tv Cross Talk RT September 17, 2017 11:29pm-12:01am EDT
cross-linking just some facts i'm joined by my guest mark sloboda he's an international affairs and security analyst we also have exact name a row he is the founder of the center of political strategic analysis truck pole and we have dimitri he is a political analyst with sputnik international all right gentlemen as always crosstalk rules in effect that means you can jump in anytime you want and i always appreciate it first i'd like to talk about the cantle izing piece if i can say in the new york times our team sputnik and russia's new theory of war how the kremlin built one of the most powerful information weapons of the twenty first century and why it may be impossible to use. sounds like the opening of a twilight zone episode mark i read the entire article it's a big investment in time. i don't really know what he was trying to say well i mean
i think some of it i think it's pretty clear that. because of its counter narrative approach to what liberal mainstream pro-american publications like the new york times put out there is no greater threat to russian civilization then well you peter i mean are you know already yeah i mean as well oh if they're watching you you're you're part of the problem too you're right we're all all guilty here and this is standard in full war screed. it was not standard because it's quite exhaustive it is twenty four pages long i printed out pretty printed out print it out twenty four pages long it's it's it's quite amazing. the headline as you pointed out our teaspoon nick and russia's new theory of war basically doing back to the western mainstream
media what they've been doing to run a. new theory of war demons. is saying something different is that a new theory of war please note that the russian never says what war first it's always that west you know in ukraine would have war with russia you know in information week of war with russia well the point is that all of that divides the history of. the good one before two thousand and nine two thousand that and the bad one which is now. and the author jim rutenberg break i think we're going here the whole time i didn't know it was a good or bad as he has praise for the period when we commit valuables and paul and what we're seeing as. the russian media for foreign audiences who hired professionals from b.b.c. and radio. europe well jim rutenberg if you read the american press all the time
you will see that american press that record in rio was to do with the russian government and most peaceful putin all the bad warlords that you are now using forty so maybe in a few years i'm sure he's going to have a few words of praise for us and and the game he will sign and i'm going to a perfect example of projecting your values onto a foreign planet of completion of this is what mistakes did he find that will be a story of a girl of russian origin even in germany who first said that she was raped then she and this is a story that originated with german media local media was picked up by a russian language television network and they believe mistakenly picked up their story ok yes in january two thousand and sixteen which means almost two years ago they quote and find better accusations against us well of mass destruction in iraq or you know which was largely so you would see in new hampshire that's all you got
ok that's what you got. there isn't an unimportant point out there is no more difference between the peacetime in the water it's a good the united states and the worst are always a poor it's completely new because even during the cold war you have some you have the cold war but before the cold war you have the second world war and though we are without poor and it's a. drugs war on terror it's own words so what's really interesting to me is that i've been here for the entire history of this television station and i would say the first time we made an impression was during this crisis of two thousand and eight people started to tune in and then it was really the so-called arab spring like all of the sunni winter we had a different narrative and then it you sort of ukraine in syria and we presented a narrative about those conflicts right there it was starkly stark. different and this is what really really angers them the freedom of speech in the west is
a complete illusion and you know i saw in france the. current us contending the opening of all tea in french and so i mean this is a right it should be in the center i think and there's a real panic because they're going to last tense you're in france you have only one idea in on all the tunnels and during the last campaign it all defines the private one we're supporting and other and so just the idea of having their tentative. we are not going to support the mode macor for instance even if. you want to put any nobody in and it's a panic. this clearly just don't want any competition they don't want their monopoly to be broken but i think the timing of this is interesting i know a little bit of the background story of this is that this was an article that was in the in the making for
