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into global species extinction we investigate how a future labor government would have much quality at home with british shadow chancellor john mcdonald's because all they could buy is a professor a guy standing british warship h.m.s. echo joins the buildup of the nation aggression on russia's border we'll ask a former nato ambassador if u.s. u.k. warship diplomacy could lead to a third world war plus as the london bridge attack inquests begins we investigate the terrorism effects of nature's catastrophic war in libya the prospect of a u.s. war on oil superpower iran all this of all coming up in today's going on the ground offensive twenty four hours since a two thousand page international report drawing on fifteen thousand reference materials the last of the world to capitalism threatening the extinction of a quarter of all animals and plants on earth at the same time ecology and equality with a whole box of a speech given at london's royal society votes by the economic adviser the man chosen by jeremy corbyn to be his chancellor in a labor government john mcdonnell's advisor professor guy standing joins me now guy
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thanks so much for lying in a person in london instead of in switzerland i've got to ask you then just even before we get to the report why was notable that you mention the. in a presentation to the outside of oughts about us missing. well what i'm arguing in this report and in my book on basic income is that if we recall william beveridge in one thousand nine hundred two in his report that became a defining document he said ages gave us the social security system and so on on page two of his report he had one paragraph which was really important he said this is a time for revolutions not tinkering and he said that we need to slay five giants right now the essence of my report is that we are at a crisis point in the global transformation the construction of
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a globalized system in which we have five eight martin giants and the question of extinction i've put as number seven seventh's big giant but the one i think will tip the balance in favor of moving towards a basic income why because if you are remotely concerned about the things you've just been talking about. and you see this ecological catastrophe rushing towards us you know very well that we've got to tackle fossil fuel we've got to tackle greenhouse emissions we've got to tackle air pollution if we want to confront that giant that's facing us we have to have much higher taxes on polluting things but if you use the revenue from the carbon tax to pay out the common dividend to everybody this common dividend those go to the
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common dividend the government tories nick boldero all the backbenchers problem tories it is a dangerous lot since the seem to be big skepticism about a popular supposing just forty one percent support of it and most people just saying if you give money to everyone. well you've kind of said that we can't afford it already but it would lead to inflation and people would become lazy no the first thing is that the inflation effect is rubbish because it's one handed economics basically what you're doing is you're taping money from some other purpose that's being there in order to give people a basic income so what you're doing is recycling money that's already in the system rich people keep in the bank. no rich people spend it on luxury goods and put it in tax havens and the rest of it depleting our economy and our society of needed income but if you had a commons dividend or
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a basic income for everybody what you do is this you tend to have an increase in demand for local goods and services because the lower income people spend their money locally then generate employment economic activity and has a multiplier effect on the economy so you increase the demand for those goods that increases the supply there's no there's no inflationary impact and that. level around five thousand pounds each well i think the a moment here is that the amount we can back to my my own view is that we've got to start at low level because we've got to get the funds to pay for it and that we can come back to but you can easily get the funds the report discusses various ways you can do that and then we gradually build up the level if we abolish personal income tax allowances right now and use the money that's actually being foregone that thereby to pay out every man and woman
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a basic income they would get forty eight pounds a week when they've paid their rent and they paid their food and they paid their gas or electricity have twenty pounds left for everything else at the end of the week to you if they were to get an increase of forty eight pounds without conditions that's going to make a huge difference that they look at the un special rapporteur on extreme poverty is the poverty in britain right now was a political choice and comparable to sub-saharan africa using this we'd never get another u.n. reporter in britain saying that poverty in this country could be compared to sub-saharan africa which is really more or less alston the man you're talking about is a personal friend he was really shocked when he came to this country to do that report he's written to me last week to say hopes the report goes well and this would solve it is a stroke well there is no nutrition we're no i purposely say that a basic thing even if it was one hundred pounds
