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commentary today or the 12-13 meeting during the report they could do something a little bit more formal, whatever you would like. >> i think a brief summation now would be good. while it's fresh in everyone's mind. >> call chief williams and assistant deputy chief francisco if needed. >> good morning. deputy chief ramona williams. commissioners, chief, i did attend the vigilant guardian exercise and observed the hazmat portion of the drill. the incident, and the units responding in mitigating the emergency. i was very impressed by their participation, taking the drill serious as well as the other agencies that assisted us in that drill. we had the agency --
>> chief williams, excuse me. could you start at the beginning for those who may be watching and don't know what the vigilant guardian drill was about? just, give those folks some framework. >> of course. assistant deputy chief francisco give us an overview and then i can continue with my role as well as his role. >> thank you. >> welcome, chief. >> assistant deputy chief shane francisco, homeland security division. large scale exercise involving radiological incident in san francisco and the bay area. occurred over a week long, a lot of training leading up to in the months ahead of time. two aspects of radiological terrorism incident. first part of the drill was what
we call left of boom. detecting it, mitigating a radiological threat before it goes off. so, what about is about, dirty bomb, just give you a brief background. dirty bomb, an existing radiation source and use an explosive to spread the existing radiation. it does not create nuclear explosion like nagasaki or hiroshima. this is radiation material and spreading by means of explosive. scenario was, intel was developed that would, that law enforcement had word that a terrorist organization had stolen radiological material, they practiced methods to intradict that stolen material prior to a dirty bomb going off. so they practiced that throughout the bay area in the days leading up to it. our portion as the fire department is the right of boom,
after the explosion has happened. the fire services role in that. so we did a scenario over by station 4 where a car bomb, a dirty bomb went off. we responded to it and we practiced doing an m.c.i., a mass casualty incident, 50 patients, hot zone, detect radiation present, respond to it and rescue the people out, triage them, and transport, the hospitals also did participate in the drill. their portion was to receive contaminated patients and practice decontamination prior to going to the emergency room. so deal with that, m.c.i., identify radiation present and recognize there are hot zones and establish the hot zones for the radiation fields so we can catalogue the responders' safety to the incident.
our people would time out due to lifetime exposure limitations of radiation so they can no longer go into the hot zone. as such, now we need mutual aid to come in. at that point we magically transported this incident to treasure island. at treasure island we have rubbpiled there and buildings to practice this, so mutual aid to do hazmat work there and rescue as well, those mutual aid companies practice going into the hot zone. they also timed out due to the lifetime radiation, they can no longer go in because of a lifetime dose of radiation. who comes in next? we practiced mutual aid from the national guard and from the california task force. three out of menlo park, and out of oakland, urban search and rescue. simulated collapsed buildings,
they conducted rescues throughout the training facilities. so very large scale, involved many agencies from the federal side, department of energy, domestic nuclear detention office, f.b.i., law enforcement, fire, multiple fire departments from and the county and the region, and national guard as well. one of the components that came from the national guard was a medical component. so the 95th civil support team out of hayward, a w.m.d. for the national guard, a great partner with the fire service in the bay area the last 20, 30 years, medical component, and augment a medical suite with 550 people. basically come in, and in an hour a tent set up and receiving patients. e.r. doctors. even in the event of a disaster, say an earthquake. we learned lots there. lots of players coming in. we practiced mutual aid system
from local level going all the way up to the state and federal level to come in and deal with a radiological incident if it were to happen here in the san francisco bay area. >> thank you very much. chief, did you want to add something? ok, did you want to add something, chief williams? >> i just want to acknowledge that assistant deputy chief's hard work in the planning and preplanning, a lot of agencies participated and i was able to observe the suppression portion of this and he was able to observe the military portion over on treasure island training facility, and from d.m. involvement, sheriff, police, as he mentioned, f.b.i., alameda county, we had the helicopter land. it was very impressive, and as i said, everyone took the drill very seriously, participated as
if it was a real actual incident and i just want to commend the assistant chief on the scene as the incident commander, she took control and mitigated the incident very well and i was really impressed with all of our participants, both local and regional and national level. >> commissioner covington: i want to thank you very much for that summation, i was not able to attend any part of the vigilant guardian exercise because i was in boise, idaho, but i did read, you know, the scenario, the name of the group, you know, the progress over the three days i think it was, and i have some questions that i can pose to you offline. but the amount of preparation that just went into that particular document was quite impressive, and you know, just
setting up the scenario as well as pointing out all of the reasons san francisco is a key target for terrorists, home grown and foreign-born both. so, i really want to thank everyone for participating at such a high level and as you said, repeatedly, chief williams, you know, for taking the drill so seriously. and also -- [laughter] is this an annual event, is it going to be every other year, or how often? >> right now, this is the first time we have done this exercise on this scale. i see either parts of it being exercised annually or becoming
an annual thing. so it's right now unknown. >> commissioner covington: well, again, my hat's off to everyone for participating he's who did the preplanning. because planning is so very important, the execution goes smoothly, and -- and -- folks, hey, folks. ok. thank you. >> president cleaveland: thank you, commissioner covington. this was an important discussion and thank you for broadening it and getting more information on the table. >> commissioner covington: i'm sorry. >> i want to acknowledge the volunteers, as chief francisco mentioned, over 50 volunteers scenario with the overturned bus and automobiles and like i said, they put a lot of work into this. >> this was a big deal for sure.
