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system in which we have found eight morton giants and the question of extinction i've put as number seven seventh's big giant but the one i think will tip the balance in favor of moving towards a basic income why because if you are remotely concerned about the things you've just been talking about. and you see this ecological catastrophe rushing towards us you know very well that we've got to tackle fossil fuel we've got to tackle greenhouse emissions we've got to tackle air pollution if we want to confront that giant that's facing us we have to have much higher taxes on polluting things but if you use the revenue from the carbon tax to pay out the common dividend to everybody this common dividend the world of the
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common dividend the government tories nick boldero all the backbenchers problem tories is a dangerous lot since the seem to be big skepticism about a popular supposing just forty one percent support of it and most people just saying if you give money to everyone. well you've kind of said that we can't afford it already but it would lead to inflation and people would become lazy no the first thing is that the inflation effect is rubbish because it's one hand in economics basically what you're doing is you're taping money from some other purpose that's being there in order to give people a basic income so what you're doing is recycling money that's already in the system rich people given the bank though will be spending no rich people spend it on luxury goods and put it in tax havens and the rest of it depleting our economy and our society of needed income but if you had a calm. dividend or
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a basic income for everybody what you do is this you tend to have an increase in demand for local goods and services because the lower income people spend their money locally then generates employment economic activity and as a multiplier effect on the economy so you increase demand for those goods that increases the supply there's no there's no inflationary impact and that's a level around five thousand pounds each well i think the a moment here is that the amount we can back to my my own view is that we've got to start at low level because we've got to get funds to pay for it and that we can come back to but you can easily get the funds the report discusses various ways you can do that and then we gradually build up the level if we abolish personal income tax allowances right now and use the money that's actually being foregone that thereby to pay out every man and woman
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a basic income they would get forty eight pounds a week when they've paid their rent and they paid their food and they paid their gas or electricity have twenty pounds left for everything else at the end of the week so you if they were to get an increase of forty eight pounds without conditions that's going to make a huge difference to their look at the un special rapporteur on extreme poverty is the poverty in britain right now was a political choice and comparable to sub-saharan africa using this we'd never get another u.n. reporter in britain saying that poverty in this country could be compared to sub-saharan africa which is really more or less. the man you're talking about is a personal friend he was really shocked when he came to this country to do that report he's written to me last week to say hopes the report goes well and this would solve it is a stroke well there is no nutrition we're no i purposely say that a basic thing even if it was one hundred pounds and we can. what it is no panacea
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it's not a stand alone policy it's potentially transformative because it opens up a direction a new direction away from the conditionality of universal credit and all the terrifying aspects of universal credit moves towards saying we should confront those eight giants we should have a different type of society in which we confront inequality that's the first giant we confront economic insecurity that's the second time i don't think it's appreciated by enough people that across this country today economic insecurity is is a pandemic we've gone a long way down the road to targeting on the poor. means testing now means testing means that i've got to as a bureaucrat identify someone who is poor right only that person will get
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a benefit or a service or whatever it but then if you ask well ok suppose he is poor because of his own fault or these lazy or is drugs or rest of it so we have to introduce behavior testing once you have to there are you doing this right are you doing that i am doing them intruding into people's lives. computer says no and then leads that leads to sanctions as we've seen and everybody who knows anything about the system and that's why i think the politicians are being dishonest everybody you know is that the more you go down that road. the more people who should be receiving benefits are excluded because you've been you were on the podium which answer joe mcdonald it was labor that pioneered subsidizing top up wages for big multinational companies companies where they could pay supermarket checkout less it was labor that supporters these these sorts of elements of the welfare state
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tax credits minimum wages the minimum wage why do we need this where you see those all failed attempts at equality i broadly in favor of the minimum wage sounds good it does some good set standards but as a show in the report remarkably few employers have been prosecuted under either labor or tories or the coalition's very few it's easy for a clever employer to get round these systems i want them so don't you know i'm not against a minimum wage or a fair wage war all of this stuff but we shouldn't expect too much of it will the liberal democrat leader or vince cable he said this kind of idea is more him and isn't of aymer and and milton friedman and the tories are also saying the reason why this is dangerous is that you are taking away the choice of the person and the
