain's political agenda we're joined now by dr lisa mackenzie research fellow at the london school of economics she's the author of getting by estates closs and culture
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in austerity britain thanks so much is going back home serviceable asking me what your reaction to the resumes supporters very clearly according to the london british media report saying they don't want the london politicized. this this cannot be anything else but political this is not a natural disaster what's happened here is it's about carelessness it's about. not caring about working class people in this country housing is our biggest shame and actually has been britain's biggest shame for generations this is not new there is no political points to score here there is only the truth. about this is you know this is been my life all of my life i grew up on a council estate i have i have lived in these sort of places one more read about my child and what happens to was you know this isn't really much more than a political point but it is it is politics villages it is closer to hurricane
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katrina yes i did compare its aurukun katrina because hurricane katrina in the usa showed very clearly when the crises conditions how poor people live or what happens to them. and this is very similar to that it's it is a disaster and it's a crisis condition but it is highlighting of a political agenda that's been on the books in this country for years and years that working class people that poor people really just don't matter tony blair introduced private public partnership and social history to what the doesn't seem so much debate about that partnership in response to the ground for look for bringing the private sector into something so important how is it in with our home why is there's no point spending money on the n.h.s. or social justice or criminal justice if you don't have a roof over your head none of this works without there were visits by german government to raise may certainly neither corbin alone may advocate or would you appear to be advocating which is that empty blocks in central london luxury housing
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should be used to house those who have survived we have got this this city has got enough and i use their language units i call them homes they call them units this city has gotten. enough units to hounds probably every single person that needs a home in the city not just the people i've got no where nothing in their lives and how complicit is jeremy corbyn leading a party a labor party where london be out of the city being a labor town given the councillors and of course a lot of man city go for me this is not this is not about party this is not about political parties if you ask me a labor conservative i've got blood on there i will say that clearly there is labor councils all over the city that are actually engaging in this sort of terrible practice which is running down council estates in order to knock them down so they can get rid of the poor so the labor councils have been doing this lumbers council
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is one of the worst. lewisham council does a do you think it's difficult a journalist or a comparison would say the queen who got a sixty six percent pay rise three hundred sixty nine million pounds any refit of working a palace less than five miles away from the ground. do you think journalists in mainstream media would find it difficult of course they want me to go to court and why i've seen is journalists and talking heads and various people coming out who watch trying to talk about money chairman of property and tower blocks as if this is the problem what you said at the beginning of this many people have died from austerity this is this is about structural inequality this is about people not be valued you know their lives are not even valued quite so you know children are being thrown out of windows and just finally the psychological class impact of moving people around these people around that alone others not though because of years of of of you know a lot of territory for years right many years of art on this i've been working on
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this for four years in london and i know what happens to families. when they get moved out they they get moved out individually and they are put somewhere where they know no one the children have to start new schools that alone is a terrible burden for those families tough to carry imagine the trauma that these people have gone through and actually now they've got to share trauma that they will need each other they should they need to be kept together and they need to be looked after as a community this is the problem with politicians the media. they don't understand what community need means to people that have nothing else and these people now all they've got is each other they need to be they need to be looked after and stay together you know that's not i really hope in the next few days i do not say people be moved across london and outside when they when they held their most vulnerable resume to say london maybe london london's a big place london's you know thirty square miles. their children need to go back
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to school the children need to of their families and their friends around them this is where they live and this is where they should stay dr lee's again say thank you thank you well four years ago iconic factor right u.k. m p so david amos warned the u.k. has a commons of the importance of installing fire sprinklers in residential and care homes schools and tower blocks he was ignored dres a maze new chief of staff then i was a minister reportedly also received a fire safety review it was apparently ignored so david amos chair of the all party fire safety and rescue group joins me now via skype from southend in essex in the south east of england thanks so much favor joining us what is the all party fire safety and rescue group or what's the point of it of tourism things austerity paying off the banks losses is more important i think the ministers take the view that foreigners are of the downward trend very very few far as there are so they believe that the procedures that they have in place are
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working. there was a point of your committee them and they overruled you in effect them an hour out committee takes a different view we feel that we should be complacent and it's one thing that we feel very strongly on although today the grenfell disaster would not happen because all buildings in excess of thirty meters have to have spread because it's absolutely crazy that new schools are built today and it is not a mandatory requirement to have sprinklers it but that is absolutely ridiculous ok in a sense it's being kicked in the long grass now that there is a public inquiry announced by the prime minister spoken to gavin barr well did you speak to him four years ago do you speak to him when he was housing minister about fire safety issues he's now do you have staff to resume we certainly did but i think at this particular moment in time what we did with human tragedy i'm not into