chief francisco, and i think vice president nakajo has additional question. for chief gonzales. >> i want to thank, i forgot to thank for procuring and the equipment and the apparatus, all of you commissioners for helping, and a joint effort. thank you. >> president cleaveland: all right. additional questions. go ahead. >> thank you, mr. president. before you conclude, i just want to ask a question on your first page operation report last paragraph there's a reference communicated command talks about the union pulling ceilings and sounded like there was some clarification in that. do you want to comment on that for clarification for the commission? >> the rapid intervention crew as you know, on the fire ground,
usually stationed or positioned near the command post for use for rescue of our members in trouble inside the building or sometimes used for exterior operations. somehow this crew got inside, was pulling ceilings. the commander recognized that so she pulled them out, and let fire attack know we had other companies out here for the second alarm that she can use. >> that point was clarified. >> yes. >> thank you very much, thank you, mr. president. >> president cleaveland: thank you. i had one question for chief francisco if you don't mind. how many firefighters do we have that are booked to respond as hazmat people? >> about 200 firefighters in our department hazmat specialized trained. >> hazardous material spills or whatever. i know probably other city departments that have personnel trained for hazmat response as well, or -- we are the key or the major department. >> that's correct.
>> hazmat situations, right? >> we have about 200 members trained to the hazmat specialist level, 242 hours of hazmat training. our dedicated unit, engine 36, has hazmat one. they have six people there, so four on the engine company. battalion 2 chief and aid are also trained to the same level. upon any hazmat incident here in san francisco, the hazmat team can respond along with our city partner, department of public health and emergency responders, industrial hygienist there, they respond as well, and they perform the function of technical reference for us. also the county authority on hazmat. so, they can make the call if we are going to close this building or so forth, or transport a small amount of hazmat, they are licensed to do that. so we respond together with them. if it's a more major hazmat incident, we can call both rescue squads and they can augment the entry team and so forth. >> very good. thank you very much for that
clarification. vice president -- i should say deputy chief gonzales, continue your report. and i think commissioner covington had a few additional questions. >> commissioner covington: yes, very quickly, thank you, mr. president. i had a question regarding the ambulance deployment facility. there is a mention that the budget discussions are ongoing and i was wondering if perhaps you or mr. coreso would be able to tell us when the budget would be locked down. >> it's -- i can comment on it but i would say assigned to this task is deputy director coreso, as well as assistant deputy chief zanoff, and i believe attended a meeting yesterday. can you give an update? >> welcome. >> good morning, we had a meeting yesterday, we meet every
other week with the design team, d.p.w. when we had our discussion yesterday the plans are going to go to permitting, to the permitting process in december of this year. so the budget is pretty well looked down on the designs almost complete to the point we can submit them for permitting. so we are looking, hopefully, like i said, d.p.w. assures me we are absolutely on track and on our time schedule for the development of the plans and for submission for the permitting process. >> and what is the budget? >> it's in the, between 20 and 30 million. >> it's more than that, huh? >> mr. coreso. >> how much is it exactly? >> good morning, mark coreso.
