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for the first time in decades, the presidential primary in new york actually matters. three new yorkers in this race -- hillary clinton -- this is her adopted state -- bernie sanders -- he was born in brooklyn -- and donald trump, hoping to win his home state after that punishing double-digit loss in wisconsin to ted cruz. good morning, everyone. welcome to "upclose." i'm bill ritter. the new york primary now just nine days away -- so much at stake for both parties, really. a little later, we're gonna talk to our political analysts, doug schoen and hank sheinkopf. that's gonna be coming up in a few minutes, but we want to begin with the democratic race, clinton versus sanders. and joining us this morning, new york congressman hakeem jeffries -- this is from the 8th congressional district of new york, representing brooklyn and queens -- he is a clinton supporter -- and erika andiola. she is the national press secretary for hispanic and latino outreach and a strategist for senator sanders. both of you, welcome. we're taping on friday. you just heard the bites from each clinton and sanders kind of got nasty this week in a way
on friday, though, today on "the view," senator sanders finally said clinton is qualified. so, is that gonna end this sort of nastiness between the two of them this week, do you think? congressman? >> hopefully it will. i was a little bit surprised that senator sanders made the decision to actually challenge hillary clinton's credentials. i think that one thing we can all agree upon is that she's probably one of the most qualified americans ever to seek the presidency of the united states, whether that's her experience as an active first lady, former united states senator from new york for eight years, a well-accomplished, well-traveled secretary of state. she's clearly qualified, in my view, the best person positioned to take the mantle from president obama, and keep the country moving forward. >> is senator sanders qualified to become president? >> i certainly think he's qualified, and if he were to prevail, he's a much better choice than either ted cruz, donald trump, or anything that comes out of the republican convention in cleveland. but as between the two, which is the sort of issue in question
been convinced that secretary clinton is the best person positioned both to win in november and to build upon the legacy of barack obama. >> not surprising since you're supporting secretary clinton. erika, are you glad this is over? or is it over? is there more to come? >> no. i mean, i think, you know, bernie was definitely responding, you know, to before. and bernie has said since the beginning that he wants to make sure that we're focusing on the issues, and that's what he's been doing his entire campaign, you know, focusing on the issues -- what does the american people care about? -- and making sure that we are literally building a movement of people that are coming together and saying, "enough is enough. we have, you know, a system that is just not working for us. we have a system in which wall street is just basically governing, you know, our country instead of having the people governing our country." and bernie has been focusing on that the entire time. and, you know, he's gonna continue to do that, and we're gonna continue to make sure that, you know, the people in new york are actually talking about the issues that matter, you know, not just talking about
and, you know, that's just not gonna work. we're gonna be able to talk about what matters to the people. >> this last weekend in the daily news, a big story came out. he interviewed with the editorial board. he took a lot of flak for seemingly not being prepared. were you surprised at the reaction to all that? >> yeah, i mean, you know, there was a clarification also even by somebody who was in that meeting, and the fact was that even the question was not necessarily the best question, either. and so, you know, bernie has been -- you know, he's been fighting for this issue for many years. if you see some of his videos from, you know, years ago, he's still fighting the same fight. he's been fighting against the millionaire class, the 1% who's been -- you know, like he has been saying, has been basically funding political campaigns and continues to grow more and more its political influence over our government. and so, you know, bernie's been fighting against that, and he's
banks and those folks who are, you know, trying to basically take over -- or who have already taken over our government. >> you've been working for the campaign since november you said. >> mm-hmm. >> are you surprised this campaign has really taken off? he's won six out of the last seven primaries against mrs. clinton. >> i'm not surprised. i mean, i saw when bernie came into the campaign, and he said, "we're gonna be there until the end. we're gonna, you know, make sure that we are talking to the people." and we see that every time that he goes into every state, we have huge crowds. i mean, he just came to new york a couple of weeks ago to the bronx, and we actually had almost 20,000 people show up to this rally. and, you know, he does that in every state. and every time you have more and more people listening to what he has to say, you see that, you know, we start changing the numbers in the polls. and we ended up, you know, almost winning -- actually tying iowa, winning new hampshire. and, you know, right now we still have michigan where we had
