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today. there are several commissioners that would like to speak in regard to say that. before i go to the commissioners, is it okay if staff responds to the concerns that came up? one of the questions is what the tolling would be funding and what we have seen in the past. it is true in new neighborhood plans developers pay for front load infrastructure like the roads and the sewage and that type of infrastructure. what makes this unique is that we want to build out a ferry system for the residents as well. if we could talk about what the purpose of the toll funds is, who will add more it and how -- administrator it and how they will be invested, that would be great. >> that snapshots was the
purpose of the toll was to fund the ferry service and ac transit and shuttle. the ac transit is buses themselves there is a exhibit w the developer where the developer is required to purchase or provide funds to purchase the ac transit buses. the ferry service itself, their contribution is $30 million to the infrastructure and water and building the ferry on the island. when it comes to shuttle refresh my memory. the developer makes the initial of the shuttle's themselves. everything we are talking about is the operations and maintenance for all of that in that regard. then the screen also talks about affordability program we discussed and the costs related to that and overall operation and maintenance of the toll
system and the cameras and staff costs associated with that. >> if i all reading the slide correctly, how much of the revenue is coming from the actual developer? in the green here? >> right. the ticd subsidy is assumed, frankly, to be the development agreement requires $4 million per year. our thought process was the we could front load that, that would help the program overall. we have to negotiate that with tida and the development team. >> so everyone understands the green on the slide shows how much the developer is contributing to the transit program. nobody knows what ticd is. >> the blue is what revenue we expect, the toll to bring in for the new transportation services. >> right. >> the red is the fare.
>> there is the ferry and ac transit revenue also with minor parking revenue, too. >> what distinguishes this is none of this covers additional muni service to the island. the city will fund that. >> exactly us commissioner. the other question is when the first vertical or building goes up is when the tolling begins. the first building is 100% affordable housing. is that the development at which point the tolling would begin? >> let me doublecheck with bob beck. we are targeting later part of 2021. i would want to check with bob when the first affordable housing units are available. >> it shouldn't begin with first affordable housing project but with the market rate development. >> the first market rate development which will include
14 affordable units is slated to come on line late 2021 as eric described. the first 100% affordable building will be completed in 2022. >> that will be after the first market rate development? >> yes. >> also, members of the public brought up on you much advance notice they got for the outreach notice. it was acknowledged the timma agency did outreach on the island. there is contention about the advance notice they got. can you talk about the timeline? >> yes, a bit every -- refresher from the meetings. we heard you loud and clear in making sure we get advance notice out in that regard. >> i think based on the public comment we are going to have to do more outreach with more advance notice.
i think for the residents and small business owners here today, what i would suggest we talk about how we can make this program work for existing small businesses and residents. there will be some tolling program but how can we make it work? what are the options? increase credit? permanently grandfather in current residents? we need revenue to pay for the ferry and a c-tran it is. this was approved in 2011. it is part of the entire development as a whole. over the next couple months residents can think how this program could work for you. i did hear a lot of comments. they are good. what about home care workers to visit, family members that need services? it is all good feedback for us to hear. we have to address it. i just want to make sure
residents are thinking along the lines of not just opposing it for opposing it but coming up with ideas to make it work for all of us. in the long-term we will discover new revenue streams. that is not likely. we do have to really consider all of the feedback we got today, but moving to the goal of having a tolling program come into place. at this time we have commissioners to speak. first commissioner ronen, chen n commissioner fewer. >> if we could go back to the toll portion of revenue have you parsed that between current residents and businesses and the projected new residents and businesses? >> for the first 500 units, the
slide showing right now at that time, in essence i it includesea stipend as a cost. we are assuming that frankly there is the 600 some odd units there today, that they are still there in three years. we have an additional 500 units, about 1100 models. the travel command model calculates trips per household that is in essence. in that regard you are probably close to about 50/50 split, 6040 split. new versus old. every year. right now the modeling and work with the development team in terms of the units sold is in the 500 plus units per year. you get to the five year mark 2500 units. that right now is the anticipated growth on the
island. then projected from there to increase in the latter years. as we move forward we will work with the developing team and tida to better understand the marketing units sold. >> did you consider a model that would permanently grandfather the current residents in and where the funding gap would lie if it was a permanent grandfather? >> we have done some preliminary work on that. we would have to refine that. we talked about options past the five year stipend period. we haven't had the time to do that right now. we will continue to do that. >> i thought the testimony was incredibly compelling and made a lot of sense. i would love to see what those numbers are, and, you know, make
sure we exhaust other funding options before we make a decision on this. i really appreciate and support chair kim's willingness to continue this item and continue to study and do that outreach. i am feeling uncomfortable at this point. >> commissioner fewer. >> i appreciate you suggested we continue this item. the idea of a toll doesn't actually it is well with me, esespecially with the current residents. it is not just about giving them two passes each day round trip passes. it is really about -- because my son had a friend on treasure island. i would drive him to her house and back and forth.