the 20 to 30 million that the chief mentioned is just for the construction portion of it. i believe the total budget is 45 million for the entire -- encompasses the entire project. >> okay. so, that is the lock down budget currently. is it going to increase, do you think, from 45 million? you know, in fairness to you, why don't we discuss this perhaps at the next meeting. ok? and that way you'll have -- yes, ok. because i understand you just had the meeting yesterday, so -- all right. thank you. i think that will be better. those are all the questions i have right now. thank you. >> president cleaveland: ok. thank you, commissioner
covington. just had a couple of questions chief gonzales. i know that apparently there was an adult female got stuck in a bunker and she, after she managed to squeeze into it and the crews had to cut out the cement wall to rescue her? she was not injured, but did we bill for that service? >> no, we don't. >> we don't bill for that service. we don't bill for stupidity, and hopefully don't get build for damaging the bunker. >> just bog gles your mind sometime. on october 19th, a fully clothed male vanished into the surf and presumed d.o.a. question mark, did the body, was the body ever found? >> when we report the report, no, but i can get an update from lieutenant baxter. sometimes they do, they are
found later. sometimes not. >> right. i know that you had a fire on an molimo drive, and one person died in that. do we know what the cause was of the fire? >> let me see, does it say here anything? i -- i can say it was -- >> i responded. >> accidental, but it's -- fire marshal or the chief who went to the fire. >> cause and origin, defer to the fire marshal, i did respond to the fire and an adult male found by our crews at the front door that -- >> from smoke inhalation probably, right? >> burns and smoke inhalation. i would speculate, yeah. >> don't know what the cause of the fire was? >> fire marshal on the spot here. >> welcome. >> good morning, commissioners, chief. the fire is currently under investigation at this time. it has been determined to be accidental. we have a pretty good idea but
at this time it's probably not appropriate to go into any kind of detail. >> can't talk whether it started in the kitchen, smoking or cigarette. >> looked like it started t he rear, the outside of the structure. >> ok. >> smoke alarms, any idea whether or not? >> i don't have that information in front of me. >> two-thirds, every month or so you hear that, excuse me, can i -- >> commissioner hardeman: yes, just like every month or so now it's like 65%, 67% you hear this over and over again about the news trying to make the public aware of how no smoke alarm or no battery in a smoke alarm and two-thirds of all the deaths are caused, and so -- bears repeating year after year, it's amazing when they are so available now. and the ten-year battery life on
all the new ones that are sold, presumably, people keep dying, speculation on this may be that smoke alarm was not working accurately. >> well, i can't go into detail. i would not make that assumption at this point. i can't go into detail but would agree with you about the importance of smoke alarms. probably the single greatest thing, an individual in their home could do, to have them installed and maintain them. >> commissioner hardeman: sorry for the interruption. >> president cleaveland: a couple of questions probably for chief zanoff. i know that you have, you have to maintain the ambulances and whatnot, and maybe it's another chief has to answer it, what are the biggest issues with keeping the ambulances working and running? what are the biggest issues? >> the repairs needed to the
boxes and the frames that are cracking because of the way that the vehicles torque when they go up and down the hills. that's the biggest thing. it can be up to a month for them to weld all the frames and everything because it needs to go to a manufacturer to do it. other than that, it's general mechanical issues, you know, the vehicles are on the streets almost 24 hours a day, seven days a week, they just get run down. >> so -- because the ambulances are very high? >> it's more the frame and the cab and then the box is mounted on the back. and they actually move relative to each other when the vehicle makes these turns on steep hills, the box leans one way and the frame and the cab the other way, so -- >> stress there. >> a lot of stress, yes. and like chief rivera reports, we build the engines for the
hills in san francisco, try to do the same thing for the ambulances, but stressors on them. >> no way we can design it do not have the push and pull. >> chief, would either of you want to comment on the pilot program for the newer style? >> yes. one of the things we are looking at right now, instead of a vehicle in two pieces, we are getting single body vehicles, sprinter model, single body vehicle on a single body frame that should not suffer the same stressors as a two-piece apparatus would. >> good, good news. >> two of them as a pilot project. should be delivered hopefully by the end of the year or early into next year, and then where he will use them on the streets with crews, and give us evaluations and evaluate how they work. >> president cleaveland: thank you, that's very good news. i was wondering about that. and just one other question for
you, dealing with the high frequency callers that call our system, our 911 system, more than four times a month. how many do you estimate we have in the city that call 911 more than four times a month? >> i'll ask dr. yay to come up. >> in his head -- >> good morning. medical director for the department. so, the question you are asking about the number of high frequency users, sort of depends on what level you are asking. number of people who activate 911 services more than four times is quite high. we, but if you are referring more to the e.m.s. six program, we actually focus on kind of a smaller subset of people that our transport units encounter
and we identify as needing additional services. there are a lot of reasons people may need to contact 911 and have e.m.s. service unrelated to being what you might think of as high frequency users. that is a person who has just been discharged from the hospital, who may have some chronic medical illness, maybe just there for pneumonia, congestive heart failure, they may have a lot of contacts with the medical system. e.m.s.6 is more dedicated to people who have complex psycho social needs. >> chronic issues. >> longer term chronic issues. but we have in the last month, excuse me, in september, we had about 84 unique individuals, e.m.s.six was working with sort of on, you know, targeted basis, if you will. but that's a very, very small portion of the overall number of people who are activating or requesting services more than four times a month.