and then the day of, we ended up winning the state. and so, you know, i think new york is one of those states where it's gonna be a battleground, too, but, you know, he's been proving that he can actually change the numbers and the polls and prove the pundits wrong. >> congressman, are you surprised at the strength and the momentum that the sanders campaign has had? and how does it worry you as a clinton supporter that, if she gets the nomination, she kind of goes to the convention bruised and battered a bit? >> well, i think that the campaign has actually made her stronger, and senator sanders' candidacy, from the standpoint of exciting millions of people across the country in ways that will ultimately inure to the benefit of the democratic party and hillary clinton, has been a good thing. as far as whether i'm concerned about who will prevail, i think former senator clinton is well-known here in new york for her service, her time in washington, both as secretary of state, as a partner with bill clinton, as someone who led the effort, for
health insurance program enacted into law, which was a great bridge between sort of medicare and medicaid in the '60s and the affordable care act, that she will ultimately prevail. new york is a very diverse state. and what we've seen throughout this process -- where, by the way, secretary clinton has already gotten more than nine million votes, more than any other candidate, democrat, republican, man, woman, socialist, whatever the case may be -- she's actually out performed anyone during this entire presidential cycle, but particularly in the diverse states. she's won texas. she's won florida. she's won north carolina. she's won ohio. she's won missouri. she's won illinois. i think she'll also win new york. >> the rap against senator sanders for so long was that minorities sort of "belonged" to the clintons, that that was her strong suit. and you're in charge of latino outreach. what's your perspective on that? >> i mean, i can tell you that the latino community is nobody's firewall, and we have heard that from a lot of our supporters. and the reality is that, yes,
florida. they focus on texas. they never pay attention to what happened in colorado. colorado we won by almost 20 points, and that state cannot be won if you don't have latino support. we ended up going into every county. we saw that every county that had the majority of the latino community that went out to vote, went for bernie sanders. and just yesterday, there was a poll that was released that we were literally 47-46 against hillary clinton at the national level with latinos. and so what's happening is that the more that our community hears from bernie, the more that they hear his message, the more they're gonna actually like him. him before. him. and so it's getting him introduced to our community. and it's not about who they know the most. it's about who they're gonna end up liking the most at the end. >> if you look at the numbers -- this was produced by abc news this week -- all the remaining delegates needed to win the nomination -- hillary clinton would need to take 35% of the
bernie sanders would need 73%. so, that's a very high hill for the senator to climb. the odds are against him and in favor of mrs. clinton. do you hope for a divided convention, like the republicans are clearly on their way to having? >> well, you know, barack obama -- >> not you. i'm sure you don't want a divided convention. are you hoping for that? >> the odds have been against us since the beginning, right? since the beginning, we had many pundits, many people even within the party that said, "bernie's not gonna get anywhere. he's gonna be done by this date." and then he would win more states, and, "no, he's gonna be done at this date." now it's really about making sure that we are doing the same thing that we went to do in iowa and new hampshire, that we have done in michigan, that we have done in the three states that we just won, which are actually pretty diverse, you know, despite the media saying that they're the most white states. we just won those states, and the reality is that we're gonna be able to do the same thing in new york, and we will work hard like we did in those states. >> congressman? >> well, here's the thing -- new york is a closed democratic primary.
bernie sanders has been able to do well in several states, usually if they are not diverse, like new hampshire, for instance, or utah or alaska or idaho, or in a state that may be diverse -- and he had a great victory in michigan, but it also was a state where it was an open primary. and so if you looked at the numbers between democrats, hillary clinton actually either won with democratic voters, or it was basically a 50-50 split in michigan. what put bernie sanders over the top was that it was an open primary and independents were able to vote in that primary and maybe even some republicans crossing over. who knows? that won't be the case in new york and in many of the forward. he has created a lot of excitement, but what i would say to people who are considering the choice between the two candidates, that the call for revolutionary change does seem attractive to a lot of folks, and i understand that because we've got a lot of problems that we've got to address.
