tv Cross Talk RT November 28, 2017 10:00pm-10:24pm EST
be ashamed of themselves it's awful what's going on there afghanistan stay the course ok he did leave the iran nuclear deal or in the process the only thing that barack obama did right in foreign policy as far as i can tow arming ukraine syria is a mixed bag north korea of course the tensions we have there which is a lot more complicated than the mainstream media want to talk about and of course as john has pointed out u.s. russia relations are dead in the water go ahead george. yes that's absolutely right by and large he hasn't affected any serious change in u.s. foreign policy but there are indications that he would like to effect some kind of a serious change i mean despite all of the criticisms that he is on the for his suppose that friendliness toward russia even though there's no evidence for it. and and despite of the fact that he's facing a serious prospect of impeachment over his supposed. traitorous attitude toward
russia he has maintained a friendly stance towards russia. he didn't need to meet with putin he did meet with him and then he didn't need to. talk to the press and tell them that he thinks of relations with russia is a good thing and not a bad thing so he took a considerable political risk in doing that and that would indicate to me that he is interested in improving relations with russia so it's a credible a mixed bag we don't yet know how things will evolve i mean you can take a more optimistic view that this is still the first year of a trumpet ministration and that he may decide to go his own way in the second and third years and actually go with his instinct which i think is to improve relations with russia george let me go to china in miami you do say go his
own way i think that's a very interesting way of looking at it inside the thing is that it's not good if trump wants to go is own way or not is if he's going to be allowed to can i think this is what i look at is not necessarily policy but the institutional barriers that are in front of him this is what he faces more than anything else personally i think he would like to rebuild america be in but i believe all that stuff he had to say infrastructure supp like that ok and i think it's something he understands. foreign policy well when he was had the lebanese prime minister right next to me he started criticizing hezbollah mean everybody kind of broke out in laughter hezbollah is part of the government ok but what about the institutional obstacles that are in the way of any kind of trompe in worldview go ahead. well first we came into this trump presidency thinking he would be an isolationist and he would take us out of foreign wars and the fact is that he's got us deeper and deeper in barack obama's war as you stated rightly peter this shameful horrific human rights
violating catastrophe that's going on in yemen but what i see is i see trump the big business man and i see that he's his idea of foreign policy is tweeting name calling and arming to the teeth these oligarchs in in saudi arabia and causing havoc there is now two thousand soldiers u.s. soldiers we found out in syria these are the trump administration is all over the place they don't have a foreign policy the only foreign policy is coming from generals and generals in his cabinet are the ones that are holding him back they're the ones who are actually the same ones in the room is supposedly but i think that trump the idea of going becoming more friendly with russia is a great idea we want to be have friends around the world but we can't do it when you've got a media that so controlled and it's so headstrong and their idea of deciding what
our foreign policy should be foreign policy should come from our governments we should have more control in congress over this this out of control president we see more we see him denouncing the iran agreement which is a great foreign policy the one of the best things barack obama did getting us into this pulling out of cuba over this so-called hoax of of. sonic thing yeah it's ridiculous ok i mean the whole thing is just a joke you know john you know one of the things that came out was a story last week you know when it when apparently the president of the united states that was speaking to the turkish prime. when you said that the u.s. wouldn't be sponsoring kurds in the north of syria and then you come from the state department the pentagon they say they hadn't heard anything about it this is what i'm getting at is that he may have ideas but it doesn't go much further the oil all
over the office it seems like go ahead john well i think it is the first of all anybody who thought that the trumps presidency would bring peace to the world on every front was well i. was dreaming that's not what he said as not what he promised and that's not what we should expect i think i think well yes but i think that. to go back to first of all there is some progress in syria that the trump and and putin did arrange the cease fire in southwest syria the situation there is improved dramatically now they're their forces against that but that's their trump did meet twice with putin once in hamburg and once in southeast asia even though there was a lot of pressure not to do that the atmospherics at those meetings were very good even though there was pressure against all that and the other thing we have to look
at is president xi the atmospherics there are very good i think you know to go back to the tepee that was not just a bad economic deal that was part of that was the economic part of the economic military confrontation with china trump got rid of it and i think rightly that you have to put so i'm not looking for i'm not looking for everything and the problem is i have you know i would offer a very simple thing here. he's president now. and it's not an election and i think that you have to do a very simple thing that the policies and the things that he does that you oppose oppose them fine likely the first three things that you think but there are things if you if he does something you support you should say so because without that support he won't be able to continue it is a great sin i think that's
a great let me question gentlemen i want to kind of push back a little bit what john had to say there i don't think anybody on this panel or our viewers think that was going to be the world was going to sing kumbaya ok with the election of donald trump what he i was going to i'm going on his word i'm going to let that list last interventionism i mean i would have been happy with that just last a bit all right go ahead or go ahead ty go ahead and yeah i just want to ask john i mean when you call. head of a government in north korea little rocket man and you provoke and you provoke a new killer powered country country that is dangerous you've got us our policy that is lunatic changing this not just saying as he would say on when you're talking about p.p. i'm just saying this is a very very dangerous part of his foreign policy if that's a policy at all well how do i how how are we going to deal with this if there if
this if this gets if this heightens the tensions between the united states and north korea not south korea north korea or china north korea but the united states in particular and north korea ok we're going to talk a little bit more about you know what is going to pull out what i just can't hang on gentlemen i'm going to go to a hard break and after that hard break we'll continue our discussion on trump's former. would you say. how do you. want to live with that kind of sin that sent but also haitians sort of but i'm also going there was the question you're still don't get. to go back. but you should want to do so. because i think. from where did you do what we have i don't want to. let go of. this with all. the what. i see when they did your boss tells you off to bed soon.