they don't live in isolation. friends and family members come to see you, caregivers come on a daily basis. these are people that would have to pay the toll, not just the families. i don't know if he considered that. these families that live on the island there is a certain geographical isolation. iit is a hall to get there. it is an extra trip to get there. my son had the friend and i would drive him all the time to the island. i think the idea the island is isolated geographically now we are proposing a toll to isolate them more from family and friends and loved ones. not to mention the arguments the small businesses gave, i think this is you just inherently not
right. (applause). >> you you it is true there is nothing at the island. there is nothing there. you have to go into the city or oakland there. is nothing at the island. to say, we will give them a stipend for five years. five years goes so quickly. when you have a child in kindergarten and you know you will be on and off the island until they are in high school, that five years is nothing. it goes by so quickly. i just want to say the proposal to have a ferry terminal, ac transit. how convenient is that for parents taking their kids in and out? ac transit may be good for development and people working at the sales force center and in
the financial district. it is not practical for regular families. it is to work and back, but when you talk about livelihood and people's lives it is not just to the transit center and back where the ferry goes. the transportation has to reach all corners of san francisco to be robust. living in the west side i know that is not true. i just am really glad we are going to take a little pause on this. regardless, i mean i think that we are going to have development there, which i also am questionable to me personally i am afraid of sea level rise and only one entrance in and out of treasure island and the fact of ththeoofthe slickwi fiction.
i am a worrier. i thank commissioner kim. i want to rebut the public comment that commissioner kim does not care about the community. that is absolutely not true. when i was on the school board i can't tell you how many calls i got from commissioner kim about the families and the bus routes from treasure island to the schools in san francisco. she was repeatedly e-mailing me, calling me, advocating for the families for transportation to our public schools in san francisco. that is simply not true that commissioner kim does not care. she cares deeply. i just want to say thank you, commissioner kim, for asking that this be postponed. >> that is only partially true. then commissioner fewery ponded
to make sure we got the buses. thank you for always responding to my calls. commissioner mandelman. >> i think it is good we are going to give staff more time to think about this and work on this. i do have concern as we think about congestion pricing more broadly. at the last meeting or two meetings back, we directed staff to move forward on thinking about congestion pricing within the seven by seven square miles in san francisco. you know, if we are going to do this the san francisco way we need to think of ways to address the equity concerns around the congestion pricing and tolling because i don't think there is the appetite on this board to
impact low-income people. we want to protect the low-income people from the impacts of this stuff. on the other hand the tools for reducing traffic congestion are so limited by the state i am leery on giving up on this as a potential strategy. i hope we can move forward and think about equity and how to take care of low income folks on treasure island and any as where we think about congestion pricing. i hope we don't give up on the idea of congestion pricing at all. >> thank you. i don't see any other commissioner on the roster to speak. a couple things. my comments are similar. i am a strong supporter of overall congestion management. this plan is only focused on one neighborhood. we don't ask any other
neighborhood to pay a toll to improve transportation services to their neighborhood. if it is a toll, it should be on everyone. while we should address equity for our low and middle class residents, there is currently inequity. many of the low income communities live in the neighborhoods around freeways and have to breathe the air of the cars in and around and across the neighborhoods. the cost of the congestion pricing or air they breathe, there is an equity in which communities bear the brunt of bad air. some are in san francisco. one you have the most effective tools is to ask people to pay for it and invest in better public transportation for everyone to get people out of the codes and into other
transportation if it is muni or bikes or the ferry. i am a huge supporter of the ferry. it is difficult to fund without did you tolls. there is going to need to be a longer and better conversation with residents to make a program like this work. i would like to see a grandfathering issue. when you visit treasure island those not in below market rate units are working class. it is isolated and there is a lot of development slated to come over time, although it hasn't happened in my eight years in office so i think there is a little skipticism on my part how quakily this will happen. the residents are without the
