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devices. any documents part of the file should be commit smipted to clerk. clerk. >> thank you and i'd like to thank sfgovtv and our clerk derek evans. with that if we could call item three first. >> item testimony 3 is a hearing to point wum member to the shelter monitoring committee. there is one seat and one applicant. >> is katrina hall here? would you like to come up and make a quick presentation? >> i'm katrina hall.
my qualifications is i'm a formerly homeless parent with a homeless child under 18. i had been in a homeless shelter two years ago. if elected to the committee, there is a lot of things that i would like to accomplish that i've seen fall in the shelter seven and a half months. these things were like related to the program areas, such as the conditiomons, simes the areas didn't really promote, you know, a safe and decent environment. for program activities to be conducted. the children sometimes played, you know, on things that -- broken furniture, staff would watch or if the children were going to fall or get injured or
something, no one said anything. that's the main focus. another area that i would like to see improve would be reporting deficiencies like if there was an incident -- they didn't report it if a child was injured. the staff wouldn't file a report. it would look like maybe the parents did something. they wouldn't say your child got injured on a chair or got a scratch. there was no kind of reports. also, i would also like to see improvements in the performance indicators such as compliance for reservation levels. vacancy rates. i've been shelter rooms vacant and talked to people who say they were on a list for so long and i ask, why isn't anyone in there? no one says anything. the other areas would be, i
would like to see the abate of program risk. that would be, for example, you know, program risk would be repairs, stopped-up toilets. tubs that are -- that won't drain appropriately. you can't see it in the bathtub because the tubs are rusty or stopped up to the point where it's no use to even try to get in there. then if you can file a complaint that you know, they need to, you know unstop the tub, nothing gets down. it's like seven months in the shelter going thraw these kinds of things. there was nothing,, that we could do as shelter residents but let the staff know. so these are some things that i would like to look out for. also that they have toilet paper and food, you know, the
environment is clean. basic things like that. and also, another thing that was important to me was the identification of management problems. i've seen children play where staff would -- it was inappropriately kind of roughhousing. nothing wasn't said or doing and they're all standing there watching like it's a sport. so i felt that was a problem. >> all right, supervisor cohen. >> good morning, everyone. good morning miss hall. i have a couple of questions. how are you? >> good. >> thank you for your interest in serving. where are you living now? >> i'm in the aroundette watson apartments on eddie street. >> okay.
so p. >what shelter were you at? >> connecting point. i was a stiened to compass then hamilton. because my child had asthma and i had asthma. they couldn't do a reasonable accommodation with the carpeting in hamilton so sent us to ccr. >> where is that located? >> crr is on market. market street. >> what does ccr stand for? >> civic center residents. we had to be to hamilton for mandatory mitings three times a week. we spent a lot of time there in the program area and intd acting with staff and other shelter residents. >> you also talked about the vacancy rate. and in shelters.
as a user, tell me why you believe that there was a vacancy. >> because there were rooms neck to me, there were -- no one was in them to so i wonder. i would talk to people who said they were on the list. >> so this was your observation. >> yes. it was my observation and i would ask and they said we have to wait and see what happens. >> oftentimes we have to leave shelter beds reserved for to the teen or different reservations to fill them. that's why beds are sometimes left vacant. you also mentioned in your remarks management problems. are you talking about the management problems at hamilton or ccr? where in the process is -- >> it was all three locations. i would say that hamilton, it
was, you know, children playing inappropriately. and management standing there and watching. >> don't you think that the children are the responsibility of the parents and not management? >> yes, well we told them, to stop, stop. and they're like, you can't talk to your children that way or they'll call child protective services. and they want to take full control when they're running their program. they're in control of everything. sometimes -- a lot of times the furniture wasn't really in good repair and some kids fell or got hurt off a chair that wasn't -- that wasn't stable. >> have you ever to a shelter monitoring committee meeting? >> yes i have. i was before i put the application in last year. >> what did you observe? >> i just observed, you know, they were talking about the
seitz see thes and how they do their observations. i guess if they got a good grade or a ad about grade. if they had violations. i assume because the meeting. >> i would assume they had a are quorum. do you anywhere ems that they had attendance? >> no. >> no. >> thank you for your time. i'm glad you're interested. maybe you can talk to me about your understanding of the what exactly your role would be on the shelter monitoring committee. >> um, my role would be to i guess go to the shelter and observe for standards to5t(p)q sure things are appropriately like there is toilet paper and there is, you know, just
everything that is working -- meeting their mission, basically. >> had how did you hear about this opportunity? >> i received an e-mail. the e-mail had came from, i think it was someone at city hall. i'm not sure. i received an e-mail, then i applied for. and i was invited for a meeting. >> thank you miss hall for your interest. even though i don't have shelters in our district. we have can done some work with the shelter monitoring committee. i know one of the things they pointed occupants with the difficulty in filling this particular se seethes because a lot of times someone who is formerly homeless may not be living with their child under the age of 18 so they're looking into a change to see if there was someone who previously lived with a child under 18. having that experience is important but we want to make sure we get enough people to be part of this committee. so i'm glad you were able to if
it that role. and also had been working with the shelter monitoring committee on policies around domestic violence, especially if you are someone who is a victim, we wanted to make sure that you don't get kicked out of the shelter system because you're involved in a dd situation. that is something i hope to continue working on with the shelter monitoring committee. we're able to reduce down the number of days that someone would not be able to be in a shelter from 30 to 15, but i feel like 15 is not okay. again, if you are a victim of it. you need to be in shelter. so that is something i will ton working on. i don't know if supervisor mar has joined us now. thank you miss hall. we'll on up item three to public comment. oitch a comment car from someone named lee. if you would like to come up or anybody else who would like to come up. >> i was here for the -- excuse
me, i'm lee. i was from pier 80. another failure. same thing she mentioned. no one is in charge. i went to the hot team yesterday to get my stuff. they said they have no idea where it was. that pier. pier 80 was a failure. it's a failure because no one knew, hot team was scared to go there. they were. because they brought me there. they're wandering around seeing who was in charge. nobody was in charge in pier 80. you visited there. you saw how bad it was. it was to bad, they had put dogs with people, miking i miking it up and they had no idea how though do that because they keep piling people in shelters without any supervision at all.
it's -- i was there. very recently and what i saw, for example there was one rottweiler with a disabled man and it was their pride and joy because it kept the three men safe. because one man was disabled who had to make sure the rottweiler didn't eat all the other dogs cad because there were chihuahuas running around. they have no idea how to handle dogs. that was a complete failure. i'm so glad you need to make sure children are safe. she would be perfect for that, but there are two other people that kneeled sheltering and pier 80 did not work. if you want to ask a question about any of it, i just lived there. yesterday i tried to get my stuff back and they couldn't find it. >> thank you. any other members of the public who wishz.+ to comment on item
three, please come on up. >> i'm [inaudible] i did not come here it o comment on that. but a statement was made and i understand, so when you have parents who have children under the age of 18, when they're in a shelter institution, or whatever it is. parents have to walk on eggshells because of the rights the parents no longer have. so when we were younger, your parent could spank your behind because you got out of line and your neighbor could get on you as well. parents do doesn't have the luxury now. a lot of shelter -- i've stayed in a shelter on my own. the hazards were very notorious. when you have a parent that is with a child in a shelter, they are walking on eggshells because of the pact they don't want cps not to take their child.
the parents have to lessen on the activities as far as disciplining. that's why i understand what she says about the staff stepping in. the staff has to take the role of being a parent because they're licensed to do that. that way it takes the fear away from the parent of getting in trouble of disciplining a child whether it's putting them on time out, spanking their butt or raising their voice and talking to them more harshly. that's what we do in our own house. i want to make the statement of saying even though it is the parents' responsibility in those situations, it falls a little more on the staff because of the rules and regulations that the government has put -- taken away from parents. thank you. >> thank you very much. any other members of the public who wish to comment on item three? seeing none public comments
closed. supervisor mar. >> i want to thank miss hall for her application. the shelters and families is critical. as she struggled to get her degrees in criminal justice, i think she would be a great addition to shelter monitoring committee. i did visit pier 80. and i found it well staffed. with clear areas where dogs were and people and their belongings. i found it clean and where the showers and other places were a good security system set up. there was an area in the outside of pier 80 where people could hang out so it didn't feel like you were locked into a big hangar where america's cups ships used to be kidd thought it was well-set up. i know there are areas for improvement. but that was my perspective, and
imin sam dodge and his staff. they're doing their best but we need strong people on the monitoring committee like miss hall and i'll support her. >> i'm also going to vote for miss hall. i think it's good when you have someone who has risen above difficult circumstances to be a champion to her children and family and a person who is willing to come back and serve. that's why i'm going to support miss patrice hall. i too want to talk about pier 8 o. it is a 180 p bed shelter. owners of dogs are able to bring their animals with them to the shelter. that is critical. it's one after the tracting features. in other shelters across the city, animals are not allowed and permitted.
as you see the homeless population on the streets of san francisco. many people have dogs. it's their only form of companionship. it could be cruel to take their dog away when people are very, very close to their animals. the shelter, i too have po gone through a few tours of pier 80 as it rests inside district 10. i've taken a particular interest inside 80. they have coaches. it's clean and safe. they're watching d.v.d.s and playing dominoes. i don't want to say it's club med. they're not living the life of riley. however, we have gone above and beyond the normal accoutrements that you'd find in shelters because we recognize that people
need a hand-up. and we need to be supporting them. there is security 24/7 and staff that is trained and social workers. there are spaces where people can bring their belongings and they'll be locked and retrieveable. i'm not sure why he wasn't able is to get his belongings. i'm happy to talk to you after committee, mr. lee, about your belongings but i want to set the record straight and getting good information about there about what is going on and how this city is addressing homelessness. thank you. >> thank you very much. concur with my colleagues and i'd be happy to support -- did supervisor mar make the motion is this and seconded by supervisor cohen. we'll take that without objection. congratulations miss hall. [applause] so now supervisor mar has joined
us, mr. clerk if you could call item one. >> clerk: a motion confirming the mayor's nomination in appointing suzy loftus for a four-year term an ending april 30th 2020. i'll like to call miss loftus up. >> good morning, mayor tang. supervisor cohen and mar. thank you for the opportunity to res you today. i'm seeking reappointment to this post for police commission for one reason. i believe we have an opportunity to make sustained and important change for this police department. it's not only going to make a dmirches san francisco but a model of collaboration for a nation that is struggling with addressing the issues between police and community. i'm here with many community members with me so tea we can make change together. if we collaborate, seek the
truth, and always remember the power of respect. we can build a community of trust between the police and members of the community. that i don't believe has ever existed. there is indeed much to do. we must identify and irradicate both explicit and implicit bias and rid this department of anyone who holds racist, hop homophobic or sexist views. we must hire, train and promote officers who are viewed by the community as neutral in their policing. me must continue our work with the united states department of justice to fundamentally reengineer use of force to keep everyone save -- safe and reduce leeptal shootings. we must improve our data on police stop ts and searches and support supervisor cohen efforts to make sure we investigate
officer-involved shootings. i'm happy to talk in more detail on policies from vision zero to improving language access. what i want to say most is any change we've successfully made has one theme in common. engagement and relationships. as much as we would like, no one will be able to impose or force a better and deeper relationship of trust between people when t -- people and the police. it will required sustained effort. dedication, it will take all of us. it will take men look mike hail from the bayview who is currently in high school and wrote to you and said i am hopeful or bridging relationships between both police and community for the simple reason that when we as youth worked so diligently with law enforcement over the summer,
some actually starpted to explore careers in it. it will take people like vinnie who after experiencing the unimaginable tragedy of losing his sister jasmine who while in crisis was killed by a los angeles sheriff's deputy in an incident that unfolded in minutes. people like vinnie who after suffering this unimaginable tragedy has chosen to devote his, heart and sphirt so sa spirit to san francisco's crisis center program. demanding with love that the department move to deescalation. not as a boutique offering but every day practice. it will take people like nicole and janice from walk sf and p bicycle coalition when too many people are dying from traffic collisions sit together with me, members of command staff and crunch the numbers and partner together to save lives.