>> president cleaveland: what's the average? what's the average every month of people in the city calling 911 four times or more. average number. >> i don't think i could answer that with a lot of reliability. if you mean calling 911, we don't have a lot of individual data on people who are calling specifically, but i would say that people who, you know, we transport, you know, more than four times a month, i think that -- >> president cleaveland: track it by addresses, generally speaking. >> that's correct. but as you can imagine -- >> president cleaveland: easy to pull up from a computer and run that. >> more than one person or patient that live at the same address. address that we get dispatched to, it could be somebody either in front of that address and appears in the cad as the address or it could be one family member, another family member, a visitor, a guest. going just by an address is not
a very active rendition of the data. >> that's correct. and as chief was mentioning, we have people we know very well we respond to multiple sites. might be in one location one day, another location another, and still -- >> president cleaveland: that's the population we are trying to work with. reduce those numbers of calls, that's putting our people again at risk, it's costing the city every time we send a response out. >> a broader answer to your question, president cleaveland, i think, is i was at a conference with captain simon ping and paula chu, high users and multiple, e.m.s. service, true of all the services, that people in that, about top 4 to 5% utilize 40 to 50% of the services. so acknowledgment across the
board there is a complex very small number of people that we do spend a lot of time and who need a lot of care. i hope that answers your question. i don't think i can give you specific numbers. >> president cleaveland: we will continue to look at that e.m.s.6 program. i think we should expand the funding on that if we can, and certainly this coming budget year, look at an expanding that. because that is a huge drain on our department, and it's something that we can address and should address. and so we should pump that up. thank you very much, doctor. thank you chief. and commissioner covington had an additional question. >> commissioner covington: what a surprise. thank you. i had a question regarding the two pieces for the ambulance.
can you -- >> i can answer some questions. >> commissioner covington: ok. i thought the reason we went to the two separate pieces was because it would be easier to repair. >> they did do that to take the box off and put another on the frame, i get that. but then it came up we can get lower profile one-piece ambulances that not only are, i would say safer for our members, i would say they are more comfortable for our members, i would say they, obviously more streamlined, less accidents. so, this pilot program is something we would like to go forward on. that was the plan but now we are going to go this route, i think is a far better route. so that was the plan and we'll still have those. not able to replace them all at once, still have ambulances with boxes and on frames, and if we can make improvements to them we will. i believe it was to a certain model of them as well, more so
than others, so not all of them that experienced this. but again, i think where we are going with the pilot program is the way forward. >> commissioner covington: all right. did we experience any cost savings from having the box? as explained to me at the time, it was that the two pieces did not experience wear and tear at the same frequency. so, it would be easier to repair them if they were two separate pieces. now going back to the one-piece. >> we never had the one-piece. always a box on a frame. but i can have assistant deputy chief rivera come up with specific questions regarding which model had the most problems, compared to others, but that's of the two pieces. >> commissioner covington: no, i wouldn't know one model from the other, so -- i have to admit that. ok.
well, thank you. >> president cleaveland: thank you, commissioner covington. commissioner hardeman. >> commissioner hardeman: yes, while we were on that emergency 911, i don't know who would be the one to answer this question, but they showed the state recommended time frame for answering 911 calls and one of the stations was busy criticizing san francisco, but oakland, three major cities don't meet the state response time. >> that's answering the calls at the 911 center. >> commissioner hardeman: like 88% or whatever that number was. but listening to the reasons, like just stated with the false calls, which are -- if you just
eliminated those, that would probably throw all the, just sit on the phone or dial it accidentally, those are eliminated, probably all three big cities would be meeting their target or close to it on this, that one item, so they don't answer within ten seconds or 12 seconds they consider not answering it, answering emergency call in time. that was very interesting how this station went after the 911, which it does have flaws, i took a tour out there, you discover what's happening. one of the big problems, though, is they talk about training when we do train people, then they get trained here and then they leave immediately for a higher paying job elsewhere in the bay area. so, that's something that should, i don't know how that could be corrected, so we get a dispatcher trained, next thing we know, they go to san jose, they pay like 10, 15% more.