amenities they need without a grocery store, after school program, school, things that will come with the new residential development as well. we need to provide the best transportation services to the island. if we have a program like this. i want to see a time wher where tolling doesn't occur. people need options. it should be in hours without congestion on the bridge. it is clear from members of the public and commissioners we have to continue this vote to allow more time for outreach to happen. supervisor elect will be coming in and this will happen over his tenure and i think it makes sense for him to be helping accountable to a policy he is voting on versus one that i have voted on. i will take a motion to continue
this item to the call of the chair. supervisor brown made that motion. supervisor yea yee has seconded. i take it without objection. cheese call item 6 and 7. >> item 6 new information and item 7 public comment. >> any new items. >> public comment on number 6 and general public comment as well. no public comment we are closing public comment. mr. clerk any other items before the committee. >> item 8 adjournment. >> the meeting is adjourned.
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environmental proclivities and goals around climate change and it's so easy that it's hard to not want to do it, and it doesn't really add anything to the bil adjourned. >> shop & dine in the 49 promotes local businesses and challenges residents to do their shop & dine in the 49 with within the 49 square miles of san francisco by supporting local services within the neighborhood we help san francisco remain unique successful and vibrant so where will you shop & dine in the 49 my name is jim woods i'm the founder of woods beer company and the proprietor of woods copy k open 2 henry adams what makes us unique is that we're reintegrated brooeg the beer and serving that cross the table people are sitting next to the
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>> this is one place you can always count on to give you what you had before and remind you of what your san francisco history used to be. >> we hear that all the time, people bring their kids here and their grandparents brought them here and down the line. >> even though people move away, whenever they come back to the city, they make it here. and they tell us that. >> you're going to get something made fresh, made by hand and made with quality products and something that's very, very good. ♪ >> the legacy bars and restaurants was something that was begun by san francisco simply to recognize and draw attention to the establishments. it really provides for san francisco's unique character. ♪
>> and that morphed into a request that we work with the city to develop a legacy business registration. >> i'm michael cirocco and the owner of an area bakery. ♪ the bakery started in 191. my grandfather came over from italy and opened it up then. it is a small operation. it's not big. so everything is kind of quality that way. so i see every piece and cut every piece that comes in and out of that oven. >> i'm leslie cirocco-mitchell, a fourth generation baker here with my family. ♪ so we get up pretty early in the morning. i usually start baking around 5:00. and then you just start doing
rounds of dough. loaves. >> my mom and sister basically handle the front and then i have my nephew james helps and then my two daughters and my wife come in and we actually do the baking. after that, my mom and my sister stay and sell the product, retail it. ♪ you know, i don't really think about it. but then when i -- sometimes when i go places and i look and see places put up, oh this is our 50th anniversary and everything and we've been over 100 and that is when it kind of hits me. you know, that geez, we've been here a long time. [applause] ♪ >> a lot of people might ask why our legacy business is important. we all have our own stories to tell about our ancestry. our lineage
and i'll use one example of tommy's joint. tommy's joint is a place that my husband went to as a child and he's a fourth generation san franciscan. it's a place we can still go to today with our children or grandchildren and share the stories of what was san francisco like back in the 1950s. >> i'm the general manager at tommy's joint. people mostly recognize tommy's joint for its murals on the outside of the building. very bright blue. you drive down and see what it is. they know the building. tommy's is a san francisco hoffa, which is a german-style presenting food. we have five different carved meats and we carve it by hand at the station. you prefer it to be carved whether you like your brisket
fatty or want it lean. you want your pastrami to be very lean. you can say i want that piece of corn beef and want it cut, you know, very thick and i want it with some sauerkraut. tell the guys how you want to prepare it and they will do it right in front of you. san francisco's a place that's changing restaurants, except for tommy's joint. tommy's joint has been the same since it opened and that is important. san francisco in general that we don't lose a grip of what san francisco's came from. tommy's is a place that you'll always recognize whenever you lock in the door. you'll see the same staff, the same bartender and have the same meal and that is great. that's important.
