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tv   World Apart With Oxana Boyko  RT  August 24, 2017 2:29pm-3:01pm EDT

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to the foundations of our foreign policy among them of course is that it is based on principle and. stablished rules of international law and also relationships like that which we have with russia which is a story which is a very deep and multifaceted relationship with us to newer up with our partners and you know live when you take one major cornerstone it's still somewhat impact the stability of the building so if i may ask you more specifically how does the change in the administration affect your relationship and your foreign policy well we have . continued to fall so this relationship with both democratic and republican administrations i think there is a. number of understand things and commonality in terms of strategic objectives that shelter the relationship from whatever. differences on issues that can exist between any two governments but the
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foundations in terms of the relationship its strategic nature of the levels of cooperation still exists and operate operational because they are in the best interest of both countries of both peoples as is the case with other relationships internationally now of the trumpet mr it has been a very unusual administration so far but one thing. it decided to pursue is very traditional for the american foreign policy and by that i mean the attempts of the trumpet ministration to mediate these really palestinian conflict they made it clear that they want to seek the resumption of the peace process now this is a very contentious and very explosive issue do you think it's the right time to stir it up especially given all the. divisions that happening within the united states itself there's always the right time to address what is the central issue. the one of the issues that most severely impacts the security of the region
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but it is also deals with the plight of the palestinian people in the provision of their rights so at all times it is appropriate to deal with this situation the with the efficiency and with that occasion and we have always been supportive and we have valued the declarations of president trump and his interest in pursuing a peaceful resolution of the palestinian issue in finding the point of convergence that will enable the reestablishment of the negotiating process and egypt will support the united states and all other efforts in that regard you know russia sometimes accused of giving the trumpet ministration to favorable of a trip man but even here in moscow many recognize that he is a highly divisive figure both at home and abroad and it's one thing to try and fail that happened to many american presidents before with regards to the israeli palestinian conflict but it's another thing when you try and make things worse
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aren't you concerned that they trumpet mr ations involvement at this point of time when it's so understaffed when it's so unpredictable to be honest with you can make things worse well first of all these are your characterizations or you don't share these are your characterizations what concerns me is the policies that are being implemented and the desire to address a very sensitive and a very crucial issue to the arab and muslim worlds to the population that is under occupation to resolving the conflict between palestinians and israelis on the basis of the creation of a palestinian state and thereby rectify the damage that has been done over the years to the palestinian people it is a matter of political will demonstrated by all sides whether it is the israelis the palestinians but also the international community and certainly russia the united states european partners can play a very instrumental role if that political will. exists now if you're hopeless
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tinian counterparts particularly the minister al maliki here whom i interviewed here in moscow on several occasions and system open and the talks are just a delaying tactic for these rallies even if the trumpet mr ation succeeds in resuming this talks do you think any changes should be made to the setup of the talks to make them more geared towards an actual solution rather than being just an never ending talking shop or the creation that was issued. the day before yesterday in the trilateral meeting between egypt jordan and the palestinians i think indicate the support of a negotiating process but this negotiation process should not be open ended all of the issues have been deliberated have been negotiated have been addressed and there is international consensus related to many of the various aspects of the resolution of the conflict. there is a very strong basis upon which these negotiations can be undertaken thereby it is
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again a matter of the political will to move ahead to a final resolution you just mentioned the phrase international consensus but i want to ask you specifically about the arab consensus because the consultations that you just mentioned involve the jordanians the palestinians but the saudis for example were in there. and your palestinian counterpart stressed time and time again that what's important for the palestinians is that these three nine hundred sixty seven borders remain and non-negotiable a starting point for any negotiations do you think the saudis are sharing that assessment and how hard do you think the palestinian issue is on the saudi agenda. of this unusual is a central issue for all arab and muslim countries this has been reiterated again and again the arab consensus and the unity it related to the other peace initiative and it contains references to the issue of borders but that does not preclude. and
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we all know the discussions between the both the israelis and the palestinians are related to how they will manage the border issue that the basis is the borders of the fourth of july one thousand and sixty seven but there is also flexibility on both sides to address this issue and compatible in a comparable manner and again the long history of negotiations and the international community's determinations in many instances shows the direction that both or she should take the reason i ask this question is because as we all know of the israeli saudi relationship has become a little bit more accommodating than it was yes and there are concerns on the part of many and the palestine that. some of their strong supporters in the arab world may become a little bit less resolute in defending the palestinian cause do you share this concern because it seems to be that the synergy for israel and the saudi arabia is
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really coming at you don't see anything that would lead to such a conclusion on the contrary all the other countries. in the arab summit reiterate the full support of the palestinian authority the commitment to the other peace in the land which was endorsed in two thousand and two and has subsequently been endorsed every single year that it is the strategic. decision of the arab countries to seek peace but on the recognition that peace should be on the basis of the creation of a two state solution with the borders with east jerusalem as the capital and other issues that are fundamental so there is still the unity of thought and the unity of commitment determined effort by all the other states including saudi arabia and i'm not speaking on their behalf but this is what i extract from my understanding of their position that is full solidarity with the palestinians and with the resolution of the. i think that solidarity is supported in the foreign policies if