job. we need to build upon that. but bernie sanders has been involved in electoral politics for a pretty long time. he was a mayor for 8 years, in the house of representatives for 16. he's in his 10th year as a united states senator. that's 34 years of public service. and for the life of me, i can't find the evidence of revolutionary change during those last 34 years. and so the notion that it will be brought about in the twilight of his career has been a little bit difficult for me to embrace, whereas hillary clinton has got a clear track record of accomplishments over 40-plus years. >> if i can quote the clich\ that many democrats feel, do you vote with your head or your heart? the head for hillary clinton, the heart for bernie sanders -- they may have done that. what do you think is gonna happen in the end? a quick prediction, 10 seconds apiece -- when we get to that convention in philadelphia in july, who's gonna be the nominee? >> well, i think hillary clinton is the nominee and hopefully we'll have a unified democratic convention and bernie sanders will be there, his supporters,
the goal of defeating donald trump or whoever comes out of the republican process. >> erika? >> well, obviously, i think it's gonna be bernie. i think we have created a coalition that has moved us forward. our supports, this movement -- it's not just a presidential campaign. it's a movement and it is exciting the young people and it is exciting our community. and i think we have a really -- you know, we're already here, and we're gonna get to the end. >> okay. congressman hakeem jeffries, erika andiola, thanks a lot for this interesting discussion. good luck to both of you. when we come back, we talk more politics with our analysts doug schoen and hank sheinkopf about about the democratic and the republican races when "upclose" continues. stay with us. i've been a turkey farmer my whole life...
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>> welcome back to "upclose." we've talked about the democrats. now let's talk republicans. what exactly is a brokered convention, an open convention? what happens if no republican presidential candidate gets the magic number of 1,237 delegates? joining us to discuss this and much more, political analyst and pollster doug schoen and political consultant hank sheinkopf. what is an open convention? what does it mean, and when's the last time we had one -- '52 or something? >> yeah, i think so. there was a contested convention in '76 when gerald ford beat ronald reagan. but i think the simple answer -- and i'm curious hank's view -- is that we really don't know what form or nature will be at the republican convention, which will be contested. and i suspect there will not be a clear nominee. >> it will not, hank, be, because of these phones and social media and everything else, this backroom, kind of smoke-filled-room deal, right? it would be public. >> first, no one smokes anymore. that's number one.
much, okay, and use the phones to talk too much to each other. so it's hard to make a deal. both parties are in very serious trouble. what is emblematic of the republicans is also emblematic of the democrats. you're seeing a brokered convention among the democrats right now. it's called these primaries where things go up and down all the time, and there will be one winner ultimately when you get there. trump will not be denied if he chooses to take the fight forward. brokered convention -- well, how are they gonna appease donald trump and the people who are following him? that's the real problem. >> because he's gonna be close. if he doesn't get the 1,237, he'll be close. >> let me summarize it very quickly. if he's within 100 delegates, i think he's got a fighting chance. if he's under 100 delegates or more than 100 delegates short, i think -- and again, curious hank's view -- that the republican elites will do everything they can to deny him the nomination and give it to ted cruz. i don't think it's practical to bring in anyone else, but you know what? this is just all supposition. >> good. >> we've had chaos at conventions that weren't
>> and look what happened in the streets -- chicago. >> ...mississippi freedom democrat party. i would not be surprised, putting on my political-scientist hat for a moment, to say that there will be violence or some kind of social unrest around both of these conventions. this is a very difficult environment where people don't believe necessarily the political system is satisfying what they need satisfied. >> so, you think it's gonna be either cruz or trump, not some knight riding in to save the day or night. >> i don't think so. i think the only way it would be the white knight -- or the knight, whoever -- is if we're on the third or fourth or fifth ballot and it's clear neither cruz nor trump can get the nomination. then and only then would it be an alternative, but you know what? again, we're in uncharted waters, bill. >> doug is probably correct, but again, we don't know what this means. we've had multiple ballots, but there have been party-elite candidates on either side of the question. here is case where the party elites don't like any of the options except for kasich, probably.