so, that's a big problem for san francisco also, so, anyway, i thought it was sort of an unfair evaluation of our 911 system, even though it does have some problems, i don't know if any of you saw it. >> d.c., a good job, it's a very stressful job. i did it for a while as a lieutenant, did some of the dispatching, supervising, answering calls. like any other city department they have budgetary challenges, they need staffing, they need trained people. it's a stressful job so you do have people that do leave. we work hard with them. like any other thing, there can be improvements. one of the things we would like is a dedicated fire dispatch and we would like to work on that, but overall, they do a very hard job, it's very challenging and we are happy with what they do.
>> commissioner hardeman: thank you, wanted to throw that out as something i did notice watching. >> president cleaveland: thank you, chief gonzales, appreciate the report, it's comprehensive and encourages us to ask lots of questions and thank you, though. for putting it together. >> commissioner hardeman: i hate to do this, i have something else now. not for you chief gonzales, but under the report. i want to comment on chief ali from, where is she, from the airport, looking at your report, which is very well done, you continue the pattern of giving a very good report on what your last month work duties, and you are quite busy, just wondering if you thought you would be quite this busy. do you have a response for that, or -- >> i didn't anticipate all the meetings.
>> commissioner hardeman: that's what i was thinking. enormous amount of meetings you went to. >> yes, sir. >> commissioner hardeman: ok. well, thank you. hope that you get used to that, and very happy to see you continuing the tradition of doing your job and staying busy. thank you. >> thank you, commissioner. good morning. >> president cleaveland: thank you. madam secretary, the next item. >> item six, commission report, report on commission activities since last meeting of october 26, 2017. >> president cleaveland: public comment, seeing none, closed. commissioner hardeman, ok, vice president nakajo. >> vice president nakajo: i'm going to talk about three items at this report from the commissioners, i'm going to talk about the dive exercise held on october 31st and november 2nd, i'm going to talk about our visit with the mayor, the
president and myself last monday, and president will chime in with remarks from that meeting and i will talk on the strategy development plan issued to us today. chief, officers, i did observe through the memo of the dive drill on october 31st at 9:00 at aquatic park at the end of jefferson street, which also occurred on november 2nd. being member of the fire commission for 23 plus years, you get exposed to various areas of the department. what happens, though, in the 23 years, the department is so big in terms of our response, whether it's fire or safety or accidents or prevention, the definition of what we do in public service is huge. part of that is we know we have a rescue squad, rescue 1 or 2 squad and know it's through the years where they are located in
terms of our growing city. particularly for myself, i have a keen interest in education in our dive team and the last couple of months, and with this opportunity of attending as a -- i responded to the drill. definitions that i've heard, i've been exposed to again, if it's academic or if it's through some narration on who is the principal diver, the 90% diver, who is the tender one, who is the tender two, where is the communication line, and what is protocol in terms of the dive are all things that i was curious about to see in live action and i did see that, and i was very pleased to be able to see the drills conducted on the 31st, i believe, it was rescue one that was part of that drill.
on november 2nd, rescue two, or maybe i have it reversed. basically able to see the live members of those dive teams in practice. from that observation, all the way from a briefing of what the exercise is supposed to entail, and a briefing in terms of what everybody's role is in terms of understanding the proper amount of members that should be at a dive drill, i came away with a lot of reinforced education. part of that, too, is i came away with communication with the members. in our discussion we talk about our equipment trucks, engines, ambulances that we need to have, obviously we need personnel, trained personnel to be able to conduct themselves in the logistical manner within that. so for myself, i took a little inventory list, if you will, chief hayes-white, in terms of i served as what the media needs or need, and basically came up with a list, and again, i can go
over in detail with chief gonzales or yourself, but observed the need of "dry suits" and boots attached to that. some of the members of the rescue team did not have their own, i'm going to say design customized dry suit. there was a large member of the crew that was trying to squeeze into a dry suit not for his size, every facet they are wearing is important.
