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things austerities over june into part two of the show one thing is certain though the u.k. has decided to slash spending on law enforcement officers with twenty thousand fewer police officers in twenty ten this is britain according to theresa may and main stream media has come under concerted attack from the biggest country on earth russia after u.k. failure to overthrow assad of syria russia stands accused of attempting assassinations ahead of its world cup and hacking everything from the n.h.s. to bricks joining me as well a senior british army intelligence officer philip ingram m b philip thanks for coming back on first of all straight through the naming by the spelling cat organization of an attempted assassin using our team information well yes i understand the culture using r.t. as one of their intelligence sources so well done for working for them but no i think the blink of investigation is a fantastic piece of investigative journalism they've managed to expose the real names of these two individuals and i believe that british intelligence services
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will ignore them anyway but what they've done is the show on the amount of personal information out there is of it on the internet in league databases and elsewhere individuals whose personal security and their operational security should be protected hugely so i think this is a huge embarrassment to the g.r.u. and to president putin he said british intelligence you presume already were aware why did they not tell the british government so that they could sell of the dispatch board and say both of these people are decorated by putin himself well i'm a did say that she believed that the two individuals were traveling under false identities and then she said very very clearly that they were members of the g. or you and blame them very clearly and that's the pieces there the subtlety the british intelligence services their sources could have been highly classified sources so they wouldn't want to release the names did up them to compromise their sources so it's better that it's come out through invest could have journal. you
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know what i'm getting at though if the kremlin and the russian government are basically saying denying all of this. could easily have stood there and said look i've got the passport these are the names and presumably into this photo of the friend of the grandmother but she said she didn't she didn't she didn't need to you she didn't need to go into the detail she got sufficient detail into the crown prosecution service them to bring charges all she needed to do was bring charges on it but were good enough for an interpol red notice to go out so for someone to be arrested pending extradition. proceedings or for european arrest warrant only had to do that because as you know the criticism of this whole story is that how is it these two men in this these great investigative journalists as you portray them. appeared to have outwitted to multi billion dollar nato intelligence security infrastructure because it would be in the interests of nato nations to present this
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evidence to the public to say we've caught him this is putin this is modern russia well i think that's come out through the previous occasions come up through the investigative journalism which i understand the u.k. authorities have. not disagreed with the findings which is a tacit way of saying we agree with it but he didn't it didn't need to come out. putin was never going to extra these individuals to the u.k. to. be charged to the british people need to be aware that they are being targeted i mean i want to ask you about that what is the extent of this because we're hearing i'll get on the brakes in a second but the n.h.s. cancer research supports are dropping m h seventeen betting that says they're going to. i mean how in danger are we from well you could you could expand on how much espionage is going on on a daily basis and it's never going away you know it's i think the second oldest profession ever since the cold war finished a lot of the western nations turned on went oh brilliant that's we can shift our
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resources to counterterrorism and they did a lot of the more traditional espionage leading states like russia china and others is very dangerous indeed the russian embassy of course deny this and they say and again if everything is done by the book. they say why is the british government refusing to comply with article thirty six of the one hundred sixty three vienna convention with respect to consular access to protect the script rights under that convention is that is it your understanding the reason why britain technically appears to be violating that coverage and is to protect them because russia would endanger their lot i think it comes down to actually their individual wishes and from what i understand i don't know that we. can talk to them. will someone will have been talking to them but they will be able to make their own choice and surgeons cripple himself as part of his resettlement will almost certainly be given a british passports will be a british citizen group of. a russian citizen it's her choice as to who she accepts
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help from and she did stand in front of television and say that she was aware of the offers that have been made but didn't want to fall away in this as a journalist and i mean i should know this because during the iraq war obviously it was our intelligence services i just can't get this information i have to rely on people like you telling me that they know what you call you know and that's the way of the iraq war zone was brought up and here's where there's a misunderstanding as to what was a politically politically driven and publicly released document and what was a piece of intelligence i saw what became the dodgy dossier i saw the dossier as it left the defense intelligence stuff in the u.k. and it was a comprehensive well thought through balanced piece of intelligence work but whenever it then within for a briefing on the classified material taken out by known intelligence professionals and when it was briefing notes for politicians to make decisions on a lot of the cubbie arts which were the warnings that were in there this was going
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to inquire you don't see this particular case when it comes to russia as necessarily political i don't think there is at all because if you look at the analysis that's been done on the fact some of the presented facts from copies of documents from everything else in the offices in there it's a very clear. piece of script there's nothing in there that i would suggest is politically driven but it was russia is accused of hacking the o.p.c. w. corbett was elected because of twenty zero eight breck's it happened because of unhappiness with the policy do you expect that there will be an inquiry and do you think that russia one breaks no i don't think russia will and i don't think that will be an inquiry but we're in again no we're if you look at warfare we're first changing and i'd say quote some written fantastic book on this ago patrick and his book is called alternative war and alternative war is all about the use of perception so when we're dealing with you as
