the vision is a very good question and it implies i suppose this is my britain of view should we europeans really early adopt a common foreign policy i'm convinced that a common foreign policy would abide international law much more easily as you well know the intervention in libya was designed to one place plus one european countries not by the european union it could never have been a european initiative but the italy still eagerly participated in s. or in italy perhaps would have done it either way it's early but. in a sort of the later bombing of tripoli or through the no it was a sort of third stage but in any event i'm not here to defend the me here to
explain to you that when ulterior spin a leader and the founding fathers of the utopian idea said we have to fear their way to this day it's what was the reason for it the reason why because as long as they enjoy is clues if so over the n.t. they will aggressive to others and they will violate the rules this is continued this pint to the european union mostly because the european union is not sufficiently a union in foreign policy what makes you believe that even if your strength and the mechanisms of integration if you make them more formal that there is a tendency is will be arraigned then because there is you know as we know in politics there is always a formal way but when the formal way doesn't work you can always say this is not a matter for mal it is this is a matter. sharing decisions and their food in making these decisions.
only through the necessary consensus has been reached around the european union the decision to turn. libya could not have been taken what can i tell you believe me i have no other because this is a counterfactual history and history is another one but i'm still convinced that there really. is very useful to reduce their aggressive propensity but it was not the head that that's the thing it was not an act of aggression i think back in two thousand and eleven it was seen as a humanitarian intervention and it was actually something good it was basically eliminating gadhafi so you don't think it was trying to spread the european and western values. it was eliminating good there is an opinion here in russia that one
of the reasons why the united states and to some extent western europe make the four positive such as that they make is that because they have been following insulated from the consequences of those decisions now europe obviously is no longer insulated from its policy from the consequences of its foreign policy in the middle east and north africa you're dealing with lots of migrants coming into your country it is putting a serious challenge to you and compounding many other challenges that you face at the moment do you think that may in a way sober up the decision making when it comes to international politics at least as far as the european if you need the most amount we saw. and so successful as we are in economic this is and to lead so we have been successful in. individual rise
and the spreading them on an equal basis in to all of our member station you become a victim of your own success in that way not at all we have not been successful in internation other matters so that's the point this is where nation sub at and t. has remained but it is so clear when we tried to fix it up and we adopted old you so to gear its. international politics it remained as a productive of the member states i mean it's not normal why because there are the external relationships of the community and the foreign policies of the individual member states and the poor high representative have to be has to be present both the so this is not a success these are
a difficult compromise immigration is one of these areas where from outside people tend to see europe as a sword to of you need a single lend this makes the single very difficult with countries like eternity and greece there are the gates as we say of you dope but are forced to behave as if the immigrants lending you both thing reason they need to be. where for eternity and greece only so this is the a c. miter that still remains well mr martin we have to take a very short break but we will be back in just a few moments second. of
course. but politicians do something to. put themselves on the line. to get accepted over checked. so when you want to be president. or somehow want to be pressed. to do like to be press this is what the forecast for you in the morning can be good good i'm interested always in the waters about how to. question. apply for many probes over the years so i know the guy even so i got. the ball isn't only about what happens on the pitch to the final school it's about the
passion from the families it's the age of the super manager billionaire owners and spending two to twenty million flyer. it's an experience like nothing else going to because i want to share what i think what i know about the beautiful game but great so one more chance with. the thinks it's going to. welcome back to worlds apart with giuliana mother former prime minister of italy mr maher just before the break we were talking about the law being influenced by political considerations internationally but obviously it also happens in the domestic landscape we have a major issue with independent judiciary here in russia but it also seems to be
increasingly an issue in other european countries like for example poland or ukraine and those countries rhetorical it least have long embraced the western way is that really an issue of valleys why do you think it's so difficult to insulate politics and the judiciary. in the domestic context as it is a constitutional law scholar i find it very much understandable that after years of communities the notion of the concentration of power prevails upon the notion of division of words because the communist regime was based it formally i mean david. i had him over there and take it out of the economy . of ours when i was discussing with. the open ration that was necessary for these new states to and into the
european union build the market of a communist economy build the liberal democratic stay. of communist states the how us difficulty was in the circle and not in the fruits too on. precisely because of this reason creating an independent judiciary i could use the this is some times difficult old in with renewed or there are people commission is now a century in poland for misbehaving and poland essentially response by saying that it's not your business and i think that touches on the subject you often talk about reaches this a permissive national or versus the primacy of regulations i suspect that your heart will prevent the european commission but do you see any merit in the polish
argument that they should be allowed some space of making their own decisions and some space to develop democracy the way they seem necessary. there are limits of course. in. the huge construction like the european union should be not eliminated but absorbed that somebody has returned having said so there are limits so all of us all of us ever except that we respect the rule of law we concede the independence of the judiciary. part of the rule of law something that from the polish point can be argued to rupp's i'm not sure. they could say but appointing judges it is not
necessarily. threatening their independence because if you argue that appointing judges excludes the independence of the judiciary the u. s. is out of the rule of law because we know that federal judges are appointed by by the president so there is. a margin of discussion but within limits really because what has happened in poland in relation to the coast it. is let me say so beyond the credibility of the financial times had an article the other day saying that poland was where the soviet empire began to crumble and that it may well be the place where the future of the e.u. will be decided do you agree with that now why not no to thaw not at all no because