in terms of coordination, saw a very worn out communication box that was there as well. in that list, again, terms that you can see an extra face mask, but in detail in conversation, we'll talk about what the needs are. one drill was attended and coordinated, i believe, on november 2nd, by adam wood. the drill on the 31st was attended and supervised by john fernandez, and both in their dialogue, i'm sure that we are able to get more description in terms of specifically identification that is needed, there was a term called lift bags as well. the biggest thing i saw was importance as i looked at the tanks and the maintenance of the tanks, apparently we don't have a maintenance contract at this time. i think we have a vendor that we have used previously, in terms of ongoing maintenance, i'm not sure, i did not hear a
confirmation that we have a working maintenance contract and i think that that would be a crucial or essential piece. basically what it did, the definition of rescue, not only the rescue squads as commission is very often exposed to rescues on the hills and the cliffs, exposed to rescues of somebody in a tunnel at the former different areas of san francisco, so the definitions are broad and even in terms of drones. what i've learned the department has a practice that they have training is essential within that, and there's a protocol how we have done things. i'm going to end this report by saying i did not know that it was a police substation at the end of jefferson street at aquatic park. one of the members participating walked me over there and we did an abrupt visit and i was flabbergasted to put it mildly in terms of what they have
there. their equipment, their storage, their dry suits, their wet suits, their sonar discovery, which moved me to the relationship of the fire department and what we do public service as well as the police department and there are some areas that we are closely coordinated so in terms of our response from communication of a rescue, there needs to be some clarification and education for the commissioners as to who goes where, who goes when, and approximately how that is. if there was someone asking, christmas time with the christmas list, and i said let me know what the inventory looks like and extra anchor as well. i'll have a conversation with you chief hayes-white, and chief gonzales, i wanted to report in terms of the dive drill at this time. i'm going to move on. >> move on. >> move on to the mayor's meeting, which we had last
monday. particularly we talked about three areas. we talked about the training facility at t.i., treasure island. talked about a shelter for the antique rigs. we talked about, with the discussion and the dive drill, marine unit that came through a discussion with the commissioners in some ways. i just want to start off that the president and myself thanked this mayor, very much for his support to the department. when you have an opportunity face-to-face to thank the mayor for support you do that. not only is it personnel every two years and through the good work of our finance director we have had some occasions of three classes in the last five years, but two classes a year with the rate and equation of retirement is a very important factor for the mayor to give us the support, particularly in trucks and engines and ambulance, because our list and our maintenance never goes away. it only builds with the
justification. so we put that very clearly. we wanted to get his feel and opinion in terms of certain subject matters very important. number one in our priority list, i'm just talking for myself, commissioners, with some conversation with the president, how important the training facility is. we know that t.i. is coming to an end at some point. we are fortunate t.i. development, where the training facility is, is the last part of the development. we have some time, but it became crucial and essential as we asked if there was any consideration at all about us remaining there, mr. president, i'm going to voice my opinion what i read basically, the conversation coming back to us, that you had the understanding that it was for a period of time. we understood that, but it's going to come to conclusion at some point. bottom line was where else in san francisco can we have a
facility and pretty much i think the marching orders in is the last two years of importance and urgency was we better take it upon ourselves as a department and find ourselves, investigate, research another site in the city that we can do. i know we have a coordination between ourselves and the administration, and to start our identification of another training site, because basically the discussion and all the discussion is financed, who is going to pay for it, where are we going to get the money for that, and something like a training facility is a big ticket item. so, basically for us, it's a strategy to develop whether it's a stand alone bond that i don't know if we can do, just as common, or another bond that we might be able to collaborate with. question do know the seawall bond is coming. we also in the department need to look at what's our immediate
need in terms of priority in which there are many, and it became very clear that a training facility is a very important facility. we should find a site, try to crunch numbers in terms of what it's going to cost us to have this training facility that we wished to have. therefore, we can't talk about those numbers in reality or even close to it. i'm going to move on. we talked about the importance of the antique rigs, guardians of the city. we talked about this in terms of the commission. it became pretty apparently clear, mr. president, interpretation of how we are going to be able to take care of something like a shelter for the antique rigs/museum is to enforce or work with guardians of the city. take it upon a private kind of a citizenry fundraising concept. we are fortunate to have the rigs through the chief and the department, olivia, temporarily at t.i., with a shelter to be
built over the rigs for a period of time. but it seemed that in terms of the budget or the mayor's office it's not that it's not important, but in terms of the priorities that we went into the room, that priority needs to be developed within the entity what we can come up with. perhaps the commission or commissioner can lead that charge. what's good about guardians of the city, encompasses the police department as well as the sheriff's office. so basically, i wanted to report on that particular area. we talked about a marine unit at some piece in point, i know the concept, i know budget director we submitted some costs to a marine unit. we might want to revisit that again. chief hayes-white if we are talking about a budget preparation, at this time going into the holidays, almost no time left for preparation but perhaps identification of priorities. so for us the concept might be