there is indeed much work to do. and i'm asking for your support to continue the work ahead to build a police department we can all be proud of. i'm happy to take your questions. >> thank you for your presentation and service. i know that there are a lot of questions, i'm sure, from committee members. maybe you can just spend more time talking detail about what the police commission has been doing around use of force and certain policy changes and your thoughts around that. >> thank you madam chair, of course. the december second 2015 was the night that mario was shot in bayview. it was also the night the police commission voted on our body-worn camera policies. we concluded a ix-month effort to work with everyone from public defenders to aclu to develop a policy. we voted on that in full recognition that the department
needs more transparency and there were issues of trust we felt body cameras would address. that night an incident happened that rocked, i would say the trust that in particular members ever the african-american community have in the police department. while there are current investigations going on into that incident, we won't go into detail, i said publicly that watching that incident unfold, demanded a series of questions. someone who -- a member of the community in bayview said if that was in policy, we need to change the policy. search days later the police commission began a conversation around use of force. there were probably 400 people in city hall demanding change and what we promised was we would survey the best practices, what people are doing around the country, the president's task force, the united states department of justice and ask is
there a better way in particular to train and have policies and procedures that reduce instances where an officer discharges a firearm and someone is ultimately killed. the incident that we are focused on and the policies that we're endeavoring to pass have to do with what officers do when someone is armed with a knife. we travel to washington, i know supervisor cohen sent a staff gnome a conversation with the police executive research forum on how do you look at this differently? the reality is departments across the country for many years have been focused on training that tells officers if there is an active shooter, a danger, you pull out your gun and run to the danger. there is a growing recognition that in particular i people in cries. rushing into the danger actually will cause the situation to become more lethal. the training is this, in san
diego there was a study that showed most officer-involved shootings unfold of two minutes of officers arriving on the scene. what we're endeavoring to create the time and distance to get to 5 minutes, 10 minutes forker more time for a hostage negotiator so that's the only proven way we've seen a reduction in officer-involved shootings. it's a time. ceas a distance and allowing the scene to unfold. that's the direction an vision of the policy before the commission. we are waiting d.o.j.'s relingses. i understand from u.s.doj that we'll get a notice on friday on the final recommendations. after that, madam chair, we'll take this policy to two community meeting andal it will come back to the commission. we've worn body wear and we
started with a diverse group of stakeholders on both policies for the use of force policy. the coalition on homelessness, bar association, aclu, public defenders office, police officers association and all of the peg groups including the officers for justice and asian p.o.a. any solution that comes out has to have buy-in from everyone. so we're canvassing with the support of officer commission mazzucco is here and we want to get the best policy to make a difference. that's our commitment. >> supervisor mar. >> i wanted to thank commissioner loftus, i've never seen this many letters of support for the work you've done. commissioner mazzucco, i know that sometimes we don't realize how much hard work is going into dealing with departmental general order on use of force it other issues that came up.
on the nights of horrible killings like mario woodsyou say that the work you get doing gets wiped away by the rage. it's not just african-americans. it's latinos, women, lgbt and homeless that have a lot of attention on how the use of force order is drafted. i want to ask you, p is there specific language on directing officers to use reasonable force versus the community town halls where people say it should be directing officers to use minimal force and deescalating requiring deescalation of conflict versus may deescalate. i want to know how you feel about those issues and groups that have been organizing on these issue. >> i appreciate that question. that's the question to illustrate how this pros it's about different. it wasn't a secret wh policy.
the reason folks know that, at the table, an initial draft said it should be minimum usual force. that got changed to reasonable force and organizings at the table say we don't like that. >> when did that change occur? >> through the process. all the versions are on our web side. benefit ever transparency, everyone see the idea of a deliberative group. if good ideas are taken, the department made those changes. but i don't agree. i think the policy of the department since 1995 has been you issues minimum million force as niece. that's what if should be. we're in the process of deciding finally what the language is. but i would agree and i think th the organizers came and made their case and it was compelling. they also made the case that the current language says you should deescalate when possible. there was a big debate among the police officers groups and
community groups. community groups wand to say "shall" you shall deescalate when feasible and the police officers want "should" there is a conversation in light of instances unfolding, a true change in vision for the department. i'm of the viewpoint we'll require clear language that it's the expectation you shall deescalate unless it's not safe for you to do so. this process has been designed to bring about, frankly. dissengs in the way this unfolds. >> i have one other question. i know it's not just mario woods but perez and other cases, sometimes community mental health services leave many
mentally ill on the streets. i think the crisis training has been good. how do we get from theories to implementing it in practice. it sounds like there is a disconnect. i wonder how they can be better implemented in traffic on streets in. >> that's the million dollar question. it came up last night. because similar issues were raised when there was a motion there was a crisis development on the scene in the most recent shooting. crisis intervention training is training. i can say what when we went to washington in january and had a conversation with over 25 other police agencies, the question is how do you operationallize deescalation? what are the tactics and procedures? it comes down to who takes over the scene. how do they do that? there are issues which are outside the purview for us. we're not trained peace officers. that's why the message i have it must be a collaboration between the police and community to
identify a way to make these scenes safe for everyone. i have explained it's a leadership moment he'll hear from peace officers here and members of the community given that there is an expertise in doing this job every day and we have to craft a new protocol. the question was raise the last flight, we can't go to anyone else to solve this problem for us. we in san francisco are on the cutting edge of answering the question, okay, so when deescalation fails, what is the next thing that synapse and what are the tools and training and equipment that an officer needs to keep themselves safe and everyone at the scene safe. those are questions and conversations that have yet to happen. that's the part where it gives me hope that we have in san francisco to say with our police leaders, with our community members, here is the challenge, how are you currently training
in these situations which is run to the person with the knife. we're now saying that actually can creator in danger. let as stop doing that. nothing turns on a dime. when you talk about safety and lives on the line, we're all committed to fete getting this right. we care about the sang at this timsangt at this time of sanctity of life. we want to look back and say we changed course. are we sievely changing course so in 10 years when we look back, i the number of instances is smaller than today. >> thank you. supervisor cohen. >> okay. question. i'm going to start -- i have a lot of questions. so everyone should make themselves comfortable. those of who know or don't know know that i am committed to
making this city safe for everyone. i think that you and i share that same level of commitment as being public servants. i want to start and this is more so for the edification of the sphoax here that are here in the committee room and those watching at home, can you tell me from your understanding what is the role of the police commission? >> that's a great question. so essentially the role of the commission by charter has two main functions it is to do discipline on serious cases which means any anything more than a 10-day suspension. the power to terminate is vested in the police commission. >> say that slower. you said that too fast. >> discipline. >> thank you. i mean i got it, but i want everyone else to get it. >> it's discipline and policy. those are the two pieces.
we aren't making operation the decisions around where officers are deployed on any given day, but we set the policy and conduct discipline. the discipline that we do is anything that is greater than 10 days sus spngs. again, the chief does not have the authority to fire an officer. that authority is vested within the commission. the other thing that i would say is glin is an important par -- discipline is an important part of what we do. we are the hearing officer in the discipline. when an officer is charged with disconduct, they have a lawyer. the police department has a lawyer and we as the commissioner sit in a quasi-judicial role and hear the evidence. we decide what evidence comes in and out. we as a commission have to sit and decide what we think happened. >> this is done in closed session. >> and we have to decide what the punishment is. i have experienced challenges in the last few months in the fact
that part of the reason why you're not hearing fiery speeches from police commissioners around allegations of misconduct, we have a quasi judicial role. >> when you say quasi judicial, you have to remain impartial. neutral. >> that's right. not just for appearance sake but due tros es i process is something we fundamentally belief in as a people. when things are so outrageous and hit you on an emotional level that you remind yourself your job is to impartially hear the facts. follow them where they go and do what needs to be done. that's my commitment when it comes to discipline. >> okay. what about your philosophies on policy? >> well, how much time do we have?