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choice of the lawyer i think the absurdity of those remarks is revealed both things label did say we're way way quickly. given you know you compare yourself to but no no quite and i think it's absurd that just because. incidentally i mean given an analogy. i don't hitler was in favor of a national health service. does this mean you and i should be against a national health service because somebody favored it and rand as you mention quite clearly mad in my view what we're proposing is that common dividends as basic incomes payments should be a sharing of public wealth and you identify you could afford to be a book about it that this is something very british you trace it to some of the magna carta or more famously but the charter of the forest into all seventy the charter of the forest of november the sixth twelve seventeen is one of the most
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subversive radical documents of our constitution and was a marvelous document it has the distinction of being longer on the british statute books than any other piece of legislation in our history it was only reformed by ted heath in one nine hundred seventy one and the charter of the forest said this every free man has the right to subsistence in this country every free man has the right to access the commons the public spaces the public resources in order to have that subsistence everybody has a right to work and the right to a home all of those things we as commoners should own and gradually historically we've had all of those taken away. given away to elite establishment to multinational corporations ok well you have soon after a globe in government or indeed dead of scottish independence we think listed all
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the pilot schemes be a i have recommended in the report that john mcdonnell in his first budget should put a budget aside for doing a number of pilots around the country the first budget it'll be in the fed but but i believe john will do it professor guy standing thank you after the break as nato secretary general young souls about threatening sanctions against nato member turkey we ask a former ambassador to the nuclear armed military alliance if nato is the only opes to call to world peace someone said that so you could judge. the. civilization of society by visiting its basins and from britain's went on a mobile prison where julian a son is being held to the world's largest open to prison gaza we judge civilisations by their prisons in this week's broken news elizabeth coming up a bunch of going underground.
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you know world of big part of the lot and conspiracy it's time to wake up to dig deeper to hit the stories that mainstream media refuses to tell more than ever we need to be smarter we need to stop slamming the door on the back and shouting past each other it's time for critical thinking it's time to fight for the middle for the troops the time is now for watching closely watching the hawks. and twenty first century politics gets them some elements. and. at the moment there it is and to people would like to see interactive tape which is happening to the individual
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and using their intelligence to facebook from me to another are interacting with me . it's trying to. from the people's seeing the results. this is a sticker from a water bottle found in the stomach of a fish the brand is part of the coca-cola company which sells millions of bottles of soda every day the idea was that let's tell consumers there are the bad ones there the litter bugs are throwing this away industry should be blamed for all this waste the company has long promised to reuse the plastic. special projects funding me. on i knew that is the end of the fun now
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the mountains of waste only grow higher. back geysers financial survival. housing bubble. oh you mean there's a downside to artificially low mortgage rates don't get carried away that's cause report. welcome back joining me now to give you some of the week's top stories is editor in chief. when i will thanks for coming back on well in the past twenty four hours we've heard from the first two visitors to julian assange of wiki leaks under the tree dip deprivation according to the u.n. this is hear them before we speak he knows that he is innocent you knows that he has done nothing wrong. you know that he is being persecuted. for the simple fact of doing journalistic work. that should be that would be the message that you
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should relate to the general public. as christian her other children chief and we're getting with the actor pamela anderson the first visitors to belmarsh prison about twelve miles from this studio in southeast london what did you make of the fact that the world's most famous publisher and journalist says no i belmarsh i'm surprised why he's dated like that he is not a terrorist he did not commit any crime no violent crime at all why he is actually in confined cells why he cannot talk to his family to his children you know i've been covering stories a lot of stories about terrorists in prison and i never heard something like this what he is he's honorable journalist you know he changed history to be treated like this by the british government and a british prison i think this is this is really appalling and it should be condemned and support is really needed in order to put pressure on the government here to change its behavior and treat this man the way he should be treated as an
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honorable man well the editor of the guardian who is editor who used to give leaks was not belmarsh prison and the media said today which is germans when released from milan morand seem to suggest that this is a this is a bail skipping man nothing to do with what you just talked about i'm really surprised where is the freedom of expression you know this country used to be you know our consul of freedom of expression why the media here is not actually paying attention to this why did don't stand with this ban who is one of their colleagues he gave the scoops the guardian actually got the old school out of you know his his organization i'm surprised why they don't demonstrate why they don't put pressure on the government he says one of his one. us he's one of our actually groups as a journalist as a media people we should stick together we should actually talk to the public we