that we can submit or dialogue on the importance of that but again in my mind, if we can supplement the rescue squads, supplement them with equipment, perhaps do some with the strategic development plan, look at the development of the city, if there's a rescue squad 1 and 2 perhaps we may want to look at a rescue squad on the other side of the city, on a very cost saving kind of manner so we can maintain rescue one, rescue two, to our parameters. i know the station 5 will have some completion, reassignments, these are the kinds of things that we are coming out of our discussion. so, the marine unit is something i think is important, but i'm not quite sure at this time, commissioners, the high priority of that chief hayes-white. i think we should put some numbers behind that. other than that, i would be interested in terms of what it cost on some projection on the
rescue squad if it's developed on the other side of the city with some logistical justifications on usage as our city grows. that's what the report is at this particular time. thank you very much, commissioners. >> president cleaveland: thank you, vice president nakajo, excellent summary certainly of our meeting with the mayor, and certainly i concur with his directive was really the top priority is to find a location for our training facility, new location, and if we are going to even think about being on the seawall bond, we are going to have to get a location identified and locked down. probably within the next 30, 45 days. so, we are going to have to move fast if we are going to find a location that is suitable that we can purchase or in some way get, those funds, we have to identify the location before we can put that monetary request, if you will, into the bond, the
seawall bond that will go to the voters next year. so, this is a very important thing for us to work on a.s.a.p., as they say. and i concur with vice president nakajo, the need to pump up, so to speak, our marine unit, absolutely, and to build upon what we have and to augment them as much as possible in the next budgetary cycle. it's very important. we also did talk with the mayor on the awss system in the city, a long-term issue, obviously, that we need to address, and we have adequate means of protecting all parts of our city from fires. post earthquake. but we can always make a better system. but it is a system that's going to cost upwards, you know, billions of dollars probably, certainly hundreds of millions, and it's one of the things that has to have a stand-alone bond
perhaps and something that everyone within our city will have to get behind. it's going to be something down the road that we have to work on, if we really truly want to expand the awss system in the city. i concur with our vice president on the antique fire engines, you know. it is -- we have a treasure of antique vehicles and apparatus we want available for posterity and want to take care of. but the mayor's thought is it really is something the private sector needs to step up and help and that we have this organization called the guardians of the city, let's have those guardians of the city be the prime mover here in locating a permanent location. we are going to take care of protecting the vehicles and the engines and the apparatus for the next several years, on a temporary basis on treasure island, as long as we have the training facility there.
we'll have space for our antique fire collection. but it's not the optimum place and it's not a place that's available for the public to come and see and enjoy and view. so ultimately, we are going to have to have the private sector step up through the guardians of the city to create a permanent museum. either for our collection of fire and police vehicles or larger scale to create a city of san francisco museum which we should have. we are a city that has a proud history, and we should have our own city museum and have fire department and the police department and the health department, and every other, parks and rec, every other department in the city that's contributed to our history be a part of that museum. that's down the road and has to be a private sector endeavor. so thank you, vice president nakajo, for your report. and madam secretary, would you call the next item.
did you have -- certainly, chief hayes-white, a comment at the end here. >> chief hayes-white: thank you, president cleaveland. i wanted to echo your sentiment on some of the most important projects we are looking for in our future. i did want to appreciate vice president nakajo, i know you came back from an overseas trip and very impressive, the next day you attended the dive drill and not just one, but both and i know president cleaveland, you were there as well. a couple comments about the dive drill and equipment, the point taken and i'm happy to sit down with you as well as deputy chief of operations regarding some of the equipment, just to remind you we do have work groups and committees and we do task the chair of the committees to submit their needs. i'm not, i don't know exactly if they have recently but certainly during the budget season, this is good timing, and similarly, the deputy chief of operations
typically will reach out through his division chiefs to come up with, we don't want to call it a wish list, but items that we need. we can't always fund them, but we try and have participatory budget discussions and so we want to make sure we are getting it right and to the extent we can, we get, from the work groups and the committee chair people, what they need, but certainly sit down and go over some of your observations from the drill and related to funding. and i believe we may have 1 or 2 members on the budget committee that also serve on the water rescue committee and as you know, they have presented before you, i think what we do as we move forward, want to see from the aquatics and rescue committee, the water rescue committee i should say is a plan, i believe a plan had been submitted but one of the two of you talked about prioritizing the needs based on fiscal constraints, but certainly to keep it on the radar if it's not
in the next fiscal year, that it's down the line at some point. and want to comment on the antique apparatus. i know today we have captain michael cochrane in the audience, division training chief was excused for a funeral, and i want to acknowledge captain cochrane for assisting us in locating and sharing with us the area, giving us access to basically, they are busy with in-service training but we hosted some members from d.p.w. that will help us have this place, this location which i think is a medium interim solutions. apparatus has not been relocated just yet, but something we hope to do, if not by the end of the month, certainly by the end of the year to get them out of where they are, academy of art great partners with us, to move them over to the treasure island training facility and work with d.p.w. to have them sheltered from the weather.