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arius countries that they have been conducting because it is quite clear that iran and israel and saudi arabia have a condom and then me in their on they have certain very common positions when it comes to the united states there are other overlapping interests on there any danger that those very pressing issues this very important issues will somehow phase out the palestinian question perhaps a little bit lower. there are many challenges don't discount that there are various challenges both regionally and internationally but that no time has detracted from the importance that is attached to the palestinian issue the commitment of the other states to address the effect of lee this is an issue that resonates the level of the public opinion in the arab and muslim world and i think the dangers of the stagnation or quite apparent by the last crisis is that the third related to the heart of the sharif in the jerusalem. it is more important that
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this stage where there are so many other complications and where the palestinian issue can be. an additional complicating factor in resolving many of the regional issues so we still believe that if resolved it will have a very definite positive impact on other issues including that of terrorism and you just mentioned many other complications and one such complication of would be the gulf crisis surrounding qatar it appears now at the forefront of trying to rally other countries particularly in africa against qatar do you think sanctions and boycotts are effective ways of doing diplomacy these days and is it an effective means of trying to make the other country change its policy i don't see that it's a gulf crisis i see that it's cutter's crisis skull challenge whatever low again that sort of goes chad was a ghost is. in
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a situation the this is it or leave me in that this is a crisis but it is really sad everybody's not happy with what happening if qatar's neither is egypt and egypt is not part of the gulf but it is certainly. an important region as it relates to national interests and national security what is is i think the current situation is that there is a concerns on the part of the four arab countries egypt saudi arabia emirates and the bahrain as relates to policies of cut of that have to be addressed that have had a very adverse impact on national security that has caused directly and indirectly a great deal of. lack of security and the instability in the region of the situation has to end the minister we have to take a very short break now but we will be back in just a few moments they tend to. here's
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what come back to worlds apart but one minister i mean minister just to pick up on that point where real laugh concerning the gulf disappeared now it to house had its fair share of tensions with other neighbors for example saddam the work was sometimes perhaps unfairly accused of supporting various insurgent groups but i think your diplomacy has long refrained from very sharp rhetoric and really tried to avoid making saddam into an obvious and explicit enemy why is it different with qatar why do those differences have to be brought out into the open rather than being resolved quietly diplomatically behind closed doors well this is issues that have been outstanding for maybe two decades no one i think that the degree of the security that has been generated the degree of direct impact the loss of life of them. direct threat to the stability of the country
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whether individually or collectively the general out of national security as water into the more direct and more impactful managed to deal with this issue this issues cannot be disassociated from the harboring of terrorism the. providing resources to terrorist organizations and this is a phenomenon that has impacted a lot of countries among them russia. if we are serious we must. difficult questions how are these terrorists operating who are they receiving their funds how are they receiving the weaponry how are they sustaining activities of this heinous nature such as to be perpetrated in barcelona in finland and in other western european in russia in egypt and elsewhere you mentioned the word terrorism before and. correct me if i'm wrong but i think there is hardly
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a state in the region or perhaps in other parts of the world that doesn't rely on armed or extremist groups to advance its foreign policy that's just the nature of geopolitics we would disagree with you at all egypt has never resorted to any such organizations to promote its interests minister with all due respect i think your primary ally saudi arabia has a very concerning record in that regard egypt itself is fighting the hobbist inspired insurgency on its own territory so if you won that sanction qatar is fighting the muslim brotherhood ideology on its territory just as always come to an ideology and a political movement that has to be. resisted i think it is wrong to generalize what is apparent is that there are. terrorist groups. recognized by the united nation. have they been designated as such or have been
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designated by national legislation as is the case of the most and brotherhood in egypt and those are the organizations that we should address and should fight against the muslim brotherhood as you know is not the only group that the lies and violence for political means. that is absolute and some of them against funding and support from various countries including some of them. believed to be your own ls like against saudi arabia so my question to you is. without really getting into the discussion i think many people agree with you totally that it's necessary to take a uniform approach on terrorism but if you want to sanction qatar which nobody can really stop you from doing that why do you have to come up that there are the pretext that nobody can take a lot of pretexts hardly be considered as a pretext this is a authoritative substantiated evidence upon which we rely and hope on which many
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intelligence organizations have hard facts that surged into the to this issue again and it is very important not to generalize and not to make accusations except when there is material evidence that supports it and in the case of that material evidence exists in the face of policies that have adverse the impact it has created has caused a loss of life in egypt this is an intolerable situation and this is why we are taking action to protect national interests and that is the comprehensive nature of what we have been calling for that terrorism can only be dealt with in a comprehensive manner we cannot deal with one state and not another we cannot deal with one organization the not another but we have to apply uniform and effective measures the deals with this phenomena in its totality and in trying to rally other countries against qatar do you think you are applying you know. form approach to