poland is an important european country it's one of the big. after ball and. whatever happens in poland affects the union and this is something i am convinced but not that poland will lead to do you know we're it's a disruption this is something i don't think there is something that is to do with kids seeing ski give the time to go back to his country things might change and all of this is sort of. need to of the present my. changed you know one parallel i would draw red the soviet union first human to parallels i think one is this intention by the soviet union to centrally mandate policies rather than lead the regions to develop at their own pace and the
second one would be the very linear view of history in progress that you only go from certain point to the next point without allowing a country or society to make its own mistakes isn't it helpful ultimately for the democratic process for poland for hungry for russia for ukraine for anyone else to make its own mistakes and to strengthen that democratic motherland there is a limit there is a little a limit to the because. something that is really important for us is not to be only a common market but as we say to be a community of values you moaned to me cured on mr bird even if you. steadily and proven in plea contradict the common values you create a problem absolutely you create a problem also. on the outside friends because we needed
to be perceived as the community of the that is something that we are very affectionate to the fact that no member of the european union can accept the death penalty and no country adopt still adopting the penalty can be accepted as a member of the union imagine that we accept a country to make its own mistake adopting the death penalty we don't really care about i could tell you that italy has had its own a very long history you have pages. in your history that i'm sure you are very proud of fascism for example and yet you managed to build your society on it when you say that all countries have to comply with certain values didn't don't you deny them an opportunity to arrive at the appreciation of the values by themselves
rather than being mandated by some central they are not mandated to don't adopt these views of brussel as if it were as soviet power world that you must go cried stu don't mean a. why. are we to be an servile communities it is not so the only power in the commission now as far as soft power is not too. aggressive well certainly you know it less than times it is there is a torrent as you rightly really has been perceived the don't believe the commission with its soft power its power words abut solved open up a dialogue among the member states all of them discussing with the charter the respect of the rule of law that exists in each of them because you will find that
perhaps the value elations by poland are made crowe others might be minor but lucas of migrants how the treaty over what country you will realize the country you will realize that the rule of law is a splendid do but the compliance with it is not to split the bills in other countries this is to be done the dialogue but it's a dialogue it's not a soviet word on the poor poland well good to know can i ask you very quickly about another country that is involved in negotiations with the. united kingdom i know that you were greatly disappointed by the result of the backset vote even though you yourself wrote that article thirty did you ever think that it would have been invoked. no my purpose in proposing and
shaping the three paragraphs of that was if they have it or they won't use it because frequently they hear. you are doing so many things difficult to accept for the ass and it's impossible to walk out it's impossible to work out we are prisoners of this bureaucracy or brussels accent and know the door is there and you can open it so feel more relaxed inside the union but the fact of the matter is that those who voted to cajun gave a majority to bracks it know it has to be seen were. under the light of the actual conditions that are not defined yet of the exit they will really be ready to do it
i can see the issue open but it's too early to say can i ask you specifically about that because i heard you express that hope of the british reckon fettering that decision before and i want a fair it's a continental europe to you. just see there and wait for the u.k. to decide for another child whether it one this is not europe is doing this is what i'm saying but europe is negotiating with a very rigid the time table they have concluded that the first stage of negotiations which is the states devoted to how much it costs to you to leave and they have found an agreement which is allow them to open up the second stage of negotiations which relates not to the past. the cost but to the future
these will be the real negotiations and the time is going to lead me to until next year the braxton vote was ultimately result of very self-serving political decision you can argue that what we see now transpire in poland is also a result of self-serving politics do you think the e.u. is treating poland and the u.k. . by the same standard in this case because it seems to me. later on paul and then on the difficult for me. to to the two situation. the same kind. the benchmark because poland is a member of the union that has no intention to deceive even mr tasks that could be an up or a possibility if poland is pressed too hard. there is always a possibility but at the moment poland is
a member of the. common use bridge the u.k. which is not by your later any come along as this press the view to leave. and therefore we are negotiating with them it is to be clear if they don't want migrants easily and to ring into the. they have to set a rigid border between north and in ireland and the republic if they don't want to read the border between the two i rely on lampedusa will be in dublin. and this is the untractable problem that they have created to themselves is not my form polish your letter we have to leave it there really appreciate your time and tell us. please keep the conversation going on our
experiencing a bit of a fall back. the two thousand and eight economic crisis turned some countries into pigs these were the countries with weaker economies that needed austerity policies if you are in a situation of flow bloat even the recession austerity is a very bad idea it doesn't work and it makes millions of people very unhappy those who are unemployed see their wages decline off the almost a decade how good are the results she saw all of it during peaceful by the if you will be a catalyst to watch the world get people to see what i do enjoy a choice to treat it be it will be she is still to come what was i mean to for legal. challenge must be more than this she did not was always think it she somehow they're not getting about. why at the same missions still in place who one of the consequences is to weaken blue bird flu disputable who will first
a now retracted announcement by the u.s. that it would set up a kurdish border for something that enraged. olympic peace north and south korea reach a breakthrough deal to march and compete under one flag at the upcoming winter games but that comes as western leaders decide it is time with to up the ante against. the pressure to get him to continue to intensify that pressure. cutting off diplomatic ties with north korea. and in germany the vote on coalition talks with on the merkel's party sees it as leader martin schulz visibly uneasy as even though he gets the green light the social democrats are clearly split on the issue.