he will let you know first of all that i think. he's doing an excellent job it's like best. welcome back across the uk where all things are considered i'm peter remind you we're discussing trump's worldview. ok gentlemen the more we talk about of the more we seem to disagree which is good john you want to react quickly to something that time george and myself i just say go ahead i just want to point out i made two points that i thought are maybe three if you want include t v p we're trying to done well now what was the response to that from. the response to that was well let's look at
north korea i wasn't talking about north korea i'm not expecting a lot of north korea i don't think there's going to be a war there because of the stance of russia and china here but i would i think everyone i would ask i don't ask this simple a quick wrap that one i know i want to i want to i want to ask the simple question trump did. something we would like. in meeting with putin and meeting with good atmosphere with sheen and even having some fine economic agreements did you see in any progressive publications did you see any dispatches from the code pink or any of the progressive organizations praising with one word of praise for that i guess you know what have you know you're. great with you john i mean the mainstream media is not going to say anything good about it all about donald trump and that is not talking about the mainstream media well that's what most people get their and their information from you know and i'm sure you know you're going to go
to george on time georget one of the problems i had you know i'll be really honest with you is i was willing to give the benefit of the doubt to this president until he attacked syria a gross violation of international law based on a thousand now in retrospect if somebody had actually done some investigating which nobody wants to do anymore they really they are quick to to draw judgments and to point fingers here that's what i just said no i'm going to push back i didn't want hillary clinton i'm still glad she wasn't president but i made it very clear if we see the same bad behavior i'm going to call it out and that was wrong that is probably a war crime go ahead george. no there's no question that that was a war crime it was a violation of international lawyer was an act of naked aggression it wasn't done on any basis of any kind of serious investigation he rushed into that bombing campaign without doing any kind of laying the groundwork or anything like
that. and that's that's a terrible blot on the administration however it's interesting that he hasn't really followed up on that yet many people who actually were cheering the zalman or the mainstream media who are excited by this expected him now to follow up on this and to launch some kind of a serious bombing campaign against syria or you know a regime change operation of the kind that obama didn't dare venture against assad he didn't do that and having done that bombing he kind of gone back to a much more reasonable say on syria in which he's got a wound on the c.i. a jihadi network and from. what we can gather from that conversation with. last week it looks like it's going to wind down the cooperation with the kurds so
it it does look like he's instinct would be during the campaign which was to basically end the whole regime change operation in syria it does seem to be bearing fruit now yeah and so the good thing is that he didn't follow the hands free money they rule i think there's an gentlemen i think there's a very interesting litmus test right before our eyes right now and it's ukraine time i let me go to you because again there are conflicting reports apparently there is a debate going on inside the white house in the in the early other agencies to report to the executive branch i think it's very interesting is that you know if lethal weapons were given to the partition go regime that conflict will heat up more. ok after what almost twelve thousand deaths there has been aggression coming from kiev towards the dumbass here if trump somehow signs off on that then again this this it's this the same perpetuation of a foreign policy we've seen for decades now i always say on this program it's the
genetic code it doesn't matter who is president the same kind of aggression will continue to be repeated go ahead well we see that a part of of trump's foreign policy is to sell arms wherever anybody is willing to buy the good point so we also have seen a uptick in the violence in eastern ukraine where we're seeing aggression both sides i believe but definitely coming from the the what's called the ukraine government at the moment we we i believe that the trump government the reason it looks like they're hemming and hawing is because they're very covert we don't know what they're doing as opposed to obama being a little bit more open but it getting back to syria i don't know where that's coming about there we just heard that there is thirty percent more civilian casualties and that's from a new york times article we don't know the facts but there are thirty times more