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a week or what it is no panacea it's not a stand alone policy it's potentially transformative because it opens up a direction a new direction away from the conditionality of universal credit and all that terrifying aspects of universal credit moves towards saying we should confront those eight giants we should have a different type of society in which we confront inequality that's the first giant we confront economic insecurity that's the second time i don't think it's appreciated. by enough people that across this country today economic insecurity is is a pandemic we've gone a long way down the road to targeting on the poor. means test means testing now means testing means that i've got to as a bureaucrat identify someone who is poor right only that person will get
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a benefit or a service or whatever it but then if you ask well ok suppose he is poor because of his own fault or these lazy or is drugs or rest of it so we have to introduce behavior testing once you have to there are you doing this right are you doing that i am doing them intruding into people's lives computers is no computer says no and then leads that leads to sanctions as we've seen and everybody who knows anything about the system and that's why i think the politicians are being dishonest everybody you know is that the more you go down that road the more people who should be receiving benefits are excluded because you've been you were on the podium with general chancer john mcdonnell it was labor that pioneered subsidizing top up wages for big multinational companies companies where they could pay supermarket checkout less it was labor that supporters of these sorts of
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elements of the welfare state tax credits minimum wages. the minimum wage why do we need this where you see those all failed attempts at a quote i am broadly in favor of the minimum wage sounds good it does some good set standards but as a show in the report remarkably few employers have been prosecuted under either labor or tories or the coalition's very few it's easy for a clever employer to get round these systems i want them so don't you know i'm not against a minimum wage or a fair wage war all of this stuff but we shouldn't expect too much of it will the liberal democrat leader say vince cable he said this kind of idea is more in his and of ayn rand and milton friedman and the tories also saying the reason why this is dangerous is that you are taking away the choice of the person and the choice of
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the lawyer i think the absurdity of those remarks is revealed but we were able did say well wait wait wait wait. are you doing to prepare yourself to be no no quite and i think it's absurd that just because. incidentally i mean given an analogy. i don't hitler was in favor of a national health service to this mean you and i should be against a national health service because somebody favored it and rand as you've mentioned quite clearly mad in my view. what we're proposing is that common dividends as basic incomes payments should be a sharing of public wealth and you identify you could afford to be a book about it that this is something very british you trace it to some of the magna carta more famously but the charter of the forest into all seventy the charter of the forest of november the sixth twelve seventeen is one of the most
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subversive radical documents of our constitution and was a marvelous document it has the distinction of being longer on the british statute books than any other piece of legislation in our history it was only reformed by ted heath in one nine hundred seventy one and the charter of the forest said this every free man has the right to subsistence in this country every free man has the right to access the commons the public spaces the public resources in order to have that subsistence everybody has a right to work and the right to a home all of those things we as commoners should own and gradually historically we've had all of those taken away. given away to elite establishment to multinational corporations ok well how soon after corbin government or indeed
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scottish independence ridiculous to do the pilot schemes be a i have recommended in the report that john mcdonnell in his first budget should put a budget aside for doing a number of pilots around the country the first budget it will be in the first but i believe john will do it professor thank you after the break as nature secretary general young soldiers threatening sanctions against nato member turkey we ask a former ambassador to the nuclear military alliance if nato is the only obstacle to world peace someone said that you could judge. the. civilization of society by visiting its basins and from britain's went on a mobile prison where julia sons is being held to the world's largest open prison we judge civilizations by their prisons in this week's broken in the civil coming up a bunch of going underground. maximizers
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financial survival guide. housing bubble. oh you mean there's a downside to artificially low mortgage rates don't get carried away that's cause report. in twenty first century politics also gets them some elements. and at the moment it is entertaining people would like to interact which is happening to individuals are using their face books with me too and now they're interacting with me it's a sign. from god knows the. seeing the results.