of broadcasting live direct from our studios in moscow this is r t international john thomas you were watching our weekly program would have with us now turkish tanks are rolling into syria supported by air power and ground troops with a military operation against kurds in the region now in full swing. and we can show you pictures we've received from the turkish syrian border taken. these are images of turkish rockets fired from a type of prominence in the south of turkey you can also see turkish artillery firing on kurdish positions he's really trying to extend the situation on the border for us to get a clear picture of what's going on between the turks and the kurds along syria's northern border we should look at the map this is where the kurds are the two
yellow areas the one on the left is the african region that's the new war zone the turkish army entered it from the northwest plus they used airstrikes the green area is where the turkish backed syrian rebels are these are the militias that ankara is counting on on the ground there moving in on afrin from the east turkey's claws are being drawn together turkey has officially made it clear they are determined to create a thirty kilometer buffer zone right here along the border once the actual armed operation is done and dusted there's little doubt that the turks have enough military capabilities for that so the buffer zone will mean effectively that a part of syria is under turkish control at the moment it seems ankara isn't going to stop there they want the operation to extend further east as well as president aired on announced towards. a city also controlled by the kurds it's and this other
kurdish enclave when it comes to the kurdish forces they say they've been returning fire the kurds also claim they managed to repel the offensive speaking of casualties for now the kurds say. there have already been quite a few mostly civilians it's all lies says ankara they say they've only killed fighters or terrorists as turkey puts it the turkish military is trying to reassure everyone it will take precautions to minimize civilian casualties but in the media reports we also saw more threats from the turkish government like the prime minister saying anyone who helps the kurds with weapons well automatically become a target for and corrosive. but it is not just the kurds that have sustained damage during operation olive branch this turkish city was hit by three rockets fired from syrian territory the turkish troops are now carrying out their operations one
person was killed more than thirty others were injured in the shelling according to the local official. me turkish incursion follows outrage over america's recent claim it now retracted that it would create a force to patrol the turkey syria border this was to consist of syrian democratic forces which are made up of largely kurdish militia the coalition is working jointly with the syrian democratic forces to establish and train the new syrian border security force currently there are approximately two hundred thirty individuals training in the b.s.f. in all groups plus with the goal of a final full size of approximately thirty thousand. soon after the announcement u.s. secretary of state rex tillerson backtracked he clarified that the whole situation had been missed described and ruled out the creation of a border force but here are pictures of kurdish forces who have already gradually waded excuse me from a u.s.
led it training course aimed at establishing the border security forces that washington now claims will not exist here consists of five hundred men and is reportedly the second to have graduated we spoke with last month lago glu a former turkish ambassador to the us who believes the situation has acted as a trigger for turkey. i don't think the us really. but the us is responsible is the reason why turkey felt compelled to intervene to stop this operation in the first place because. the u.s. even though they backtracked. initial announcement and addition had they want to establish an army of course paradigm force in most all countries of the world there is only one flag one army so but the u.s. says i'm going to create another force to patrol and control and secure syria's
border with turkey what does this mean turkey is not an enemy or syria turkey is not an enemy of to us turkey is a member of nato so it doesn't make sense and i think turkey was quite right in percy having this step as a direct threat to its national security. in light of recent events in the u.s. state department issued a rather measured statement the department's spokesperson said it turkey should ensure its military operations were limited in time and scope that is after the turkish president earlier today accused its allies of providing military support to the kurds with washington first and foremost in his fire. the texas president added one has come out with guns blazing and some pretty harsh way for the trump administration. america do not include.