>> mr. trump was on a roll, and then it got even muddier in that republican campaign. putting up the pictures of cruz's wife probably started a downfall that he would like to take back. he said if he could do it again -- >> well, he said that. the other thing is it's clear all this emphasis on violence -- a campaign manager who's arrested, violence at his rallies -- >> has not helped him, either. >> i don't think it's helped him. i think people want to hear about the issues and the problems confront us, not about these ancillary issues. >> and he's got 70% unfavorable rating. that's just an enormous mountain to climb. >> it's enormous, but, you know, there's something else going on here that i think doug and his polling would tell you is true and that all of us who are practitioners know -- voters have an internal time clock, when elections are supposed to occur, and the second thing they have is an internal meter. when they get inside that voting booth and when they're at that machine, wherever it may look like, they make different decisions than what you think they're going to do if they feel situations have changed.
new york because this is the first time that new york has been in play, that candidates from both parties are wooing new yorkers, asking them to come to the ball and get in that booth and vote for them, first time since 1976. it was carter versus jackson -- not jesse, but "scoop" -- and ford versus reagan. >> you know, we always talk -- and i'm sure hank could tell us many stories, as i could -- about political gaffes. what was it? george mcgovern going to the lower east side and ordering corned beef with milk. but i think we had one of the big gaffes in modern political history -- was ted cruz going to the south bronx thinking that he could pick up support there, and in fact, obviously, he didn't do so well. that was contrasted with donald trump getting more than 10,000 people -- >> on long island. >> yes, which is where he should be and where cruz should have been, as well. >> cruz also eating matzo at a matzo place in brooklyn, and you had john kasich eating deli sandwiches, which i thought was kind of an interesting thing.
in play. >> thinking about how this really works, it's about delegates in a particular congressional district. so they're trying to pick up pieces here, there, and everywhere -- not a dumb strategy, but you know what? doug's right. >> quick prediction from each of you about who's gonna win the democratic and republican primaries in new york on august 19th. doug? >> secretary clinton, i think, will win the democratic primary, donald trump the republican primary. >> close in the democratic? >> i think a clear margin of victory for secretary clinton, and i think a big margin for donald trump. >> hank? >> i agree with both. guns are the issue. bernie is out of step with new yorkers on guns. his gun position will increase black turnout, african-american turnout, and women over 40. that's hillary's number. she's gonna win. >> okay. hank sheinkopf, doug schoen, thanks a lot, gentlemen. >> bill, thank you. >> we'll see you next time. >> you will. >> there's a few next times to come, i think. >> absolutely. >> coming up, it is the medical problem people don't like to talk about, but now the movement to bring mental-health issues out of the closet -- and it is
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or night, geico's emergency roadside service is there for you. >> welcome back to "upclose." if you are of a certain age -- and i am -- you remember when it was considered not kosher to talk about most diseases. so different today, right? we talk about all diseases, in part because we've improved the mortality of most of them, but there is one widespread medical condition that has remained very much in the closet. we're talking about mental illness, and mental illness is still shrouded in silence. all of mental health really is. here are the statistics -- 500,000 new yorkers suffer from depression. fewer than 40%, though, receive help. and $14 billion -- that's what
productivity. but more is now being done. that's the good news. joining us this morning, two people who are making big strides to make that happen -- kimberly williams of the mental health association of new york city, and sarah vander schaaf, a journalist who has written honestly about her own mental-health issues. and thank you both for joining us. sarah, let me talk to you 'cause you have the personal story here. you wrote this remarkable article a couple months ago in the washington post. obsessive-compulsive disorder nearly ruined her life. your life is not ruined, but it did really nearly ruin your life. >> it did. >> how? >> well, it's a great question because i think the other aspect of mental illness is that it sneaks up on you. and it is the only reality you know, so it's very hard to even identify it as a disease, especially when you're the person suffering. and i would say that, through genetics and environment, i was a perfect candidate for it, and then certainly circumstances and the sort of society we live in now, it got exacerbated to the point that, as a mother and a