♪ >> the service that san francisco heritage offers to the legacy businesses is to help them with that application process, to make sure that they really recognize about them what it is that makes them so special here in san francisco. ♪ so we'll help them with that application process if, in fact, the board of supervisors does recognize them as a legacy business, then that does entitle them to certain financial benefits from the city of san francisco. but i say really, more importantly, it really brings them public recognition that this is a business in san francisco that has history and that is unique to san francisco.
>> it started in june of 1953. ♪ and we make everything from scratch. everything. we started a you -- we started a off with 12 flavors and mango fruits from the philippines and then started trying them one by one and the family had a whole new clientele. the business really boomed after that. >> i think that the flavors we make reflect the diversity of san francisco. we were really surprised about the legacy project but we were thrilled to be a part of it. businesses come and go in the city. pretty tough for businesss to stay here because it is so expensive and there's so much competition.
so for us who have been here all these years and still be popular and to be recognized by the city has been really a huge honor. >> we got a phone call from a woman who was 91 and she wanted to know if the mitchells still owned it and she was so happy that we were still involved, still the owners. she was our customer in 1953. and she still comes in. but she was just making sure that we were still around and it just makes us feel, you know, very proud that we're carrying on our father's legacy. and that we mean so much to so many people. ♪ >> it provides a perspective. and i think if you only looked at it in the here and now, you're missing the context. for me, legacy businesses,
legacy bars and restaurants are really about setting the context for how we come to be where we are today. >> i just think it's part of san francisco. people like to see familiar stuff. at least i know i do. >> in the 1950s, you could see a picture of tommy's joint and looks exactly the same. we haven't change add thing. >> i remember one lady saying, you know, i've been eating this ice cream since before i was born. and i thought, wow! we have, too. ♪ >> this neighborhood was lived for approximately 22 years. >> yeah, like 21 years. >> 21 years in this neighborhood. >> in the same house. >> we moved into this neighborhood six months after we got married, actually. just about our whole entire married life has been here in
excel. >> the owner came to the house and we wanted to sell the house and we were like, what? we were scared at first. what are we going to do? where are we going to move into? the kids' school? our jobs? >> my name is maria. i'm a preschool teacher for the san francisco unified school district. >> my name is ronnie and i work in san francisco and i'm a driver from a local electrical company. >> we went through meta first and meta helped us to apply and be ready to get the down payment assistant loan program. that's the program that we used to secure the purchase of our home. it took us a year to get our credit ready to get ready to
apply for the loan. >> the whole year we had to wait and wait through the process and then when we got the notice, it's like, we were like thinking that. >> when we found out that we were settling down and we were going to get approved and we were going to go forward, it was just a really -- we felt like we could breathe. we have four kids and so to find a place even just to rent for a family of six. and two dogs. >> we were going to actually pay more for rent and to own a house. >> it feels good now to have to move. it feels for our children to stay in the neighborhood that they have grown in. they grew up here and they were born here. they know this neighborhood. they don't know anything outside san francisco. >> we really have it. >> we'd love to say thank you to the mayor's office. they opened a door that we
thought was not possible to be opened for us. they allowed us to continue to live here. we're raising our family in san francisco and just to be able to continue to be here is the great lesson.. >> my name is naomi kelly the single-story for the 775 i started with the city and county in 1996 working for the newly elected mayor willie brown, jr. not only the chief of staff a woman but many policy advisors
that were advising him everyday their supportive and nourished and sponsored united states and excited about the future. >> my name is is jack listen and the executive director of a phil randolph institution our goal to have two pathways to sustaining a family here in san francisco and your union jobs are stroen to do that i have this huge way to work with the community members and i think i found my calling i started in 1996 working for willie brown, jr. i worked in he's mayor's office of housing in the western edition and left 3 years went to law school of san francisco state university and mayor brown asked me to be the director of the taxicab