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welcome back joining me now to give you some of the week's top stories is editor in chief. when i will thanks for coming back on well in the past twenty four hours as we've heard from the first two visitors to julian assange and wiki leaks under the tree dip deprivation according to the u.n. this is hear them before we speak he knows that he is innocent you knows that he has done nothing wrong. he knows that he's being persecuted for the simple fact of doing journalistic work that should be that should be the message that you should relate to the general public. as chris and her other children chief of wiki leaks with the actor pamela anderson the first two visitors to belmarsh prison about twelve miles from this studio in south east london what did you make of the fact that the world's most famous publisher and journalist says no i belmarsh i was surprised why he's treated like that he is not
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a terrorist he did not commit any crime no violent crime at all why he is actually in confined cells why he cannot talk to his family to his children you know i've been covering stories a lot of stories about terrorists in prison and i never heard something like this what he is he's honorable journalist you know he he changed history to to be treated like this by the british government and a british prison i think this is this is really appalling and it should be condemned and public support is really needed in order to put pressure on the government here to change its behavior and treat this man the way he should be treated as an honorable man well the editor of the guardian who is editor used beginning belmarsh prison and the media said today germans when released from morand seem to suggest that this is a this is a bail skipping man nothing to do with what you just talked about i'm really surprised where is the freedom of expression you know this country used to be you
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know our consul of freedom of expression why the media here is not actually paying attention to this why they don't stand with this ban who is one of their colleagues he gave them scoops the guardian actually got the old school out of you know his his organization i'm surprised why they don't demonstrate why they don't put pressure on the government he says what he's one of us he's one of our actually groups as a journalist as a media people we should stick together we should actually talk to the public we should mobilize. as the public in order to support this man well the u.s. secretary said by comparison in london today talks with third to resume call julian as hostile agent hostile act unlike his boss president trump let's go to president trump of course once he loved weekly leaks trump tweeted once again israel faces
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a barrel of deadly rocket attacks by terrorist groups hamas and islamic jihad we support israel one hundred percent in its defense of its citizens to the gazan people these terrorist acts against israel will bring you nothing but more misery and the violence and work towards peace it can happen what do you make of the tweets. i was born in gaza my family still in gaza you know we can't imagine the situation there are facing israeli bombing them from from ground from sea they are starving there is no electricity there is no water there is no missing for their hospitals nothing at all but misery here that the leader of the free world president around saying that to stop this terrorism who is to rising that the door the gazan people what if sixteen fifteen they got you know the strongest fourth army and others rockets as the b.b.c. never tires of reminding us yes it is a retaliating they have crews besides you know they have you know unbelievable it
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is a joke you know i'm really surprised that they say to the president talk talk what you know they have been talking for twenty six years after they signed also agreements what they got eight hundred thousand settlers beseech the court actually you know starvation humiliation and sixty five percent of unemployment among their young people so what kind what kind of treatment is this politico ties up the story perhaps in little trumps why not go to that story trump inches toward military confrontation with iran because trump has always maintained that gaza and their rockets are somehow being ordered by government but why iran for you know he pulled out from their nuclear deal he actually imposed sanctions against them so what he wants from iran how iran reacts to the u.s.s.
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abraham lincoln arriving in the persian gulf going to react problem is you know the american the cold air base i did in qatar the naval base in bahrain and now. is going there and their craft carrier is going to. for what. i think there is an attempt from the american to divert attention from the fever yet to actually prevent the oil from it in order to be exported and over and you know flowing without any obstruction it is their theme they want to cover their failure and also they want to please these you know worried gulf state leaders who are actually financing the american. ventures all over the world from the persian gulf oil do arguably libyan oil and david cameron's war supported by to resume this were middle east i have the west war going to be spurred
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terrorism in fourteen countries including the united kingdom because the inquest begins on the london bridge terror attacks all of them coming from libya you know this is the problem three thousand of those terrorists actually went to see it here and look at levy about it used to be a stable country it used to be a prosperous country gave them everything he gave them his nuclear programs he gave them his chemical weapons and he paid three billion dollars as compensation for the victims of lockerbie and the top of that they bumped him and they bombed the country half of libyan population are homeless now in tunisia and egypt and now libya is a separate springboard for terrorism because we think of the intelligence services m i five in the way six and more understanding of their role in the what is being accused of being. terrorism here in britain being catalyzed in part by our intelligence agencies devoted to president obama at least he was honorable when
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he had a gifted participated in this war and his last days in power but he didn't say it before but i don't know whether the m.r. pfeiffer m i six will say we are sorry we miscalculated we actually. destroyed the whole country we participate in a way or another to spread terrorism all over the middle east and also all over europe so this is this is the mistake there are committed with out there and it that without their knowledge that i'm sure they wouldn't because usually usually they never they know admit their mistakes i do grant one thank you it was. well nato secretary general and stoltenberg use the twenty fifth anniversary of mediterranean dialogue this week to defect or threaten nato member turkey with sanctions over the purchase of russian defense systems this comes in the same week the fully armed u.k. warship h.m.s.