something that was preventing me from being the best person i could be. >> but you weren't aware of what you had? or did you intuitively know something was wrong? >> i knew that it had been a process of limiting my potential, but i was one of those millions of people who could still function. i could still go through the motions of my life, but my relationships, my career, everything was starting to close in on me. and it was my husband -- and this is what i think is so special, is that through luck or resilience -- i don't know what you would call it, but i had this person in my life who could very groundedly say, "this is not the only way to live, and i am not going to enable it. and you need to get help." >> and your parents -- very smart people -- and they just thought you were kind of quirky, right? >> yeah. [ chuckles ] and, you know, that's the thing about most of us and most families, is you have your own version of normal. and it can work until it doesn't. and i think most parents operate from unlimited love, but that
go. >> how did it manifest itself for you? >> it manifested for me in a very painful way in my thoughts. and you could call it classic ocd, which is obsessive-compulsive disorder, and generalized anxiety. and for me, i started to fixate on my health and literally the clearest manifestation of it, which would be skin cancer. and so it was a perfect storm of checking and rechecking, and that meant going to dermatologists. it was like i was serially dating them because i think i went to three or four, three or four times a year. as soon as i finished with one, i'd make an appointment for another. and that is another classic trait -- that you get temporary relief from reassurance, but in fact that triggers the anxiety. >> and once your husband, really, pushed you into treatment and you got treatment... >> yeah. >> ...the skies opened up, right?
evangelical about talking about this -- because i had no idea that this is how a person could live, to wake up in the morning and not be overwhelmed with worry, to go through everyday experiences and not have catastrophic thinking about the worst-case scenario, and to be present in the moment and not tied up. but i will say -- and this is before. and i had been okay with just sort of making progress. i didn't know that you could make tremendous progress and actually change your life. >> kimberly, your organization -- this is like the poster child for all this, right? once she got treatment, once she sought help, it changed -- when she got good help. >> exactly. the mental health association of new york city is providing support to individuals like sarah and new yorkers and americans all across this country, providing life-changing, life-saving supports to individuals who are in emotional distress. we serve over one million
face-to-face, phone-based, and online supports. our hotlines, text, and chat supports are with people when, where, and when they need support 24/7, 365 days a year. we serve new yorkers all across the life-span, including adolescents who are struggling with emotional challenges, providing them with the educational and vocational supports so that they can succeed in their transition to adulthood, and providing supports to adults like sarah and older adults in helping them on their path to recovery. >> so, if someone's watching this right now and they have not gotten the kind of treatment that has saved sarah and her family, what do you suggest they do? >> i suggest they call 1-800-lifenet, which is run by the mental health association of new york city. >> 1-800-lifenet. >> exactly. it's available 24/7. caring, supportive professionals are on the other line to listen, provide support, and connect new yorkers to services that they need. >> all right, and your website, for any more information, is
mhaofnyc.org. i should say, you have a big gala coming up on tuesday, april 12th. my honor to be the emcee for that. what do you hope to achieve at that gala? >> well, we're so delighted that you're gonna be joining us at the gala. the theme this year is "the many faces of mental health," which drives home the fact that this issue impacts everybody at any point in their life. >> as i think sarah found out by this story in the washington post, when you -- the reaction to getting it published? we got about 15 seconds left. >> sure. it was huge. it was everything from a teenager in shanghai to my classmates from college who had been suffering silently all these years. and this was an entr\e to a conversation that really meant a lot to all of us. >> well, you are both bringing the issue out of the closet, and we thank you for being here this morning. and good luck at the gala. i can't wait to be there. and you'll be there, too. >> yeah. >> okay, good. thank you, sarah vander schaaf and kimberly williams. and that's gonna do it for this edition of "upclose." "tiempo" with joe torres is coming up next. if you happened to have missed any of today's program, no worry. you can catch it again at our website, abc7ny.