>> we have all day. >> all right! so look. the president's report on 21st century policing said something that is important. in the first page it says culture eats policy for lunch. >> i read it. >> i know you have. you have it probably tabbed as i do. so the notion is this. there are times when you can policy your way out of the a situation and times you have to address the role policy plays in addressing culture. my philosophy is the department is governed by rules, the departmental general orders are incredibly powerful. should versus shall in a paramilitary organization is a directive. we have to make sure they're thoughtful and with input. my view on policy, the commission needs to do two things. one is react to the moment of now. policing is very reactive. things happen and you must react. the commission has to do that,
the other thing is to keep a sustained eye on the big picture and not get focused on something they expense of another issue. for example, i with talk about vision zero. when i was 9 years old in san francisco, this is going to make my mom mad, but when i was 9, i was hit by a car on 24th and california. i was fine, thank goodness. the guy driving the truck felt so bad and brought me ice cream. offer my adult life, i realized i don't think people got tickets in san francisco as much as other places. when you don't get traffic tickets, there are a lot of us who follow rules because they're afraid ofment consequences. what we saw in december of 2013 was 13 people died in traffic collisions and most are completely preventable. the folks from swritio swrition zero started working
collaborativively with us to say this has to be a sustained effort where officers give citations for the things most likely to cause a collision. that is something we can do it save lives. i've kept -- this commission september a focus on that threw so many challenges that are equally as important to everyone in this city. that's how we -- we just got a reported that we're nearing the 50% goal of officers giving citations on focus on the five. we're still seeing too many deaths on the streets but we have a partnership making the streets more safe. when you ask me my philosophy on policy, you have to pay attention to what is happening now and stay focused on the bigger picture. this is why use of force and relationship with the community is not something we should hope goes away. this is not something where we check a box and be done but any relationship that matters ask a
sustained investment. the can question should be what are we all doing to build a relationship between the police and community? because when that suffers, none of us are as safe as we should be. >> you talk about building relationships. first thing that comes to my mind is communication. communication is critical and key to any type of a relationship whether it's a relationship with your husband or lover or with your children or even with your constituents. i want to talk about that relationship. i want to talk about specifically when did comes to communication. there have been several -- two recent cases that have been brought to light about communications between officers that have been either racist, sexist, or homophobic. what do you think the communication policy should be for officers that are engaging in this, not only the officer that sent the message, but the officer that has received the
message. should there be some kind of a policy that would require officers to report this type of communication? >> there is a policy. but again, i know where you're going. there policy, but does it happen. >> you're talking about culture. >> i greet compleetl completely agree. the chief of police is clear anyone who holds racist sexist homophobic view that should not be, they should be disciplined and terminated from the police department if they hold those views. it's inconsistent with being a police officer. too much power is vested in you. if you hold those views, you fall below the standard what have is expected. supervisor mar made the point. i don't expect everyone to watch the police commission on
wednesdays. >> why? >> i think there is -- >> it's entertaining. >> modern family competes with us. what i do think is that we have to do a better job and some of the pr proposals i put forward is we need a policy a analyst. we started a twitter account. sergeant killshaw is great. communication is essential. we're investing in that. the point i want to make is there is a pledge called "not on may watch" that every officer took. when i read the pledge it gave me chills. it says we have no tolerance for hatred. this is not who we are. when we see it, we'll do something about it. the question i got asked in the interview is there is skepticism in the community that if these terrible things are said,
nothing going to happen about it. and so, the process that we have in san francisco is both within the police department and the office of citizen complaints. those cases will come to us and it's clear if it's proven again that those views were held, from my perspective, those folks are no longer police officers. >> so one of the things that i really have wanted to iterate with you privately and also with mr. mazzucco but i want to bring to the public dialogue. this conversation is about not requiring the police commissioner to come and dwnd themselves, but it present the work that they've done. they're asking to be reappointed to serve in the last -- for another four years. four year commitment. this body as a rules committee, our responsibility is you come before us and tell us the work that you've done. there are people that have come before us that have not done
enough work to justify being reappointed. that's what this conversation is about. i want you to have an opportunity to tell me all the good things that you have been able to do in the last four years that either fall in communication, i particularly am interested in systematic changes that rest within policy. you mentioned policy recommendations and things that you made to the mayor and mayor's office. talk to us about the suggestions that you have made in the last four years that have been implemented then take the next step and tell us about what you'd like to see be implemented in the future. in the next four yiewrs should you be granted another four-year term. >> i bresh the opportunity to do that. if september of this career, i sent you a letter that laid out a recognition of where the department was jee vis-a-vis in the wake of growing distrust and i highlighted some of our
initiatives. i'm going to go through those and talk about the future. so in terms of domestic violence, we approved new protocols. specifically about improving the response in situations where the victim has limited or no english pro efficiency. what we were finding in those instances where a victim did not have sufficient language access to translation, at biewzer who had better english skills was the person not arrested. we found victims embroiled in the criminal justice system and stowbt immigration proceedings. we tackled that issue and chaiged the policy and changed the protocol for officers who have ever had problem problems with domestic violence. so we adopted a policy that recognizes how traumatic the arrest and incarceration of a parent can be in the life of a
child in it charts and new protocol. supervisor cohen. you've been a supporter on this. a childhood adverse experience is a predictor. education can be a predictor. one experience is the incarceration of i parent. san francisco has a model policy that's been promoted that actually addresses pow officers are supposed to interact with a child. what is happening in the life of a child's mind and what can they do to make that situation as supportive as possible. what was beautiful about the process, it was children had actually seen their parents arrested and worked with the occ and department to build that policy. the policy got local recognition from the youth commission. and the urban institute had a webinar to get other departments to adopt a similar policy. we redrew the police district
lines. we didn't just -- the controller gave us maps we had meetings and met with individuals. what was stunning is it's a policy to your point, supervisor cohen. policpolicing is a living breathing thing. there are people here that my relationship grew with them when they said i don't want to be if p that police station. i have this relationship with this officer. public safety is not something they think about as an afterthought, it's the beginning given where they live and their neighborhood is, it's not an option but a fundamental. we did good work there. vision zero another policy initiative. we laid out specific metrics to be reported regarding citations issues and operations. this is one of the policy initiatives we've done. one of powers of the commission is set a goal and have a
reporter structure where it comes back. >> back up a second. when you talk about setting a goal, reporting back element many departments fall short in this. is there a way that -- is it a possibility that we can begin to share this information? so as a report is made to the police commission, perhaps we can call a hearing and bring them to the board of supervises as well as the human rights commission to be a venue to connect and share reporting. i think transparency is critical when we talk about communication. and also repairing the trust factor. >> supervisor cohen, i believe that's a great idea. the more forums where we have of we have thees conversations particularly in use of divorce is a great idea. vision zero. we set it as a goal to get to
this. there is pushback because ap captains know best. you can force or fe persuade. this was about persuasion and what has been interesting is the captains that started making the goals would get recognition with the commission. from their community and advocates. so it wasn't just -- it's like the carrot and the stick. it wasn't just a constant beating but it was a recognition when you do something that we've asked, you're lifted up and we saw a i huge increase in the last quarter and something that is important to me and i think it comes from sometimes i'm accused of treating police officers like my children. but i do think a lot of parenting is dealing with behaviors you like or don't like. one of the ways that you have to make change is to lift up what works. there is a significant amount of that. but i agree with you, viewp visor, asupervisor we should
collaborate to elevate the conversation so folks know what we're doing. the final thing that i would say in terms of policy is the crisis intervention teementd. we've supported the mental health working group and co-hosted the first award program. that didn't get any coverage, but it was the first ever awards ceremony that honored nine officers that successfully deescalated situations and did not use any force. it stndz to reason that you obviously reward officers for all types of things. but never rewarded them for successfully taking it down. what i will tell you is privately, people say, man, i see officers on the street deescalating. they're doing a tremendous job. in terms of changing the culture, we want to lift up those officers that are successfully deescalate difficult situations and honor them. that work is underway. but that all was underway.
we can't sweep automatic of the direction directions directions because we're concerned about the future and we have o double down on what is working and collaborate more and engage more as we move ahead. >> we have to tighten this up. supervisor mar probably has pay battery of questions. i want to thank, president lof loftus you've been president how long? >> september of 2014. so under two years. >> you've been the president of a tumultuous time period. i believe that you have guided the conversation which oftentimes is a difficult and heated conversation. i don't know if anyone in this room or at home listening has attended some of the community meetings. but certainly posts an officer-involved shooting. they're very, very volatile and tempers are running high.
i just want to acknowledge the entire commission, the comirses tha commissioners here and the law enforcement that are serving in a very difficult time as well. i do have a few more questions about time and distance general order. i want to be specific. how can the police commission ensure that this particular general order and this is the time and distance general order is followed by our department? >> well, that's a great question. the short answer is this, departmental general orders is not an option. any violence of a general order could result in discipline. so discipline is one way. the better answer, that's one lever is that the united states department of justice is engaging in clap raive reform with us. one of the things i asked and hope they set as a goal is to be boots on the ground in the
stations working with the officers and captains making sure it's happen and helping us ensure it's not just on a piece of paper but the policy is followed. the training allows officers to follow it. i'm very hopeful about their involvement and where it's not followed, the commission has discipline as a tool to use. >> it's currently my understanding that there are 368 active patrol officers that received craseis intd vengs training. can you explain the -- can you explain to me the process in which these officers are dispatched to situations that may require c.i.t. or deescalation much like the recent officer-involved shooting on shotwell street. >> >> currently it's 524 officers
trained. when a call came out and someone was in crisis, that question would be asked by the dispatcher if they had training and that information would be passed along. as we know from a number of high profile shooting, often time the information the officer is given -- >> is that what happened in the shotwell incident? >> i can't speak to that. i will say that the issue of how they're dispatched, they are being dispatched, but the open question is who -- how are the scenes tactically take of. is it the c.i.t. officer in charge? they're questioning that are addressed to make sure that -- > when you say currently addressed, by whom? >> commission and department. >> do we have any plans to train more officersos with c.i.t. training? >> every academy class is
traine trained with c.i.t. and the goal is to train the entire department with c.i.t. the beauty of c.i.t. is the it's a department, it's not standard police training, it's done off site and people who have been trained in these instances. >> i want to talk about body cameras. what was your vote when this discussion was at the police station, the body cameras? >> i voted for them and voted with six colleagues that does -- yeah. >> when can we expect the policy of the crams and implementation to take place within the department? >> that's my same question. the prose is at the department of human resources. they're in the meet and confer process. iemp' added to thed agenda for next week.
it's imperative the cameras get on our officers. >> i want to talk about the blue ribbon panel. can you ask the sta systematic process? >> i was invite to testify and i did. >> what will the police commission do with the recommends? >> it's to the clear what the recommendations look like. but i let the team of lawyers know and judges know we're open to all ideas and suggestions. al i asked if they wouldn't presented formally to the commission since we have the responsibility to develop policy. i said we're open to all suggestions and ideas. >> all right. next one is about tasers. what is your position on tasers? >> i think the suggestion that tasers is the sole answer to the situation we faind ourselves in, i don't agree with at all. i've been in a number of community meetings where there are different opinions on tasers.
i committed to a process that ensures the policy is thoroughly vetted from all the community groups. i'm interested in what d.o.j.'s recommendation is. they'll let us know on friday when they'll let us know. i will say this, the department has put forward a policy that would have the most highly trained officers be given a taser. the suggestion in the policy is that a taser cannot be used except for a situation where it would be the last resort prior to leith force. those are questions we ask whether we believe that's a part of the engineering use of force. those are conversations that we're in the middle of. >> okay. two more topics. independent investigations. ifts wondering if you support the call to attorney office har to perform a -- >> i'm not a part of the conversations on the attorney general's side.
i'm walled off from those. but as a commissioner, i welcome engagement from anyone who wants to get involved. i spent a lot of team with people from usdoj. they are a he going to bring in implicit bias training and they've been clear to the extent to which the departments to not cooperate or they identify civil rights violations. if it's the department of justice. no one can turn a blind eye to systematic civil rights violations. there is plenty of intentative for everyone in san francisco to move in the vision forward because i think we have an opportunity to do it ourselves. or we have an opportunity to have someone come if and do it for us. >> great. i want to close with a couple of questions on the status of the officers in the text messaging incident. how many of the officers involved with the recently revealed homophobic and racist text messages are with the department or have they been
dismissed? >> there are four officers and there thri are no longer with the department. one fl them is pending a criminal investigation. we have that -- >> what is their role within the department? >> sus spenned without pay is my understanding. >> i'm sorry. i just had a general question. i wanted to say thank you for answering my question supervisor mar. thank you for your patience. >> thank you. supervisor mar. >> president loftus, i appreciate your hard work an the other commissioner. since supervisor cohen brought up the text. i thought it was an april fools day article when i read the second set of texts. i view them as the tip of the iceberg as a culture that not just bad apples but rotten to the core at times given the horrible, not only racist and
homophobic, but the first set of texts were antiimmigrant and antiwomen. it's the set of bigotry. you mentioned peter drucker's statement. that they eat policy for lunch. they said reprehensible actions by a few officers do not retblect the overall blah blah blah. but they're trying to say a few bad apples. saying that is important, but they're not acknowledging systemic culture. the public defenders office said they're trying different things. i'm wondering, i go way back to 30 years when delores hiewrlt huerta had her spleen rushed and ribs broken and those advocating
for police oversight. the police does what you can. but how do you deal with this decades-long thin blue line of loyalty and this culture that needs to change now that we've seen the tip of the iceberg from these text message scandals? >> you reference huerta and john lewis. >> but delores huerta happened here during the democratic convention in san francisco. >> 3 is years ago is not a long time and selma 51 years ago is not a long time. so policing on community is real. i'm not here to suggest that there are not issues that we have to deal with of racism and hope it phobia an homophobia
and the shamer this if country. they happen in many places. when i look at the incidents of identifying a racist police officer. the question i asked is what happened next. if there was a culture from the top down of sweeping these und the rug, those officers were not have charges filed against them or face a commissioner loftus and molt choose to resign because they know that they're certain of what their fate is. i think speeches aside and poom who want to say whatever they want to say, the reality is we have work do do and relationship to builds they've find the racic and assessic and homophobic police officers. let's not castigate an entire field because of a shame of a few. you have my commitment to rid this department of officers who hold those views. part of what we have to do is
identify them and take action. >> president loftus, do you think everything you're he a doing is enough to change that culture of bigotry within the police department? >> i mean million dollar question, we've had cop watch, have we made all the progress we want? if that works, are we at the promised land yet? what i would offer is we need to take the best of our thinking in san francisco. we need to ask the kids who live in bayview lupter hunters point point. they've written you letters. i've asked of the housing project. i've asked police officers. to suggest we know the answer on how to get out of what is a deeply troubling level of distrust between police and community is unrealistic. what i know is this, the progress that we've made goes back to engagement and relationship. and i think we have an
opportunity in san francisco to reject the name-calling and shaming. certainly where there is reason to do it, again, you have no role in this police department. but how do we together build a department that we're proud of. a lot of the models have to do with forcing things. let's force them to do what we want. we force when necessary, persuade when we can and work together we're all in this. policing -- police and community need each other. >> it looks like we've ended all the questions from my colleagues. i want to thank you for your prens president loftus. at this time i'm going to call up any comments. >> i would like to thank my mother maureen roach and my husband tom loftus and my three beautiful girls it's only because of them i'm able to do any of this. >> thank you.
