tv Cross Talk RT October 9, 2017 3:29pm-4:01pm EDT
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my way to. really packed a punch. is the john oliver of r t america is doing the same we are apparently better than. the c. people you've never heard of love back to the night president of the world bank so take. me seriously send us an e-mail. hello and welcome to cross talk or all things considered i'm peter lavelle russia gate continues unabated without any hard facts to back it up will catalonia take the next step and declare independence also will trump be called a deal breaker when it comes to red.
cross talking real news i'm joined by my guests here in moscow exhibit a morrow he's the founder founder of the center for political strategic analysis struck paul we also have he's a political analyst as well as a leading expert at the center for actual politics and of course we have dmitri bobbitt she's a political analyst we spoke to. make international origin across the girls in effect that means you can jump in anytime out and i always appreciate gentlemen the senate foreign intelligence committee came out big press conference. no evidence of the trump campaigning campaign colluding with the russians in the two thousand and sixteen presidential election but that's not going to stop them there are going to continue we also have twitter google and facebook coming up with their number crunching scant evidence at best in meaning even less ok nonetheless
where you work where i work sitting in this chair. freedom of speech in the united states is under threat scrutiny can r t are being threatened it's amazing we're kingmakers actually you know it's amazing what one hundred thousand dollars can buy for you in the united states you can buy the presidency for one hundred thousand dollars now to remind me all of you know austin bolus you know same we're going to require from you one million dollars so vote for one hundred thousand dollars you're going to buy american election but you know if they can think seriously they . foreign agents registration act to media to media in general is astounding because for five years the u.s. media and the media and the european union have been the one blasting the russian government you know and the russian duma for introducing. the wall into the russian legislation well the russian the russian government never targeted mediocre nations based on that the war there were problems with organizations that morning at that
elections or n.g.o.s following geos certain forces you know to morning to them in their only interest there were problems with companies that were accused of supporting supporting terrorist supporting. midterms but new york the single dime they did i really didn't really want to i don't really think that the foreign agents acting united states foreign the russian equant is essentially a translation it's broadly the same thing here gentlemen we've talked a lot about russia gate no evidence for me it's laboring over it because why talk about something when there's no facts but i think what's really different go to here and what i think is in play is something much bigger and i think much more nefarious you use the alleged collusion you bring in the russians you bring in our team bring in sputnik but what this is. leading to the rabbit hole they want to
go down is attacking the internet and freedom of speech and they're taking it all together it's a new matrix right now i very worry about the future of freedom of speech because the five near monopoly companies media companies united states with the on wall street journal the washington post there with the rest of them c.n.n. they want their monopoly back and you know what with the political force behind them in washington they might get some success in that area i'm very worried about and they really are at sea and sputnik are just the beginning because if you look at the big picture until now you could go to russia you could see here now you could see your vision you could see other channels radio stations broadcasting in the u.s. you could see on the chain you station you could hear a. number of other foreign broadcasters now if this if the american government succeeds with their attempt to shut down our sputnik in the united states
what are they going to be tempted to do next if are if washington if the washington establishment decides that oh that cheney is. there's a story that they are telling the american people the news that they're broadcasting be there and that that kind of union you know what are we going to do next we're going to shut down then that it's a patriotism. litmus test right now if you are willing to toe the line here i mean one of the things i've noticed growing up as an american in america. there's never any foreign media around you know there's a lot of foreign media because i would say is because the meat in the. media monopolies that are existing and right now people don't trust them that's why they're going somewhere else again i will ask the question of our viewers write to me if you've ever been forced to click on an r t one click please i'd like to know those circumstances that's. point because it's impossible to shut down internet so
even if they want to shut down or to put nuke it would be possible to go around to two to get to get internet to get ati on these clothes then it will be an addition to be a trader on the contrary in my opinion it's counterproductive because it is a do that they will grant that they would grant. rebellion turn over so and any of you were cities and could see could look at all it is through internet and the problem is in my opinion it is didn't the truth as long as five says big prize. as a truce people are going to go through internet and i hope they will find atiba they can find as well stupid a complete is to. tunnel or a website that's in my opinion is really contra productive because you know