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terrorism well i think we are always advocating that all countries should take a similar action against the world finally this is a different no no we are very clear in what we are doing as relates policy toward scuttlebutt that isn't the only policy that is not in any way asserting that that is the only. culprit in this regard there are many organizations and many others that might have or might have. diverted really supported organizations one time or another but that doesn't. put any constraints on us to deal with the specific countries as well as the evidence exists to support them now currently from wrong but i think most countries in africa and europe including russia really don't want to take sides in this dispute but there are others for example turkey which. through their support behind. turkey and now finds more and more reasons to cooperate more openly with iran do you think this geo
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political crossed sectarian realignment maybe to europe will politically i think that we should all be committed to our obligations to deal with terrorism and to be effective partners in the coalition against terrorism any action that is contradictory to that should not be sustained but you know that turkey already has more than a thousand soldiers in qatar it clearly doesn't see the muslim brotherhood as a terrorist organization. in some respects it's a more defined and more ambitious power than qatar so even if qatari yields your demands do you think turkey will be ok with that i think these are two separate issues and they shouldn't be confused. is another country it is a part of the g.c.c. it is a part of the arab league and this share of the global community right there are so c. asians that i think. the demonstration of. more
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relevant. threat of the police or more centralized two countries existence its regional association and its. does not preclude cathars sovereign right to make its own decisions and they're going to. egypt's over it's also the should not be in question can i ask you one question on that because a few years ago turkey was very infatuated with this idea of. zero problems with neighbors the turks saw themselves as very. political brokers who are. committed to no one but they're saying that national interest instrumental to all and i think it's very similar to how it to have formulated its foreign policy a few years ago pursuing its national interest but not being beholden to anyone has anything changed since then because you seem to be throwing your lot firmly with the. camp in
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a very divisive dispute and it's divisive from your characterization of small devices from ours that it's is a matter of protecting our national interests and the lives of our citizens and that is not an issue that should be any point to question this is if anything the issue of sovereignty in itself. egypt continues to apply its foreign policy on the basis of principles on the basis of moral principles that guide us from our heritage from our faith based perspective and from our associations to the international community the charter of the united nations and we will continue to apply is not jealous touristic of many others those same principles here we will do so it respective of how others apply their policies but as long as the as not impact our national security interests or. livelihoods of our peoples. the issue is not escalated but if there is
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a threat that we will meet the can i ask you about moral principles because i had a chance to interview the top u.n. aid official on yemen just a short while ago george toria and he described the situation in yemen as a human catastrophe with no and inside the worst humanitarian crisis he described scenes of children cholera stricken children being left in front of the hospitals because there are no doctors to treat them or no medicine to treat with given these very active for all that it took place in both regional and global affairs why is there so little effort to bring that ugly conflict to an end well we are doing. the best we can within the circumstances with the rest of the international community both the superpowers whether it be russia or the united states or egypt found it difficult over the last three years to find the necessary political solution we have been advocating for one we have been coordinating with the un envoy with the
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shift to to find a way forward to. levy a the humanitarian difficulties we are very sensitive to those difficulties because of the very close ties that bind egypt and yemen despite the fact there are. external forces the terrorist organizations that are operating in the i mean there's a. complications and complexity that i think the international community has to exert greater efforts to be able to. impact in a positive manner absolutely. i mean it always has its. challenges cut out for it but do you think the arab neighbors are doing enough to bring an end to that especially since you stressed the regional aspect so strongly that well i can only speak on the egypt part but i know that there have been constant.
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deliberations that have been constant efforts by not only egypt egypt saudi arabia you know i think that i better emirates all man and others to find a political solution to what is the internal crisis and conflict among the yemenis . depends on the political will of the yemenis it depends on the. external intervention in the affairs of that compounds of complications so again we will continue to play a role in the international community should also understate its responsibilities. now sir you've been very patient with me let me ask you one final question because last time we talked you were expecting a very expedient their resumption of the russian flights to fail to materialize where do you know russia and egypt stand on that issue right now we have in the interim. our cooperation we have
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a variety of exchanges and we have received many technical delegations from russia we have taken advantage of the expertise that exists and have implemented many of the recommendations that russian friends have provided us and we are continuing to address the issue of very effectively because this is in our best interests to capacity to build our resources and to cooperate with our traditional friends. or abilities and effectiveness and i believe that we are. an important juncture of discussions with minister lavrov i have every confidence that this issue will be resolved in an appropriate manner as soon as we finalize some of the still outstanding issues and we have come a long way forward to that this chapter will be behind us minister thank you very much for a time looking forward to seeing you again in moscow and the us please share your
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