[applause] i have many comment cards here. if i call your flame, please line up to the wall right there to the my right where i'm pointing. marianne. ya londa williams. martin. david elliot le us. brenda washington. come on up. >> you don't have to speak in the order i called you. but if you called your name, please come on up. >> good afternoon i'm here as the president of officers for justice to say we completely support the reinstatement of suzy loftus to the police commission. she has shown that she is a courageous woman who supports and understands impress it biased policing. she understands the need for accountability in situations
likes text-gate. she supports reform and procedural justice. she responding to our domestic violence calls and enhantsing the technology that is currently used by the police department so we can deliver more quality police service to the citizens that we serve. she has advocated as i and the officers for justice have done consistently that police officers learn to treat people with dignity and respect. and that we're truly accountable for our actions. and that this department must be transparent. i have attended many police commission meetings where i've heard her not only take on the chief, she would take on police officers, and she will take on union leaders and officials who really don't get the message. that the it cannot longer be a
situation where it's us versus them. it has to be the "we" concept. she also understands the importance that cognitive training is needed within our department. she's a role model for the women of san francisco. i urge you to allow her to be reinnovated. >> next speaker, please. >> i'm marion johnson and a rez of the san francisco. i am here to support suzy loftus. i've worke worked with her for four years. she's trying to chang the culture of the department and i'd like to see her finish what she started and i think another four years would be great for her to keep participating. also finally seeing what i qant
to see is this community policing. she is now involving the community in how the police is plition our communities. -- policing our communities. i won't keep you long, but i do encourage this committee to give suzy loftus another four years. thank you. >> thank you very much. next speaker, please. >> hello supervisors. i'm brenda washington and i'm a tenant organizationer with the s.r.o. collaborative. i'm a board member of the uptown tenlder loin museum. enough about me. woor a here for suzy. i met suzy on a police commission hearings about the restricts in the tenderloin
where i live. what they had planned for us was not going to fit into our program because we didn't even get a hello about what we're doing and changing and we were tiertd of it. peer tired of it. we came out in numbers to ask the commission though redistrict the redistricting plan that he had for us and involved us. suzy loftus was one of those head people that kept it on track and listened to what he said and ultimately we came to an agreement and it's working wonderfully. i would love to see her be reappointed as president police commissioner. we need her. thank you. >> thank you very much. next speaker, please. >> i'm david elliot lewis.
i'm with the mental health board of san francisco and a tenant advocate for the sro clab va rif ofive and i'm of the c.i.t. worker and trainer who has been training officers as part of the crisis intervention team training for two years. i had a chance to work request commissioner loftus in two comasities. one through her with k. o c.i.t. i've been impacted by tenderloin crime and i was concerned when the tenderloin found out what the community wanted for boundaries was different from what the department wanted. commissioner loftus has organized forums in the community to take our input about how these boundaries would affect access to police services.
and i found her and fellow commissioners very receptive and ultimately we came up with boundaries that helped meet the needs of my neighborhood, the tenderloin. i'm grateful for her support of taking community input in redrawing these boundaries. in the past, it's been what the police department wanted without that much community input. regarding crisis intervention team training, that is a work in progress. yes we trained 400. yes, we have a long ways to go. right now it's not fully operationallize. right now c.i.t. training is not more than training. we need do more. commissioner loftus has been supportive of that. i think the department has dragging its heels but they're starting to see the light and she's been valuable in getting them to see the light of c.i.t. i hope you'll reappoint her. she's been a huge asset for the police commission and the
community. thank you. >> thank you very much. before i call up the next speaker i have a couple more cards. looper. davis. beetle and michael patton. >> good afternoon, i'm martin halloan the president of the police officers association. the p.o.a. is in fu support for another term for suzy loftus to serve on the san francisco police commission. siewtzsuzy has long demonstrated her advocacy for women as rights. rights of children of arrested parents. she's demonstrated that since she served on police commission. i was fortunate enough to work with suzy loftus when she was working in the san francisco district attorney's office. i could speak to her ethics and her morals, they're beyond reare
approach. since her service on the police commission, and these troubles times. she'd demonstrated strong leadership that is needed at this time when many questions are raised about the policies and practices of law enforcement. not just in san francisco, but nationwide. she is built bridges with the community while maintaining relations with the police officers association and all the other peg groups including the officers for justice. asian piece officers association peace officers association. pride alliance and women's police officers association. we work with body-worn camera ras. tasers all of these need strong guidance from the police commission. her service as pre of the commission has proven to see us through this far and we need to see it through to the finish line.
we strongly urge a reappointment of suzy loftus to the police commission. thank you. >> thank you. next speaker, please. >> i'm [inaudible] and i'm going to read the support letters i sent you all. i work for central city collaborative which is a committee housing -- i want to ask for the reappointment of suzy loftus. ccro worked with tenderloin. suzy worked with us closely to address issues in tenderloin. a prime example of her strong committeen put is when she got the boundaries for tenderloin. many were upset about the proposed boundaries. suzy met with us and our resident leaders on several occasions to hear our concerns. she worked with us on alternate
bown dpris. the committee and large would support. during this proseshe demonstrated good leadership by listening to and addressing the community concerns. she's been accessible, eager to hear resident concerns and work with them to figure out solutions. she never shies away from addressing controversial issues. she seeks community input and has willingness to figure out what works best for the community. we urge you to support suzy loftus for rea choiment can of bliss commission. we're confident she'll continue to do good work. >> i don't see some of the folks i called previously. from speaker calls. norm ma. vinnie nng, johnny monroe and rachel killsock. >> i'm mel beatle and i'm here
as heart part of the collaborative. i've seen suzy perform as president of the commission. more than once. i saw her perform today. that kind of leadership is necessary at the commission. i hope you will put her back. thank you. >> thank you very much. next speaker, please. >> good afternoon. i'm vinnie. i had the great fortunate of meeting suzy a few years ago. when i was seeking council, recovering from the unexpected and tragic loss of my sister, in an officer-involved shooting. one of the first things that suzy said to me after receiving my store storry was how can we learn from this? this is the leadership that this
community needs. someone who is willing to look at tragedy and acknowledge that hope can still exist. so that others won't have to encounter the trauma that my continues to sustain. lethal outcomes are preventable and wk only reform our law enforcement agencies by willing participation from every stakeholder and so i strongly encourage you to reappoint suzy to the commission so that we can continue to do the hard work necessary to restore dignity to our communities. thank you. >> thank you very much. for sharing that story with us. [applause] >> good morning. i'm julius [inaudible] i'm the
vice president of the police department. there is not a word here today that i can expwree with. you heard a lot about the policy-driven side of the work that we do at the commission. because as you know, the other side, the discipline side is not a side that we can discuss publicly. let me share a little bit more about suzy's work if that area. the police commission, as you know, charged with disciplines officers for serious violations is work that we take very seriously. and it is a collaborative process in which we must meet and discuss what level of discipline, if discipline should be imposed upon an officer. i cannot tell you that we always agree, but what i can tell you is that suzy has a process in
which she evaluates and treats every officer with fairness, with an open ear and weighing evidence in a way that both respects their rights and this process. being a police commissioner is difficult work. sometimes. our ability to speak out on issues is limited. and sometimes people just don't understand. understand-- underse don't speak out publicly on certain issues. suzy has always walked the fine line of preexpecting both the public and officers, saving officers where she can but punishing those and believe me, we fired officers much more so than other commissions. otheii cannot urge you more strongly than to reappoint suzy. >> thank you commissioner.
and for your service as well. next speaker, please. >> good afternoon, commissioners. where are my glasses. can?? supervisor cohen, supervisor tang supervisor mar. suzy is great. slee really is. -- she really is. i've been on the commission a long time. i think there are a couple of things. number one, i want to emphasize. not only is she a great commissioner, but she's a great leader. when you get into these times, you need leadership. one the great qualities as a leader, you knows it all for one thing. that tax a lot of study. and she's a great convener. she's been able to pull huge
parts of the community together to guide us through what i call a community crisis. you've seen her at the p meetings when we've had tough times at the police commission pleatings. but also, the way she put together the whole body camera piece and brought all the concerned folks together and we were able to craft something out of that and move things forward. i'll say this quick, the big thing now is we're poised to make changes in our use of force policies that will be then have i of this nation. i'm sure of that. my big concern is we'd come out of it differently than any other city and we're right there. we moved it this far. we can't stop now. we have to keep moving forward. we ever momentum. you have to move her in and get her back and keep it going.
in a few months, people -- you talk about communication. san francisco is the one looking forwards as the expm for how to deal with community crisis and use of force policy. please, let's get her back. >> thank you. commissioner for your service. i know we have another commissioner here pe troa dejesus and kevin stall and takai tyler. >> i'm here for two i agree in terms of leadership for suzy. we've sat in the community meetings. many rock cuss and angry community meetings. we can't speak in the police role. it's important for us to be out in the community meetings to get that temperature and anger and heat and understand it.
i've sat with suzy and others and it's been important to understand policy. even though the worker eking groups have gotten tote. we exercise judgment when it comes down to minimal use of force versus reasonable force. we'll use our intent judgment but it's important to get the conversation going. i do support her and i think this is the time of crisis that we should maintain the leadership and continue to go forward and see if we can work. it's going to be a long, hard road but we need to go forward in pay uniform and thoughtful manner and put forward the reforms we're trying to institute in the department at this point. i'll get back in line. >> thank you very much. >> good morning, supervisors i'm john monroe. i'm the inspector for the police department.
from january 2012 to june 2015, i was police commission secretary. i had the unique experience of being the secretary when commissioner mazzucco was president and loftus. i'll get back in line also. commissioner loftus, before the demario incident. before the second text gating incident. before that. her community was communitien gaugement always. as some members here alluded to and commission -- supervisor cohen alluded. the police commission had lively meetings. i knew on thursday morning first thing i asked the secretary, did loftus call yet? because i know she would have something for me to do to reach out to members of the community and advocates.
her concern for community and policing is enormous. it was way before the headlines hit now. i'll expand more on ma swriewka but i urge you to reappoint commissioner loftus. >> thank you very much. next inteeker, please. -- next speaker, please. >> i'm rachel shaw i've a been a san francisco offerser for 25 years. i've known commissioner loftus for a few years. if our written directive unit which is our policy unit in the department and now as the commission secretary taking -- treeg to fill the shoes of inspector monroe. i've been lucky enough to work with her in both roles both as commission secretary. when i first met her working in the policy unit on pretty innovative and ground-breaking policies that our department and under her leadership has taken
the lead on, and she alluded to some children of arrested parents. the restricting, body-worn cameras. use of force. domestic violence policy not only that applies -- general policy, but the policy involving members of our department. is she took a lead on that as well. her leadership and dedication and commitment to not only the commission but the people of this city. is unrivaled. she constantly is working. constantly in contact with us. making sure that we are not only the commissioners, but the staff of the commission are responsive to the people who live here. she takes her role as commission president seriously and is mindful of the importance of hearing all voices.