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a human being i'm hiking your certain levels american you think in a slightly different way by providing information in different ways and targeting and targeting that information to meet your requirements shankar is the ultimate hacker will shakespear is but you know this is where the whole can be done a little thing came in with facebook because people's individual facebook profiles and this is were that were taken and used to target individuals know that nations are looking at it and some nations are much better using information and data misinformation than other nations russia's got a word for a doctrine. which is masking and the sooner the statement comes out that they don't like other statements will come out from different russian organizations saying no it wasn't us gov it must have been this it must been this must been this will immediately after surgery scripts all got attacked poor people that are destroying the planet are little rights than happy while china is doing loads for renewable energy the biggest infrastructure campaigns in history let's go to this story about
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china yes evening standard report sex and the faulty bang hallway are under investigation for taking bribes says china this is after his seeming abduction by the chinese communist party authorities yet have interpol says two interesting parts of this they say he's being tainted by his do young congress. he was the head the chief of security he said a life sentence as far as i know in china for corruption and they say that he misled mang by his other point are there any other set of circumstances to be an outrage but it's convenient because it is china that saw the why the west said the limousine u.n. security. council where is everyone talking about this you were the deputy chair of the all party parliament i was in or in parliament if you were still there what would you be saying about this well i would be saying there's a double standard going on in favor of china on this occasion because the west will probably love this story because it makes china look a little bit dodgy john and that's remember a little bit
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a little bit even to the into a whole conference on november the sixth. i'm not going busy but the thing about this is they don't like the fact that a little bit of might be sticking to china remember china's could be the biggest economy in the world and that's pretty much on stoppable now it's a little bit of going to china its way we all sit tight in any other circumstance this would be the human rights story of the week where we didn't go to the british army intelligence officer phillip ingram just now about this next story that you've chosen i should have perhaps because the middle to be able to say we are safe because of these things to get take us through this well the times post britain takes on russia's military might with fleet of thousand pound drones are amazing and the correction is not quite a thousand pounds a bit cheaper than that time with a gift for families last christmas that's right we could have conscript to drones in the event of a russian invasion instead of sending great big tanks and everything else sending a few of the of those into this war games exercise we're sending lots of drones
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that's going to keep the bear at bay afshan look at the bare. wood you make of this well it just shows how much the british army has cut back it seems that this time compared to the last time it's shrunk by seventy five percent in the previous similar exercises there was sixty six challenger two tanks this time it's. eighteen and because it's all cyber warfare now as we were saying before we don't need any tank we don't need any soldiers we don't need any people his the weasel phrase moscow has repeatedly stated it would never attack any nato allies so all of this potentially for naught meanwhile this tory newspaper well known for supporting fat just as the daily mail always puts corbin articles on the front page the guardian the guardian and this is a beautiful story we live in a utopia option as labor voters should look afresh at the conservatives to reason eight what a surprise she would say that but the picture she paints the n.h.s. is in great hands the fact that we've got great investment in education to give
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everyone a chance all of this is described in this utopian beautiful paradise type way by to reason. well children of all this and i quote theresa may millions of people who have supported labor all their lives are appalled by what has happened to a once great party under the leadership of gerry coburn i didn't know she thought labor was ever a once great party that's the scoop to raise a maze of socialist vote she must have been to subside one point corbin's expenditure as a proportion of g.d.p. is less than misses that it's hardly radical a bit of that and you look at the facts cancer waiting times are at the worst ever level in england one in ten school employees brings extra food in for the pupils who are so disadvantaged and it says treatments fell by eighty four thousand the first seven months of twenty eight hundred compared to the previous year she's living in one world where living in another post called great britain parallel universe me thinks more people will work on zero contracts and in the time in our history there's great stories about the negative side of it out there and some
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people are taking new initiatives that less thoughtful people politicians are good we don't even think about take us through this amazing new initiative creativity is free option as michael gove proves the new european reports go from oxford to kensi and proposal to allow brits to sift through their rubble. well with this nothing wrong what is the if you like walking around on rubbish tips it's literally to can see and the idea comes from our mutual friend apparently a book which govt loves this is gove michael gove who is michael a very a form of very senior staff horace johnson in the back religious yeah but very senior member of british parliament still a black city a grandee and he says that the public go into rubbish tips and make something new out of the old you never go into a rubbish tip to seek the old environmentally unfriendly cathode rage television set or washing machine or time with funnily enough not very often but this could be the future but it could be we should all be doing this that the middle class go