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echo arrived on the russian border to take part in ukrainian navy war games joining me now from berlin in germany to discuss this build up of perceived nato nation aggression is the best yoke embitter nick he was germany's permanent representative to nato and national security advisor to federal chancellor helmut kohl ambassador welcome to going underground how would you characterize nature's current relations with russia when you look back nato has been created by deterrent against for soviet union. and i think well. russians have not always behaved let's say in a constructive way it's true on the other hand when you look at the past even the west has done a certain number of mishandling this or mistakes in their relation to a former enemy the soviet union or to russia it's true true we were not always let's say at the top of his relation and when i look back to relation
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to russia today for me it's to some extent unfortunate and. to both sides to some extent on the one hand to the neo cons of the other side of it line take on our side to russian home policy but the nato countries are saying we're going to have an increased presence in the black sea and they all neocons then who don't share your opinion of recent history i suppose specifically under the obama administration pretty please on the other hand when you look at the presence or in the incidence and the plexi you have to see both sides have a part of responsibility in the increasing incidence of the russian side as view crane inside and. the problem is really that we missed very real moment to discuss to go over what should be the best
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possible status for ukraine for an independent ukraine accepted in the beginning by the russian side please and therefore i. think we missed that very moment but you know it's never too late in politics to begin to talk really seriously about it's a not only perceptions on both sides but about the future i don't see personally a direct threat of russia. against nato or nor i see a direct threat of nato against russia not at all nato is not against russia you have to see the perception in several nato member states about russia and i'm a bit worried about this that people in the state still fear to some extent. russian neighbor and i think for russians should do more to read use these tensions
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of these. feeling i know where is a certain feeling in russia too about inserted and yes i know i'm aware of this it's an old russian feeling it's additional but on the other hand let's take it let's say for constructive side what we have not been using in an efficient way and this is true is for so-called nato russian council we should have done very much more in the sense of let's say we come in we'll use well common vital interests on both sides look for example even look at the middle east russia present in the middle east in syria russia is defending looking after its bases which are for russia independent from turkey. which are for the russian conception important yes i understand it it's a defensive position at the end but there think russia could be much more active
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towards a solution of this conflict and should act together with the americans i have in mind still. of one conviction it's not proven i know but if the russians and be americans. it would have acted in very beginning over the entranced syrian crisis and if advent time lovers off and kerry would have gone to damascus and told bush to please stop your behavior be quiet i think we would hold and would not have got to see a real conflict and the civil war we've in syria and i think invest been someone who has been telling to both to moscow and to washington please steyn from acting there ok well i mean there are a lot of have not owing to your making the a lot of points you're making there obviously in syria as far as the moscow another
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in beijing and they consider the war one against nature powers in syria and you seriously think now that moscow will do rather get into some or approach more with this old world rather than seek the new world with beijing and others after after a libya after afghanistan and now when i attempted venezuela you don't believe that the moment powers are now against nature it would be an error to cmos currall to near to beijing it's normal that moscow is looking after beijing it's noble. this upcoming world power china it's noble but of the other hand the nature. of russia is still europe in my eyes and think there could be still let's say a reset of relations between both sides and i think yes vera sanctions which are
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ongoing because over crimea as we consider visit the patient as it's a not very legal. illegitimate you were slavia it's been more or less a special case because russia has been involved to the very last moment russia was at the end up. steyning from interfering with together with nato in order to stop that war on the other hand i think to each and every one of the most quotable it's clear that. the middle switch could not survive this conflict that was clear but the but please. read the expression says. well the past is ok we have seen this we have been unfortunate to some extent but to and then look really a geopolitics at the development in the long run fink it's in v.n. interest of you are peons and for russia to come again together ambassador thank
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you and that's it for the show within the past twenty four hours wiki leaks editor in chief christian or offensive and i accept i'm a lawyer and just visited britain's belmarsh prison and claimed julian assange just life is now in danger once at this show we'll ask the author of a very british coup labor politician chris mullin what lengths the establishment can go to suppress truth justice and jeremy cole but until then people judge by social media is a victory day in russia to mark the defeat of a nazi so if you remember russia's disproportionate role in fighting for the freedom of major nations of nations around the world where you'll save george's ribbon see what's happening. for in memory today marks the seventy fourth anniversary of victory over fascism in europe the end of that conflict created the modern world order and it still doesn't
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