a while from what i understand stan but it's publication now the illegal seizure of russian properties in the united states and assault on the consulate in san francisco and other things is there a pattern you know mark in what to expect here i mean it also comes of the same time as is that they are pushing our t.v. and sputnik the f.b.i. and congressional investigations are pushing russian media to register under the foreign agent registration which is a very slippery slope media as foreign agents. of course will be a media only met in russia by dentical critics in the west have long critiqued russia's foreign agent registration act which if you don't it was quote has not made you want to be a media which is a copy of us now they're using this politically and they they have no problem with me let me know just because you know that when rashi. introduced oh foreign agents registration act the western side said but it's not used any longer in the united
states so no use for a pack in israel that's for sure knowledge that we're going to use a lot more excited arabia and we'll see how it works and i can assure you that. times will continue in france in some days because usually when they start to complain again it could be any. interest you have to or to. be a week and it would start in front. to protect the public spirit quote unquote by the powers that be i see there is a pattern here i see this. in meddling which have not been proven at all no no ok and not at all. the starting of saying sions taking a property in the united states now this campaign against our team sputnik i have i think of one individual very often julian assange because if you have embassies that are being violated under international law. he could be told picked them to
the same procedures in attacks of the united states is done and it's always the same with the us who are getting the ok so it's a day view so everything is a lot against it what you're talking deviance you're talking questioning. the new york times represent. decisions is that that's that is they have big problem with our question more it drives the question how dare we question what they say how dare we quit because we saw there. it was in my service in the u.s. military that made me question more the u.s. government sorry guys but you know we do question more if we look at this or we look at this twenty four page screen there is one important paragraph in it this is the. they work the headline is about russia's new theory of war the media and
everything page eighteen out of twenty four sixty five paragraphs in we have this in the lightning paragraph and our tease coverage of trump has not been wholly uncritical chris hedges the former times times correspondent said trump had a penchant for lying and deception and manipulation and edge schultz pleaded with his guests who's going to stop donald trump i did show called and they don't need to maintain the same any oh yes many times right but even though the classified intelligence assessments seem to the struggle what exactly made the russian out flutes influence on the election so nothing arius it described sputnik is sitting at the center of a sprawling social media network all my friends on facebook that included third party intermediaries and paid social media users or trolls but it provided no
detail about how that might have and i would point out to everyone watching if you want to blame me you can blame me i gave donald trump the benefit of the doubt because i agreed what he had to say about foreign policy which he has thrown to the wayside but if you want to blame someone at our team for electing donald trump you can blame me because i'm the only one who gave him a fair shot r.t. america very liberal and progressive ok go ahead you well i think salvia raised a very interesting issue in no way that the us propaganda machine be dabbling so people where there is a great american noble bolt it would be deep you know my cave even looks like a goodly not to moby dick you know which is russia and and and and we just recently acquired a great story you know down the road try to break convince them eric in public that it would have a deal with jordan us on which we could. exchanged missed out of hand by the cia
exactly in exchange for show you know us giving us proof that he didn't have his information from russians that reminds me of from you remember eight starbuck dating him captain mike let's return to coleman sands let's return to the shoals we don't want to die but one has to go off to that moby dick so this is the story with whit with this is what i think is a crosstalk is a demon bomb which always brings in the literary angle here gentlemen we're going to go to a short break and after that short break we'll continue our discussion on just about. the international community continues lee emphasize about one theoretical united iraq this is a slogan maybe an approach of the politicians but the reality on the ground in iraq is not one and we recognize united. we as kurds are not the ones to be blamed
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or who has made antidepressants so commonly used we were doing what the doctors told us to do we were being responsible and what the real side effects. was terminally alter what i did was. legal. just because something's legal say. welcome back across like we're all things considered i'm peter remind you we're discussing just facts. ok gentlemen let's switch gears here let's look at a look at the north korean story here i'm holding here a an article from antiwar dot com which i encourage everyone to read gallup poll u.s. majority backs attacking north korea most don't believe u.s.