and that they're considered. she is it fair when it comes to discipline and it is important to her that the due process for all officers is followed. i urge you to support her reappointment. i think consistency is very important during these challenging times for the department. and i think she is a great commissioner. >> jay hillson. [inaudible] green. james [inaudible] colet ground.. >> i don't know if my name wassed called. >> he'll be up soon. >> and we have jeff montaheno. >> i'm jeff monteno. i'm here to speak on his behalf in support of suzy loftus'
reappointment to the commission today. he has been extremely impressed with commissioner loftus work on the commission. she has demonstrated time and time again that she's committed to fairness and justice at the commission. through her action and words as well. supervisor feral believes she has the right background to serve the public from her work in the attorney office ears office to her work with bayview. she is working deeply with the community. she focuses on women and children's issues and offering support to those who don't otherwise get it. most recently the most two recent involved officer shootings she has dmon stripted she has the be composure, compassion, reason and justice
to lead the commission and our city through this morning and trying times. the police commission conducts glin ri hearings on charges of police misconduct and impose discipline as warranted. to hear police officers appeals from discipline-imposed by the chief. you can tell from suzy's testimony today that she takes that mission seriously. it's something that she'd committed to doing. we reflect fully ask you reappoint her today. >> thank you. next peeker please pd imoorch. i'm cathy dliewka, i'm the policy and proposal marchger with walk san francisco. i'm here in behalf of walk s san francisco to support liewz jiewrs i loftus reappointment to the police commission. she's been a be champion for vision zero.
we know we need to use all our rees sources. engineering, education and enforcement is a crucial part of that. because of suzy loftus' work and passion for traffic safety within the police department and commission, the police department adopted a vision zero goal. the department has been working really hard to reach its goal also of focusing on the top five traffic violations. and that's because of really the support and work that suzy has done if the background. she also has set up that the police commission gets quarterly updates on vision zero. so keeping the commission involved. as everyone what has said here this afternoon, she is a a bridge builder. as you might not be surprised, sometimes advocacy groups look mine might have a hard time with a certain police captain or traffic citation behaviors and have that time working with the captain or officers. and commissioner loftus as been
a god send in that way. an a mais amazing bridge builder. there is a respect and acknowledgment that we want to get to the same goals. so, i know that we're going to have a better relationship between advocates and the police if we have commissioner loftus on the commission and beeo i know we'll get to vision zero quicker too. for those reasons, i hope you reappoint her. >> thank you very much. next speaker, please. >> i'm kevin stall. ii'm a member of the sro collaborative and swrition zero advocate. last year a year or two ago when we were going through the restricting process of redrawing the police lines, suzy loftus was open and understanding to the community's needs of making sure the lines are drawn to
where our needs are met as well as making sure the police resources are assigned to where they need to be to make our community safer and i'm very thankful and glad she did that as well. as on the vision zero piece. i want to say that i'm glad that she's helping make sure the police are more accountable and citing unsafe drivers in the city to make sure our streets are safer. this is a goal that needs to be met to make sure that all people are safe on our streets now and in the future. i also want to thank the police commission as well for all the hard work they've gun doing and you suzy loftus' leadership and i hope they continue to do so under a strong woman leader and a woman who was raised by her mother who did a great job raising a strong woman leader in the city. i want to thank her personally as a great woman sha she is.
>> i'm going it call two more speaker cards. if i didn't call your name, please come on up. please line up by the wall. >> my name is kat acres tyler. i'm with the hunter point family agency. we're a community-based agency. i met suzy loftus several years ago when i served on the community advisory councilor for the center for youth wellness. i'm here today to voice our strong support for her reappointment to the commission. i feel honored to be in this long line of supporters and just to be able to talk about the work that she's done, hear what everyone else is saying and see the consistency in who she is as a person. i know personally in the work that i did with her how tirelessly she worked to build partnerships, and to make sure that there was community voice at the center for youth wellness
on behalf of the children and families who had suffered traumas in the community, community violence, flame violence and working to enhance the possibility for them to have a more positive future. and soi'm excited to see that she's taken those same qualities and applied them to her work on the commission. i have always just admired her clear vision and her honesty in terms of the work that she does. and more importantly, i remember having conversations with her and have it come through clearly how much she loves san francisco. i believe that love is what you have to to have any time you're going to do difficult and challenging work. i appreciate that about her. and i support her reappointment, thank you. >> thank you. next speaker, please. >> >> good afternoon. i'm jay hilton,. i'm part of the ambassador's
circle. i had the pleasure of doing this four years ago for suzy loftus the first time. i represent a body of people that have known her since 1992. i'm here as a kind of be a led to to say that everything you're hearing today and for the people that have worked with her over the last couple of years have been true over the last 24 years since i've known soucy. i got back from sackmento where there is a conference for crime survivors. you ask about change and bringing about change. one thing that is beginning to be elevated on the national scene is that our leaders must be able to connect the dots between institution thized racism and systemic bias and suzy can one of those cerebral beings that can connect the dots and has been in the community and worked with such a diverse population that she is able to understand how things are connected. and so, if there is anything we
learned from watching the warrior's game last night is when seth curry is hot, keep giving him the ball. i thank you in advance for reinstating commissioner loftus because i think she'll do a great job over the next four years. you can't stop her. she's hot, give her the ball. >> thank you very much. next speaker, please. >> i'm zuri [inaudible] i met suzy a while ago. i came to i a police commission meeting and what happened is i invited some of the commissioners to come out to parolto patrol hill. i invited her to come out patrol hill and she took me up on that and she walked around. i echo everything that everybody is saying. i'm going to whole another subject is with our young
women. our impressionable youth. we have our strong leaders by malia and yoa londa and takai and myself. black african-americans. she's a white caucasian woman. for her to take to be around them and to take them up under her wing and to show them the level of respect as we show them as well is something that is needed to be seen in our community. my daughter had the unique opportunity of doing -- being in the mayor's summit youth program lastier. she still continued on and they made some different policies and procedures and different recommendations, the youth did towards the police department which the police department adopted if and looking at. that's when my daughter met suzy. she didn't know that was my daughter. my daughter came home and talked
about this lady and howen spiring she is. that he touched my heart adds a mother. to hear the other young lady takai about the other young women suzy took under her wing in the hunter bayview community. she touches on all different levels. for her to stop now would derail all the work that has been going on. and i'm on the chief african-american advisory committee and shoots' been informational in changing the policies and procedures and working on that. >> next speaker. >> hello, my name is paulette brown. and we have a circle for mothers and fathers who lost their children to homicide. for me, i lost my son nine years
ago. this year. august 14th will be 10 years. i've been coming to the police commission for the last nine and a half years. pleading for justice for my child. i want to say that since i've been coming here and i've been under several police commissions, when you tell your story, you want people to hear you and you want people to see you. you want people to feel how you feel. you want people to have empathy for you. you want people to have sympathy for you. i can honestly say that suzanne loftus the president of the police commission has given me that. when i tell my story, she doesn't look down on me. i still cry. i still hurt. when i show her my son's picture, her and her mother,
they told me they put the picture in their house. that gave me hope that people still care about us. and they're just not racial profiling us. just like the lady said. i'm an african-american woman. she's caucasian and she cares. she cares about the community. she cares when i bring other pictures whether they're glory or not. she has sympathy. she doesn't just say you've been here last week, you come here every week and we're tired of seeing you. she listens to me and after i finish talking, you ask the public, if you know anything about this police, please come forth. that gives me hope. i have to look at her because i know she's going to say something about my baby. we need that. thank you. >> thank you very much. next speaker, please.
>> i came here to speak about this. can. >> nie name is lee. i did 10 years in the military. i was also a junior deputy sheriff in bathen rouge. the solution is this. maybe i should hold it up. >> i want to make sure your comments are about item one. >> yes it is. it's to give you a solution for the problem that you're having, not anything else. the solution is this. maybe i should read it. get rid of the bullets by getting rid their ability to get bullets. this is how you solve the problem you're having currently. this is what i came here o speak about. the way you do thatto stop people from being shot is you deregulate the dope money they use to buy bullets where you have to have a war.
if you deregulate that, then you start deescalating the war to begin with. this isn't about, you know, hiring someone to try to find a solution. this is the solution. if you get rid of the money people get to shoot at you, you don't have to shoot back. in the mill ri, you get -- military, if you get rid of my bullets, i can't shook back. you deregulate the drugs. now make them illegal for them to have it so they don't have the $20 to build up a cache of bullets. maybe you don't understand what i'm saying. it's the only way you can stop the war is to damp it down by deregulating the dope they buy the bullets to shoot at you in the first place. can you understand the solution in maybe you don't. you should actually try to understand that you have to have
someone having law and order like the military. if you take away the bullets from me, i can shoot back to defend you. maybe you don't understand ma i'm trying to say. >> thank you vch. next speaker, please. >> good afternoon. suzy loftus has done a great job. please reappoint her. thank you. >> thank you very much. next speaker, please. >> somebody you want to be the police commission officer. someone like mohammed ali or bruce lee or james bond. but i support soozy loftus. for the police commission. , i would say police commission nominee must monitor people's activities.
people's civil rights, secure protection. people's civilized culture. secure protection. people's passion or wisdom, or people heart of destiny. pathway. all taken under consideration. to be police commission duties. inside and outside police work. [inaudible] for good response of safety in action. security and pro tengz. should be having eye aspirations. equality, liberty and just physical for all. >> next speaker and anyone who wishes to comment on item one, please come up. >> my name is brown.
president of the san francisco branch of the national association for the advancement of colored people. and pastor of third baptist church for 40 years. i stand here to support not just miss loftus, but i stand to support mr. swr mazzucco. because dr. martin luther king junior was right. when he said the measurement of a man or a woman not where he or she stands in time of convenience and comfort but where he or stands in times of controversy and challenge. i say without fear of
contradiction. these two persons i've named have stood tall in the times of challenge and controversy around the issue. >> specifically in the african-american community followed by the brown community. they possess the character, competency, chemistry, and the courage to do the right thing. i hope you will dot right thing today. i hope you will appoint them back the commission. >> thank you very much. >> are there any members of the public who wish to speak on item one? seeing none, public comments is closed.
supervisor cohen will be back, but i think i'll kick it off by saying i am so thrilled we have someone like suzy loftus in our community serving in her role as the president of the police commission. seeing her work and being able to really deal with all the challenges that are facing not only the police department, but the commission as well. and to do it with grace, calmness, and without laser focus not only the issue at hand, but also on the future. it takes a lot of skill to be able to do that. i have certainly seen her rise ottocation it be able to handle it well in this role. so, you know, i wholeheartedly support her reappointment. seeing everyone of you who have come out and the communities you represent says a lot of about her and her work on the commission. i'm happy to support her reappointment. supervisor mar. >> the public statements said it
allth the stack of letters of support. tremendous respect from so many different communities. i wanted to pay my respects by moving that we support the reappointment of president suzy loftus to the full board as a committee report for consideration on our april 19th 2016 board meeting. >> thank yñn-m supervisor mar. >> i want second that. >> seconded by supervisor cohen. >> thank you very much. everyone for coming out and caring an being engaged. as you heard particularly one of the john hilton said she's hot, right? so i think we can continue to give her the ball and you should know president loftus we continue to keep scoring. we're not looking for any bricks here. thank you. >> thank you. and so, and i also want to take this opportunity to thank my colleagues as well for having a diplomatic and productive conversation and a difficult issue.
with that confess there was a motion to send forth with positive recommendation as a committee report and we'll take that out objection. congratulations. [applause] all right and now item two. >> motion confirming the mayor's nomination in appointing tosms mazzucco for a forker four-year term ending april 30th, 2020.