a good the double standard in the contradiction here to both of you is that what happened to the marketplace of ideas this is what it really gets down to it feels shows how scared they are of the american people getting news from alternative sources they want to determine what picture the american people the american audience gets on every single issue whether it's politics whether it's culture or it's international affairs and they are really scared that the american people are getting something different something they do not want them to see something they do not want them to hear and they're willing to go to this length right to really suppress press freedom in a very open virt way to do not allow the american people to see a different story in the bonus for these same people if they get rid of trouble. i think people look at history. wherever you put it there was always
a breakdown there was always a different reason why the minister of the not sorry to all just collapsed was because the whole place in a corner me in the media even in the military sphere you know. now ultra liberalism is basically going the same way they are establishing monopolies in in science where you have to speak the language you know otherwise you cannot be a scientist you are not a scientist anymore there establish a monopoly in the media very soon there will establish also an economy we're seeing all signs of that and therefore lead to the collapse but one of the problems with monopoly if you could take the soviet union for example is that when you have a monopoly of information what you do is you close yourself off to dissident information contrary information and then you live in a loop and you don't understand the condition because this is you know one of the things that when we look at the tragic event victor when the tragic event in las
vegas going to learn to read them to let them hear the pleasure of conspiracy theories you know why because there is now an intense distrust of the mainstream media they're not getting the truth exactly that the basically the american people have lost trust in the american media in their mainstream media and that's why every single time there is a sensational you want the american people view it is almost a new j.f.k. shooting where right where they are being lied to about genesis of the event about what happened who is behind it so there. should be it's piece shows the lack of trust and particularly you can people can only when you are in the same applies to europe when you're told about what your condition really is and people look around and say but that's not much condition ok i mean what you're telling me you know it's untrue and this is what adds another layer to all of this is because like i
was. said the media in the political stablish we are living in this loop and it's really an evolution because a lot of people look around and say this isn't my reality that you're telling me it is and for instance if you take. what the u.s. made just talking about. the situation in russia you know in one year you will be many supporters coming from all the countries in the world and they will see what is most kono for instance and so this is the reason why i think it won't work it would be a shame for us it isn't of course but it won't work you can for instance in new ukraine's or try to block. twenty four ok so even on the ground those are the grandfather the know how to get through to the pm and he will get to twenty four on the internet so in my opinion last movement of this period. we were going to write a thing is they have for that to happen diem is that i think you are going to have
to see the break up of the near monopolies of like google for example and facebook because they're in cahoots with this all along u.s. senator doesn't fly promotion to silicon valley and say i need numbers i need names ok and that's exactly what we saw happen to facebook you're right there and there but the story with facebook reminds me all of that story between william and he is illustrated in cuba you give me the pictures i give you of the war you know i think it's largely symbolic it was always got these great you know. what it's very similar to what happened in ukraine there are now bork and russian television and radio using that all soviet german. and some of them have been you know have been dismantled beyond repair so the ukrainian government is now well maintained this fact you know these excellent machines we have them but i would go further you know we have to get i think more you critics would have. said well it's too bad there were no. sheens in the soviet then. they find
a way to walk the most but i think it's more than just fake it's also fake science because when you have a monopoly of a certain ideology in science in the soviet union there was a scientific community that was a whole science you would become a doctor of scientific community the problem was that no one so called said difficult many of the books you know because it's the same story you know with nations. that is you know the last place i want to see we are nation building. and after a short break we'll continue our discussion on some real news but are seeing. europe has to either change or cease to exist people who work in this building the e.u. headquarters should change the rules so that the european union would have to work
on fewer issues both with better results should be paying more attention to protecting external borders fighting against terrorism curbing illegal immigration as well as harmonizing economic policies and judicial systems otherwise the europe we have today is dual would transformed into a strange loose community of twenty seven countries with nothing in common. the city of luxury and fame but also an alarming number of people living in the streets. the simple fact in l.a. he's there is just not enough shelter even if people on the streets right now decided to come in there's nowhere to come in it's been a struggle. this man found his own response to the problem and constructed dozens of tiny homes for people in need of shelter when you have nothing in order to go. you know having something like this may as well be a castle but do the. tiny house on