attack will happen in the next six months. i took interest in this example going to you is the media establishment did it get again did it again oh it's going to get it just about to come about that poor and that kind of guy is a war and in my opinion you know when you use to us to people where is ukraine. i don't know we're here mantra you. know some career i'm not sure they can find where is it but they know that it's a three and that's what's very you. know it's a threat yes. see this is this is the you know we've discussed on this program the danger of the r t but you know it's the it's new york times it's the washington post and they're the danger here they are the danger because they are the drum drums of war and they follow the message. i get from the state department from the intelligence community from the deep state you know you can't neglect c.n.n.
and fox you know the big networks and this sure they're all pushing they love war because it brings them profits right and the hype to war i don't think at least in the short term there is going to be any military action in north korea i think the u.s. is just going to have to accept that north korea now has a strategic deterrent unless they negotiate their way out of it which will mean compromise which they're so loath to do. simply because north korea has far too strong a conventional deterrent seoul in the way of over artillery pieces on the other side of the d.n.a. and at the end of the day they have a so-called ally with china who will not allow the regime to go to me the most important thing about this poll numbers i take a slightly different stance we see that number has increased from forty seven percent in two thousand and three who want military action against or or were willing to accept it to fifty eight percent now but. partisan divide you have
eighty two percent of republicans now backing the war whereas thirty seven percent of the democrats backing the work if we go back to a conflict like libya. or any of other obama's military actions we would have seen reversed numbers americans are so partisanly blindly divided that as long as their candidate is leading the country to war they will back to the war but with those numbers that you see democrats protesting against any of it well i don't know what happen to the anti-war movement in america's right here it's but it's very interesting because. we presumably trump supporters they want something something must be done with before here you know this is putting he's putting himself not only into a strategic corner he's been himself into a media corner is well ok we don't have time to talk about dhaka and immigration reform but it looks like he's led or be interested apparently clipped my base down again ok and he's getting stuck with this north korean thing that has been turned
into a media hype story well you are right they think they have defeated himself when he didn't resist your with your war to stop when he allowed basically you know he's age to be to be fired all of them anti-war people you know if you really mean he will get out of giving up my from the get go absolutely and we have another example i think a positive one rand paul you know congressman from kentucky made this speech when he asked the question you know we're starving seven can median yemenis you know are there on the brink of starvation there is an outbreak of cordura what what will they give me is think i. suggest all of our viewers to go to youtube to look at that speech on the floor of congress it's a brilliant speech specifically on the renewal of the use of the a you m.-f. the. continuing resolution since two thousand and one updated in two thousand and
three has been used to justify military action u.s. military action all around the world on the orders of the executive without any congressional approval of versailles on the grounds that it's against al-qaeda or against terror and this is the forever when isis didn't even exist when when he was there when he came into so we would not agree with the libertarian rand paul and everything but he deserves credit for this which everyone should know and i think this speech is also relevant for north korea because rand paul was talking about seventeen media in yemen just starting well because of the new sanctions which presuppose not just their arrest of ships carrying weapons to north korea but also their raft of ships carrying fuel to north korea they're going to freeze twenty five million people in north korea this winter when it would not going to save albright say about something like that when it came to children in iraq ok i just was this is what. it was it that's what she said
a gentleman nikki haley again i'm absolutely convinced that she has advanced degrees in hillbilly studies i'm absolutely convinced that but not satisfied not satisfied i'm reading from an art now i'm satisfied till aside u.s. pushes for regime change as war in syria winds down so the u.s. and nikki haley are not satisfied everyone we all know the words. no no no no no no no no no no rolling stone will have to pay some kind of a copyright but i do wish we can cut and ok it was a good point because they tend to weather the meaning of the advisory opinion and then you are interesting it's exactly the same in france because it was told that we don't need any more. money and there is a new arena of foreign affairs. i don't remember the country and there are newspaper. we need