>> blue ribbon panel. one the judges asked commissioner loftus if she could be king for a day what changes would she make. i set next to suzys mom and said it won't go well. that judge realized he crossed the line. thank you suzy. also want to thank reverend brown coming here to talk for suzy and i. that means a lot to me in going through the process. i met with reverend brown. i want to the church and met with him and had a very
good and hard conversation along with reverend rick baker since i have known since i was 15 years old. we had a great conversation about the reading assignment. i it h to read a article about martin luther kings last speech and we had a great dialogue. i learned from it, it is a very important points came out. i want to thank you reverend brown. i'm here to ask for reappointment for a 4 year term to what i think is probably the most important commission in the city because this is the leas onbetween the citizens and police department. the recent few years haven't told us that, the leading agency in the city
is the police department. we as a commission do the policy and procedure and the discipline. you heard about that. i thank commissioner loftus for filling us in. we can't go out and tell everybody what we do all day. this isn't a part time job, especially as president, i did it for 2 or 3 yours. it is a 60 hour week. now as a commissioner it st. 20 hour week but 20 hours i enjoy. we do discipline and meet with incommunity and out in the community all the time. to me that is helpful because we have get the message and bring it back and forth. it is a great learning experience. why do i want to be on the commission another 4 wreers? one, i am a native san franciscan and love the sit a. i raised my city in the sit a along with my wife who is a teacher. it is a city
of saint francis and people care and don't care about your backgrown. the most open silty city in the world. we raised our children here and proud of it. i serve the city as a prosecutor in the district attorneys office and served as the united states attorney for department of justice. now i served on the police commission 8 years. i'm not the longest standing issue. commissioner dejesus and marshal have be beat. 8 years. we have issues with use of force. we have issues with police officers texting not treat thg public right. throughout my career every time i had a chance to talk to academy classes, new police officers, i start the speech off with,
please treat everybody with the same respect you would hope somebody would treat your mother, father, brother, sister or children. that is the basic tenant and that flows through everybody we have done for policy, procedure and discipline. the sad part is not all the officer follow that. i get it, it is a 2300 member police department and there will be people that are a problem. one thing we have done as a commission under suzys leadership and prior leadership is we have been moving forward. we discussed department general orders regarding use of force when it come tooz shooting moving cars. one thing i thought was the silliest thing is shooting at a car. san francisco police department does want do that anymore because the commission looked at that. we talked about car pursuits and don't do tat
because it puts the public at risk thrmpt are other things we have done, the crisis intervention training. you heard folks talk about that. that started during when i was the president. i remember when it was brought to our attention there was push back. i said wait a minute, we are seeing most the instance officers have to use force involve people in crisis. in fact, i was on dr. marshals show street soldiers and they are saying why is this happening. the common thread of officer involved shootings are people in crisis. the crisis intervention became a important part of what we did as a commission. it isn't tradition for police officers but give them a cit badge. the interest is phenomenal. you
heard the numbers a little over 500 officers trained and have seen it and gone to the class. i have seen in it in operation on street and it saved lives. when we had that award ceremony for the officers it a shame the public didn't see that. that was 9 officer involved shootings that never happened. i sat there and had tears in my eyes of the presentation and hear the officers and what they did. there is complete buy in. it has to be get better and need to protect it and when we wlook at the use of force policy wree doing that. it is a delicate balancing the officer safety versing public safety. cit is a big component and will get better at that and think we'll get to a point where we love to
eliminate the officer involved shootings. i have to tell you as a commissioner the worst thing we do is review every officer involved shoting. every time we get the message a officer difeed ipa officer involved shooting we review and return to duty and fire arm discharge review board, we make policy recommendations made by the police department and by occ is and it is the hardest part because someone lost they are life in most instances. i investigated officer involved shootings i think i did 17. i will take you to what it is like. it is tragic, it isn't pretty. the officererize severely effected. the community is severely effected. the victims
and families are severely effected and we are asked to take a look and say what can we do better. every time we look at this we say god, what could we have done better? how do we approach the community but go into the community and take the communities fire and the sad part is i wish we could talk back and forth. talk to you and members the board of supervisors because wecan tell what we do. we have to sit there and can't respond. i want to give commissioner loftus credit we did something unique after mario woods shooting and went out and met with groups to talk about officer involved shootings and it was the most incredible experience because it wasn't a crowd of folks screaming and us sitting there with a straight face but had a dulog along with members of the police department and it was
incredible tosee what we learned about what people how they view the police and the use oof force. that was a incredible learning experience so hope fl more opportunities like that like with the buddy cameras, we have gone out to the community and get input. we go to cops for doj for their expert opinion. we welcome any look at it san francisco police department because we can do better and will do better. you look at president obama 21 century policing and most of that we have already done. we put those policies in place and procedures in place. we backed the procedures up with discipline and here to tell you during my tenure as president in the last 40 years we have terminated 8 police officers. one the hardest things we will do, but we don't take it lightly and give them due process but be do it because we
cannot have the publics trust unless we eliminate officers that dopet belong here. the other statistic is variety important thrks number of officers who resigned with charges pending because they know they would beterminated. that number has gone up substantially. >> my question is what is the number sp ? >> the number of >> you said 8 officers terminated- >> 8 officers terminated since 2011 after hearing. there has been 12 officers who resigned with charges pending. >> since when? >> april 2011 to present. nobody in the commission will tolerate if a officer is a racist. if they
lie. if they use excessive force. thauls commission that will help the officer if they have personal problems. commission president sparks taught when a aufser hasn't done anything that is put him or her then position where they can't testify or not a racist or homeo phobic we try to help them and that is something this commission has done. we do not and will not tolerate officers who send racist texts. you asked a question about it department general order about social media. i'm at the forfront of that department, that is assigned to me and working on that and waiting for drafts for city attorneys office and meet and confer with unions and it is a legal subject. where do the officers first amendment right end and meet that department
general orders of conduct on becoming. the minute they express a racist view they don't belong in the san francisco police department. my father served in this department and learned as a children that cannot exist. i give you our word, we give due process but if a officer is a racist the result is termination the best example i can give you is that in the last 3 months there are 3 officers who decided they can send racist texts wloo decide it terminate themselves rather than continue to embarrass the department. we have structure and discipline and know that is a the hammer. one thing in the multifaceted approach i'm looking at is how do officers get to the point after they join the san francisco police deparlt with all good intentions they feel comfortable being
a racist or feel comfortable using excessive force. how do we get there? we had presentations through the police department what happens to officers during their career. what changes them? 10 hours a day on the street and see the worst of the worst or cleaning up the mess. one thing i say about the proud men and emen in the department many when are behind us, they clean up societies mess. i told you most the officers if not all officer involved shootings involve people in minuteal health crisis. they are cleaning up it every day. ironically last night and heard sirens and what i heard were officers calling for hot teams, saying can we move to a door step at 400 castro because he doesn't want to be in the while. what is the status
at psych emergency. it is code red meaning no beds available. that is what the officers deal with. we ask them to be psychologist. how does that effect them and does it bring them to the point they make these mistakes. we also noted very significant statistic, a lot of officers awarding for harrowism end up in the discipline calendar a year and a half later. they have ptsd. i learned that from dr. morgan peterson and he told me you do a great job after these ois's but guess what you talk at the 95 day mark? >> i said no. >> we don't. he says that is when they get ptsd. i dent care if they center to go kicking and screaming because they have to go to counseling because
police officers are helper, not help seekers. i think it good of department and public. some accomplishments that we have done, the disciplinary backlogged we cleared the calendar which is good thing because there was over 100 cases. we are probably down to about 12 to 14 cases, with those cases-exclude thg cases that were taken away. we will have done that with the chief and union and council and make agmessage. ia lie you are gone. you hurt somebody you are gone. a racist you are gone. proud of that ft invention system i worked . those are factors we look at about whether or not the officers will have problems occ complaint, complaint from supervisors. we have that in plas but neat
work. the acl u told us all most plea00 officers referred to the eis system and 6 counseled. it may be a inaccurate number and may not my gut is it is not so we need to perfect that. we worked oen issues where we had suicides by officers that we took head on and moved forward with improving the counseling program to make sure that doesn't happen. we have done a lot and have lot to do and very proud to serve the city and proceed to serve the citizens the city because you can't have public safety without public trust. i walk every day in the city, i take the bus. i walk back after meeting with reverend brown a few weeks and sow how fillmore street changed, one, two, three
blocks. we lot more work to do. i'm proceed to say despite the incident we are ahead of the curve. like dr. marshal said we want to be at the forfront and be the police department everybody follows. the department is like a fmly and that isn't a negative thing for a commissioner to say that because i know what officers go through. i know what their life is like y. took my mom to the last academy graduation. she had just gone to a funeral of one of my dads former partners. we watched the most diverse class that ever graduated. i heard a mom screen and said that is my baby. it was just a-one of my law partners told me he was driving
by walking with his daughters and said it was incredible to see. i told my mom what do you think? she said this great, these kids are incredible. what a great agency, you should be proud. they just signed up for 25 years of heart break and that is something we need to balance as we move forward. i take the police department has been through a lot of changes and take it seriously and it is for the better of the community, but i brought something with me today that i think i will show you. i took this picture out of the frame. i'm also here because of him. sergeant inspector mazzucco and these pictures there is a difference i noticed this morning. when our
officers take pictures now it is behind the american flag. look at the pictures they to in the 60's their hands are folding and they are peaceful. that is how i want it to be. >> thank you very much. i see that supervisor cohen questions >> i feel like you got the answers to the questions given that you had a opportunity to hear my questions that i addressed for president loftus, so i'm going to ask you to begin by starting to talk about you have served for the last 8 years what are you most proud of and what have you accomplished and want to know should you be grantsed
another 4 years to serve what you will continue to work on or order from the policy changes you would like to see? >> i'm proud the crisis intervention training because that isn't typical and officers feel comfortable with and proud we are able to convince the officers and community to come together and make that happen. i'm proceed-it saved lives. i can put my headthen pillow and know pushing something forward where there was push back that i can say i helped save live jz that is what we strive to do in public service. i'm proceed of the work and time and effort that went into that. i'm proceed on the work of things that happened in including the video where men and women with the leadership department permission and commission involvement put together a video about
what it was like to be bullied. i sent that to everyone i know. i'm proud of the department general orders that i worked on about not shooting at moving vehicles because it protects community. i'm proud being able to hire and encourage hiring more diverse police officers. i'm proud of the fact we go then community and have community organizations we work with and can have frank conversations about re districting. commissionering lot us led through the redistricting thing and that is incredible. they were saying you are not taking those officers from us. you won't do that to us. we want this and that and you hear how people are concerned about their district and station and officers. it is theirs and it is real. i enjoyed working
on that. there is just a [inaudible] eis, push back on that [inaudible] nobody likes statistics but i think when we put together and put in place that showed there are indicators we need it look at. one of the leading indicators was a tragic incident and that is what we need to look at so the officers don't do anything negative in the community. also we worked on the disciplinary back hog and a lot say that may bow the greatest accomplishment because there is nothing worse having officer in the department with pending charges. under the prior system the officers would get paid to put in a position whether outside the public and saw them as a cancer in the department because they had a bad attitude and around new officers, hard working officers and said we need to elim nase the back log. there were tricked played by
the attorneys, it was having a negative impactthen commission and community and the victims of the offenses wondered where wh will we know what is going on. that took a lot of work and commissioner hammer and chief gas onsaid take a lookt the cases closer and chief suhr he agreed the police chief can only give up to 10 days. a lot of the sense are essentially between the 10 deigns and termination but the chief can't make that termination so we have settlement conferenced and the chief says you did it was wrong and here is where i stand. i can't give more than 10 day but think it is 90 day or 30 day case. you need to retrain. we will terminate you and that is why you are probably seeing
more resignations with charges pending. that is important because that is public trust. they need to knee the commission we are quiet and don't have much puplicity- >> i think if you were to publicize or send out a press statement officer so and so is terminated the media would pick it up, social media would pick it up so i want to charge you with the duty of getting the social media policy in place because i think it is critical. >> everyone is getting a amber alert. >> i think that important we do start to publicize that information t. is quite and frankly the community receives it as a it being swept under the rug and i know no policy that
prohibits the public knowing this information. >> i think that get-most are lawyers and thank god for dr. marshal and commissioner [inaudible] who are the logical people. there is only so much you can say so we we have restrictions and don't put out press releases. imagine the press release said 3 of the 4 most recent texting scandal have resigned because they had charges pending. the public need know that and love to the hear that and show the system is working. the question is, i had a conversation with supervisor breed which was a great conversation and she suggested we be better in public relations. >> absolutely. people who are testifying about the information and is only because of the relationship that where have with you and other members that i am able to-get the nrfgz
information but think it is critical and builds the luvl of trust and transparency that people feel is just not in existence. we need to do a better job of communicating disciplinary actions. i want to talk about a disciplinary action that is recent. earlier this year there was a officer that paroles the castro that was caught on video driving drunk and running away from the scene. do you know the situation? >> i do and again, we are getting the quasi-judicial capacity. [inaudible] what i know is what you know from the public- >> i'm not asking for it details the case, what i do want to know is the processes to which the
disciplinary process. i think you can talk to us about that. >> the process is that the police department has done their investigation and there is criminal charges filed by it district attorneys office. what happens is the district attorneys office, those charges stay our proceeding because the officer has criminal charges pending >> is the officer on duty? >> the answer to that question is no. >> okay. >> those are criminal chargespeneding so that takes precedence because the officer has a 5th privilege where we can't bring them forward in our matter. suffice to say we are able to take judicial note js follow what happens in the courts and reach our disposition. without getting specific if it is a crime of moral turpitude where one doesn't tell the truth it is clear and made to all officers domestic
violence, job is over with. >> move toog the next question, what type of bad behavior must a officer go through to reach a termination point? before they get to a termination point i know there is due process. what takes place to prevent a officer from getting back on the streets and dog doing their job? >> the commission. >> maybe you can talk about your thought and thought process because in particular i think about the officer involved shooting and that have happened in recent past and how the bayview community expressed out rage and disappointment there is a officer involved in a officer involved shooting at another location and assign today the bayview community. does the police commission have oversight onthality? that?