commission and through the process i very much card by the contracting process and asked me townhouse the city purchaser and worked with me and i became the deputy administrator and . >> having trouble struggling to make ends meet folks will not understand what importance of voting is so we decided to develop our workforce development services after a couple of years offering pathways to sustainable jobs. >> (clapping.) >> we've gotten to a place to have the folks come back and have the discussion even if participation and makes sense we do public services but we also really build strong communities when i started this job my sons were 2 and 5 now 9 and 6 i think so the need to be able to take a call from the principal of
school i think that brings a whole new appreciation to being understanding of the work life balance. >> (clapping.) >> i have a very good team around me we're leader in the country when it comes to paid and retail and furiously the affordable-care act passed by 3079 we were did leaders for the healthcare and we're in support of of the women and support. >> in my industry i feel that is male dominated a huge struggle to get my foot in the door and i feel as though that definitely needs to change this year needs to be more opportunities for i don't know women to do what tell me dream i feel that is important for us to create a in fact, network of support to young people young
women can further their dreams and most interested in making sure they have the full and whatever they need to make that achieveable. >> education is important i releases it at my time of san mateo high ii come back to the university of san francisco law school and the fact i passed the bar will open up many more doors because i feel a curve ball or an where you can in the way can't get down why is this in my way we have to figure out a solution how to move forward we can't let adversity throw in the
i'm the executive director of your san francisco rec and parks department, and i want to welcome you to the 89th, let me repeat that, 89th annual tree lighting right here at mclaren lodge. so let's start with a big round of applause for the young teen people musical company, and its director, on their recent first place win at san francisco's youth arts summit. they are an amazing, amazing organization, and i'm particularly grateful for the hanukkah song. so i'm so honored to be joined tonight by our amazing mayor, london breed. [applause] >> and our rec and park commission president, mark buell. [applause] >> and so i want to start by acknowledging all of the special people who are here with us tonight. these are folks that make this
event happen that makes your parks the best park system in the united states, so they deserve some acknowledgement. let me start with senator -- state senator scott wiener, who's here. state assembly man phil ting. city college -- they're on their way. if not, they should be behind me. city board of trusties, john rizzo, chanel. on their way are trent rohrer, and the department of environment deputy chief jennifer katz, and a very
special shoutout to a person who's come to every tree lighting since i've been general manager, but this is her last tree lighting at our fire chief, a big, big, big round of applause for our fire chief, joanne hayes-white. [applause] >> our amazing rec and park commission. i mentioned our president, mark buell. also here are commissioner cat anderson, gloria bonilla, tom anderson, eric mcdonald, and commissioner larry mazzola. i want to thank them. they -- the citizen members of the park recreation open space advisory committee. they help you make our park special. our president, stephen franz is here. i want to thank our amazing
partners who make this possible. supporting us today is kaiser permanently, illuminate, our conservatory of flowers. all right. let tease talk about the tree we're supposed to light. mayor, we've been liethsing tre -- lighting trees around the city, but this is our official industry. this is a cypress that's over 131 years old, and despite losing a limb or two over the years, it stands super tall and super strong, and tonight, it's supporting over 550 lights. let's give it up for uncle
john's tree. [applause] >> and then a few special people. i want to welcome the boys and girls for hamilton recreation center, who are here. let's give it up for hamilton rec. [applause] >> and none of this would be possibly without the hardest group of city employees. all my respect to our amazing department heads. madam mayor, your san francisco rec and parks department putting this on and they're amazing. i also want to give a big shout out to our tree toppers, all of our struck ral staff and deputy maintenance staff who make this possible. let's give it up for the rec and parks staff. [applause] >> we have the holiday train that is just over to my right that has been painted every year for decades and decades, and the last several decades, by our painting supervisor, joe