>> president cleaveland: thank you, chief. vice president nakajo additional comment. >> vice president nakajo: two, and yield to the commissioners. thank you very much, chief, for making it clear. it was the intention in working with the work group, because you formulated the budget committee and it's appropriate in that and i want to be consistent, to the commissioners, the plan again hope all of us digest it, because we participated in it, but at some point i think we will be able to comment on this content as well. thank you, chief. >> president cleaveland: thank you, vice president. commissioner covington. >> commissioner covington: thank you, mr. president. and thank you for the report, commissioner nakajo. quite comprehensive, and i am happy that the president and the vice president met with the mayor regarding these pressing issues. we have a lot of work to do.
we have to be agile and we have to be strategic. everything that you've discussed really goes back to one of my key pushes for the department and for the commission and that is we more than ever, and we have always needed it, but more than ever it's imperative that we have grant writers on our staff. all of these things you are pointing to are not going to come out of the general fund. they just absolutely are not. the police department i attended an event saturday night and i happened to be seated next to one of the people who was a grant writer for the police department. and so i asked, how many grant writers does the police
department have? this is, oh, we have a grant unit and three people, sometimes four. we have people who are doing what they already have in their packed portfolios in the department and they are doing grant writing as well. i don't think that this is the sustainable situation. we have got to in the next budget have grant writers. you've heard me say it before, i've said it again, but it really has to happen. otherwise all of those things you talked about, dedicated marine unit, place for the antique apparatus, the treasure island facility, being replaced, all of those things are going to need money that comes from elsewhere as well as from the general fund. >> president cleaveland: point well taken, commissioner covington. we have needed a grant writer for many years and hopefully we
can talk about that as a priority in the next budget cycle or borrow one of the police department's grant writers. >> commissioner covington: chief scott likes us but not that much. >> president cleaveland: call the next item. >> item seven, fire commission meeting calendar 2018, discussion and possible action to adopt the 2018 fire commission meeting calendar. >> president cleaveland: public comment? seeing none, public comment is closed. we have the calendar that has been exhibited, and do we have any questions? commissioner covington, please. >> commissioner covington: thank you. thank you, mr. president. i move we adopt the calendar for 2018 as submitted. >> second. >> president cleaveland: all in favor?
all right, commission calendar is adopted. >> item eight, agenda for next fire commission meeting on december 13th. we have the industrial hygienist for the department, anthony boone. i believe mike dayton is going to come in and talk about the early warning system. director coreso is going to present a budget overview and process. and possibly drone. >> president cleaveland: and possibly chief francisco will be talking about our drone policy. put it out there. just to put it on the agenda. anything else? commissioners.
thank you. madam secretary, the next item. >> was there public comment n did you call public comment? >> president cleaveland: public comment on future items? seeing none, public comment is closed. >> item nine, correspondence to commission. email from richard l. gulson. >> president cleaveland: public comment on this letter? seeing none, public comment is closed. you have a comment? >> correspondence from our chief, getting us the strategic plan. very well done. congratulations on putting together your staff, a nice -- to highlight a little. so, this is not copyrighted, this is, anyone could make
copies and distribute such as a copy was made available, someone to distribute among the audience here at some point, if they took it upon themselves, not that the department is going to distribute them, but so there is no special reason why this can't be copied by anybody, right? >> correct. that is an advance copy, it has not been issued yet to the field. issued via a general order, where there will also be a section if members wanted to provide feedback and then we will be following up with some of the subcommittees on the strategic plan. that is in a binder, but we have had some, it's difficult to, you are getting something for free, which we are, getting for free, the publication, subject to delays. a little frustrating but we are getting it done pro