>> we do not. that is operational and for example the commissioner loftus told us we dont tell how tostaff people. at the ond thf day we get the problems when they make their way to us. unfortunately we can't tell the chief where to put people or where not to put people but i think there is pretty strong policies in place that i don't know in the officers involved what the background or status nor can i comment until we see the case in front the commission but have to put faith in the command staff that they do the right thing who assign officers who have issues and if they don't it go tooz the commission and we make the appropriate determination >> you are unique in the sense that i believe you probably served under 3 chiefs as a police commissioner? >> came in with commissioner fong and-chief fong and then i was
part the process that brought chief gas gone here and chief suhr. >> you had a opportunity to witness 3 different leadership styles. has the commission-within the 3 leadership styles is there one that a better fit for san francisco? >> i think all 3 are very different. chief fong is probably one the most incredibly organized understanding of all the department general orders. she is a incredible leader andipe rr bias because my father was her partner so very bias about chief fong. she did a excellent job in a touch time. she came after a incident in the city and led the police department with a steady hand >> what was the incident? >> after the fuheata gate. i was a prosecutor but not involved. she was a
leader, a quite leader. she turned all the disciplinary matters over to the commission. i think she wasn't a public personae and had chief gas gone that brought great change that were implemented about how the inspectors were move thood the district stations and he brought more of a los angeles type of policing >> does that work well in san francisco? >> it worked to a certain extent in terms of he bettered the system that the law enforcement officers had. brought in [inaudible] and more accountability. some will be critical that accountability may have caused problems. police officers willing to complain about anybody or anything. that goes back to the the issue we deal with. what happens when they are in for a while? he was more of leader i call the la style. he wasn't like the next chief greg suhr. greg
suhr walks athround community and in the uniform 7 days a week. greg suhr has a big heart and knehe is effected by all the things that happened more so than most people thenk. greg led by what he did as a police officer on the street for respect for the folks on the street and greg is more of a compassionate leader maybe to his detriment. all 3 are very different and the question is what is there best leadership style for san francisco. maybe a question of all 3. >> i want to talk about-what is your position on tasers and use of tasers by the police department? >> my position is we need one
more level of use of force before the officers use their fire arm. i have been through the taser debate twice. initially i didn't think it was a good idea and saw how the debate is frame jd narrowed and the chief made the recommendation that only used in circumstances with they deal with someone in a knife, not if a officer is taken by the street and fighting with them. i'm not a police officer but i heard from the expert squz listened to everybody and if you could find me one more item whether it is a net, a shield, a magic wand that put our officers in a position where they are safe and the public is safe that they don't have to use the fire arm then we should have it. if that is a taser that could be the answer. chief suhr put forward in a way that ges to
extremely well trains cit senior officers so don't have to worry about patterns of abuse. tasers have a camera and caept wait for the cameras by the way. i have asked for cameras for years. i learned-when i was a young attorney 100 years ago we represented a police agency and there were officers with tape recorders and taped people and every time there were a complaint they played the tape. i think the cameras are awesome. commissioner loftus walked through the process. we will see things that are not pretty. the use of force isn't pretty but we'll see what happened >> i remember the diswugz about the body cameras there was a discrepancy i think within your board, your commission where-correct me if i'm
wrong, it is some months, but if i remember the-there was a question whether the chief of police would have the authority--[inaudible] the question is, does the chief of police have the authority to review the footage? >> the issue is twl officers have a opportunity to review the footage prior to drafting their report. i think everybody was inken census they do it in all cases but use of force or a officer involved shooting and heard from the expert squz had presentations from everybody involved and buy in from the community. thepublic defender and aclu and san francisco bar said they shouldn't have the opportunity and had professors on law if forcement side and persaid why not. we reached a
compromise and the compromise is it up to the chief or his or her edesinginate to determine whether those officers can look at the video. i think that is important because if it is clearly a terrible indent that the chief said he thinks this is like the bart shooting, the officer shouldn't be able to take a look at that video. >> the bart shooting? >> in that case they would want let them see that. the question is it is a term of got yeah and my realty is the video will show what the video will show. my input is having investigative officer involved shooting and sat in that room all most 20 time squz the officer said i fired 5 rounds. they are never right, it is 2 round
or 1 round. the officers are articulate their feelings but don't see why they can't see the video, it won't change anything. if it is a bad situation that is the chiefs choice to determine that. it voted unanimously on that. >> thank you for that. do you support the call for independent investigation to be conducted by attorney general california state attorney general [inaudible] harris to perform? >> absolutely not. i think it is a body if prescribed by law we have no problem as a commission hearing from anybody else, any other investigation- >> so you do support the call? >> yes i do. >> okay. you said no. >> we'll list toon anybody we think is independent and think that is what we'll get if attorney general
[inaudible] who where hold in highest esteem >> supervisor mar has a few questions. >> thank you, supervisor mar. >> let me start by thanking you for the years of work as president and all the work. i think your efforts to understand the officers and families and how incredibly stressful and the toll it takes on people is valuable for the police commission. i think as you humanize chief suhr who i like as a person i want to take a moment to humanize luis gon gorea who passed because of the police shooting. i bow that jenny freeden balk and coalition on homelessness have brought the issues up because he was from yuke tonprovince in mexico. there was mental illness involved in his killing and eechbthen homeless outreach team call #d
tin and there is dispute about the amount of time the 7 or sow round were fired at him. my question is the crisis intervention team, why wouldn't they be at the scene and de-escalation be used in that situation? i guess i have so many questions like many people raised in the town hall jz as a police commissioner i wonder how you balance thinking about lives and families of officers in the field but also people from the communities that may have mental illness. one concern i said is officer clean up the mess and i think i don't view people with in homeless encampments or mental illness or substance abuse issue as a mess. they are people that need support and help
and just wondering if you may respond to that comment you made. >> yes, supervisor, i saw a incident in the street and there a article where i watched a homeless man in the street. i'm sensitive of the issue of people living on the street. i'm very bothered by it and come i talk about theophorouss are called in to clean thup mess that is term they have to deal with people that are at the lowest points whether or not they are committing a crime or homeless or mental health, we expect the officer tooz come to assistance and help them. i feel that every victim on the street. i spnt 19 years as a cross curt thinking about the victims, agonizing about the victims. we go to public meetings and had one in the
richmond scr people say we see so many homeless people that appear in mental health crisis and need our help. i think that is a huge issue in the city and something that bothers me as a commissioner in the city and catholic. with i sit there and get the officer involved shootings i can't tell you i'm not the only commissioner-we feel for those individuals and we do humanize them and why we do what we do. it is just the hardest part of being on the commission. we think about everybody. mario woods. alex nieto. after the shooting of alex nieto we had a community meeting probably the most contenses. i talked to his father and looked in his eye father tofather and saw his loss. that is
something i went on my own and did because i can't imagine where he is at and hope i never have to imagine that. >> can can ask about the question president loftus brought up about the culture needing to change and change needing to happen. you mentioned the second texting scandal at least 3 of the officers resigning. i think that is a good thing but not if we don't address the systemic and cultural problem. >> that is why i talked about multifaceted approach. i think every officer in the department with best intentions and have a good screening process. they go through a psychological evaluation and background check. ium think that we are
hiring a lot of officers. i would like to see go back to hire people that lived in san francisco. i think that you are more sensitive to san francisco values if you have been here for a prolonged period of time. i think that is the way it used to be about the law said you have to hire from different counties so think we need to be more careful because you will hear from rick baker who told me and spoke to reverend baker many times and he in is the bayview and can tell the young officers look afraid because they are not comfort in the city. those are things we need to look at. we node oo continue to monitor in the early intervention system if there is a problem and sent the message if there is a problem you will be terminatedment we need to catch this and [inaudible] i think in my opinion there are 2300 officers and there will be bad apples. and hope and pray it isn't
sustmic but we'll do our best to eliminate those. if that needs officers needs to be terminated we'll do that. >> you have view you are not sure it is a systemic problem? >> we talk to the officers all the time and hear there is problems. is it 200 or 300 officers? i can't answer that. 50 officers? i don't know. we'll route that out and figure what the issue is. >> want to follow up with supervisor cohens question about the departmental general order. i think out of the town hall many people were concern about the community engagement on tasers, but now it seemathize departmental general order changes or revisions are being done with the tasers involved and they are urging pliting off of tasers. how
do you feel about that? >> we are discussing that now. a lot of people are worried about having tasers as part the equation. what i am here to say is find anything that givers a level of use of force so the officers don't center to use fire arms, because fire arm is dead ly. a taser can be deadly, we know that. the arrest process people died from heart attacks without being taized or touched or hit so it a stressful situation so we need to find what is there and discussion and conversation will it effect the ability to go forward if we have the taser thrz and i'm open minded to see what direction we go. we sit and review this and wonder would we be here today >> thank you so much. >> thank you. i have 10 more question for you. any other comments or question snz seeing none i
think i'm going to open up to public comment and i do have a couple cards. several cards. thank you very much commissioner. if they are not here i'll go down had line. we had commissioner julius therman, petra dejesus and dr. joe marshal. reverend richard baker, reverend brown. [inaudible] john monroe and rachel killshah. >> good afternoon supervisors tang, cohen and mar. my name is julius turman and vice president of police commission. as you have seen here as emphasized, commissioneloftus approaches this commission from a very community based voice and as
you can see balanced from the other side is commissioner mazzucco who focuses a lot on the department and how the policies and procedures effect the officer population. together having served as a vice precedent under both of these commissioners i can telt you that it is a equal balance between the two to make sure that the outcomes, the work we do as a commission is both effective, audience driven and accomplishes the goal. there is a lot of work to be done in the police commission. we understand that we are at a critcome time critical time in san francisco and the nations history. we need commissioners like commissioner mazzucco who understand the officer
perspective from being raised in a house of officer to be a prosecutor and working with police officers. commissioner mazzucco is a thoughtful, hard working person who gives so much attention to this commission. we would be a total loss without hisgoidance and urge you to reappoint him. >> thank you very much. >> petra dejesus is on the police commission. i know tippy from when i was a public defender he a honorable man, fair and smart and i whatia need to understand is police officers have a high rate of suicide and alcoholism and the first responders on the street see a lot of misery and in [inaudible] people don't understand that and commissioner mazzucco is a champion taking caref the officers mental health. the mental health is