a said that couldn't be part of the transition but what they want school to get is a last this is the first visit on form two which is not so friendly and went through this over the last three do you want compromise exactly wordsworth to talk they don't know because if they compromise they see compromise as weakness ok yes and that's what they do that is end of political to the internet because we're sure they're going to deal you can compromise you have to destroy him completely because the same so that they view the show has during the last six years and so in most be destroyed there is no television shows illegally because the west was wrong in everything that it's done in syria they have to have assad gone to justify there was a lot more ridhima well i think it's what's need to be called that and for i just love it when i'm going to be satisfied until we see a strong and stable syria and that is not with the police so we're. going to stand a libya syria one other one and we want to throw in there some ali you know yemen syria and his father was not
a perfect place but can anyone say that it was not stronger that it was not more stable than it is now when you know when parts of it that controlled by the friends of the united states rent boy i think was right when he basically said in his speech that we were on the same side with isis in syria i mean times in place and actually you know in my opinion it would have some consequences on the rest of the u.s. but it to can the world because they lost in georgia you know sitter lost with assad . in libya will be a part of the solution and there was you know. victory in ukraine exactly in my opinion in ukraine within maybe two years it would be you more or less or maybe it would be you know it's a little bit earlier but. you're far more optimistic at the. top of the question is what the us are going to do further because it usually is a cunt promise the poor to any kind of terrorism sort i'm sure gangsters in. the
world and they give the poor it what happened in kosovo for instance to give they could have. been in a no the can do that's a permit the poor work to the opposition in syria for instance and some very close people to us that they left their lives to paris or live to or encounter close to langley. they were sure they would be there would be a president and minister in the in some months is a lower there would be an interesting in the very life you know i don't want soviet just set the bar with ukraine i was a pessimist until saakashvili got back they a few days ago these days kelly never explain everything explain who he is go ahead saakashvili is the former georgian president who was hired by does hold a share of the hold of georgia. and while it was here george you know that for sure i don't know for embarrassment here you are our biggest political prisoner some of them are used to deal with ukrainian citizenship by the great democrat president bush and co he was a point that the gov about their son after fifty people were killed there broun to
live finale national which other corruption and and later they can take out of corruption and when secretary was that they brought what i brought but our shank or stripped him off he has ukrainian citizenship that great democrat who of course will never agree to bring your strip in sorest top of each or they were seated at your right and now. by chance with their parents of the biggest greenie and factions from the bottom and illegally cross the border back to your green and some call he is now growing into the main overtone and you have to push a force to his way back in after him of some right wing ultra nationalists absolute conclusion conclusion i was a pessimist i saw that last twenty years now that sort of saakashvili is because these guys they can mess up things into are worse we know it will take years and when i really don't understand is that i thought saakashvili was going to be groomed to run the venezuela after the forced regime change. yeah i thought it was
your learning say that i think that was your friend's name you know but i guess he is a part of the international elite who was built by the us you know to to to to go in power in all the countries are going to want to try to control you know you're going so he says it was a poll fake politician that's yeah it's of this is not so fake politician it was interesting when he was you know this. is a vice governor was a. go. to see him are you going to get the ball so it was there are you are you have such you know. elite who are able to lead any country you want to give them ok after the crane it would be as you say maybe even israel and after they can go back you know i'd only been friends you know maybe you know there are the you know it's not such as it's going to create just size became thanks to saakashvili. stripped of the russian citizenship and saved us from
a lot of trouble so don't blame your base against really really is the right dime a dozen he's a typical neo con neo liberal he's one of mccain's proteges clients the strong man he well you know by gene i have for him going to take on his his story there jake. trapper just loves john mccain you know mimics anything else to say i bet he's going to be a big supporter of president the problem in the ukraine is a bow to get your losers of course from russia i think and i had you know i was you know generally really going to happen is to run out of time but as part of the program many thanks to my guest here in moscow and thanks to our viewers for watching us here are to see you next time and remember crosstalk.
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in the story is the shape of the week britain spin terror attack this year sees thirty people injured in a bomb blast along to underground the second man is now under arrest. the top diplomats of russia and the us meet on the sidelines of the un general assembly and the first face to face since a recent diplomatic spat erupted between moscow and washington. the only gang finds a ballistic missile over japan after the international community hits north korea with the sanctions.