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blaming anyone i'm simply saying that we do not know the precise circumstances of this far because the experts have said this is completely unprecedented assuming that the regulations were followed it would be possible for a fart to spread from just one flat so this is quite extraordinary until we've had the public inquiry there we don't know the exact circumstances but what we were asking for a committee is barring the lack of knowledge is asked in two thousand and thirty the coroner said that there must be an audit of the four thousand buildings and it's up to the local authorities and housing associations to proper risk assessment and then they should decide whether or not to split because retrospect of the lack of l. disaster in in london a few years ago of course as you say will have to await the results of the inquiry do you think though that tourism is chief of staff should be suspended pending the results of the public inquiry can he possibly be there in downing street when a public inquiry into issues that were on his seventy he was in. malvinas housing
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minister he can actually be there while the choir is going on well as i say the media has focused on gavin which is quite wrong because his responsibilities were only a part of this and there have been ministers labor conservative and liberal go back when all this started i don't think you'll find members of parliament when we had to stay open on wednesday point is that they got just one particular minister and i do not think that gabby's presence running the prime minister's office is going to have any effect whatsoever of a public inquiry because the prime minister has said the new minister decurtis that it will be completely independent and i take them at their word but the man who promised there would be a review of fire safety in tower blocks who will be in downing street while a public inquiry is going on and there's no problem with what he thought would be voted the public inquiry whether he's going to be called to get some stage along
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with all the other ministers i don't know but i can see absolutely no conflict of interest i absolutely respect what we've been told about this independent inquiry being held and i think nick well above all make sure that all voices and listen to what evidence is received and of course the first people that we want to hear from are are those people who have been affected by this terrible terrible tragedy all emory of the fire brigades union was on this show and said that people like boris johnson mayor of london the tory government they had blood on their hands because of the cuts to fire services in general is it do you think that the people who didn't listen to you have blood on their hands. i'm not going to get in to an argument with anyone on this issue and start responding to points which you have just made i want to respect that we hear the voice. of those
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people directly affected i don't want to be bowed to the squabble i say that we could all be wise off the event it would be wonderful to have had national and international coverage when each year we'd be raising issues about sprint because we have every year one day set aside to try to encourage people to appreciate what script is could do in terms of say did not and we got practically zilch coverage it's such a trip it's so unfortunate that it takes a terrible tragedy like this rap forces to be hurt but at least now we are being listened to and i very much hope appropriate action will be taken to be so david amos back after the break. from corporate music capitalism to us back to a multi-billion dollar not complex industry documentary filmmaker nick broomfield on how whitney houston gave a casualty in the race war for john dominance and we are in fame with it they will
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take up their seats in westminster to oppose dres m a on the deal being the government of the united kingdom all the civil coming up in part two of going on the ground. and book a clinical place called the. police a key. part . of the phone to me my mother won't get in we all heard it was ok to commit they were here and i think it . was such i didn't know pointed out to myself i don't know why he said i don't mean
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shit i don't think muslims you all think the apostles. me nuts. what is it when the swiss national bank such a bank and other such all banks on behalf of governments are now the biggest owners of stocks when japan is the biggest holder of exchange traded funds that's called nationalization that's socialism and combined with the central bank of poland bureau that is fixing the price of money it's not a free mug market for money it combined with purchases of open houses and nationalizing those assets that's correct and communism that's nationalism that's why this isn't just global economy is shrinking because the social banks amount of what danny blanchflower to our says they're not operating in ways to stoke free markets. the two thousand and eight economic crisis turn
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some countries into pigs these are the countries with we can recall them is that needed austerity policies if you are in a situation of flow bloat even the recession austerity is a very bad idea it doesn't work and it makes millions of people very unhappy those who are unemployed see their wages decline almost a decade how good of the results she saw a piece of who by the a.p. out of interest to watch the world get people to see what you are doing. the beautiful blue she was i mean to for legal. challenge nothing more than this she was always the case she found out there and not getting paid while the same mission is still in place to one of the consequences to blue bird food. will first one of the suits the truth be consider is the consequences are actually