padilla. the theme of tonight's event is world peace. may tonight's tree lighting shine a bright light in all corners of the world and provide peace to those in need. and speaking of peace, leading the way and bringing peace to our amazing city, please give a warm welcome to our mayor, who's going to light tonight's tree, mayor london breed. [applause] >> the hon. london breed: thank you, phil ginsburg, and the folks at the rec and parks department for keeping our parks green and beautiful. thank you all so much for being here tonight. when i was a kid, i would get my toys from station five, the firefighters. thank you, chief hayes-white
and the firefighters spags tiev fire department. i used to go down to the emporium cat well. you remember the emporium cat well? tonight, as we light this tree, we are creating memories for the next generation of young people growing up in san francisco. it's something that i'm so excited about, and in fact, at city hall, in our front yard at civic center, we have an ice skating rink. we have incredible, beautiful playgrounds and activities and things for kids to do during the holiday season. this sunday, i hope you consider joining me in city hall. we'll have santa and face painters and hot chocolate and cookies, things that help create tomorrow's memories. so i want to thank all of you for being here tonight, and i want to ask for some assistance in lighting this tree. you guys want to help me out?
come on over. come on, help me out. all right. you guys excited? you want to count with me? going to hold the switch? all right. here we go. ten, nine, eight, seven, six, five, four, three, two, one. [cheers and applause] >> the hon. london breed: magic! thank you, ladies and gentlemen and happy holidays. [cheers and
>> this has been a dream in the making, especially for our general manager, for many, many years, to be able to allow residents of the tenderloin and western addition to be able to walk and skate at civic center plaza and experience a little slice of an east coast winter. >> it truly was a one-of-a-kind collaboration between willie b. productions and the city departments. he said i want to challenge you to come up with something bigger and more fun, and something in such a historic location right here, right in front of city hall. this is amazing. >> we starting off by leveling the entire plaza. it was about a two-week process
to get the area brought up to a dead level because the ice risk itself is not tolerant of any change in slope, because the water would build up at one end. then, we brought in these refrigeration panels that we can circulate a brine solution in to bring the solution down to colder than 32°, and then, start spraying water on it, which, for the last two days, nature has taken care of that for us. and then freeze it, and it becomes ice that you can skate it. >> as you can see, the ice is about an inch thick, and it'll get up to 1.5 inches thick. with that, we can control the ice. most people that do outdoor skating rinks make a big sand
box, and they lay these tubes in it, cover it with sand, and then, the ice gets to be about 6 inches thick or 8 inches thick. well, with that thick, you're not going to control the surface. it gets wet with the sun. that makes it unique with our 1.5 inch thick ice, with the panels. >> this year, we're bringing a unique feature to san francisco. it's a skate track that runs down through the trees. it's over 400 feet of track. this is sort of models after -- modelled after the city hall in austria. you can make a narrow skating path and get that experience. >> what we are doing is working with the san francisco unified school district to bring any kids who go to school in the tenderloin to skate here for free.
the operators have been wonderful in making that possible, and we have been -- we, the recreation and parks department, have been the people connecting schools to this ice rink. >> there has to be well over 100 people that have either been married or proposed to on the ice. in fact, they have this club that gets together once a year, and they go down to john's grill, and they celebrate and drink and eat and dine, sometimes before, sometimes after skating. they go to union square, and they relive those magical moments all once again. so who knows, with city hall being right here, we could see an increase in proposal and marriages on the ice. i don't know, but i've been on it. it's not just about you coming and getting on the ice, it's about you coming and skating successfully, skating safely, and creating those holiday