a. parking space is not a solution you're. someone monitoring the site otherwise it'll be a free for all the news there are a better alternative to and the homelessness crisis. welcome back to crossfire where all things considered i'm peter lavelle to remind you we're discussing some real news. ok examine this go to catalonia i mean we have the crisis of legitimacy crisis of optics crisis politics crisis the identity. in brussels never helps. where is this going because it seems like after the unmandated even legal so what
it is referendum that was held that we could go the ensuing violence was absolutely unnecessary the optics for the madrid government was awful for a great deal of the bureaucracy in brussels at the optics were all for. have the kind of madrid and brussels talks themselves into corners now i think you're. quite optimistic for this crisis because the result of the offender is not good because you asked for the position we didn't come so it's because it's what it wasn't legal so they didn't come and there was a position of. independence so it's not an us you can start an independence process was only fifty percent of the petition with you you know if so you know we grew out of that is i think it's really interesting i said this earlier on crossfire when we did a program on it is that the referendum process was illegal under the spanish.
institution however it did happen and i think i would think what's the most regrettable thing is it didn't lead the need that they should have allowed people to vote because exactly it is absolutely right there so we risk is significant it least minority maybe it's closer to i would like to know what their opinion in two thousand and fifteen there were some original election and the least want this election so i couldn't agree more that they could have tried this is again like forced regime change and we this is what i see happening there are a number of aspects so forty two percent voted of the population of catalonia voted in this referendum ninety percent already to perseus ninety percent of the forty two percent voted for independence but one has to look at the fact that we need polling stations were full forcibly shut down by the spanish police and it wasn't just a few it was almost half and if you consider the fact that almost half were shut
down and people are now allowed to vote and also the fact that the referendum was. billed as illegal which also people didn't want to go and have fights with police to get in one can think about how it would kind of go in the field for these people went in so the spanish government made a few mistakes first of all threatening catalonia with taking away its autonomy in response to the surf around them is not worth wasting was not the way to know how to play smart mean or threatening to arrest seven hundred mayors referring to there is a change it shows how scared they were but there's another aspect to this look at the double standards of the european union course of all look at what happened in kosovo where where there was no reference to a friend whom there was you know really there was no equipment from the government in belgrade and no dialogue no dialogue and the e.u.
and the us just food. just course it was independence and then recognized corso as an independent state so what what do we see here completely clear double standard where in those countries the west european union brussels and washington the one to destroy the countries they want to weaken they recognize but but in catalonia no if interesting david you know one man one vote wants ok and this is what's happening within the european union the way i see it i think the european union has handled it very badly but that's what they usually do well i would say that the reaction of the russian government was quite right you know we do not decide the spaniards and they could tell when the ns have to decide it themselves no one can decide it better than themselves but there is an actor in this game which is important that is the european union and russia is not true to that because the european union is lead in an economic war against russia much more than the united states the european union was one hundred billion dollars in that war according to
u.n. estimates russia was fifty five billion dollars so the way they handled the whole situation is terrible because they promised they have. the future europe will be like the story and you can you hear people you know forget about ethnic issues national issues thanks to the european union everyone is going to be happy there didn't happen now they don't even apologize they don't they didn't do a single effort to mediate between this place you think you know and i'm glad you said that because i've seen the scene the future in its field here and that means that maybe they're going to you don't you think that you know what happened here is that brussels has proven itself not to be an honest broker and i think this is. evidently it's evident for everyone involved in my opinions i don't know what to do because on one side spain is a. member of the union so it's a start to organize separatism inside the spain. what we think all the other