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quite acceptable to the decision. welcome back at thirteen years since the journalist gary webb was found dead in his california home after multiple gunshots to the head ruled a suicide by a sacramento court controversy over webb's life and death continues his work on connections between u.s. agencies like the cia and crack in american in aziz to destroy left wing political movements in particular remains highly contested but what is less controversial is the impact of narcotics across us a society one tragedy amongst millions is the subject of award winning filmmaker nick broomfield latest documentary whitney can i be me we caught up with the director of london so tell to talk about one of the best selling artists of all time who was found dead in beverly hills five years ago
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a few years before the death of her only daughter in similar circumstances mick when it comes to the whitney houston film how do you go about choosing whether it's class politics or identity politics or psychology politics arguably to the fore in analyzing one person in a biographical film who i think is all relevant i mean anything in the case someone like whitney houston you can't really understand how without looking at her background which is she grew up in new york which was an extremely depressed area there were massive race riots which she lived through that had their house was actually burnt down shortly after the race riots they left the part of new they were in and moved to orange but that upbringing which was never of course emphasized by aras to records had a major impact on her life which was that she was the meal ticket for all these people to get out of new york and i think she was very loyal to her roots
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and when in one thousand nine hundred eighty eight she was booed at the soul train of awards basically by her own people for being too white. for and call whitey houston one of your interviews says she never recovered from the booing and i think that record i think she always felt that how loyalty had been challenged and compromised and that was what she really cared about i think she was actually deeply political with your last film tales of the grim sleeper you didn't get much time to talk about i know you've said on the record that south central a congresswoman talking about completely convinced that the cia introduced crack into l.a. and then right across america. well i think it was the funding you know there was a whole all of the no thing which was funding the contra war and massive amounts of cocaine was shipped out of nicaragua and mainly dispersed
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in the ghetto areas south central being the first stopping off point to destroy communism in central america but then you're talking about whitney's brother taking that was heroin but it was crack with whitney houston it was chronic and of course it went right up america wasn't just sound central conscious decision not to deliver into the cointelpro cia bad thing is there are great with me he is a great different film. which will cause very careful coverage i mean i think it's a hard pill for american public to swallow you want to frighten off it because it was very low at why we miss lee doug and i was not up to or frightened off from it i mean i've sort of slightly touched on it on the south central film i remember when i was doing the film about death row records and begin to pack they were actually funded initially by with money from harry who was one of the cocaine you
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know and crack smugglers and he gave sugar night to three million dollars to set the company up and of course away from the cia still hating on drugs corporate music capitalism if you mention one of the people mentions that try she should be made to do barbra streisand whitney houston rather than doing anything like funkadelic yeah i think or have a good incredible thing is in those days in the early eighty's record companies had a black division and a white division and obviously black division was are being gospel on what was more pop so these guys were trying to groom whitney for a white audience so there was this idea of crossing somebody over from the black division to the white division i mean so kind of inherently racist and whitney was very carefully groomed they spent two years before the first album was released and
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they would meet every friday often whitney was never present these meetings mainly a mother and clive davis and so on and they could very very carefully selected the songs and things that she was going to be doing on her first anything apparently according to kenneth reynolds who was called of mine do it i was to record anything that sounded too black. which i guess is to gospel to r. and b. was sent back and redone so it sounded more pop and in the end do you think it's over aching it or one could just say it was drugs in the end that killed her it was the cia's. program i don't think it's that simple i think she retreated more and more into that very private space which drugs came to inhabit because she was so blocked off in so many other avenues g.
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i think she was very alienated from the family she was very alone and she urged father. father suitor from million dollars or one hundred million dollars he was the person i think she most had relied on her mother was very disapproving. and she was the same time supporting all these people so i think there wasn't much room for whitney you know nippy as she was called by friends and you know her friends who i interviewed at length were i think they took part in the film because they felt. story had never really been told in a sympathetic way people have been so judge mental about i mean i think she felt terrible about the drugs and she tried so many times to get off it but couldn't and i think as a society we just sort of do write people off because on drugs it's kind of like oh
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well there were drug addicts let's just that a good. move on. which i think you know i find i even have those tendencies but i think it's cruel and unrealistic and i think when it's someone like whitney houston who brought so much happiness to so many people you know she deserves a lot more understanding than that nick broomfield thank you thank you. risking life and limb dres i'm a snap election gamble as result in the one parliamentary pact with the democratic unionist party and possible government concessions that with the good friday agreement and northern irish peace process in jeopardy joining me now as you invade the newly elected m.p.'s out down chris has a do like other members of his party refuses to take a seat in parliament and tip the balance against tourism may. be all congratulations on being elected when you're going to sit down on a green bench and will never take their seats in westminster and this you know just merely isn't to produce of allegiance to an on elected monarch as