civilians died in syria in iraq fighting isis then then united swell to a tie you should know i don't why i should like these you should be thankful to r g because we do report those things ok i'm so proud of this network's coverage of syria because it really blew off the lid of the the pure nonsense that the mainstream was pumping out it was a really disgraceful coverage of the conflict here and i'd like to point out since we're on the topic here. take a look at the mainstream media and you'll never hear that rush it was played an instrumental role and in defeating these terrorists ok you never hear that ever hear that you hear on fox news trump. is winning in syria you know it's trump isn't winning in syria ok it's others here you know john it's good to go back to it's already been it's been mentioned on this program already it really does look like a general general's foreign policy here if you're in the oval office watching the president or you over the pay and they're given
a lot more discretion you know i find that very troubling go ahead john well i think that the remarks that your first guest made and syria were excellent yes there was that bombing which the progress so-called progress of love to focus on the one bombing of the airbase but there was there's also been ceasefires which saved a lot of lives and there's also been a cutoff of cia funding to the jihadi s. that you have to look at to so well you oppose one i oppose that. you've got to support the other you get the same kind of age you know. well i was your guest just said. a few minutes ago well you know and i'm glad i could i can address that here i know i get a involved i get it i could address that it does appear that some of the operations have gone you know they've. gone lower in their intensity or even disappeared to
some extent however we do know we do know if george here i mean what are those thousands to thousands probably more american troops doing in syria there's no justification for it if we want to avoid isis two point zero or you know what it becomes a magnet for terrorists ok i haven't we learned that after fifteen years of this nonsense ok when you leave it will probably intensity will go down it's commonsense go ahead george. exactly they it makes absolutely no sense of the two thousand there i guess this isn't mattresses policy defense secretary mabus this policy that he would use this two thousand troops left holding on to some of the oil fields yeah exactly as a leverage against us but i don't think that it's a sustainable because with turkey and iraq on the russian side and want to pursue
the style the peace process how is it going to keep. two thousand troops alive body and soul there so you know it's not a sustainable military operation you know tell you one of the things i find very disturbing and it looks like it was jared cushion or that was involved is involved in this gambit with the saudis after the events that played out of the lebanon i again i find this really disturbing i we would all like to see peace in the middle east i think across the spectrum we'd like to see that there are obviously some players the want more war the better and you know exactly who i'm talking about here but again is this a private operation with jared in the saudis and apparently the state department was in in the dark about this again i find this very troubling that's why i keep asking is there a trumpy in view of the world because we keep looking it's separate issues i'm asking are there any dots that connected all go ahead. yeah i mean trump goes to saudi arabia dances with the brutal despots and now they feel emboldened and
they're talking about this phony. war with iran you know this ron is backing hezbollah which is rightfully defending lebanon's border against terrorists from isis and supposedly iran is getting involved in lebanon the this is all this is all about israel the fact that. jared cushion or is there and trump has not come out and said one word about the building of new giant settlements in palestine there is no push towards of israel palestine peace agreement and the saudis are only instigating terrorism in syria we know that for a fact i don't know why we can't talk about it it seems like the third rail of politics now is not israel it's saudi arabia ok when you read images of let me jump in here let me give john the last summer dear i'm going to give john the last word
twenty five seconds my friend go ahead. well i would say that the whole the killie's heel of trump's wish to to get along as he says with russia has always been iran i don't think that's possible if he if he turns around into into an enemy but the basic problem there is that trump skull like capitol hill is the israeli occupied territory so that's the problem that is the key problem i think right now in some sort of as steven cohen calls a detente two point zero with russia and i hope he gets to pursue it now everything he does well i support we have he does we have we have a lot of differences here but i think at the end of the program i think we came to a lot of agreement at least on one topic here we've run out of time many thanks to my guests in miami new york and in berkeley and thanks to our viewers for watching us here darkie see you next time and remember.
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