country and there is many in europe where there is some territory you know but here we export relations so. and you know it was a science that what they want because europe. it's a dream no money just religion so there are better and in the choice but in my opinion they will because of what happened in ukraine because of what happened and you know. anyone prefer to deal with what they knew with with the know and with the know it's nation so in my opinion your permission it's like full circle we knew that in the beginning you know we did do that but the star if you remember when when the time when that there were if it was a referendum in england the european union supported london and saw. the referendum was won by the royalist and in my opinion it would be more one is the same i couldn't agree more that. government handled it yes but you know
the side again we don't know which was up and but the fact is in two thousand and fifteen there was some local election and just want. want to talk about the calm before the storm one more comment one should come here so at camp and when they were when the british voted for it. or what they said oh well you're leaving the you there for scotland we leave you key to join the e.u. and then i don't know how they're playing the opposite steve levy i think oh get a little you want to leave screen there we want to have you jointly but you're going to. talk to the scottish people when we're still a member because when they refer them. scotland was still a member and was still a member of the opinion so there's a message from the european was. clear if you leave it you will leave as well the
european union knows that i didn't conquer what is a spanish government no and in my opinion it's more clever it's a. transfer of the banks of the business from other to. delia if you can hold somebody hit that only at the end of it because. independence independent is what they want is. it not i don't want. to pay any more i think. they wanted a better deal from madrid and they got what they wished for and i was going i want to talk about. within a week or so donald trump will give us his decision rather to decertify the red nucular deal he told us the calm before the storm here it's just around the president. ok was it in their opinion it wasn't the greatest fuel
but it's a deal nonetheless i think it's the only foreign policy achievement of the obama administration maybe that's exactly why he wants to tear it down because it's an obama agreement that it's in play here well i mean to get in there with a bomb trump has messed up everything you know is it to think about my good probably partially right the improvement of relations with cuba and the iranian deal drom present woud go on do it completely in the rudest possible to you know they're equal fifteen american diplomats from cuba because they've had some acoustic problems so i think there will. be a lot of people blame that on russia if you go to social media but well i mean we always get in your mind leave it in the new might say that he is under. twenty four hours. you know what's in play here because i know it's an international agreement we only can seize a downside for the u.s. these a v. north korea you know. blue screens are saying aha see you can't keep your side of
the agreement the if you like it or not the iran nuclear deal was probably the most important nonpolitical ration you'll ever meet under that regime and frankly these words and actions by trump of the least surprising part of his presidency so far because if you listened to him speak before the election campaign during the election campaign after the election campaign he has. again and again stated his dislike for the euro and did he simply disappears why you never give us the details of why there's a bad season there are several reasons one of these in is that the pianist that i'm putting the station is very closely allied with these really lobby and his son in law is very closely aligned with these very lobby and of course israel has been pushing for this against iran deal ever since it was in the works for oprah dress
the united nations general assembly i have the distinct feeling that that part was written by bibi netanyahu he was certainly he was certainly the only one who was through we had a bunch of your dear yes so that's one reason there's another reason most of the national security establishment has been picked by top whether it's might be the kind of the cia and there are rumors now that he may be policing tillerson in the next few months at the head of. the state department and whether it's james mattis the kind of the pentagon some others even some of those who are we should be seeing let's not get out of the deal right away but every almost every single member of the national security team is iran kwok you know as soon as not necessarily but not necessarily against this deal the want they want to just you know difference between them is not so much that they're not against this deal or
for it but. to get out of it she is somebody who is pretty straightforward he wants to just live with what he was afraid of going to bring i mean but essentially what i think is going to happen it will unfold over the next week is that he's going to try to find a way to make the uranium walk away from the agreement which will be very hard to do you may through congress you may not get what he hopes for will definitely be talking about this topic next week gentlemen many thanks to my guests here in moscow and thanks to our viewers for watching us here you see you next time and remember. the. empire is high that's true but by banning the empire in the case of america it means that the cost of everyday goods will be high in other words if you're not depending on slave labor in china. bombing folks in the middle east for
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the. coming up on r t tensions between washington and tehran as a donald trump is expected to decertify the iran nuclear deal. and the road to recovery in las vegas more than a week after a gunman opened fire on a concert authorities are still searching for his motive. then thousands of people take to the streets in barcelona but this time they're rallying against independence from spain the story later in the show.