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that's what this shouldn't just be the preserve of the poor or this is something that everyone should be allowed to do go house not surprisingly been slammed for this way or half used to paint and that's a good thing to do i mean they allow us to search landfills aids really. i mean this is environmentally friendly going to follow you for the next few weeks to see if you take on gove's idea half of your will be one color another half will be the other plants all being free because it's coming from landfill are saying that it's rubbish limburger pig fake. well as you get charities political parties and perhaps even royals draw attention to the arguable crisis and u.k. mental health services for world mental health day today will be even mentioned the impact of years of austerity cuts cuts brought on by bailing out the bankers in the city of london ten years ago this week joining me now is paula peters she's an activist for disabled people against cuts and chair of the brought me in croydon you know community she deepak and the unite community will be highlighting the
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experiences of universal credit claimants outside of bromley job center in south east london for world mental health day today paula welcome to going on the grounds of today world mental health day tourism a year ago personally said millions are to benefit from the tackling of the injustice of. mental illness by her government how do you see it a deepak well they live in a parallel universe to us mimo toast how do they explain that children with severe injury mental health distress are if you have you only get access to children's adolescent mental health services if you're actively suicide or i mean suicidal ideation in the last five years we've seen in two hundred fifty thousand children tonight access to mental health services and support that they desperately need we're seeing cuts to specialist mental health support in scholes and we say in with eight years of austerity mental health distress is actually rising the threat of
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suicide would obviously tell any of us to contact our local health charities the samaritans and so on but how important is charity to government policy because i understand the the big swing from the british government is that the taxpayers' money is going to go into the citizens advice bureau movement you know we saw citizens advice one a fifty one million pound contract from the data no work and pensions to a good thing sure well they get money from the government for funding when you see vice in some of their surgeries use workfare which is forced unpaid work inside their offices they are very much clued in with the government as are most national charities they're in a catch twenty two situation but i was interim government from his advice but i mean is the point there that they are giving money to explain the policy which will
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basically mean that the claimant will be told it says advise you're in trouble yeah basically those are things we can reel off yet but when you're saying like i say when you say insistence advice they are using forced paid work for claimants. go to work experience it's advice if you don't take that work that you. the sanctions again again ramping up your mental distress a lot of these charities they're multi million pound organizations. when you see their chief executive offices and i have a six figure salaries to three hundred thousand a year where is the money go and when people turn out to these charities what we've done in the last six months when we found estimates by the secretary of state for the data b.p. was on the advisory board to samaritans where people in serious crisis contact samaritans for support when she was found out she was on the advisory board deepak along with many other grassroots campaigns run
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a campaign to remove her from that advisory board that is a kick in the tasty millions of people in mental distress she's ramping up mental distress with the heinous policies that she and the conservative government are implementing today here the devotion to work invention secretary gave quite a barnstorming speech at the conference raised quite a few eyebrows right across the sector. joy she would she would deny that she was doing what you're saying any hope that the united nations investigation into what she's doing or d.w.p. for these alleged atrocities that people like deep or girl urging. any hope of the united nations can do some first of all we refute wholeheartedly. what estimates i said last week that the cuts to. payments for person independence payments employment support allowance jobseeker's allowance are
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real news and we have eight years of evidence to back up news yeah well it's not fake news they are real stories millions of people affected by these policies can say you know i've been plunged further into poverty and destitution as a result of the the news policies and regard in the united nations investigation there's been a year is of written and oral evidence to back up millions of crime and. has been plunged further into mental distress further into isolation as a result of d.w.p. policy and it should be noted that government where the first state in the world to be formally investigated under the united nations convention or the rights of people or disabilities in found guilty of grave in systemic human rights violations then in twenty seventeen the committee ruled that cuts that disabled people and
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people in mental distress were experiencing merchantman catastrophe on our lives and the un rapporteur for poverty is about to visit the u.k. here in november and they're coming here because this overwhelming evidence to show that disabled people people in mental distress are plunged further into poverty by the cuts this government all right making it's not fake news it's real news and we need to continue the fight to get the chief out there what this government and the ball of work and pensions will universal credit is a big element of this they say they committed to ensuring that every child gets the very best chances in life. in relation to that they've told us household incomes have never been higher fewer in absolute poverty three hundred thousand children the tories alone or with the liberals have got thirty billion if the un special rapporteur isn't let into britain because of course the special rapporteur was not let into the so-called detention camps or immigration how did you guess what would
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you like to tell that record that they were no there was no the un have heard from families who've lost loved ones as a result of been found fit to work from. mental distress they ramped up because of the constant reassessments they've met with great information. varies coming to the u.k. but if we could say anything to the rapids. you know here the millions of people who've been affected by thirty have been affected to cuts to mental health services who have been left are slated for age left in.

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