what makes them get in trouble. i think you need to understand that. he is a prosecutor comes across as a prosecutor and stern and disciplined and compassionate. that is something you don't see and i see that. when we go to the community meetings we sit there stone faced but he is compassionate and takes it in and listens. i disagree with him many times but we are respectful on the commission and list toon each other and sometimes i move and he moves and sometimes agree to disagree. as president the commission when we brought george gas gone in a out sider that was huge and there was a lot of discussion and threats not to do that. the poa want happy but we did it and brought him in and
commissioner mazzucco was part of it. he doesn't get intimidated and has a heart and compassion for both sides and need to lookthality other sides for officer safety and care and mental health and they are treated well and can make it on the streets. i am here to support him as bell. well. >> thank you commissioner. >> one more time. you know, i talked about suzy having great leadership and same thing with tom. he was the president for 3 years before suzy. [inaudible] president sparks was great. i think i did okay, but to tippy and now suzy. the commission is like a family and your family you have disagreements and so on so it sft so much disaguments but we get
together and you really get to know somebody really closely when you work as a team and work out all the issues that come before the commission and especially disciplinary proceedings. i don't think it is inaccurate you see commissioners supporting the two of them because we rin the room together and know each other and know how we agree and disgrie and work things out and where fr the betterment of the citizens of san francisco and i have been with tom for 8 years and reducing the back log was huge. cant say enough about his guidance through that process and all the stuff we do on the disciplinary process and bouncing ideas back and forth. there is a san francisco is a huge place with a lot of different personalities and people and they all come together on that commission and produce a great body of
work. i said the family and we are a team and you heard about the warriors and say the warriors have a bench of different folks that come together and win and we have to keep the team together. suzy and tom-let's make it happen. >> thank you commissioner and welcome back president loftus >> [inaudible] >> thank you. again i just want to offer something about tippy mazzucco that he won't say about himself, she brilliant lawyer and so i said that about julius therman. we get the benefit of lawyers people pay unimaginable amounts. i don't know how much they make but it is a lot. when we talk about due process auch times
tippy is the person to call and what is the right thing to do. we rely on the city attorney and have not people [inaudible] to make sure we do things right so when we exercise discipline it sticks so it is a huge offering he is making to the sate to attorney to serve and ask you support him. >> thank you very much. >> good afternoon supervisor tang supervisor cohen and supervisor mar. richard c baker and one 11 assisted minters at the third baptist church of san francisco where pastor brown serves as the senior pastor. i have known tippy mu zukeee since 15 or 16 years old, played footple ball at sacred heart. at that time it was sacred high school and have the distinction
of law longer than you tippy. but i'm here because tippy is not only a friend but he a individual who i admire as a community serve chblt tippy at the ability and knowledge and skill tooz ask the right questions. perhaps it isn't his skill and ability to ask the right initial question but has the ability to ask the right follow up question squz analyze the responses that are given. and his service on the police commission has been exemplary. i have been a way for a period of time but because of our network at sacred heart high school i know within days when tippy was elected president of the san francisco police commission. also want to say that his parents named him
right. they named him after saint thomas and if you all recall saint thomas was a disciple who raised questions upon jesus resurrection and prior to asession. i believe you are jesus if i have to opportunity to analyze your hands and to observe the piecing in your side. >> sorry, i have to give the same amount of time. >> i'm wrapping up. tippy asked the right questions in order to make our department better and i don't always agree with tippys perspective how the department is being reformed. my perspective and communications with him i encourage him to go beyond reform and
enter into the realm of restructuring or police department. to be most responsive to the people who it comes into contact most. and for my viewing have lived in the heart of city in district 10 on oakdale avenue near the intersection with fellp street i saw the african american community comes into contact with the lease often. that isn't only a standpoint of the communitybying arrested or having violated the law but perspective of victims and we need someone like tippy who understands the [inaudible] with respect to what a police officer experiences but most importantly what the people of san francisco experience when they come into contact with the police. >> thank you for your time and
have a plent day. plesant day. >> next speaker, please >> good afternoon supervisors. miriam zukeo thomson and the are 3 of us, frank mazzucco, tip mu azzucco. if you imagine there was a time when my father who is a san francisco police officer and parole man raised 3 children on a parole mans slry. i'm here to provide a different perspective on my brother. i am here to bring perspective of a person i know differently than you know. nothing ever ever has come easy for my brother, he has been the hardest
working of all of us. that includes academics and sport, playing football, being a walk on at the football team at cal. nothing came simple or easy and nothing was handed to him. he is a fighter and hard working person and that is why he is who he is today and so well respected. i think the truest measure of my brother is what a man does when else is looking. my brother is a person who buys two lunches one for himself and fwrun someone in need. he adopts families [inaudible] doesn't talk about it. he is the person who knes i'm a single woman raising 2 children by myself. when he realized my son needed to lourn how to shave he pulled him aside and had the talk with
my son. the measure of a moon is what he does when he is asked to do it but when he is called to do it. i hope you will [inaudible] >> thank you very much. next speaker, please. >> god afternoon supervisors. rachel killshah. i have known commissioner mazzucco for over 20 years. i met commissioner mazzucco assigned to the san francisco police department inspector bureau and commissioner mazzucco was assistant district attorney and most recently i work with commissioner mazzucco with my role as a police commission secretary. i know commissioner mazzucco or children went to school, his two children and our one son. i know commissioner mu
zekeo to be professional, hard working, fair and open minded. takes the role a as police commissioner seriously with desire to keep san francisco and people who live and visit here safe. i too like commissioner mazzucco am a nativ and one the few police officers who continue to live here. i appreciate the work he does not only on behalf of my role as a police officer but also as a native and resident of the city. i want to acknowledge that commissioner mazzucco long standing commitment to this commission, 8 years of dedication to serving the people of the city and urge you to continue that continuity with him on the commission to accomplish some of the great things the commission is working on.
thank you. >> thank you very much. next speaker, please. >> good afternoon. john monroe. i told you i was commissioner secretary for 3 years and was the commissioner secretary when commissioner mazzucco was present to commissioner loftus which was seemless. what i want to talk about is what mu zekeo talked about with commissioner mar about police officers being from here. thursday morning at a commission meeting commissioner mu zusko called me and askehow do we hire more african american police officers and said is that rhetorical. no. but we fumbleed around that scr both agreed that if they are from here regardless-in a perfect world
we would have every station louded with every ethnic diversity in san francisco that spoke our language but that won't happen but if they are from here you have skin in the game and it matters. there are officers that go to incident that may knehow to make that approach better than officers who don't. i have nuther against wallnut creek but it is a big difference. i also want to say by the way, i went to public school office so i know san francisco and it helped me as a police officer to get ajound to know who i was deal wg because i dealt with everybody. my brother went to galileo and bragged how he can speak mandarin. i was like are you kidding me. where can you
do that? you do that here. commissioner mazzucco is right, we need him because he is the senior voice in the commission. thank you so much. >> thank you very much. >> good afternoon. martin halren president of san francisco police officer association. i too went to sacred heart but think johnny was ahead of me. that is where i like reverend baker met commissioner mazzucco at sacred heart and reappointed myself with him when i became a police officers. back in the days of sacred heart as in the da office and u.s. attorney office, commissioner mazzuccos integrity and honesty was never in question. when i had dealt with him at the police commission the same holds true. commissioner mazzucco
spear headed the early intervention system which raises red flaigs when a officer is in crisis and that program has been very successful. also spear headed the crisis intervention training in the department and is now spear headed both dgo associated with crisis intervention training. there will be a new dgo hopefully by the end of the summer and also regarding social media. commissioner mu azzucco is at the forfront. he demonstrated twho things to me and have now doubt that will hold true. the rule of law demonstrated he is extremely fair in discipline and also firm. there are times to be firm with police officer squz they have to get the message and there are individuals in the department
in the past that shoulden be police officers and that doesn't hold true with our entire department. we cannot paint it with a broad brush. commissioner mazzucco has rin been very fair but firm, please reappoint him to the police commission. >> thank you very much. miriam jackson. matthew [inaudible]iolaunda williams. david elliott lewis, [inaudible] >> i too went to sacred heart with tippy and here to represent my father dr. hermann gieggose who was cofounder of lurosa and san francisco police officer. i'm honor rbd to recommend reappointment of tippy mazzucco to continue the service to city and county of san francisco. as a long
time civil rights advocate i'm impressed with commitment to building strong police community relations especially with communities of color and maintaining a solid balance of trust and confident with all department stakeholders. for me, it is truly a pleasureer and honor to be here. i'm matthew gieggose and native of san francisco. i'm a educator for 26 years and know tippy over 40 years. i am fortunate to work with tippy. he is role model to me and san francisco community and character and ethics are at a high standard of excellence warrant reappoint to the commission. commissioner mew zukeoes true measure as a person is compassion. tippy is a advocate of improveic problems and bring forth police transparence and understanding
the values and priorities and cultures that exist insuch residents. mr. mazzucco is a caring and disciplined individual that suggest continuity, success for the police commission. commissioner mazzucco will continue to bring transparence and good judgment along with his experience and warrants reappointment >> apologize for mispronouncing your last name. next speaker, please. >> hello. paul etbrown. i'm also in sport of commissioner mazzucco being reappointed. i want to say that all the times i have come to the police commission and i look at all them that sit up there and as i tell my story i look at suzy loftus i look at the rest of them too and him being one. like i said he is never shown anything
that he didn't want to listen to my story and came down and acknowledged how i felt. him and his sister. i always bring the names of the perpetrators who murdered my son and i try to ask all of them, they getting out can you tell me something even though they can't diverge information to me but they do give me hope and he gives me hope also. i don't want to see anybody else, i want to continue talk toog the same people i have talked to. i'm scared to talk to anybody else. i want to continue seeing him up there because i know i can talk to him if i need to and know he can come down and consol me if he needed to. i built a relationship and don't want to lose that.
i ask you reappoint him and keep them both there. susan loftus and her mother. i appreciate them both. thank you. >> thank you very much. next speaker, please. >> good afternoon chair tang, supervaseer cohen and mar. jeff [inaudible] legislative aid of mark farrell office. this was a tough one for supervisor farrell. commissioner mu zekeo is a exception and mark is requesting appointment. president loftus supervisor farrell has deep respect commissioner mazzucco. it was clear from the testimony today know there is more work to come. proven
track record as a deputy district and dist rict attorney. commissioner work would city law enforcement to reduce violent crime. commissioner mu zekeo also helped implement the meaningful reforms to the police department including cit training adopting the vast majority of president obama policing and termination ofophorousers that violate duty as police officers. just like commissioner loftus, commissioner mazzucco demonstrated he has compougz and passion and reason to lead the commission through these important and trying times and ask you send [inaudible] positive recommendation. >> thank you. next speaker, please. >> supervisors my name is rg