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a republican i wouldn't do it if i was an english republican or scottish republican and i certainly won't do it as an irish republican but moreover that it will sit beside the people the people in the absolute dormant and in irish parliament you know we ended up stances i'm in ireland because there are a parliaments and we will do so in britain you know the people of the north of ireland have also got their verdict on this they have returned seven abstention stampedes. and became an issue in the election in the northern nationalist community spoke one of the big reasons one of big issues coming out of this election is northern nation is a must the northern city that they're now looking to dublin they're looking to brussels and they're looking for the sort of active up stance and isn't that we give them what you consider to try to punish britain i mean what do you think about the fact that you'd rather the d.p. rule over the united kingdom as a whole which at the moment according to british law the north of ireland is a clue there's been some speculation that we might take our seats because of the
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numbers numbers don't stack up in a way that even if you wanted to take our seats it simply would make any difference people. north need to see some sort of clearly clarity in from sponsor and what has been agreed well i think we saw from dres re-election campaign they were trying to taint generally corbin's a civil rights activism sometimes a much as organization when as being terrorist so i think you have a vague idea of which resume it is with a conservative in unionist party and we know we only have to look at the litany of scandals of the d.p.p. have been touched to be at the risk a bit are here and even the dark money or in the back to describe the scandal view is and there's some serious serious allegations of corruption the very heart of government controlled. departments that were run under a new bill hayton scheme around which we did you know a vast sum of money half a billion part and we're still in this british taxpayer would never get money from farmers that the cost the taxpayer maybe a million pounds shed if you would like to think some of us want to be retrievable
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or we could have a solution all these are legal contracts and it's proving very very difficult at this early stage to see how we're going to do that but there is real public anger and there's real public anger the d.p. in the assam bill action just in march the d.p. lost a number of seats up to ten seats that they lost in this real public anger so you know we see in this we now see you know shadowy backroom deals and that's why they need to be transplanted whatever's talked about here because let's be clear about this the tories and tory policy have been devastatingly bad for the people of ireland since two thousand and ten tourist areas taking a billion pound out of our block grant you know it's a public services are being punished here and the d.p.p. need to be very mindful of or is it the fact that you kind of like the. defacto coalition because they're going to get extra money for the north of it which seems to be the backroom deal well. a lot of yet to be seen at this we haven't seen extra money from the tories tory policy any deals between unionism and tory government have been bad for local people and for islands and you know when i think a tory government has never been
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a good thing for the people of ireland specially the people of the north of ireland we look at our communities devastated by tories to. i myself was a government minister last year i seen the effects of the tory a steady on our budgets i see what the predictions are look next the next number of years of the cuts that local departments are going to have to me to live the sort of sturdy the tory tory government wants us to do fayne has historically changed tack on a variety of issues are in the picture but we sounds a bit and you when john wayne decided to put him up as again today well known to strike she will make no changes as events turn up and you know for a century now we have to stay in from the westminster parliament i don't see that ever change in my lifetime there's new demand from our own party members there's no demand even from our constituents who are attacking us and ever bigger numbers in vain are willing to see willing to basically see a deal with a deal between the tories which will shut up all the legacy issues of allegations
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of u.k. torture u.k. back to shoot to kill policy and we heard from veterans british veterans on this show the other day you said that the british soldiers who are being alleged to have been involved in torture and so on in with linda being left behind they were just following orders why should these legacy issues even be a topic of discussion because everybody should be equal in front of the law we have our own judicial figures back in belfast in the north saying that you know this is this is quite nonsense this idea that there's some sort of witch hunt against british military you know there's you kind less than one hand of british military figures who spent time in jail compared to you know tens of thousands of years of irish republicans is spent in british steel so there's just simply no comparison i d. until recently had an m.p. william mccrea middles to who was calling we know from the thirty year rule for our if air strikes and dundalk brought across mcglynn and character war you're you're just sitting by watching all this waiting to see what happens we're not sitting by we're meeting the british government we have met with the british government this
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week and we continue to meet with all british political parties with the media with any. but you just. take up the struggle again back in ireland we have the good friday agreement there's responsibilities here for the british government and indeed for the irish government as well to live up to how does the season fit in with the good friday agreement because the d.p. says it is a conditional offer the fact the coalition well there's speculation that that's which would be a huge travesty and a huge step backwards you know barnaby warner the largely resolved with community taking a real role in this and the sort of step back on that would be highly regressive and highly regrettable what are you going to do about it well as a speculation at this point i have seen nothing to suggest there's any sort of. you know when we meet with the british government we made these points very very clearly and chris has it thank you. hope you enjoyed that requested favorite show from the latest season of going underground we'll be
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