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should mobilize the public in order to support this man well the u.s. secretary said by comparison in london today talks with to resume call julian as hostile agent hostile act unlike his boss president trump let's go to president trump of course once said he loved we kill leaks trump tweeted once again israel faces a barrel of deadly rocket attacks by terrorist groups hamas and islamic jihad we support israel one hundred percent in its defense of its citizens to the gazan people these terrorist acts against israel will bring you nothing but more misery and the violence and work towards peace it can happen what do you make of the tweets. i was born in gaza my family still in gaza you know we can't imagine the situation there are facing israeli bombing them from from ground from sea they are starving there is no electricity there is no water there is no missing for their hospitals nothing at all but misery here that the leader of the free
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world president around saying that to stop this terrorism who is to rising that the door the gazan people but if sixteen fifteen they got you know the strongest fourth army and others rockets as the b.b.c. never tires of reminding us yes there is a retaliating there they have crews besides you know they have you know unbelievable it is a joke you know i'm really surprised that they say to the palestinian talk talk what you know they have been talking for twenty six years after they signed also agreements what they got eight hundred thousand settlers beseech the court actually you know starvation humiliation and sixty five percent of unemployment among very young people so what kind what kind of treatment is this politico ties up the story perhaps in little trumps why not go to the story trump inches toward military
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confrontation with iran because trump has always maintained that god and their rockets are. being ordered by government and iran but why iran for you know he pulled out from the nuclear deal he actually imposed sanctions against them so what he wants from iran how iran reacts to the u.s.s. abraham lincoln arriving in the persian gulf going to react problem is you know the american the court and i did in qatar they got naval base in bahrain and now. is going there and their craft carrier is going to. for what. i think there is an attempt from the american to divert attention from the theme here to actually prevent the oil from it in order to be exported and over and you know flowing without any obstruction it is their theme they want
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to cover their failure also they want to please these you know worried gulf state leaders who are actually financing the american. ventures all over the world from the persian gulf oil do arguably libyan oil and david cameron's war supported by to resume this real middle east i have the west's war in the beresford terrorism in fourteen countries including the united kingdom because the inquest begins on the london bridge terror attacks all of them coming from libya you know this is the problem three thousand of those terrorists actually went to syria and look at leave that out it used to be a stable country it used to be prosperous country gave them everything he gave them his nuclear programs he give them his chemical weapons and he paid three billion dollars as compensation for the victims of lockerbie and the top of that they bombed ten and they bombed the country half of libyan population are homeless now
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in tunisia and egypt and now libya is that said it's springboard for terrorism because we think the intelligence services m i five in the way six are no more understanding of their role in what is being accused of being. terrorism here in britain being catalyzed in part by our intelligence agencies to president obama at least he was honorable when he had a gifted participated in this war and his last days in power but he didn't say it before but i don't know whether the m.r. pfeiffer m i six will say we are sorry we miscalculated we actually. destroyed the whole country we participate in a way or another to spread terrorism all over the middle east and also all over europe so this is this is the mistake they are there they are committed without there at a clip that without their knowledge that i'm sure they wouldn't because usually usually they never they never admit their mistakes i do grant one thank you it was
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. well nato secretary general and stoltenberg use the twenty fifth anniversary of mediterranean dialogue this week to defect or threaten nato member turkey with sanctions over the purchase of russian defense systems this comes in the same week the fully armed u.k. warship h.m.s. echo arrived on the russian border to take part in ukrainian navy war games joining me now from berlin in germany to discuss this build up of perceived nato nation aggression is the best yoke in britain nick he was germany's permanent representative to nato and national security advisor to federal chancellor helmut kohl and master welcome to going underground i would you characterize nature's current relations with russia when you look back nato has been created by deterrent against for soviet union and i think well. the russians have not always
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behaved let's say in a constructive way it's true on the other hand when you look at the past even more west has done a certain number of mishandling this or mistakes in relation to a former enemy the soviet union or to russia it's true true we were not always at the top of his relation and when i look back to relation to russia today for me it's to some extent unfortunate and. to both sides to some extend on the one hand the neo cons. on the other side of it line take. side to russian home policy but the nato countries are saying we're going to have an increased presence in the black sea and they all neo-cons then who don't share your opinion of recent history i suppose pacifically under the obama administration pretty please on the other hand when you
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look at the presence or in the incidence of the plexi you have to see both sides have a part of responsibility in the increasing incidence of the russian side as view crane inside and. the problem is really that we missed very real moment to discuss to go over what should be the best possible status for ukraine for an independent ukraine accepted in the beginning by the russian side please and therefore i. think we missed that very moment but you know it's never too late in politics to begin to talk really seriously about it's a not only perceptions on both sides but about the future i don't see personally a direct threat of russia against nato or nor i see a direct threat of nato against russia not at all nato is not against russia you
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have to see the perception in several nato member states about russia and i'm a bit worried about this that people in the states still fear to some extent. russian neighbor and i think for russians should do more to read use these tensions of ease this feeling i know very is a certain feeling in russia too about inserted and yes i know i'm aware of this it's an old russian feeling it's additional. but on the other hand let's take it let's say for the constructive side what we have not been using in an efficient way and this is true is for so-called nato russian council we should have done very much more in the sense of let's say we come in we'll use well common
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vital interests on both sides look for example even look at the middle east russia's president in the middle east in syria russia is defending looking after its bases which are for russia independent from turkey. which are for the russian conception important yes i understand it it's a defensive position at the end but there think russia could be much more active towards a solution of this conflict and should act together with the americans i have in mind still. of one conviction it's not proven i know but if the russians and be americans. it would have acted in very beginning over the entranced syrian crisis and if it vet time love off and kerry would have gone to damascus and told bush to please stop your behavior be quiet
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i think we would talk and would not have got syrian conflict and the civil war we've in syria and i think there has been someone who has been telling to both to moscow and to washington please. steyn from acting there ok well i mean there are a lot of a lot of oh you're making the a lot of points you're making there obviously in syria as far as moscow another in beijing they consider the war one against nature powers in syria and you seriously think now that moscow will rather get into some or approach more with this old world rather than seek the new world with beijing and others after after a libya after afghanistan and now with the attempt at venezuela you don't believe that the big powers are now against nature it would be in there are two cmos curve or two near to beijing it's normal that moscow is looking after beijing it's noble
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. this upcoming world power china it's noble but of the other hand the nature. of russia is still europe in my eyes and think there could be still let's say a reset of relations between both sides and i think yes vera sanctions which are ongoing because of the crimea as we consider visitor patient as it's a not very legal. illusion of it you were slavia it's been more or less a special case because russia has been involved to the very last moment russia was at the end. staining from interfering with together with nato in over to stop that war on the other hand i think to each and every one of the most quotable it's clear that. the middle switch could not survive this conflict the first clear but the
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but please. old expression says. well the past is ok we have seen visits we have been unfortunate to some extent but to and then look really a geopolitics at the development in the long run fink it's in v.n. interest of you are peons and for russia to come again together ambassador thank you and that's it for the show within the past twenty four hours wiki leaks editor in chief christian or offensive and i accept their anderson visited britain's belmarsh prison and claimed julian assange just life is now in danger once of a show we'll ask the author of a very british coup labor politician chris mullin what lengths the establishment can go to suppress truth justice and jeremy call but until then people touch my social media is a victory day in russia to mark the defeat of the nazi so if you remember russia's disproportionate role in fighting for the freedom of major nations of nations around the world where you'll see george's ribbon see what's happening.
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war in memory today marks the seventy fourth anniversary of victory over fascism in europe the end of that conflict created the modern world order and its still doubts . and twenty forty you know bloody revolution to to crush the demonstrations going from being relatively peaceful political protests to be creasing the violent revolution is always spontaneous or is it just no lawyer here but i mean you know liz put video through to me in the new bill is that i do split needle the former ukrainian president recalls the events of twenty fourteen. of those who took. invested over five billion dollars to assist ukraine in these and other goals that will ensure a secure and prosperous and democratic.
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said by a move to get the twenty fifteen nuclear treaty. truck tehran partially suspends the agreement and gives the other signatories to it sixty days to shield the country from u.s. sanctions. rejects the ultimatum on this threatening use financial penalties coming up in the program the. immigration controls expelling around six hundred foreign nationals including two. visas have expired critics fear it's part of a broader crackdown on the muslim commune.

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